The inclusion of various types of "animal people" (primarily cat, wolf, and rabbit types) alongside the traditional elves and dwarfs is a staple of Japanese fantasy settings, and one of the most noticeable ways in which they tend to differ from Western ones.
How can this be done in a setting like Mystra, the Forgotten Realms, PoL or an other generic Western fantasy setting without devolving it into absolute faggotry?
>How can this be done in a setting like Mystra, the Forgotten Realms, PoL or an other generic Western fantasy setting without devolving it into absolute faggotry?
It can't. Or rather, it can, but it's never worth the effort and will always be turned into faggotry by furfags anyways.
Can't be done.
Make the Catfolk into nekomimi, Kitsune into fox-girls, and introduce a race of wolf-people.
Congrats:
Forcing random elements from other settings into already established settings is up near the very peak of faggotry.
So it cannot be done with devolving into absolute faggotry.
>>43852904
It's pretty shit
>>43853020
So dont ever deviate because otherwise it'll be magical realm?
>>43852904
>what are khajit
>what are lizardmen
>what are minotaurs
>what are fauns
>>43853157
Not qt monstergirls
>>43852904
If yer gonna add a race, you should have a role for them to play, a slot for them and a plan.
As long as you have that and dont focus on sexual stuff, I see no issue.
For example, I have a kobold race that fills the role of combined vietcong, black market traders and/or dragon cultists.
They have a slot, they often inhabit shallow cave systems or live alongside the dragons they worship.
As for a plan, they serve little purpose on a grand scale but as mooks of varying skill. They feud with the Gnolls constantly.
Boom, done.
>>43853171
Nigga fauns invented the qt monstergirl. They existed to have sex with.
>>43853157
>what are khajit
Cats with vaguely human features
>what are lizardmen
Lizards with vaguely human features
Catgirls are just human girls with some catlike features like ears, tails, maybe some fangs.
>>43853263
Do the animal girls from GATE count? They're stereotypical cargirls/bunnygirls in almost all ways (including a perfectly humanoid face), but they seem to be covered in fur. Where does that place them on the furry chart?
>>43853263
So basically
Kahjiit: Well thought-out race that fits into a setting
Lizardmen: Well thought out race that fits into a setting.
Catgirls: Retarded weeaboo fetish bait.
>>43853276: Retarded weeaboo fetish bait.
>>43852904
>what are Beastmen
Consistency matters in a setting, not forcing random elements in to make it 'unique' or 'special'.
You make me sick, OP
>>43853283
Yes, give me more weaboo shit catgirls and take the furry shit khajiit.
>>43853263
>khajiit
They're elves, actually. And come in about a dozen different forms, from catmen to basically full elf to housecats and giant tigers.
>lizardmen
Descended from alien trees from the previous universe.
>>43853190
Still not as qt as a catgril
>>43852904
>How can this be done in a setting like Mystra, the Forgotten Realms, PoL or an other generic Western fantasy setting without devolving it into absolute faggotry?
Play them as a race
>>43853360
Don't be hating on the Greeks just because they had different standards of cuteness.
BrownBuffLoliCatgirls
>>43853390
Greeks were literal faggot rapists
>>43853360
Debatable
>>43853305
From an aesthetics perspective I don't like them, from a gameplay and lore perspective I don't like them.
>>43853305
You forgot the literal catgirl khajiit
>>43853432
Argonians are pretty badass. Give the velociraptors a chance... or color them dark if you wana indulge in the guilty edgelord teenage fantasy of being a demon or something.
Khajiit just blow. They look like humans in dumb mascot costumes, like you'd see at Chuck E. Cheese or something.
>>43853452
Khajiit are just gypsy niggercats mutated by the moon while Argonians Viet Cong velociraptor robots made by giant alien trees from the future
>>43853432
>>43853452
>not like catbro druglords
I agree they need to look a bit weirder, though. I'd like to see them in their own dress and armour.
>>43853513
Khajiit are literally bro tier, elves forced by Azura to change shape with the moons. At least they're not Bosmer who are objectively just boring even with muh cannibal wild hunt shit.
>>43853445
>>43853452
>>43853513
>>43853517They're also a lot less qt than the webcomic would suggest
>>43853513
You just made Argonians sound even more badass. Not sure about the "robot" part though.
>>43853554
Katia is a miracle of the khajiit species.
>>43853190
>existed to have sex with
>hairy legs
>hairy butt
I don't think so
>>43853579
>You just made Argonians sound even more badass.
I know.
>Not sure about the "robot" part though.
They serve the hist above all else. They're just sufficiently complex meatdrones
>>43853263
>Cats with vaguely human features
Go play Daggerfall some time.
>>43853583
Again
>Greek faggots
They needed the hairy bumsex
>>43853600
The one on the left literally looks like the face was cropped on by someone bad at photoshop or good with MS paint.
>>43853611
No, that's just what they looked like in Daggerfall.
