Did other nations in the fallout world have vaults aswell?
I am asking this becuase I want to run a fallout game that is not set in the US.
>>43636589
No one knows. They probably didn't have vault-tec ones with experiments and other hidden purposes but there is no reason for rest of the world to not have their own nuclear shelters. There is nothing in the fallout canon about rest of the world.
IRL Russia has bunkers in the event of nuclear war.
Vault tec was an American company and the fallout economy wasn't nearly as globalized being a hyper cold war, but you could simply come up with your own Vaulttec expy or government shelters. To say nothing of US imperialism into Canada, Japan, and China in the fallout universe
>>43636589
In Moscow, Metro doubles as nuclear shelter, but that's another game
>>43636589
There's not much said about non-American countries in the Fallout universe, aside from plot critical places like China and Canada, so it's hard to say. The entire point of Fallout is "what would happen if those old American 50s nuclear fears came true, but with sci-fi guns", so they didn't bother with fleshing out anywhere not relevant to the setting or backstory.
>>43636589
Russia does not have vaults. Has vault. One. All Russians in vault. Very cramped, but cozy. When vodka tank runs low, we send someone out to find more. If you see Boris, tell him "hurry back". We are very thirsty.
>>43636589
"Allistair Tenpenny came to the Capital Wasteland from Great Britain to seek his fortune, so that alone tells you that the U.K. was also hit in the war. And if he came to U.S. to succeed, that says a lot about how screwed up Europe must be. So we just allude, a little bit, to the state of the rest of the world. We like to leave a lot to the players' imaginations, and somebody like Tenpenny serves as a catalyst for those thoughts."
This is from an interview with Fallout 3 designer Emil Pagliarulo found here:
http://www.1up.com/features/fallout-3-afterthoughts
>>43636629
>but that's another game
That's what you think.
Isn't Europe mostly intact?
>>43636589
Vaults were commissioned in 2054. 23 years later the Great War started. Nowhere in the wiki mentions Vaults in other countries, but surely the USA was not the only country that knew the world was going to end. I mean, if the US gubmint was paranoid, wouldn't other gubmints be frothing at the mouth? Look at China, for example. Last month they outright stated that they're prepared for war with the USA. Maybe some countries started their Vaults before the US did!
>>43636589
Almost certainly, but it's been a plot point that long-range travel and communication are almost impossible.
IRL, the Russians are still believers in the concept of a "winnable" nuclear war, meaning that they seriously have the facilities to store away portions of their population in nuke-proof bunkers under mountains, etc. The Ural mountains in particular are a hotbed of such facilities.
Basically if the nukes actually go off, Russia is the best equipped to survive such an event these days. The Americans tried to counter this by winning strategic positions closer to Russia so that nuclear ICBMs could be more accurate and close, but they never really got the upper hand. The American advantage was always that they were further away, and had allies close to Russia. That's why Cuba was such a serious threat to the balance of power.
In the end none of it mattered, because planned economics are naturally inferior at developing and adopting technology (in the economic sense) to market economics, and the Soviet collapse was literally guaranteed from the first moment. The entire military game between East and West was only to the Soviets' advantage, and even then it wasn't enough.
>>43636642
I figure Europe has probably gone full medieval fuedal. The US is a good place to seek fortune because its an anarchic shithole with vast swaths of unclaimed land. That alone makes it likely full of valuable pickings. The lack of any centralized governments barring the isolationist brotherhood and Caesar in the Midwest and the NCR on the west coast means makes for a power vaccume that can be exploited. It doesn't mean Europe is necessarily in full shithole mode, just that it lacked the social mobility and opportunity Tenpenny wanted.
>>43636660
I don't feel like Russia is a very good exemplar for planned economics being, well, Russia. You want socialism that works look at Sweden.
>>43636602
There is stuff about rest of the world - all of China is completely fucked, Europe is not a nice place, africa is pretty much ok.
>>43636677
What about the pacific?
Or did the Spiders in Australia eat the nukes?
>>43636589
It wont be fallout without the nuclear age sci-fi and americana.
Sure you can play in post apocalyptic europe with nuclear batteries. But it wont be fallout. Or was your plan to du just that so you could say 'hey look its a deathclaw, cool huh?'
Might as well just go full crossover with games better suited to their locale. Like >>43636629 or pic related.
>everyone forgets about South America
>>43636677
source?
>>43636694
Just play Mad Max if you want post apoc Aussies.
Under Manchester there is a 3 mile long nuclear bunker.
It was designed to protect against the sort of thing the Americans dropped on the Japs so its probably not going to survive a direct hit from modern nukes.
Currently it is used for military training exercises and a short cut for fibber-optic cables.
In Manchester down certain back streets and ally ways there are curious red brick buildings. They look like fairly big sheds. They don't have windows and the doors are all bolted shut and have been for decades. They are surrounded by High metal fences and razor wire. They are hollow skins of buildings badly disguising the caps of air vents.
And that's just the official shelter.
I did a tour of the Manchester Undercity once. Holy shit. A man with a pickaxe and a sense of direction could go where ever he wanted by knocking down old walls into forgotten cellars. So long as he didn't mind wading through waist high water. The water is remarkably clear.
There is the river Tibbs that hasn't seen sunlight in 300 years. There are the old filled in underground canal ways that were used as bomb shelters in the Second World War still with the crumbling remains of war time posters on the walls. Old building built on old buildings with slightly newer building on top and above them the cellars of modern buildings. The underground railway system they never got around to finishing complete with empty stations, big open spaces with red brick pillars slick with slime and moss like growths. Now obsolete or seldom used storm drains and other water tunnels. And that's without mentioning the sewers.
Its a miracle Manchester hasn't just fallen down a big hole of its own making.
>>43636698
>Even in fiction, South America isn't relevant
Panama almost certainly got nuked into a swiftly ocean-filled crater because it's a key strategic area controlled by the US, and good luck crossing any notoriously difficult to cross ocean in the setting.
>>43636699
Fuck if I remember. But it was a pretty well established information. I think the china part was something said in the chinatown in 2?
>>43636675
Sweden is not, and has never been socialist. Sweden's "socialist" parties compromised with the capitalist parties decades ago to create a capitalist state with welfare. Nordic Socialism is essentially just market economy with a robust welfare state.
