Blue can do that edition
RESOURCES
http://www.mtgcommander.net
>Official Site: Contains deck building rules and the current ban list.
http://www.tappedout.net
>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck’s strategy and card choices.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh
>Another resource for commander discussion; they have an entire forum dedicated to discussing decks. People often make primers, which go into detail about how they built and play their deck.
http://www.edhrec.com/
>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet.
http://manabasecrafter.com/
>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen Commander’s color identity.
CARD SEARCHING
http://gatherer.com
>Official search site. Current for all sets but has a terrible UI.
http://www.magiccards.info
>Unofficial, but has GOAT search interface
First for Meren a best
First for underrated Amazonians
![635822498039316301[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/M1dqRAV.jpg "635822498039316301[1].jpg")
Third for giant ghost jew
How does one build a Jhoira artificer deck without having to resort to Obliterate + Eldrazi? I love the idea because that's what she is. An artificer.
I was planning on getting the BW precon, but it sucks so much balls I'm probably just going to pick up Karlov, Daxos and a couple other singles later on.
I'm still pretty keen on getting a precon though, which has the best staples between GB, GU, or RW?
>>43728345
I just noticed that she is being attacked by what seems to be like Akroans.
Why? If she's a Disciple of Iroas, she would be protecting Akros...
>>43728384
Suspend Blightsteel
Timebug Blightsteel
Whispersilk Blightsteel
>>43728401
>Iroas thinks the Akroans are growing pasty and fat, being unfit worshipers for the God of Victory
>Sends a giant to tech them a lesson
First for crazy insect shenanigans.
>>43728510
Oh, right. Greek Gods, they're all cunts.
>>43728441
Blightsteel worries me because of Bribery.
>>43728126
For as long as I've played Magic I've only really played Bant related colors, mostly always with some form of white. I picked up the Meren deck because she seems fun but I am at a lost when it comes to knowledge of good black cards to use with her.
How do I into black, guys.
>>43728592
If it's big in your meta just don't talk about it being in your deck pre-game. Also forget about game two if anybody sees it.
>>43728635
Just play Chainer, and look at every black card recommended on EDHREC.
>>43728401
Because a functional, flavorful Akroan deck would make me happy and Wizards can't have that.
So is /tg/ finally done speculating about Bismuth mana?
>>43729002
I still believe it's just exclusively colorless mana. It makes the most sense.
>>43728384
That card clearly says that she's a human wizard.
>>43729002
>>43729010
There shouldn't be any "speculation" it's not like any of the spoiled cards are unclear. Cards can require specifically colorless mana, like any color. It's not spec-bait dumbasses.
If a creature that was brought back from the graveyard by Diabolic Servitude that has Undying is sent to the graveyard, what would trigger first? Diabolic Servitude's effect or Undying?
>>43729109
They both trigger but you chose the order it's put on the stack.
>>43728663
The real problem is that Jhoira already exists in the meta. They know what to expect. In want them to bribery me and just sort of go "... What the fuck bus this shit..."
>>43729109
someone correct me if I am wrong, but as they both trigger at the same time, you get to place the order of them on the stack.
>>43729082
>There shouldn't be any "speculation" it's not like any of the spoiled cards are unclear.
Except they are? I didn't mean to go this far off-topic but I don't see where you're coming from whatsoever.
>>43729011
Sure, and she is in fluff, too. She's also an artificer in fluff. In fact, this is straight from the wiki:
>Jhoira was a Shivan artificer of the Ghitu tribe who studied at the Tolarian Academy.
http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Jhoira
>>43729145
>>43729172
Thanks! But that would mean if I chose for Undying to trigger the creature would return to the battlefield and be immediately exiled or would Diabolic Servitude fizzle out and just stay on the battlefield?
>>43729343
Undying would remove the creature from diabolic servitude, and servitude should return to your hand.
>>43729343
I'm not 100% sure, but what I think would happen is that Undying resolves first and returns the creature to the battlefield, then Diabolic Servitude exiles a card that's no longer in the graveyard and returns to your hand. This is because Diabolic Servitude doesn't replace the dying trigger with an exile, it just moves shit around.
I might be wrong, though, you might want to ask a judge.
>>43729307
>Reading Magic fluff
Fuck off Vorthos
>>43729501
You're goddamn right I'm Vorthos, and there's nothing you can do to stop me.
Also, see this iconic banned card without even having to read the fluff.
>Jhoira, Artificer.
>>43728126
Post cards that should have been in Daxos' deck.
>>43730923
>>43730923
Greed obviously. Works on every level.
>>43731175
>>43730923
>>43731076
There's a shitload of amazing, and even budget, echantments in BW. Whomever designed this deck didn't give a shit.
>>43731267
But anon this is bad in commander
>>43731325
At least you got aura of silence, one of the best ever
So why are random enchantments being dumped?