You can download it for free if you want to try and call bullshit.
http://www.elderscrolls.com/daggerfall/
>>43853635
Oh, I believe you. I just thought it was funny was all.
>>43853445
>>43853452
>>43853517
I'd rather Mithra and Miqo'te, those are catgirls. Female Khajiit are just girlcats. There's a difference.
>>43853656
>Female Khajiit are just girlcats.
While I also prefer Mithra, you're confused. There's like 13 variants of khajiit, one of which is a literal goddamn catgirl.
>>43852904
Humanlike catfolk are fine even in non - japanese settings. So, just don't make them cringey and be honest with your players, tell them you just like them aesthetically.
>>43853684
They're still part-elf, and thus pig-disgusting. Have you seen the elf faces in Skyrim? The entire race are walking corpses.
>>43853754
Where does the ear connect with the head on this guy? Does it grow out of the top of his skull?
>>43853759
>hating on elves
Fffffag
>>43853759
> Have you seen the elf faces in Skyrim? The entire race are walking corpses.
EVERYONE in latest TES games looks like a walking corpse.
>>43853804
Nah, you can make some female nords that look OK, Male Nords and Bretons are possible as well.
>>43853759
>not thinking Dunmer girls are hot
>not thinking Niranye is the hottest Altmer
Literally a faggot.
>>43853785
It's FF XIV fanart, the cat race there has weird ear placement, they're somewhere between the normal ear position and top of the skull.
>>43853684
Only in Daggerfall
>>43853754
I always liked this angle for the more human-like catfolk, giving them lion like features like a mane to give them a masculine and regal appearance. Its a 10/10 aesthetic, wish he was my king.
>>43853828
Just because it doesn't have a dick doesn't mean straight people have to like it.
>>43853833
>Only in Daggerfall
They still exist in the lore and in-game books, they're just not in the actual game.
You know, like all the cool stuff in TES
>>43853856
Just because you're an elf-hating faggot with no self-worth doesn't mean you need to be this butthurt.
>>43853833
Too bad that's rare. Usually authors go for "pretty boy" angle. Of varying severity.
>>43853833
You wish anybody was your king, you needy slut
>>43852904
>Mystra
Mystara has had lupins and catfolk since always.
Animal people are a staple of western fantasy too. Unfortunately, turning classic tropes into "hurr durr mujicul relm" is a staple of /tg/.
>>43853283
>well thought out
>TES
Come on now.
>catgirls are monstergirls
How to spot cancerous Kenkou Cross/Monster Musune-faggots.
>>43853513
Argonians have a grand total of one military achievements, which they got when they bushwhacked a severely weakened and chaotic region right outside their own borders. The Khajiit are frightening when they organize, just read Mixed Unit Tactics.
>>43853513
>giant alien trees from the future
>previous kalpa
>future
>>43854122
Argonians beat the shit out of the dunmer, senpai
>>43854086
u wot m8
>>43853859
I will always prefer my shitty weaboo catgirls over the Khajiit that appear in the games
>>43853889
What was the name of that tribe again?
>>43854135
That's right, it's the Altmer queen in TESO who's a sexbot from the future
>>43854122
Argonians were COLONIZING Oblivion, fool
>>43852904
>How can this be done in a setting like Mystra, the Forgotten Realms, PoL or an other generic Western fantasy setting without devolving it into absolute faggotry?
Easy, like you said:
>a staple of Japanese fantasy settings, and one of the most noticeable ways in which they tend to differ from Western ones.
Put them in the not!Asia of your setting.
>>43853157
>what are khajit
That's a very good question, with a fairly complicated answer.
To keep it short though, they're a race of catlike elves with a variety of forms depending on the phases of nirn's two moons at the time of their birth.
>>43854184
>I will always prefer my shitty weaboo catgirls over the Khajiit that appear in the games
Same. I want to play a Ctarl-Ctarl one day. Just one.
>>43854152
They beat the shit out of House Dres, House Hlaalu, and House Indoril, aka a bunch of complacent slavers who's rarely had to fight anything, a bunch of merchants weakened after falling out of favour after TES3 and the Oblivion Crisis and whose soldiers were mostly mercenaries paid to guard their wealth, and an irrelevant House that really only existed as a matter of tradition. The Argonians then didn't attempt to hold the land they'd conquered, save for some Dres marshland, and the never fought Telvanni or Redoran either.
>>43854190
And let's not forget our favourite elf-hating gaybot furfag.
>>43854201
Source on that?
>>43854190
She's a malfunctioning automated mining robot/spaceship from the future, actually.
You've also got the Skynet T-P3L1N4L.
>>43854278
>automated mining robot/spaceship
I know she was used for mining, but I thought she was a pleasure droid too.
>>43854292
Eh, it's definitely possible. Sounds like the kind of multiple functionality TES background factions would approve of.
>>43854275
>let's not forget
no, i'm fine with forgetting him.
