Mommy I can buy an entire Space Marine Legion in one box Edition!
Horus Heresy/Great Crusade/30k General!
Rulebooks link:
https://mega.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ!EVh0GZZS
Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Guard
Second for Dorn is a shit and the dangles are traitors.
>>43681017
You. I like you.
>>43680762
am I the only one magnetizing my Legion so that I can competitively/completely use them in 40k as well?
As an example, I magnetized each sarge so that they can mix and match Bolters, Chainswords, Pistols, Combi-weapons, fists, claws, and PW.
I might have gone overboard in magnetizing the shoulder pads so that they can turn from ravenguard into black-ultramarines for playing 40k though. Man is magnetizing a shoulder pad a pain in the ass.
It'll probably be worth it in the end to have an army that I can use viably in any format though.
Horus Heresy Era Battlefleet Gothic and Epic coming eventually.
>>43681201
have fun with your guys popping about in the middle of games. Magnetizing is good and all but yeah you've gone overboard.
>>43681304
they are big magnets (3mm and 2mm), and I matched the polarity so that they all pull towards the center of the model (they interact with eachother, as an example, the magnets in the shoulderpad and the arm and torso are all in a line with polarizations that match)
Only 2 sarges have been magnetized, 2 guys with special weapons, and 16 guys with just a shoulderpad.
>>43681262
How will they do some of those ships? A Infernus class Battleship is 17km from bow to stern, a Gloriana is 26, and an Abyss Class is at least 100. They'd be colossal.
>>43680762
Does anyone have the two new HH Novels, Unburdened and Honoured? They're not on the usual sites and I don't want to give BL any money until I've had a chance to read them and see if they're worth my money.
is space marine legion tac squad bolter spam any good?
>>43682984
Yes, tac squads are a solid option in HH.
I always run a 20 man tac squad.
>>43681017
We are not traitors. ):
What would you take in a apoc level 30k game /tg/?
Let's say 7,500 points.
I can't decide between Night Lords or Raven Guard /hhg/, help me.
>>43683463
A Warlord. It would eat up most of the points but it would wipe the floor of virtually everything.
>>43681201
I have been wanting to magnetize shoulder pads for my death-watch figures, so I can just have one of each specialty painted in deathwatch black with interchangeable shoulder pads. How much of a pain in the ass was it?
>>43683540
Night Lords. At least Night Lords are cool when failing.
>Sor Gharax was once a wise war-priest and mentor to his Legion's recruits. Wounded gravely due to the detonation of a Titan upon the volcanic world of 17-17, Sor Gharax was interred in a special cybernetic sarcophagus to preserve his life. This in turn was installed within the shell of a Contemptor Dreadnought, a personal war engine of surpassing potency. The multiple points of articulation built into the Contemptor allowed Sor Gharax to fight at full effect even in the winding arcologies of Calth.
>Sor Gharax's Contemptor is among the finest of its kind, a towering construct that possesses the strength of a dozen Space Marines. Those given the honor of joing the Annunake - a Colchisian term meaning 'Princely Sons' or 'Judges of Hell' - fought at the front line of every major Word Bearers engagement.
>Unfortunately the trauma Sor Gharax experienced upon 17-17 took a grievous toll. He found his objectivity eroded by crashing waves of bitterness, for he saw his incarceration within a war-shell as unbecoming of a true warrior. His chagrin grew to anger, then to madness. By the time he reached Calth, the beloved leader of men that had once been Sor Gharax was dead, though his body lived on. In its place was little more than a raging, hate-filled monster intent on murder alone.
>>43681262
Seems more like a possibility, not a confirmation.
>>43683463
A long, hard look at myself.
>>43683540
Always Night Lords. Read the Omnibus if you haven't already.
>>43683540
Raven Guard have better rules, but if you're a Night Lord fan and you were upset with how terribly Codex: CSM fits with Night Lords then HH is what you've been waiting for. You get access to night fighting hi-jinks, Sevatar is cool as shit and has a teleporter homer in his weapon, drop pods aplenty, fear actually does stuff because of a lack of ATSKNF, Curze is a spooky beast, and you can gang up and jump smaller squads in melee. You are also a bunch of opportunistic cowards and fall back faster and make Ld checks when your leader dies to see if you decide "screw this I'm going home." The RoW, the legion rules and the buffs from some of the named characters don't always synergize that well either, but it captures the feel of the VII Legion pretty well in my opinion.
Raven Guard is really solid though and captures the cool operator feeling of them pretty well. Corax is okay too. The drop commander dude with the 18" range nuncio vox has great potential for either a deepstrike army or artillery (or both!) The RG RoW also seems pretty cool. Dark Fury squads fuck shit up. All non-jump, non-termie infantry get infiltrate which is super duper cool if you choose to go first because your opponent is still pretty much deploying first anyway.
If you like these two for the fluff, both are represented very well and go with whichever one gets you more worked up thinking about sweet lists for. If you are going for a more competitive army, I'd say pick Raven Guard because it's pretty fucking good.
Is the Leviathan Force Organization Chart a battle forged organization chart or is it just a casual thing?
>>43685480
They suggest it be used in narrative games only or with prior consent among the players.
>>43681991
gothic was never to scale
Couldn't go to sleep, so I created this nifty Word Bearers army list that actually takes Chaos Daemons as it's primary detachment army.
+++++1850 points:
+Primary Detachment: Chaos Daemons+
---HQ---
(Warlord) Samus, Daemon Prince Of The Ruinstorm - 375 points (Warlord)
---Troops---
(10) Pink Horrors of Tzeentch - 90 points
(10) Pink Horrors of Tzeentch - 90 points
---Elites---
(5) Flamers of Tzeentch - 115
+Allied Detachment: The Dark Brethren+
---HQ---
High Chaplain Erebus - 195 points
---Troops---
(10) Legion Tactical Squad - 180 points
-Single Lightning Claw for Sargent
-Artificer Armor for Sargent
-Melta-Bombs for Sargent
---Elites---
(10) Gal Vorbak Dark Brethren - 395 points
-2 Power Weapons
-Tainted Weapon for Dark Martyr
-Artificer Armor for Dark Martyr
-Melta Bombs for Dark Martyr
---Fast Attack---
(10) The Ashen Circle - 335 points
-9 Power Axes
-Artificer Armor for Iconoclast
-Melta Bombs for Iconoclast
---Dedicated Transports---
Legion Tactical Squad
Rhino - 75 points
-Dozer Blade
-Auxiliary Drive
-Extra Armor
-Havoc Launcher
+++++2000 points:
(10) Legion Tactical Squad - 150 points
+++++2500 points:
-Melta Bombs for Tac Squad Sargent - 5 points
-Single Lightning Claw for Tac Squad Sargent - 15 points
-Irridescent Pink Horror upgrades for both squads - 10 points
-Nuncio-Voxs for both Tac Squads - 20 points
-Legion Vexillas for both Tac Squads - 20 points
+-Dedicated Transports-+
Legion Tactical Squad
Rhino - 75 points
-Dozer Blade
-Auxiliary Drive
-Extra Armor
-Havoc Launcher
+-Primary Detachment Lord of War-+
Cor'Bax Utterblight, Daemon Prince of the Ruinstorm - 355 points
+++++3000 points:
-Artificer Armor for Tac Squad Sargent - 10 points
+-Allied Detachment Heavy Support-+
(3) Legion Predator Strike Squadron - 490 points
-Heavy Conversion Beamer
-Dozer Blade
-Auxiliary Drive
-Extra Armor
-Havoc Launcher
-Command Tank Upgrade
>>43685824
Are your conversion beamer preds really that useful if you cant get full range?