Can't we instead complain how Kiora hasn't gotten a big-ass UG legendary pet-octopus to play her completely on-flavor with the other sea monsters on-color?
>>43730923
A good deck
Seems pretty dead but I'd like to ask what some must adds for a deck that is focusing on +1/+1 counters would need, just bought the u/g precon and am making Vorel the commander instead.
>>43732011
If you have the money to burn,doubling season. Other vorel cards include stuff like orochi hatchery, fathom mage, master biomancer. Hydra's are nice, primarily primordial and kalonian. Gyre Sage as well, but I'm not a huge fan of mana dorks.
>>43732075
Awesome how expensive does doubling season run?
>>43732230
I usualyl see it between 15 and 30€. Dollar prices should be around that range, too.
>>43732230
Checking prices right now, it says 30 bucks for a modern masters version.
>>43732248
>>43732257
Well dang, ill make a list of what i have when i get home for replacers
>>43732281
Parallel Lives and Primal Vigor are probably the best replacements you can get, though Vigor also counts for your opponents.
Just picked up pic related for my sharuum combo deck. Thinking of changing it to an engine build or just making another deck already.
Whats a good BUG general?
>>43732302
Ya it looks pretty cool i tried to stay away from anything super duper degenerate, biomancer + progenitor is too much fun i call it calculus combo
Anything better than a temur battlerage for my Prossh deck?
>>43732382
Damia for competitive good stuff.
Mimeoplasm forFun
>>43732423
really most things, use brawn if you really need trample
>>43732382
Damia is probably the strongest if she survives even a single turn
>>43732404
Chasm Skulker can also end up being incredibly devastating, especially if you run Stormtide Leviathan. It absolutely tears ass apart.
Playing every fetchland that can fetch either a Forest or Swamp in Mazirek. Good or bad idea?
>>43732754
it puts counters on your guys, how in any way is that bad?
>>43732754
Normally that's honestly a waste, but on Swampbug it gives you counters, so it's fine.
>>43732754
You should be running all 9 fetches anyway
>>43732796
Figured I'd get a second opinion. Was torn between more fetchlands or more utility lands.
>>43731432
desu I bought the deck for Phyrexian Arena, Black Market, Aura of Silence, Grasp of Fate, Daxos and Karlov.
The rest is meh at best.
>>43732754
>>43732803
>>43732815
I mean I run all 7 in GB because they synergize with life from the loam, and because I already have them
>>43730957
>Ian Miller will never illustrate another magic card
Why live bros?
>>43733047
In the vein of dumping on his precon, here's my attempt at brewing him with some minor pillow fort stuff in it. I know it's not that great, but I still like it since I was able to brew something like this within the hour.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/daxos-the-perturbed/
If I have Konda's Banner attached to a legendary Changeling and I have other changelings out, do they get +1/+1 for every creature type?
>>43733147
no, it only says if they do get +1/+1, not +1/+1 for each creature type they share
>>43733182
Alright, thanks.
>>43733182
This
>>43728126
>Playing Mogis.
>Cow of Slaughter is on board. play Mycosynth Lattice.
>No counters.
>Play Damnation.
>No counters.
>Play Null Rod.
>Narset whines like a pig, Titania Tops for an asnwer finding notthing, Zurgo doesn't understand what's going on.
>20 turns of "draw, go" he finally calls me an asshole and picks his stuff up.
What's your favorite EDH moment so far?
>>43733191
>Playing Kothophed vs Phage and Toshiro Umezawa.
>T1 swamp into sol ring, everyone else just plays a land.
>T2, play swamp and lotus petal into Batterskull. Noone ddoes anything and it goes around the table.
>T3, play my third land into gilded lotus and then unstable obelisk.
>T4, the phage player ups and quits after I put down kothophed and smokestack and says that '"I didn't know your deck was so hardcore" and then decides to pull out control flying men edric next game.
>That game I had only started with one land in hand.
That was the fastest game I've played with Kothophed yet, made me realize how slow the meta was at my college compared to back home.
>>43731216
Oh god, Sun Titan + Angelic Renewal. I need to make my brother aware of this.
>>43733191
I was Jund Artifact deck/ Shattergang Bros, play Mycosynth Lattice and Shattering spree with a single Hangarback walker spawning thousands of thopters, sacking the thopters for mana to supply shattering spree.
Enemy brought out all color general, Horde of Notions and Encahnted it out it's ass, destroy all enchantments before making him sack the Horde of Notions, he counters it- I cast Fork, copying his counter spell to counter his counter spell. He gets up off the table and holds bleeding ass as he waddles to his car.
How are people in this thread not shitting themselves over the spoiled cards?