>>43854211
Except Japanese fantasy settings actually tend to be modeled after the Japanese' often-hilarious idea of how a Western fantasy setting should look like. Which includes catgirls, for some reason. You're actually highly unlikely to see catgirls in a Japanese made setting based on ancient Japan since they do care about mythological accuracy when it's their mythology being butchered.
>>43854190
>>43854278
Source on this shit?
>>43852904
In my 5E game about 5% of humans are born with some minor animal characteristics like tails, scales, gills, and the like. It's an emergent phenomena, that is two humans with beast-like traits are no more or less likely to have children with animal qualities. Most people believe that the cause of this phenomenon is a curse laid upon humanity by a dead God of nature, not much more is known about it.
They work like variant humans except instead of a feat they get a minor monstrous ability, like being able to breathe underwater or having a climb speed. They're considered humans for all intents and purposes.
By adapting humanity instead of creating a whole new race or culture I disturb the setting as little as possible, and by making the percentage very small I can sprinkle cursed humans into the campaign when it suits me.
>>43854484
>Japanese put catgirls in their butchered misunderstanding of western fantasy section
>Westerners put catgirls in their butchered misunderstanding of Japanese fantasy setting
Makes sense enough to me.
>>43854484
>since they do care about mythological accuracy when it's their mythology being butchered.
Right, and it's not like there's catgirls in a Japanese mythology or anything.
Oh wait, Nekomata exist.
>>43854484
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakeneko
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nekomata
Are you entirely sure about that?
>>43852904
>without devolving it into absolute faggotry?
The setting is about "animal people" having to deal with Not-Christian Crusaders arriving at the shore of Not-America.
Basically make it about hate, prejudice and zealotry.
>>43854642
>make it grim n edgy!
He said to make it not gay
>>43854652
>Everything I dont like is edgy
ok
>>43854677
>hurr genocide! HFY!
>not edgy faggotry
Sure okay
>>43854642
If you don't have literal jaguar and eagle warriors, you are doing it wrong.
>>43854652
>>43854694
Always got to have at least one mongoloid like this.
Go back to /v/ where STOP LIKING WHAT I DONT LIKE is an acceptable opinion, autismo.
>>43854694
Anon, calm down. Nobody said about genocide.
>>43854642
I actually made a conflict like that. "Magically advanced race versus tough and technologically inclined one" is the oldest shit in the book, but it works so well...
>>43854698
Thats what I was thinking of, too.
>>43854731
>Euros arriving in America fuelled by zealotry, hate, and prejudice
>Leading to anything but genocide
>>43854595
>>43854589
>Nekomata
>Bakeneko
Neither of these things is close to how the Japanese depict their catgirls in anime.
>>43854731
>I actually made a conflict like that. "Magically advanced race versus tough and technologically inclined one" is the oldest shit in the book, but it works so well...
And its fine. I don't know why people always try to reinvent the wheel when it comes to settings when you can use familiar clichés and just give them your own touch.
>>43854652
>>43854694
>>43854765
Have you actually tried to contribute to the discussion or are you too busy being an autistic bitch?
Victoriana actually has animal people as a core race (not catgirl types, just animal people - fully animal heads, covered in fur and all). Like all the other core races (ogres, elves, dwarfs, gnomes, etc.) they are fully capable of interbreeding, which, sensibly enough, leads the Charles Darwin of that world to make the scandalous proposition that all sentients are in-fact members of the same species.
They also exist as a core species in OGL Steampunk (what's it with steampunk settings and animal people?), but there they're specifically stated to be artificially created.
>>43854802
That rather depends on the anime.
This one is particularly bloodthirsty and liable to go completely nuts and eat humans.
>>43854858
I feel if I were to play any sort of tabletop game with catfolks, I always imagine them as the typical anime catgirl. Sure I may have pleb, unrefined tastes but they're so damn cute.
>>43854802
You clearly haven't seen Bakemonogatari
>>43854852
What's there to contribute to HURF DURF DOOS VOLT HURRMANUTY FUGG YESH
>>43854642
Sounds super faggoty. And not the good kind of faggoty.
>>43854731
Yes, Goblins antagonist style HFY crusaders filled with hatred and zealotry is going to be per definition retarded, faggoty, and lead to genocide. Either make them more level headed like the real settlers were, or make them less crusaders and more passive aggressive cuntish evangelical types whose "hatred" is super mild.
>>43854939
It's not HFY if the humans are the bad guys and not actually expected to win, anon.
>>43854950
It's like you don't want to see a coalition of abrahamic religion based humans attempt to deus vult and allahu ackbar the fuck out of the pre-colonial americas.
>>43854920
I've clearly seen more of it than you, since I know the creature that appears in it is a SAWARIneko, not a bakeneko.
>>43854974
>It's like you don't want to see a coalition of abrahamic religion based humans attempt to deus vult and allahu ackbar the fuck out of the pre-colonial americas.