>>43685866
Why can't it get full range? Predators have larger range than Vindicators don't they?
>>43685878
You'll rarely get that sweet str 10 shot if you have a proper terrain setup.
>>43685944
Hmmm...if that's true, then maybe a fully beefed up Daemon Prince and Herald of Tzeentch instead of the Preds?
>>43685824
I have no idea what's going with this list. Why do you have two tactical squads in different parts? Why is the army's Lord of War choice not with the army?
1500 points iron warriors list. going against a friend who will bring thousand sons; we are playing in a very crowded urban board
>erasmus golg
>5 terminators: sergeant with lighting claws, 1 lighting claw terminator, 1 chainfist/heavy flamer, 2 chainfist/bolter
>15 tacs: extra close combat weapons, vexilia, sergeant with power fist, melta bomb and combiplasma arteficer armor
>10 veterans: 2 meltas, sergeant with power fist, melta bomb and combimelta arterifcer armor, vexilia
>5 iron havocs with bheavy bolters (sharpnel bolts)
>contemptor dreadnought, assault cannon and chainfist
I have 30 points left. what could I add?
>>43686160
Since their models and rules aren't out yet, what is he actually bringing?
>>43686176
1500 points of crusade list and we add up the following rules:
centurions are level 1 psykers
hatred space wolves
chaplain counts as a librarian
adamantium will
(they can choose from all psychic basic disciplines)
>>43686190
>chaplain counts as a librarian
Why not use actual librarians?
>>43686205
oh well it was just because we all got the betrayl at calth box set
Can daemons be run in 30k and do well?
It seems that unlike the other 40k armies out there they seem to actually be able to run in 30k with little issues, and they even have unique daemonic heroes.
>>43686205
Because he's using BaC like 90% of everyone in these threads.
Frankly Librarian is the most plausible alternative use for the Chaplain model, with Champion in third and basic Centurion fourth.
If Paragon Blades differentiated in the same manner as Power Weapons, who would purchase the following variants for 25pts?
Paragon Cleaver - +3S, AP1, Unwieldy
Paragon Star - +3S, AP3, Concussive
All are Specialist Weapons with Decapitation like a normal Paragon Blade.
It might be immature, and i'm sure I will either get dissenting replies or none at all, but is anyone else a tad disappointed at the plastic BaC release?
Not in terms of the kit (even though they are clunky, limited, 40k reminiscent copies of glorious resin) and not even of the fact that they are mascaraing as a separate board-game (despite everyone knowing it it simply GW's way of attempting to stay relevant in the growing 30k hype).
I'm kinda disappointed and even pissed because what was once a wonderful, fresh, aesthetically stunning, niche part of the overall 40k system has now been blown open to people who previously didn't care at all.
All of these /HHG/ for the past couple of weeks have just been flooded with people asking benign and totally uninformed questions: which legion should I build? What does this do? Recommended load out on x/y/z unit? Fluff questions, painting tips, etc etc.
Most of these I should be alright with, and with some I think I am, but they're incessant. It shows that players and collectors have given no thought, no time and no dedication to their forces. They can't be bothered to even download the free pdf's of the Legion rules from FW scans, they can't be bothered to google painting schemes. But worst of all I think it's that people who have no sincere attachment to a particular legion or aspect of the Horus Heresy now feel that they should bundle in and have a good time.
I should probably make it clear where, or rather, when, I am coming from. Does anyone here remember reading the 3rd Edition books and that little spark of intrigue in you when you heard about the Horus heresy? Remember that White Dwarf series of Legion Astarties, or what it Chapter Approved? The Horus Heresy was a myth, even the official fluff was written in a way where it seemed so shrouded, so forgotten, that only the most fundamental half-truths remained. And them BAM, around 2005 the flood gates began to open...
>Continued
>>43686762
I am just happy that the new set will bring in more people to play HH with.
I hadn't really looked into 30k before, but with the release of BaC it's certainly something I plan on checking out now.
>>43682026
Kickass has them
>>43686762
We began to get new art, new books, new novels. And then the models. The models guys! We knew we were actually going to get the Primarchs, we were going to know what they looked like. We could pick the Legion that had been our favorite for years, the characters that we knew existed in that time, all the Chaos Space Marines when they still fought in the great crusade.
But better, the models and rules for all of it were stunning. Real love, real investment, real thought were going into them. Time after time we could be hyped for every release and not be disappointed. You could stylize your army in any mark of Armour you wanted, and even though it is still taking a while, you know your legion is just around the corner, really.
Everyone I ever met was invested, time, money, effort, emotionally. You knew you had paid for these, and you knew they looked good, so you couldn't fuck it up on your end. Every 30k player I know has put so much time and effort, even if there skill isn't really exemplary, into doing the best for their legion. They read the books, they know the rules.
And Games Workshop just smelt the pussy and had to come and rape it. THAT contemptor. THOSE cataphractii. THOSE pudgy, stupid, not real MkIV. Now everyone can have a piece of the pie, and that's okay, but they don't care as much. They haven't saved up for it. They take shortcuts. Every thing they do will be in MkIV.
I'll have fun, I'll play with fluffy lists as I have always done, I'll laugh and it'll be real and we'll have a good time. But when someone asks if I want to play a 1500 point Age of Darkness game, and I tell them that the system should work at over 2000, I'll think "fuck that poorfag". When I take my army out which cost me £2000 and you bring out an all plastic 40k army, with proxies all over the shop, I'll think "fuck that poorfag". When the one thing you do buy from forgeworld, your primarch is put on the table, and it looks shit, I'll think "FUCK that poorfag"
>>43686762
> muh special secret club
Fuck off
>>43686762
y/e and no.
Kit wise its fantastic.
Community wise, we'll have to wait. If people take it an opportunity to reenact their favorite legions in 30k, thats perfectly fine. Rather than "hey how do I make a powerlist I wanna win all the time" - those people should immiedately be directed to Sons-of-Horus, so they can have a powerful army... if they're actually good at something other than list building.
I originally played 30k, in large part because the 30k AdMech models are fantastic. I am now working on Night-Lords because BaC gave me a push for it - I also have some Resin-dudes for the sake of terror-squads and special characters... but those TL-Volkite Culverins will be waiting for a more worthy model I think having a better close up at the plastic contemptor.
>>43686762
>>43686872
Fucking hell. I'm sorry that the normies discovered your super special awesome game but you sound like you are an elitist prick honestly.
>literally no one in my area plays 40K
>I can only imagine how many less no ones play 30K
Fffffuck.
