>Don't adhere to stupid "only these many dudes can actually fight at any given time" rules of the Codex Astartes, preferring to just hammer the enemy with overwhelming force
>Actually do what they can to speed up recruitment so they can remain at full strength at all times
>Don't have a bunch of dumb ancestor worship and ridiculous rituals like so many other Chapters, instead just respecting the Imperium
>Once trolled an Ultramarines successor over sucking Calgar's dick so hard that they almost declared war
>Chapter Master is an immortal badass
Why are the Minotaurs the best Chapter, /tg/?
They are quickly taking up the "Imperial Mary Sue" mantle.
>>43591055
Because they are loyalist World Eaters?
>>43591202
Wouldn't that be the Blood Angels or their successors? The Minotaurs don't really show any sign of blood madness or anything. The Blood Angels, Blood Drinkers, Flesh Tearers, and the like actually thirst for blood and go nuts with ripping and tearing.
>>43591202
Their gene seed is chimeric after the reset. They take elements from ALL legions.
>>43591114
The Minotaurs aren't Ultramarines or Red Scorpions, though.
>>43591055
If you want a chapter that doesn't follow the Girliman's codex and is bad ass try pucture relatedinb4 I'm a faggot for suggesting the space yiff
>>43591282
Please explain
>>43591315
You're not a faggot, you just have shit taste
>>43591055
> are teamkilling snowflake fuckbins
I'll tell you why they aren't.
>>43591055
Because they have shit Chapter Tactics.
>>43591055
>Once trolled an Ultramarines successor over sucking Calgar's dick so hard that they almost declared war
You typed "Went above and beyond what was necessary to stop 2 chapters fighting, being so retarded to the point of attacking one of the 2 so hard only 100 marines were left to surrender" wrong.
>>43591055
>are routinely pegged by the High Lords, literally being bent over tables, begging for mortal cock and to obey the commands of mortals
>also teamkilling fags who take pride in betraying their brothers
Why don't you kill yourself?
>>43591055
Because they enjoy taking orders from an ineffective governing body that exists out of the spirit of compromise?
>>43591055
Problem is, the Minotaurs are dicks and they skirt dangerously at the edge of Imperial law. Chapters are supposed to be autonomous, the Minotaurs instead answer directly to the high lords. This incidentally is also how they get away with skirting the regulations on chapter size.
They also give 0 fucks about civilians, and are basically huge dicks all day every day
>>43591391
Except you can't.
Especially with one of the High Lords' cocks in your mouth.
>>43591316
He means chimeric in the scientific sense, ya dingus. A hybrid stemming from multiple sources.
>>43591202
They're Iron Warriors.
>>43591055
But they're the lap dogs of High Lords, they're their Space Wolves.
>>43591492
I'm a faggot for posting this, my reading comprehension sucks almost as bad as the Minotaurs suck at being Marines.
Fellow anti-Minotaur bro I have wronged, accept my apologies.
>>43591493
I got that, I just didn't realize that the Imperium had that kind of technical know how
>>43591391
I'm a faggot and misread what you typed (thinking you were denying that Minofags are teamkilling shitbirds), ignore my accusation of you blowing the High Lords. That's what Minofags do.
>>43591538
It's nothing special - each gene seed is developed separately, but some chapters receive stock from various lines when they receive it from Terra.
>>43591538
They don't mix the gene seed in vats, they just take it out from all different sources. The end result is probably a Chapter with varying levels of deficient mutations in gene-seed and a headache for their Apothecaries.
>>43591489
But real life armies can also not care about civilians during battle just as well.
Fuck the Minotaurs, lets talk about the Night Reapers, one of the chapters they destroyed. Those guys were legit, fuck the ecclrsiarchy.
>>43591596
I haven't heard of them. Tell me of their triumphs and glories
>>43591316
Basically, there are implications that they were part of the Cursed Founding, and either had their gene-seed come from multiple Chapters, prohibited sources, or outright was artificially created or tampered with somehow. Anyone looking into it has a tendency to either disappear, or suddenly "forget" all about it.
>>43591315
>Implying Spess Yiffs have been badass since WOLF LORD WOLF WOLFBORN RIDING HIS THUNDERWOLF AND WIELDING WOLF CLAWS AGAINST THE ENEMIES OF THE GREAT WOLF WHILE COMMANDING HIS STORMWOLF
At least suggest Black Templars if you want badass Muhreens. Hell, I didn't even get into the stupidity of calling someone the Jackalwolf.
>>43591538
The Imperium might have lost a ton of engineering / scientific knowledge, but they seem to have command of a (relatively) advanced medical knowledge base (functional cybernetics, drugs that grant immortality, bio computers/robots).
>>43591587
And those people are assholes too?>>43591607
The Night Reapers are a chapter that went renegade and fell to chaos after the ecclesiarche had a shit fit at them. Basically, when outnumbered a hundred to one, they refused to defend an imperial shrine world because it was tactically indefensible and strategically unimportant. They turned their guns on the planet itself, killing everyone before the chaos fleet could arrive as a mercy killing. http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Night_Reapers
>>43591489
>They also give 0 fucks about civilians
As opposed to 90% of all Space Marine Chapters? I mean, the Iron Hands actively use fleshies as meat shields. What dedicated siege Chapter actually gives a fuck about collateral damage?
>>43591391
>>43591481
>Being this butthurt there actually exists a Chapter to deal with Space Marines going renegade
>Pretending they didn't basically save the Orpheus sector by suiciding the Necron Overlord's command ship while the rest of the Imperial forces simply got their asses kicked
>>43591202
>>43591282
>>43591316
>>43591493
>>43591631
The Minotaurs are IRON WARRIORS, it was confirmed by one of the writers. E
Enough with this World Eaters/Chimera bullshit. At *most,* it's possible that the 'original' Minotaurs with the stripey red-yellow colour scheme were chimeras, but the current brass-red incarnation is all IRON WARRIOR all the time.
>>43591701
Which writer? Where did he say it?
