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Non-lewd edition. What kind of PG adventures has your party been up to this week?
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>>47615273
You know that this isn't going to happen.
Anyways my game got canceled, one person couldn't make it and another lost internet connection. It's only been two months since I've played/run a game ;-;
Asking again from >>47623770
Anyone know how to gain some kind of damage from using a Dirty Trick on someone? This anon >>47625092 pointed out a 3pp prestige class called the Daredevil, but I'm having trouble finding the right one.
>>47625558
One of my games is explicitly for lewds, and the other just has a lot of tongue-in-cheek stuff but ERP has happened before.
This week the non-lewd game curbstomped a group of heroes that were eight levels above them. Cleric with two Planetar allies, reach build inquisitor with tiger companion, kitsune fey sorcerer and an archer paladin.
The party is all PoW, and they had some close calls with SoL spells and a cave in from Earthquake, but made short work of anything they got close to. Close being relative, since one of them dropped the cleric from a hundred feet back with a bow.
We're about to have a session where we're wrapping up a land dispute between a human city that dislikes other races and an orc tribe that has been wrongfully pushed out of their land. We just got the druid tribe to support the orcs so I think it should go smoothly from here. The city leader is a mean son of a bitch dragonkin though. Which is ironic considering the city's contempt for non human races. Regardless, we killed his general and negotiations will be held soon. If they break down, we'll incite a riot against him and storm the castle.
That god awful Facebook thread is still going. Who the fuck dropped this Sam guy on his head as a child?
>>47625558
Game should start in like, 4-5 hours. Unless it gets canceled again. Which it just might, because the other players seem to always forget to drink a fucking cup of coffee before sitting down GOD DAMN.
In the meantime, for shits'n'giggles I'm looking at the Warlock Vigilante and trying to figure out how hard it would be to just make it a standalone class with an entirely different name. Using the vigilante version as a jumping off point to make it easier to eyeball features. The problem I'm running into though is that the Vigilante actually feels REALLY overloaded, despite not actually being stronger than similar classes. There's just SO MANY THINGS packed into everything. It gets an entire set of social talents, and a lot of the vigilante talents scale up, are "feat plus bonus feature", or sometimes both. Why on earth does the vigilante get SO MANY THINGS?
WHY DOES IT GET SO MANY THINGS?
>>47625788
>WHY DOES IT GET SO MANY THINGS?
So rogues couldn't get them.
>>47625682
>curbstomped a group of heroes that were eight levels above them
>The party is all PoW
>close calls with SoL spells and a cave in from Earthquake
>Cleric with two Planetar allies, reach build inquisitor with tiger companion, kitsune fey sorcerer and an archer paladin
>eight levels above them
...and people wonder why it gets banned.
>>47625788
Because, contrary to all expectations, the vigilante is actually pretty decent.
I'm paraphrasing another anon who said it better, but classically paizo has always developed good ideas with poor implementation. the Vigilante, though, was kind of a piss poor idea due to the already existing thing known as 'basically every other class'.
And then they somehow made it work, in a literal reversal of their normal paradigm. Someone probably realized the reason why wizards are good is because they do, in fact, get "SO MANY THINGS" and then attempted to apply that to a non-caster.
>>47625788
Because they're not meant to run with other classes.
Same with Occult stuff. They're not really meant to mix with other stuff.
>>47625899
Assuming they didn't have 8 levels higher wealth buy level, I could totally see them getting wrecked by a lower level party. Most of the numbers bloats comes from magic items.Summons and Animal companions are ridiculously overrated and borderline useless after shank town
>>47625682
See, either your GM was SERIOUSLY pulling punches or is just incompetent. 8 levels is far too wide of a margin to overcome.Or maybe PoW is a little too strong at murder, but hey saying this will get someone to tell me I have some kind of personal vendetta against martials
>>47625957
Summons are great if invested in and used properly, and only really if invested in.
Animal companions are in a similar vein.
>>47625899
My guess is that if the DM enjoys rolling for dozens of mooks each turn and spending days to make important NPCs capable of lasting at least two rounds against initiators it might work...
But I have neither the time nor desire to run thar kind of game. I just want some interesting challenges for them but it seems all they want is to crush everything in their path regardless of interactions, backstory or potential allies.
>>47625986
It's true. I know how to turn the animal companion of a hunter into an absolute murderbeast, but it requires focusing the majority of the build around actually doing that.
>>47625972
8 level difference against that was definitely pulling punches or not knowing how to use the characters effectively.
>>47626042
It actually just really requires the Animal Companion's build and Strong Jaw. Grab one with a good attack cycle and increase it. For the character's build you grab maybe 1 feat and a few spells.
>>47625682
SoL is a fucking meme, SoS is what actually exists.
>>47626049
Very much this. This, COMBINED with players that knew what the fuck they were doing, and their strengths were played to with the encounters.
It's like if someone fields fifty 5HD mooks against my e.flux aegis-oversized Silver-Spiral XASER, or if someone pits some 500hp dragon against a half-giant lance charger.
These are *exactly* what those builds are best at dealing with, and the outcome is determined from the start. You may as well be wondering why the wizard passed his spellcraft check.
>>47626172
What the fuck is a Xaser?
>>47626243
X-Ray equivalent of lasers. They're called "X-Laser" in the tech guide.
Long range, one of the better warsoul weapons if you can get elemental focus and weapongroup-adaptation, mostly worthless for others.
If you do build for it though, it has 200ft increments and every single shot's a penetrating line.
>Select all the street signs
>There is ONE street sign
>Still have to click more squares
>Which are incorrect and it's your fault
>>47626072
So then Dominate, Disintigrate, Wail of the Banshee and all the rest don't 'actually exist'?
>>47626049
>>47625972
I must be incompetent then, because I loaded that enemy party up with the Big Six, save boosters, everything but AC since the party already needed a 15 or 18+ to hit them. And then I just started dropping their highest DC spells on the party while the inquisitor buffed and used reach to try to hold them back.
>>47625876
>>47625912
>Someone probably realized the reason why wizards are good is because they do, in fact, get "SO MANY THINGS" and then attempted to apply that to a non-caster.
And that is absolutely fantastic, and makes me wish the implementation of the Vigilante, save for the dual-identity stuff, had just been how they did the majority of martial classes. I don't understand how paizo can fuck up good concepts and turn a terrible idea intocompared to everything elsea masterpiece.If I call this Not!Warlock a hybrid class between the Magus and something else, can I get away with slapping spell combat on it, so long as you can't do it with actual weapons like a magus? Ditto for spellstrike, though that would be as an optional talent.
>>47626293
Disintegrate is not SoL. It's just damage, much less damage than if someone had shot a bow and arrow at you at the same level.
Dominate is mind effecting, while SoL mind effecting is so god damn easy to guard against. Every martial should be rolling 2-3 times and taking the better against them.