>>43733191
>not IMMEDIATELY trying to stop mycosynth lattice
The desrve everything they got
>>43733399
Kozilek really isn't all that interesting. Mirror pool requires you play an additional type of basics which isn't a good idea, turning two color decks into three color decks with colorless lands that don't give you any additional benefits. Time will tell if Wizards give a good incentive to run Wastes in edh, but until then, I'm wary.
>>43733399
Because besides the basic colorless for colorless generals, there's not much to be hyped about.
So for the past few months I made a neat deck and always and only won through Kokusho and Phage alone. It's happen so much that no one plays me or leaves potential 3+ games if I use this deck.
What do?
All my other decks suck and I love this one too much.
>>43733399
I want to understand how they really work before I say anything. Right now, I'm not sure. I'm wondering if they'll really be 'colorless' lands or 'eldrazi mana', so I dunno.
>>43733147
>tfw no WUBGR Changeling Legend
>>43733112
>There will never be art as great as Ice Age and Mirage block again
Thats one of my favorites by him
RKF is godly as well
>>43733399
They're notthing amazing. At most "lol new color", at worst it's just snow plus a colorless basic for Karn/Kozilek.
>>43733492
This was happening to me with Drana, since it was my Duel Commander deck it's cutthroat. I started building Gisa in a way that it could be an easy going midrange deck but rattlesnake big damage in case someone is being a faggot, and then did the same with Daxos.
Since all 3 decks together use only 199 different cards I just bough a couple of same-color Dragon Shields and made an EDH toolbox instead of buying 3x Demonic Tutor, 2x Cabal Coffers, etc.
>>43733439
>Mirror pool requires you play an additional type of basics which isn't a good idea
I feel like that symbol just means *only colorless mana*. That makes the most sense anyway. And if that's the case, most decks use non basics that produce colorless.
>>43733480
Really? Kozilek and mirror pool look amazing to me.
>get focused out last week because politics
>tune up the list a bit this week
>get ahead on board and armageddon
reminder that fun is a zero sum game
i'm going to be hated out for the next couple of weeks but it was incredibly worth it to hear the salty sarcasm and eerie silence.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/-omnath-locus-of-rage-/
Omnath, Locus of Landfall and Lightning Bolts. Always looking for advice and stuff. Its been testing out well online.
>>43733997
Should have played Wrath of God for maximum awkward silence.
>>43733399
They're alright but nothing I'd go crazy over. It really depends on what exactly "<>" signifies. Other than that it's cool that Colorless decks finally got a basic land and Newzilek is interesting enough that I'll at least make an attempt to build it.
>>43734081
I haven't been paying attention to this shit, has it been commented on that the set symbol is the thing above Kozi's shoulders?
This pretty much confirms it in my mind, either that or Wizards needs to hire the fake artist immediately.
>>43733888
Damn, nice dubs/trips confirming the god-tier art of Ice Age/Mirage and how good RKF was
I still get compliments from new players on my Mirage/Ice Age swamps and islands.
>>43734081
I had a plan in mind friend, I don't think I'd ever cast Armageddon without being insanely ahead on board.
>>43733997
>fun is a zero sum game
Only if you have that specific attitude which, quite frankly, is toxic.
>>43734306
I prefer to think of it this way:
it's zero sum if the people you play with don't like playing with you anyway.
I've played with people who have no problem playing through an armageddon if it clearly is going to lead to a won game or is running counter to ramp. I've also been crucible stripmined turns 1 and 2 into a puzzle box chains of Mephistopheles lock on turn 3. play with people you enjoy playing with and it's always fun
>>43733997
0 = FP1 + FP2 + FP3...
FP1 = -(FP2 + FP3...)
Playing of a card from player 1 -> Players reaction
FP1 - (FP2 + FP3...) + Delta Fun = 0
Delta Fun = FP1 - (FP2 + FP3...)
Is there a Planeswalker that I wouldn't want to immediately use the Ultimate ability of given the chance?
tonight we did 5 man EDH using out of the box precons and we all agreed to use the exp counter commander. kalemne ended up being a surprise power house due to lack of board wipes and general targeted removal among the precons.
I got stuck playing daxos and spent ~20 turns doing nothing. the UG player didn't get to do anything all game because ezuri's deck is shit out of the box, it really came down to RW slam dunking on people with commander damage and UR taking 10 minutes to resolve his turns.
UR won.
>>43734680
Vraska probably, I'd much rather use her -3 to pop something
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Shit's $15 already.
is it seriously that good?
>>43734731
nobody wants to buy the RW deck to get it is the only reason it's expensive
>>43728126
Hey, I'm going down to Loganville, GA tomorrow and gonna be there most of the day. Anyone live anywhere nearby or know of a gamestop near there? It's not too far from Atlanta but I'm not sure if it's worth going into the city proper
>>43734731
Equip Mulldrifter in a 4 man game.