>>43591596
>>43591687
Wow, I felt a little bad for the Night Reapers at first, but reading that wiki page just proves you're talking out of your ass. The Night Reapers were even bigger dicks than the Minotaurs are, and out of their own volition rather than because of orders.
Why not arm that Shrine World and make it a guerrilla nightmare for invading Chaos troops? Why not evacuate the relics and critical personnel as is standard protocol? They literally wasted God knows how much time and munitions murdering millions if not billions of Imperial citizens, then didn't show even the slightest signs of remorse when called out on their bullshit.
The fact that they didn't even try to admit they were wrong and openly deviated dangerously from Imperial protocol is just the icing on the cake before they decided to turn to piracy and outright Chaos worship. If any chapter deserved getting shit on by the Minotaurs, it was these cunts.
Dude, the Minotaurs weren't even the best Chapter in the Badab War. The Star Phantoms were the ones who actually won the war, and their doctrine of "it doesn't matter how you win, as long as you win" is far more sensible than "we have a ton of dudes, let's chuck them at the enemy, we can always make more". And they had the genius idea of giving their super-human soldiers with decades of resources poured into them more big guns than a 10,000 year old book said they should for some reason.
Plus, they look bitchin'.
>>43591527
>>43591561
You are forgiven, Brother.
May the Imperator Mortifex find you worthy; May your death in his service ring through the centuries in saga and song.
>>43591855
They also shoot their own allies
>"Unsuitable for tactical close support of other Imperial Units"
>>43591285
Ebin meme dude XD
>>43591701
The source that describes their gene-seed as "chimeric" literally says that it may be because it came from prohibited sources, which a Traitor Legion most certainly would fall under. Hell, odds are it's a little bit of A and a little bit of B, with them tampering with the Iron Warriors gene-seed. All that's stated in the Badab War books is that the gene-seed is unusual and doesn't seem to fit any known sources. The rest is just speculation.
>>43591891
Not on purpose.
Maybe if you fucks weren't getting stuck in through some ill-founded notion of personal glory, none of that would have happened.
There is no glory to be gained from your deeds in life, Brother; your life is only worth what is bought with its sacrifice.
How big are they? The Black Templars only have like 1200 now and they were considered the crazy large ones before.
>>43591891
Hey, if you want to make an omelette, sometimes you have to break some guardsmen. Besides, it's not like they don't have a tendency of blowing their own dudes up too. They're not being dicks about friendly fire, if you happen to stand in the direction their guns are pointing, it's your own fault.
>>43591701
Source please.
>>43591944
>Not on purpose.
That makes it even worse
they went from coldblooded but efficient to incompetent
>>43591981
Well hopefully these Star Phantoms can hold their obligations without joint operations from the rest of the Imperium.
>>43591957
It's not that the Minotaurs are much larger than other Chapters, it's that they don't really believe in reserve companies, and use rather unusual methods to speed up the transition from neophyte to initiate to stay at full strength almost constantly.
So while they're basically Chapter strength, they usually bring their entire Chapter to every battle and beat the enemy down with overwhelming force.
>>43592004
>incompetent
I'm not the one who brought a chainsword to a gunfight, brother.
>>43592035
Are the minotaurs basically just an anti space marine chapter?
Do they fight against the normal enemies of the imperium.
Its interesting that each wing of the imperium has some marines to specifically support.
High Lords - Minotaurs
Ordos Xenos - Deathwatch
Ordo Malleus - Grey Knights
Mechanicus - Ironhands (sorta)
Am I missing anything else?
Could be some homebrew ideas for a chapter dedicated to the protection and execution of the black ships.
>>43592004
>>43592006
To clarify, the Star Phantoms worship martyrs, don't really give a fuck about the living because they haven't died for the Emperor yet, and have absolutely zero problems with dying (after all, only in death does duty end), as long as it means they're closer to victory. They got some shit from the Inquisition over their weird death cult, but it was all cleared up eventually. Nowadays, they don't really get shit for friendly fire, because their entire shtick is GUNS, but rather just tend to be left out of any campaign that doesn't involve razing fucking everything to the ground, because their approach to warfare basically consists of "drop from orbit, destroy fucking everything, go home".
For instance, they were kept out of the Badab War until it was time to lay siege to Badab Primaris. At that point they threw a sun at the defense platforms, leveled the entire city, and defeated Huron.
They've also done wonders against Leviathan, as their approach to warfare was really effective at getting rid of Tyranid infestations.
>>43592155
You forgot deathstorm drop pods for days.
>>43592101
The Red Hunters. And the Mechanicus is much moreso the Steel Confessors.
>>43592155
I don't see then what they do that a couple of Lance Batteries couldn't do much cheaper. Furthermore, that doesn't change their allies' aversion to them. If I were an allied ground commander in a warzone I'd try to avoid the hell out of them.
>>43591915
>>43591701
>>43591736
>>43592101
They're not strictly an anti-Marine Chapter. After all, they've fought tons of xenos and heretics, like the Necrons at Orpheus. It's just that when renegade Marines need to be taken care of, it's usually the Minotaurs that get sent since they don't really have any of the usual Space Marine holy cows that lead to shit like the Badab War. They give no fucks about Primarchs, successors, doctrine, or much of anything besides serving the Imperium. Plus they tend to be even more indoctrinated and brainwashed than regular Marines. Hence the aforementioned incident where a Minotaur commander taunted an Ultramarines successor by saying Marneus Calgar a shit.
The Red Hunters are also a Chapter serving the Inquisition.
>>43592220
> Using lance batteries for ground bombardment
>>43592004
If you run into melee when your allies are still shooting high ordinance things at enemies, you're probably the one who is fucking up.
>>43592254
>Not using Lance Batteries on ground targets
>Not using the superhugest guns you're able to bear on a target
>>43592220
Static defenses and static void shields laugh at orbital bombardment, especially Imperial-made defenses.
>>43592220
Well, there are many reasons. In the specific case of Badab, the Palace of Thorns had a nearly impenetrable shield that required bypassing. In the case of Hive Fleet Leviathan, it's really hard to know whether you've actually gotten rid of the Lictors and/or Genestealers unless you actually get boots on the ground.
