ITT : we post everything related to cyberpunk.
be it pets, peoples, augmentations, weapons, vehicles etc...
no stupid shit like pic related please
Define 'cyberpunk'.
>>43823317
>>43823345
futuristic setting like blade runner, but with a bit more advanced technology (no XBOXHUEG interface) doesn't have to be all white and slick, pic related is fine too.
>>43823401
i'm a retard.
Define "stupid shit"
>>43823601
>>43823601
strapping a bunch of useless crap to a gun like pic related
>>43823624
>>43823601
>>43823317
In the future every gun will be a P90 derivative?
>>43823653
well of course, didn't you get the memo ?
>>43823653
This >>43823601 is clearly a derivative of that Magpul PDW that was debuted then never went anywhere a few years back.
>>43823679
>>43823317
What would be considered "post cyberpunk"?
>>43823317
Its like a P90, Fishgun, Heckle my Kooch 416 and is that a famas? All had some retarded child. Oh fuck, is that a fucking Spas 12 underbarrel breaching shotgun?
Good god, you don't need to be from /k/ to feel the pain and anguish that poor gun is screaming from.
>>43823713
I have no idea.
>>43823624
How about an entire shotgun to a sniper rifle?
>>43823776
>>43823653
Doctor Who has a bad case of this. There was a period when basically every human military between now and the year 22 billion uses blinged-out p90s.
It's a cool gun, but so distinctive that if you know guns at all, it stands out like a sore thumb.
>>43823782
>>43823776
>280 rounds of 12.7x108
>280 fucking rounds
>Pencil barrel on what can ONLY be the .50
>Gookhuge barrel on shotgun?
>Pants on head retarded muzzle break on .50 barrel?
>Effective range is 2 fucking miles
No retarded shit.
>>43823845
I believe he was posting an example of retarded shit.
>>43823863
>>43823713
I guess it would be post-apokalyptic but with more high-tec remanants
Or high sci-fi if the low class revolted and created a fair society
Or grimdark if everything became even worse
>>43823881
>>43823815
>>43823601
I like that weapon because it was clearly made for the left handed... and nobody does that...
>>43823992
Yeah, the guy's actually not a totally terrible Sci-Fi weapon designer.
>>43823580
why don't the bullets line up with the barrels?
>>43823964
>>43823914
I kinda want a game like fallout with cyberpunk aesthetics rather than retro-futuristic aesthetics, now.
>>43823672
I read that as meme-o
I've been here too long
>>43823914
Post cyberpunk isn't a world after cyberpunk, it's new cyberpunk in a world where a lot of the stuff in classic Cyberpunk media is actually just out of date.
>>43823881
This is great, it totally looks cheap and disposable, like something you might find in a glass cabinet with 'BREAK IN CASE OF TROUBLE' written on the front. Post more utility / tools please
>>43824026
>>43823345
>>43823401
Cyberpunk refers to a literary movement as much or more than an aesthetic. The original cyberpunk authors were oriented much more around a political message and a pattern of storytelling than a look.
Some things that fall into cyberpunk: America as third world: big urban dystopias filled with squatters and street urchins of various kinds on the ground level, and incredible technology and luxury for the few who live on the upper floors. Environmental destruction: so everything should be dark, dirty, and polluted.
Cyberware was a metaphor for exploitation of the masses. It's not that gibson and sterling and them had never heard of wireless, it's that drilling a cable jack into your skull and jamming a network cable into it was a metaphor for rape. The more invasive and dehumanizing, the better. Take a beautiful woman and chop off her legs, then give her piston-powered machine legs. Cyberpunk was written by people who greatly loved the naturalistic, anti-tech sentiments of the hippies ten years before. They wanted readers to be horrified by what technology was doing to people.
Their heroes were the yippies, left-wing criminal insurgents who hacked big corporate computers (especially the phone company). They tried to play upon fears in the 70s and 80s among blue collar workers that Japanese megacorps would out compete them and take over America. When cyberpunk was born (late 70's), America had just lost a war in vietnam, suffered through a major political scandal (watergate), and despite Jimmy Carter's best efforts the Soviets and Iranians were kicking our asses, Japan out-competing us, and our economy was in the shitter.
What they didn't expect was three things. Personal computers came out and a generation fell in love with them. The economy roared back to life. People found cyberpunk and new wave pretty fucking cool, especially the superpowers. Dehumanizing cyber implants never really scared people, because superpowers are cool.
>>43824065
>>43823741
if they stacked ammo like that in the gun or the right of the pic you could get multiple ammo types for more versatility...also good feature
>>43824005
well, I meant that it's a lefties only weapon or else the selector is directly under your palm and the brass ejects across your body...the sling-clip is on the wrong side for that configuration too...#LeftyProblems
>>43824122
>>43824073
>Dehumanizing cyber implants never really scared people,
That's because the fans of cyberpunk were never really human in the first place.
>>43824073
>They wanted readers to be horrified by what technology was doing to people.
They failed to deliver that message, then.
>America had just lost a war in Vietnam
No we didn't, m8; Vietnam was a military success by every measure, and it's not our fault that Charlie is a back-stabbing gook who went back on the treaty, and that the dems wouldn't allow support to SVietnam.
>What... cool.
Good, hippie shits and luddites don't deserve their message to be spread.
>>43824102
>>43824143
You say that as if it's a bad thing.
>2015
>thinking humanity is a state of body
>implying it isn't a state of mind
>>43824139
>>43824163
>>43824189
>>43824207
>>43824073
(Continued)
So that gets us to post-cyberpunk. It's the late 80's/early 90's. Cyberpunk was losing steam, partly a victim of its own success, partly because it was turning into a cliche, and partly because nobody really believed that a dystopia was around the corner anymore (and the Soviets, supposedly the superior system that would defeat free market democracies, was torn down by it's own outraged and horrified citizens).
Post cyberpunk means any of several things. But the best definition is that it's just mainstream science fiction with cyberpunk elements like an Internet, cybernetics, etc. After 1993, you couldn't really write a science fiction story without including something like the Internet in your futuristic world.
One movement you often hear described as post-cyberpunk is Transhumanist fiction (especially since one of its luminaries, Bruce Sterling, was also a major force in cyberpunk, and for that matter steampunk too). Transhumanist fiction basically adopted many of the technological assumptions of cyberpunk (especially cybernetics, biomods, and genetic engineering), but spun it as a good thing. It ALSO carries a left-wing message (drawing from second wave feminist theory) about human mutability, but it tends to be much less heavy-handedly political than cyberpunk. It's NOT dystopian, nor is it utopian. It aims for realism.
It envisions bodily transformation as a liberation and empowerment, not a kind of violation and degradation. (Obviously I'm generalizing here.)
