"Despite representing only 10% of the Ceres population, uplifts are responsible for 65% of crime there" edition
OFFICIAL BOOKS
>Eclipse Phase PDFs
http://robboyle.wordpress.com/eclipse-phase-pdfs
>Zone STALKERs
http://gaxtrope.net/eprepo/ZoneStalkers/Zone_Stalkers%20%2809052014%29.pdf
>Morph Recognition Guide
http://www.mediafire.com/download/j4bjbba89kw8v0y/Eclipse_Phase_Morph_Recognition_Guide_%286098716%29.pdf
>Million Year Echo
https://www.mediafire.com/?45aax64umrlghf2
>Firewall:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/b2umu9s9higm2db/Eclipse_Phase_Firewall_%287029562%29.pdf
PLAY AIDS:
>Advice for new players and GMs
http://pastebin.com/e0EErN6X
>Online character creator
http://eclipsephase.oook.ch/Creator/version4/index.php
>Eclipse Phase hacking cheet sheet
http://www.mediafire.com/view/?axe1vs35muk4juh
>Eclipse Phase xls Character sheet
https://sites.google.com/site/eclipsephases/home/cabinet
HOMEBREW AND COMMUNITY CONTENT:
>3 new adventures for your use in convenient PDF form
http://awdaberton.wordpress.com/about/
>Various Eclipse Phase fanmade resources, and links to more
http://www.aleph.se/EclipsePhase/
>An Eclipse Phase yearblog full of items, locations, NPCs, and plot hooks
http://www.farcastblog.com
>Community homebrew document
https://docs.google.com/document/d/19Gy02gp6-WPQ3SoN_24kLPTUu5EjFO8qh_9pjJSVrrY/edit
A question to start the thread, how have you dealt with the omnipresent surveillance that plagues most habitats? Has it been a useful tool for you, or just a no-fun-allowed constraint?
>>43588991
>http://gaxtrope.net/eprepo/ZoneStalkers/Zone_Stalkers%20%2809052014%29.pdf
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>>43588991
>>Million Year Echo
>https://www.mediafire.com/?45aax64umrlghf2
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>>43588991
>>Firewall:
>http://www.mediafire.com/download/b2umu9s9higm2db/Eclipse_Phase_Firewall_%287029562%29.pdf
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Playing Eclipse Phase, first time and campaign, got Hyped to the roof by the sheer "Do whatever the FUCK you want!!!" Of the setting.
I made Jehuty from Zone of the Enders.
>former miner specializing in maintenance and tweaking.
>got stuck into a synth morph due to asshole Corporations.
>robot body grew on him (Yukyuk) and he modded it.
>thrust vector to look like wings, Stats for a wrist-mounted Missile Launcher in Right-Thigh with 4 mini-Missile slots.
>Mono blade on left arm (hidden compartment with flip-out mount) and Cyber hand laser.
>Right arm has a hidden Particle Burst Bolter, finagling with DM means I have to Megaman that sucker, which I'm more than okay with. (Quick Action to Lock Arm and brace to fire)
>Shredder in hidden Chest Cavity.
So, How'd I do?
Oh, and while it would be accurate, I did not put my brain in the LITERAL cockpit of the Morph.
>>43591423
The only synthmorph with a meatbrain is the biocore
>>43591487
Unless you buy a Brain Box
So do new people get born in flats, or do biomorphs breed true?
>>43591724
If biomorphs can breed, they should breed true, or something like that.
>>43591789
Does that mean that there are baby furies crawling around and tossing the other tots in day care?
>>43588991
>how have you dealt with the omnipresent surveillance that plagues most habitats?
I use it to justify my character being a paranoid nervous wreck.
>>43591887
>Does that mean that there are baby furies crawling around and tossing the other tots in day care?
I hope so, means I've got the next season of reality tv style entertainment lined up for a game.
>Toddlers Gone Wild! - a hard-hitting reality documentary series about the dangers of Autonomist child rearing techniques. Sponsored by Cognite.
>>43591887
Critters are pods, which are all typically sterile in the traditional reproduction sense.
>>43592010
So where do babies come from?
>>43592028
From not pods.
Well, I dunno, exowombs might be shaped like a "pod" in the classical english definition. I don't know.
>>43592010
I thought Furies were biomorphs and not pods
>>43592010
Furies, anon. Furies. Not furries.
>>43592028
>Biomorphs are fully biological sleeves (usually equipped with implants), birthed naturally or in an exowomb, and grown to adulthood either naturally or at a slightly accelerated rate.
Biomorphs can be made in the traditional manner, although I imagine quite a few different biomorphs come with restrictions regarding breeding - the uplift morphs, for instance, are generally restricted. The DNA of their morph is intellectual property, so if two people sleeved into neo-whatevers want to breed a new neo-whatever, they're going to have buy a license from the hypercorp that owns the rights.
>>43592079
>>43592063
How do you know the plural is Furies and not Furys? It could be a branding thing.