It's not like the Star Phantoms don't do orbital strikes. That's more or less their specialty, particularly as they were a fleet-based Chapter until relatively recently. On the ground, their entire thing is orbital insertion of overwhelming firepower.
>>43592284
Okay then, let's just drop a fucking moon on the planet. Still better than sending some armored yahoos down through those apparently impenetrable static defenses.
How do these guys get traitor geneseed? Thought that shit was under a timelock vault by the Emperor himself. How did anyone get past that shit and why?
>>43592410
>How did anyone get past that shit and why?
With science and for science!
>>43592326
Yeah, unless you want to be able to use the planet for anything afterward.
>>43592430
>getting past custodes and other shit
>getting access to something that guarded
>>43592320
That's not the point. Adeptus Astartes are supposed to be shock troops, not man-portable artillery. If a planet's industrial capacity is crippled during the retaking of the planet, then it's value to the greater Imperium is severely dropped. It only makes sense to use indescriminate destruction when facing enemies that don't care about logistical limits, like Orks and Tyranids, or when you are in risk of losing the planet. Even in the case of the Palace of Thorns, you don't need Astartes to bomb the hell out of an area. It's not a complicated process.
>>43592489
>Implying Star Phantom tactics don't cripple industrial production on the planet.
>>43592489
There are post-apocalyptic worlds in the Imperium that are inhabitable. Or at least inhabited.
>>43591999
Stephen Harper, from one of the debates this last time around.
>>43592410
>>43592430
There were lots of loyalists in the traitor legions left over scattered all over the place, so chances are that each of them has at least one chapter
>>43592495
Considering the Star Phantoms have mainly fought Tyranids and Orks, I fail to see your point. And if Space Marines are only meant to be shock troops, why do Imperial Fists, Vindicators, Centurions and Devastators even exist? Wouldn't they all just be Raven Guard? And that's not even getting into the fact that a Chapter specializing in drop pods seem to be fit the special forces mold really well.
>>43591055
>>Don't adhere to stupid "only these many dudes can actually fight at any given time" rules of the Codex Astartes, preferring to just hammer the enemy with overwhelming force
This isn't an actual rule, it's just that most fights don't actually require all 1,000 boots on the ground. The Minotaurs go full overkill all the time. Even if it was to fight a single ork they'd send 1,000+ marines.
While it is cool, don't act like every other chapter is stupid for only sending a company or a few squads. Especially the poorer hobo scavenger chapters who can't afford to mobilize the entire chapter.
>>43592600
If Star Phantoms mainly fight against those enemies, well and good. Other Chapters manage to use large amounts of high explosives without garnering a reputation for blowing up their own team.
>>43592609
The stupidity is in having reserve companies that just hang around doing nothing when you only have 1000 men.
>>43591701
>>43592233
It doesn't mater what that guy says, even if he's the owner of the Minotaurs chapter.
The fucking Minotaurs OFFICIAL FORGE WORLD BOOK says their geneseed is "chimeric".
Either the fluff is straight up lying, which is possible since Imperial documents aren't always accurate, or the FW writers DID NOT HINT HINT WINK WINK THEIR IMPLICATIONS WELL ENOUGH.
It doesn't matter what Minotaurs "really" are. People saying they are "chimeric" are FUCKING QUOTING THE MOST BASIC SOURCE DOCUMENTS AVAILABLE. We don't even have a fucking link to the conversation that old FB convo is from anyway. Meanwhile, all of us have access to the publication that says they are chimeric. Hint, it's Badab War part 2.
>>43592507
That was the Carcharodons. They blew up half the planet.
And yet /tg/s collective gobs are too choked with shark semen to raise any protest.
>>43592609
most chapters just have a sphere of influence to take care of which requires them to be at many places at once
Chapter Master should have talked the faggots here that at least
>>43592326
Static defenses that only point upwards. You can get a hell of a lot of power out of a shield when you only need it to point in one direction.
>>43592672
>The fucking Minotaurs OFFICIAL FORGE WORLD BOOK says their geneseed is "chimeric".
>Either the fluff is straight up lying,
Of course it fucking is you idiot
Every chapter descended from traitor marines is filed under different forefathers or simply with the source of their geneseed noted as "unknown"
>>43592676
It was awesome too. That's why. And it completely jives with their MO: Getting shit done with minimum of muckin' about.
>>43592672
Weren't the Iron Warriors also described as Chimeric? Or was it Mercurial?
>>43592669
They are for training and replacing losses. If you don't have the money to rapidly replace losses using shady and often dangerous techniques like the Minotaurs, you have no choice but to slowly grow more grizzled fighters.
If they have no reserve companies any significant losses, like Macragge, would lead you to a perpetually understaffed chapter, like the Salamanders or Crimson Fists. Ironically, these chapters actually DID have reserve companies in the past and would be at full strength if they used the Minotaurs' replacement method.
I'm sure if every chapter gave zero fucks and had infinite money they could all fight like an Ork Waaagh like the Minotaurs do too.
>>43592669
Um, the Reserve companies fight too, what, did you think Scouts just spent 50 years whacking off in the chapter fortress? The Reserve Companies are generally either deployed set piece in large battles or broken down to supplement the Battle companies, by tacking on say: Two additional tactical squads, a squad of bikers, and two squads of scouts for recon work.
>>43592716
The Iron Warriors had...Iron Warrior geneseed. No 1st Founding Legion had Chimeric geneseed because they were all *literally* the first and purest batch made.
>>43591315
>>43592681
Are you saying that it's easier to use drop pods against these "static defenses" than orbital weaponry? That these defenses can resist macrocannon shells easier than brightly colored micrometeorites?
>>43592155
>Threw a sun at the defense platforms
Shouldn't that have, you know... vaporized the planet they were invading?
>>43592672
He's an author in the book, so I'll take his word on it.
>>43591261
Either doesn't know World eaters or is trolling.
>>43592654
Like who? Because last time I checked, a metric fuckton of Chapters had a reputation for collateral damage. Several of which do it on purpose (Iron Hands, Minotaurs, Executioners, Grey Knights, and so on). Hell, the Salamanders are considered exceptional precisely because they insist on avoiding collateral damage. Space Marines are dicks. Period.