Welfare is not socialism. Imperial Germany under Bismark had welfare. Not even the most fantastically right-wing American would call Imperial Germany a Socialist country.
And definitely Sweden does not have a planned economy. In many ways they actually have more economic freedom than many of the big-name capitalist states. Much as Norway actually has lower corporate taxes than the USA, Sweden is very receptive to big business. It has never sought to place the means of production in the hands of the workers (whatever the fuck that means) but instead seeks to take care of the people. That's not socialism, it's just... Nice.
>>43636711
Imagine a Fallout spinoff game set in Cuba, though. Like, Cuba influenced by american culture, so that the americana theme is still there, but it's also fucking Cuba.
Imagine it. It writes itself.
You could also do Alaska if you wanted to expand on the Russians. Alaskan suburbs are depressing enough right now, imagine post apocalypse.
>>43636707
A lot of cities have stuff like that. There are drainage silos under New York where you can easily fall to your death because the rain drainage system just keeps going down and down and down. Incidentally, if any human is down there in the labyrinth when it rains even a little bit, they drown. No exceptions outside of Scuba equipment.
>>43636711
>The Panama Canal was nuked
>Now it's called "The Green Sea"
>Nobody in their right mind would ever sail it though
>The rainforest animals have evolved in ways that put Deathclaws to shame and that's not even taking into account the fact that every now and again something underwater drags entire ships below the waves in a mere moment
>>43636714
Oh I know it's well established, I just can't for the life of me remember WHERE either, and I want to know.
Also, did we ever find out where the fuck VaultTec central command is? And if it survived? Because we know it should have been receiving intel from like, all of the vaults and possibly remotely controlling a few of them?
>>43636729
With Russian raiding/colony parties coming over by boats.
Did that Fallout: New Orleans setting ever go anywhere? The anon doing it seemed pretty bro.
>>43636677
Wrong.
There's mention of what happened BEFORE the war.
The middle east blew itself away, Europe's economies collapsed, the Soviet Union fell.
>>43636745
There was a central VaultTec command vault in one of the games. It might have been one of the questionably canon spinoffs though, I can't remember.
>>43636729
Nightmare goggles.jpg
>yfw the nordic coutnries survived the war but has tunred back into tribal viking states that raids the rest of Europe for tech, weapons, food, and water
>>43636755
I would like to see the Vault where the VaultTec CEO and other top execs went.
>>43636779
It's probably boring, really. One of the few vaults that actually functions as advertised (Assuming no outside influence, anyway) with no hideous, overarching experiments to worry about.
>>43636779
I'd assume it's wherever their central commandhub was.
>>43636792
wasn't it in DC?
>>43636792
Its in DC. You can visit it in F3 as part of the violin quest.
>>43636589
>I want to run a fallout game that is not set in the US.
Die in a fire.
>>43636707
>Manchester hasn't just fallen down a big hole
Manchester is a hole, m89.
>>43636714
>>43636745
>>43636755
>>43636779
>>43636792
>>43636805
Wait, I thought that the central Vault was Vault City from the first or second game?
>>43636644
Excellent point. Similar aesthetic, similar crazytech, and it's completely plausible that they'd be isolated from each other.
On the other hand, Metro 2033 would be 40 years before Fallout's stated apocalypse date, and in Metro the air is poisonous and the surface is completely uninhabitable. So it's not a perfect fit.
>>43636756
Have some Fallout-appropriate nightmare goggles.
>>43636729
>Cuba
Two major vaults, the tourist one and the state sponsored one.
Fidel Castro is still alive. Duh. He's not even a ghoul, he just doesn't die. (May or may not be state propaganda, but he's definitely still alive.)
>>43636836
No, that was Vault 8, which opened pretty soon after the war, though the date changes depending on the source. They received an all-clear signal which possibly came from the Enclave.
They also received all the water chips that were meant to go to Vault 13.
>>43636726
>Not even the most fantastically right-wing American would call Imperial Germany a Socialist country.
I feel like you underestimate our right wing, Bernie Sanders is called a socialist precisely because he references Sweden's market/govt regulation and safety net system
>>43636836
No.
Although there was Vault 0 somewhere that was the secret monitoring vault to watch the other vaults staffed by 100% super loyal VaulTec staff.
>>43636881
This. According to American super right wingers the current pope is a Marxist.
>>43636694
Australia is all probably giant forty metre trees from coast to coast and all the way around, with spiders the size of dogs and webbing across the straight. What little life grows still in the topsoil is all fungal in nature or can survive on what little light comes through the canopy webbing covering the entire continent.I'd still live here all said.
>>43636890
I...just can't take american politics seriously anymore. When Trump is either as a joke or quite earnestly setting up a Remove Taco situation and the guy behind him is running on a shaky platform of 'Hey I might have tried stabbing several people vote for me!" it just..christ I think I'd prefer to live in the fallout U.S. prewar.
>>43636925
>I'd prefer to live in the fallout U.S. prewar.
With Trump at the wheel, you might have your wish granted.
>>43636645
Oil wars ravaged europe even before shit really hit the fan.
>>43636886
Vault 0 is from fallout tactic which might or might not be canon.
>>43636589
I dont know that the Chinese would have, the Gobi is not an especially easy region of china to reach, so the American Invasion must have taken a significant portion of the country, or else the USSR must have be an active combatant on the American side. I dont know that building fallout shelters of any real scale would be likely in the event of massive invasion with half your country lost.
>>43636699
IIRC in one of the Fallout 3 DLCs you get to look at China from space and it's a giant glowing crater, as opposed to the US which is "only" covered in glowing craters
Another of the DLCs also reveals that the chinese military satellites are still running, which doesn't mean a whole lot given that anyone would could possibly use them is almost certainly dead.
>>43636726
It's Democratic Socialism. Which, really, everything you said. But that's what it's called.
>>43636677
There is no mention of Africa in the canon but given resource wars and new plague it was probably a giant graveyard long before nukes went off.
>>43636994
>one of the Fallout 3 DLCs
It's the alien's one isn't it? Let's pretend that one didn't happen.
>>43636859
>Fidel Castro is still alive. Duh. He's not even a ghoul, he just doesn't die.
