/pol/ is fucking dumb. Patriotism is dumb. Faggots that think its their duty to preserve their race or culture are you guessed it. Fucking dumb.
Literally like joining a server, hitting auto select and dedicating your life to that team because you got randomed in it. I care about me and things that directly affect me. I don't care what happens when I'm dead.
Defend your masters with your last breath /pol/cucks.
>>28506919
Patriotism is basically just saying you like your neighbors and wanna build a great neighborhood.
It sounds nice to be able to connect to anything even if it is just a neighbor. I guess I'm willing to die for mine because I am lonely.
>>28506919
You sound brainwashed as fuck, having such an emotional reaction to basic things like patriotism is a sign of some serious social engineering.
>>28506997
Everyone likes their neighbors. We tend to like familiarity. You're conditioned to. I love Zone Tan btw
>>28506919
>patriots are just as much cucks to their governments and countries as eurocucks are to moslim immigrapists
>daily reminder if you pay taxes you are a cuck
>daily reminder if you try to protect and control "muh wimminz" you are a cuck to them
>>28506919
The alternatives are open borders or pure selfishness, none of which is better
Them vs. us is the ultimate mentality. Fuck everyone not in our country. They can go fuck themselves if they don't help our country
Refugees? nope, they're unskilled and we have plenty of those in our ghettos
Caring about other countries means you inevitably have the government hurting its own citizens for the benefit of foreignersand your views are similar to that of the biggest cucks
saged because fuck /pol/ threads on here
>>28506919
Pussy. Go back to doing degenerate living.
>>28507107
>I hate /pol/
>/pol/ bait thread
>>28507066
I don't know my neighbors I look out side and see just closed Windows and a empty street a hollow treating here and there of people who's names I don't know. I wish patriotism was more prevalent because maybe just maybe I would have a reason to go outside rather than stair at a computer screen
>>28507082
I pay taxes under the threat of violence. Not much I can do there.
>>28507161
Greeting
>gets blown out in a debate on /pol/
>butthurt and can't handle it
>decides to gripe on /r9k/ instead
Does it make you feel better?
>>28507169
doesn't make you any less of a cuck
I will be too when I start paying more than I'm getting
>>28506919
There's something kind of stupid to being indebted to something as big as a nation state when it doesn't feel any obligation towards you. I mean, look at how the US treats its vets, look at how it treats its citizens; why care deeply about something that doesn't give two shits about you?
If you're part of a community that will actually come to your rescue in your time of need, that's something worth protecting.
I would rather live next to anyone than sandniggers
>>28507097
>implying sage does anything
Us vs them? Not so much. All of US would hand you over to THEM if the alternative was detrimental to our existence
OP here. I don't browse /pol/ unless some important newsy shit happens. I know a lot of you do though and bring that shit here.
>>28507142
Stfu and post moar
>>28507161
Same here anon. I live in a state where walking practically doesn't exist so you don't even see people on the street. Feels desolate
>>28507142
Yes
take it off immediately
I'll watch to make sure no creeps show up
>>28507161
>>28507357
This isn't something people in America talk about a lot, but I think it's the root of a lot of our social issues. That kind of isolation runs deep and touches everything, and weirdly, it's just the result of using cars for transit.
>>28507216
Its not their fault (as individuals). They are thoroughly brainwashed from birth. If you were born there youd probably have a Quaran in your hand and an IED in your ass
>>28507385
OP again, Its very isolating. I'm sure there are parts of the country where its different, but here its all a system. I don't have anywhere to go when outside. Everything is either, houses, businesses, or private property. Parks and stores (bring money!) Are the only places you run into people who don't want to talk to you.
>>28507196
>debate on /pol/
Thanks for the laugh, you pathetic cuck.
>>28507017
I think you mean the opposite man. Having a strong emotional reaction due to the colors of a flag is some serious social engineering to not question who rules you. And being patriotic is cringe
>>28506997
Except that you draw a random line up to which point you consider someone a neighbour.
>>28507274
Sage doesn't bump the thread, idiot. Of course it's useless with the catalog, now when everyone is noticing all the threads, but that doesn't mean it's not working as its intended.
>Patriotism is dumb
yuropoor detected
>>28506919
Don't like walls, borders and imaginary lines? Get rid of all your doors and windows, don't live in your gated White communities and see how well it goes for you.
>>28508126
The line coincides with people who love freedom. And is drawn between them and muslim commies.
Patriotic people are so bland and predictable.
Literally the only thing of note about their lives is the chunk of land they were born on.