>>43592753
Who the fuck said anything about drop pods? You're going in the front door. Once you destroy the void shield generator, then you drop pod in all you like. Source: Blood and Fire.
>>43592753
Actually, yes, he is.
Your ignorance of military strategy is showing.
>>43592785
>Space Marines are dicks. Period.
The imperial guard is exactly the same
The Imperium is Dick: The Realm
>>43592716
>Getting shit done with minimum of muckin' about.
... Which is exactly what the Star Phantoms do, too. They just use a fuckbunch of heavy weapons, drop pods, and macroweapons to do it.
Fuck, /tg/, you're always bitching about muh realism in these threads, despite how fucking over the top 40k is, but you can excuse a bunch of insane berzerker spacemen with chainsaw axes but not a bunch of insane trigger happy spacemen with automatic weaponry?
>>43592824
You're confusing me with another Anon. If the Star Phantoms have a hard on for orbital fire, bring it the fuck on. Overkill is the best kind of kill.
Just don't hit my Carcharodons or we'll have issues.
>>43592785
Other than the Salamanders and Space Wolves are there any other bro tier chapters?
>>43591055
>tfw steadily losing interest in 40k as time goes on
I'm not sure if it's just me getting older or if it's actually getting worse
>>43592775
Except you don't even know if he really said that. You can fake that screenshot easily.
>>43592809
If you're able to insert troops onto the planet, then orbital defenses have already been bypassed. Just take the Guard route and through more men at it. I was arguing why a Marine Chapter specializing in blowing the hell out of everything was dumb, but apparently all Chapters do that. See >>43592785
>>43592702
Except Minotaurs isn't "unknown" or given a fake primarch. It's called chimeric. Why not just call it unknown?
>missing the point this hard
>>43592811
Enlighten me then, oh wise one.
>>43592773
It was a space station. And it was a fragment of a sun. But the electromagnetic shitstorm pretty much fucked everything electric within a gazillion miles temporarily.
>>43592858
Lamenters?
>>43592886
>Except Minotaurs isn't "unknown" or given a fake primarch. It's called chimeric. Why not just call it unknown?
>>43591915
>The source that describes their gene-seed as "chimeric" literally says that it may be because it came from prohibited sources, which a Traitor Legion most certainly would fall under.
> from prohibited sources
This thread is not very long
don't be a lazy cunt in reading you walking tumor
>>43591699
>the Iron Hands actively use fleshies as meat shields
They don't anymore.
>What dedicated siege Chapter actually gives a fuck about collateral damage?
Imperial Fists. Also the Minotaurs aren't a siege chapter.
>there actually exists a Chapter to deal with Space Marines going renegade
Space Wolves, Carcharodons.
>>43592934
>>there actually exists a Chapter to deal with Space Marines going renegade
>Carcharodons.
Since when?
>>43591261
>Blood Angels are loyalist World Eaters
>>43592893
With enough sustained fire in a focused area, large-scale void shields can be temporarily disrupted, allowing infantry to get within the shields and sabotage the generators from the inside, whereas orbital bombardments can only take down void shields with long and wasteful barrages over a long period of time.
In this way, drop podding outside the shield's realm of protection is often the best way to destroy large-scale void shields during planetary invasions.
Additionally, some void shields must be lowered in order for defenders to return fire, again allowing infantry to infiltrate during the shield's downtime.
Finally, many void shields are actually particularly tuned towards high-velocity mass drivers or energy weapons, slower-moving objects such as drop-pods or other landing craft can actually pass through the shields unharmed.
Tl;dr it varies from shield to shield, but boots on the ground is usually the best way to take down void shields.
>>43592858
The Space Wolves are far from bro tier. The fuckers nearly lost Sanctus Reach because some chucklefuck decided to land in the middle of an Ork Waaagh! with no line of retreat, and Logan Grimnar expected the Cadians to leave their fortified positions to fight hundreds of times their number in Orks in hand-to-hand combat to extract them. When they refused to carry out his idiotic suicide mission just to rescue a dude too retarded to live, he called them cowards, refused to let them fight in future battles, and threatened to kill their commander. And the Cadians still saved the Space Wolves in the end.
Space Wolves are only bro tier if you're also a Space Wolf, or if you're picking a fight with the Inquisition at the moment.
>>43592928
You're the lazy cunt, faggot, I actually read the fucking book. It doesn't say just prohibited source it also says tampering and multiple other possibilities. Have you even fucking read a single codex?
>>43592233
Post FB link.
>>43592987
Alright then, I'll concede the point. I was confused on why landing craft would be a better choice than orbital bombardment in retaking an area, but you're showing cases where both are needed and useful.
>>43592988
>they're dicks because they expect soldiers to do their duty
sauce on that Sanctus Reach battle?
Also I don't know how you can say a chapter that literally went to open war with the Inquisition to save millions of soldiers and civilians isn't bro tier. Also it's been stated before that Logan Grimnar is the most beloved space marine by the average imperial citizen
>>43592847
We already do have issues. The Carcharodons blew up half of Badab Primaris and killed a bunch of Star Phantoms.
That's right: the Carcharodons caused enough collateral damage to piss off a chapter known and reviled for causing collateral damage.
Enjoy your sharkwank.
>>43593049
>Logan Grimnar
I think you mean Sangy. He has his own feast day.
>>43592991
>It doesn't say just prohibited source it also says tampering and multiple other possibilities
Which is clearly meant as >>43592233
But who cares what the authors say, right?
>>43593036
Oh good, you're sensible!
I was afraid that you'd drag this out.
Thank you for being a good person, anon.
Yeah, I play SPs, so I'm a little bit familiar with why they work that way.
Plus, many different series have the whole "Fast things stop, slow things go" schtick with their shields.
>>43591631
I'll grant you the authors are pretty unoriginal with the characters name. However, that doesn't diminish their exploit and badassness. Showing the middle finger to the ecclesiastie and the inquisition is badasssucking on the highlords cock isn't
>>43593067
>sharkwank
I do. So very much.