>El Presidente will never die.
I have planned to run a Fallout quest set in Mexico. The country would be pretty americanized because the USA entered into their borders in 2051 to make the oil refineries keep running and thus both cultures merged with the Mexican one adapting a great amount of things from the American one.
It would be filled with mutants and strange devices, mostly because during these years the American military would experiment with the rebels that wanted them out of their country.
Since Petro-Chico, was also an important asset of Mexico there might also be some working vehicles but they are pretty limited.
The NCR, Enclave and BoS are factions that might appear along with some original others.
The only companion that I have written so far will be Taxi, a modified protectron robot that worked as a taxi driver and whose last client was a desperate and paranoid man that wanted to exit the States right before the bombs fell. He has been wandering around mexico for years, carrying the skeletal remains of its last client.
Thoughts?
>>43637003
>But that's what it's called.
in the US. it's a capitalist welfare state for the rest of the world.
like liberalism in the US and in europe have different meaning.
>>43637027
We Tropico nao
>>43637542
Tropico meets Fallout.
Sounds damn fine to me.
>>43636666
Ultrasatan, I like your style. Swords and atomic sorcery sounds bitching.
>>43636589
No vaults but shelters.
Ireland and England are fine because we have characters from there
>>43636589
>I am asking this becuase I want to run a fallout game that is not set in the US.
But Fallout's entire thing is being Mad Max in AMERICA FUCK YEAH!
Metro is Mad Max in Russia.
>>43637572
>>43637572
>wandering the wasteland with this on radio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGLomkqW5rg
11/10
![thundarrrrr[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/l9YC2Qb.jpg "thundarrrrr[1].jpg")
>>43637575
Mind you, I didn't say Swords and Sorcery, though in countries like France or Spain I don't doubt it.
In fact, lets make it head canon right now - England is trapped permanently in colonialist east india company style shenanigans with laslocks and men firing in rows, whereas France and Spain have merged into one country called Chivalberia and is ruled by various warlords and dukes who pay lip service to a king and rule their lands with an iron fist and heavy cavalry mounted on trained Deathclaws (or flesh eating carnivore horses if that hurts your lore autism too bad). Chivalberia is currently waging a Reconquista on the Moors who are pushing out of the hell that is irradiated Africa.
>>43637627
>Why does he man have a my little pony on the background?
>>43637627
WH Fantasy
>>43636589
Not really touched upon because fallout isn't about the rest of the world.
Love your filthy unfree country as much as you want you giblegook speaker but it's all about america as the true center of the world.
>>43636589
It wouldn't be Fallout without the American influence.
>>43636589
Well, /tg/ has squashed brains together for some places.
UK:
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8722284/
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/13664828/
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/15808361/
Germany and Europe in general:
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/13074850/
Okinawa:
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/40936127/
![180px-Edo_ivory_mask_18472[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/CTCRt3d.jpg "180px-Edo_ivory_mask_18472[1].jpg")
>>43637627
England is a mercantile nation now known as Blighty, and it's sailors are the finest (and perhaps the only) traders left in the war, bar perhaps the Scands (more on them later). These salt rimed bastards ply the dangers of the green sea with a fervor unknown to land lubbers, all in search of the legendary land of Avalondia (a portmanteau of Avalon and India), where the tea flows like rad water and every man can afford to eat curry of only 35% dog every night. The Blighties have survived the apocolypse through sheer grit, stiff upper lips, and not a little bit of insanity. Though old fashioned, their las-lock salvo's are devastating to just about any foe, barring the great krakens and sea beasts who prey upon their ships.
The United Princedoms of Afrika are a loose congolmeration of co-operative nations currently lead by the charismatic and powerful Nigerian Prince Shaka Obo. The Princedoms are now, somewhat ironically, one of the more if not the most advanced nations left in the world, offset only by the biological horror that is irradiated Africa. Horrible flesh eating monkeys and burrowing jaguars prowl the jungle, and terrifying Rhinopottamuses wait for the unwary to wander near the rivers.The Princedoms are in a constant struggle to survive, and this struggle has made it's people cunning and strong. Under Obo's leadership, the Princedoms are now pushing into the Southern regions of Chivalberia on the Iberian Peninsula, making living space in the comparatively more comfortable northern climates for his people. This is fiercly opposed by the Ducal forces of Chivalberia, who consider defending their lands not just a matter of survival, but of honor.
>>43637708
>>43637648
>>43637621
>>43636806
>all these anons with no sense of imagination
As some people already said, Russia could actually be a good call if you can pull it off as a GM.
Frozen wastelands, bunkers everywhereor go full Metro 2033 and make Moscow a giant bunker, alcohol as a currency"Is both for drinking and engines!", go nuts.
>>43637627
I can't see all of Spain and France getting together.
The Basque finally get their own nation at least. Old national borders are broken down and they mostly survived as a fishing and coastal trade society. They trade up and down the English Channel and Irish Sea on both sides, despite the wars both sides fight and even as far away as Iceland sometimes. They've stopped going far in land, except in the mountains. Every time they launch any sort of expedition it gets fucked up by roving bands of nutters or fucked up monsters.
The Interior of Spain is mostly nomadic wandering tribes doing battle with each other over old grudges.
Mediterranean coastline of Spain is ruled from the Imperial City of Barcelona and is in a state of fucking ultra-hate with the Great Tuniz Empire. Its mostly over fishing rights but creed is a call to arms. The Gibraltan Gap has been the site of much blood spill between the two.
Eventually a part mercenary company, part monastic, definitely Templar flavoured order of Benedictine monks took over the island. They knocked peoples heads together until their brains rebooted and told them to grow the fuck up. As the Templars were all cybernetically enhanced, came with salvaged battle-bots and had nukes pointed at both Tunis and Barcelona and a grumpy finger over the Big Red Button people listened.
Italy has devolved back into city states and fortified villas, as has Greece.
Considering it's annexation and the mention of some of the southernmost cities (Ronto = Toronto, c'mon, it might not have been 100% confirmed, but what else could it be?) it's fair to say that parts of Canada may have vaults; I'd assume at least along the Alaskan pipeline and in major population centres.