>>28508126
My neighbors
>educated
>intelligent
>atheist or on-paper-only christian
>happens to be white
People who live near me who I hate
>imported from wartorn countries
>follows culture that advocates killing fags
>probably doens't even believe in god but bases identity on it
>4 kids by 30
>loud and dumb
>happens to be brown
I'm not saying a race it better than another but it's a damn good indicator in most first world countries.
>>28507709
edge lord detected.
Being patriotic doesn't mean you have to blindly follow your leaders, if anything it can mean quite the opposite. Have some perspective.
>>28507576
>I-it doesn't count as a debate if I lose!
Countries are the result of generations of people's work and decisions. There is nothing random about it at all; Where you live and how you live are the result of millennia of choices. Then there's someone like you born dumb enough to not value it and shit it up a bit.
>>28508400
This guy gets it. Why does this board have so many edge lords like OP?
>parents are from Mexico
>they take me to Mexico
>people living in tiny shack houses made of thin sheets of metal
>women walks out of her tiny shack looking like a prostitute, leaving her children behind in a space smaller than most of r9k's closets
>fresh water and gas gets delivered to you by truck, no running water or gas
>most people shit in an out house
>can't go outside by myself because place is apparently a violent shithole
>an entire mountain side of people living like this
>everyone seemed to be "proud" to be Mexican
Some people are such fucking ingrates, I'm not saying America is perfect because we all know it has its issues but fuck open borders. You can take your shitty argument about being born by luck straight to fucking Mexico and stay there you ungrateful piece of shit.
>>28508400
Yeah...OTHER people's decisions. "Might as well respect them since the decisions have been made already" can't into logic
>>28508400
Actually the concept of a "nation" is only a few hundred years old. Before that we were all just peasants who paid our tithe to whatever family of nobles occupied the nearest castle at that point in time.
>>28508509
Tell that to the fucking Mexicans who got the short end of the stick. I never said anything about open borders or America.
>>28508541
>Actually the concept of a "nation" is only a few hundred years old
>>28508525
Oh... well if your ideas are so much better and smarter than anyone that has ever lived you should probably stop masturbating at your mom's house and contribute these amazing original decisions and ideas.
>>28508509
>it's stupid to be proud of being born in Mexico
>But being proud to be American makes sense
Wow. You really didn't get OPs random server analogy huh?
>>28508541
Replace "peasants" with "citizens" and "tithe" with taxes in your statement annndddd... :D
>>28508525
Yes that's what civilisation is. A continuous project every generation contributes to.You plant seeds of trees that will grow after you are dead. If you think you exist in a vacuum free of how you impact the future or those around you, you are no better than a beast going from impulse to impulse.
>>28508541
True. So what.
Do you think yourself above notions that aren't dignified enough to be timeless?
>>28508585
>you are no better than a beast going from impulse to impulse.
in reality that always lies dormant in each and every human and we must draw some lines as to acknowledge and respect these physical boundaries that surpass man-made ideology. otherwise you get shit like fascism to rise up and take the whole beast impulsive violence thing to the extreme.
>>28508541
or mercenaries
>>28508566
Again, not what I said. I'm saying running around waving around masa's flag is moronic. Dying for that flag is even dumber.
>>28508575
No dickface, I'm calling out all the ungrateful faggots. I see mostly teenagers and hippy faggots in America always bitching about how wrong patriotism is, but only when it's dealing with the US. It's okay to be patriotic to Africa, even though most niggers will ever go, its okay for Mexicans, even though most "Mexicans" in the US and their children will most likely never go back to Mexico ever but as soon as it comes to being patriotic to America, leftist pseudo intellectual faggots throw a giant hissy fit.
It's the same fucking arguments with race and heritage, every single time. Just nut up and say you don't like Americans instead of being a little bitch.
>>28508547
Who gives a fuck about them? You? Nobody fucking cares, they have their land, their laws, let them fix their own shit up instead of coming here illegally. Why is it that when people talk of open borders it's always the US opening it's borders to millions of Mexicans but it's never the US opening it's borders with Canada?
>>28508557
Typical /pol/ack. Read a fucking history book instead of posting about MUH SANDNIGGERS and reading wikipedia articles on holocaust denial.
>>28508620
Yeah that's a good point.
>>28508672
From my original post
>I care about me and things that directly affect me.
>>28508740
Do you really believe Millions of Mexicans pouring into the US wouldn't eventually catch up to you? Maybe you're a selfish piece of a shit but don't inflect that garbage on the rest of us just because "it doesn't directly affect you" yet. That's a pretty fucking retarded argument to make
>>28508585
Yeah, except I'll be dead when these trees are grown. I won't benefit from them and no one will give a shit about the trees I planted 300 years ago. Fuck the future generations. They can fend for themselves. I'll be dead anyway senpai
>>28508740
Yeah, of course. Why would I support someone elses interests? I might support the interests of people I like but not those of random people scattered on the earth. I might aswell sell everything I have and buy poor africans some goats.