So take a picture of a hot girl getting a robot arm. If the room is reasonably clean, the arm pretty natural-looking, and she looks reasonably happy about the operation, then it's probably post-cyberpunk. If the room is dirty and dilapidated, the arm ugly and mechanical, and the girl either cynically acquiescent or openly horrified about what's been done to her, then it's probably cyberpunk. Stick a smirking rich guy in a suit looking on, and it's definitely cyberpunk.
>>43824244
>>43823713
Depends on your interpretation, but I'd go with a setting that passed through a cyberpunk phase and is now in whatever comes after that. Probably closer to singularity level tech.
>>43824174
You read it in a bad way. Text has no inflection.
>>43824260
>>43824143
in the setting i'm making most humans are actually "for" cybernetics because, unlike bio-engineering humankind, cybernetics can be "reversed". you can just detach your arm and attach a new one, whereas if you're transformed into a bio-killing machine it's way harder to turn you back into a human. people augment themselves because everyone else do , just how we all got phones now. that doesn't necessarily mean huge atrophy of the body, but just changing your eyes so you can surf the internet, having brain implants to think faster etc..
>>43824064
https://www.artstation.com/artist/guraziu :)
>>43824278
>>43824265
>Text has no inflection.
No, but it does have tone, and saying "X isn't human" pretty much always has a negative connotation (sub-human, non-human, inhuman, etc...)
>>43824255
I think Deus Ex, and more specifically Deus Ex: Human Revolution (if only because it's the only one I've played and can therefore speak on) are fantastic examples of Post-Cyberpunk.
Augmentation is a big part of society, but plenty find it unnatural or dehumanizing. It's simultaneously dangerous and incredibly helpful on a societal level because it increases power gaps and opens pathways of control.
It even depicts corporations acting as extra-governmental police in a not necessarily bad light. Your character is not a police officer, military man, or even vigilante. He's paid to kill people and essentially commit crimes for a private company, and that is never a moral dilemma because your boss isn't a total psychopath.
>>43824293
>not enuf dakka
>>43824310
>/k/ designs a helicopter
>>43823914
GitS is classic post-cyberpunk. Everything is there for cyberpunk, but it's a functioning and mostly fair society.
>>43824310
>>43824394
reminds me of my middle school drawings
>>43824255
>>43823713
>>43823914
really the easiest way to sum it up is a setting where people consider the Blade Runner blaster like we consider pic related
>>43824174
See now that's a VERY post-cyberpunk ethos. In Shadowrun, every time you get cyberware you become less human (you lose "essence"). In Transhuman Space, new cyberware is just one more awesome thing you can do to give yourself superpowers. There are also people who get exploited by these technologies too, but we the player characters will liberate them with still more technology! Eclipse Phase goes even further and lets people sleeve into and out of whole bodies, even as you're horrified by the superbeings that you've unleashed on the world.
Right there you can see the progression from 60's era granola hippie who sees technology as fundamentally a violation of nature, to the bright-eyed utopians of the 90s dot com era, and into the more guarded and paranoid style we're in now.
>>43824153
Yes, they failed to deliver their message. As I said, that was a critique the movement made of itself. And to be fair, by the end even they didn't believe it anymore.
We absolutely did lose in Vietnam. America didn't accomplish any of its objectives, and the North Vietnamese did. You can claim that they won using unfair tactics (every loser does that), or that the antiwar movement was essentially an arm of soviet intelligence (which sounded like a crazy paranoid conspiracy theory at the time, but with the release of the old KGB archives it's now clear that that's exactly what happened), or that the anti-war democrats who took over Congress lost the war on purpose by cutting off aid to South Vietnam. Whatever. We may not have lost on the battlefield, but we certainly did lose the war. America's confidence was greatly shaken afterwards.
Whether you think the hippies were right or not, they were ABSOLUTELY a pivotal force in creating cyberpunk. What they do or don't deserve can be argued on /pol/.
>>43824508
Eclipse Phase is intended, at least partially, as a horror game.
Plus, the super beings being out of control is potentially not humanities fault at all. If you're following the lore set out in the GMs section, which is optional.
>>43824255
What if the room is clean, the arm looks somewhere fashionable between natural and mechanical, and there's a rich guy in a suit looking on, hiding behind a smirk to hold back the apprehension of whether or not his company's now approved for human testing prosthesis will work as beautifully as his scientists tell him it will?
>>43823881
>>43824064
It's literally a mocked up glock with some retardedly impossible magazine.
>>43824284
This is just fucking retardation in general since that's not how fucking magnifying glass fucking works and with the fuckhuge space between each pannel would give you terrible sight picture since there is a shit ton of air and space between each.
And really? Shock absorber? I've seen guys who will comfortably shoot their AR15 off of their nads because the recoil is so miniscule.
Just because its scifi doesn't mean it has the ability to ignore conventional logic and physics but most liberal arts students are full retards when it comes to reality.
Borderlands 2 may not be cyberpunk at all but i really love the idea of a civilization that is so advanced that companies find it cheaper to turn your gun into a grenade and give you another one than to make a reload system. it makes sense , really. in the lore , the human race is EVERYWHERE in the galaxy so you'd need to make billions of guns per day to satisfy every potential customer. at which point it's easier to just sell a fully loaded gun instead of making seperate factories which would make even more magazines and bullets.
>>43824309
Cyberpunk treated uplifted animals, robots, and cyborgs as abominable, less-than-human, dangerous. They were either harmful to society or wounded, pathetic creatures, or both.
Post-cyberpunk treats those kinds of beings as a metaphor for race, and people who have cyberpunk-era views about them as racists. Which is hilarious because so many authors wrote in BOTH genres. They're essentially condemning their own views from a decade before as backwards, evil, and racist.
>>43824025
>automatic sorting
I would suspect it sorts the cartridges automatically, so there's probably an internal feeding system.
>>43824584
Well, yes and no. If we go all the way back to Neuromancer it seems as though upgraded people aren't necessarily bad and neither are artificial beings.
Like, Wintermute/Neuromancer never actually does anything more evil than the human protagonists and the real villain of the story is a human girl.
>>43824425
GitS has a lot going on behind the curtain that's only hinted at. For one if someone is a politician, you can basically guarantee they're corrupt. They either did some shady shit during the war, they did some shady shit after the war to cover up the war stuff, or they're currently actively doing shady shit for corporate benefits.
Arise and SAC dealt a bit with the problems with veterans of the rather nebulous war that seems to have been fought less than a decade ago. If you're a vet with a a cyborg body, you're effectively owned by the state. You're going to need to keep working or you won't have the money to keep up your maintenance. Not to mention the vague atrocities that every single one of them seem to have committed, including the protagonists.
If you want to do anything of any importance in GitS's setting you're going to need a cyberbrain, which opens yourself up to the main theme of the show, which is reality suddenly becoming even less trustworthy, what with all the hackers with a bone to pick, PMCs running ops, private corps testing shit, the government coverups, and all manner of other shit running around.