>>43636772
>tfw when I had the same goddamn idea
And I'm not even Norwegian.I also imagined technovikings having giant "longboat" APC that could both traverse the nuclear wasteland and the seas,
>>43636589
The essence of Fallout is the optimistic Americana of the 1950s. I guess one could do a Soviet fallout world, but I can't see how a western Europe / Australia would make sense.
>>43637816
Because noooo other country had a weird culture in the 50's
>>43636913
Imagine how terrifying Australian waters would be with mutant irukandji and a seething, irradiated Great Barrier Reef.
>>43637738
>Horrible flesh eating monkeys and burrowing jaguars prowl the jungle, and terrifying Rhinopottamuses wait for the unwary to wander near the rivers
so, nothing changed.
>>43636726
Are you the fag who spent the last month shitting up /biz/ with your "Every 'socialist' country in the world is really just 'capitalist' and that's why bad things still happen in the world." shit? Back to /leftpol/ with you.
It's by no means canon, being based on the cancelled Fallout Extreme, but China is implied to have survived the war in some capacity and still have a standing Emperor residing in the Forbidden Palace; the state of the nation itself, and the extent of the Emperor's power however, remains to be seen.
>>43637816
>>43637832
Just switch "glorious America" with "glorious Soviets" and you get roughly the same thing.
>>43637852
>"Every 'socialist' country in the world is really just 'capitalist' and that's why bad things still happen in the world."
Zizek posts on 4chan now? Why am I not surprised...
>>43637797
Did someone say Techno Viking?
I can also see them offering Protection for Crops and Shit deal with the British Isles. Sort of like a revival of the Danelaw.
Anglanders provides technical expertise and food, and the Scandilanders provide the military. Its an uneasy alliance as nobody really trust anyone and there are at least 4 or 5 pre-war languages in this alliance plus the occasional post-war tribal variation.
Oxford is where the technically minded from all parts of the Danelaw get sent. Its considered and honour and a loss because you have to forsake any prior vows of loyalty and swear to serve the Danelaw as a whole.
Wales, Cornwall, Ireland and the Gaelic half of Scotland get together and make their own alliance with blackjack and hookers and their own branch of Catholicism. The Manx ends up as a somewhat lawless trading port where everyone trades. Its like ye olde Tortuga with worse weather.
Shetland and Faroe Islands has gone full isolationist. The military base has become the throne of the Warrior King. Language seems to be a mix of Danish and Glaswegian.
London is a still glowing crater and nobody but ghouls and worse are found near there.
>>43637877
>>43637756
>Italy has devolved back into city states and fortified villas,
A 2276 Marco Polo would be interesting.
>>43637963
Hey buddy, I think you got the wrong door. The leather club's two blocks down.
>>43637895
>Always vikings
>Always the fucking vikings.
You know, guys, Scandinavia has had other parts in their history aside from YE OLDE VIKINGS AND LONGBOATS.
Why not allow the Swedish Empire to once more rise from the ashes of nuclear war? Why not allow it to finally rid the world of kebab?
>>43637204
The NCR would likely have expeditionary forces in north Mexico, especially consiering their territory slips ever so slightly over the border. The Brotherhood of Steel sent a detachment to Texas at one point, I can't remember it's exact fate, but I don't think it was successful at all. As the remnants of the US government, I don't see why the Enclave would give a shit about Mexico at this point, by 2280 they barely have any remaining support in the US, let alone worrying about Mexican relations.
I thought I read somewhee that Mexico was run by raider-like Cartels, but honestly I doubt it to be canonical considering the circumstances.
>>43636657
China is fucking gone, yo. It got nuked to shit about five times harder than America did.
>>43637998
You sure you didn't just watch the news?
>>43637997
>>43637997
>Why not allow it to finally rid the world of kebab?
Be the Middle East blew itself up(finally). Kebab is removed.
>>43637997
Sounds damn fine to me.
Norway and Denmark get to found the post Apocalyptic Danelaw and Sweden founds a cold water Roman Empire sort of thing around the Baltic Sea.
>>43638041
Did the Middle East blow itself up? I thought it just kind of fizzled out.
>>43638056
Alright, that's fair. We Swedish Empire now.
>>43638041
That's only the start of the problem, anon. We must now turn to the kebab found on our very own shores.
>>43637816
now I want a fallout France based on the technocratic optimism of the 70's, with giant corbusier design and DS cars
>>43636589
No.
>>43638060
I'd assume that would be the case. How can we remove Kebab when Kebab removed itself for us?
>>43638073
But who is the Kebab? I do have an absurd headcanon on Deathclaws being a religious society, but that's based on a very rational hate I have for them.
>>43636657
>Vaults were commissioned in 2054.
In an alternate reality where most technology never passed 1940s/1950s and America was comically ahead in the tech race.
>>43638090
>Who is the kebab
You... don't know a lot about Sweden, do you, anon?
>>43638148
I recall a lot of immigrants going to it. Wait. They're Kebab. Would that still happen in the Fallout universe?
>>43636589
I love me some Fallout.
Games are mediocre, aside from NV which I played pretty much all in a week over Christmas so I get warm fuzzy feelings.
I love the lore, even though I know it make's no sense.
>>43638181
>one week
Fucking casuals.
>>43637839
I'd be more worried about the reef eating boats and swatting planes out of the sky.
>>43637839
>a seething, irradiated Great Barrier Reef.
>>43638227
>the reef eating boats and swatting planes out of the sky.
I want this.
>>43638073
>>43638056
>>43637997
I'm imagining the post-apocalypse Baltic Empire being formed from a trade triangle between Sweden, Finland and Poland.
It would be the most depressing Empire in the world since Imperial Russia. Food is usually either turnips or fish. Winter kills more people than the combined deathclaw bears and radiation, there are deep freeze ghouls known as snowmen, there is something big living at the bottom of the Baltic, occasionally either Mongolians or Russians turn up and neither are nice and in winter the entire sea freezes and the Empire goes into siege mode against the fucking snowmen.
And the Sámi, who barely fucking noticed the world ending, are quite positive that nobody should go too far north.
They are freaking out about something. It is, admittedly, quite hard to tell when they are freaking out because they are basically double Finns but they are. There is something up at the roof of the world and even by post-apocalyptic standards its not fucking right.