>>28508804
I still don't think you comprehend what I've been saying this whole time Mr. Trump. I'll illustrate.
Roleplay
>you are a nigger on a plantation
>masa tells you your plantation is best
>you believe it is the best because that's where you were born/live/work and its familiar
>you're a patriot of your plantation and you hang the plantation's flag outside your shack
God bless Masa
The plantation is ANY country. Masa is ANY government. YOU are a nigger.
>>28508937
The human desire to belong, obey, and unify is self-evident, and you'd be retarded not to see the psychology behind why nationalism and pride occurs.
>>28508925
>Why would I support someone elses interests?
Why do straight people fight for gay right? Why do men do feminism. Fuck if I know. Its retarded
>>28508937
Ah, so you're a retarded anarchist. Let me guess, you're free unlike all those sheeple, if only they woke up, right? You do know you have to be 18+ to post here
>>28508937
>you are a nigger on a plantation
>masa tells you your plantation is best
>grow to really like the fruits that fall off for me
>you believe it is the best because that's where you were born/live/work and its familiar
>you're a patriot of your plantation and you hang the plantation's flag outside your shack
>masa starts importing foreign fruits that taste like shit and also contract fruitcancer to my fruits
>foreign fruits start spreading like weeds killing off my fruits
It also has been scientifically proven that my fruits are nutritionally better in every way and also more environment friendly. Plus they don't start conflicts in every region they're introduced.
>>28508975
Yes that's all fine and well. You're gonna get fucked and made to work anyway. No one escapes it. Doesn't mean I'm going to be doing it with a smile on my fave and a flag in my hand
>>28508975
Not that anon but do you know of any good essays or studies about this? It's been on my mind a lot lately. The closest thing I've read recently is that racism was a survival mechanism and has roots in genetics. Some people are meant to go out and mix genes and others are meant to keep their own lines strong, and the combination of both types of people actually helps preserve genetic diversity by ensuring that certain recessive traits don't die out, or something.
>>28506919
Why is it that pol and r9k go hand in hand?
>>28509001
People aren't fighting for it, they're simply ok with it. The only ones fighting are gays and feminists and cucks with saviour complexes.
people are dumb as fuck and they dont understand shit.
people aren't smart enough to see the truth ever. even in socialist societies where things are distributed more equitably people have to be fed patriotism and bullshit to keep them from ruining the good deal they have.
people are fucking useless and retarded and most of them are better off distracted. i used to be an idealist but i could care less if you idiots elect trump, you deserve your lot, im nothing but the shadow of a fart so i could care less what people think politically or what their agenda is, its not like i'm gonna pay any taxes anyways.
>>28509070
It is true racism has roots in genetics - the individual is loyal to his tribe, and by default, is rooted in him to distrust other tribes. With liberalization, civilization, and diplomacy we have managed to kind of overcome the tribe mentality, but we must never forget that we are only human and it is impossible to transcend these physical barriers with mere ideology.
>>28509037
YOURE MISSING THR POINT! Master makes his money at the end of the day and you're still a ni fee r slave cheering him on. Ready to defend the plantation with your life
>>28509139
well duh, there has to be workers, and there has to be people to pay the workers. that doesn't make it a master-slave relationship, dumb reductionist
>>28509012
Anarchy would be the most reasonable path. However, I think people are too fucking retarded for it to work. Most belong on the plantation happily licking master's boot
>>28509139
I'm not ready to defend it with my life but with my with my voice and right to vote. The whole planet is full of plantations and I'll get jewed out in every one. Why not fight for one of the best plantations to keep it one of the best?
>>28509134
>It is true racism has roots in genetics - the individual is loyal to his tribe, and by default, is rooted in him to distrust other tribes. With liberalization, civilization, and diplomacy we have managed to kind of overcome the tribe mentality, but we must never forget that we are only human and it is impossible to transcend these physical barriers with mere ideology.
No, we haven't. I live in LA, other than NY, it's the most diverse city in the nation. People from all over the world live here and where do they live when given the choice? Right next to other people who live just like them. There are areas where it's Latino only, then some where everything is written in Mandarin and Asian only. Then liquor stores and Pawn shops which is nigs only area. Even when given the choice of diversity, people naturally self segregate.
>>28509161
You're property. Some slaves have it better than others. This is true. We're the lucky ones. Could be bating flies off each other's faces right now
>>28509177
>anarchy would be the most reasonable path
Can you go be underageb& and edgy somewhere else? Thanks.
>>28509212
You're correct, but it is now a lot less violent between races than before.
