So a wise anon from a few days ago basically brought up the idea of creating two new boards dedicated to video games: Vidya Industry and Vidya Culture.
As you know Nazi moderation isn't going to work in the long run. It'll just piss people off more and more and nothing will ever get solved. The main complaints about /v/ stem from two major issues besides the invasion of Redditors and underage b&: Feminism and SJW's infiltrating video games, and fun threads like LOL comics, Deep Sea, and Santa Hat threads. To truly clean /v/ up and make it a board just for video game discussion again, the ideas go as followed:
/vi/: Video Game Industry. This board will be dedicated to things such as GamerGate, SJW's, Video Game Journalism, Press Conferences, basically anything that portraits to video games as an industry. Think about it, many SJW and Censorship threads are asking to get invaded and spammed to death, it happens all the time on /v/. By moving these threads over to /vi/: You are no longer giving the faggots who make these threads the shitposting they so crave, because now the board it goes to will be about legit discussions about the issues.
>>384853
(Continued).
/vc/: Video Game Culture. This place would more or less be a board dedicated to video games, but slightly more off topic. So things such as LOL Comics, Deep Sea Threads, Santa Hats, Video Game Waifus and even those fun little adventure games /v/ used to play can all go here.
That way we can leave /v/ for simply talking about video games and video games only. No shitposting, no bullshit, just hanging out and talking about vidya. That means no eastern and western boards sorry. That won't fix anything at all. But the shitposting will subside from /v/ quite a bit if we were to add boards like this. /v/ in itself is too big to contain anymore: It literally has overtaken /b/ as the biggest board on 4chan now, and that simply can no longer happen because /v/ was never meant to be this massive. This split would be, in the end, beneficial to everyone. Gamergaters can talk about their stuff in /vi/, and we can have waifu and LOL comic threads in /vc/.
>>384853
Just ban "culture"
>>384876
But certain culture shit, like Deep Sea, Santa Hats, waifu threads, and even the adventure threads were all part of /v/ culture and history. The real "problems" are the SJW shit, which is why having a Video Game Industry board would remove all that shit and take it elsewhere
>>384881
Alternatively enforce Rule 1 and ban all political discussion.
Yeah, just what /v/ needs, another fucking split. This time it will solve everything
>>384944
But it'll get rid of the faggots who keep bringing up censorship and SJW's. That you know derail most threads
I also suggested deleting /vg/ and bringing generals back to /v/
>>384853
>As you know Nazi moderation isn't going to work in the long run
I debunked this shit in the last thread, you fuckface.
Board splits do fucking nothing, except removing a topic from one board and dumping it on the other. Users will just fucking use both and the status quo of shitposting and retards stays. Nazi modding is one of the only ways to fix the baords because the userbase fucking treats it like a /b/2.0. /v/ rules are pretty fucking simple, talk about fucking video games. Nazi modding is enforcing that to the fucking letter. /v/ isn't /tg/, it actually has a problem and it won't be a single mod forcing his personal views on the board
The only people who suffer from nazi modding are vidya culturefags, people who want to offtopic and shitposters. Your board split idea is just as retarded as you are
>>385011
How exactly? Do you see the mods doing their jobs on /v/? They're beyond incompetent and beyond lazy
>>384853
Actually, you could join those two into /metav/ for meta-videogames discussion. At this point, the more I think about it, the more i'm convinced this could save /v/ once and for all. I dont see any downsides to it either.
>>384955
>>385025
The biggest problem of another split is that it means another board that requires moderation from the /j/ and the mods. One of /v/'s biggest problem in itself is its traffic, which gets the better of itself since off topic threads can come and go, and even expire past page 11 while some on topic threads with a proper OP can turn into a bad thread (derailment, porn dump) while the more obvious shitposting threads (porn dump request, pony baiting by the well known sperg of /co/ and others) gets instantly deleted out of obviousness.
>>385033
That's.....not a bad idea. A meta /v/ would be perfect
>>385035
But you'd be cleaning up a lot of the garbage. /v/ wouldn't be as shitty as it currently is. Only downside of course would be console wars
You don't push the problem away just by banning them or making a new board. You make them leave by making /v/ less entertaining for the drooling masses. You have to make /v/ worthless to the idiots that respond to shitposting. You have to ban "fun" threads. You have to kill the current /v/.
