>brady could end his days without a ring and playing for jaguars, browns or titans with a 2-15 record
Why people defend Draft and salary cap again?
Try speaking English next time
Slow down Mr. da Silva
Just slow down
What are you trying to suggest?
>2-15
>>63834660
Do you mean any of those teams could have drafted him instead of the pats and ruined him?
Also
>2-15
BR pls
OP is saying the salary cap should not exist
Also Joe Montana didn't have salary cap and tom is still GOAT kek
>>63834689
>>63834685
Hes saying that it was possible within the laws of the universe for brady to have been drafted by either cleveland, jags or titans and who would be calling him goat then
OP is suggesting that because of the draft, Brady could have ended up on a terrible team and thus never been able to fulfill his potential.
This would be a good argument if not for the fact that Brady is not inherently better than many other top QB's and his success is down to playing in a good system as part of a good franchise that had good management.
In summary, Brady is a system babby and any decent QB would have had the same success he had if not down to draft luck.
>>63834660
As a Yankees fan I can say salary caps are enjoyed only by brain dead American drones who love to eat the crumbs of, and perform fellatio, on the rich. Idiot fans of other teams buy in to an idea to support their owners in spending less money because they just can't afford it which is complete and total bull shit. The guy who owns the Tennessee Titans owns a fucking NFL football franchise. If he was to spend another 50 million on players he would not have to live on the streets in a cardboard box. These billionaire ass holes trick morons in to thinking that everything needs to be "fair" just so they can get out of spending money they would rather keep for themselves to forget the pain of no longer being able to sustain an erection.
Fuck salary caps and fuck any asshole who thinks they are a good idea. Let the teams compete, you weak willed fucc bois.
>>63834777
He didn't say anything remotely close to that
And that would make a large assumption Brady wouldn't have had success with any of those teams
Jags and Titans were pretty good teams earlier on in the century anyway
>>63834777
There's also a dimension in which I didn't check those trips
No, no, no.
OP is suggesting that because of the draft and salary cap system, the Patriots might be forced someday to sell Brady before his peak, thus forcing Brady to play his best days on a shit team.
It would be a tragedy of the greatest kind if this were to happen and is a stunning moral argument against socialism and an ethical justification of free enterprize.
>>63834730
>implying every other team doesn't go 16-0 or 0-16 and pats get in playoffs with 1 win. They go on to beat an undefeated team before losing and ending with a final record of 2-15.
>>63834853
That would be 2-16 then
You're kinda dumb
>>63834836
You and OP are both retarded then. Brady's prime has come and gone. He's still great, but he's not getting any better.
>>63834865
>implying playoff losses count
>>63834660
Daily reminder that was exactly what happened with Archie Manning. i mean... maybe we lost the Jordan of Football.
do you niqqas not know how to read? OP is saying brady will sell his rings to finance a buy in the jags browns and titans and consolidate them into one entity to allocate their resources resulting in logistic synergies with positive outflow and market viability
>>63834660
>mfw this is the same asshurt brazilian that was defending no salary cap in soccer
arent there some tourists you could rob today or something?
ITT: Retards who can't into reading comprehension
OP is clearly see stating that because of the draft Tom Brady should be in Jacksonville, who has a lower Salary Cap than teams like Boston (bigger market)
People think Brady is showing his full power level.
Could a player just earn whatever he wants?
like i know the pats messed around with bradys contract when they signed moss but that was more of a restructuring, not really giving up money. could brady just say "fuck it, im rich as fuck anyway and ill sign for 1 mil per year so you can get me some receivers" ? or is there some minimum that certain players have to get?
I think it is useful (if not ethically ideal) to deconstruct OP in the context of the ongoing enviromental destruction in Brazil, in order to highlight the inability for the State (ie government of the highest order) to bring about desired results through abstracted planning.
The central question OP is asking is not why people defend the Economic Stadia (the regulations constructed by the NFL, our example's state, in order to supposedly bring about equality and justice) but indeed *how* the Economic Stadia is defended.
Implicit in the question is the assumption this Stadia does not work, and how this incongruity has come into existance is of utmost importance.