>>28509223
>I don't have an actual argument so I'll call you edgy instead
>>28509161
You're still missing that anon's point. But that's okay because I still disagree with him.
It's fine to be loyal of your employer if you are proud of the work you've put in to be where you are. It's more about cheering yourself on than cheering them on. It's fine to be loyal to your alma mater if you worked extremely hard to get there. Being loyal to your country is borderline - you didn't choose it, but it has probably given you great gifts. Being loyal to your race is absolutely idiotic though: the only people who should be loyal to their race are those that feel they gain benefits from being that race. You didn't work for it, you didn't choose it, and the accomplishments of others can never undo the poor examples found within the same group. Black pride is a great example of that idiocy if you're having trouble seeing it.
>>28509177
You'd say that until Chad comes in and fucks your shit up, then you're promising the plantation owner your services for protection. You see yourself as a king, but you are the same mere peasant you detest.
>>28509212
But being Americans unites these people even if simply by obligation.
>>28509215
>edgy facebook image
Come on dude. Don't be retarded. You have to be 18 to post here.
>>28509238
You didn't have any argument.
You said X was the best without supporting that position in any way.
>>28509238
>human nature
>greed
>power
Need more arguments?
If there's not atleast some robot overlord watching over and preventing literal Hitler from playing people chess, it will end in disaster where Hitler corp fucks over everyone else.
>>28509233
>You're correct, but it is now a lot less violent between races than before.
Again, NO, it's not. The news just doesn't report it nationally anymore. Nearly all crime rates have gone up in LA, including armed robbery and rape which is funny seeing as it's nearly impossible to get a gun in LA legally. Hispanics have been throwing molotov cocktails at nigger houses, shooting them and vice versa. So many black people have left their own neighborhoods that they've been a part of for decades out of fear of Hispanics killing them and their families. It's really bad but unless it's White on Black violence, the media doesn't give a fuck.
>>28509249
That's why I said it wouldn't work. Because of people like Chad who wants to fuck my shit up. But, you know what? We have technology. No one ever factors that into the equasion. Technology, especially recent advancements have changed everything. One man can kill an army. The days of might makes right are coming to an end.
>>28509271
>But being Americans unites these people even if simply by obligation.
I can't speak for other ethnicities but I know several "Mexicans" in LA who fly the Mexican flag on their yard, cars and heart. They don't see themselves as American but get upset when you don't see them as American. They're not united
>>28509275
Edgy Google image. Doesn't make it any less true :^)
>>28509347
Flying then Mexican flag is patriotism. I made this thread talking about how dumb patriotism is. Are you agreeing with me?
>>28509248
You say it like everything is de facto equal. It's not. White countries have better living standards. White people haven't bashed their heads in over retarded reasons for decades now. White countries don't advocate rape.
The reasons for this might be completly irrelevant to race, only having to do with cultural and historical reasons. Still, statistically it's a good indicator. For me it's not about hurr durr my land/people are better, it's about your land/people are worse and I'm wary of that.
Tbh most patriots probably are "hurr durr my land/people are better" because they're equally dumb fucks.
>>28509324
Unless it's a nuke, no one man can kill an army. Besides, you'd never have access to anything that could take out a Chad Army. Those days aren't going away anytime soon
>>28509324
>it will never work
>it is the most reasonable path
No one cares if it sounds cool to you and works in your childish fantasies.
It is a shitty idea that has no real world applications and no reasonable person would advocate for it being applied to actual people.
>>28509390
If white countries and culture are so great why is Europe cuckig itself into extinction? Why is the majority of America soon going to be Hispanic? On the other hand dunecoons are reproducing and populating like wildfire.
>>28508975
Because most people have nothing to be proud of so they want something to be proud of without having to do anything at all ?
>>28509384
You said being American unites them. I told you I can't speak for the other races but I know Mexicans are united under Mexico, even though a shit ton of them are here illegally instead of being back in the country they're so proud of. There's literally nothing wrong with patriotism.
>>28506919
Tell me about the manlet! Why does he wear the Mickey Mouse mask?
>>28507454
>, but here its all a system. I don't have anywhere to go when outside. Everything is either, houses, businesses, or private property.
This is the end result of capitalism. There are no commons, and this kills socializing, political activity (in forms of free association, protesting, or just simply gathering in a public place) etc. The agora doesn't exist anymore as a concept, and this kills humanity.
This is of course absolutely intentional because now instead of for example just going out, listening to street music, and getting to know a person who's listening to it alongside you, you have to go to a corporate entity that has its own rules, has its own price, steals, processes until McDonalds levels of blandness, and repackages basic social interaction that people have always had with each other, and sells it to you at a massive markup.