Private citizen life seems to waver somewhere between "happy modern life" to "generally just shy of destitute." But everyone is under the constant threat of being made obsolete.
tl;dr GitS has a lot going on.
>>43824548
That's in a grey area. The fundamental dividing line is this. If you see the girl with the prosthesis as a victim, then it's cyberpunk. If you see her as a beneficiary, then it's post-cyberpunk.
Is cyberware an evil violation that's done to you by someone else, or is it something awesome and empowering that you do for yourself? The former is a creation of the 70's, when everything was a mainframe computer or a big corporation centrally managed by The Powers That Be. The latter is about the 90's, when the hero is the CEO of a small startup, and everyone owns powerful IT in their bedrooms.
>>43824584
To be fair, there's a difference between hating uplifts, and acknowledging the difference between them and humans.
So what if uplifted dogs don't quite get abstract thought as well as humans, they still count as people at this point; that's not to say that they're just as capable as, or equivalent to, humans.
>>43824580
Yes and no. The idea behind Tediore is the fact that everyone basically has a limited 3d printer in their pocket that condenses and stores material.
When you pick up a gun, it learns the guns blueprint. But it's only so smart as to be able understand a certain number of blueprints at any given time. Hence the inventory limit size being increased by buying little external hard drives.
So the way Tediore works is that their guns are made of cheaper, less costly materials that your 3D printer comes overstocked with. So instead of printing a large complex gun with expensive materials, it prints a light cheap one that you throw away and quickly build a new one.
>>43824623
But the cyberware is still a negative. Villain or victim, the cyborg is not quite human anymore.
Bladerunner, Robocop, and Star Wars of all things plays with this concept. Darth Vader is a monstrous cyborg, but by the end of RotJ he's a pathetic shred of a man trapped inside an exoskeleton. "More machine than man now, twisted and evil."
As opposed to Obi Wan, the naturalist hippie living off the grid in the desert. One with nature, no cyberware, calm and mindful.
>>43824660
really ? i thought most objects in the borderlands universe were made using hard light and plot-magic.
>>43824580
>>43824660
I hadn't understood how Tediore guns worked for a long time, so when I read that it 'explodes when the magazine is empty' or whatever it says, I thought that meant you could only use it once.
>>43824639
>>43824675
Since you seem pretty knowledgeable in this, where do you stand, anon?
Are you some filthy granola-muncher? Do praise techno-Jesus? Something else?
>>43824734
nah, just hyper speed printers.
it's one of the go-to options for post scarcity Sci-Fi. with up there with NANITES.
>>43824734
Well pretty much yeah. But so far as can be gleaned, you're not teleporting a gun to you, you're building an entire new one in your hands. Generally that's never explained in any but cursory ways, but I know for a fact that your inventory space is limited by the digital information storage capacity of your digistruct module thing.
Digistruct is pretty much what seperates the Vault Hunters from everyone else on the planet. They have the modules that let them carry infinite ammo, guns, cars, and re spawns.
http://borderlands.wikia.com/wiki/Digistruct
>>43824645
Is the uplifted dog a person? At what point along the uplifting process do they cross the line?
That's a much easier distinction to draw in an RPG or fiction book, where the author lays it out for you. Bladerunner is good (and the book is even better) because it doesn't come out and tell you. It has characters taking each side, and forces the reader to make a decision for himself. And not be sure he's right.
That's a good secondary theme in transhumanist fiction. At what point DOES an AI have sufficient sapience to be considered a person? A character in a game world can't pick up a character sheet and read whether the particular AI they're talking to is entitled to rights or not.
Cyberpunk talked about that problem, but they weren't as interested in that as they were in the decision about whether or not we'd make them in the first place.
>>43824817
>Is the uplifted dog a person?
>At what point along the uplifting process do they cross the line?
The point at which you could stick them in a human-suit and they'd be able to get along just fine in human society.
I would imagine it'd be something like the Turing test, but much more intensive; it's not so much that you just have to fool someone through speech, you also need to be able to function, in some capacity, as human.
I know hard edges are kind of weird in this situation, but margins of error just give you two or more hard edges, and soft edges can allow for poor judgement.
>>43824815
>seperates the Vault Hunters from everyone else on the planet.
nope, just people that can afford the fees for the service.
whats more, is that it's been theorized that boolets in the game are just lumps of grey-goo nanites that get programmed when you load them into the guns. this theory advanced as a way you can have bullets that change their firing properties for effects like electric, corrosive, flame, etc. based on the gun, not the bullet. each different gun having a different program to control damage output of the round and artificially produce competition for more and more powerful weapons.
>>43824908
I mean, yeah, but I was just talking about from a gameplay perspective. The reason your characters are "special" in a way that lets them go around kicking all the bandits and Hyperion/Crimson Lance grunts right in there dumbass testes is because you were able to afford digistruct privileges.
Also, the way Vault Hunters are talked about it seems the major difference from your Joe Blow isn't really anything more interesting than a bandit and a real "Vault Hunter" vault hunter is that one can afford to digistruct.
>>43824767
I like both genres, along with lots of other science fiction. You mean which cyberware would I get for myself? Show me a model and the pricetag and I'll decide then.
If you're wondering what my political beliefs are, you'll have to keep guessing. This isn't /pol/ and I hate the "everything is about politics" thing. It's an intrinsic part of cyberpunk so it belongs here, but whether those political views are right or wrong is not.
>>43824998
>afford to digistruct.
or digistruct better equipment.
if you did the Shooty McFace (or however you say his name) it might just be believable that the psycho is addicted to the feeling of digistruction...
>>43824811
Post-scarcity is a very post-cyberpunk concept. Cyberpunk was all about actual scarcity. The idea (borrowed from the ecotheory of the time) was that technology creates problems that can only be fixed with more technology, which creates still more problems... a vicious cycle that dooms a technological society to pollution, famine, and poverty, however seductive the immediate advantages of a particular invention look.
The reaction was exactly the opposite view: that technology creates such abundance that everyone can be wealthy and liberated. At that point, the problem is that a wealthy society is hard to place a conflict in. So the fight has to be against wealthy corporate elites who act to suppress these technologies so they can remain at the top of the pyramid. It never really caught on in fiction, but in RPGs you often see the theme. Five brain-wrenching minutes on /epg/ and you'll see endless /pol/esque bickering about post-scarcity societies and socialist theory.
>>43825210
>/epg/
???
I was just pointing out that borderlands wasn't properly a cyberpunk setting...and this isn't a post-cyberpunk thread its a cyberpunk thread. the OP header is just ambiguously worded
but that's quibbling I don't feel like getting into.
however I would certainly debate that technology does NOT produce an abundance. it produces a versatility. in the early days of petroleum, gasoline was a nearly worthless byproduct and often burned as dangerous waste. technology made this abundant worthless liquid vastly more useful.
a common analogue today might be mico-protein foods(apparently you can grow fungi that legitimately tastes of chicken) the fungus was always there as were caves to grow it in, now we have a use for it and it's becoming a source of value.
a radioactive isotope is only an abundant energy source if you can harness it correctly.
and given the widespread availability of knowledge (for this I am distinguishing Knowledge and Information) in these settings, quashing a technology for any significant length of time would be nearly impossible.