>>43592122
Even then there is only one r, anon
>>43592115
>DNA is intellectual property
What next? Opinions? Gods?
>>43592240
The CONCEPT of God is free. However, the name of each specific god is trademarked in EP, yes.
>>43592240
>Gods?
Not altogether that far-fetched really.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_trademarks_owned_by_the_Church_of_Scientology_and_its_affiliates
>>43590357
>>43590507
>>43590531
https://robboyle.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/ps21812_millionyearecho.pdf
https://robboyle.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/ps21811_eclipsephase_zonestalkers.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/view/r9qja2gyg0bi222/Eclipse_Phase_Firewall_%287029562%29.pdf
>>43592340
Thankee
>>43592248
>>43592263
THIS IS THE WORST FUTURE
WHY DONT WE GET THE GOOD STUFF
>>43591724
Unless they have agressive GRM, planned obsolence or are simply built with things like combat capabilities, not reproduction in mind, they can breed.
Thing is, nobody wants to spend months on boring, uncomfortable, distracting physiological process when you can breed via exowomb and grow biomorphs in tubes to full adult in a matter of just a few years.
>>43592419
Because you've only just finished the payments required to feel excitement from touching yourself at night.
>>43592422
Okay, but where do the new egos come from
>>43592501
What do we need new egos for? There are millions of egos without bodies, just sleeve some of them. If you really want a kid, I'm sure there are children in there somewhere, or you could just pay an infugee to get psychosurgeried back to infancy
>>43592439
But I never felt pleasure from that. I never felt pleasure from anything, only despair and rage.
And I never made any goddamn payments to anyone, because I don't have any bloody money!
>>43592518
>I don't have any money
>I have emotions
Get a load of this Jovian
>>43592542
You calling them a lizard, bud?
>>43592501
Uh, from whatever place all of them come?
There is literally nothing different between a fetus growing inside a womb and a fetus growing inside exowomb. Well, except exowomb-born fetus will be healthier and will grow faster and will not bother you before being born.
Exowomb is basically a vat where you put fertilized zygote in, and take a biomorph out.
>>43592419
Because you still think this is a serious work. Clearly we're living in a parody.
I find it doesn't really hinder, since it's more sousveliiance and surveillance, and there is just so much information that it's difficult to find what you want in the deluge of it all.
Plus there are many ways to make it much more difficult for people trying to find information, from not sharing your xp in lifelogs, to fake Ego IDs or aliases online.
So Jovians, how do they keep up? Are they bioconservative in a neo-luddite kind of what or are they more against messing with the biological makeup of things and so have more mechanical augmentations like cyberarms and eyes. How else do they keep up with the rest?
>>43593515
Quite simply, you don't have to be augmented to press the 'make warship' button on an industrial fabricator.
>>43593515
They do keep up with the rest of the solar system though. True that the common people can't use the advance technologies everyone else uses but every now and again they pass some tech or another that pretty standard for everyone else to their general population. And also the Jovian spooks can have full access to almost all tech and biomods for the sake of national security. They are a heavy contender in the solar system.
>>43593701
>transhumanismforants.jpg
>>43593731
ha, made me lol desu
What kinds of cosmetic biomods do you like for characters, seen in your games?
>>43593701
Especially a lobbyist group in the Junta called TAHI (Terrestrial Ancestral Heritage Institute). They do the blackest of black ops.
>>43593515
They don't want to keep up. The whole point of the Republic is that CBEAT strictly regulates what technologies are permissible, in order to keep society from becoming a darwinian arms race where everyone constantly has to pursue the latest dehumanizing augmentations to stay competitive (like in the Consortium). It's one of the last places in the Solar System besides Luna and a few Brinker habs that's still designed on a scale baseline humans can understand
>>43594669
By the books most bioware and nanoware are restricted by the Jovians, says nothing of cyberware.
>>43594704
>says nothing of cyberware.
Wrong. It's literally more highly regulated than nuclear weapons.
>>43594888
Jovian characters can have cyberware.
>>43594989
Wrong. See >>43594888
>>43595347
It's not wrong, that's a screenshot from the latest printing of the corebook. Threat scale isn't some list of banned things, it's a categorization of possible threats.
A person who has lost their arm will have it replaced with a cyberlimb. A cyberlimb is inherently more dangerous than a regular arm, so the threat level is higher. This doesn't mean the Jovians are banning cyberlimbs.
>>43594888
>>43595347
Also, cyberware isn't on that list, except Mesh Inserts, Stacks and Ghostrider - which have AI and networking components. And Stacks are an intel risk. All those mods listed are bioware. This is a risk assessment of how dangerous an individual's loadout is to his own team and bystanders - and the Jovians find networking or data-format problems more hazardous than tactical nuclear weapons.
>the player characters are arrested by the Titanian police
What happens to them? How do the Titanians treat prisoners? What is their justice system like?