>>43734773
>gamestop
rofl i'm tired. meant LGS.
>>43734774
I'm playing Nekusar.
>>43734787
What does that have to do with drawing six cards?
>>43734787
Equip it to Dragon Mage, you shit.
>>43734731
If you read the text, you'd realize that Blade of Selves is probably one of the best commander made cards ever and definitely worth the price.
>>43734731
It's a mix of >>43734755 and >>43734920
How much value outside of BoS is there? Tempted to just pick up the precon instead of dropping $15 on a single.
I hate everything.
>>43734946
Gisela is 3 and... uh.
Magus of the Wheel - $5
Anya, Merciless Angel - $3
Kalemne, Disciple of Iroas - $2
Sun Titan - $2
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight - $3
Blade of Selves - $14
Lightning Greaves - $4
Urza's Incubator - $4
Fiery Confluence - $3
Alright, so there's enough value in it if you pick it up at MSRP.
>Draw 7
>3 lands, a mana rock, Kiki-Jiki, Restoration Angel and Wrath of God
My balls are aching and I am gonna make a magic waifu in tk17 and watched her get BLACKED.
Which waifu should get the D, I was thinking Braids or Akroma
>>43735146
Akroma was canonically blacked.
>>43734680
Nahiri? Her +2 and -2 are a whole lot more useful than a double strike sword.Skullclamp+Nahiri OTP
>>43735284
>tfw purest whitest waifu
>>43735327
>pure
She herself said that she lived thousand of years and had many lovers before going into solitude.
>>43735351
>many lovers
>>43735351
It doesn't matter so long as she wasn't fucking all of them at the same time.
>>43735217
What? By who?
>>43735380
>being with a slut sullied by even a single cock
keked as fuk famster
>>43734991
>>43734946
>>43734731
Don't fucking buy it at 15 some faggot speculator is trying to drive up the market price.
If this commander set is anything like the last one it will have a massive print run and prices will plummet. Wait a few months after the Holidays put more cards into the market.
![Image[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/q4rkcQE.jpg "Image[1].jpg")
Can this card deal first strike damage, then tap for an additional 1 damage before normal combat damage?
>>43731244
Fuck, this would be filthy in Daxos.
>>43735706
Not as filthy as Elspeth's finger when she was tickling his prostate and slurping his balls while he slapped her slutty face with his fat uncut cock
>>43735615
I'm assuming this is bait but I'll bite.
Not just no but hell no.
>Haste (can attack and tap as soon as it enters the battlefield)
>And tap
The act of attacking without vigilance taps the creature. It's tapped before blockers are even declared
Which one of these is the best commander overall?
>>43735723
Oh come one, Anon.
That was an unnecessary disgusting post.
>>43735535
>Not following the steps of Temujin
I thought it was international MEN's day today, not pussy faggot beta day.
Doesn't matter what has gone in before so long as you can pull out a healthy scion of your own now, that's what women are for.
>>43735740
>not jerking off to Daxos' fat stink piston impaling Eslpeth's cockslurping cumhole
>>43735615
If it has vigilance, it can.
>Kamahl+Serra's Blessing OTP
>>43735734
>Damia if playing control though she's great as a goodstuff commander.
>Sidisi if playing zombie tribal or reanimator
>Tasigur if you're playing value goodstuff or just goodstuff.
>>43735734
Damia.
So I just impulse bought Swell the Host, or rather arranged to buy it through someone at Hasbro if it becomes available...
A lot of me is screaming, wow, what a terrible idea, you already have enough magic cards incl. trade fodder, you don't need to buy into more EDH crap that's hard to move into other formats, why are you buying anything that's not singles that you want for a specific deck for a specific reason in a specific playgroup, etc, etc
But I really miss owning a Caller of the Claw, and probably wouldn't be able to justify the expense of picking one up any other way... and Command Beacon + High Market + Reliquary Tower is probably a pleasant land package to have (~$10), Eternal Witness + Skullwinder + Verdant Confluence is probably a pleasant recursion package to have (~$7), and I guess I can justify spending a bit more than that on random chaff, idk
I'm just feeling pretty pleased about myself for trading crap like Rhystic Study, Impulse, Dissolve, Mystic Remora, Opt, Reliquary Tower, etc (which I got for nearly free in a large box of commons) into an Exploration (and other crap to cover up the exchange) so I felt like I could splurge, idk
anyway thanks for reading my blog i'll fade into obscurity now
Ok, so I'm building Ezuri Manadork.dec. How many druid dorks is too many?
>>43735870
You need at least 1 land to play the first dork.
>>43736047
Shit, you're right.
http://deckstats.net/deck-8362746-353ba10d7720f27b317fc38ddbb4b6b6.html
trying for an ezuri morph/token. what are some of the staples you guys would consider for thius type of deck?