>>385044
>cleaning up a lot of garbage
Wait I just remembered, don't we HAVE a board that can service that kind of garbage?
>>>/trash/ exists for such a purpose, but it's not publicly viewed in the homepage.
>>385042
We need to tell Hiro about this. I'll start gathering information and making threads about it.
>>385025
They aren't doing their job because they fucking can't. Everytime they remove something rule breaking on /v/, people go apeshit. It's userbase is fucking massive. A board split won't slow it down or change anything other than removing a single topic point. It won't clean up the board, people will just change their point of shitposting, because, the userbase still thinks the fucking board is /b/ 2.0
Nazi moding is literally the only way for them to actually enforce the rules of the board, because it actually allows them to go out of their way to remove the dissenting opinions and upset without complaints from everyone else
>>385042
>A meta /v/
You mean >>>/trash/
>>385051
Wow. I actually am hoping that senpai notices us.
But I'm not completely agreeing with another /v/ split.
>>385054
No, i really mean a meta-v. The reason people keep making meta vidya threads its because there is legitimate discussion to do. Are there anons who do it just to spite you? sure, but I guarantee you they are just a minority compared to thosr who just wabt to discuss everything surrounding video games and be left alone to do so
>>385046
That havent worked so far.
>>384853
Please, for the love of god, do this. /v/ is drowning in threads about e-celeb tools, screencaps of something a retard feminist says on twitter that turns into /pol/, and other general faggotry. I don't even mind the Deep Sea, LOL, or Santa Hat threads. Just get rid of this Gamergate vs SJW and e celeb cancer. Let them be retards on /vi/.
Other than vidya 'ethics in journalism' crap and censorship, what else is killing /v/?
I know company flame war baiting is inevitable in most cases, especially in events concerning exclusives, E3-tier shows.
>>385062
Video culture discussion belongs in the >>>/trash/ not in a new board. Board creation doesn't contain cancer, it lets it grow and then leak out. 4chan doesn't need to cater to every topic and the many years /v/ has stayed afloat, has shown that culture discussion is the root of all evil
>>385072
does /trash/ need to be advertised more? Like if someone starts a meta thread on /v/, they make a back up thread on /trash, say it on their OP as a link to the >>>/trash/ board's thread and let the discussion flow until the /j/ans kill the thread?
>>384881
>>385070
>tfw Santa hat threads are now dead
[spoiler]Is muscial dead too? Oh fucking god please tell me /v/ the musical isn't dead[/spoiler]
>>385068
GG discussion on /v/ was almost completely destroyed after a couple of months. If you think the mods have gone all-out on /v/ since then, then you're only fooling yourself.
>>385089
only because some other site was taking advantage of it and siphoning users through supershill tactics while bugging the other boards who has nothing to do with GG to join the "exodus"
>>385078
What the fuck are you on about, retard
>>385094
Using /trash/ like a sign board. Example
//OP THREAD: SHIT ABOUT META VIDEO GAME DISCUSSION. BACKUP THREAD >>>/trash/####### IF THIS /v/ THREAD DELETED.//
>>385102
You are a fucking retard
>>385084
It is. It's "off topic" and often got deleted.
>>385011
>I debunked this shit in the last thread, you fuckface.
"Nuh-uh!" isn't "debunking." /tg/ was wiped out by Nazi Modding. /pol/ was fucking deleted and all it did was make people madder.
Your solution is just "MORE MODDING! MORE!" That's not a solution. That's retardation.
Some of us want a better board, not a shitty police state.
>>385089
No, I mean the whole "make /v/ so shit the shitposters will have to go". All it did was making the actual user base keave. I havent been in /v/ for months, I only.eventually come back to check if its still bad, and it always is.
>>385129
other boards get santa threads on pretty well.
>>385127
>No Fun Allowed zone like /a/
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Here's to you obviously never using /a/
/v/'s form of 'fun' is low effort shitposting/bait and treating the board like its /b/. The rules must be enforced and all /v/'s culture must be killed
>>385054
>They aren't doing their job because they fucking can't. Everytime they remove something rule breaking on /v/, people go apeshit.