Wail of the Banshee does less damage than a full attack at equal level, by far, definitely doesn't count as SoL.
Dominate is the only one out of that list that qualifies.
>>47626293
>I must be incompetent then, because I loaded that enemy party up with the Big Six, save boosters, everything but AC since the party already needed a 15 or 18+ to hit them. And then I just started dropping their highest DC spells on the party while the inquisitor buffed and used reach to try to hold them back.
Yes you are. 8 levels is far too large of a difference for the PoW characters to be able to win unless you pulled serious punches or the characters were build incompetently (which is sounds like).Or perhaps if PoW characters are punching eight notches above their weight class they need to have their power level be examined, what classes were the PoW characters. Honestly the story simply reeks of didn't happen
>>47626382
Hell, the archer alone should have likely been able to kill one a turn if they were any good, especially if they got to pick the engagement range.
>>47626322
I really feel like the Vigilante was them waking up to smell the coffee on a number of simple ideas for martials they have somehow botched up until now, although sadly I don't anticipate them applying it more widely.
>Hey, I know we don't like dex-to-damage, but what if we rewarded people who had Weapon Finesse but didn't dump strength instead of punishing dexterity builds?
>Y'know, if this class is built around a lot of different feats, what if we gave it class features that gave it a thematic feat and then let it do something further with it, like the fighter probably should have been able to do all along?
>What if we built a class that doesn't have a spell list unless it takes an archetype but still, and bear with me here, is still intended to contribute to non-combat situations instead twiddling its thumbs while the mages handle that?
Ok /pfg/!
We asked our DM for a Final Fantasy-esque adventure, and we got it.
On our part of the deal, we are gonna make:
-A Chronomancer (Time Oracle)
-A Red Mage (Mystic Theurge
-A Moogle Knight (Cavalier w/ Ostrich mount)
-A Blue Mage (???, something that would enjoy swim/burrow/fly speed to mimic monsters behavior)
-A Viking (???, heavy on thunder/ice magic and with the Axe)
How would you fill those blanks?
>>47626482
For the Blue Mage, you're going to want to look at the Aegis class, and perhaps the Aberrant archetype. It's very good at mimicking monster abilities.
I can't help with the viking, though.
>>47626482
Blue Mage: Aegis I'm afraid...
Viking: Barbarian with maybe some magus levels but probably the magic's from his items.
Have you considered trying the brand new FFRPG4e?
I'm playing a blue mage in that, and it's been a blast so far.
>>47626482
Aegis for Blue Mage, and Warpriest for Viking
In honor of non-lewd edition;tell me about the lewdest, or most arousing, character you've ever made or seen in a campaign.
>>47626382
Crimson Countess, Edge Lord Daring Hero, Rubato and Warder. I can't recall their disciplines off the top of my head but it sounds like I just fucked up by... not cheating spell DCs higher? Not having counters? Allowing enemy AC to stay below needing a Nat 20 to hit?
>>47626623
You build them as if you were building PCs. You obviously did not. If this was intentional then that's fine, an enormous portion of a character's power comes from their magic items.
Something a simple as mirror image fucks over a lot of initiators. If it was high enough level both the sorcerer and the inquisitor should have spent the entire fight invisible, the inquisitor also in a bubble of silence to screw over blind sight. The sorcerer should have either been flying or behind other defenses.
The cleric has a lot of ways to defend itself, more so depending on their domains.
If you purposefully made them weak if fine, if you did not then you actually are just incompetent at builds. Honestly this isn't so much a bad thing as just a thing you need experience to get better at.
>>47626594
>Completely innocent awakened Golem
>Half the party too autistic to answer such childlike questions
>The bard who can't shut up happily answers everything
>Most of it wrong or dirty in some way
>Gets trained to wingman, 'assist multiplay' and guard against husbands
>Photographic memory
>'Grows up' taking all of these things as normal
>Midway through the campaign the rest of the party realizes they've fucked up and fucked up big
>They raised an innocent to view genocidal murderhoboing as THE way to do good and make people happy
>They let an innocent be raised such that its entire world of comparison for metaphors, similes and simple "is it like" questions have become dirty bedroom things or outright murder
>and he never shuts up making things horrid in polite company
>because he's a fucking THREE YEAR OLD
>>47626743
You have piqued my interest.
Please, tell me more.
>>47626743
So you are just being yourself them ?
>>47626739
Less builds I think and more tactics. I tend to avoid invisible NPCs as the last two times I used that tactic there were TPKs.
>>47626784
This was years ago. Some friends were suggesting a 'child' character; I was playing a bard with 'kirk' tendencies, and my friend didn't want to be the little girl, so he made a bigass rock whose innocence was caused by being a brand new blank slate with full physical and mental stats.
Unfortunately as we discovered after a few sessions, roughly half the party was of "I hide in the rafters and brood shadowingly" variety, two of whom took it rather personal when anyone dared step all over their character by trying to, say, advance the plot.
Since two of the characters were doing some romance plot and *no one else* was asking questions in regards to actually advancing the story, it was basically left to my shenanigans (which I quickly started having to pull back to the minimum of what my character flaws demanded I do to avoid penalties) and the golem's constant constant questions in order to get anything to go forward. Anything.
So here's a guy who basically goes whoring anytime he rolls low on his will, and his sidekick whose every single life lesson is either about prostitutes, married women, mass-destruction or magical theory when he's lucky.
By the time we're saving the kingdom, these lessons have been hardcoded into him. Everything is either something we should fuck, something we don't care about, or something that needs to die because it's hostile to us or either of the two above.
And for the longest time the party's only interactions with him were "Fuck you", "I don't have time for this don't you know how important my brooding is" or "tee hee I love him so much don't you think he's cute", making most of the party basically nameless NPCs that we're escorting in his eyes. Especially since they weren't very good in battle while even without my buffs the party's pet rock was a swedish murder machine (I think he was explosive-rocket-punching things? it's been a while)
>>47626999
So near the end, one day the BBEG (who of course turned out to not be the true BBEG, blah blah blah) actually demands to know how in the fuck something like him even comes to exist, and he answers.
His entire life, he was either told to fuck off, told what needs killing, sent to mr.coke&whores or be bitched at that he's slowing down the plot by not brooding in a corner and refusing to grasp at any hooks or clues.
So he did all he knew: kill things, drag things back to the "rapist" (I didn't know what SJWs were back then but we had one that thought prostitutes were autoraped because something), finger things rapingly, and explode shit with his hands.
He'd been built as a weapon, raised as a weapon, and sent to save the world, and damned if he was going to fail at his existence.
>>47626886
I went on the 'seen' part of the question.
The lewedest character I ever made was a fairy that likes to uh, "dive right in", and so had a preference for amazons and orc women.
His favorite thing was shrinking himself down another size category and fucking them in the cervix. Ideally for money; it was hotter when they're whores.