Why can't Cyberlimb+'s have skinmasks? What if I want my many armed morph?
>>43592542
underrated post
>>43597640
I imagine cyberlimbs+ would be something of the sort. Hard to disguise, and that would be justify the +5 SOM.
>>43599203
Possibly, but there is official art of a human biomorph with an extra arm that's indistinguishable from the other two.
Since regular cyberlimbs are only for replacement, and cumberlimb+ are for extras, I assume a cyberlimb+ should be able to look indistinguishable with a synthetic mask, but they're not allowed to have them.
Seems like a stupid distinction.
>>43599696
Except that's wrong. You can have regular cyberlimbs as extra limbs. With Cyberlimb+, the + means that it's extra strong, not that it's on top of your normal limbs.
>>43599771
>You can have regular cyberlimbs as extra limbs
[citation needed[
In the corebook, cyberlimbs are only referred to be used as replacements, whereas cyberlimb+'s are specifically noted to either be replacements or extra limbs.
>>43599809
I seriously believe it was just written this way incidentally.
In any case, nothing stops you from using regular cyberlimbs as extra limbs, nobody is going to care.
What kinds of vehicles are available within Luna's settlements? You would think flying cars would be a thing with Luna's gravity.
>>43600291
Flying cars are popular on Mars, presumably they'd be around but less prevalent on Luna due to reduced space
Strap-on wings or other forms of personal flight are probably popular
So a city like Nectar is basically an impossibility. Being basically a sphere 900m in diameter is not even a city block. That cannot hold 9 million people.
The numbers is the books are retarded.
>>43594469
>TAHI
RUA
>>43600692
>the population of Nectar was discreetly killed and instantiated in a simspace without their notice
>>43599809
Firewall p.194
At least synthmorphs have no trouble adding extra robotic limbs to their frames.
>>43602310
Through the Extra Limbs trait for Synthmorphs and Robots.
I'm talking about Cyberware for Biomorphs.
>>43602394
Like I said, yes, unlike meat puppets, synthmorphs are easier to strap more limbs on.
>>43603260
Ok. my issue isn't with that though. My issue is with biomorphs getting arms through cyberware.
>>43603295
Cyberlimb+ or prehensile tail allows that
>>43588991
I want to run a very mega-man inspired game of Eclipse phase. am I a bad person?
>>43603705
Yes, I know. My beef is that such a limb cannot be masked despite art depicting such an arm as indistinguishable from actual arms.
Read the thread next time.
>>43603723
Create a robot master for each faction
Neoliberalism Man
Neoconservatism Man
Social Democracy Man
Anarcho Capitalism Man
Anarcho Communism Man
Social Darwinism Man
>>43603755
Oh I already have it planned out, I just wanted to know if it made me a bad person.
>>43603825
Yes.
But you might be able to take some comfort from knowing that, by posting on /epg/, you're at least 75% a bad person. Running a mega-man inspired game of Eclipse Phase will only add maybe 1 or 2% to your Bad Person percentage.
>>43603755
Sort of like The Pantheon, but for combat-focused synths rather than fashionable biomorphs?
On 'go', brainstorm story seeds based on the Masters of Science Fiction anthology series. Go.
>>43607009
You can't tell me what to do
>>43607892
Bloody anarkiddies. They won't do what anyone tells them to do, even if they told themselves to do it.
I am considering picking this game up. Can anyone sell it to me before I click buy?
>>43609900
First off, go back to the OP and check out the books there. Skim through them and see if it fits your desires before deciding if you should purchase them.
>>43609900
You can read the books for free, do that before you pay money for them
>>43608180
>allowing anyone to tell you what to do
>even yourself
EGO
G
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>>43608180
Have you considered real freedom?
Freedom from the opinions of others?
From the opinions of yourself?
>>43610845
So what does one do without anyone telling them?
>>43610929
t. /lit/ master race :-DDD
>>43588991
What is this and why are their swat octopi
>>43611002
That's the Hidden Concern. Think Octopus Mafia.
>>43588991
>Despite representing only 10% of the Ceres population, uplifts are responsible for 65% of crime there
Is this an actual quote from the book? Either way, color me unsurprised. Octopuses are fucking psychopaths and cetaceans are hardly better. Uplifting them obviously wasn't enough to fix that.
>>43610929
Mostly shitposting. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
>>43610916
Yeah. I know what that freedom is.
It's called paralysis.
>>43611112
>>43611064is an octopus playable?
>>43611226Yes.
>>43611266
Whelp, time to learn a new system.
>>43611357
It's not that tough. It's just a d100 system with more bells on.
>>43611409
Does it use DOS?
>>43588991
So if I want to get into the lore of eclipse phase, where should I start?
>>43611791
Download the corebook from the author's blog
>>43611677
Margin of Success is easy. It's a black-jack style thing. You want to roll high without going over.
So if you roll 55 out of 60, that's a 55 MoS. Also, a critical success, because doubles.