Don't go too far north.
Ug-Quoloth. He comes.
>>43638221
One week, 60 hours! I was very bored.
I did a Legion run, but since then I've done an NCR and Indep. Of course I've also played the fantastic DLCs, bringing my total up to 230 hours.
Thinking of trying to play 1 or 2, but not sure if I can handle the old time-y graphics.
>>43636890
The current pope is some kind of Marxist, he sympathizes with liberation theology.
>>43638243
>my dick
>>43636835
Scouser detected.
>>43638243
>combined deathclaw bears
Would the oceans still exist? I can imagine Deathclaws migrating to Europe.
>There is something up at the roof of the world and even by post-apocalyptic standards its not fucking right.
>Ug-Quoloth. He comes.
I'm sold! Take my money.
>>43636629
is there any good /tg/ related metro stuff?
>>43636629
Am I the only one who thought 2034 (Book) was absolute arse?
>>43638277
Deathclaws were reptilian. I don't think they would survive a Scandinavian winter.
Instead they just have fucked up mutant polar bears. They are bigger, stronger and harder to hurt.
On the positive side they tent to be solitary.
>>43638175
>Would that still happen in the Fallout universe?
even more so, as there was no white supremacy in fallout
>>43638302
>Deathclaws were reptilian. I don't think they would survive a Scandinavian winter.
There is a Hairy Deathclaw variation if I'm not mistaken.
>Instead they just have fucked up mutant polar bears. They are bigger, stronger and harder to hurt.
I'm okay with this.
>>43638304
Thanks, Anon.
>>43638250
>Thinking of trying to play 1 or 2, but not sure if I can handle the old time-y graphics.
I tried, and I couldn't. I lost interest pretty fast. It's a shame video games don't age as well as other media.
The lore _is_ fantastic though.
>>43638282
Not that i know of.
Though a game in Metro setting would be pretty easy. Just take one of tacticool systems out there, slav it up and cram everyone underground.
>>43638302
>Implying the Russian's weren't creating weaponized Bear equivalents to
inb4 chinese weaponised Pandas
>>43637738
This shit is fucking retarded.
>>43638329
Now I want to see a fight between a Deathclaw and it's communist counterpart. Have Americans and Commies cheering on their respective monster.
>>43637738
>Rhinopottamuses
what the fuck are you popping
>>43638329
I'm guessing that the current abomination bears plaguing the lands or Russia and Scandinavia (and spreading) could have been some messed up Russian experiment that escaped when the war broke out.
It remains and in-game speculation. Records from that time are sparse and there are stranger things twisted by radiation.
>>43637997
>>43638243
>It took 500 years, but eventually the Swedish dream of Dominium maris baltici has finally been achieved. The Baltic sea bows before the Swedish might. It's residents, however, do not...
>>43638304
>there was no white supremacy in fallout
there was humans vs ghouls & muties thing to make up for that
Oh damn, now that you reminded me, I still have that Fallout: Tactics game in progrees I would like to get back to. Put it on hiatus after having to retry one of the hostage missions way too many times.
>>43638357
I agree. Any idea for some weaponized Chinesed stuff? I hate to say the Panda really is the extend of my knowledge of Chinese animalia.
>>43638319
You're right, other than mayve Pong which is basically tennis, old game's don't tarnish well.
>>43637997
But anon, what made Scandinavian dudes with muskets and colourful uniforms unique from all the other dudes with muskerts and colourful uniforms? Surely the defining feature should be what's unique to the region, country, etc.
>>43637627
>>43637738
How would a laslock rifle even work? You hold the battery up to the socket until the energy is transferred?
>>43638395
think this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girandoni_air_rifle
except with hand dynamo instead of compressor pump
>>43638243
>>43638302
>>43638315
>>43638357
>>43638367
>Baltic Empire founded on misery, mutual hatred and alcoholism
>Caroleans with laser rifles fighting side by side with Hussars and Hakkapelli
>Ghoulish, Russian abominations stalking the night
All of my yes. This shit is amazing. And there is so much atmosphere you can put into a setting like this. Especially if Hardcore mode forces you to worry about the cold.
Just imagine seeking shelter in an old wooden lodge to escape the snowstorm, only to find yourself alone with a fucking BEAR.
Also, Russian Submarine in the Swedish arcipelago. You know it has to be there.
>>43638395
Soldiers carry bandoleers with quite a few rechargable batteries.The bandoleers are hooked up to solar panels, with the option of also adding a hand-crank.
Whilst it means they have to reload after each shot, it does mean that each battery could give, potentially, several hundred shots if charged again and again and again.
>>43638386
>Every country must be determined by the vague stereotypes cobbled up by some neckbeard on the internet!
>>43638424
>Caroleans with laser rifles
>Not Carolingians
C H A R L E M A G N E
L A S E R M A G N E
>>43638424
Fallout 5. This needs to be Fallout 5.
>>43638439
...What?
>>43638420
>>43638431
So it's a laser musket that doesn't shoot its wad all at once? Might be cool.
>>43638456
>Implying Bethesda can make a setting to save their lives.
>>43638457
Sorry, I'm talking about the Carolingians, under Charlemagne. This is turning more into /his/ than /tg/ I feel
>>43636589
Would any of the other nations have Enclave equivalents?
>>43638486
Do we really have to shoehorn in the Enclave into every other thing? I mean, yeah, they were great in Fallout 2. I think we can all agree on that. But obsessivly forcing them into every damn setting or game has just made them boring.
>>43638473
We draw them a pretty picture detailing the instructions on how to make this. Make it fool proof.
>>43638504
Well, we can always go over things and develop the setting for fun. So on average, is the Balistic Empire primarily a snow-ridden wasteland of cold and misery? Insular little villages afraid to look out the window at night?
>>43638486
You could have an analogue in the european commonwealth, based out of whatever would have been their version of bruessels/Nato headquarters. "At last, with the great masses of pleb people dead, we can implement the perfect european union"
Would be pretty unoriginal though.
>>43638572
Well, the original part could be that their grand mision completely and utterly failed even before it could get off the ground. Mainly due to infighting.
>>43638571
Night? That's when it's safer. It's sure as hell colder than day, but that's for the best.