Its not that I do or don't (my wants are irrelevant to the conversation). The main issues are #1 its a hugely overdone concept, even by the standards of overdone fantasy concepts, but that pales before the concern of #2, which is that I'm not sure how that's supposed to be anything but genocide?
>>43855028
>I'm not sure how that's supposed to be anything but genocide
Because a crusader-tech army is attempting a naval invasion of an americas analogue populated by beast people who possess magic?
>>43852904
It's been done multiple times without it turning into faggotry.
Players make things into shit more often than the mechanics do.
>>43854939
anon, stop.
It's only like that if you want it to be like that.
>>43855044
Okay, so its just attempted genocide. Got it.
>>43854996
It's a meddlecat, yeah. Point is Black Hanekawa ain't no cutesy catgril
>>43855060
>implying anyone who introduces the concept of "human crusaders vs demihuman natives" desires anything but genocide
>>43854184
Tiger tribe, although they were technically the same general species as Lyre and Lethe.
Make a race of Greco-Roman catdudes or else your players will think you're gay.
>>43855111
Well yes, attempted genocide of subhuman filth by a human villainous faction is pretty solid imo, provided the content creator isn't trying to use it as a hamfisted 'humans are evil protect the environment' message, or is a furry masturbating over humans getting wrecked by their perfect furfag master race.
More to the point though, this human villainous faction is a religious villainous faction, which can lend for more complex motivation on the part of their deity, and is based on the irl crusaders who were not exclusively religious people, and often had different motivations for fighting.
Furthermore, the actual objective of the crusades tended not to be 'exterminate all infidels' and was more along the lines of 'reclaim this land'. Perhaps these crusaders have a similar objective (say, to take and hold the position where their god first descended to this world) and the natives are an unexpected obstacle in the way of the unsupplied and numerically limited crusaders, one that they would try to negotiate with rather than destroy outright due to practicality.
Basically anon, what I'm saying is that there's a lot of things you can do with this, you're just refusing to or incapable of seeing them.
Cat and dog people could be a different interpretation of razorclaw and longtooth shifters. Rabbits could be a homebrew decendent of weretabbits. At least, that's how I would use it.
>>43854852
>He thinks that was all one person
Your idea was bad.
>>43855166
Meddlecat? That's how they translated sawarineko?
>>43854939
>>43854950
>>43855028
>>43855111
>>43855178
Wouldn't it be more akin to "hey, play these Jaguar Warriors, these Eagle Knights, and these Saurian Shamans and fight these spoooooky non-bestial armored warriors from across the sea", only for early on the players to realize that going to war with them isn't the best answer? Wouldn't it then turn into an intrigue/political game of understanding what these new people want, figuring out their culture, and joining up with them to stop an even greater evil, like fuck I dunno an evil meteor plummeting towards the earth.
I'm just saying, it's not always as bad as you think it might be. It could be interesting if it's done right.
>>43855258
Yep. Don't be a fag, bro, the point is there's plenty of Japanese cat spirits that can be catgirls if they so choose
>>43852904
Don't play with a shitty group and don't fetishize the race.
It's actually pretty easy.
>>43855412
Which is to say nothing of kitsunes
>>43855438
Or Tanuki, Tengu, Oni or just about any other youkai you would care to mention.
>>43855466
None of those are literal foxy waifus, though.
>>43855547
No, Oni tend to be pretty horny though, and Tengu have their fair share of hot birds.
>>43855216
>which can lend for more complex motivation on the part of their deity,
Wh-what? In this case, its used entirely as a vehicle to *reduce* the complexity of the designated bad guys and to make it even more ham fisted and good vs evil.
> and was more along the lines of 'reclaim this land'.
Hate, zealotry, and deus vulting/allah akbarring were both mentioned as motivations. So yes, genocide is the goal.
>what I'm saying is that there's a lot of things you can do with this
Well, things involving one dimensional caricature bad guys who are intended as a blend of two different, already heavily demonized and religious groups (crusaders and european settlers) but with an even more simplified motivation (deus vult and allahu ackbar) are pretty much what you can do with any other group of generic evildoers that cannot be reasoned with.
>>43855270
What is the best answer to an invasion of depthless caricatures if not war? Because there's pretty much just "war" and "leaving." You can *add* depth to them after the fact, but
>I'm just saying, it's not always as bad as you think it might be
>>43854974
>a coalition of abrahamic religion based humans attempt to deus vult and allahu ackbar the fuck out of the pre-colonial americas.
Its definitely that bad. Doing the ol' bait and switch to 40k style "actually, the intolerant genocidal madmen are objectively the good guys and you're evil and stupid for opposing them" shit isn't an improvement.
Granted, one could say cliches ARE an important part of fantasy and that generically evil religious badguys of evilness with no depth at all are an important part of the S&S genre.