>>43611791
Read A Time of Eclipse. Either on it's own or in the Core Book. Expand from there. I think the usual order is like Core > Transhuman > Panopticon > Sunward > Rimward > Gatecrashing > Firewall
>>43604247
See, I wanted to make Planeteer themed villains for a Scion/EP crossover game. The Party would work for a thin expy of the Chief from Inspector Gadget, with occasional crossings over with the inspector himself, as they tried to save a city on the Moon from a potential TITAN outbreak.
>>43612038
>Not reading rimward immediately after the core book
>laughing titanians.mesh
>>43613951
Rimward is the worst of the books by far. Seems you can't write very well when you're deepthroating anarchist dick.
This may sound weird, but does it ever occur to anyone else that when you die, and you get backed up, that you're still "dead"?
So what if they make a clone of you after you die? The real you is dead! Its not like your going to die then wake up in a new body, its like creating an entirely serperate person?
I can't be the only person who has a problem with this. I mean, transferring your consciousness is one thing, but copying it?
>>43617961
That's one of the most common arguments people have about uploading, backups and transhumanism
>>43618250
I'm actually fine with most everything else except that, since transferring your consciousness isn't quite the same as restoring yourself from a backup.
Thats the only real problem I have with the system, its otherwise super imaginative, one of the best works of speculative hard science fiction I've ever read.
I can imagine the people of the future being that nihilistic and egotistical though, it makes perfect sense to a futurist, I just think I'd have trouble roleplaying somebody that egocentric.
>>43618326
well, that and the fact that fucking remade morphs are fucking broken.
I was kind of curious as to how they look, at first i was picturing something simliar to the neoteny morphs or the ayyy lmao aliens, but then the only picture they have is of a guy who kind of looks like the alien dude from the movie Prometheus
>>43614808
It's good to get an early look at their bullshit. That way you can look at the rest of it with a more cynical eye.
>>43617961
I mean, you're dead, but there's a perfect copy of you that isn't, so it's like you didn't even die. If you don't believe that there's something after death, then there's practically no difference.
>>43618326
Restoring yourself from backup rather than from a stack is basically like waking up from a coma with some memory loss. The only difference is that you can mentally prepare yourself ahead of time.
>>43617961
That's literally the plot to the SOMA game.
>>43614808
So much this. Entire sections of the book are literally nothing but author's wetdreaming about muh anarchism.
>>43618386
Sure, to your clone, thats what its like.
But the ACTUAL you is dead. What kind of narcissist would you have to be to think there is no difference between you're conscious and that of your backup? Two completely separate, distinct entities.
I don't have anything against things like forking, mind you, its just the backups that give me the willies.
>>43618959
>But the ACTUAL you is dead.
What kind of narcissist would you have to be to think there's an actual you in the first place? I'd assume most people are happy in the setting with the (admittedly kinda disconcerting) idea that reinstantiating from a back-up is a-okay, because for most people, that's your ticket off of Earth during/after the Fall.
Accepting it is, at first, a necessity. I'm sad that the game doesn't really present much in the setting regarding the philosophical ramifications of it, but presumably there's a whole body of transhuman works that discuss it somewhere or other.
>>43618959
It's the future. Cultural mores will have warped in the face of technological and societal advances.
>>43620014
There is an actual you, but most people in EP don't have one. That's because the actual you dies as soon as it's put in a computer.
>>43620040
maybe. there does seem to be some sort of distinction between transferring your consciousness and simply copying/forking it.
I don't imagine people would resleeve in a new body just to communicate with someone in a different hab if that meant you would actually have to die first.
>>43620253
so is your backup stuck in stasis? Is its state of consciousness like sleep, or just non-existence? Is it trapped in a timeless hell or is it just complete oblivion?
>>43620272
Your backup is a software which is stored, but not actively running on any, organic or synthetic, device. When you resleeve, indeed, a copy of your ego is created while another one is erased.
The paradigm shift in Eclipse Phase means transhumans consider their ego to be what it is - a piece of data which can be copied, edited, run on disposable and expendable devices called morphs, or, indeed, erased. Life is not linked to morph anyway - it no longer requires one to exist or, if you take AGIs into account, emerge.
>>43620040
>Cultural mores will have warped in the face of technological and societal advances.
That's one of those things that really needs stressing. Most people weren't surviving the Fall in their original body. Indentures are people coming out of a back-up facility; they've been effectively dead for some time and are given the opportunity to come back to life. Forking and remerging, backups, relseeving, all of these technologies are going to have a big impact on how people think about issues such as identity, privacy, life, death, and so on. These views are likely to be drastically different from modern day people, as they're no longer an abstract "what if?" sort of thing, and a more concrete "I was reinstantiated from a backup, what does that mean for me?"
The majority of the population are going to have had to use technology which begs the question "am I me?" after you've used it and come to some kind of conclusion. Whether or not that's having a real hard think about what it means to be them, shrugging your shoulders and just getting on with shit, or deciding that it's not really a question worth asking when you can have an orgy with forks of yourself sleeved into pleasure pods.