Red Wake motherfucker!
>>43593076
He meant space marine. Sangy was a Primarch, of course he is more beloved.
>>43593067
>tfw played Carcharodons before they were popular
>mfw they're a /tg/ meme chapter now and everyone with grey marines tries to say they have a Carcharodons army
>they don't even bother to paint the shoulders black or mouths white
I'm sure some RT Space Shark player feels the same way about me.
>>43591202
>Anonymous
No. Minotaurs are loyalist Iron Warriorrs. Similar morale rules, very good gene seed (no flaws), inspiration in Greek myths/culture...
Loyalist World Eaters are definetly Carcharodons.
>>43593049
Sanctus Reach: Hour of the Wolf. And they didn't expect the Cadians to do their duty. They were doing their duty, and in fact were in the middle of what was essentially a glorious last stand against an overwhelming enemy. The Space Wolves expected a besieged force that was outnumbered at least a hundred to one (possibly way more considering the Red Waaaagh! was said to number in the billions) to leave their fortifications and FIGHT FUCKING ORKS IN HAND-TO-HAND COMBAT to rescue a Space Wolf who pulled a stunt so retarded even Grimnar admitted it, just so he could win more personal glory.
Then they accidentally a Khornate daemon invasion, because as it turns out, going all nuts for blood tends to do that.
Fuck the Space Wolves.
>>43593117
>Red Wake motherfucker!
RIGGEDY RIGGEDY WRECKED SON
>>43593192
Or maybe Sanctus Reach: Stormclaw. To be honest, the books kind of flow in and out of each other. I know for a fact it's not the Red Waaagh! at least.
>>43593183
Carcharodons are Raven Guard
>>43593183
>Loyalist World Eaters are definetly Carcharodons
You're incredibly retarded. It was confirmed in Imperial Armor that they are Raven Guard decedents.
>>43593216
>>43593222
I'm pretty sure people just use "loyalist World Eaters" as a descriptor for bloodthirsty savages with a penchant for melee combat, rather than literally saying they're World Eater successors.
>>43592672
>It doesn't mater what that guy says, even if he's the owner of the Minotaurs chapter.
toppest kek
>>43593183
>Loyalist World Eaters are definetly Carcharodons.
Raven guard and some night lords at best
>>43593091
God, now I want to see the Minotaurs and the Space Wolves fight to the death.Whoever loses, I win.
>>43593174
>tfw played Space Sharks since before 5E
>mfw these Carcharodon newfags don't even have red helmet stripes or yellow bramble camo
>>43593174
>tfw people don't mix and match different marks of power armour on the same model
>tfw no scrimshaw totems
>tfw they don't paint the skin grey and eyes black
>tfw not having their models be covered in holy texts and purity seals
It's like they don't even Space Shark.
>>43593334
That weapon seems to have no trigger
>>43593272
>bloodthirsty
Agreed
>Savages
Nope. They're tactical as fuck but are rip and tear to the core. They don't hang out beheading people or having blood fights.
>Penchant for melee combat
Agreed.
If you say they're 'Successors of X' that means something very different than 'they act like Successors of X would'
>>43593337
Post pics
>>43593351
That's what the Alpha Legion wants you to think.
>>43593222
It is not confirmed retard. Only thing IA states is GENE-SEED (PREDECESSOR) ....UNKNOWN (Some recorded gene-seed indicators point to the Raven Guard)
>>43593183
Don't use rules as an argument otherwise you look like the dipshits who say Carcharodons are Night Lords because they have Fear. In their original rules, Carcharodons only had Furious Charge and Minotaurs only had PE: Space Marines.
>>43593143
I agree- Primarchs are in their own tier in my book. I'd put Grimnar on the same tier as Dante and Calgar, though.
>>43593117
>>43593174
So, since weare talking about Space Marine chapter rivalries, maybe you guys could help me out. The Deathwatch: Honor the Chapter book mentions the Storm Wardens have a rivalry with the Blood Angels. I've been looking all over to find another example of this rivalry in the lore- other than the example of the dispute about fighting the dark eldar. Do you guys have any other examples that you know of?
>>43593020
This is one autistically dedicated W40k fan.
>>43593376
They're the decendents of the Raven Guard Legion 7th Company. The reason their geneseed is so much purer than the Raven Guard's is because they split off from them before Corax tampered with there genes.
They're Raven Guard. It was either IA or BL that finally confirmed, but its confirmed unfortunately.
>>43593396
I wasn't aware either chapter had a rivalry at all.
>>43593396
Grimnar, Dante and Calgar are the big 3. That Dark Angles fag ain't got shit on them.
>>43593432
Yeah, thats kind of my point. Is this something they just made up so that Blood Angel/ Storm Warden characters would have more RP opportunities in the game? This one book seems to be the only example I can find of a supposed rivalry between the two chapters.
>>43593349
>tfw all their termies are TH/SS
>tfw they don't have a single chainsword or combat blade modeled on their army
>tfw they're not based with ship interior bases
>tfw they don't have a single speck of blood splatter on them
I'm on to you, Relictors.
>>43593435
Well, they may not have a member of the trinity in their chapter, but there is one thing that Dark Angels do have in their army. Tanks. Lots and lots of tanks...That they can get for free... For Sanguinius and the Emperor, brother.
>>43593500
Sounds like it. Hard to imagine either chapter having a rival. The Blood Angels are too based to piss anyone off that badly and the Storm Wardens are basically isolationist.
>>43593396
Aren't the Storm Wardens a Deathwatch original Chapter, much like Blood Ravens before they got introduced into the game proper?
>>43593543
Ok, glad to know I'm not the only one who looked at that page kinda funny. Thanks so much.
>>43593319
>some night lords
Quick spreading this bullshit. How about zero fucking night lords, because they went straight from terra to kidnapping little boys at the edge of the galaxy and stuffing pure OG Raven Guard geneseed into them.
>>43593563
>>43593543
I'm really not sure, that's why I figured I'd ask you guys- surely there is someone who knew the lore better than me. Thanks for the info, guys.