>>43825441
>>/epg/
>???
Go read it and you'll see what I mean.
Anyway, you're right to steer us back to cyberpunk. Here's a question: what do anons think about Snow Crash? I remember how for years after it came out, it was absolutely the cat's ass.
Then suddenly people turned against it. "It's not as good as it's hyped to be" quickly turned into "Snow Crash is total shit". I guess a little like the katana memes.
Is it safe to like Snow Crash again? It's a great book IMO, not the best book in history but excellent and probably the capstone to the cyberpunk era.
>>43825560
>Go read it and you'll see what I mean.
no as in, what does that abbreviate...
>what do anons think about Snow Crash?
I liked it, it was a nice parody of cyberpunk as a setting genre.
>"It's not as good as it's hyped to be"
because the book was a PARODY (satire? am I using the wrong word?) if you try to look at it seriously is IS garbage, if you look at it as it was meant to be seen its a damn fine novel.
it may not be safe, but safe is boring.
>poon's a ride off a pizza delivery speedster and skates away...
>>43825650
>eclipse
>phase
>general
I think
>>43825560
Snow Crash was alright. It works well as satire, and has some cool things, but the only issue I'd have with it that's not it just being goof/over-the-top for effect is the bit at the end where Hiro and Raven basically knew each other for no reason. That was just kinda lame storytelling.
I've heard Stephenson just can't do endings very well, but I've not read any of his other stuff so I can't comment
>>43824555
that smg thing looks like it's a laser gun. No need for a typical mag.
>>43823611
this kind of shit is sexy as hell. Would this be GI or is it a specialist/support role?
>>43825967
it's got an ejector port
it has a mag or it was drawn by an idiot
>>43825787
Best in thread for a fine pic related.
>>43826067
>>43826077
There's a symbol on the side that's a series of bullets not to mention if it was a battery, it'd be a shitty one since it's so riddled with holes.
Oh and if you look very closely it says on the side "4.7x30" which I'm 99.9% sure was the artist being an idiot who wanted to write 4.6x30 which is the bullet used in the MP7.
Ergo idiot artists who don't know shit about guns.
>>43823863
this is some creepy ass shit. Having their arm stumps out in the open like that is a cool aesthetic choice.
>>43826241
Yeah having a little arm left and visibly there drives it home better than removing it at the shoulder and putting gear in its place.
>>43826241
>>43826275
if you like the concept someone on polycount made one of the girl from the picture in 3D, lemme find it
>>43826275
It also makes some sense.
The arm is too big for the body to provide a strong enough mounting, but at the same time the human brain probably wouldn't cope with controlling extra limbs very well so it has to replace the other.
I like shit like this in terms of 'great leap forward' Cyber punk. We just found out some key bits of science/stole it off a Xeno corpse, And every thing is sort of exploding outwards. New technology shoved into old frames for proof of concept, old aesthetics clashing with new capabilities or requirements.
[source is Xenonauts]
>>43826327
I'd love to see it.
>>43826353
>>43826275
It also elongates the person's 'trunk' adding to the distended and warped silhouette
>>43826432
I also like the idea of home-grown terrorism popping up more and more in the ghettos around super cities. Home made guns getting churned out, poor as fuck militias scrapping along to get a few punches in on the hyper-elite
>>43826432
>>43826327
got it. guy also made a bike and a gun for the lady.
http://polycount.com/discussion/145608/cyborg-assault-swat-woman/p4
>>43826479
>He made her Asian
Otherwise, that's fucking awesome.
>>43826479
fuckin A, THat's rad as hell!
>>43826519
Problem, mate?
>>43826463
The gangs and self styled rebels doing anything and everything to gain an edge or put more firepower down range.
>>43826519
>>43823863
Strange, these remind me of early Dmitrys, minus the CCCP stuff he would put on them.
>>43823845
You missed the part where it's a 6 foot long bullpup.
>>43826666
I just don't like Asians, and the art looked more white than Asian to me.
>>43826684
Adrian Dadich, check it out.
>>43826666
>>43826463
that seem rather silly considering you can 3D prints gun right now.
i believe guns in the future will be locked like in MGS4 and you'd need the right authorisation to unlock it and use it. if you put that in your setting , you can easily say rebels just hack the government to get access to their gun files, but still need to decrypt the key or code or whatever needed to use it, hence why nobody is seen with a gajillion guns. that'd make more sense than homemade gun prone to KB
>>43823580
Why are there two barrels?
>>43823624
Where did you find such a monstrosity?
>>43826779
through pinterest. wanna know the best ? it's part of a 1 hour long tutorial you have to BUY.
and it explains how to make cyberpunk weapons.
>>43826737
In my settings the ghetto of the brave new world is about as shitty as it is today, but much more densely packed. None of the masses will have access to serious 3d printing,
Thing is, Guns are easy as fuck to make. A due out there made an AK out of a shovel head , some springs and a gas-block kit. http://www.vice.com/video/the-gun-markets-of-Pakistan This shitty ass town makes a thousand guns a day and has ammo production/reloading capabilities. ANd look at how many different types of guns are made around the world https://homemadeguns.wordpress.com/ Varying from bogshite terribad to quality munitions.
I just like the feel that Improvised weapons give off, and the contrast between this bottom of the barrel ass ingenuity and Cream of the crop refinement. Sure you could steal a gene-coded gun and hack into it, But if your home made hand cannon splatters an Enforcer's circuits across the streets just as well, why bother? Just sell that block of technology to the Crime syndacyte in the upper levels and get some explosives or hyper-PCP or something.
this, for example, Is a narco made Engien BLock killer. 50 Cal. Easy to make, Easy to replace, and no worries about the internals hiding a tracking device or some shit.
>>43824102
>We'll just leave the chambers open to the elements for maximum jamming.
>>43826883
...is that big one made out of a T-post driver?...
>>43826883
>hyper-PCP
>not UltraCoke
>laughing druggie chicks.webm
>>43824284
A cool idea. A shame it won't work. Something similar exists though
http://www.cabelas.com/product/EOTech-EXPS-Sight-with-G-Magnifier-Combo/1379577.uts?productVariantId=3177844&srccode=cii_17588969&cpncode=43-111908643-2&WT.tsrc=CSE&WT.mc_id=GoogleProductAds&WT.z_mc_id1=03464462&rid=20
>>43824310
>focus-ring rotor radome
>volume-slider intakes
>convenient + symbols on fuel tanks for ease of target acquisition
>at least 3 CIWS pods
>30mm naval turret kangarooed onto the belly
I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
Would Halo's UNSC Designs fit in with a Cyber punk universe?