>>43620680
I guess what i'm saying is that the game takes a hard stance on aethism. The real question you've gotta ask yourself is:
Is a mind a soul?
>>43620721
I'd always been taught that there were 5 layers, the soil, the spirit, the mind, the (base) emotions, and the (living) body
You might think of as being (in reverse order) the hardware, the firmware, the software, the operating system, and the user
>>43610984
based stirner
>>43620753
*soul
The philosophy of Eclipse Phase rejects this premise. There is simply software, firmware, and hardware, nothing else.
It rejects the notion that the mind or any other higher aspect of the self can affect the material world directly in any way.
>>43620721
>Is a mind a soul?
What's a soul, exactly?
I desperately want, NEED to believe in a soul, a spirit, something that exists outside the ego, but the problem is I have never, EVER seen any evidence that it exists in the material world.
>>43620779
an immortal aspect of the self that persists after you die for all eternity. I've always thought of it as the reverbations and reprecussions your existence has had on the universe.
>>43620779
and before you go defining it as a legacy, a legacy is not at all eternal. I'm talking about the waves and motions of your existence, the minute gravitational fluctuations of your body as you consciousness guides it through life affecting the universe and everything in it.
Because you moved your hand to the left, an asteroid misses a planetary body 3000 years in the future.
I cannot conceive of a universe or a consciousness with a definitive end.
>>43620807
>an immortal aspect of the self that persists after you die for all eternity
So it's part of *you* that persists after *you* die? Then the ego in Eclipse Phase probably could function as an analogy for the soul; your body dies, but the code that makes up your ego can persist on in your cortical stack.
think of the dumbstuck feeling you had when you first were introduced to the zen riddles they tell to young children, "If a tree falls in the forest, does it make a sound?"
Over the years, you search for a more definitive answer, one that satisfies your curiosity, but what you really seek is to recreate the experience you first had when you were young and could not answer from experience.
>>43620824
>I'm talking about the waves and motions of your existence, the minute gravitational fluctuations of your body as you consciousness guides it through life affecting the universe and everything in it.
None of which requires an "immortal aspect of the self" though, does it? Let's say I have an immortal aspect of the self, I can affect the universe and everything in it. Let's say I don't have an immortal aspect of the self, I can affect the universe and everything in it.
>>43620825
The ego is a grasping thing, always filled with wanting and desire, never satisfied with the answers it has been given. To worship the ego is to never be satisfied.
What this book seems on about is the preservation of the ego, not its dissolution. It is an entirely unintuitive approach towards life, its like approaching enlightenment in the most backasswards way possible.
>>43620854
Aren't you just conflating some other definition of ego with the meaning of the word as it applies in Eclipse Phase? The most ascetic of monks and Capitalist Q Slugworth, in Eclipse Phase terms, both posses an ego.
>>43620841
>Let's say I don't have an immortal aspect of the self, I can affect the universe and everything in it.
No, you really can't. With no actual presence, you do not affect anything. You're existence IS your soul, its a hardcoded record of the universe and everything in it, written from your unique perspective.
Imagine the universe was simply a program, everything were data, it was all hardcoded, immutable and unalterable, It would simply run from start to finish, or depending on what you believe, it could just be a recursive algorythm that has no real begging or end.
Your a single line of code.
>>43620794
Why do you need to believe in this concept. What psychological desire does such a belief fulfill?
>>43620868
then why call it an ego and not a mind? Why conflate the terms when they clearly have two distinct meanings that are separate from one another?
>>43620881
I don't know. Its subject to interpetation, I guess you could say maybe its a fear of death, or a way of preserving my fragile ego. Maybe I'm terrified by my own comprehension. Maybe its a need to feel that my life has value and my struggles have meaning.
I just wish I could see one damn thing in my life where the mind could affect the outcome of something DIRECTLY, and I'd never question my faith again. I'd be content in the knowledge that the will can manipulate reality directly, not simply modify your perceptions, not merely acquire a new medium of expression, but literally rewrite the source code of the universe
But there is still this nagging doubt
>>43620876
>You're existence IS your soul, its a hardcoded record of the universe and everything in it, written from your unique perspective.
So it's not exactly the immortal aspect of the self that persists after you die for all eternity, is it? If you believe that the act of simply existing and affecting the environment around you is the soul then little in Eclipse Phase is going to challenge that.
I'd argue that such a definition would mean that everything has a soul - and really, that might not be a bad way of looking at things as far as I'm concerned - but most definitions of soul generally seems to be a way of setting humans apart from other things, by giving them a super-special-snowflake spiritual dimension that other things, they assume, can't have.
>>43618959
If the "actual you" is dead, then you cease to care. To an external observer, there's no difference.
>>43620272
The latter. If you're in dead storage, it's basically like being in a coma.