>>43686872
>complains about using proxies for 30k
>uses plastic 40k models for 30k
baka desu senpai
Making SW Allies for my Militia with the BaC box. This any good?
Praetor:
-Cataprachtii, Paragon Blade, Combi-Melta
142pts.
Terminator Squad (5x):
-Cataprachtii Armour
-3x Combi-Melta, 1x Reaper Autocannon, 3x Lightning Claw, 1x Chainfist
-Sergeant: Lightning Claw, Combi-Melta
248pts.
Tactical Squad (20x):
-Vexilla
-Sergeant: Combi-Plasma
270pts.
Support Squad (5x):
-4x Plasma Gun
-Sergeant: Combi-Plasma
160pts.
Heavy Support Squad (5x):
-5x Missile Launcher
160pts.
1000pts.
Gonna get the FW combi-weapons (for the terminators) and the weapon set with 2 missile launchers, 2 meltas and 2 flamers (for the Heavy Support Squad). Tactical sergeant has the combi-plasma mainly because I plan on using them in 40k as well, so splitting the tactical squad into two grey hunter squads with two plasmas per and combi-plasma sergeants.
>>43686932
Not my army
>>43686897
>>43686907
Poorfags.
That's all that needs to be said.
>>43686938
Right ok. Take assurances from this if nothing else.
This will last a while because it's the new thing and then it might die off.
Even though BAC is now a thing, FW is still insanely expensive for most people. I know a few people who said they were going to start a legion, then they looked up the prices, and then they found out that the game doesn't really start until 2000pts. And they said "nah fuck it."
So the hobby will probably get a surge of interest for a while then die down and stay niche.
>>43686966
>NORMIES GET OUT REEEEEEE
Fuck off.
>>43683604
It's not hard, although it's different from normal magnetization.
Instead of drilling 1mm deep into each surface, drill a miniscule amount into the pad so that you can fix the magnet somewhere and then drill 2mm into the shoulder itself.
try to line up that and any arm magnets together so they all keep eachother attached.
How long until people stop playing 40K/30K at all in person and GW makes some kind of bizarre Android/iOS Warhammer with a real money gachapon to get random units?
>God damn it, I rolled another Squig
>>43686762
>>43686872
I'm sorry your super-special historyfag level game got infected with normies because you couldn't shut up about how much better it was to 40k and a company figured out that shit actually makes money.
>fuck that poorfag
No, fuck you and your "premium shit". Don't like someone using plastic terminators and GW rhinos? Too bad, they existed during the Heresy.
It's like listening to those rivet counting historyfags whine about the number of spokes, the style of webbing or the shape of armoured skirts on their minis, let alone how normies are not taking their super-sirius hobby super-siriously.
>>43687017
>hey anon who wants to play horse heresy, look heres my army led by primarch rainbow dash of the sons of horse
>presents an army of the BAC stuff and a bunch of Dark Vengeance marines plus a broken, unpainted Horus converted with a WHFB horse head
>>43687059
I'm pretty sure that was an actual thing.
Anybody have the picture?
>>43687059
Literally no different than the fat fucking autist with a $20,000 cast army who dresses up to go to the FLGS and uses a laser pointer while loudly declaring every single one of his actions so that all of the other gamers in the store turn and wince at both of you.
Both gigantic faggots.
>>43687059
>implying I haven't played against something like that
>implying I'm gonna get my panties in a twist because my opponent didn't spend thousands of dollars and man-hours making the perfect historical recreation of Legion X, Y or Z at the Battle of Qwerty.
I bet you get mad when someone uses an E8 as a Firefly.
if we cant use 40k models in 30k....
how do we do Imperalis Militia?
although I was just thinking of shoving in some historical plastic kits anyways. they're using laserlocks or whatever!
>>43686978
I was under the impression that this plastic line was NOT limited edition? And therefore the hype train will never end on GW's end of things?
And thanks, was meant really to start a meta-discussion between 30k players rather than buttfluster the fifteen year olds who have only known age of Sigmar and visions.
>>43687124
Oh it's not limited edition. I was just saying that people will look more into it, realise they would have to get another loan and say "nah."
And your attitude is shitty. I am completely on their side.
>ITT: plastic HH is now a bad thing
>>43687140
What does being on the other side entail?
And also, if it is 'unlimited' as opposed to 'limited', then how does the normie hype die down as you said? Surely the kits (and presumably knock-off looking, new plastic 30k tank designs, are far more affordable; it would be exactly the same as slowly building up another army of any kind? (excluding the GW would hike the prices because of the line's affiliation with FW)
>>43687140
It's not THAT hard. With the BaC kit and some conversion bits you can easily get 1000+ pts. If you got any Marine stuff lying around, vehicles and such will easily work in 30k.
>>43687182
What's stopping you from playing against people who have properly invested into their army?
>>43687175
>opposing positions are a bad thing
>meta-dialogue between people already invested in a scene about the changes are a bad thing
>>43687175
No. But stupid faggots are, and that's what these threads have been filled with since Betrayal at Calth opened the floodgates to the bottom-feeders.
>feeling insecure about how other people spend their money on toy soldiers
>>43687208
That is exactly the shitty attitude in my opinion "marine stuff lying about", just proxy things, easily work.
I, and I feel that I can say 'some of us' don't want to see your 8 year old, three paintjob land-raider called a Spartan.
>>43687208
I guess. If you want to look the part though it will be expensive. Some people get bothered by MK7 armour in HH and like to be lore accurate.
But yeah most people will just use what they already have.
I personally haven't got a legion yet, but I have been lurking in these threads for ages and I will probably start Blood Angels when the rules come out. The price is still super intimidating to me though, even with the plastic stuff. I have no marines to go off.
>>43687218
>calling out babbys crying about their exclusive club membership made affordable to the plebs is bad
>>43687209
Nothing, I really enjoy that there are simply more people out there to play with, but I will probably prefer playing against a thematic army in a thematic system. And you didn't answer my question.
>>43687258
That's a different anon to the one you were talking to, which was me.
To answer your question I still think that FW stuff is still too expensive generally for most non HH players. Even if you build slowly.
And the fact that FW resin is a BITCH to work with if you don't know what you are doing certainly won't help.
>>43687121
Pay the spergs no attention . I am doing a khorne wave of flesh army (warrior elite + cult horde) with age of sigmar bloodreavers and chaos barbarians.
Oh, and tanks too, because Khorne loves tanks too. 2 Malcador tanks and a Russ squadron
>>43687284
How is it a bitch? You go through exactly the same process: Clip, clean, glue, paint, base, finish. The only difference is that you might need to clean them if there is cast residue on them, which is only really a problem if you have only ever worked with GW's very modern CAD sprews, which only re-enforces my opinion that the Forgeworld 15+ tag is very valid.
>>43687244
Also on that topic, I wonder if FW will give us any proto Death Company squads. It wouldn't surprise me considering that the Red Thirst was a thing already and when Sanguinius fell on Signis Prime all the Blood Angels there were gripped by a Black Rage that was still in its infancy.
Who'd have thought it'd be easier to troll the 30k general than the 40k one
>>43687324
This isn't trolling, it's difference in opinion. I don't agree with most of the points being raised here about new players coming into the hobby being a bad thing, but I'm not going to call it trolling because I disagree with it.