>I was able to keep a straight face playing this because it was nowhere near any of my magical realms, much to the horror of my colleagues.
>>47626482
If you're allowed DSP material, then the Blue Mage is an Aegis with the various movement and attack options (such as shooting poisons or flying around) and the Viking is a Zweihander Sentinel Warder with the Cagebreaker Brotherhood martial tradition (they're chaotic as well as granting Elemental Flux).
If it's 1st-party only, then you're shit out of luck with the Blue Mage (I guess maybe an Alchemist can pull something off if you squint?), while the Viking is a Warpriest.
How well does Path Of War/Psionics/Akasha integrate in an Ex campaign(E6, E8, E10, etc)?
>>47627624
In E6, PoW will dominate most of the game due to being kinda OP at levels 1-5.
Then it gets a tad more reasonable.
>>47627624
They tend to be best suited to E8, since many of the not-paizo abilities are better spread out and delayed a little compared to, say, spells.
The same kind of shit you're trying to stop by not attaining 7, but allow by reaching 5th, are on 7 and 9 for, say, psionics or path of war.
>players anger a NE druid by destroying his druid circle
>druid decides to hunt them down
>casts earthglide & see through stone
>follows them underground
>knows he can't fight the entire party, decides to pick them off
>waits underground for opportune rocky area with minimal space to move
>casts rock to mud
>turns everything near them into mud (close to 40ft in every direction).
>grabs whoever is slowest to react
>makes a drag attempt to pull them into the mud
>casts mud to rock
>encases them
>waits until they sufficate
>casts flesh to stone
>casts rock to mud
>mixes body mud with surrounding mud, taking gear
>casts rock to stone again
Can't even get the body back.
>>47627696
>, since many of the not-paizo abilities are better spread out and delayed a little compared to, say, spells.
This is relatively wrong as maneuvers go up as spells. Initiators in power scaling for when they scale are almost identical to full casters, merely to a somewhat lesser degree.
>>47627295
>>47626546
>>47626531
>>47626516
Thanks boys!
Sadly it is 1pp, so i'll have a look around the Alchemist, the Synth Summoner (yeah, i'm gonna be the blue mage) or a mutation Fighter. Mostly stuff around the alchemist, i guess.
>>47627857
Perhaps Beastmorph? That gives you a bunch of monster abilities to choose from.
>>47627757
The power of maneuvers and psionics are stunted compared to spells.
Other than blasting, a lot of things come a little later.
>>47628036
Maneuver's POWER is not stunted, maneuver's OOC versatility is stunted compared to spells. Once combat begins initiators are just as powerful as casters. Putting an equal leveled and optimized initiator and caster next to each other during combat has the initiator come out on top in terms of incombat versatility, damage, debuffing, and defense. The only thing they are worse at is battlefield control.
Casters have "campaign breaking" powers like dominate, teleport, etc, but once combat begins initiators are favored.
>>47628121
Even manever power is relatively stunted. They do good single target stuff but it tends to be shorter debuffs or just damage. Comparable spells can AoE shut down a fight.
The PROBLEM is that maneuvers are trivial to optimize, while a caster's player needs to work for it.
>>47628121
And OUTSIDE of combat, which is where locking out higher levels comes in, they don't get to crack clue-batman's back over divination-bane's knee as much.
Casters have campaign breaking, not "campaign breaking" powers like dominate, teleport, augury, etc, but once combat begins dominate, enervate, color spray, grease, hold person are favored.
Hey guys, rebuilding my mythic character and I'm swapping from Champion to Guardian. I was using Impossible Speed to bring myself from 20ft move speed to 50ft, since I was in heavy armor. However, since I'm now making a PoW:E Zealot, this limits my options.
I am going to be level 9, Mythic 3. Mythic Feats are spoken for. Maneuvers and Stances are spoken for. What you have to work with is 1 Zealot conviction and 3 standard progression feats, as well as...let's say half my WBL. I cannot Dual Path Champion for Impossible Speed because I am going to be Dual Path Marshal for Perfect Aid.
Psionic feats are not allowed, so irritatingly, no Speed of Thought + Unhindered Way.
So, /pfg, how do I recover from the pit of 20ft move speed?
>>47629100
Mithril and one of the dozens of movement maneuvers. Or 2 levels of armored hulk
>>47629202
As I said, maneuvers are all already set. I'm looking to do this with feats and WBL.
Mithral won't help, I'm using heavy armor
So my friend is running a game soon-ish and he asked me to play a class that can "tank" or heal for the group, because he and I are the only two people who're going to have any past experience with tabletop gaming.
My first idea for a character to fut that bill was a pretty standard Dwarf fighter, but I'm the kind of person who likes to bring something unexpected or new to games I play, so I'm a bit less enthused about playing just a generic character type.
My new idea is based on that Alchemist specialization where you take potions that turn you into a hulking monster, Jeckyl and Hyde style, but I'm worried that this might not be good enough at taking damage to fill the role of "tank", though I feel like the ability to brew healing potions for the rest of the party to serve as a makeshift healer in addition might make up for that.
I don't have the rulebook with me right now, because I'm at work, but I wanted to know if anybody had any thoughts on the matter.
>>47629488
In my experience it really isn't great at taking damage for the group, it kills things too fast to take much damage to its absurd amounts of health.
>>47629351
If you can use the piecemeal armor rules go with an agile breastplate and scale arms and legs for 420gp and has 9 ac, 3 max dex, -4 acp and movement as a medium. Make it mithral for 7000gp and now you're at 9, 5, -1 an 30 movement. Get boots of striding and springing for 5500 gp for an additional 10 movement bringing you to 40ft for a total of 12920 gp before armor enhancements
>>47629100
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/a-b/boots-of-striding-and-springing
>>47629585
As I've said, the armor is already set. My character crafted his own adamantine full plate, it was actually a minor plot point to acquire the materials.
Boots of Striding and Springing are very much on my list, but im looking for more.
>>47629631
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/psionics-unleashed/equipment/psionic-items/universal-items#TOC-Boots-of-Skating
Is also good.
>>47629488
Warder for tanking, Vitalist for healing.
>>47629631
Then take run a billion times. Or consider retraining maneuvers at a later date. We can't do much with 20000~ gp and 3 feats. You've shot down almost every single idea we've given you.
You made your bed, now lie in it.
>>47629653
Not going to fly, sadly. GM doesn't want to learn psionics, and doesn't want to start the slippery slope of allowing things piecemeal from the book. I only got zealot because he trusts me, but the source is the reason I can't use Speed of Thought to begin with.
It's not a decision I like, but the GM is otherwise one of the best I've had
>>47629528
Killing everything so fast it can't hurt me can work too.
>>47629656
I'll look into those, thanks.