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>>43730923
>>43736241
Chasm Skulker and Hooded Hydra for shitloads of tokens.
Evolutionary Leap to make good use of your tokens and trigger the two aforementioned.
Deadeye Navigator to continuously trigger ETBs and Ezuri's ability.
Draining Whelk and/or Mystic Snake for reusable counters with Deadeye.
Master Biomancer and/or Bloodspore Thrinax to give counters to all your things at once and not just one.
Pathbreaker Ibex and/or Craterhoof Behemoth as a finisher.
Acidic Slime for removal.
Hornet Queen turns into at least a 7/7 flyer wih 4 1/1s with deathtouch if you have Ezuri out.
Inexorable Tide gives you a ton of extra counters for free.
>>43736241
>Get 4 experience counters and Ezuri
>Cast Sage of Hours
>Get your 5th experience counter
>Go to combat, put 5 counters on Sage of Hours
>Remove them for an extra turn
>????
>>43736642
thats the plan. figured thats a pretty good win con, infinite turns and such
New edh player, I bought all the new 2015 decks to ave a decent starting base. Since my store still has the 2014 decks in store, are some of them worth buying (value-vise)?
>>43736379
I wish this had flash.
Why does Damnation cost 7x more than Wrath of God? Is it because Wrath has been reprinted so many times, or is black that desperate for board clear?
>>43736772
>No one else wanted to buy them
>Are they good
Answered your own question desu senpai.
>>43736784
Well, some of the 2014 decks had some pretty decent reprints in them, at least.
>>43736779
Once you go black, you never go back.
>>43736804
Haha, but no, really, don't buy them they're garbage.
>>43736824
Once you go white, you're playing with shite.
>>43734731
>Useless in 1v1
>Wont work on legends
>Doesn't copy auras, counters, other effects on that creature
>Tokens are exiled and not sacked
Fucking worthless. Absolutely worthless. Myriad is one of the worst keywords I have seen in a long long time. I mean for fucks sake look at that wall of text. So many fucking words for basically nothing of worth.
>>43736840
>Wont work on legends
The thing is stupid on Zegana.
>>43736784
Since the store doesn't have that many customers, I thought they bought to many packs. Seems I will have to buy Wurmcoil engine as a single in this case.
>>43736851
There are better ways to get EBT effects. Also
>Useless in 1v1
This is why will of the council had a draw effect.
>>43736864
If it's useless in 1v1, that should tell you that people aren't buying it to use in 1v1.
>>43736873
Its still a major drawback of the card.
>>43728345
How is the singularly most boring legend printed since well, legends, underrated? It's impossible to rate her low enough.
>>43736873
It's still going to be useless once the board is down to you and the last other player, which will eventually happen.
>>43736772
Daretti is incredibly decent for a precon and has a lot of value. Ob and Freyalise both have a lot of good stuff but are sloppily thrown together and have no real synergy or gameplan. White has some toys if you want equipment cards, blue is meh.
>>43736772
Black, Red and Green are very playable out of the box and give you a lot of cards worth building with.
White is kinda shitty but has an expensive Legacy card so if you get it cheap it's nice.
Blue is crap.
>>43729010
What makes the most sense is it functions like any colored mana symbol: can be satisfied with mana of that color/symbol, and nothing else.
If they hadn't made cards that actually produce salt mana, then the "only colorless mana" people might have a point, but mirrorpool basically disproves your theory.
>>43736910
>expensive
Nigger in a format with dual lands and Force of Will, Containment Priest is little more than a blip on the radar.
>>43729147
DRAGONSTORM
You can kill people with Dragon Tempest and other ETB triggers. I worked out the math, and storm 7 lets you do something like 70 damage in a turn just off ETBs.
![Image[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/pdYn0Vq.jpg "Image[1].jpg")
Holy kek why did early Magic have such retarded cards?
I'm looking for ways to get around Protection from Red. I play monored a lot, with Ashling being my favorite deck to play. Which comes the problem, our resident Sliver Overlord player tutoring for Ward Sliver. I've already got the red Leyline but the chance of it staying out is slim and I'm looking for additional methods to fuck the stupid slivers in their ass.
>>43736919
In my eyes it's a design change. They've been bitching about the lack of distinction between generic and colorless mana since at least Time Spiral, and I assume all instances of "1 colorless mana" will be replaced with the diamond.
>>43736929
Compared with the average precon value, it's made of gold.
>>43736964
>Flusterstorm
>Toxic Deluge
Nah senpai.
>>43736942
They originally designed Magic to be fun. But we can't handle fun, we turned it into an economy. So we deserve what we ended up with.
That guy who was making a +1/+1 counter deck with Vorel here, im missing a few obvious ones but what are some cards that should go for sure?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/20-11-15-vorel-counters/
>>43737270
Where there is supply and demand, economics will always be applicable.