>>43687313
Sometimes you have to go the extra mile with resin models, especially with bigger ones.
Like submerging it in warm water or bending mechadendrites into shape or straightening out certain tiny bits etc.
Resin is far more brittle as well.
>>43687363
>you have to be more careful with the models
>you have to actually take time to put the casts into shapes you want ('tiny bits')
>you have to import basic knowledge of how to turn casts into an army
To be honest, this highlights my point about poorfags storming into 30k. They do not care. I actually love trimming and cleaning the minor imperfections from a cast which helps bring it to life, and if someone doesn't want to have the 'hassle' of doing that, then maybe they shouldn't take up 30k....
>>43687563
Meh. That doesn't bother me honestly.
What bothers me is the inevitable net listers and lists being posted here. They have taken over the 40k thread to the point of annoyance.
>>43687345
Thanks. I'm not saying that you want my tanks and I would hate for a discussion to develop out of this thread where resin fans circle jerk against plastic fans circle jerking. But acknowledging that this is an issue of opinion within the community and qualitative assessments of how sincere someone is about 30k and all of the fluff behind it is genuine of you.
>>43687623
No problem man. It's why I love the 30k threads.
2 Different lists here made using 2 betrayal of calth boxes which will cost me £154 both are 2k points
Iron Warriors ~ Rite of War Hammer of Olympia 2000 points
HQ ~ Legion Preator, Cataphractii termy armour, Powerfist, Warsmith - 145 points
Elites ~ 2 x Contemptor Dreadnoughts, Kheres Assault Cannons, Extra armour (free), Havoc Launchers - 410 points
~ 10 Tyrant Siege terminators - 545 points
>have some spare cyclone missle launchers around somewhere
Troops ~ 3 x 20 Legion Tacticals, troop vexila, extra melee weapons - 900 points
And the second one is:
Ultra-smurf 2k list
Their special snowflake Rite of War
HQ:
- 1 Legion Praetor, Cataphratchii termy armour, paragon blade - 155 points (Warlord)
- 1 Legion centurion, Master of Signals - 95 points
Elites:
- 2 x Contemptor Dread w/ Kheres Assault cannon - 180 points
- 10 Fulmentarus Terminators, Powerswords & Reaper Autocannons (recast CSM bit) - 600 points
Troops:
- 2 x 20 Legion Tacticals, Legion vexila - 520 points
- 20 Legion Tacticals - 250 points
Rite of War gives me fleet for getting those tacs into 12" range, BS2 snap-shots so the termies & dreads can rape flyers and counter-attack if melee units scare me.
Are either of them any good? Which one would you say is better?
Most other armies I like the idea of playing would cost a fortume to make so I'm liking the idea of getting a 2k list straight away for cheap, even by 40k standards.
Also have 3 Rhnio chasis that I'm willing to convert into anything.
>>43687595
The issue which really made me want to moan was exactly that. When 30k thread started here is was great, because everyone knew the score, half of the discussion was as much fluff as it was rules or quality shitposting between rival Legions. When the general started it was great, apart from Dorn hating tripfags shitting it up slightly.
Now it is list after list after list of people who do not know how to craft 30k, probably only downloaded the Battle scribe extension and have never looked at the Red Books, and that is super frustrating.
>>43687654
case and fucking point
>>43687243
Christ you won't give up.
GW style Castaferrum dreads were around during the Heresy. Mars pattern Rhino hulls were around during the Heresy. GW style Land Raiders with GW style sponson mountings were around during the Heresy. Ultima pattern bolters (visually identical to the Godwyn pattern) was used during the Heresy. Those are all perfectly usable units in 30k, like it or not. They're not "proxying" shit, they're being the units they are. You're the one with the attitude that if it's not on a Deimos pattern hull, it's not kosher.
Do tell me, anon, what you "proxy" as your legion attack bikes and (non-javelin) land speeders, seeing as they don't have official models. You just sit and wait for FW to make models for them or what?
>>43687654
Wait if you aren't going to commit to either legion then what colour are you going to paint them?
>>43687699
If you're this dude >>43686762 kindly fuck off. Not everyone has to bumsuck their special fucking legion to enjoy the game.
Some people don't get attached to one legion because they like the fluff/ paint scheme of many so it comes down to which they would most enjoy playing on tabletop.
Don't be a whiny little bitch just because you big fucking resin price-wall just got knocked down to shit.
>>43687778
I am committing, I like both Ultra's and IW's but I can't really decide so I'm putting it down to which would be better.
I like IW's theme better and I've got a massive hard-on for heavy-bolters being viable, but I prefer Ultra's aesthetic and paint scheme.
Seems like everyone and their mother collects IW though.
>>43687244
>If you want to look the part
See >>43687743 and explain this in more detail to me, because outside of "I don't like it because it's not expensive enough/it's common and thus bad" there's nothing stopping you.
>bothered by MK7 armour in HH
Armour which existed during HH, even if at the very end of it. What if I want to make an army based on the defenders of the Imperial Palace during Siege of Terra and put some Mk. VII suits in there?
>>43687834
Go Ultramarines. Have sexy lines of dudes that are showing off their mad Roman theme.
Seriously, Ultras are fucking cool to look at.
And yeah loads of people play IW.
>>43687859
Yeah I do like their aesthetic more.
And I'd quite like a non-metallic legion which obviously IW are not.
But on the other hand, IW would let me take pic related and it would be glorious.
>>43687913
But your Spiritual Liege!
>>43687939
Papa Smurf! If only he thought to copy shrapnel bolts as well as fucking siege termies.
desu the only primarch I really want is magnus, don't think I have the patience to wait and see what FW will do with 1ksons though.
>>43687939
All Matt Ward faggotisms aside, that is a badass model.
>>43687968
What are shrapnel bolts?
>>43687996
Free upgrade for IW that makes heavy bolters AP5 instead of AP4 and gives them pinning.
>>43687857
Fucking NO. Blood angels and White scars are predominately MkII and MkIV. Imperial Fists are Predominantly MkIII. The armor secured by the Imperial fists from Mars before the siege of Terra was MkVI.
You do not know what you are talking about.
>>43683866
This
>>43687790
So you're telling me that you only JUST NOW, for a system which has been out for years, in rules, schemes and decades for fluff, are making decisions between certain legions.
You are exactly the problem.
I understand that you might be interested in a game system with relative balance, but not to have a favorite legion or faction in a game where that literally decides EVERYTHING. is cheap and shows how little you are invested.
>>43687654
Also I can't decide which has better siege termies.
IW's have a Cyclone Missle Launcher by default and if the Fulmentarus termies want the exact same loadout they cost 20 points more (70 points!!!)/ model.
BUT, if they ignore melee weapons and take reaper autocannons instead of Cyclones, then they only cost 5 more points a model and get Tank Hunters and -1 to enemy cover in a squad of 10 and BS5.
They also get far more out of ultras RoW. BS2 TL autocannon snapshots w/ -1 to jink and tank hunters sounds like dead flyers to me.
What do you guys think?