>>28509443
Jews, I wish I was joking and this was just some meme.
>>28509390
The rest of my post addressed that. Whiteness has never granted a single gift to you, nor have you worked to earn your whiteness. The accomplishments of the white race has benefited all of humanity equally. Being proud of whiteness or nationality is the same as being proud that a historical figure or celebrity came from your hometown. This is all despite the fact that the living standards and violence and rape issues are absolutely not true everywhere in America or Europe or otherwise. I live in the Meth Capital so maybe my perspective is different. I absolutely hate seeing toothless meth heads waving around the american flag because I'd rather they were somewhere else entirely.
>>28509424
If there were no laws, I could get a tactical nuke fampai. That's not the point though. Tech will keep advancing
wow your all useless , go die alone in fires.
I left time to save you all, because I was born.
>>28509495
>If there were no laws, I could get a tactical nuke fampai. That's not the point though. Tech will keep advancing
You wouldn't be able to afford it. Tech could keep advancing all it wants but it's always a Chad that is the CEO or in some form or another in charge. This wouldn't change under Anarchy, you'd still be Chad's bitch but now, there's no one stopping him from treating you like a punching bag.
>>28509482
Like the other anon said. Its easy to be proud of it without actually having to accomplish anything yourself.
>>28506919
>ctrl+F "edg"
>7 results found
well done /r9k/
>>28509458
Wha...this makes a lot of sense. Then they close parks at 8, malls at 9..etc
>>28509465
Goddamnit anon
ORIGINALUCENTUUU
>>28509516
Who's stopping him now? The police? Easily hire mercenaries (there would be a booming industry for security obv)
>>28509571
And the best thing is that if you want to have basic social interaction with less restrictions again, you have to join some hippie commune or some bullshit that's so removed from normal life that you're automatically an outsider weirdo to everyone, so of course no one except actual weirdos will ever do it and it turns into a cult. (ok, it doesn't have to be a hippie commune, it can be some hipster collective, a "hacker space" or whatever the fuck all the trendy gathering places are called now - they're all trying to emulate something that was perfectly normal 10 years ago, but now it has a special name, a pricetag, a label that's put on you, working hours, etc. and it alway has some incestuous cult-like atmosphere)
It's very stupid. Race and culture don't matter. It's evolution, however, it will always change through time. Who knows, maybe whites were also a mixture of something and something ? Patriotism is like islam. You stick on something old and unchanged and preserved, and it will only make you backwarded. It will hold you back from potential greatness that technology and multiculturalism bring. It will hold you back from advancements.
>>28509768
>maybe whites were a mix
There's a reason people on the equator and southern hemisphere are darker and people closer toward the poles are whiter. It's almost a perfect gradient. If you put white people on the equator for a few hundred thousand years they would eventually select for those with darker pigmentation to protect against the sun because the lighter ones would be more likely to die from exposure. A tribe of blacks in the north would select even quicker to take greater advantage of the sun. Has nothing to do with mixing except in the modern age of mobility.
>>28509816
No one knows what happened million years ago, race/skin color-wise.
>>28509831
No, but we know how sun and pigmentation interact and the inference is clear. Unless you believe in god.
>>28509816
And IQ does not have anything to do with mixing. Even though it does, IQs can change. As a south east asian male, i have an IQ of 112. Make your children read a lot and they'll have higher IQ. Most people on /pol/ don't want to mix because they'd be disgusted to have a non pure white kids. That's fucking shallow and childish. Someone that has social life would never think like that, you'd have to be very shut in with nazi flags in your room to be like that. Which is a lot worse than having anime and videogames posters.
>>28509768
culture definitely matters, would you rather live in a Muslim society or a modern western society?
>>28509851
I believe in both. And just so you know, patriotist and supremacist in /pol/ are mostly christian too.
>>28509857
>you'd have to be very shut in with nazi flags in your room to be like that
Where are you from? I'm in America and all of the racist people I know don't consider themselves to be racist. My parents would die if I married a black person but the worst flag they'd ever hang is the confederate one and that's because "it's our history" despite our lineage being solidly northern.
>>28509866
I actually live in moderate muslim society with very modern western mindset. No i'm not feeling threatened, i'm so peaceful and free. What i meant was there's no point in preserving anything. History matters, heritage doesn't.
>>28508374
>has thought provoking rebuttal
>immediately labelled as edgy
Some things never change.
>>28509892
That's very shallow and stupid. My very conservative and religious parents would not have a problem with whoever i'm married with. Because skin color don't matter, sane people know that.
>>28509870
I should have said "unless you believe in young earth creationism" as that would absolutely fly in the face of anything having to do with such extensive natural selection.