>>43736942
>Holy kek why did early Magic have such fun cards?
Corrected
>>43736964
Didn't the red deck from last year have Wurmcoil Engine in it?
>>43737626
Yes.
>>43737575
Alienating people with physical disabilities isn't fun. Shitlord.
>>43737830
>This post
>Alienating people who can't read English THIS hard
Holy fucking shit could you be more bigoted?
>>43736942
>"There are a few stories about people ripping up Chaos Orbs in the first couple of years after Magic was released. The story is that someone ripped up a Chaos Orb and dropped the pieces onto the playing area in order to hit as many permanents as possible. The player ended up clearing most of the opponent's lands and creatures and won the game shortly afterward. The story says that the player didn't care about the value of the Orb since people didn't realize how valuable cards were going to be, especially the Beta rares. This story might be an urban legend or it might be real. It doesn't really matter since it's a fun story and it led to the creation of Chaos Confetti. I would guess that there is indeed an element of truth to the story.
Imagine if instead of the reserved list, we had a card economy managed by disposable cards. Like the best effects are single shot, and the card must be ripped in half and rendered unusable to use.
Does this sound retarded? Of course it does. But it's still less retarded than the reserved list!
>>43737870
>imagine having fun
Anon I don't think we can handle such a responsibility.
So say my opponents commander is Rubinia. If he takes control of one of my creatures, then blinks it with deadeye navigator, does he now control my creature permanently?
>>43737985
Yes, because it returns it tot he battlefield under his control and not the owners.
>>43737985
Correct. Deadeye Navigator returns the creature to your control, and since it's re-entering, the game considers it an entirely new creature that is under no obligation to return to its owner.
Fun fact, this works on other people's commanders regardless of whether your opponent puts it back in the command zone from Deadeye's exile or not because Deadeye just rips it right back to the battlefield.
Does anyone have that Zedruu alter where Zedruu is made to look like a Picasso Goat?
Would like to use it as a proxy.
Has anyone tried making a pilot-less deck to play against as a group? I've seen the Horde one from theros and the Hydra, but the power levels seem pretty low especially against 2+ opponents in an EDH game.
I'm thinking of making a deck of custom cards loosely based on the Face the Hydra deck (but featuring some Eldrazi abomination instead), anyone have any cool ideas?
>>43738162
Ashling and 99 Mountains
Elves
>>43735734
I like Tasigur, he has some good interaction
>>43738162
This is called Horde Magic. It already exists and can be terrifying as fuck. It's mostly based around tokens. Go look up Horde Magic or Horde Decks and you'll see what the deal is.
>>43728384
how do you say jhoira? joaruh? one guy at my shop says it war-ah like some kind of silent j. idfk.
>>43738311
Joy-ruh
>>43738311
/ˈd͡ʒɒJ̯ɹə/, most likely.
>>43738333
what the fuck is that mess?
>>43735734
Tasigur > Damia > Sidisi
>>43738278
Thanks dude!
>>43735734
Damia outright. Tasigur is pretty good but not even close.
>>43729234
<> taps for <> or generic colorless. Just like a Swamp taps for B or colorless. That's it. It's the simplest way to function, and the most rules-friendly. My entire playgroup understood that in seconds. I don't get how to fuck /tg/ is up in arms about this making it 10x more convoluted than it needs to be.
On topic: I'm probably gonna pick up the RU deck, but am not sure if I want the BG or UG. Anyone with the decks wanna give me a quick rundown/review?
>>43738641
Out of the box I think RU/BG are the best.
RU I think is the least fun to play against, because a few counters means they can cast/draw basically whatever the heck they want and will always have a counter/win con
BG can ramp faster with a few good draws, but I think is more manageable as creatures I think are always easier to deal with then, spell slinging.
>>43735728
...is this bait?
It seems like you just went full retard.
Yes it can deal first strike damage, then priority will be received and she can tap to deal a damage.
What the fuck were you even trying to say to that poster? You realize blocking also allows creatures to deal damage, right?
>>43738714
Okay, thanks man. I want to pick up all 5 decks eventually, but I'm only gonna grab 2 today. I already have a Savra deck, so the BG is just going to feed it with some singles after playing it out of the box. I'm still surprised they didn't put Savra in the precon. These decks have much less focus to them compared to last year.
RU and UG are decks I've been meaning to make, but never set aside the time to craft. Arjun looks like silly fun, and I love me a good Sphinx.
>Karlov with Soul Warden on the field
>>43736826
White and red were good.
>>43738831
Are you high, anon? She has to tap to attack. Then first strike damage goes, then regular combat damage. She's tapped the whole time. She would need vigilance to tap after attackers are declared.
You are the reason the /tg/ is bad at Magic meme exists you fucking scrub.
>>43736864
>This is why will of the council had a draw effect
What?