>>43688102
Only started 40k with Orks last year, so no I don't have fucking favourite legion.
How does that make me a problem?
Fucking aspies man.
the only type of people who would think that more interest in their game is a problem.
>>43688049
>>43688123
I think you sound like you are going into a tourney.
Just relax. You should pick a legion you can passionate about, not the one that ignores cover the most. The great thing about 30k is that the balance isn't as skewed as 40k so you won't be fucked by certain choices.
>>43688102
>doesn't have a waifu legion
>fucking normies
>REEEEEEEEEEE
>>43688166
I don't see how you're dismissing my point. You don't know where I am coming from, you don't know the fluff, you only know shitty 2007+ GW, more specifically age of Sigmar. Have you read any of the HH series? Any of the Red Books?
Do you have any prestige items for your Orks? Any deff-dreds?
hay guys r8 my whores hershey list i made it using dark vengeance i kno theyre dark angles and chaos but i am using them as solar militia and ultramariners
>>43688168
I was wrong. In which case you should have only a choice of three legions if you want to have access to Mk7, and have no veteran tactical squads and shouldn't really buy your legions special units from FW if you're that dedicated to not spending money
>>43688212
This reminds me of every time I see a geek girl and the local nerd grills her with inane comic questions until there's one they can't answer and he goes 'hah you aren't a real fan!'
>>43688258
>tee hee im like such a totes nerd i love comics
>who is superman's alter ego
>like omg its blatez peter parker
>>43688212
>Do you have any prestige items for your Orks?
What does that even mean?
>>43688233
r8 my Cuntempter plz
>>43688233
>omg people are playing horus heresy without having a waifu legion and spending a grand on resin mumumumu
>muh legion will never be degraded with sinful GW plastic, only superior FW resin for them
I bet you play nightlord you fucking emo.
>>43688279
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Ork-Gargantuan-Squiggoth
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Ork-Stompa-with-Head-Arm-Weapons-and-Belly-Gun
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Ork-Kill-Krusha-Tank
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Ork-Kill-Bursta-Kill-Blasta-Tank
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Ork-Mega-Dread
>>43688276
Nice strawman.
Some girls are posers true, but just because a girl likes spiderman doesn't mean she knows what happened to the spider buggy (an actual example he used to prove her not nerdiness)
Some people just think things are enjoyable even without knowing every last tidbit.
Anyways you're a fag lmop enjoy being social garbage
>>43688312
I bet you don't give a shit what you play.
Which is worse?
This thread fucking sucks.
>>43688312
>omg people will jump to 30k rules to powergame while using "counts as" armies of grey plastic
All the flavour of the month WAAC players get carte blanche to cherrypick the broken shit
>>43688185
I wasn't saying that like I should be basing my list around it anon.
I was just curious as to what people thought as Tyrant siege termies are always paraded as the dogs bollocks of legion specific termies and Fulmentarus are a mimic of them.
>>43688334
To be honest this guy reminds me of the one in the 40k thread a bit back going on about unpainted armies
>>43686762
>>43686872
>Normies get out, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
God damn, you're one big faggot.
>>43687743
>GW style Castaferrum dreads were around during the Heresy
Christ, i didn't know, but why chaos dreads have open head like contemptors?
>>43686092
It's split by point games. First it has everything in an 1850 point game. Then what would added on top of that for a 2000 point game. Then what would be added on top of those for a 2500 point game. And finally what would be added to make the whole thing 3000 points.
Samus is normally a Lord of War, but if I take him in an army where the primary detachment is from Chaos Daemons he can be taken as an HQ choice and if taken that way automatically becomes a Warlord.
>>43688256
>you should have only a choice of three legions
As I said, themed after the defenders of the Imperial Palace.
>shouldn't really buy your legions special units from FW if you're that dedicated to not spending money
I was talking about using Mark 7 suits, not being cheap.
Also, what exactly in, say, Imperial Fists special units ties to a certain armour mark? Surely the better parts of the legion would be the first to receive replacement equipment over the mooks.
>>43688370
Why don't CSM have Deimos pattern rhinos and Phobos land raiders? Why don't CSM have old armour marks?
>>43688355
Was it about WIP?
>>43688376
Please don't do Imperial Fists, that's the legion I do and I would hate someone to be doing them in Mk7 as much as you would hate someone like me doing them.
Templar brethren are in MkIII, Sigismund is in MkII, Phalanx Warders are in MkIV and almost all of their art is in MkII or MkIII.
And sure, do what you want, but in my case the Siege of Terra really drove what I wanted and I cannot wait for them to begin it in the fluff, which will probably only be done when the cash cow begins to dry up a little, and I pray to the gods that they don't fuck with it at all and do it justice.
>>43688340
>cherrypick the broken shit
Name said "broken shit" that can be proxied with plastic Anon.
IIRC the strongest shit is stuff FW only make. Not saying that's intentional but I'm pretty sure thats how its turned out.
>>43688436
>Why don't CSM have Deimos pattern rhinos and Phobos land raiders? Why don't CSM have old armour marks?
Looted from loyalist/produced recently on darkmech forge
One question that bothered me for decade is that why CSM have stupid elongated backpacks.
>>43688461
>don't do a themed army based on researched and existing fluff related to the time period
>you doing it "wrong" invalidates all I have done
>even if the fluff doesn't say anything about, the models made early in the game when the Heresy was just kicking off are canon and nobody can do them any other way
>same with art
>Mk. VII suits were supplied to the defenders, but apparently nobody wore them, because it was so triggering
>>43688480
>whirlwind=Whirlwind scorpius
>Terminators=any legion specific unit
>Land Raiders=Land raider Achilles
>Simply stating that x squad is equipped with Y
>Storm brick=Fire Raptor, Storm eagle
>>43688489
>Looted from loyalist/produced recently on darkmech forge
But they just couldn't loot/produce any of the good shit?
>>43688461
>>43688546
Have you looked at the siege of terra artwork?
>>43688461
Is this post for real?
>>43688562
Darkmech is as dumb and barbaric as Admech if not even more.
>>43688556
How is any of that shit broken?
>>43688556
>whirlwind=Whirlwind scorpius
Whirlwind scorpios is a different unit from the regular whirlwind.
>Terminators=any legion specific unit
Indomitus and tartaros suits are the same, cataphractii is different.
>Land Raiders=Land raider Achilles
If you give it the right armament and reinforce the front, what's the problem?
>Simply stating that x squad is equipped with Y
So now using plastic = breaking WYSIWYG?
>Storm brick=Fire Raptor, Storm eagle
With the appropriate hull upgrades and armament, why not?
>>43688480
>this storm bolter/pf terminator squad is actually tyrant siege
>>43688592
Nothing is 'BROKEN' in 30k, I think what that guy originally was about was min/maxing and ignoring how to construct fluffy lists.
And are you telling me that the scorpius is not strong as fuck? sitting it in a 4+ cover, never moving it, most likely getting 3 s8 ap3 barrage small blasts from an A13 tank in a game where a 3+ is 90% of your army? If someone brought two of them I would definitely suck my teeth.