>>47627733
Someone went off the GMs rails
>>47629697
Honestly, the reason I came here is because I was hoping for ideas I hadn't already thought of. Most of the ideas you've raised are ones that I already thought of.
>>47629488
"Tanking" is not really a thing in PF outside 3pp. There are no effective ways of stopping enemies from targeting PCs other than yourself unless you're in a 5-foot corridor.
>>47629764
>doubting Warders
>>47629771
Warders are 3pp. Lrn2read.
>>47629771
>outside of 3pp
>>47629795
>>47629800
DSP can hardly be considered 3pp when almost every GM ever allows it.
>>47629764
That's why I put it in quotation marks. I know full well that I can't stop people from mashing the wizard's face in with aggro like in an MMO, but we still want a character that can fit the "able to take a beating on behalf of the other players" dynamic.
>>47629815
you left out a very important word in your statement. COMPETENT GMs, which are almost as rare as competent Paizo devs, allow PoW
>>47629834
I guess I'm fortunate for having a group where almost all 3pp flies and most NPC's are either initiators or manifesters. :^)
>>47629815
>DSP can hardly be considered 3pp when almost every GM ever allows it.
In what dreamworld do you live in? Outside /pfg/, the vast majority of GMs will ban any 3pp without a second thought.
>>47629904
Man, my play community must be weird. We tend to mix 3.5 and 3pp into our Pathfinder as a matter of course.
>>47629488
Melee Alchemist into Master Chymist is just about the coolest thing ever. Feral Mutagen discovery is a must (three natural attacks at level 2 makes even the most min-maxed Barbarians weep), and you can take the Vivisectionist archetype for extra "AAARGH MY SPINE!".
>>47629488
Tanking is a fake request; you can't actually "tank" in pathfinder.
Even if you could it would pale in comparison to the most effective damage reduction in the game.
Dead Enemies: Because Dead Enemies Deal No Damage.
>>47629985
Zealot can "tank" as they can reduce damage to and heal Hp and ability score damage to the entire party and suppress conditions as free/immediate actions without sacrificing offense.
>>47629488
Knight Chandler. Be the magical girl.
Guys - I need some advice...
I'm looking to have an "ok i'm going to fucking destroy this piece of shit" mode whereupon my damage goes through the roof for a turn or so to demolish an enemy. Rage + Mutagen + some kind of boost maneuver etc. etc. = huge DPR for one round. That's what I'm looking for - the ability to absolutely erase an enemy while having decent damage output otherwise. How can I accomplish this?
Any 3pp.
>>47629488
Alchemist with VMC Barbarian, taking the Guarded Life and Greater Guarded Life rage powers (use the level 13 feat for Extra Rage Power). If you take the Mummification discovery at level 10 you remove 2x your level in damage from any incoming source if it would reduce you below 0 HP. Then you can stack on stuff like Ablative Barrier (which removes another 5 damage from every attack), Stoneskin, and Ferocious Tenacity to just tank damage. Then on the Alchemist side you can take Chirurgeon for healing infusions, grab the Healing Bomb discovery, and take Fast Healing/Healing Touch so you can heal at range and as a free action on your turn.
There's also the Bramble Brewer/Visionary Researcher path, where you give all your allies Experimental Dendrite mutagens and carry around a source of Bright light so everyone has Fast Healing all the time.
>>47630207
Stalker dual strike is rather nice for this
>>47630207
Something something Path of War.
>>47630232
And you know what you'll be dishing out?
ZERO
FUCKING
DAMAGE
ZERO
FUCKING
DEBUFFS
ZERO
FUCKING
THREAT
Congratulations, you're invincible. You will never die. You will also never be relevant.
>>47630302
It's still an Alchemist with bombs. So you've got bombs, you've got rage plus mutagen, you've got extracts.
>>47630339
You're burning a shitload of things to get defence, half your feats on rage powers, and you need to somehow afford the stats for Con, Dex, and Int all high for your DCs and to-hit and HP. You won't ever have enough feats to do both the tanking AND a bombchucker, so you're throwing 1d6/2 levels once per round.
That is shit.
>>47630207
Any maneuver where you hit multilple times/enemies on a standard and reflected blade style will help too
>>47630043
They're not taking damage in place of the others though, and not taking the enemy's attention so others are in the clear.
That's actually more along the lines of bubble-type healers.
What is the best psychic discipline?
>>47630392
Alright, so you just ignore bombs for melee. What's the issue?
>>47630454
Conjuration.
Help me out here guys.
I am creating a halfling spellcaster with an animal companion that will be ludicrously huge to match their ego. But what is the better class for sharing buffs with the companion, fey sorcerer or animal domain Cleric?
I eventually plan on taking a one-level dip in Mammoth Rider to maximize it's bigness. On a related note, if I were to cast enlarge person or I just might, and then used animal growth via a dire collar, would the effects stack?
>>47630607
>righteous might
Ftfy
>>47630454
Are you talking about Psion disciplines, the equivalent of schools for powers, or the class choice the Psychic class from Occult Adventures gets?
I'm currently building a Dread Vanguard Tyrant Antipaladin and my DM is strongly encouraging me to take a few levels in Hellknight for the sake of the AP.
Any advice? Would it be worth it to delay my Antipaladin to take a few levels of it?
>>47630708
>Antipaladin
>Alignment: Chaotic evil.
>Hell knight
Son..........
>>47630943
>tyrant antipaladin
>LE
Son..........
>>47630943
Tyrant is the LE antipaladin
>>47630207
Gambler Kineticist (DSP Psionic Class), Double or Nothing, Raise the Stakes, Empowered Energy Ray augmented to 20d6 (so 30d6 with Empower) thanks to Empower cost reduction from Metapsionics mastery, Crystalline Needle Blast.
All taken together, this deals roughly around 100d6+120 damage.
>>47625755
You can't just say that and not give any deets
>>47631006
Oops didn't see that part
I never really got why Hellknights have to slay a Devil in combat. Wouldn't it make much more sense if they had to get one-over on a Devil by using a technicality to enslave one or to get out of a faustian pact scot-free? Basically beating them at their own game.
>>47631062
It's easier to stab them that it is to do that shit
>>47631069
So the game got dumbed down for people who have no brains, gotcha.
I'll be houseruling the requirement to defeating a devil without shedding blood.Which also allows strangling them with piano wire
>>47631006
>>47631003
>>47630943
>>47631055
Pretty much. The AP is Hell's Vengeance and it seems they give you every opportunity to become a Hellknight so my DM is strongly nudging me into that direction. I'm just not sure if my character will really fit the role, or if I'm willing to delay my Antipaladin levels. That said, a 2 level dip I don't see hurting that badly, and I would get the fancy armor.
>tieflings are feared all across the land for their fearsome appearances
>almost every not Bloof Of Fiends Tiefling illustration is of a beautiful red guy/girl with built in facefuck handles
why do they do this
>>47631062
That's a specific story feat actually, from Agents of Evil iirc. It's also hard as fuck to pull off, you need to convince a Devil to do something completely pro bono with absolutely no strings attached at all.