The beasts only come out at day.
>>43636642
Tenpenny doesn't even sound British. He just sounds like a posh American.
I guess a shit ton of kingdoms and principalities would resurface in the balkans, if any parts are still liveable.
>>43638587
Thus forcing the player to travel during the night, naturally making things more spooky?
Brilliant.
Also, we better have the Groke in there.
>>43638486
There would be institutions that could, in one way or another, trace their origin back to some pre-war government institution.
Oxford University in the Danelaw is the last continuously functioning institution of Britain.
Turnmill Nuclear Power Station is the seat of the Welsh government in the Irish Alliance, they provide the electricity to most of the alliance.
I'm seeing the Welsh surviving the radioactive fallout in old slate and coal mines. Some un named nut job, or was called a nut job pre-war, stock piled tinned food in those old tunnels on the chance that American and China were going to fuck everything up for everyone. Nobody remembers now exactly who he was. It probably wasn't even one person. They call him Uncle Jones, but that's just a folk name.
>>43638587
Day? You mean the half of the year when the sun actually rises?
>>43638227
And then there's all those asshole Reef Cultists running about kidnapping people to sacrifice to the reef as additional biomass. It grows. It feeds. God help the Aussies if the reef starts encroaching on land and moving in.
>>43638615
Nothing wrong with travelling in the day, but it's extremely dangerous. Thankfully most of the animals fight and eat each other, so you could slip by unnoticed.
>>43636962
Its still not nukes. They might as well have rebuilt and are maybe planning to send Agents in the US to see if they can colonize there.
I like this one.
>>43638632
Alright this I like.
>>43638623
>>43638633
Maybe we should meet halfway and make the night and day cycle unnaturally long in this setting in gameplay terms. The idea being to make it long enough to be noticed, but still short enough that you can have multiple cycles during a game.
Or hell, let's do it like this: Nights tend to be bone-crushing cold with clear skies and a bright moon. Days tend to be warmer, but extremely cloudy and misty. We Silent Hill now.
>>43638633
Think of you as a mouse scuttling under under the feet of an elephant and a lion fighting.
You are so small and insignificant in their eyes.
>>43638693
I like that a lot. The entire game shifts between two paradigms, the days and the nights. Each about 4 normal days in length.
>>43637997
>Scandinavia has had other parts in their history aside from YE OLDE VIKINGS AND LONGBOATS
But no other part is nearly as interesting.
>>43638702
I may be taking your metaphor too literally here, but I don't think the Balitic Empire should be full of megafauna that clash like titans. I think it should be more survival horror in the vast, dark and snow-covered forests.
>>43638725
To expand on the Day/Night cycle, we could have serious enviromental differences between the two. Say we have a good chunk of the Baltic Sea present in the miniaturized gameworld. During the day, it is "merely" freezing cold and kills you right quickly. During the night, the sea freezes over and allows you to traverse it. Assuming the ice doesn't crack or... worse.. something breaks OUT.
>>43638725
>>43638693
Has anyone ever done Arctic-cold post apoc before?
>>43636726
>Not even the most fantastically right-wing American would call Imperial Germany a Socialist country.
Imperial Germany was a 10/10 Democracy. They had a head-of-state who could start wars whenever he felt like ot and they linked the power of each person's vote diectly to their income.
>>43638386
Religious fanaticism and insane discipline in battle. Also one of the earliest permanent standing armies.
>>43638755
>tfw no gigantic polar bears roaming the tundra.
Fair enough, survival is important. But can we establish the bears are pretty big.
A different question: who wouldn't be nuked indiscriminately enough to be wiped out, but still have a high enough tech level to reasonavly survive the fallout and lack of trade/infrastructure? Those nations would be the superpowers out of sheer elimination.
I'm thinking Italy for some reason.
>>43638738
>But no other part is nearly as interesting.
They stole Central Europes's forests during the 30 Year's War and defeated Russia during a winter war. After that, they developed the prettiest jet fighter ever.
>>43638431
Solar panels? In post-apocalyptic Britain?
>>43638773
>Dire Mutant Canada Geese
>>43638755
Environmental difference's are a must have. The entire dynamic of human settlements could change as well, like everyone moving inside or underground. The vendor standing by the bar outside in the night is sitting by a generator in a bunker during the day.
>>43638781
>prettiest jet fighter ever
Scandinavians worked on the F-15C?
>>43638787
It would take a nuclear war to get Dave to invest in proper solar infrastructure.
>>43638789
Reminder this is what a shaved polar bear looks like. this is terrifying.
>>43638615
>>43638587
>>43638571
It living hell in winter with frostbite and no sun for months and weather the likes of which only Siberians and Canadians understand but that's just Baltic winter in general.
At least the Abomination Bears are asleep in winter.
Down side is that the snowmen get really frisky and come out of the north and the mountains and the lands of always-snow. In summer they retreat to places of no warmth where only the Sami are troubled by them.
In winter they mass and besiege the settlements of the Baltic Empire.
Laser weapons, alcohol and oil based flame throwers, plasma-rifles and just about anything that kills with heat in some way are super effective. Bullets are super fucking useless.
And the Sami, in the lands of Kaamos, speak in hushed voices of the Groke. It can't be stopped. It can't be killed. And it is the herald of something worse.
Other than that it's not that bad of a place. Starvation isn't really that much of an issue, there is alcohol that doesn't turn you blind, the people are hard and by the standards of the broken world quite pretty, the warlords/chiefs/kings/whatever actually tend to care about their subjects and trade and movement happen.
Its all the other shit that goes with it that's the problem.
>>43638290
No, it really wasn't that good. 2033 was an excellent book though, so it was pretty hard to measure up.
>>43638781
Like I said, that's not nearly as interesting as vikings.
>>43638424
>Just imagine seeking shelter in an old wooden lodge to escape the snowstorm, only to find yourself alone with a fucking BEAR.
>You enter the lodge, but it was already taken by a bear.
>Fight it to earn the rights to stay there!
>>43638805
I'm more suggesting that the sun probably comes out roughly once every decade.
>>43638820
>anything that kills with heat in some way are super effective
This is a fantastic idea, superheated swords and spears anyone?