>>43688612
>implying a WAAC flavour of the month codex hopper would convert when they can just "counts as"
>>43688612
We are talking about proxies not conversion.
And how the fuck can you make a Storm brick into a Eagle or Raptor?
>>43688567
Are you the sort of person who can't stand the idea of automatic rifles in WW1 because it doesn't jive with their image of the period?
Do tell me, anon, where did all those new Mk. VII suits sent to troops on Terra and Moon go to?
>>43688651
Are you talking about the Stormtalon or the SW flying Snoopy head?
>>43688676
Either are impossible to convert, the talon, wouldn't even bother.
Why do people get so violently anal at the prospect that people with less money can now join in on the fun of /HH/?
Is it because they need to justify spending all that money on the resin models to themselves now that there's a cheaper alternative?
>>43688774
I honestly do not know. It isn't that big of a deal imo.
>>43688723
Sorry, mean raven. Stormraven. Because that's what the FW models are based on and use parts of the plastic kit in them.
What's wrong with the SW flyer, if you give it all the right weapons? Surely it's large enough and surely other assault rams besides the Caestus existed. What if you convert it into a Caestus with missile pods and melta projector?
>>43688774
Then it's not their special little club anymore. Not like they haven't shit up a fair number of threads on how HH is a much better game than 40k and you should really try it and stop giving GW money (because GW doesn't make any money from FW).
But now normies will get in and that's terrible.
>>43688774
I think this is where the debate is jamming on itself.
It is NOT about the money. Money is a factor, what I'm pointing out is that you have a flood of flavor of the week hobbyist's shitting up a great community because what was once only for people who absolutely had to have it despite the cost because they really wanted it. And then after the fact putting your models on the table with someone who has to say 'this is that' 'this is that' 'this is that' and who has only made those proxy choices based on second hand information from what they have read online. Forgeworld deserves all of our respect for what it has done, GW deserves our derision for jumping on the bandwagon and bringing it's shitty contemporary fan-base with it (who shouldn't be blamed in and of themselves, only that they are supporting a company that will destroy the HH series in its death-throes in over 3 or 4 years time to make a few more sheckles on the way out.
That and the fact the people have put serious thought, feelings and hours (both at work and at painting desks) for a 10th of the effort of the GW base.
>>43688774
Probably people who've spent like a grand on their favourite legion getting pissy because now someone can spend under £200 and get a 2.5k list for a legion they think are cool but don't obsess over.
>>43688774
I'll disregard all the spergs in this thread on both sides.
We are happy that the BaC set exists, but some are fearing the influx of Flavor-of-the-month players from appearing and changing the environment from that of a pseudo-historical one to 40k's.
I'd like more people to buy a BAC box set and then start their Legion from there, but I don't want people to throw in a BaC set with a Dark Vengeance set and play a homebrew legion.
With the introduction of BaC, both are going to come.
Frankly, I'm just frustrated. I bought 40 mark 6 tacticals 2 weeks before BaC leaked.
TLDR: with lower prices, we lower the barrier to entry emotionally as well, potentially leading to people that don't actually give a shit.
>>43688850
I have built a Storm Eagle, they use about 4 parts of the plastic kit. But the Caestus looks so good why would you not want to save up for it, just double the time it would take for you to afford the wolf thing.
>>43688888
will I be looked down as a fag if I use 40k vehicles (rhinos, land raiders and vindicators)?
I wanted to save the money to buy the primarch and wait for the new IW releases
>>43688888
There is literally nothing wrong in making a homebrew legion and playing as one of the lost legions.
>>43688888
The quints speak the true true.
>>43688933
Dems fightan words.
Oh god the OC doughnut steel puke green legions that will turn up until the future will be a thing to behold.
>>43688920
No, as long as you have some MkIII in your army. As the dude who made the original post I don't think anybody minds about Vindicators and I would have actually preferred to spend the £142 I spend on MKII b land raiders on somthing else.
>>43688973
They'd be just as fluffy as the official legions.
>>43689074
NOOOOOOO
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>43689088
You do realize that it is the exact reason why there are lost legions?
>>43688914
>they use about 4 parts of the plastic kit
Take a stormraven, extend the hull (chapterhouse sells kits), put lascannons on the missile bits, missile pods on top, remove turret and intake. Raptor will be more of a problem.
>Caestus looks so good
Matter of taste. I don't care for the double hull.
>>43686762
Honestly, what did you expect from a largely-snapfit, GW-standard-cheap set for two? The characters are mono-pose, at times pointlessly so, and the Dreadnought is a bit stiff, and the overal mould quality is worse. In exchange you are saving absurd mone, without the complications of modelling with resin. I'm not planning on buying it any time soon but it committed zero sins, and combined with its virtues that makes the kit a good thing.
>>43689149
Only the characters and contemptor are snapfit
>>43687324
It's a matter of innoculation. 30K general has been much smaller in scale and slower in pace than 40k for most of it's run, and a higher standard of posting has resulted. BaC is great and brought in a lot more new blood, but the trouble is a lot of them are bringing the 40K general attitude with it. 40K general in general(lol)ly hardened to this stuff, but it's made uproar over here.
I sometimes think some of the old regulars have gone away for a bit, to let the hubbub die down. There's certainly been a change of tone in the threads, a lot more people asking questions answerable in the rulebook or the same question three times in a thread.
In this environment, sometime saying a polite and pompous version of "Get out normies reeeee" will easily cause an upset.
>>43688888
You just dont play these people. I stayed away from the majority of the 40k crowd when I played 40k. I certainly wont be accepting games from the WAAC retard with his unpainted army composed of a BaC box and proxies from the 40k line.
They are def coming, but that doesnt mean we have to interact with them. I already overheard this hardcore WAAC Tau player say he's homebrewing some fluff so his all suit Tau army can play HH matches. Something about a warpstorm or something. Im looking forward to turning these people away.
What kind of rites of war, relics, special units and other stuff should I expect for the White Scars in future books for HH ?
>>43689174
. . . which is exactly why I said that.
>>43688878
>But now normies will get in
Idk if Id call the retards still playing 40k 'normies'.
How do we make Necrons work in 30k?
>>43688374
I see. Maybe I'm just the only who didn't find that clear. I did a similar thing with my Militia and Cults army, I used the words
Optional:
Before each add-on section.
>>43689284
>what did you expect from a largely-snapfit, GW-standard-cheap set for two
>largely-snapfit
>>43689298
Why would you want to put Necrons in 30k?
>>43687121
At no point is it ever said "you can't use 40K models in 30K". How else are you supposed to play Chaos Daemons? Before Forgeworld released Techmarine models, how else where you supposed to use this unit? Militia and Cults explicitly states "use whichever models you like", and one unit in particular - Brutes - allows to use anything Ogryn-sized.
Conclusion: actually read the books. Stop being lazy and picking up information from other newfags in these threads.
>>43689335
to be able to actually play 30k
>>43689335
Because they already exist in it?
>>43689074
And it would be equally fluffy to annihilate them so hard they get erased from records.
>>43689335
Hes obv trolling.