>>43593349
I do all that except the bone scrimshaw due to lack of bits available and not wanting to glue extra shit to my already painted marines. I'm sure there's probably some you can take from SW or WHFB but whatever.
I also don't do the purity seal stuff but I have a few that came with the original marine.
But I do have those out of print official FW decals! That makes me extra legit right?
>>43592934
>Also the Minotaurs aren't a siege chapter.
Badab War seems to disagree with you there, bub.
>>43593577
>some night lords
>at best
quote the whole fucking sentence when you criticize me you rancid cunt, all I did was not rule it out, which you really can't in regards to 40k
>>43593604
Storm Wardens are the FFG original Chapter.
>>43593622
That doesn't make them a siege chapter, it just means that the fact that they throw 1k marines at every threat helps with sieges as well
Are there other loyalist chapters who descend from Traitors Legions?
I know the Blood Ravens are Thousand Sons.
>>43593664
I wouldn't be suprised if some custodes were actually loyalist traitors.
>>43593664
Red Scorpions are EC
Minotaurs are IW
I thought there was a DG chapter too. Can't remember their name though.
>>43593664
inb4 they make Blood Ravens some kind of terrible Blood Angels descendant
>>43593664
Dark Angels are descended from Dark Angels
>>43593643
Yes, you can rule it out. On what basis would you even have to put loyal NLs into a legion that left before the Heresy and returned far later? Stop supporting the bullshit theory at all, and stop insulting people needlessly when you're the only moron in here. Daily reminder that moot was right about EU and AU posters.
>hur dur don't forget to mention every random unrelated conspiracy theory whenever you discuss anything at all because you can never rule out the Illuminati
>>43593687
Sons of Antaeus
fukkhueg indestructible steelbone marines
>>43593657
>Specifically says their tactics are suitable for sieges
>THEY'RE NOT A SIEGE CHAPTER THO
>>43593643
>get NL theory completely disproved by HH3 because Will Hayes got sick of that bullshit
>still tries to cling on to it
"carcharodons=NL"fags are the worst. Just as bad as SoBfags and that homo curze shitposter. Can't go a single chapter thread without these faglords
>>43593798
>On what basis would you even have to put loyal NLs into a legion that left before the Heresy and returned far later?
Because adding them later wouldn't have been a problem, especially since more hardcore Raven Guard and softy Night Lords are pretty similar
>and stop insulting people needlessly when you're the only moron in here
>needlessly
Did I hurt your feelings, bitchboy?
>Daily reminder
tumblrism
>don't forget to mention every random unrelated conspiracy theory whenever you discuss anything at all
You realise that that is pretty much what 70% of the 40k threads here are there for, right?
>>43593822
>siege chapter = specialized in sieges
>tactics suitable for sieges = tactics also efficient at sieges
The difference between sieges being an integral part of your doctrine and sending out all of your forces every time, which obviously helps with sieges as well, should be clear.
It's like saying
>they are a chapter specialised at killing small groups of enemies, because it's very effective to send out 1000 marines vs 10 orks
>>43593850
wew lad
>>43593570
>>43593543
To be fair, we had the Crimson Sabers getting shat on by the Dark Angels.
>>43593687
Prove that Red Scorpions are Emperor's Children beyond, "Muh purity!" By comparison,
Death Eagles: name of loyalist Emperor's Children 34th millennial that disappeared during the Heresy.
>>43593850
I remember being fourteen.
God it were awful. Be grateful you don't have the threat of nuclear annihilation from commies and yanks. We had an excuse for being grumpy and shit. Not like you kids these days.
>>43591114
You have no idea what that phrase means do you?
>>43593850
So loyal NLs just sit around for 1,000 years until the Carcharodons go "yo why the fuck hasn't Corax called us back yet" and return to the system during the vengeance of the void and pentarchy of blood campaigns? Yeah that seems likely. Let's not "rule that out", you fucking idiot.
>>43593850
It's not about hurt feelings, it's about dumbass faggots mouthing off when they're straight up wrong.
>>43593822
World Eaters once ended a siege by breaching a wall and throwing everything at the breach.
WORLD EATERS CONFIRMED FOR SIEGE CHAPTER!
>>43593850
Of course the NLfags are the cringiest sperglords. "Bitchboy?" Lol wtf is that shit, nigger? What more could you expect? Even without the bat ears their fluff reeks of edgelord.
>>43591055
You forgot
>barely fight the Emperor's enemies, only go after people who pissed off the High Lords
>>43591055
Oh you mean the Coward chapter who pretends to be hot shit but as soon as a First founding chapter barks at them they cry like cowards.
You that "Almost declared war" thing caused the Minotaurs to back down REAL fast because they know the Ultramarines would wipe the shit out of their little schoolyard bully asses.
>>43594184
Mongolians besieged every major city in Asia and Europe.
WHITE SCARS CONFIRMED SIEGE SPECIALIST!
>>43593183
let me be 100% crystal clear
BRONZE/RED MINOTAURS: IRON WARRIORS
YELLOW/RED MINOTAURS: WORLD EATERS
classic candy-cane minotaurs are literally the war hounds with an awful paintscheme. Forgeworld's minotaurs are (even in-universe) an entirely new chapter using the same name.
>>43592101
>Are the minotaurs basically just an anti space marine chapter?
Interestingly, in (much) older fluff this role was filled by the Sisters of Battle
>>43593691
Boreal is far too ugly to be a Blood Angel descendant.
>>43593938
>>43594042
>>43594105
>>43594133
>>43594189
>mad faggots
40keks
>>43593334
The Space Wolves would win.
Minotaurs are basically designed to bully small chapters, could you imagine their faces when they need to fight a Marine vs Marine war and be outnumbered?
>>43594257
>Awful paint scheme old Minotaurs
You shut your whore mouth.
>>43594309
Kek, imagine them getting wrecked by crusades of Black Templars.Probably the least likely chapter for them to fight.
>>43594239
Actually, the Orks put a stop to it. The Minotaurs actually wanted to fight the Genesis Chapter. They're kind of fucked up that way.