>>43855622
>40k style "actually, the intolerant genocidal madmen are objectively the good guys and you're evil and stupid for opposing them"
That's not actually the case in 40K. The Imperium are directly responsible for 90% of the setting's problems. They're the ones that refuse to engage in any interaction with other species that is not genocide, they're the ones that gave Chaos its greatest champions and continue to hemorrhage followers by the billions to the Ruinous Powers, and they're probably the most successful force for human suffering in the setting.
Only a huge Imperiumfag would tell you otherwise.
You make the anthro races not fucking gay looking. Unless they're like.. weasels or dolphins or something actually gay.
>>43855622
>Wh-what? In this case, its used entirely as a vehicle to *reduce* the complexity of the designated bad guys and to make it even more ham fisted and good vs evil.
How exactly does this reduce the complexity of the villains? You have plenty of room for a variety of personalities in a crusading expeditionary force.
>Hate, zealotry, and deus vulting/allah akbarring were both mentioned as motivations. So yes, genocide is the goal.
>mentioned as motivations
>therefore the sole possible motivation
Fuck off.
>Well, things involving one dimensional caricature bad guys who are intended as a blend of two different, already heavily demonized and religious groups (crusaders and european settlers) but with an even more simplified motivation (deus vult and allahu ackbar) are pretty much what you can do with any other group of generic evildoers that cannot be reasoned with.
What exactly is your problem with having crusaders and european settlers as villains? Both are interesting groups of people, and I don't see why many of them would not be able to be reasoned with.
>depthless caricatures
There you go again, of course they're going to be depthless caricatures if you're going to flat out ignore every attempt to add depth to them.
>Its definitely that bad. Doing the ol' bait and switch to 40k style "actually, the intolerant genocidal madmen are objectively the good guys and you're evil and stupid for opposing them" shit isn't an improvement.
Would you care to point to where exactly that was suggested, because so far you've pretty much been putting words in my mouth or taking specific things I say and running with them to the point of discounting everything else I say.
>>43855728
Hear hear! We gotta get rid of all this gay catgirl furry nonsense.
Step one is you should give them animal heads. None of this neko neko catgirl faggotry.
Step two is that they shouldn't have human style tits. Mammals should have eight tits, and ones barely visible except when lactating.
Step three is that they should all have chiseled man-abs and chest muscles.
Step four is that they should only do it from behind.
Step five is they should generally have extremely large cocks or pseudopenes.
There, now you've gotten rid of the furry shit.
>>43855728
>>43855779
>chiseled man-abs
>extremely large cocks
>not gay
>>43855680
The Imperium has been shown time and time again to be perpetuating the slow, torturous decline of the galaxy, by being the only force big enough to keep the galaxy alive.
The reason 40k is always grim and always dark is because Chaos won all the way back when the Emperor was put on the Golden Throne.
Chaos, by its very nature is self destructive, but through the strength of the Emperor the Imperium continues to live and sometimes grow, giving more and more for Chaos to live off of.
When he dies and chaos envelopes the galaxy in a massive demon fueled genocide, it will last until there are not enough people left to sustain the emotional strength chaos requires, and thr galaxy will be dead.
>>43855818
I think that was the joke, anon.
>>43855779
Furry is okay when they have animal heads and not anime eyes.
>>43855818
There is nothing gay about anything he said.
>>43855832
>joke
Why has "joke" come to mean "deliberate fallaciousness that isn't funny"?
>>43855741
>How exactly does this reduce the complexity of the villains?
The goal was to make a pastiche of two already demonized groups (settlers and crusaders), combine them, and replace their prior motivation with zealous religious hatred.
>What exactly is your problem with having crusaders and european settlers as villains?
Nothing, and that's only distantly relevant to the topic.
>, of course they're going to be depthless caricatures if you're going to flat out ignore every attempt to add depth to them.
Okay. Since this conversation is "we should have them be deus vult allah akbar types motivated by zealous religious hatred" "Nah that sucks" "what do you have against deep, meaningfully motivated villains who are not motivated by deus vult allah akbar? you just don't like crusaders as villains!" I'm not sure we're going to get anywhere.
I will, however, 100% agree that if we drop the original premise and replace it with a new premise, the new premise can be saved.
>Would you care to point to where exactly that was suggested
>>43855270
>and joining up with them to stop an even greater evil, like fuck I dunno an evil meteor plummeting towards the earth.
Fire Warrior was an okay game, doesn't need to be another though.
>>43855858
Agreed, add that to the list.
Really, the problem with most furry art is that it doesn't go far enough.
>>43855899
If someones going to perform beastiality in a session, well then thats what they must do.
>>43855866
I'm purrfectly fine with gay catmen, more catgirls for me.
>>43855877
About when you lost your sense of humour.
>>43855885
>The goal was to make a pastiche of two already demonized groups
No, the goal was to make a game about human crusaders invading the animalperson americas, the first mention of settlers was iirc a comment decrying the idea.
>replace their prior motivation with zealous religious hatred
That one seems to be in your head, anon. Large groups of people do not tend to all share the same motivations.