>>28509892
>racist people I know don't consider themselves to be racist.
How fucking obvious. Even terrorists don't consider themselves to be terrorists.
>>28509913
They want their grandchildren to look like them, basically. It is extremely shallow. I know an extremely liberal and accepting woman who can't stop commenting on how beautiful all the light-skinned black women on television are. People want to be around people who look like them and it grows more intense with family matters. Glad your family is better.
>>28509924
It wasn't obvious to the person I was responding to but good point on the terrorist part.
>>28509949
I can't relate with whatever you're saying. But maybe that's just an american thing. You guys have long history of race related problems.
>>28509960
It was me you were responding to
>>28509967
That's why I asked where you were from. But do you not still see more same-race couples than mixed race ones, even if you have more? There must be a reason.
>>28509983
I think most people with nazi flags know they're racist, friend.
>>28509984
That has something to do with attractiveness preference. And i don't think they think like you
>>28509984
And i'm from indonesia
>>28506919
top kek
stay mad faggot baiter
>>28506919
i agree
If it doesn't directly affect me then fuck it. it's not like I'm going to have kids, I've already been rejected by society. I don't care what I leave behind. I'm just hanging on for the ride
>>28508126
The sea is my only border. Irish only allowed
t. Ireland
>>28506919
>momtriotic people are so dumb, I didn't even choose which vagina I came out of
>>28510454
well yeah, it would be foolish to love a mother that treated you like shit just because you came out of her cunt
shitty analogy try again
>>28506919
People feel affinity towards their race and culture for the exact same , though to a lesser degree, reason that they feel affinity towards their family.
You must be pretty stupid to be unable to work that out.
>>28508541
A lot of nation's borders fall along linguistic lines that have existed for a long time or natural geographic borders and some nations have existed for thousand+ years. So no that is not true.
>>28510496
But are the "family is EVERYTHING" people not usually the most worthless human specimen out there?
Not to mention, people who have received love and support from their families have a legitimate reason to stand by them and fight for them - they have received personal benefit. People whose families give them nothing do not love their families. It's extremely conditional. Children are the exception, and even parents will resent their children if the children don't step up later in life and give back to them. It's the very definition of selfish.
Think: an unaccomplished deadbeat from a wealthy family that always talks about how his father owns a large bank and is so incredibly successful. Is that not the worst type of person there is? That's a patriot.
Patriotism and racial pride are often a lazy exercise to distract an individual from how little they have accomplished themselves. Accomplished people love their countries because their country enabled them in some way. Accomplished people who love their race are often under the assumption that their forefathers granted them a foundation on which to stand, which is flawed because technology and innovation benefit all people equally, so everybody should love the Greeks and the whites and the Jews.
>>28506919
Patriotism is just the highest level of nested communities
family-->extended family-->friends-->acquantaces ..... -->nation
Generally communities exist between like minded geographically close people as they tend to help members reach goals and remain protected.
>>28510605
>Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.
Patriotism isn't about blindly following your state. It's about perserving your nation. There's a difference. I know you probably don't really enjoy contemplation besides what your high school taught you, and that's fine. But there's conditions to patriotism. You see no Zimbabwe patriots because Zimbabwe isn't a real nation. Being a patriot means supporting the ideals of your nation, the symbol of it, the foundations it was laid upon.
Americans are patriots not because they worship their country unconditionally, but they're loyal to the ideals that America was founded upon, that is freedom, bravery, honor.
>unaccomplished deadbeat from a wealthy family that always talks about how his father owns a large bank and is so incredibly successful
>Is that not the worst type of person there is?
>That's a patriot.
I've never met someone like that, so I can't really judge. It seems to me you're resorting to strawmen based on your own personal biases. But if we are to treat this strawman as a real person, I can give you a similar argument.
You know those anarchist burnouts who grew up in upper middle class neighborhoods, got hooked on morphine, moved to Arizona, and continuously complain about FUCKING A WHITE MALE? That's pretty bad too I would think. That's an antipatriot.
Patriotism is stupid. It's having pride in something you had no part in and had nothing to do with.
The thing you had no part in is your parents fucking and giving birth within certain imaginary lines in the land.
Shitty outdated concept and humans in general would be better off without this reptilian-brain territorial bullshit.
>>28510850
>Patriotism is stupid. It's having pride in something you had no part in and had nothing to do with.
How come you have no part in or anything to do with with your nation, people, country, or state though? Isn't that a rather odd predicament for a human being to end up in?
>>28510850
Patriotism isn't pride. It's love.