>>43620890
Because people appropriate words and add meanings to them all the time?
I guess i'm never going to be satisfied until I see someone pick up a rock with their mind.
Everything else is just shunting things into place, forcing things into artificial patterns, manhandling reality into doing what I want it to do, instead of being a channel that allows the universe to do what IT wants to do.
> Ego: The part of you that switches from body to body. AKA ghost, soul, essence, spirit, persona.
- Eclipse Phase, p25
So as far as the game is concerned, if you need a generic soul analogy, there's your ego for that. If you've got some weird and wonderful definition of soul, then it might not work.
Was man meant to invent tools? Was it part of natures plan? Was it simply meant to be an option, not an ends to itself?
The tool was meant to be an extension of the self.
SO high right now.. not even stoned
>>43620899
Give your life value. Give your struggles meaning. Don't wait for someone or something else to give that to you. Make it yourself. Only then will you be able to rid yourself of your existential dread.
When I look at eclipse phase, I see a really UGLY future, one I'm not prepared for, one thats at odds with everything I believe. It isn't the technology per say, its the purposes its put towards.
Its technology the world isn't ready for.
>>43620998
I can not instill my life with inherent, objective meaning and value, i can only subjectively evaluate my experiences and try to assign my own brand of arithmatic to it.
The objective, inherent value of life, I need it to feel complete, to feel whole, to feel alive, i need to believe it exists, that life is good, that death serves a purpose, that we are all here for a reason
I feel small and empty and alone without it, like a hollowed out shell, there is no joy in life without a little bit of faith
Still, I promised I'd give it a chance.
I'm thinking of GMing a game.
It might be a bit preachy the first time round, but i promise there will be plenty of practical people solving practical problems.
>>43621005
>I can not instill my life with inherent, objective meaning and value
So you expect somebody else - who can only subjectively evaluate their experiences - to instil it in you? I mean, if it helps you find joy, then that's fine, but there are other ways of finding joy. What works for you might not work for your neighbour. There might no joy in your life without a little bit of faith, but there can be joy in other people's life without a little bit of faith.
>>43621089 was supposed to be at >>43621028, but now I'm not sure whether or not we're all just the same person talking to ourselves.
>>43621028
Then feel small, empty, and alone, and keep living anyway. The objectivity meme is a poison in your mind. Suck it out. Spit it out.
>>43620969
>universe to do what IT wants to do
The universe simply is. There is no higher will.
At any rate, do apptitude maximums take place before or after you add your morphs bonuses?
Also, it seems like there are an awful lot of non combat skills. I expect ecplise phase to be like any rpg, it usually degenerates into shoot the bad guys, grab the mcguffin, get the girl.
>>43621222
well, according to the character creator, before, it seems.
>>43621249
You can be a competent shooter of bad guys, MacGuffin finder and girl grabber pretty easily in Eclipse Phase and have some points left over at character creation. While you can certainly run Eclipse Phase that way, there are some other options - especially as "getting shot at until they're dead" is more of a minor inconvenience for bad guys, whereas a systemic campaign to undermine their reputation, cutting them off from the networks they use to smuggle MacGuffins is going to do more long-term damage than smashing up their morph.
>>43621005
Jovian pls
>>43621222
Your morph bonuses are constrained by its aptitude maximums. Everything else (drugs, implants, etc) allows you to go over it.
>>43621249
If you can't solve problems without fighting, you might just need togit gudinstead of blaming the game system.
>>43621005
No, it's a technology you aren't ready for. You have no right to hold the rest of humanity back for selfish reasons, luddite.
>>43600692
>Being basically a sphere 900m in diameter is not even a city block. That cannot hold 9 million people.
If you give everyone 70 cubic meters - a small luxury city apartment - worth of space, you could fit in five hundred million people, if it was purely residential.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread844791/pg1
Also, turns out that if you're willing to grind people down into meat, you could fit around 7,000,000,000 people in it. A population of 9 million not ground into delicious meat is hardly that far fetched.
>>43624260
It isn't purely residential. There's a giant park in the center, the upper third is left to a "skydome" and there are stores and establishments.
>>43624492
But you can see why nine million people in that volume of space isn't a silly idea, right? If you could give living space to 500 million, if it was purely residential, then 9 million people hardly justifies the numbers in the book being "retarded". It just means that >>43624260 cannot into volumes.
Say you gave new Nectar the population density of England (all green fields, rolling hills and Wolverhampton), and emptied out the top third of the sphere, you could still fit in nine million very comfortable people.
>>43624648
And I cannot into linking posts today. I need me some caffeine.
>>43600692
How much of them are infomorphs with no need for space? How much of them are synths which require very little of it?
>>43624706
Very little, Synth and Infomorph prejudice is the highest in the LLA except the Jovian Republic.
>>43624706
It doesn't matter.
Even if 10% of the space was given over to residential needs, there would be enough space available to give five times the current population luxury apartments. The amount of actual space is staggering!