>Okay. Since this conversation is "we should have them be deus vult allah akbar types motivated by zealous religious hatred" "Nah that sucks" "what do you have against deep, meaningfully motivated villains who are not motivated by deus vult allah akbar? you just don't like crusaders as villains!" I'm not sure we're going to get anywhere.
If that's what you think the conversation is about, then I agree that we're not going to get anywhere.
>and joining up with them to stop an even greater evil, like fuck I dunno an evil meteor plummeting towards the earth.
You will note that this statement does not say anything about the original enemies being good all along. Indeed it implies the opposite, as they team up to defeat an even greater evil, thus implying that the original villains are still considered evil.
>>43854900
Hot
>>43855961
Those are foxgirls though
>>43855961
>>43856006
>desert fox
Clever.
>>43855991
No, I still have a sense of humor. Otherwise, the mental image of an obese black woman sobbing uncontrollably into a large bucket of kFC wouldn't bring a smile to my face. You fuckers, on the other hand....
>>43855991
>That one seems to be in your head, anon.
I'm taking it in chronological order. I am aware that after we called out the idea on how stupid it was, that the idea was radically changed to make it less stupid. I don't mind crusaders being used as antagonists, though them invading peaceful Avataroid communities motivated by zealous hatred isn't really crusaderlike, unless they got lost, I suppose.
>You will note that this statement does not say anything about the original enemies being good all along.
If they're trying to reclaim xyz site to prevent a worse evil (and it would actually work and said evil is in fact turbo evilness like the aforementioned Fifth Element evil meteor) and you're fighting to stop them, that does kind of make you the fuckup in the equation.
>>43856044
I didn't expect it to be very funny, but you gotta admit, about 99% of attempts to "fix xyz vaguely animal related person" tend to be "crank up the furry fetishism to 11," with cries of "its not furry if they're savage rapists with giant cocks that hose down their partners with piss afterwards" and so forth.
>>43856098
>I am aware that after we called out the idea on how stupid it was, that the idea was radically changed to make it less stupid.
Then why are you acting like it's still the same concept it was in >>43854642?
I mean fuck, my first contribution to this idea was >>43854974, and basically consisted of pointing out that the concept had nothing to do with HFY and trying to insert Turks into the equation as well.
>though them invading peaceful Avataroid communities motivated by zealous hatred isn't really crusaderlike
The crusaders were a very, very diverse group of people, I think there was one 'crusade' before the official first crusade that basically rampaged across germany killing jews with the end goal of sacking constantinople.
>If they're trying to reclaim xyz site to prevent a worse evil (and it would actually work and said evil is in fact turbo evilness like the aforementioned Fifth Element evil meteor) and you're fighting to stop them, that does kind of make you the fuckup in the equation.
I don't see the part where it said that they were already fighting to stop the greater evil or that the 'claim site' reason for war was in any way related to the teamup scenario.
>>43856124
>I didn't expect it to be very funny, but you gotta admit
I don't have to admit shit. It's still not funny.
>>43855830
The Imperium isn't holding things together. The Emperor is.
The Imperium is stopping itself from actually being an effective bulwark against Chaos. The stupidity and inefficiency and ignorance of it, coupled with the fact that is essentially exists now to keep the High Lords in power at everyone else's expense, means that it actively strengthens Chaos and prevents everyone else - including itself - from fighting back effectively.
The Imperium isn't objectively good in 40K in any way. The Imperium is hamstringing all attempts to actually make things better.
>>43856192
>I mean fuck, my first contribution to this idea was >>43854974,
To be fair, while >>43854642 was merely lazy /pol/ shit (not that there's anything wrong with lazy /pol/ shit), it didn't crystallize as irredeemable depthless retardation until >>43854974
Enough arguing
Post badass catpeople.non-furry preferred, but whatever floats your boat
>>43856269
Thank you for proving yourself to have no sense of reading comprehension, anon.
>>43856240
Suffice to say:
1. without the Imperium, the Emperor can't get his sacrifices of psykers.
2. without his sacrifices of psykers, the Emperor dies.
3. without the Emperor, everyone, even the people the Imperium genocides 24/7, dies.
4. the only way to keep from being genocided by the Imperium is to be human (doesn't always work), invisible to them, or to stress them out when they try to genocide you to the point that they decide its not worth it and back off.
5. but if the Imperium gets too stressed out it'll collapse, see #1.
So yeah, the Imperium is definitely objectively good. The game also goes into great detail that everything the Imperium does is justified and why, and generally most negative acts are three degrees of separation or less away from "so the galaxy doesn't end."
Most settings just have the good guys be 'subjectively' good, they don't usually have the setting outright lecture you all the time on why they are morally unassailable and if you disagree with them you're in favor of the galaxy blowing up.
>>43853004
But that's, like, dumb.