>>43826924
I think so.
>>43827045
How would you hold this gun? Or does it have a stock that's not shown?
>>43827118
A really wierd stock.
>>43827146
loading that looks like a pain and I can't imagine it'd be easy to carry more than a couple mags for it.
>>43823713
It'd be fiction elements and trends that were created as a reaction to cyberpunk.
Like how post-modernism exists as a reaction to modernism.
>>43827045
Am I meant to believe that spring is going to push rounds all the way around to the end?
>>43827338
>>43827223
Loading it is probably as easy as any other gun.
You could probably carry maybe two more, but if you need THAT many bullets on hand at all times, then yet more bullets won't really help.
>>43827382
Infinite ammo.
>>43827382
lewd
>>43824883
Why would dog function as a human, even uplifted? It is, for all intents, an alien.
>>43823814
the BBC doesn't have the budget for weapons that other sudios have, in the ep with the routemaster on the desert world, UNIT all had different weapons.
the only complete set of similar weapons that they can expect to be in the props room when they need a lot are the set of P90's because they are considered "Sci-fi" guns
>>43827691
It doesn't need to be human, only be able to function within human society. If it can do that, then it should count as "human" as in that it's a person.
>>43823317
The thing about cyberpunk stuff that always gets me is how, today, we're living in a world of pure evil governments, geopolitical chaos, worldwide ubiquitous networks and computing devices, private space flight and personal drones. Except instead of being surrounded by awesome cyber stuff and heroic outlaw superhackers, we get iPhones and 4chan.
I wish real dystopia was as cool as the fictional kind.
>>43828235
>we're living in a world of pure evil governments
Stay in school, kid.
>geopolitical chaos
The world is actually pretty stable, today. We haven't had a major war for nearly 100 years, and the most notable annexation in recent memory is Russia and Crimea.
>private space flight
Most private space flight companies suckle off of NASA's teat.
>real dystopia
>thinking what we have now is a "dystopia"
>>43823713
>mfw that's a photograph
>>43824027
Have a look at Car Wars/Autoduel.
>>43828403
>It's a good thing the USA isn't literally supporting terrorist organizations on a regular basis, and civilized western governments aren't imprisoning people for speaking against them AND for speaking against the people they're in the process of rounding up. That would be crazy, because they're the good guys. Can you imagine what the bad guys would be like?
>The middle east is just dandy, China is perfectly fine, America is all mom and apple pie patriotism, and Canada's PM is competent and capable - also, enjoy your new refugee friends, everyone!
>Amazon doesn't do anything
>Yes, the future is looking bright.
Somewhere, a dedicated farmer has managed to teach a sheep to type.
>>43828549
Thanks to your big straw man, no crows should be bothering this thread anymore.
Thanks for the effort!
>>43828549
>Look everyone, I just got back from a happening thread!
>If you don't agree with me, you're a sheep!
Rand Paul 2016 amirite?
>>43826883
Dude, fucking M2 50 cal machine guns are fucking easy to make.
Sell the special guns, buy better tooling and get your hands on serious quantities of scrap, and start pumping out whatever you have the skill to.
AKs, ARs are actually, in some respects, easier to make, build a fucking CAD machine, get a oven to nigrig a way to heat treat internal parts, or get an actual furnace and go ffuck off and build your own khyber pass.
I actually have a DM who won't let me play Cyber punk because I have too much knowledge when it comes to engineering and firearms since the shit I know and apply to my characters since I build them similarly, has completely destroyed his past 2 attempts at his campaign.
I mean SURE, we can deal with the Cyber Mafia and try to barter with the deep web for guns, explosives and ammo but I've got three shops in this city building and stock piling high military grade firearms for one of the local revolution groups I've funded, that the local police is struggling to subdue and the Military is having difficulty fighting out in irradiated Germany because they're competent mercenaries playing both sides of America and Russia, neither of which realize this.
Enders game said the only power that mattered in this world was the ability to kill. Mine thinks this is ironic because he knows just how close of a second, knowledge is.
>>43829361
>Because the american dollar isn't set to crash in 2 years once everybody realizes it's only valued at .15 fucking cents
AMIRIGHT GUEYS?
>>43823713
Is that clever makeup, a really realistic robot, or are we living in a horrifying nightmare world where ethernet ports are favored over USB ports for cybernetic interfaces?
>>43828810
>someone claims governments aren't evil
>gives examples of how governments are evil
>strawman
>says world is pretty stable
>gives examples of significant instability
>strawman
>disparages private space flight
>gives explicit example of private space flight
>strawman
I don't know if you're just using words you can't define or if you just don't understand how sarcasm works. But either way, you probably shouldn't be on this website.
>>43827102
No, they look too functional
>>43829664
>has such a limited understanding of economics that he's treating the dollar like a gold coin
I bet you think the gold standard was good, too.
>>43829676
No one said governments aren't evil, only that they aren't pure black no redemption BBEGs.
>significant instability
If by "significant" you mean "Arabs and Africans going at each other like they have since the dawn of time", then yeah.
>gives explicit example of private space flight
Listen, I know you have a boner of Mr.Musk, but NASA pretty much foots all his bills AND gives him specialists to fix his shitty rockets.
>>43823713
Would Deus Ex count? The original game I mean. In that game hard cybernetics and replacing human parts with machines are considered archaic. It's all nanomachines all the time.
>>43827146
what if the magazine is made of flexible rubber?
>>43826737
Or you could just bypass the circuit altogether. It's impossible to secure something against physical access
>>43829995
Why?
>>438301
>so you can shape it in to a circular form when you are going to reload your rifle
>give it the shape you want so it fits your mag pouch
>>43830208
Then it would not work even worse than it already wouldn't.
>>43827146
Once again, artists prove they have no idea how guns work. You do not feed the barrel with bullets like that.
>>43830406
You can't really say that for certain without knowing how the internal mechanism works.
I can guarantee you that there is a way to make it functional.
Whether it's worth the trouble is another issue entirely.
>>43829673
Ethernet doesn't truly support hot-swapping (some devices do but the standard itself doesnt), while USB does, that gives a 'borg much safer port access against unwanted conections
>>43829936
>only that they aren't pure black no redemption BBEGs.
well, other than People's Best Korea
>>43829623
Now that's what I'm talking about. Competent gun smiths could make a fucking awesome campaign concept
>>43830719
I'm sure they have some redeeming features.
>>43823601
Jesus Christ I've spent so much time on /k/ that pic actually hurts my brain. How the fuck does the artist think guns work?
>>43824102
> trigger guard completely fucking optional
>>43826891
How the fuck do you think revolvers work, anon?
>>43832527
Like this, I'd assume.
Which is to say that not even God knows.