>>43603755
>>43626294
Whoever made all these Eclipse Phase spurdos is a fugging genius.
t. /btg/ crossposter
>>43620890
Ego is a common stand-in for Self.
To Freud, Ego was the rational self mediating the Superego and the Id.
>>43629416
:-DD
>>43629930
It also should be noted the Ego is only a part of the brain copied. It's all the self-identity and memory stuff, but it is only partial.
>>43630097
You are subjected to the influence of your biomorph's brain?
>>43630167
Yes, as ego transfer isn't like data for meatbrains, it's a physical remaping of a brain into an exact copy of the ego.
So any physical changes or enhancements will effect the ego while in that morph.
>>43630217
My biocore can do drugs, right? Like, do I just dump them in my fishbowl?
>>43630250
Not entirely certain. I'd argue you can, but administering them requires special circumstances.
>>43630167
Yeah, any parts of the CNS the Ego isn't on stay written to the morph, this is how morphs have certain physical trait like addiction. So people in say, Mentons are super focused and have much sharper memory than if they're in say, a Sylph, where they're more likely to feel more personable and socially adroit.
>>43630250
Well, considering you have to feed your brain unless you pay for like, an extended life support case, probably.
>>43630286
OK, thanks.
>>43630340
Oh, that's neat. So "I" can get to experience what it's like to be a sapient octopus rather than just a human inside an octopus, right?
>>43620776
>It rejects the notion that the mind or any other higher aspect of the self can affect the material world directly in any way.
>has psychic powers
>>43630374
Yes? I mean octopus morphs are transgenic uplifts to human intelligence so you won't get the totally authentic octopus experience.
The discussions above about the nature of the ego reminded me: a friend of mine told me this while he was reading the core book.
>I really want to like this game, but I kinda find the base premise of saving transhumanity from extinction kinda pointless when the majority of actual remaining humans (ie not copies) are either under the thumb of a fascist regime based around Jupiter or trapped on Earth. Why should I care about saving a race that's essentially copies of dead people?
And a question he asked that I really don't have an answer to:
>Also what's the point of being an engineer. a habitat technician, or a pilot when AIs just do everything? I know their skill cap is 40 but using complementary knowledge skills with those rolls they can get those skills up to 70. You never have to pay AIs, feed them, water them, nothing. Why have lawyers or teachers or historians when AIs can do the job way better?
I'm trying to get a game of EP up and he's one of the prospect players, but he's put off by the game's notion that the mind being software is objective fact, and you're a dumb idiot if you believe in a soul (so the book says). Which is weird because he's not especially religious.
>>43631077
I mean, he could play a character who leans that way.
Also, there's plenty of non-copy people off planet, there were relatively big populations of colonists already on Mars, Luna, Venus, Titan, etc.
And again, the usual thing is to look at it from the "copies" angle. Yeah, okay, you're a "copy" of a dead person, but you feel and think basically like they did, barring some psychic feedback from the whole death experience. They still feel like them, and since they are a renewed instance, they are that person. It contains the same metaphysical spark - that's Ego.
>Also what's the point of being an engineer. a habitat technician, or a pilot when AIs just do everything?
Depends where you live in the PC, their own economics get in their way. It's more expensive to purchase and license to copy an AI than it is to get people with the skills to do it. Also, AI don't buy coke, nikes or sony TVs. Other places, you only have to work like 4 hours a week anyway, so you do all the stuff AIs can't do - or you make sure the AIs did their job right and don't crash or glitch.
And, as a final mechanical caveat, weak AI cannot default, period. And for aptitude tests they have a max of 20, typically 10. So basically, they're completely fucked if they run into anything outside of their pre-programmed knowledge, they are costly and time-consuming to add new knowledge to (you can't just teach them.) and if you want them to do anything general, they're pretty shit at it. This is part of why they're easy to say, subvert by TITANs, most AIs would - in mechanical terms - roll a 30 check on say a Basilisk save.
>>43631077
>>43631227
Shorter solution. Have him watch some Ghost in the Shell. If he can't get into it or wrap his brain around it - probably not for him.
>>43631077
For the first issue, he has to divorce his real life opinions from that of his character. In almost all cases, he will be playing one of those "copies of dead people", who would believe themselves to be alive regardless of any philosophical arguments against it.
For the second issue, there are three reasons why AIs are not more widely used: dumb AIs have less general knowledge (ie. common sense) than a transhuman ego, making them more prone to mistakes; hypercorporations would prefer transhumans that get an income to spend on their products, instead of AIs that have no desire to buy products; and AIs are blamed for the Fall, making them less trustworthy in transhumanity's eyes.
>>43631258
Actually he got interested into Eclipse Phase purely because of having watched Ghost in the Shell, both the movie and both seasons. He also won't shut the hell up about Deus Ex Human Revolution. When I mentioned those as source inspiration for the setting I got him hooked...sort of.