>>43687175
>>43687242
>>43688334
>>43688774
One post in this thread was off-base, but this is not - nothing really is - an excuse for multiple passive-aggressive whineposts directed at no-one. It doesn't matter if you're one or multiple anons, stop dragging the thread down. If that one whiner was a troll, stop feeding him. If he wasn't, stop making the thread worse. Talk about your army.
>>43688933
I get that. The rest of the sentence was that they would mix in a DV set with a BaC set and call it the "Emperor's assfuckers" or the like.
>>43689358
But anon, you can't use Mars pattern rhinos nor non-FW castaferrums in 30k, it invalidates everything the game stands for, even if FW is cool with it.
>>43689412
And? That's perfectly fine, you can do whatever you want with your own models.
>>43689325
I specified right after the exact models that are monopose. Those models happen to be the three highest sculpt models, army centre pieces, one of which is also considerably larger than all the others. There's not much else to this. The kits are a bit stiff - so what?
>>43689412
>Legion II, the "Emperor's Number Twos"
>>43689435
But that lowers the overall quality, and breaks the theme. When everyone else is pseudo-historical, having someone not take it seriously is detrimental to the rest of us.
>>43689420
Of course you can't use Mars-pattern rhinos. For the exact same reason Imperial Guardsmen can't use Wave Serpents. Imperial Guard don't manufacture Wave Serpents for their crew, and the Legiones Astartes didn't manufacture Mars-pattern Rhinos. You use the models for the army with the rules for that army. It's as simple as that.
To use a more pointed analogy: Space Wolves and Dark Angels are both space marines. Can you just use Space Wolves models in your Dark Angels army? Not without good modelling sense.
>>43689420
Are you lost anon?
Click on 'catalog' at the top of this thread. Then hit ctrl+f, and type 40k. That should get you to where you belong.
>>43686612
AP1 only makes a difference against vehicles, and S7 isn't going to penetrate anything worth assaulting with a Praetor. The axe should be +2S and Shred or Rampage (or both?)
>>43689476
>breaks the theme
>pseudo-historical
Buzzwords. There's no reason to be a dick if somebody is more creative than you are.
>>43689481
>Can you just use Space Wolves models in your Dark Angels army?
Yes you can.
>>43689481
>Of course you can't use Mars-pattern rhinos.
See >>43687743
>same reason Imperial Guardsmen can't use Wave Serpents
Pic related: Fuck tha police.
>Legiones Astartes didn't manufacture Mars-pattern Rhinos.
But they did use them, according the FW.
>>43689486
See >>43687743 and weep, Forge Whiner. FW's own HH books, FW's own HH fluff.
>>43689476
>Psuedo-Historical
Please stop.
I know people are going on about not mixing DV and BaC, but are the Blood Angels from the box set accurate for the time, armor and look wise?
I know they're not out yet but I want to prepare a Blood Angels army. I'm sure the box set comes with appropriate shoulders, but if not I'll get official ones upon release
>>43689494
Well at least one anon is paying attention. The Paragon Axe was the test one to see if newfags just buy a fancy statline without examining it. In reality it's a generally worse Thunder Hammer for the same cost. For that weapon, a better question would be how to make that profile usable for its cost. +4S is probably too powerful - maybe another special rule? Instant Death on a 5+, or a 6+ to Hit? Maybe Rampage actually, that's nice. Let Claws keep Shred.
The Star however, I think that's a cool weapon. A lot of strength at Initiative and Concussion + Decapitation is great, but losing out on the AP 2 bracket is a bitch. Makes players consider their options, and design Praetors for other purposes beyond character killan.
>>43689518
How's Games Workshop like in Bizarro World? Prices dropped again, ahead of Deflation?
>>43689566
Can you please stop derailing the thread?
>>43689526
Alright, then you can use Mars Rhinos. Literally nothing stopping you. I see no problem.
>>43689575
Ever heard of allies?
>>43689579
Yes, because listening to a bunch of manchildren cry that their game isn't going to an exclusive club any more is so much more productive.
Faggot.
>>43689298
obviously you'd just need some kind of rogue c'tan who the Alpha Legion wake up and then the necron invasion starts early and they join the siege of terra
I'm already working on a 30k list for my homebrew chaos warband who found a way to use the warp to time travel back to the heresy and help Horus kill emps once and for all.
>>43689579
What? We're talking about actual game design instead of shitflinging over which models are allowed or some bicker about whether old or new fags are better. It's not actual list discussion but it's better than the last hour's worth of gruel.
>>43689589
horff dorff
>>43689558
Oh yes and the dreadnought, not sure if that kind was around or not but I've been told it comes with other chassis
I can attack a Master of Signals to a Quad Launcher rapier battery, right?
Exactly how popular is 30k?
>>43689640
Why would you assault with MoS?
>>43689640
Sure, why not. You'd probably want him closer to the front lines so he can draw LoS for the battery, though. (maybe attach him to a rapier HB battery for delicious BS5 TL goodness?)
>>43689673
Enough that GW decided that it was time to start making plastic of it.
>>43689476
Holy shit leave the hobby. Cancer.
>>43689566
>The Paragon Axe was the test one to see if newfags just buy a fancy statline without examining it
Do all Horus Heresy players just think they're some kind of tactical genius because they play 30k?
A stormbird model would be cool. Probably wouldn't ever be big enough table. Or how much bigger is it from Thunderhawk?
>>43689787
No just this idiot.
Assuming we get to use them as an army unto themselves, how do you think the Custodes will work on the table top, /hhg/?
>>43689824
Marines +1 probably.
>>43689791
This is the small one.
>>43689696
>maybe attach him to a rapier HB battery for delicious BS5 TL goodness
Dunno bout that annon, BS4 TL doesn't really need the extra BS.
Quad Launchers with the krakk shells is like the only non TL rapier weapon
>>43689824
I'm guessing blade-guns everywhere, AP3 on most things, and 2-wound marines with lots of artificer armour.
probably WS/BS 5.
Their primarch equivalent LoW will be emps.
Do you think Sisters of Silence will be their own army or joint onto Custodes?
>>43689894
Is the Sokar version smaller than normal?
The rules are pretty amazing, though you'd have to be playing an enormous game to field it
>>43689953
Yeah it's considered the smallest pattern Stormbird I think.
>>43689953
I think in the old fluff the stormbird could carry a whole company of Marines. I think the Sokar can only transport 50.
started iron warriors with the betrayal at calth box plus some of my 40k vehicles. what could I use the chaplain for (or is it a fluffy choice for the IVth legion?)?
>>43686872
You're a fucking idiot.
I don't really have much else to add to that thought, your sentiment is so irrelevant that it doesn't even warrant any consideration.
"Oh no, someone else didn't spend as much money as me, oh no, the owner of the game I like decided to make it more accessible, oh no, someone isn't a die hard like me".
Honestly its people like this that ruins games.
>>43689787
Waaaaaaaaah I feel insecure because someone is testing people's grasp of the game! Best tell him he's an elitist rather than just moving on.
>>43689994
>what could I use the chaplain for
Replace the mace head of his weapon with an axe blade and use him as a power armoured HQ or a veteran sergeant or something. I just gave his staff an aquila tip (pic related style), replaced his pistol with a bolter and used him as a sergeant.