>>47631197
They're beautiful the same way volcanos are.
>>47631200
>you need to invest in diplomacy
Oh no
>>47631174
Hell knight isn't a BAD dip, especially for flavor. I'd put it in the middle somewhere? As far as martial options go.
>>47631197
>Bloof
>>47630607
Sorry to bother, but anyone? I've never done an animal companion build before.
>>47631318
just stick with either the collar or enlarge person (assuming you have something to make enlarge person function on your companion even though it's not humanoid). Multiple size increases don't stack with eachother. Look instead for 'counts as one size larger' to stack with a real size increase.
>>47631366
So Strong Jaw.
The way shared spells works would allow Enlarge, or possibly polymorph and similar spells. I figure it would be better to make their baseline strong though so a dispel magic doesn't shut down the pain train.
>>47631034
Metapsionic mastery doesn't reduce metapsionic costs, it lets you INCREASE their power point cost to ignore the psionic focus cost.
>>47631458
I meant the Gambler class feature, not the Feat.
>>47631226
Yeah, but nobody would fuck a volcano.
Except Dave Chapelle.
>>47631062
The Hellknights don't give a shit about enslaving creatures, faustian bargains, or contractual technicalities. Their names comes from the fact they seek to emulate the most powerful, disciplined, and organized army in the multiverse, the legions of Hell. By beating a Devil in single combat, an applicant is proving they're powerful enough to stand with or against the legions of Hell.
Welp. My Bard finally did it.
He survived seducing a CR 12 Evil Outsider. Now I guess I can add "half-fiend" to the list of potential bastard children he has.
Can't wait until he dies, and his noble title gets embroiled in a succession dispute between several aasimars/tieflings, a changeling, a fetchling, a half-fiend, and gods only know how many humans, half-elves, and half-orcs.
>>47631476
And Chuck Norris.That's right, I'm fucking bringing it back.
>>47630207
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/a-b/blood-reservoir-of-physical-prowess
>>47631737
booooooo
>>47631197
We need more Qlippoth tieflings.
>player wants to make a hellknight who lost their lady love prior to initating
>designing him an erinyes waifuthat's actually his dead lover ascended in Hell into the horrible monster
Am I being a dick?
>>47632524
Descended into hell?
>>47632524
Yes, but in a good way.
>>47632524
That actually sounds pretty rad, and not too dickish if she remembers him, possibly still carrying a torch for the guy... as long as he proves himself.
>>47632566
She will, but she might be off putting in this incarnation. It's still an Erinyes at heart. She was a lot more gentle in life, which is what spurred him to go all Judge Dredd (and switch to Lawful Neutral
Alright, /pfg/, I want to build the hunter from bloodborne
He needs to be animu 2 fast 4 u and proficient with a wide array of slashing weapons and firearms which he uses in tandem.
>>47632643
Something Something Privateer Something Something Mithral Current
>>47632643
1pp or 3pp?
>>47632723
3pp
>>47632643
Fool's Errand, PoW.
What's the largest playable character race? Wanting to make a super big fat ninja for the comedic contrast.
>>47633061
You could see if your DM would let you make a Trox.
>>47633061
Minotaur I think.
>>47633061
Half giant
>>47633082
>>47633085
I think our DM is only letting us use Paizo material.
>>47633120
Do you not know any DSP stuff or just the new stuff?
>>47633141
Any DSP stuff, also same thing as
>>47633133
>>47633133
I mean, minotaurs are paizo. So are trox. Theyre just obscure as PC races. Ifrit can get Enlarge Person as an SLA
Honestly theres not too many large races. Paizo mostly strokes their boner with midgets instead.
>>47633184
Then you're fucked, sorry.
>>47633203
I think Dwarves would also work for the cognitive dissonance they're after.
Nobody expects the fatass dwarf to be able to run across water.
>>47633061
Yeti maybe? They get a racial bonus to stealth too. But not sasquatch, those are only medium.
>>47633218
fugg
Alright, so. I wanna play an Orang-Pendak and I'm planning on needing as little gear as possible.
Should I just go Ape Shaman Druid?
So /pfg/
Gimmie some advice here.
So I'm playing a Blaster Armorist Gestalt Hedgewitch.
Then last session, the primordial god of wind shows up, eats the host's food, puts on a lightshow, and makes us all Soulknife TRIstalts.
He's said he'd let the Aug Blade stack with my cannon, and from a mechanical perspective it does help. I even get back the arsenal trick I spent on heavy armor proficiency.
But how the fuck am I supposed to deal with all this stuff? Destruction blasts via cannon, charlatanism, whatever my other tradition was/ends up being, my actual magic, blade skills, weapon enhancements,
I'm somewhat overwhelmed. Any advice?
>>47625558
Alright, so my party is currently about to fight a Treant. We just finished a CRwhatever encounter with 20 level 10 NPCs and so we're a bit exhausted in terms of spells and HP, but I think I've got this fight handled because I'm a wizard and I have grease.
However the DM has said "the creature needs to move through the whole area of grease instead of just touching a square of it in order for the spell to affect it because it has enough stable ground that it's able to keep its balance while moving through the area".
Naturally, I think this is a load of shit, but allowing it would also make combat trivial considering a treant's reflex and low balance, plus DM fiat.
Is there any way I can argue against him? Because otherwise I have literally no way to deal with this thing (I prepped the wrong spells, used a bunch of my good spells, and my inventory of scrolls is zero because of some previous shenanigans).
Is there any good arguments I can use in my favor here? Or is my party just gonna get trampled by this Gargantuan motherfucker?
Also, we're playing 3.5. Not my idea, but it's the party not the system that makes fun things fun.
>>47633743
A grease spell covers a solid surface with a layer of slippery grease. Any creature in the area when the spell is cast must make a successful Reflex save or fall. This save is repeated on your turn each round that the creature remains within the area. A creature can walk within or through the area of grease at half normal speed with a DC 10 Balance check. Failure means it can’t move that round (and must then make a Reflex save or fall), while failure by 5 or more means it falls (see the Balance skill for details).
>>47633743
As far as the rules for Grease go the GM is probably in the wrong, but its a fucking 1st level spell man
I'm not surprised he doesn't want the fight to end just because a giant tree tripped over a puddle of butter
>>47633743
Eh, just let it be and go retreat. They're slow, right?
>friend claims there are no good low-magic systems
>keeps trying to figure out ways to do low-magic in pathfinder
>insists that things like spellblight would be totally rad ways to make spellcasting not be as overwhelming
>never actually defines how "low magic" they want
At least they know about stuff like automatic bonus progression or just refluffing some items to not be magical, but this is still stupid as fuck.