>>43631261
I don't know if I can sell him by saying "every time you egocast you are effectively killing yourself while a copy of you wakes up somewhere else, deal with it".
I'd like to think that, if the mind is software as the setting presents itself as, wouldn't the ego actually be transferred across space, not a copy? I'd think the only way that you'd be replaced by a copy of yourself is if you're restored from a backup.
>>43631397
>I don't know if I can sell him by saying "every time you egocast you are effectively killing yourself while a copy of you wakes up somewhere else, deal with it".
Then don't use that approach. Instead, present the opportunity to roleplay as a "copy" as a challenge for him. Can he convincingly roleplay as a dead man who thinks himself alive?
>>43631397
That's just a conceit of the setting, most people except stringent bio-cons don't give a distinction between original and copies of egos. They're all still you, which get's thorny when you have unpruned copies or alphas going about, which is why copies known as forks are deliberated pruned to be less than the original for a particular purpose, and then reassimilated when their purpose is finished.
An Alpha is an exact copy, a Beta is a pruned copy, a Delta is more an AI with the ego superimposed onto it, and Gammas aren't deliberately created, but are like traces of an ego left in things.
>>43631397
>I'd like to think that, if the mind is software as the setting presents itself as, wouldn't the ego actually be transferred across space, not a copy? I'd think the only way that you'd be replaced by a copy of yourself is if you're restored from a backup.
There's no difference between a transferred file and a copy of it.
>>43597039
>What happens to them? How do the Titanians treat prisoners? What is their justice system like?
Given that Titan was colonized by Scandinavian/Nordic countries and Canada, expect the criminal justice system to be on the nicer side of things. Trials are probably swift but fair, with punishments aimed at rehabilitation and reparation instead of retribution.
Prison is probably a simulspace server where inmates get therapy and trades training.
Now, that's if you're a civvy doing civvy illegal things like murder and arson. If they catch spooks being spooky, you're going to have a bad time.
>>43631077
>Why have lawyers or teachers or historians when AIs can do the job way better?
Why do you think most infugees end up sucking dick for a living? The bottom has fallen out of the market for almost everything else
What's a good conflict for a soldier to be a veteran from?
>>43632755
The Fall is the default.
>>43632755
The Battle of Locus is a fun one. Make a Consortium soldier who's stuck in the Outer System somehow, hoping nobody will find out she fought for the wrong side
>>43624260
70 cubic meters
10'x10'x10' room = 27 cubic meters
>>43633640
>=~
9x9x9
10x10x10 actually is 33 cm or something
Everytime I try to create a character I get stuck on the idea of, "Is the GM going to burn me? Am I going to be resleeving every session, or will I get to keep my baseline morph for a little while?"
There are only 3 morphs with caps of 40 for COG, so if I get stuck with some other morph having a 30 COG will basically be a waste because many morphs get a +5 to COG and many cap out at 25...
What setting do you prefer to run your games in. Inner System, Outer Systerm? Exoplanets? Any particular location?
>>43634529
Anywhere but An-Soc habs. None of the characters that I want to play have reason to have decent @-rep.
>>43634324
Give yourself a negative morph bonus and don't spend more than the bonus' worth of points on it in credits. You'll at least come out even. Now, if you already have a COG of 30, then don't bother sleeving in ones with COG bonuses. Also, there are 4 morphs with caps of 40 for COG: Savant, Hyberbright, Remade, and Reaper.
Done!
Made my first character.
Techie/Hacker in a Savant Morph allied with the Titan Faction.
>>43635816
>allied with the TITAN faction
This board is for human beings, singularity seekers belong on >>>/lesswrong/ and >>>/xenosystems/
>>43635913
No, not TITAN, Titaniun Commonwealth
>>43635058
Can i join your game?
[email protected]
My characters name is Nibbets. He is a bit eccentric.
Do I need an ai to run my robots?
>>43634529
Bit of everything really; I prefer games where you get to travel around and see / show off all the different things the solar system has to offer in terms of locations and cultures. It also means that you don't have to say to potential players "your character must be from X, Y or Z" and having a group of characters that are from all different locations gives each player character an opportunity to be the local person showing around a bunch of tourists.
It also helps filter out people who get catastrophically, irrevocably butthurt about the politics in the game. Yeah, if you don't like the Planetary Consortium or the Scum or the Titanians and won't play in a game where you might have to interact with one of these groups, then go away.
>>43636188
Robots come with built-in AI which has relevant skills at 40. You either use it, or remote pilot, or JAM IT IN.
>>43636515
>find robot
>delete on board AI
>sabotage controls
>prevent jamming
>mission accomplished
Just made my second character. I call him DigDug. He is a Re-Instantiated Barsoomian in a Daitya morph.
He is part of the martian underground.
Made a third character.
Bo, (Or Dr. Spin, as hes known in media circles) is a bonobo uplift who is in a neo-simian morph. He has lots of contacts and is good with people.