>>43690075
oh ok, I was thinking about finding another consul place for the model but that's a good idea too
>>43686872
Post a close up of those centurions pls.
Have they got shoulder mounted weapons?
>elite faggots vs normie faggots
and this is why 30k/40k is shit
>>43686872
>thinking spending a shitload on models makes you a special super-secret dedicated ultrafan
Faggot, you were had. Buying expensive fictional models for a fictional game's fictional history doesn't make you a fan, it makes you the guy who bought two grand of resin toy soldiers.
>>43690188
Oi. Pack it in. >>43689408
>>43690211
>feeding the troll
Christ it's like you want his point to come true. Ignore it and talk about the fucking game.
>>43690069
>posts random shitty homebrew for paragon weapons other than blades
>some comments saying it's shitty homebrew
>"I was testing you anon, ur not a newfag :^) we have such brilliant mind hehe"
I was calling you a retard not an elitist.
>>43690069
>I feel insecure because someone is testing people's grasp of the game!
I didn't even read your 'so-called' fucking test till you said it was one
>>43688888
wait.
You actually like the autistically assmad prone idea of being Historical?
Jesus fucking christ.
So, I guess I'll just post this >>43686933 in a later thread. Third time's the charm for sure. All of these threads can't devolve into shitposting, right? Right?
But while we're shitting up the place, how wrong would it be to model HH era SW in a late Roman style. I'm picturing something like King Arthur, where you got the Roman mixed with the early medieval. You got the Roman style of the Imperium mixed with the primitive barbarism of the SW. Like at least for a while they were the Emperor's Executioners, before full on yiff mode.
>>43689894
That's not much bigger than Thunderhawk...
>>43690277
Mate whatever. You don't like your sanctioned authorised discussion in these very important 30K threads, we get it. Nevermind some of us have been here for years, it's about time we cow-towed to YOUR idea of a good thread.
>admits to not reading anything
Kek, is this really the quality of 40K general? Smug fucks for everyone.
>>43688312
Whoa, whoa I doubt that nigga plays Night Lords. Come on now there's no need to drag the spooky marines into this shitdick's autism.
>>43686762
>>43686872
I just built a load of Space wolves by mixing BaC and the standard box, just picking what parts looked cool together with no respect to armour marks at all. I'm also using the Dark vengeance Librarian as a rune priest, except I gave him a studded shoulder pad and a wolf backpack.
This is my 30k army. I've been contributing to these threads for a hell of a long time, chances are longer than 99% of the posters here. Eat shit you spergy shitlord.
>>43690777
>using DV DA as HH SW
B-but that's wrong, f-faggot...
>>43690777
And add to that, I know that what I built is perfectly fluffy and correct, because it is. Newer marks of armour were be funnelled into the legions, sometimes not even full sets, just replacement components. All legions had a wide variety of armour marks in use, so saying X was mostly Y, is fucking wrong.
Dont put limits on other peoples fun based on incorrect shit information.
>>43690259
Yeah apologies, I loaded the thread, went off for a bit and then replied.
>>43690825
S'areet. Been a while since I've seen someone hone up to a mistake in these threads. Makes a change.
>>43690777
.M-MUH AUTISM
>>43690471
> it's about time we cow-towed to YOUR idea of a good thread.
So is your idea of a good thread trying to test people with shitty made up weapon profiles that everyone just ignore?
>>43690418
>Like at least for a while they were the Emperor's Executioners, before full on yiff mode.
I'd see at preferable to yiffy barbarians, though you'd probably need to have you're whole army in the same theme.
Dunno how'd you pull off the Arthurian element of the theme though.
There's not a lot of comment on in the list, it's pretty standard shit and we don't know what you're allying it with.
>>43690912
>You want to do what you want to do, s-so you are just as controlling as m-me!
Nice comeback.
>>43691012
>you'd probably need to have you're whole army in the same theme
Well, the SW part will be.
>Arthurian element
I'm just talking about the visual style. Early medieval mixed with Roman.
>pretty standard shit
Good enough to me, I guess.
>we don't know what you're allying it with
Quick rundown of the basics:
-Force Commander: Planetary Overlord: Merchant Princeling, Warrior Elite
-Platoon Command Squad (10x): Lascarbines
-Discipline Maser Cadre (5x): 5x Refractor Field
-Medicae Detachment (5x)
-Enginseer Auxilia: 2x Adept, 8x Servo-Automata w/ Phased Plasma Fusils
-Infantry Squad: Vexilla, Lascargines
-Infantry Squad: Vexilla, Lascargines
-Grenadier Squad (15x): Vexilla, Shotguns, 2x Meltaguns
-Grenadier Squad (15x): Vexilla, Shotguns, 2x Meltaguns
-Fire Support Squad (10x): 10x Autocannon
-Inducted Levy Squad (40x): Vexilla, Lascarbines
-Gorgon Heavy Transporter: Autocannons, Armoured Ceramite
-Gorgon Heavy Transporter: Autocannons, Armoured Ceramite
-Leman Russ Squadron: 3x MBT w/ Hull HBs and Pintle Stubbers
-Leman Russ Squadron: 3x Vanquisher w/ Hull Lascannons and Pintle Stubbers
-Leman Russ Squadron: 1x Demolisher w/ Hull Lascannon and Dozer Blade
-Bastion: Quad Cannon
-Aegis Line: Quad Cannon
The exact composition varies, but that's pretty much what I got. Tanks and such are from my 40k Guard, but the infantry I made for them specifically. Force Commander is a Solar Macharius model.
I'm considering getting into 30K with two armies; a Mechanicum force for collecting and a getting back into 30K/40K army made up of the cheap minis from BaC. I'm considering Iron Warriors for this army, partially because I've always loved their fluff and partially because they can act as a nice fluff appropriate accompaniment to my main army.
I'm getting that Iron Warriors are a common choice so I'm just wondering how the balance of 30K is in terms of legions, whether the models in BaC will build up as iron warriors nicely or whether there is a large number of legion specific insignia/accessories to remove and what kind of points level 30K starts being good at. I remember playing 3rd ed 40K and trying 500-1000 points battles, only to find them squishy and vague in that the rules didn't really support them well.
Additionally, are there any problems people have finding games?
>>43689310
Ahhh. That makes sense.
Also I realized something. My list >>43685824
is much more powerful than its 40k CSM version http://pastebin.com/rPJe1Rrc
Cheap Tac Squads>Cheap Cultists
Gal Vorbak Dark Brethren>Possessed
The Ashen Circle=Warp Talons
Not sure how the Predator Squadron and Bloodslaughterers compare though.
Really, at this point Imma stick to 30k till Chaos Space Marines get a new not sucky codex. Maybe some of these cool 30k rules will transfer over, too and be seen in the new codex.
>>43691674
Would you like legion specific rules to transfer across or do you prefer the warband angle?
Why did Pert make his legion put hazard striping on their armor?
>>43691752
Because he was a fan of Industrial Metal growing up. That and he wanted a way of saying "please don't use this marine as a step."
Which is hilariously ironic because the entire legion was essentially used as a step by all the other legions.