>Starvation isn't really that much of an issue
Why? What are they growing or culturing? Are we /hydroponics/ or actual farming.
>>43636694
Canada nuked 'em. No, seriously.
>>43638837
I'm not sure to what extent the globes axis tilt would have been altered, but that's too much IMO
Meanwhile, throughout all of this, the undersea city-state of Atlantis is going pretty damn well. Their only issue is the submarines were up top when everything went to shit, but they're deep enough down that they didn't suffer from the fallout at all, and it was a completely sealed country.
Of course, the Council are keeping it quite that they only have the spare parts to build two more air-scrubbers. And the leak in sector 07Q is a bit of an issue.
And all the water outside the lead-glass is radioactive.
But if they can figure a way to the surface, Councilwoman Kida is pretty damn sure they'll be okay.
>>43638870
fuck this is beyond fallout at this point
>>43638876
Everything outside of America and maybe Canada are beyond Fallout.
>>43637011
That doesn't change the fact that it happened.
>>43638849
They basically eat turnips. Day in and day out.
>>43638615
>Also, we better have the Groke in there.
You evil, evil person.
I can totally dig that, as long as it have voice from Polish version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53ZcjYqkVms
>>43638909
>>43638820
So the Groke should be a unique NPC/monster that roams the land on its own? All but unkillable, it is rarely seen, but every encounter is deadly. And not just because of the frozen aura she radiates.
>>43638367
If anyone would be willing to host this. Count me in.No seriously. Zaaambieez @Skype/Roll20
>>43638259
If "marxism" means "being nice to each other in general, and to poor in particular" today then I suppose being marxist is good.
>>43638424
>>Baltic Empire founded on misery, mutual hatred and alcoholism
>>Caroleans with laser rifles fighting side by side with Hussars and Hakkapelli
>>Ghoulish, Russian abominations stalking the night
As a Polish I can dig it. Europe is pretty underused in post apocalyptic setting.Even the one made in Poland (Neuroshima) is using US, inspired by Mad Max, Fallout, Terminator, and a bit of Waterworld. Mexico and lot to the south is taken over by Neo-Jungle, States is a mix of irradiated wasteland from Fallout, with Florida being swamp, Texas not being polluted at all (the only place where you can be from without some deadly sickness that you need to take daily meds), and New York forming new government. Northern States and southern Canada is taken over by Moloch - think Skynet and his fabrics in all of that area. He created mutants, but mostly uses robots to wage war on mankind.
>>43636644
The US might have saturated Russia with way more nukes than Russia could hit the US with. In New Vegas, its stated that defense systems prevented 80 nukes from hitting the Mojave desert at the time.
>UK is a radioactive hellhole
>90% of the population is Ghouls
>Gone techno-feudalism
>Glowing Ghouls become Nobel's
>Nobel's have power armor, power weapons and advanced cybernetics etc
>The peasant folk are armed with whatever scrap gear they can find
>There is so much radiation that the Ghouls have insane healing and endurance
>It's so batshit crazy a severed arm or body part chunk can grow into a new Ghoul
>The Brits are known to go on Crusades into Europe and beyond to get resources/technology/tea etc
not sure what else to add
>>43636642
That tells me the exact opposite, really.
If someone has the means and will to cross the Atlantic Ocean and then actually set themselves up in wasteland America to the degree that Tenpenny did, then Europe, or at least England is going pretty good.
>>43637005
>rest of the world nukes itself into the dark ages
>still technologically ahead of the un-nuked africans
>>43638583
Wait a second...
I get to beat up feminists, travel the world AND customize my armor?
Where the fuck do I sign up?
>>43638976
With the Baltic Empire, I think we should focus less on ripping off Mad Max and more of making it its own unique brand of misery. Cold, depressing surroundings. It's dark, miserable and more than its fair share of creepy. The wasteland should be dark and foreboading, with massive piles of snow and giant forests. Just imagine the problems you'd have with getting a flashlight.
>>43638989
>nobels
obligatory shitty mention of the Templars as an evil/secret society that planned the apocalypse in europe and now control advanced tech
Although i think there would be a huge market for the Saints Hospitallers to retool themselves back into the warrior-medical role instead of pure philantropy
>>43639024
What the fuck are you on about, this is Fallout.
>>43639024
so the brotherhood(depending on your point of view)
>>43639001
>>43639024
why are you talking aboiut the storyline of assassins creed
>>43639017
meant nobles, I can't spell for fuck today
>>43639008
That's not China you're looking at, that sun glare.
Earth itself is rotated that you are either looking at North America or Europe, I'm not sure but likely N.A. You would not be able to see China from either location anyway.
However, the big glowing spot is just shitty done 'glare' and utterly unrelated to an irradiated location.
Aliens have been canon since the first game.
Just build a bridge and get over it.
>>43639063
All of this, really. With the addition that villages tend to stick together but hate every other village. Poles hates Swedes who look down on Finns, and so on.
>>43639072
Got a screenshot of that? Not doubting you, I just want to see it.
>>43639092
Ah, so easter eggs count as canon now?
>>43639118
Yes, if the easter eggs get a canon DLC.
The Great Barrier Reef is dying in places from Eucalyptus runoff.
Radiation would just kill it off for good.
>>43639063
I actually see cossacks becoming Techno Raiders like those in Fallout: Tactics, but with more motorcycles/mecha-horses.
America was also becoming isolationist, actively lying to it's own people and generally keeping shitty paperwork. China had personal cloaking technology and America still didn't know how it worked.
America wasn't ahead in the tech department at all.
>>43639199
Europe did have the Resource Wars though, so they weren't in a great shape.
Though who knows what sort of secret projects they built for those wars
>>43639163
Where's the funding when we need it.
>>43636886
Vault 0 was the first vault, the one before the program. It's canonically Cheanne mountain complex, home to norad and the largest air force base in the US.
>>43637204
Raul in New Vegas had some interesting things to say about Mexico.
In real life, China was building a nuclear shelter designed to house a truly staggering number of people. I see no reason that they wouldn't have continued the project in a universe like Fallout.
>>43637627
>Deathclaw Cavalry
Not gonna lie, my first thought when I heard that was "That's fucking retarded."
What is happening to Japan in fallout.