Read the words "end his days". The fatality evoked by them awakens us to the disaster we have blind to, in one context, the disaster of the NFL's policies towards salary caps, but also to the general disaster of politics that has brought about unstoppable sea level rise, deforestation, and water shortages that we see as the literal end of days. For failure in sport is not death, but as we expound the exageration, we look beyond mere sport to all the social structures that so often become tied up into sport (I refer here to the work of Foer).
The "End of Days", in both the metaphoric and literal sense, is tied to the indefensible Economic Stadia, a connection all the more present when we consider the histori-factual circumstance of Brazil's own Stadia economic, that is, the Brazilian State's valuing of sports venues over environmental concerns (I would add, not merely a Brazilian concern, as the debate rages on in the case of the NFL's Los Angeles stadium decision).
As we dig deeper in the polluted mud, we come to the use of the teams: Jaguars, Browns, Titans. Of all the teams possible to reference, OP uses...
[Part 1/345]
It's hard to balance the rewards outsmarting your opponents should give you. If a Swedish football club does everything right they can claim full control of the league for 10 straights years (the 2000s excluded). Malmö FF are about to do that right now. I don't think that's right, on the other hand I don't believe the forced equality should go too far the other way either. If your front office, supporters, and players does everything right, you deserve the opportunity to build a dynasty.
>>63834777
>he doesn't know that the late 90s early 00 Jags/Titans were playoff teams
>he doesn't remember that New England was meh-shit tier
>>63835131
I should also add that there are only about 5 clubs that could feasibly dominate the Swedish league, because the other clubs operate in too small markets, unlike the NFL where there are way more teams capable of creating a dynasty.
>>63835131
"I don't think the people who are the best should win the most often." Sweden in a nut shell.
>All these newfag underage redditors
what none of u realize is that the patriots were awful before Brady got there.. Even worse than those teams huehue mentioned
>>63834660
south Americans should not be allowed to talk about football
stick to flopkick m8
>>63835083
i think he did that, he took less money to help the team out, but on the other hand if one player takes less money to win, especially one of tom's caliber, other teams might pressure their big money players to take less as well, and if they dont they might smear them in the media and turn the fans against them for being "greedy" etc
>>63834981
If you can read that as comprehensible English, you probably have a severe form of dyslexia
>>63835217
Pls put a
*WIGGLE WARNING*
on that
>>63834907
Then why woul the playoff win count you moron
>>63835217
I don't understand what you mean, Swedish sports are way more rewarding to winners than American sports, and that was what I brought up. If you are the best in Sweden, and stay the best long enough to build a lead, that lead will allow you to dominate for a long time.
The spic is right and you fucking dipshits defending communism in sports are fucking pathetic.
>>63834791
This guy's right. Think about the fucking Browns and how pathetic they are. The owner of a team like the Browns does not deserve to have a team in the NFL, but guess what? The Patriots and Giants and Cowboys money goes into a big pot and gets redistributed to the owners and everybody's happy.
The only winners here are the owners. The Patriots have a well run organization, congratulations. The Pats, Steelers and Cowboys would be even better if they didn't have to share profits with the pathetic Titans and Browns organizations of the NFL.
It's a corrupt system but Americans just ignore it because >muh parity.
>>63835436
What do you think of a league system with relegation? Say 3 teams of the NFL being relegated each season, and replaced with new ones.
>>63835112
Here is your (you)
>>63835112
>Greatest Post in a Great Thread Award
>>63835315
The players union frowns on players not taking "fair market" value as well.
Look up the whole alex rodriguez red sox/boston fiasco. Arod was going to take less money to play in Boston. Players union threw a shit fit.
>>63835468
159 players +practice squad, coaches, trainers every year just get booted...sounds like a blast
>>63834791
gee, NYC can afford a better team than bumfuck missouri and we all have to deal with it.
I Iive in NYC, I have yankee ticket packages, you're a moron if you think people want to watch that in every sport.
What do you think the function of divisions is in MLB now?
God, you faggots read ayn rand once and think that's the way life is, and filter out what is fun from some other way you'd rather it be because that is the only way you can win with your pathetic fan base.
Yankee fans suck ass, bud. All the good ones were priced out from the new stadium. It's just pure elitism and cash, don't even pretend they are a good club anymore. They can't manage their talent.