>imaginary lines in the land
There are nations that don't care about state borders. Ireland is one, lots of Northern Irish want to be free, Scotland is another, Jews are everywhere but still feel patriotic for the Jewish nation, the Rhodesian diaspora caused a pretty widely spread patriotic feeling, in Africa nations and countries barely align, etc.
>>28510870
Because you had no choice in the matter. The roulette of life just pops you out and you're an American. Or Saudi Arabian. Or Irish. etc etc.
It's a shitty assumption to assume that people should be "proud" and have it as a significant part of their identity simply because of that.
>>28510896
>Patriotism isn't pride. It's love.
So are people who love France patriots?
Are you suggesting that patriotism doesn't matter which country you come from, so long as you love another? I feel most people would not come to that definition.
>>28510954
Term "xenopatriotism" exists, anon.
>>28510954
>love another
No. That's not what patriotism means.
Patriotism is love for your country. I have no clue where you got "love another = patriotism" from.
>>28510915
people tend to cherish the cultures they are born into. This is human nature. As a result they wish to protect these cultures and progress them appropriately.
How have you let marxism rot your brain so thoroughly?
>>28510850
>Patriotism is stupid. It's having pride in something you had no part in and had nothing to do with.
so you're not glad that there are millions of people willing to utterly dedicate themselves to saving your ass from nazis, commies, terries and any other invader
you cried when someone griefed the shitty building you made in minecraft but in the real world it is very easy to kill you or wreck a lifetime of work and people do it without a second thought, the world is not a nice place
it is generally accepted that criticizing corrupt politicians is patriotic, that sometimes it is patriotic to be anti-war, doesn't make sense to attack patriotism in particular
>>28511084
>so you're not glad that there are millions of people willing to utterly dedicate themselves to saving your ass from nazis, commies, terries and any other invader
None of those have been any sort of threat to me in my lifetime. They're more useful in pushing agendas and military commercials than anything else these days.
If you're stupid enough to throw your life away for the military, go ahead. You just won't get my praise.
>>28511266
I "threw my life away" for the military for five years, guess what retard? I am still alive, in good health and have a fuck ton of lifetime benefits.
Do you know how many people actually get seriously injured or die in the military? Like less than 10% in the last two wars (OIF and OEF). So while youre being a bitter edgelord crying about the defense industry and brainwashing, I am in a much better position in life because of it for only giving up a few years of my life and putting up with a little bit of bullshit.
qq more fag.
>>28508166
>there's no such thing as nationalism in Europe
Topkek amerifag
>>28506919
Who wants to bet that OP isnt white?
>>28511344
>I "threw my life away" for the military for five years, guess what retard? I am still alive, in good health and have a fuck ton of lifetime benefits.
Oh, okay. So pretty much what any first world country other than the US would offer nearly if not all of their citizens. Gotcha. And all it took was five years of military service!
You know what would put you in a better position right now? Being born in a country that didn't require 5 years in the international kill squad to have accessible health care, higher education, sick/vacation/maternity leave time, etc. Assuming they even throw you that many crumbs.
America is a total shithole. It doesn't need defending, it needs a fucking upheaval.
>>28508541
You're thinking of nationalism, not nations
Nations have existed for thousands of years
>>28510789
>what highschool taught you
That's usually a good go-to insult but high school worked exceptionally hard to turn me into a patriot. Your high school was different? The indoctrination thing is a big deal and so you should have chosen something different. Maybe "liberal arts college".
Your definition of patriotism is fantastic. Unfortunately, it's not exactly a working definition of a real life self-proclaimed patriot: how many flag-wavers are terrified of outsiders to the point of wanting to ban them entirely? That's not freedom, not bravery, not honor. In terms of textbook definitions you are absolutely correct and it's okay to cheer for the foundations of your country, but to be proud of those foundations long after they have eroded? Strange thing.
If anything, your strawman persona is a true strawman. Mine felt proud to come from lineage of achievers despite achieving nothing at all, a trait of a "stereotypical patriot". Yours should have at least complained about the lack of support or resources, the support and resources that put his family in an upper middle class neighborhood to begin with. I've met that type of person and they are indeed awful. Your points could have been so much better with some thought. I'd agree with some changes.
>>28509161
That IS slavery, you fucking moron.
>>28511417
He said that when he implied he was on a shitty team
>>28509831
Whe have a pretty fucking decent body of evidence, anon. Are you a braindead christfag or something? Love how morons have no problen with understanding the evolutionary history of other animals but when it comes to the human ape it's all "we just don't know", which is pretty fucking arrogant, because you are making a positive claim and projecting it as extended general knowledgeable. How about you shut the fuck up and follow the science and get over your socio-religious bullshit worldview?
>>28510789
>but they're loyal to the ideals that America was founded upon, that is freedom, bravery, honor.