Like, jesus. I don't object to cat-people, wolf-people, or what have you, but can't they at least be done interestingly? "Regular human BUT LOOK SHE HAS ANIMAL EARS" is about as eye-glazingly pointless as you can get.
>>43856436
nah, it's fine.It's not how they look like, it's what you do.besides, they may have other traits, not just ears. And usually they do.
>>43856356
The Imperium is definitely not objectively good.
They're sustaining something that is assisting the galaxy. But the Imperium itself is preventing the galaxy from properly combating Chaos. Even in its inception, the Imperium was evil - there were better, more advanced human empires in the time of the Great Crusade that knew about Chaos and were combating it more effectively.
The Imperium is in a position of power and responsibility but is using that responsibility poorly. Just because they have their finger on the end of the world button and would push it accidentally if they died does not make them the good guys. It means they possess something important but are shitting up the responsibility of having it.
And there is actually nothing that tells us straight up ANYTHING the Imperium does is necessarily, whereas we have plenty of proof to the contrary.
If the Imperium dies, it takes the galaxy with it. But they're the reason the galaxy is shit in the first place, and they're actively making it worse. Basically, the Imperium needs to change into something else if anything were to ever improve in 40K, because as they are they strengthen Chaos massively and prevent all coherent attempts at combating it. The only aspect of the Imperium that has to stay is feeding Big E.
>>43856271
>this is a work of fiction, it does not have any connection to any real persons, organizations or events
Let's all take a moment to appreciate that only in Japan a Godzilla crashing the catgirl wedding party would warrant such disclaimer.
>>43856356
>>43856582
>>43856603
Isn't that from GATE, though?
>>43856615
>tumblrtale
Fuck off
>>43856356
This is some poor logic.
Let's say I'm in a submarine with a bunch of people. The hull is cracking and taking on water. Everyone is trying to fix it, but I don't want to fix it, and luckily I have a bomb attached to me that would burst the hull open if I died. Killing me will destroy the submarine sooner and down everyone, so I go around sabotaging all attempts to repair the hull, beating on people, and even torturing the people supposedly under my protection. I hoard all the food on the submarine and tell everyone else to get fucked, and they can't do anything about it because killing me will destroy everything. My actions perpetuate this state of affairs because it's cushy for me, meaning that eventually everyone will die anyway, but I get to be hot shit until that happens.
Am I good?
>>43856656
It's Marriage ring story.
>>43856676
>4chan's inner hipster strikes again
>>43852904
Don't put them in solely for fetish reasons, and cover them in layers upon layers of armor and weaponry. That's the fast track to making a good nonhuman race in any case.
>>43856790
Except undermeme is made by hipsters, for hipsters
>>43856767
Ah, I thought that was just a chapter name.
>buff brown catgirls
Picked the fuck up, then.
>>43856888
It's only on ch 15, the catgirl appeared only 2 chapters ago and it seems like they lost their translator.
In other words, it most likely would not go any further, in english, at least.enticing someone and then dropping reality bomb was my plan all alongreally sad tho ;_;
>>43856963
Meh, I can find other catgril media if I really need to.
>>43856603
That's a bit small for Godzilla
>>43852904
Don't invite fuckheads to your table, and you won't have to put up with them in your games.
>>43852904
>Mystara
Lupin (wolf and dog people), Rakasta (cat people), Hutaaka (jackal people with egyptian feel), Tortles (turtle), Minotaurs, Aranea (spider), several others I can't remember.
>Forgotten Realms
Kenkus, Dragonborn, Kobolds, Gnolls, Kuo Toa, Lizardfolk, Saurial (dinosaurs), Loxo (elephant), Wemic (centaur-like cat people), Minotaurs, Aranea, and so many more.
>PoL
Dragonborn, Gnolls, Lizardfolk, A fuckton I don't feel like looking for.
>Generic Western fantasy
Have included a fuckton of such things for a long as it has existed.
You're just an ignorant fucking moron who hasn't looked at the race/monster lists for the various settings. And they have been done without faggotry since their origins.
Some of these are of course not playable but quite a few are.
>>43858758
And I forgot my image. Based french wolf people who make excellent wine and cheeses.
>>43856436
No more boring than actual animals standing upright
>>43859392
No more boring than elves, dwarves, and halflings already are. In fact, they could just take the roles of the more martial elves, the less martial dwarves, and halflings.
>>43856192
> the end goal of sacking constantinople.
actually ,it was belgrade they sacked
>>43858775
Isn't cheese and wine deadly to canines?
![hawkmen[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/3xPaCJe.jpg "hawkmen[1].jpg")
>>43852904
>How can this be done in a...generic Western fantasy setting without devolving it into absolute faggotry?
The thing is that most furries in RPGs are not really races of their own just ''humans with cat ears that are cute and random''. Just like elfs and dwarfs are bad in some settings because they are reduced to ''tall beautiful humans'' or ''short blacksmith humans''. If you want to make anthropomorphic animals interesting they must differ more from humans, have their own culture and simply feel like a natural part of the setting; not just a sad attempt to shoehorn fetishes into everything. The easiest way would be to make them more like animals than humans.