>>43738892
Woah woah woah. It could be bait, m8, but lets just assume the dude is a newfriend and teach him. Stop being the cancer you hate.
>>43735734
I have a friend who plays Sidisi self-mill with no reanimator
He goes balls-deep with attacking, makes a gigantic army of tokens and most often loses on draw. It's awful and hilarious to watch and he knows it
>>43738892
SHE
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>>43738892
Who the fuck said anything about attacking? The poster didn't say anything to even suggest the card was already tapped.
>You are the reason the /tg/ is bad at Magic meme exists you fucking scrub.
It's really awkward when you say that after saying really stupid shit.
>>43738892
This is actually bait, right?
>>43738641
Swamps don't tap for colorless. Black mana can be spent for colorless, but swamps don't tap for colorless.
Why are people so fucking thin-skinned these days?
>play Derevi
>Prophet gets removed literally within two other turns as it should be
>people bitch about it the whole game
>red Ashling
>they always cast their big turn sideways guy right when I'm at a decent number of counters
>waah why did you have to kill him
>man I'd rather play against Derevi than that
>Jhoira
>oh shit she'll have a dragon on turn 9 kill her
>not even any extra turn bullshit in the deck, very casual
>Noyan Dar of all fucking things
>jeez anon your turns take forever
>casually mention MLD
>the entire fucking table starts ranting
The fuck do they want me to do?
>>43739077
just play scion hermit druid tbvh imho family
>>43739077
You can't possibly be complaining that people targeted a Jhoira deck.
Do you also recognize the irony about bitching about other people's thin skin?
>>43739172
I am, and yes. When I see Prossh, Animar, Slivers, and Kruphix himself regularly my known casual decks being targeted is silly. Poor threat assessment is my pet peeve.
>>43739225
Those generals were also in the match? You might have a point then.
I see a lot of people complain about that assessment, but are actually just mad that people targeted them (even if they were the biggest threat), so I tend to be sceptical. People tend to under evaluate their own threat.
>>43739266
It would be one thing if I played Jhoira like everyone else and my playgroup actually knew how good Jhoira could be, but mine is basically dragon/leviathan tribal and that's all they know.
>>43739225
>new-daxos player was ignored for ~15 turns while the rest of us were at each others' throats
>he now has an army of 8/8 tokens and a little enchantment fort going on
>locus of rage player casts green sun zenith
>I urge him to find bane of progress and wipe daxos off the table
>naaaaah he's going to get titania and try to combo out with perilous forays
>EXCEPT ONE CYCLE INTO HIS COMBO HE FINDS OUT DERP DERP I'M OUT OF BASICS
people either can't fucking think or just don't want to fucking think.
>>43739311
So who won?
>>43739311
It's amazing that Daxos even survived that long. Who were the other generals and what were they doing for three games worth of turns?
>Sliver player Living Death's into half his fucking deck, missing only haste to win that turn against four other players
>resident retard casts Scrap Mastery even after I tell him that I am likely the only one who can stop the sliver onslaught and require the artifacts out to do it
I just don't understand.
>>43739357
new-daxos went alpha strike at newzuri and nezuri played mirror match, wiped daxos off the board anyway. and because one of the copies was a doomwake giant and there were several enchantment tokens ETB with it the whole board pretty much got wiped except for ezuri. ezuri went on to win after that with an enormous viral drake.
mirror match is some bullshit.
>>43739399
Mirrormatch is such a great color pie obeying card. It represents blue getting access to a combat step teamwipe, through the mechanics clearly in blue's pie: clone generation.
Meanwhile, green constantly breaks the color pie by using its mechanics of token generation and fighting to blow people out on an empty board.
>>43734731
I think it's someone trying to do a buyout for a card you only really need one of for a casual format, and will probably drop in the next week
>>43739459
If all colors had multiple cases of the former there would be no problem Mark.
>>43739399
>Daxos vs Mizzix
>We are neck and neck, but I just gained a small lead by playing doomwake and triggering it with some 5/5 daxos spirits. I have enough to swing for game next turn.
>Mizzix draws,and plays rite of replication
>5 giants enter the field
>mfw
>>43738971
>red
>blocking
Okay.
>>43739023
>>43739005
No, you guys are right, I fucked up and didn't consider the full breadth of what the poster was originally asking.
>>43739510
You know, I hadn't thought of using daxos to trigger constellation. I remember there was a neato Pharika deck that used constellation to kill people's lands. Daxos can't do the same, but it could probably do something neat.
>>43739360
>>resident retard casts Scrap Mastery even after I tell him that I am likely the only one who can stop the sliver onslaught and require the artifacts out to do it
That sounds like a case of "I don't want you to win, so go fuck yourself".
>>43739629
There is no winning in our games.
>>43739599
honestly it's the only thing I think he really has going for him. I am hoping wizard will print some neater constellation triggers.