>>43637738
Gonna point out that the Oceans are only green near the shores. The clear up when you move about 50 miles out.
Checking info on Fallout 1-2 weapons, to check which could be in Europe:
>Glock 86 Plasma Pistol (Austrian company)
>Winchester Model P94 Plasma Rifle (United States company)
>Wattz 1000 Laser Pistol + Magneto-Laser Pistol (upgraded with a magnetic field targeting system that tightenes the laser emission, giving this pistol extra penetration power)
>Wattz 2000 Laser Rifle
>H&K L30 Gatling Laser (German company)
>PPK12 Gauss Pistol (German design)
>M72 Gauss Rifle (German design)
>Minigun, Avenger Minigun, Rocket Launcher - all made by Rockwell Automation (United States company)
>Vindicator Minigun - Rheinmetal AG (German company)
>YK32 Pulse Pistol & YK42B Pulse Rifle - Yuma Flats Energy Consortium (New Mexico)
Tactics advanced weapon:
>MEC Gauss MiniGun (Chinese design)
That makes Vindicator Minigun, Plasma pistol, Gatling Laser, Gauss Gun & Rifle to be confirmed ones.
As the Gatling Laser was made by Germans, Laser Pistol and Rifle by extension are possible. Same with Plasma Rifle, which is not as far.
The only change is the ammo, as Micro-Fusion Cells was US only.
>>43638473
Apparently, they succeeded with Fallout 4.
AKA "Post-Apocalyptic Warlord Simulator"
>>43639404
Nuked to oblivion, I presume.
>>43639476
you mean the game that is exactly the same as fallout 3, wherein they just mildly revamped and detoriated the lore made by someone else?
>>43639491
It's not an entirely a bad future.
>>43639495
Don't know if Interplay ever detailed anything about the Commonwealth since the first I ever heard of them WAS in Fallout 3.
>>43639495
Has Interplay ever really talked all that much about the East Coast?
>>43636589
Sure they do. Vault-Tech was a company it's not restricted to America. America has BMWs and Toyotas despite being German and Japanese products
>>43639650
United States didn't wanted to share Micro-Fusion technology, so it's possible that other countries had to work on their own.
>>43638976
>Europe is pretty underused
I'm bitter as fuck this game never made it outside the language barrier
>>43639766
Looks pretty neat, what's it like?
>>43638094
Did they finally replace Vacuum Tube with Transistors?
I would guess 'yes' but the lack of it's invention was meant to be one of the key differences between Fallout's world and ours.
>>43639782
Well, it took a considerable while for them to expand outside of Sweden, but the Untamed Reichs of the Eastersea book did cool shit for lots of places. Just some choice parts:
>Humans hid underground while fighting their wars to end the world with robot armies
>Humans experimented and turned mutant for various military purposes
>Animals experimented on and turned sentient for the heck of it (yes, really)
>Eventually people lose control and everything is nuked
>Forbidden Zones at all former big population centers/capital cities
>Robots bound by the Robot Laws
>Non-mutant humans that ascended from vaults are aristocracy in the new reichs
>Psyker mutants hunted by the inquisition and generally hated by everyone
>Quiet two-legged moose mutants with muskets rule the forests
>Ginormous bumblebees with enormous tunnel networks on the plains
>Death worms eat pioneer towns whole
>Terrorbots kill fucking everything on sight (usually)
>That One Robot the size of a skyscraper guarding a bridge in the middle of nowhere and nuking anyone who comes near it
>New society knows jack shit about old tech, we steampunk with lasers
>Writers have the best dark humor ever
I miss those days.
>>43639912
Sounds interesting, now I'm sad I may never get to play it.
>>43639967
Well, yeah.
I've been meaning to try GMing a campaign of it with my usual group, but having to translate _everything_ either on the fly or beforehand would be such a damn hurdle.
That said, I have plans to give them a little taste of it anyway.
>>43639912
Rules descended from BRP.
>>43639912
>Quiet two-legged moose mutants with muskets rule the forests
>Ginormous bumblebees with enormous tunnel networks on the plains
How horrifying.This would be fun to play.
>>43640073
Yeah, the d100 system used there is one i prefer vastly over d20. Dodge and Parry skills + armor as absorption is so much healthier to work with than AC shit any day of the week.
>>43640098
You have no idea. The monster book is an absolute goldmine - it even doubles as a cookbook, like a small-scale Dungeon Meshi years before its time.
Oh, and the amount of fun you can have with Mutations is just icing on the cake.
>giant fire-breathing lizard mutants with wings
>and a railgun
>>43636641
I would play this.
>>43636753
this. Any word on it ?
>>43636707
>I did a tour of the Manchester Undercity once. Holy shit. A man with a pickaxe and a sense of direction could go where ever he wanted by knocking down old walls into forgotten cellars. So long as he didn't mind wading through waist high water. The water is remarkably clear.
Watch out for dead Dwarves.
>>43639912
didn't they release a swedish post apoc rpg, translated to english in the past year? I think that was Mutant.
>>43640243
There was a new release of Mutant last year (Mutant: Year Zero) but I never heard of any translation of it.
>>43640268
http://www.modiphius.com/mutant.html
Well, okay. This is a fun find.
>>43637572
Would play the shit out of this
>>43640280
Enjoy, anon. It was a fairly big marketing push. Actually, the past two years has seen a surprising surge in Swedish rpg material. Weird.
Anyway, on topic. What nations would be best positioned to rebuild their industrial capability?
>>43639473
But how do they power energy pistols without those tiny fusion cells?
>>43640345
As someone >>43638431 came up with idea, solar powered batteries that needs to be kept on the backpack while loading, while you fire with one of them.
>>43638243
Give this man a job, Bethesda, please
>>43636726
>Not even the most fantastically right-wing American would call Imperial Germany a Socialist country.
Oh yeah of little faith.
> It has never sought to place the means of production in the hands of the workers
Löntagarfonderna from back in the eighties are feeling pretty forgotten here. Not a very aggressive state takeover, but the original idea (which may have been quite hard to recognise in the final implementation) was to have the people, through the state, slowly squire majority shares of all major Swedish corporations.
>>43638864
I think he means because it rains all the time and is cloudy on a good day.