>>43829623
>I actually have a DM who won't let me play Cyber punk
His mistake was letting you play at all. In anything.
stop posting your shitty weapons
>>43833634
Post better ones or post other content.
>>43833451
If your setting can't handle a competent player, let alone an engineer in study or a gun guy then your setting a shit.
DM wised up and adjusted the setting because lo and behold, even in the fucking future you can't stop creative people from building guns, not when it can be done with nothing more than pipes and a dremel.
>>43832527
kraut space magic
like the G11
>>43832527
Do you not know how bullpup firearms work? The edge of the charging handle isn't where the breech has to be. There's still more than enough room for a bolt carrier group behind the magazine for a traditional loading system.
>>43823713
I want more of where that picture came from
>>43832590
>>43824639
>If you see the girl with the prosthesis as a victim, then it's cyberpunk. If you see her as a beneficiary, then it's post-cyberpunk.
What if it could be both, depending on the situation?
>>43823580
I'm guessing the hammer is purely decorative and that it ignites the propellent by some electrical charge.
>>43834008
Typically the idea with a bullpup is to move the chamber further back.
>>43833730
No, the setting can handle a competent player.
The DM just didn't want to bother with a shitty little autist like you that just can't leave his IRL shit out of the game.
>>43833730
Don't blame the setting. Blame the DM who can't think of a response to guns.
Hint: armored vehicles, drones, surveillance
>>43829673
>>43830697
Honestly, I think we might see a resurgence in large parallel ports like the D25 printer jack, especially for something like cybernetics where you need to be sending lots of different signals at once.
You can't use parallel ports for pure data streaming because of the problems with keeping all of the bits in the right order.
>>43832935
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TKB-022PM
>The weapons were gas operated with annular gas piston located around the barrel and a vertically moving bolt, which made it possible to minimise the length of the receiver group. A U-shaped rammer/extractor was used to chamber and extract the cartridge by pushing it into the chamber where after discharge was pulled back from the chamber and again, upon feeding the new cartridge, pushed forward and slightly up into an ejection tube above the barrel where finally exiting above the muzzle. Due to this ejection mechanism it was possible to fire from both right and left arm positions.
>>43834184
>HURR CAN USE IRL KNOWLED IN GAMI
I can't see how it was me being a shitty little autist?
DM was an idiot when it came to planning out certain finer details that his setting entailed.
He even ignored the fact that I straight up said my character would be a competent arms dealer who worked on and with old world technology and machinery, including firearms.
He was just an ass who thought that you couldn't powergame by using knowledge to you betterment instead of being a minmaxing asshole, and partially thought he could artificially control the difficulty of confrontations by limiting our access to weapons and thus could take out his frustrations on us players by being unfathomably brutal.
My response was to completely undermine everything his setting was built upon.
Government controlled gauss weaponry and the like?
Okay, I build ARs up the ass and start selling them to local militias sowing dissent as a way of securing power in the lower districts.
DM gets pissed that I won't be railroaded where he wants?
Government sends assassins after me which die after their car is destroyed in a mysterious explosion since my contacts had already reached the small people up on top who knew more than those who thought they knew it all.
He got better after he got his head out of his ass but he still is bitter over the fact I completely wiped his campaign.
But I guess since anything from fantasy can't mix with reality, unless your game takes place in the 1st dimension where nothing resembles our perception of the world and thus, doesn't cross the borders of fantasy and reality, that's the only way it can be okay since you must leave all sense of reality when entering a game.
>>43833730
Personally, I wouldn't enjoy playing with you if you insisted on making it "Muh Engineering Spectacular Sideshow".
And honestly, it's your apparent insistence on playing that and nothing but that makes you a fucking sperg.
Congratulations on ruining cyberpunk games because you're too fucking autistic to remember it's a GAME for FUN with FRIENDS and sometimes that means you have to compromise.
>>43834483
>>43834465
Yeah man, you sound like a right fag. I mean, I'm an undergrad chemistry student, but I have the decency to not deliberately try to ruin my GM's shit by making neurotoxins out of old thermometers and household objects.
>>43824027
Holdout for cyberpunk 2077
>>43834465
Anon, this post has jack shit to do with your original post about your GM not letting you engineer guns. You really need to be more accurate in your venting.
Still pretty sure you're autistic though, for playing against the DM instead of talking it out like reasonable adults. And since the GM DID let you get away with your pouty manchild special snowflake playground plotting, I'm inclined to think he wasn't as unreasonable as you portray him to be.
Especially
>
Government sends assassins after me which die after their car is destroyed in a mysterious explosion since my contacts had already reached the small people up on top who knew more than those who thought they knew it all.
Since I can think of half a dozen retarded ways to prevent that from happening if I was an asshole GM, and at least 3 in this moment if I wasn't.
>>43832527
That charging handle slot you've mistaken for an ejection port is clearly above the barrel, dude.
>>43834465
You literally just proved my point for me.
I hope you never find a game again, you caustic little sperg.
You 'won' because the GM let you. I'd have just chucked your ass the moment you started your 'tsim tantrum, but he's a better person then me, it seems.
He's a friend you don't fucking deserve, you little shit.
>>43834465
And let me guess - when you get shot, you don't die because you're a robot.
>>43834483
>>43834568
It wasn't anything like that.
It was literally
>DM doesn't want us to have guns because he wants to railroad us?
>Okay, I make my own
>Fuck your setting's government too, Guns for everybody and their mother
I used my character, which afore mentioned, was an arms dealer and a technician who studied old world tech, roleplaying him how I saw he'd be, that being pretty much fucking Jackal from Far Cry if you were to put him in a Cyberpunk 2020-77/Deus Ex setting.
My friends that I played with had a blast too since it was basically science fiction viva revolution, fighting corporations and corporate own government entities.
The only time my engineering knowledge came into play was when my DM tried to claim that there was no way I could build a HMG or shit like that, where I had to break it down for him to show that it's some of the most basic garage gunsmith shit you can imagine.
>>43834576
To explain the assassins, it was a fair reaction to my shenanigans if you want to call them that. If someone is going around, upsetting the balance of power, well you do what the powers that be have done for thousands of years.
The result of this was the Assassins failing to realize that they were trying to work in a place that didn't want them nor that necessarily feared them. One of the other players in my group found out about this because one of the first things he did in the campaign before I got started, was setting up an information network within the smallest of the small, connecting with the janitors, the clerics, the nurses and undesirables in the upper world, those who were treated like shit among the so believed upper class of the world.
And from there, it was only with a very lucky roll that we were told by one of the secretaries at the corporate office that owned the mercs being sent, that they were coming after us.
From there we orchestrated a response straight from the pages of the Second Chechen War.
>>43834465
>DM basically lets you get away with a ton of shit even though it fucks over their game and the plan
>"HA, I SURE OUTSMARTED THAT RAILROADING FUCK WHO LET ME USE MY RESOURCES AND SKILLS TO FUCK OVER HIS GAME EVEN THOUGH HE TOTTALLY COULD'VE JUST SAID "No, that doesn't work".