>>63835112
got into some adderall or vyvanse over thanksgiving m8?
Yeah, instead of individual teams that shift in quality but are dominated by a few, we could get divisions that are dominated by one team hording the talent for decades on end and driving up prices.
>>63837038
>bullying quality posters
>>63834791
'The guy who owns the Tennessee Titans' died a couple of years ago
and just like the Lakers, the Titans are in their own heir sibling-rivalry hell
>>63839910
All right then pick any team in any sport that is doing similarly shittily and the same rules apply. These owners could spend a lot more money to put a better product on the field but either chose not to or seek to establish regulations that prevent others from doing the same.
>>63839680
The fuck are you on about, back to /a/ with your faux-sensitive reactions
>>63840205
>still bullying quality posters
>>63840163
I mostly agree with the premise of your arguments
I'm just saying that just because the Titans suck on the field right now doesn't mean it's the correct example to validate the merits of your thesis. These are very important discussions of labor and pay, and capitalist competitive advantages should never be taken lightly in a free America
>>63840555
You view this as one team versus another , that's the battle going on in the game but off the field the real fight is owners vs labor. The players should be paid as much as these rich fucks can afford. As much as idiots like to complain about "rich" athletes the real wealth and control belongs to the guy who signs that athlete's checks. This is an area where a capitalist competitive advantage is fine. I don't mind watching billionaires throw their money around in an attempt to out do each other, usually that means everybody gets paid more. I
>>63840656
look man, I don't care about any of this shit. I'm just trying to be a good Titans fan
>>63837033
You do realize that the team from "bumfuck missouri" is not owned be a moderately wealthy native of the area right? It's owned by some billionaire who has been there twice and thought it would be fun to own a sport team. Or some guy who inherited the team from his father who became so successful by exploiting unfair advantages in labor through the years. You get this, right, you fucking moron?
Please explain to me what the function of divisions in MLB is, you weirdo.
I have no idea what the fuck you're trying to say here. I don't think you understood the post you are responding to.
The Yankees have nothing to do with my original point, I just wanted to point out that I follow a team that has routinely objected to the idea of a salary cap even taking penalties (the luxury tax) to overcome a "soft" cap. I appreciate and respect that because in an arena of virtually unlimited money these guys should have to pay if they want to field the best team possible.
I'm pretty sure you're drunk.
>>63840766
This argument has literally nothing to do with the Titans, I was just using them as an example. That could have been any name. It's much easier to use baseball because the cap does not exist.
Look at the Colorado Rockies. That is a team that has been perpetually shitty for a long time. They never go out and spend a lot of money on players and just this year let one of their team's all time greats walk because they didn't want to give him a raise and a new contract.
Could the people who own this team afford to pay that player? Absolutely. In fact, paying this man more wouldn't change the day to day life of these owners at all as none of them usually dip in to their own money to run these teams. They have what we can only think of as unlimited income yet they refuse to make an investment to put a good product on the field. Owners like this try to get salary caps installed so they can gain a competitive edge without spending money they most certainly have. Not because they can't afford it but simply because they don't want to. These caps also artificially keep player's salaries down as it causes everyone to fall in to a middle range or risk crippling their team. See also; Flacco, Joe.
Salary caps are like eight steps backwards for player labor negotiations/rights and the worst thing to happen to sports.
>>63834660
Please the moment the Pats let Brady go he's going to retire out of fear of being exposed for the system baby he is if he plays for another team.
>>63840895
>>63841032
Yes, that's why in baseball a vast majority of the time the team that spends the most is going to be the ones that win. Or did the Pirates build a dynasty and the Yankees are in the dumpster for the past 80 years?
Salary Caps exist to keep a league from becoming pay to win and the only thing that keeps a stacked team from losing is incompetent coaching and management. Look at the one time the Broncos violated the cap. They fucking won two superb owls.
Fuck retards like you who want to kill the cap and create a football version of the Real Madrid in the US.
>>63841400
What the fuck do you think was preventing the Pirates from investing as much money in to their team as the Yankees did?