>Pic related
>>43856676
You probably should kill yourself if you let people you dislike liking something scare you off of something good.
Then again I guess I'm surprised you haven't yet. Tumblr hipsters enjoy being alive, so I can only assume you hate being alive?
>>43853305
Explain to me why I can't play as a giant tiger, goddammit
>>43853792
you must be new to /tg/
>>43868172
Cause Bethesda doesn't want to give us anything nice.
>>43867448
Only if you make the hawkmen an entire race of Brian Blessed.
I keep animal folk out of all my settings simply because I can't find a use for them, but they're in my magical realm. Someday I would like to run a campaign in a world without human humans, where everyone is animal earred or elf.
>>43856603
isnt it a joke?
are you joking?
am I joking?
Is the idea of joke now a sentient entity, now joking with us?
>>43867584
That's the easiest way, yes, but on practice it turns into "humans with fur all around". The furriness doesn't matter at all, it's equally possible to have a race with interesting culture if they're just people with cat ears or your pic related.
>>43868226
Do it, faggot.
![Down_the_Rabbit_Hole[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/TzCl48T.png "Down_the_Rabbit_Hole[1].png")
>>43852904
Think about changing your source of inspiration anon. Western Fantasy has had Anthropomorphic animals for a long time. It doesn't have to be based off of anime unless you want it too. Personally, I barrow from both. I like adding in catgirls and elves with long horizontal ears.
![098f8306ac218aa951d4dade2e607b97[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/xEuxujV.gif "098f8306ac218aa951d4dade2e607b97[1].gif")
>>43868643
another example
>>43855187
But the Greco-Romans were super gay
>>43866981
they could just make it for export and not actually eat it themselves
>>43870235
That sounds odd. A culture wouldn't get famously good at making something they themselves never had or could ever have use for. Like, I know Israel exports pig, but they wouldn't ever become the world's number one exporters of pig. It doesn't pay off to them as a state.
>>43867448
The Flash Gordon movie was basically the faggiest shit ever televised which wasn't a musical.
>>43870323
they could just have a rep for making okay cheese and wine
>>43870345
Get off the internet Ming.
>>43870323
America is the biggest exporter of horse meat in the world, but doesn't it it domestically; most Americans have no idea.
For my custom setting, I'm considering making a race of beastfolk "monsters" who mostly exist for the PCs to hire as guides, porters, and other menial labor.
>>43870945
America doesn't have the same level of scarcity a medieval country would have. They can afford to produce a lot of shit they don't eat.
You do it by gaming with japanese players, not westerners
>>43867584
I'd rather play as the more weaboo catgirl, literal animal people do not interest me in the slightest.
>>43855779
>Step five is they should generally have extremely large cocks or pseudopenes.
Don't humans have the proportionally largest cocks among mammals? Wouldn't make sense for anthropomorphic animals to be superior in that sense.
>>43873882
I'm just talking about how we should change anthro races to keep away the gay furry shit, dude.
>>43871932
Why did it take this long for someone to finally say it?
>>43867584
>If you want to make anthropomorphic animals interesting they must differ more from humans,
Nope.
You can call neko ears a "fetish" but this sort of angry emotional reaction is more indicative of the much louder, more prevalent, and more intrusive fetish fandom, furries.
>>43852904
>or an other generic Western fantasy setting without devolving it into absolute faggotry?
Look at Overgrowth.
A) inspiration from old myths, if any
B) don't do it you faggot, animal-people are terrible and boring with few exceptions
>>43873942
Ive always wondered why us westerners are so sensitive when it comes to fur people, genderless people, etc. It has never triggered me in any way, I always thought that it was just cool fantasy stuff.
>>43855728
>>43855779
But elephants have human-like tits. Baggy tits, but they have two of them and they are roughly near where humans have them.
>>43854063
Oh, I forgot you can't say anything non-negative about anything on 4chan.
In the future I will remember to only talk about shitty things, shit on things other people like, and thus contribute to high quality board discussion.
>>43867584
Truth. In order for the inclusion of a nonhuman race to be meaningful in any way, they should differ enough from humans to justify being nonhuman in the first place. Including an animalperson race with the primary difference being "they're animals!" is pointless.
This is one of the reasons human only settings are looked highly upon by some types around here; if you can't distinguish societies based on race, you need some other significant factor at play, and thus you're forced to introduce detail into your work.
>>43852904
make romans wolfpeople, and dont just slap wolves onto romans make them actual wolfprople, start ver from the beginning and check what things would be different and then you make the wolverine-vikings and the indian elephant people, the idea is to make them commonplace and tought through, dont make them gimmicy welsh sheep longbowmen iberian faun soliders you have half a setting in the real life, check some mytology add animal stuff but backtrack and make sure that it feels sorta seemless