>I SURE TAUGHT THAT BITCH NOT TO RAILROAD
>>43834101
Generally yeah, you're right. But if you get creative you can make a firearm that diverts from the norm, ie Korobov's weapon designs.
>>43834683
Really? Because it sounds EXACTLY LIKE THAT.
Funny how fast you are to change your tune when everyone calls you the little shit you are.
>>43834483
>apparent insistence on playing that and nothing but that makes you a fucking sperg.
So you're just making shit up?
>>43824633
Well, on the politician thing, GiTS is just being realistic. The type of person that seeks a political career is the kind that's easily corrupted.
>>43834772
Given he claims to have ruined 2 damn games with the same idea, no, there seems to be grounding in fact.
>>43834772
Since he's changed his story three fucking times now, I stand by my response being perfectly valid for the post I replied to.
>>43834726
Korobov moved the receiver further back than any other example I can think of.
>>43834743
The whole conversation started with a reference to the fact that guns can are easy as all hell to build. That's literally it.
I didn't feel like typing out a 10 fucking page story on how the campagn started, the setting, why the DM was pissing EVERYBODY off even when we all said we were ALL growing sick of his poor attempts at railroading and basically sticking his dick in his ears whenever we tried to do anything outside of what he approved.
If you want to call bullshit on certain parts, fine. I'll explain them. But it never was overboard nor autistic. The circumstances that related to my knowledge of guns and firearms only ever came up as a method of justification.
How did my character build a 50 caliber machine gun?
Simple. Because he sorted through that treasure trove of old world banned literature and information we collected specifically for finding old world information concerning firearms and military technology and stumbled upon an old Army Maintenance manual for Heavy stationary weapons.
Why does it seem to change tone?
Because after a while our DM got his head out of his ass and realized that he could still have us do the shit he wanted as far as story wise, but he'd just have to let us do it how WE wanted to do it. I'm also referencing different points in a 4 month campaign, of which the majority of the issues stemmed from the first month where neither party could keep on the same page.
We never once raised an issue over him maintaining an organic setting that reacted to us stirring the shitpot.
>>43834798
The 2 "games" were his two attempts at hardcore railroading before we finally sat down and had an all or nothing discussion instead of acting like man children. The first was the first game which lasted about 6 hours and nobody enjoyed because we were forced to do what the campaign told us to do. It was about as Linear as CoD games get and we didn't want to play that kind of game. Second was 4 sessions in at the 1 month mark
>>43834798
At what point did he refuse to play a different game?
Why couldn't DM handle the existence of guns?
>>43834946
So that's 4 story changes in as many posts.
Sure thing, buddy. It's all the big mean DM that railroaded you into somehow letting you win despite his attempts to stop.
You are fooling literally no-one but yourself, you little shit. Fuck right off.
>>43834992
>using the word game to mean session is implausible
Okay
>>43835011
It's quite the 'slip', yes, given the constant 'expanding of points' and all.
Sorry that you've exposed yourself for the shitty sperg you are, and are now desperately trying to backtrack and blame it all on the big-bad mean DM that you totes think circles around.
>>43835035
Not even the same guy bruh.
But then again, reading comprehension would definitely be a skill you'd possess if you'd had read the first post which, throughout the subsequent attempts at explaining, all explained that our DM was railroading his campaign.
But hey, got to wonder how much of the childish whining is just you alone.
>>43835190
>our DM
Sure, you're definitely not the same guy.
>>43835035
>expanding on prior claims is implausible
Okay.
I'm also getting pretty irritated with people assuming I'm other anons. It's a recurring theme.
>>43835250
Pretty sure infact.
>>43835250
He was referring to >>43835011 not being him, dumbass. And it wasn't, because it was me.
>>43835190
First off.
>our DM
Not the same guy, at all, sure.
Second: You started screaming about railroading when giving an example of how you were explicitly NOT railroaded, as any shitty DM worth even a drop of the rulebook could have prevented that in a million ways.
After that, everyone called you a shit. And suddenly, once everyone was calling you a shit, there was a whole lot more info you never revealed! WHOOPS!
And yet, the story gets more and more "I was totally in the right guyz I fucking swear!" every post as it massively expands on the situation. We totally believe you.
Sure.
you wouldn't fuck a cyberpunk
>>43835318
Not that I wouldn't.
Tendril-hands here, however...
>>43835306
First
>>43835281
Second, I only mentioned railroading as a reason for action, the throwing of "Autist" began with the sudden fucking audacity of using real world knowledge of technology means I can't fucking know how to eat food or some shit even though it fits the naritive and character I had built.
But you want examples of railroading?
Fair enough, I said I'd provide.
Throughout our first "session" which I gotta call it that since when refering to table top, session and game are not vague synonyms autists can't distinguish, the 6 hours we played was literally
>"You will do what we tell you because we have bomb collars on you and they will detonate if you do not do as we say."
>"Okay, you've got the collars off but now security is being called and from the shaking of the floor, its safe to assume they're wearing exos."
>"Okay now you're going to work with this other corporate entity because they locked you in this room and filled it with sleeping gas. While you were asleep, you were fitted with bomb collars."
That sort of retarded railroading.
But you're the one sperging, making mountains out of ant hills.
>>43835306
>Expanding on things doesn't happen in real life
Look at this guy. Probably doesn't even know how to check IPs.
>>43834946
>I didn't feel like typing out a 10 fucking page story on how the campagn started, the setting, why the DM was pissing EVERYBODY off even when we all said we were ALL growing sick of his poor attempts at railroading and basically sticking his dick in his ears whenever we tried to do anything outside of what he approved.
Then why even post? Do you not know how /tg/ works?
>>43834946
>I didn't feel like typing out a 10 fucking page story on how the campagn started, the setting, why the DM was pissing EVERYBODY off even when we all said we were ALL growing sick of his poor attempts at railroading and basically sticking his dick in his ears whenever we tried to do anything outside of what he approved.
But you said none of that, or indicated any of that was a thing, see.
You just crowed about how you ruined two of his games, until he decided to just drop you like a hot coal.
Also.
>>43835417
>I ruined two games!
>I ruined two game SESSIONS
Yes, these are actually two very big different things. One makes you come off as a far bigger asshole, although your conduct in general has cemented this.
>>43835528
Because I main /k/ and I forget that some people don't need a fucking 13 book spread on why their experience with X was shit. Even among the turbo autists that lurk there as well
>>43835563
Well gee senpai kun, please go easy on my oppai ona hole! I promise that when I talk about something completely irrelevant to the topic at hand, which was a off hand comment more than anything, I'll remember to shit up the thread like you have been doing so EVERYBODY know EXACTLY what happened.