How does the Pharika deck use constellation to destroy lands?
>>43739648
He made a living lands type deck. So He turns all lands into 1/1, and then uses Doomwake Giant.
Alternatively, Night of Souls' Betrayal.
>>43739686
I figured it would be something like that, I just assumed a constellation trigger would be a inefficient way to do that.
>>43734680
Sorin, LoI
His Ult sometimes isn't the best move.
>>43739537
>No, you guys are right, I fucked up and didn't consider the full breadth of what the poster was originally asking.
Good on you for admitting when you're mistaken, anon. You have my respect.
if you make a token copy of a creature that has infect through grafted exoskeleton, will the copy also have infect?
One side says yes, because the equipment grants the creature that ability, the other says no because it doesn't sound right. idk.
>>43740060
Come on anon.
>>43740060
short answer no,
only the creature with the equipment has that ability
Long answer
When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original object's characteristics... the "copiable values" are the values derived from the text printed on the object (that text being name, mana cost, card type, subtype, supertype, expansion symbol, rules text, power, toughness, and/or loyalty...Other effects (including type-changing and text-changing effects), status, and counters are not copied
>>43740060
gatherer ruling on clone
>7/1/2012 Clone copies exactly what was printed on the original creature and nothing more (unless that creature is copying something else or is a token; see below). It doesn't copy whether that creature is tapped or untapped, whether it has any counters on it or Auras attached to it, or any non-copy effects that have changed its power, toughness, types, color, or so on.
I'm inclined to say no, it won't copy the infect ability if the creature didn't have it originally.
>>43736830
>favorite cards are white
>bought the white precon late last month as an entry point
>mono white edh is almost always subpar and requires the most expensive staples in its color to keep up
I'm still gonna finish this nahiri deck though.
Also fuck whoever decided to make Jazal a call warrior instead of a cat soldier. Holy shit, if he was a soldier I could fucking use him for Konda's Banner for cat and soldier tribal but naw. Brimaz is a fucking king and is still a soldier.
>>43736779
A taste of White's superior removal is too good to pass up. Oh and it's only been printed twice.
>>43733509
Just wait for Return to Lorwyn when wizards will fail to reprint it.
>>43740421
>Just wait for Return to Lorwyn
Yeah, you'll be waiting a LONG time for that
>>43740453
but will it be before or after Return to Kamigawa?
>>43740499
After. Apparently Lorwyn and Kamigawa are amongst the most unpopular blocks. Mainly because of Wizards' own doing, Kamigawa was underpowered and gimmicky as shit, and Lorwyn overstayed its welcome with 4 sets and tried a tribal theme that only one tribe took good (read: ridiculous) advantage from.
That being said I can see Kamigawa coming back before Lorwyn since it's older, if it ever does.
>>43738536
>>43735734
What about mimeo?
>>43731236
Haha, someone else likes this shit card.
I know it ultimately amounts to a lucky charm, but god damn do I like it.
still fairly new to mtg. but my question is can new ezuri place his counters on creatures without anyone every attacking?
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Slowly finding all of the sweet tech for Isperia. It's pretty much just fliers with nice abilities, but damn son Sky Hussar doesn't even need to be CAST. Easily the best find so far isDrift of Phantasmsbecause holy fuck.
>>43740677
Yes, its triggers at the beginning of the combat phase. Nothing states you have to swing after that point.
Thing to remember, is you go through all phases regardless if you actually do anything in them.
>>43740700
>Drift of Phantasms
I'm missing something here
>>43740722
>>43740677
Unless you skip your combat phase, a la Blinding Angel or Stonehorn Dignitary.
>>43740809
Isperia hitting you lets me have any 3 mana card in my deck come to hand. Council's Judgement, Detention Sphere, Rhystic Study, or I could just turn it into another tutor and grab something bigger. That's some bullshit utility right there.
>>43736931
How? That astounds pretty rad.
>>43738311
Like Moira
>>43736950
Can always make Ashling a different color with something like Distortion Lens. Otherwise, you have stuff like Flaring Pain and Skulkcrack. There's colorless removal options, too.
>>43739537
http://magiccards.info/query?q=o%3Adefender+c%21r&v=card&s=cname
post rite of replication stories. it's like top 5 funnest cards in EDH
i've done some really crazy ones but I think my favorite one was this
>two hour game
>down to last two players
>we're both in top deck mode and have empty boards
>he casts a terastodon and blows up 3 of his lands for elephant tokens
>I have 21 life so i've got two turns to find an answer
>top deck rite of replication
>make 5 terastodons and blow up all of my lands for elephant tokens, and some of his too
>we clash elephants, but I emerge victorious by sheer number
my 2nd favorite is beating a guy to death with an army of mulldrifters under basically the same circumstance
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