>>47634440
Point him at Spheres. It can do low-magic just fine. Certainly better than vancian shite can.
>>47634440
Warhammer Fantasy 2e is pretty good for low magic.
>>47634440
Burning Wheel
>>47625558
I'm real new to D&D. Only played like 5 sessions, but I've picked it up relatively quickly.
My character recently died (got crit 4 times in a row and I low rolled Channel Energy (they were Undead) and missed lethal by 1 point), so I have to create a new one.
I had a lot of fun with him. Dwarf, Tank, Paladin. Very righteous and in your face.
But I'm thinking of 180'ing and going evil. Some of my party are evil-doers, but they're really weak willed with it...Like "Oh, I'll just heal this guy...he might help us later, WHO KNOWS I SWEAR I'M EVIL".
I want to show them real evil. Some sort of Snake Shaman/Druid or something like that. Keep a Snake concealed in my clothing, evil, twisted Magic. Give me Evil, Devilish ideas for characters.
>>47633743
Point out none of that shit is in the text for the spell, they just pulled it out of their ass. The treant is in the targeted area, so the treant makes a save. Period.
>>47634721
>Keep a Snake concealed in my clothing
Another one ?
>>47633061
>Not all aasimar are descended from humans
>Aasimars can be born of any intelligent race
>Non-human aasimars have the same statistics as human aasimars with the exception of size
Rune Giants are intelligent and gargantuan.
>>47634796
hehehe
One that can bite, anon. Not spear.
>>47634721
Do an Aasimar (Lost Promise) Antipaladin (Tyrant). No justice. No mercy. Only you.
>>47634868
Ohh an interesting premise...that is pretty demonic.
>>47634868
Got any other ideas?
Maybe something a bit more nimble than a Knight type of fighter? Something Rogue'ish?
So Ive been thinking about something related to feats and was wondering if its even been done. I really like feat trees, they work extremely well in video games, giving you power and customization options as you level. And I was wondering if there is a third party book that does it for D&D feats?
I was also wondering if giving martials access to new feat trees every time they gain a feat, while the tree levels with them, automatically giving them higher level feats, would be an interesting thing to do?
Of course it doesnt need to be mentioned that my campaigns automatically include everything DSP.
Ok, since my group cancelled today's game, again, I got really bored and made this.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1oPUw3v6edhxF0Fs1Vmo78MgA6LRAEode3L2Vd4rnvsQ
>>47635048
You can build Antipaladin full DEX.
I once did in one of my games.
Here's my character sheet from there:
http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=751860
>>47635198
Whoa, didn't even know this was possible...hmm I like it. I like it a lot.
>>47634367
We need to gather the loot (trinkets for a quest reward) from the area and we traveled through some tough monsters to even get to the location. If we retreated, we would have killed 20 people for nothing; the party likes to think that we're somewhat good aligned so slaughtering people and leaving without reason isn't an option.
Right now my best option seems to be to throw summoned monsters at it until it drops.
>>47631969
This.
We barely even know what they would look like besides the ONE illustration they have.
Please Paizo, give us a gross loking Qlippoth Tiefling waifu in a campaign, or at least anything for them.
>>47634721
Being evil is being smart, not being stupid. Massacring and slaughtering for no purpose is stupid. Saving a life is a potential ally, or informant beneficial to your reign of terror.
Kill to send a message, and if nothing greater can be gained from them. But don't just kill without meaning.
>>47634721
Qlippoth Tiefling magic user that actively summons as much Qlippoth to the world as possible; his biggest dream to swallow the Material Plane into the bottom section of the Abyss and to rise up and become a Qlippoth Lord.
>>47635494
Yeah, but they never know the difference.
It's hard to explain. It's like they want to call themselves Evil because either the class demands it or so they can be edgy. They aren't Evil because they are Evil and their good hearted nature shows sometimes when it's simply not necessary.
>>47635580
>so they can be edgy
find a new group
>>47635198
>>47635318
Here's a nifty one for you.
Ascetic Style (Or one of the following ones) lets you apply unarmed things to Monk weapons.
Crusader's Fist lets you use a Touch of Corruption on an unarmed attack as a swift action, with the decision made AFTER you've hit or not (And thus confirmed a crit or not).
The stamina trick for Crusader's Fist lets you choose, upon CONFIRMING a critical hit, to spend 5 stamina to allow the Touch of Corruption damage to be multiplied.
So not only can you apply ToC to an attack ONLY if you know you hit, but you can choose to multiply it on a crit ONLY if you know you crit, AND get the better crit multiplier or range of something like a Cestus or an Axe-Knuckle.
I want to give my dandy Psychic a Heirloom Weapon trait (he's not going to use it much though, maybe in extremely rare situation)
What kind of weapon is best to have as a symbol of status and wealth? Rapier? Swordcane? Longsword?
>>47635995
My vote goes to Swordcane.
I'm currently trying to work out a Psychic myself (specifically a Psychic Duelist).
What level 1 spells are you digging? There are so many options, I'm having a hard time settling on 4.
>>47634721
Evil is about how far you're willing to go, and how much you give a fuck about those you don't actually care about personally.
Don't be stupid-evil. Too many people are stupid-evil because they're too pussy or edgelord to be proper evil.
Idiots always forget that Evil can love. Evil has lines they refuse to cross. Evil has things they view as heinous and unacceptable. Evil has friends. Evil has hobbies.
The difference is that when someone fucks with people you care about, you're willing to cause a bit more shit to get back at them. Not "whether or not you call the cops", that's a matter of lawful/chaotic, and Lawful Evil would bring the fucking BOOK down on the asshole that pissed them off.
Evil is about how far you'll go. Evil looks at that jackass who owns the farm over there and you know what? Your best friend wants to build a house there for his children, because way back in the day that was his home (hey he's an elf, you know how it goes) and, well, that asshole farmer wouldn't even take your deal? You gave him a good offer too. He's not important, but your buddy is. So fuck him.
That sonofabitch who touched your little girl? Fuck him. In fact, you know a treant who's up for it.
Those chucklefucks who won't tell you where the fuck the macguffin is? It's "too dangerous" if what, if they delay you until the motherfucking lich gets it to end the world? You know what? you pieces of shit don't fucking NEED your fucking legs.
Be willing to take things into your own hands. Be willing to do what it takes, not stop and look confused like an idiot when you can't get things done because someone else doesn't want you to.
I am stuck between three concepts for my next game.
I have been thinking of building a Demagogue Bard with the Nameless One feat (the one that escues your identity and creates a named persona) and being called 'The Songbird'.Before donning the mask he was a petty beggar who sang upon a street corner who was noticed by a wealthy patron. He was raised up to his court. He spent his days scrabbling to climb higher until a moment of realization occurred where he grew disgusted with who he was and had become. This occurred when he was with his master who ended up beating a beggar for touching him, due to being deemed worthless. Then decided to disassociate himself and instead work to unravel the nobility from a position of public power.