>>43594300
>sperglord gets called out on his autism
>claims everyone else is just mad
Nice argument faglord you sure convinced me with those hot opinions
>>43594347
>Minotaurs attack the Lamenters wrongly
>Blood Angels get pissed and call all their Successors
>Minotaurs are resigned to the Scrolls of the Lost
Get fucked, High Lord cocksleeves.
>>43594300
>posting a reaction image and saying the exact same thing the image says
Why tho?
>>43592410
I believe Mars has samples of the geneseed of all of the Legions and known Chapters. They normally keep the traitor geneseed samples locked up, but it's rumoured they got used in the Cursed or Dark Foundings.
>>43594376
The Lamenters didn't respond to the Blood Angels call so I doubt they would stick their neck out.
>>43592101
There are a few chapters that are pretty close to the Ecclesiarchy, but I don't remember any names off the top of my head.
>>43594376
>Minotaurs attack Guardians of the Covenant
>10,000 strong Unforgiven fleet waiting around the corner in the next star system the Minotaurs are in.
>>43594376
>implying BA would feud for a successor
>implying Minotaurs wouldn't simply be rebuilt by High Lords from scratch
>implying Lamenters would ever have anything good happen to them
The only thing your post would result in would be "lol Lamenters got shit on again".
>>43594412
Black Templars if I am not wrong.
>>43594410
They either didn't respond to the call yet, or there's nobody left to answer the call.
>>43594410
I know, but I like the imagery. The only other chapter I can think of that might would be the Space Wolves or Black Templars.
Imagine all Twelve Great Companies of the Space Wolves going after the Minotaurs or the Black Templars declaring a Crusade against them.
>>43592101
>>43594412
Oh, also, the Marines Errant have close ties with a Rogue Trader house. Not quite the same as the other examples, though.
>>43594341
Just because it's old, doesn't mean it's good.
It's the Howling Griffons scheme but shit.
>>43594412
Fire Angels are one.
>>43591315
the only good thing that space wolves brought to 40k was their color schemeIt looks bitchin on tau
>>43594412
>>43594442
This
Generally, don't marines who actually worship the Emperor as a God have closer ties to the Ecclesiarchy?
Do sisters of Battle ever crusade with Templars?
>>43594369
>autism
I claimed the possibility exists, the fact that the theory is popular alone ensures that the writers will at least consider it
That's all, I mentioned a possibility and you all lost your shit like autistic manchildren
>sperglord
sure, lad
>>43594386
double the effect
>>43594674
>Do sisters of Battle ever crusade with Templars?
I don't know if it stated anywhere but their is no reason they wouldn't and many reasons they would.
>>43592672
Holy fuck you are stupid.
So the dude is contradicted by his own fluff that he wrote?
Christ how do you breath on your own?
>>43594764
When he says contradictory things, then yes, he is contradicted. That's how contradictions work, moron. You can't even prove that Facebook quote is real or even him. What you CAN prove is what he wrote.
Not him but
>>43594865
>When he says contradictory things
He did not
The fluff says that the source is basically unknown, it's mentioned as chimeric in the archives, but that doesn't mean shit
>blood ravens can't be 1k Sons successors because the fluff doesn't directly state it
Negro
>>43593077
The Authors' word is worthless unless they speak with the authority of the company.
>>43594865
>>43594931
Sounds to me anon you just want to continue your fantasy and cover your ears when somebody proves you wrong.
Child.
>>43594931
>unless they speak with the authority of the company
Fun fact: no one, not even the content editors speak with the authority of the company.
corporate does not give a single fuck about that stuff, it's just nerds trying to lord over other nerds
>>43594969
You're thinking of GW proper, not FW. It's like you don't even know anything about FW. And you STILL don't know if he even said that at all. I could fake your FB easily and post it on /tg/ claiming you guzzle a dozen cocks daily. Doesn't mean it's true. And the most important distinction to make is that you're just as manchildish as everyone else, except your argument lacks both logic and credibility.
>>43594969
Alan Bligh does, when he speaks at FW seminars about HH.
>>43595061
You could, except that would be slander.
>>43594661
Space vikings, I know they are getting away from it has of late but runic talismans on boltguns and wolf pelts wrap over power armour is a look pretty unique to them. I wish they'd stop with the Wolfy McWolfen bullshit names
>>43594882
>it's mentioned as chimeric in the archives, but that doesn't mean shit
Actually
>it's mentioned as chimeric
Means "it is chimeric, and known to be from different sources"
It's very clear in the IA
>>43594674
>Do sisters of Battle ever crusade with Templars?
A couple of times when the Templars fought alongside the Inquisition.
>>43595061
>I could fake your FB easily and post it on /tg/
Instead of saying how it could be wrong, why don't you just look it up?
>>43591893
Ebin "ebin meme" meme dude ;-)
>>43591055
Their rules aren't good at all.
>>43594674
There are chapters that see Emps as a father figure/exemplar of everything human.
There are chapters that see Emps as a god/divine being.
Are there chapters that see Emps as both?
>>43595209
They aren't? But they look good. They can't take morale checks from shooting and have crusader. Plus 1" to charge in the enemy's deployment zone. Seems good enough.
Plus taking the big guy gives you preferred enemy space marines.
Seems really powerful actually.
>>43595291
Hmmm. Dunno.
Compared to such Chapter Tactics like those of Iron Hands or White Scars, these aren't so good.
On the other hand taking the bash-bros duo Moloc and Enkomi may greatly change the way the Minotaurs function.
Take also Venerable Hecaton and your force packs some serious power (also take a Roc Pattern Storm Eagle Gunship).
On the other hand Preferred Enemy Space Marines is only effective against Space Marines. Other non-Marine factions have thus an advantage against them.
>>43595392
I checked out Hekaton. It turns out that despite his badass fluff, he sucks donkey balls on TT. Which is a pity because good lord his model is amazing.
>>43595423
Can't argue about the looks.
Also that shield-pauldron where his plasma cannon is is sexy.
>>43595291
Minotaurs are basically just a tax to take Moloc and get a buff against other MEQ armies.