>>63835083
Brady did that, took a 40 miles deal over 4 or 5 years, granted he'did already got a huge contract before that and his supermodel wife makes more than any NFL player
>>63834777
>He doesn't remember that the Jaguars and Patriots were tied 14-14 at halftime on the Pat's way to 18-1
>>63834660
Man I really wish I could just watch 2 teams win every year. How fun that would be.
>>63841764
makes a good point
>>63834746
>Le Passer-Friendly rules baby is GOAT
>>63841400
>Look at the one time the Broncos violated the cap. They fucking won two superb owls.
How come the *********fags never whine about this?
>w-we're not just pats haters! it's about the integrity of the league!!
>>63834660
except the pats were dogshit before brady. they went 5-11 the season before bledsoe got injured, and their only owl appearances prior to 2001 were blowout losses to the bears and packers
>>63841910
because calling it "violating the cap" is stretching the truth
>>63841986
What? They were fine in 99, 98, 97 etc... Not amazing but hardly "dogshit".
Stop talking about shit you weren't even alive during
>>63841986
>making it to the owl and losing means a team is "dogshit"
>>63842028
>>63842049
>'98: 4th in AFCE
>'99: T4th in AFCE
>'00: 5th in AFCE
>'01: 5th in AFCE
you're right, they were great
>>63834660
>Why people defend Draft and salary cap again?
Because amerifats are hypocrites who actually love and embrace socialism
>>63835083
>or is there some minimum that certain players have to get?yes
it's all Union, with codified rules. based on a players' years played, there is a minimum. they have to pay him somewhere around 3 million as a minimum, he could technically agree to accept that and give the team more money for more undersized (but gritty!) white wide receivers
but, the Union does not like that,(and the Union serves all the NFL players, so really, they do not like it)
all contracts are based on precident, adjusted for inflation, accepting that much less screws over your fellow players in the long-term (or so they say)
>>63842098
.500 in both of those seasons, the definition of mediocre. Stop cherrypicking stats you worthless sack of shit
>>63842288
now tell me how consecutive 5-11 seasons were also perfectly respectable
>mfw high on codeine and listening to Deacon Blues by Steely Dan
>>63834746
While Montana played in an era with no salary cap, there was no free agency either where players could move from team to team. A team could keep the rights to the player and if he refused to play, he was out of football.
Also, other teams (including teams that should have even more money such as Los Angeles, Boston, Washington D.C., and New York City) during that era didn't have salary caps either so it evens out.
>>63841771
The future is NOW
>>63842215
Considering there were once days where NFL players literally earned less than auto plant workers, yeah, accepting a lower contract does hurt the overall long term. No player or NFL union official would tolerate a contract player earning less than minimum, none. A lockout would be sure to follow.
>>63843013
Montana played on some pretty stacked teams during his championship runs and his last two he played at a pitiful level with a few bright spots.
Brady in comparison, has never had too many weapons on his championship runs, except for 07, where he had a perfect regular season but lost to the Giants
Salary cap should be per position.
Your QB's combined need to be less than their cap
Your WR's combined need to be less than their cap
Yadda yadda
The draft is a crapshoot anyway, and unless they just wanted to make it random, with bad teams being favored for early picks, I don't see how to change it unless it was less about the draft, and more about agents contacting teams for recruitment.
>>63840895
Sorry i went out and had fun.
You missed every single point i made, go back and read it again you dumb fuck.
>>63848453
That's fucking terrible because then it breeds resentment for certain positions, not to mention that some positions already make less in comparison anyway, like special teams players.
>>63848503
You don't think QB's with 100 million dollar contracts don't receive any resentment from good players that got denied their salary demands?
>>63848696
For one, qbs aren't always the highest paid players on the team. Suh's is a DE but his contract is bigger than Ryan Tennehill's. And second, wecause they have free agency to look forward to
>>63842098
>'01: 5th in AFCE
>still won the owl
They truly were the GOAT dynasty.
Brady will be on the Pats till at least 2018
>>63834924
I'm a Saints fan but it's a goddamn shame there was no free agency back then, he would've left the city in a heartbeat, won a ring or two somewhere else and I wouldn't be mad
>>63835112
jesus tl;dr please
>>63842098
01 5th place?
they were the fucking second seed in the AFC
patriots haters are complete cancer