The other concept is a counterspelling expert School Savant Abjuration Arcanist using nameless one to be called "The Leech".Has a similar story to The Songbird except was born to a noble father. Spent his days in luxury and went out to the city to seek adventure. Beat poor individuals because he knew he could get away with it, at his place of learning he abused those beneath him. This continued until his brother left the family after a confrontation with their father over the treatment of the poor. Later when he had completed his education he went after his brother, and found him a revolutionary. Pleading with him to return home his brother refused, disgusted with him. Caught between his brother and his father tensions rose, his father angry at him for going to see his brother and his brother disgusted with who he was. It came to a head with his mother's death, and his father's imprisonment of his brother upon his return to attend the funeral. He attempting to free his brother, and in the daring escape his brother was shot with an arrow. Days later his brother died of infection. He donned the mask not long after.
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hey, im trying to find this wondrous item/weapon. I am not sure what source it is from. I think it is a new one or one that is coming up. All I remember was that it was a crossbow. It had the special ability where you fired one magic bolt, then another and basically crate a zip line where you hold on to the crossbow. Any help would be very much appreciated.
>>47636173
The final is a Gluttony Rune Mage Primalist Wizard using namless one to be called "Grandfather".He is different from the others and instead seeks a route to immortality. His body is slowly dying, but he has outlived his wife and children. Their deaths were not at the hands of anyone he could seek revenge again, merely deaths. In his fear of his own death he has grown radical and enraged. The grim reaper's hand seem constant and now he must take drastic measures.
As well I could not find the Arcane Anthology in the trove, but need to look at the feats that accompany Nameless One. I know there were several.
>>47636189
http://www.archivesofnethys.com/MagicWeaponsDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Cornerstone%20Crossbow
>>47636193
i like this one better
>>47636062
Silent Image
Remove Fear
Heighten Awareness
Ill Omen
I'm actually building a Psychic Duelist too, but I'm starting at level 7, which mean I can already use Shadow Enchantment to emulate many of the level 1 and 2 spells.
>>47636062
Oh and for higher level spell, Swarm of Fangs (or any summon spell, really) should be great. It allows you to weaken your enemy while you trap them in Psychic Duel.
Post yfw paizo finally releases a vigilante archetype that removes dual identity and turns the class into "basically what we should have done to fighter in the first place"
>>47636276
AH FUCK YEAH, thanks man.
Now here is the better question. Which combination of stuff makes me a better Spiderman?
http://www.archivesofnethys.com/MagicWeaponsDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Cornerstone%20Crossbow
or
http://www.archivesofnethys.com/MagicWondrousDisplay.aspx?FinalName=Caver%27s%20Bolt
+
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/rings/wrist-launcher-heavy
>>47636408
Probably Caver Bolt.
>>47636337
Oh that is a great combo. I don't think summons work into my character's flavour, unfortunately.
Those first level spells also seem to scale really well. I'll just pick up Sleep instead of one for now and retrain it later (although I am really drawn to Burst of Adrenaline).
>>47636451
>>47636408
Fuck now I can literally be batman and just shoot straight in the air be like woosh or if I get two of them go from point a to point b. The problem comes from reloading I think. So fire right wrist, pull to wall. Not all the way so it does not stop emitting the force chain. Fire second wrist launcher. Once it hits a wall, full retract first bolt and retrieve and start pulling into second bolt. Hang a bit, reload first bolt, rinse repeat? These are wrist launchers so my hands should be free for reloading.
>>47636491
If you're starting at lower level, Sleep or Color Spray is always a good pick. You can start swapping spell for free at level 4, which is about the right level where these spell start falling off anyway.
Also Page of Spell Knowledge for level 1 spell is only 1000gp, so it not that expensive to get a few more spell as you level up.
Depending on your Discipline, you might be able to do some more interesting combo. Like Rebrith Discipline for Acid Pit, and just Psychic duel them while they're in the acid pit.
Where is an actually decent place to recruit players for text-only games? Using Roll20 itself is folly from my experience.
>>47636859
>text-only
why?
>>47636193
>>47636173
So any other thoughts?
>>47636859
Gamefinder threads? I'd be up for a text-only game.
>>47636922
I don't want to hear your faggot voice put on pretend accents and play vaporwave over the mic while i'm narrating.
No but seriously, I prefer text. Tends to keep the tone serious and allow people to immerse themselves more.
>>47636922
Cuz some people prefer text only?
>>47636922
Because it's better that way most of the time.
Doubly so if people are playing female characters...
Triply so if they're the kind to chat; less tangenting with text.
>>47636982
Nothing is worse than people making jokey jokes in the middle of a serious moment, or someone bringing their laptop to the table and playing WoW while you run your game.
Coincidentally, I don't run face to face games anymore.
So I knew that shadowcraft weapon is shit.
But what happen when I make them into ranged weapon? There is no reloading time right? Can transform it into Pistol Dagger? It is a ranged weapon isn't it?
>>47636982
A few exceptions to those rules, if you have new players or can trust everybody to not derail it. Unfortunately my group will only meet the first condition although thankfully it seems all female characters are going to be played by women.
>>47636402
Link?
>>47636966
All of my experiences with gamefinder threads were DMs choking and flaky players who disappear even if everything goes well. Even worse if you veto something, or say, ask them not to bring up controversial topics in the middle of a game.
>>47636859
Most people don't like text only games because it takes forever, including me. Most peoples typing speeds are extremely shit from my experience, especially when they are playing a character that doesn't speak like they do.
>>47637054
Ranged shadowcraft weapons pretty much just have http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/magic-weapons/magic-weapon-special-abilities/shadowshooting taped on. And it's classed as both weapons, so sure.
>>47637283
Hate to say it but that's not my problem. I have a small stable of other players, too, but its not enough to fill out a group to an appreciable size so that is why i'm asking.
Is there any way to duplicate the Demagogue's incite violence ability with another class? I would prefer not to magically compel people to riot.
Also it seems I have to first fascinate before I begin inciting a riot, meaning the rioting may take longer and requires me to use Su abilities regardless. Seems far more like mind control than simple persuasion. Incite Violence is Ex, but Fascinate is Su, so I am unsure.
> level 10
> one of my party member is still sticking with "muh grimdark realism" and complain everytime I solve a problem with magic or magic item
Why any game above level 3 at all?
Another good question about Demagogues. What is a good archetype to use in combination with it.
>>47637307
What about.. technological weapon..?
>>47637495
>wants grimdark realism
>plays pathfrinder
LOL
>>47637495
Better question, why play D&D or its clones?
>>47637495
Should have played GURPS.
>>47637638
>>47637642
I knew right? I tried to get him to play Shadowrun but he won't move away from d20.
>>47637642
Its not a clone if it surpasses the original.