With grav, White Scars bikes, and Battle Company universal benefits nowadays, it's not needed. Back when every army had just Combat Tactics (replaced by their HQ for a single USR) or just 6E Chapter Tactics and FOC, Minotaurs were amazing. These days it's basically "give up all your benefits for PE".
>>43592858
>Ultramarines
>Blood Angels (when not raging)
>Imperial Fists (I'm pretty sure)
>Marines Errant
>>43592858
>>43592904
>>43592988
>>43595566
>>43593396
I don't know of any other sources about it, but it could have something to do with the Storm Wardens having strong ties with the Adeptus Mechanicus, whereas the Blood Angels being on poor terms with the Mechanicus.
>>43595642
Every time I see this I can only think "Man, Lamenters suck so bad they even fail at failing." They were supposed to sacrifice their entire chapter but failed. See Astral Knights for actual entire chapter sacrifice to save people.
>>43595718
Personally I think the Lamenters are kind of retarded, as they let their emotions cloud their judgement and threw away their entire chapter several times for regular people and nearly wiped themselves out.
YOU ARE MARINES! YOU ARE NOT EXPENDABLE! CUT IT THE FUCK OUT AND DO YOUR DAMN JOB PROPERLY!
>>43595748
And it's not like they're sacrificing themselves in circumstances that require it. At least have the decency to go nuclear when it would save the entire galaxy from blowing up, or something.
>>43595800
Exactly. Dubs speak the truth.
>>43595748
>>43595800
I'm going to paint an army of Lamenters and make them my homebrew, "the Grenade Jumpers". Every time someone shoots a stray bullet or throws a grenade, all of them cry out and try to jump on top of it. The only thing they'll do all day long is run towards the location of the last fired blast template and Look Out Sir! each other. Even for non-characters.
>>43595853
Oh god make them ally with blob guard.
Sweet Jesus, the pointless sacrifice. The guardsmen would be fine though.
>>43595642
Love me some Marines Errant. Shame their paint scheme is pretty unappealing (to me, anyway).
If I ever went vanilla Marine, I'd probably make it a Marines Errant army, but fluff it up as them getting a refounding after the loss of their geneseed reserves, and have it as an excuse to change the color scheme a bit. Keep the blue and white, but probably make it primary blue with white shins and pauldrons.
>>43595921
Pity they are dying out.
Bloody Iron Warriors looted their geneseed.
>>43595921
You don't like Marines Errant color scheme? Okay, just play Novamarines then.
>GW
>>43595953
Dear GW,
This is the OPPOSITE direction I want to go!
Sincerely Yours,
Anon
>>43595642
Aren't Dark Angels pretty OK with you if you weren't involved in any way with a Fallen?
>>43596066
Yeah, but the fact that they'll wipe out entire Guard regiments because they may have witnessed the Fallen (without even knowing what they are, even) doesn't exactly make them bros.
>>43596066
At best, they think you're less useful than a bolt shell and disdain your presence.
>>43595921
>and have it as an excuse to change the color scheme a bit
you do know that marine chapters aren't really bound to one color scheme, right?
Personally though, they're space marines in the literal sense. Being vibrant and heraldic isn't a problem when you're primarily going to be concerned with boarding actions and void combat.
>>43596066
If you're human, yes. They refuse to help out those who they deem unworthy, like abhumans.
>>43596330
>you do know that marine chapters aren't really bound to one color scheme, right?
I wasn't, actually, aside from certain things like the Deathwing/Ravenwing and the Death Company.
Besides, the refounding helps explain why they're still around despite being essentially doomed to extinction. I just want to use them because they're one of my favorite chapters when it comes to lore.
>Personally though, they're space marines in the literal sense. Being vibrant and heraldic isn't a problem when you're primarily going to be concerned with boarding actions and void combat.
I'm fine with that, my issue isn't that I think the color scheme is "unrealistic" or something, I just can't stand halved or quartered designs.
>>43596330
While your point is valid, supplying a picture of an outdated, no-longer-canon RT image hurts your argument.
Use the updated version. Badab War showed various chapters using night and ash camouflage. Unless you're one of those faggots who thinks RT is canon, implying Salamanders still look like IRL fire salamanders and the Ultramarines have a half-Eldar astropath and there's an overweight cowboy Inquisitor named Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau.
>>43596066
Depends. If you're considered pure, don't ask questions and don't see anything you shouldn't see, sure. But they're still considered kind of annoying to work with, like on Vraks, where they didn't say what they were going to do, why they were doing it, and refused to coordinate their attacks beyond the absolute basics.
>>43596439
>no-longer-canon RT image
I wasn't aware one of the many thousands of codex-approved variant camouflage patterns had an expiry date.
My point is use whatever the fuck you want. Any even tangentially codex-compliant chapter will make use of camo when required.
>>43596645
>Unless you're one of those faggots who thinks RT is canon, implying Salamanders still look like IRL fire salamanders and the Ultramarines have a half-Eldar astropath and there's an overweight cowboy Inquisitor named Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau.
Called it.
>>43596645
>expiry date
It's called retcons. RT ain't canon deal with it faggot. Your point was already addressed and even agreed with.
>>43596939
>It's called retcons
Oh right then, so IA9/10 retconned the space marine use of camouflage?
>>43596993
>Use the updated version. Badab War showed various chapters using night and ash camouflage
>>43597042
>new camouflage patterns invalidate all of the ones that came previously, despite the codex explicitly containing hundreds if not thousands of variations for every possible environment
>>43597446
>thinks RT is canon
You think an image from a time when Mk 7 didn't exist and every marine was a regular non-superhuman that was depicted in Mk 6 in every single image is better than the actual current source material that updates, re-envisions, and supercedes it?
>>43592669
Everyone needs a break sometimes to maintain peak efficiency, + you need to be able to react to the unknown anon, you don't want to have sent off the entire chapter only to have your fortress assaulted or a ork Waaagh pop up the system over
What if minotaurs are just thousand sons with the psyker powers bred/conditioned out?
>>43591957
>The Black Templars only have like 1200
Ah, BTfags back to number inflation already I see. It's slightly over 1000, not a whole 20% over.