I'll also be sure to not trigger any of the turbo autist's tism so they don't go on a 20 post rant on why synonyms don't exist because they don't understand them and how I'm a bad person because even though its 11 at night, I should be completely robotic and can't make mistakes in my posting and make sure that nothing is left out that could cause error or confusion!
Thankyou anon kun!
>>43835417
Those are some . . . interesting situations. But not really "railroad" per-se.
I mean, bomb collars aren't unreasonable. Neither is security having Exo's (especially if you're a prisoner that they've already put bomb-collars on) and while I'm not sure about the "getting locked in a room with sleeping gas and working for another corp with bomb collars" that could concievably happen.
See, you haven't actually told anything about how you ended up in these situations and how your agency, as a player, was violated. I mean, it sounds more like he going full pink mohawk while you possibly wanted to play black-hat, or maybe he was reading Suicide Squad recently.
None of this has sweet fuck all to do with the other posts you made, either, it's like you're just trying your damndest to convince me your GM is a railroading moron like there's some sort of moral high ground you want to claim.
Every single post you make just ends up making you look worse. Please, put down the keyboard, and just stop. It's starting to get painful.
Not just your disjointed, wandering posts, but how much of a fuck you're giving about people on /tg/ validate you. I'm pretty fucking sure nothing anyone says will make you stop and rethink your position, or even admit the slightest amount of fault on your part (especially given how much you shit-talk your GM) so . . . just why? Why are you continuing this?
>>43835634
I'm going to mount this post on my wall. It's like, the best example of both projecting and mad ever.
>>43835634
> Complaining about /tg/ not being on topic
> Maining /k/
> Maining a fucking board on 4chan like that means something other than revealing your powerlevel
Oh god. Nope, you've made my night. Thanks for reminding me why I come here. Fucking laughing at this.
I mean, seriously, should we talk about >>43835318 or >>43835337? What would you have your cyber-bunny mod that isn't obviously or directly related to sex, but you would find appealing?
>>43835634
You went full nigger.
>>43835759
In-built high-heels. I dunno why, I just love the idea.
>>43835759
I want to talk about the way we could visualize the stratification in a CyberPunk world with giving the upper class MetalGear SOlid/RIsing Tech with sleek genecoded rifles and Robo-tanks, while the masses have home made guns, molotoves, stapled together mainframes and a bone to pick.
Like, Top class is Starwars/MSR level cybernetics and even though the bottom class has cyber shit, it's Imperium of man level clunker shit.
>>43835952
How far can it go before it's a fetish?
>>43835995
That is . . . pretty much Shadowrun. I like how they did it in Deus Ex HR though, with patients having to use a drug to prevent rejection so maybe the higher class have cybernetics that are free from that so the plebs are kept dependent and can't jury-rig shit to be dangerous.
>>43836031
Careful, you're entering trotters territory.
>>43836055
I never really got that sense from Shadowrun when looking through the official art. It seemed like there was a lower-end for Cybernetics that was not gone below.
I like your idea for the drugs, Maybe the HIgh class stuff uses alloys that the body won't spit out?
>>43834777
>>43824633
Don't forget that the protagonists of Ghost in the Shell are basically cops. The reason things often seem so shitty is largely a result of the fact that the perspective characters are specifically investigating them for corruption.
It's like saying that the society portrayed in ER or House is full of diseased trauma patients.
>>43836031
Fuck if I know. I just adore the idea of heavy, almost stripper-tier heels on a few cyberbitches sometimes.
It looks hot as hell. Not directly related to sex, though, so.
Like, say here. The limbs would be fully cybernetic, while the torso is a much more pliant synthetic flesh.
>>43824102
Jesus fuck, a revolver in .55 and it's break action? There's a reason why we don't make break action revolvers anymore.
>>43832566
Guessing from the 'Ares Armaments' label that it's a Shadowrun gun, so they've got to accommodate the giant sausage fingers on a troll.
>>43836227
There are better ways, friend anon.
>>43836151
Or even just that the surgery is incredibly time consuming and difficult so that only the best surgeons can do it, and it can't be automated.
That way it's not just a matter of getting the material, but someone with the knowledge AND skill to fix it.
Or both special material, facilities AND personnel. No longer are countries looking for WMDs, but trying to control the access to high-end cyberware for political leaders and dissidents.
That gives you a reasonable level of influence for Corps to have internationally. Maybe like a Suk school of doctors mixed with WH40k's tech priests.
You could even have "fire and forget" terrorist cyberzombies that can be defeated by just staying the fuck away until their power runs out since they are so fucked up that they don't bother putting things like stomachs or renewable energy sources in them, but also don't lose valuable cyber parts.
>>43824102
All these different ammunition types. Or, I could just use a better weapon for the job.
>>43823672
That motorcycle has a rate of fire of over 900 rounds per minute.
>>43836272
According to the rulebook, all those ammo types work in every gun. (not interchangeably, but manufactured for every type)
>>43836227
>There's a reason why we don't make break action revolvers anymore.
Material strength, which might not be as much of a concern in the future, and wasn't enough to prevent the Russians from attempting it with .357 magnum (which ultimately failed due to import restrictions).
>>43836287
I get that it's a gameism, it's just rather blase.
>>43823317
They call it "tacticool" but I'm just wondering who found it cool in the first place.
>>43826750
>Why are there two barrels?
>>43824025
>why don't the bullets line up with the barrels?
Because the artist knows exactly dick about how firearms work. And likely as much about mechanical function as well. Just look at that automatic sorter and try to figure out how it would even work.
There is some thing to be said for the rule of cool, and bending or breaking the rules of design and function. But you should at least know a little about the rules you are breaking.
>>43836256
The high end material aspect of the corporation control is really important, thank you for pointing that out to me. The most valuable targets would be processing plants, Refineries and Distribution hubs for those finiky super Cyber stuff.
>"fire and forget" terrorist cyberzombies
this sounds hard core as fuck. Makes me think of some crazy fuckers using semi-trucks packed full of Cyber Zeds with IED's hooked to their cores and given like... molotoves, grenades or other easy to use mass damage weaponry. Just slip a few trucks through customs to one of the mega cities and choose your target. Want to cost the stock market a thousand point drop, payed in blood? Want to remind the Ultra rich that their parks are not safe? want to Fuck up an important buisness/political rally? park and unload. Maybe with 'pop' out sides that just fall down to act as ramps on all sides to let the monsters out en-mass
Maybe mix it up with some Bio-punk augs or have the ZEd's be Clinic rejects shuffled away after they fall into comas due to implant rejection?
>>43834462
>>43834427
>>43834402
Wonderful
>>43832527
>I've spent so much time on /k/
And yet you learned nothing. I wish I could say that is surprising, but it's not.
>that pic actually hurts my brain
Thankfully, it must be a small rather dull sort of pain.
>>43833730
I'm flashbacking to the Marty stories where he nerfed and banned everything except katanas, and stuff.