>>47637554
shadowshooting does indeed work with tech weaponry.
Shadow rockets
shadow lasers
shadow graviton beams
It doesn't make any sense, but there it is.
>>47637665
That would mean all editions proceeding after 2e are clonesexcept for 4e.
>>47637672
Shadowshooting creates ammunition.
Lasers and graviton beams don't use ammunition, and rocket launchers are disposable.
If someone with the restricted progression of a Path of War archetype takes Advanced Study, can they "break" their progression because they meet normal prerequisites? IE, a 5th level Hidden Blade taking Advanced Study - can they take 3rd-level maneuvers or are they still capped?
>>47637719
>not hailing 5E as the one true correct edition of D&D
The farther we get from Gygax, the closer we are to perfection.
>>47637730
They can.
>>47637785
>The farther we get from Gygax, the closer we are to perfection..... so 4e?
>>47637828
>4e
The thing with 4e is that it was actually a decent game.
The issue was that it wasn't DnD as people recognized it.
>>47637740
Everyone in this general are Paizodrones in denial who know the hybrid classes intimately and have also read half of a handbook for Spheres of Power, the harbinger beta, and the complete rules for the brutal slayer bushi stalker.
There's no one here who has any idea what a Demagogue is or how it works. You want information about Pathfinder, go to the Pathfinder Reddit. You want to know how something from DSP works, ask DSP - on GITP, not their own forums. You want to start a fight, hit up the Paizo forums.
You want to hate yourself and fantasize about katana ninjas you will never even cuddle close to as they do absolutely nothing personnel, you come here.
>>47637859
Well then. I'm sure someone on here has an idea what's going on.
>>47637859
>You want information about Pathfinder, go to the Pathfinder Reddit.
...Anon, why would you destroy innocent people like this. They've done nothing to deserve such evil.
>>47637894
What's wrong with the Pathfinder reddit?
>>47637828Someday, in the ashes of 6th Edition, after the fires began by WotC's decision to hire Paizo to design all their expansion material and to turn a blind eye to the subsequent birth of the Wizard-Sorcerer, a single-class gestalt who uses its colorful and diverse twin souls to break the action economy and who gets an aura at 3rd level that makes male fighters forcibly pregnant, we will remember the kingdom we cast aside for our kindling, and the weight of it will shatter us.
>>47637916
Nothing. It's largely unfriendly to third-party material and about half the members believe in Paizo's balance and design, but they're only half and the people there actually read the fucking books rather than circle-jerking about vaguely humanoid waifus and how bullied Jason Buhlman makes them feel. If you need information about something that's part of the 1pp, that's where you go.
I'm GM'ing my first campaign, in lieu of our normal Forever GM who's been doing (a poor job of it) for a couple of years.
I asked for character sheets, and ForeverGm's is full of red flags. Fucking arithmetic errors aside (literally what), his name is literally prefaced with the nickname "cannibal," and he's a Neutral aligned (unchained) rogue.
I-I'm scared. I want to try really hard to make it a fun game, but I feel like he's the type to be a rules lawyer fuck, while knowing very little about the actual game. For example, he doesn't seem to realize that rogues don't get martial weapon proficiency since both of his weapons are martial, and the math is wrong for both of their attack/damage rolls. attack being low (ignoring lack of proficiency), damage being high. wtf.
No real point to this post, I just need to vent. Both players have goddamn arithmetic errors.
>>47637964
I don't usually because I can read the 1pp shit on my own, plus lots of guides available.
3pp is harder to find knowledgable and honest, unbiased critiques on, so that's why I trawl here from time to time.
I don't like gitp so I've avoided it.
>>47637916
You know how drop-dead fucking retarded the Paizo forums are?
Somehow, Reddit's version is worse.
>>47638018
Everyone plays wrong. Some just more than others.
>>47638055
how
>>47637740
1. As far as I know, Geisha and Songhealer are the only two which stack with demagogue, and both are terrible. You're better off keeping Bardic Knowledge.
2. Again, not that I know of. But I the way I read it, Incite Violence doesn't actually fall under the realm of magical compulsion. You're using the Fascinate effect to draw people in, and make them focused on you, you're not controlling them, just making them susceptible to your words. Incite Violence is just saying the right things to make the people really fookin' pissed off at whoever you designate.
>>47637535
It can combine with archaeologist, buccaneer, geisha, songhealer, and voice of the wild. I can't help much more since I haven't actually read much on bards (I haven't needed to help with one) and I'm too tired to learn what I'd need to quickly.
>The basic idea is that there is a powerful fey creature in Nidal that's posing as a member of the Umbral Court; this creature feeds off of the suffering of that nation and the surrounding area. Knowledge of its very existence has put the entire guild at risk, so they struck a deal with it: they keep its secret and give it a group of loyal beguilers, and it doesn't hunt down every last beguiler who knows its secret. The beguilers that serve this creature take on some of its characteristics, including a limited wildshape-type ability that allows them to take the form of a small group of raven-like and wolf-like creatures.
Is there any chance that this is describing a creature other than a Vilderavn?
>>47638174
what about an Inquisitor Geisha?
>>47638055
Reddit isn't worse... it's got more new people, so there are more stupid and simplistic questions, but being unfamiliar with the system isn't the same as being retarded.
The Paizo forums however, are a fucking cesspool of degeneracy.
>>47638197
whats a vilderavn
>>47638170
The biggest problem I see with pathfinder reddit is that some of the dumbest and most vocal posters from the paizo boards (ex. secret wizard) post there too like it's their job.
>>47638237
Who says it isn't?
>>47638237
Its also reddit which means you're a traitor.
>>47632524
>Enriyes waifu
>Horrible monster
Something's terribly wrong with you, anon
>>47638282
wtf who doesn't use reddit
>>47637672
What about using Shadowcraft ranged weapon to get technological weapon?
Psychic get psychic battery power, so charge isn't an issue.
>>47638183
It can't stack with Archeologist, because they both alter Bardic Performance.
It can't stack with Buccaneer because they both replace Suggestion.
Voice of the Wild is actually a pretty decent sidegrade for the Bard, being able to pick up spells like Resist Energy, Life Bubble, and Lead Blades is excellent. The Animal Aspect Performance, while not great, is situationally useful (giving allies Evasion, or Dark Vision comes immediately to mind).
>>47638314
They are hyperviolent murder sadists who like to torture their opponents, especially the 'worthy' ones.
That kind of puts them in asshole territory.
Guys I'm pretty confident I could run a game of 5th edition D&D alright but I feel like I'd be a shit running Pathfinder. I have a problem with running D&D 5e though because I fucking hate playing it as a player and I don't want to put players through that.
What rules do I absolutely have to have memorized to not be a shitter GM for running a game finder game for /tg/ over voice chat?
>>47638203
I'm unfamiliar with that archetype, link?