So they're ignorant fools with little to no study in the history of the nation they love? That's even worse.
>>28509161
There does not have to be a business owner. Workers can put together their capital to start their own industries. Without someone controlling them, they can work for their own interests. With an owner some level of slavery happens. Nowadays it is like this: the master pays their slaves a wage, and the slaves produce more than their wage. The master then usues the surplus value to set up barriers to entry to make it hard for the workers to have worker controlled industry.
>>28511671
Are you American? Don't forget that non-protestant countries are not nearly as hung up about the tenuous assumption that 7 days = 7 days and "the lineage of Noah says it all". Protestants are relatively fucked up. Jews and Catholics, however, have made great strides in evolutionary science.
>>28510992
>marxism
Is an ECONOMIC political philosophy, you fucking stupid /pol/tard. Piss off back to your cancerous containment board.
>>28511344
And how many people have your army slaughtered in that time, oh big brave solider with modern weaponry fighting tribal sandniggers living in the fucking scrub? You're subhuman scum who would be imprisoned in society for committing the same acts, but because it was against "the bad guys" gou think you deserve an ounch of fucking respect for your barbaric tribalism? You're no worse than a member of a militant group in a wartorn region of Africa, they have the same patriotism.
Americans are fucking cancer.
>>28511802
Coming from someone who either lives in a country with an insanely empirical past or were complete cucks throughout history that can only enjoy relative peace because of US or EU intervention.
Miss me with the anti-American semantics. Countries like Britain and France had empires that spanned across the fucking world, yet go and cry about the brutal, imperialistic American brutes who "police the world". Lots of countries tried very hard and succeeded for awhile in obtaining an empire that was as expansive if not much more than America, but the difference is they all crumbled in the end and went crawling back to their designated home land to go lick their wounds and accept their country the size of one American state.
I never asked for you respect dip shit. I don't give a shit what you do or think TBQH, you're an insignificant ant in the grand scheme of things, but please continue to bitch and moan about teh evul 'murican defense industry and how above all of it you are.
>>28507082
>>28507169
>muh taxation is theft
If there were no taxes, all government spending would result in inflation
>>28506919
Amen.
Pol shit is for marginalized losers.
Get lives.
>>28506919
I never understood the whole "if you belong to a group you must be loyal to it" even if you were simply born into it and had no say in choosing to belong to it.
I mean if it's fucking shit, it's fucking shit and you should not be glad to stand for it.
Reminder: your race and your nationality are not accomplishments.
Stop wasting your time with this prison-tier hillbilly shit.
>>28507169
>muh roads
>original
>origami
>oregon
>>28511923
Even the most liberal of Americans are extremely aware of the brutal past of the British and French empires. That's exactly why people are hesitant to let America do the same in this modern age. If America is going to spend money to intervene, why not put that money directly into the hands of the people who need it? If they can't survive after that, they shouldn't need it. If they want to use the money to contract American forces, they should. But if they want to build themselves up, they should have that choice. Don't think that America doles out favors for nothing. We hold the cards, we call the shots. It's not always helpful.
>>28511958
>If govt can't fuck you over one way they will do it another way
what is non fiat currency?
what is being allowed to voluntarily trade in any medium of exchange you want without needing filthy Federal Reserve Notes created out of nowhere by a private corporation (the """Fed""") that no one would use if they weren't forced to?
>>28512033
>we
Go get some air manboy. You're not doing shit but proving how detached from reality you are.
>we
Kek
>>28512044
You can't pay your property taxes in non-fiat currency my teenage friend.
>>28512044
>implying gold prices aren't unstable
ITT a bunch of guys who look like pic related wasting their lives.
Find a less brutal hobby.
>>28512044
You are allowed to barter with other people, idiot
>non fiat currency
lol goldbugs
>>28512056
American military complex holds the cards, American military complex calls the shots. Any better for you? Add substance next time.
>>28512058
>implying I'm a teenager, friend
>Implying it's ok for armed thugs to steal money from anyone on a yearly basis just because they claim that they will give them some benefits with it
>pro tip: if they are really giving such benefits why do they have to threaten you at gunpoint to get money from you?
>>28512063
I never said that but they are a lot more stable than Federal Reserve Notes
>>28512078
I don't care neckbeard.
You're like a Dallas Cowboys fan who refers to the team as 'we'.
YOU are a blowhard who doesn't even have the security clearance to know what's really going on.
>>28512108
So what's really going on? I'm from a military family and they don't care or know about the politics. Please surprise me.
>>28512108
Amen. Pol is a mental illness.
>>28512145
Idk. Or really care. It's nice out. I'm going to grab an iced coffee and take a walk in the park.