>Nazi moding is literally the only way for them to actually enforce the rules of the board, because it actually allows them to go out of their way to remove the dissenting opinions and upset without complaints from everyone else
This is why Nazi modding is fucking dumb. You're wiping out things people enjoy and pissing them off.
Santa Hat, Musical, and Deep Sea threads can go to a /vc/ where they can be cultivated, and interracial porn can be deleted.
>>385129
>/v/ the musical
>singing songs about video games
>off topic
Is this what we get when we let /a/ patrol?
>>385011
>anime
Kill yourself my man
>>385072
video gsme culture discussion is still discussion. It will keep happening because it influences the outcome of video games. The mods cant just send all of it to /thrash/ nor delete every thread because they would have to think twice before doing so. With the /metav/ board, there would be no such issue. Just picture it anon, nothing but video game threads on /v/....imagine
awful. truly.
>>385138
exactly! I mean a meta /v/ would work to, but this is what im talking about! A place where this shit can go and stay
>>385134
Thanks for making your goals clear, then. Now please fuck off to your containment board.
>>385141
I don't know. /trash/ and /pol/ can suit some of the other shit they have pretty well.
>>385129
I remember when I saw posts saying that musical and Santa threads were going to be deleted, and thought that banning things that even newfags witnessed would never be banned. I thought the mods would not go that far and ruin community and creativity.
I was wrong.
Fuck /v/, that place is pretty much dead to me. Its a shame that I have to switch between 4chan and 8gag just to discuss video games without politics, derailing, or mods banning me for dissent.
>>385134
Why "must"
You already won
>>385146
Yeah but you would still need the "v" somewhere in the name of it. just so the posters figure its still somewhat about video.games. Hell, if the board was called /vthrash/ it would serve the same purpose. As for /pol/, only some threads would be even remotely /pol/, not everyone plays video games
>>385131
You are the one going 'Nuh-uh!'
/tg/'s nazi modding was done by someone with a fucking agenda and I don't see how /pol/ being deleted has anything to do with enforcing the rules
My solution isn't more modding, nazi modding is fucking enforcing the fucking rules. No wonder /v/ is in such a horrible state, you fucking /v/ermin think the rules actually being enforced is bad.
Again, board splits won't fix anything. All it will do is move one topic to another board and the board will stay the same. All that will happen is the flavour of shitposting will change, buts its intensity and low effort will stay. Nothing will change if the userbase and the way they treat the board doesn't change
You don't want a better board were people can talk about video games, you want a board were you can talk about offtopic shit and shitpost
>>385141
There's a difference between the Games Industry and Video Game related threads though.
/v/ would be threads like
>Let's talk about this shitty boss.
>What do you think about this game?
/vi/ threads would be
>At a recent game convention x said x.
>This politician banned this game
>X company is censoring x game
And /vc/ would be
>What game should I play?
>/v/ Musical Threads
>Let's look at Brazil's video game forums
It gives everything a home and lets people actually talk about things and have fun.
/vi/ would have less bait and more discussion than modern /v/ since it would have a lot less traffic, /vc/ would be able to be comfortable without having their threads wiped. And actual shitposting can be deleted.
>>385151
Please stop complaining about boards you don't use. Your opinion means less than nothing.
>>385141
They don't even send shit to /trash/ to begin with. Like it or not, SJW and Gamergate ARE part of video game culture now.
>>385151
>/tg/'s nazi modding was done by someone with a fucking agenda
>says the person with an agenda
>>385157
>someone wants to be able to actually talk about video games on a video game board without every second post being a shitpost or low effort bait
>he has a agenda
>>385151
If you can't tell the difference between Santa hat threads/Friday night/musical threads and filename/blacked threads then you need to fuck off back to /a/ and take your moeshit generals with you
>>385011
Ideally, nazi moderation would fix /v/. IDEA LLY. But lets be real for.a second. Do you see a bunch of mods.honestly caring about /v/ the way they care about /a/? No. Making another board its a drag for EVERYONE., but at this point it kinda needs to be done.
>>385159
>Santa hat threads/Friday night/musical threads
I never said those should go faggot, I said offtopic shit and shitposting
>>385160
>ut at this point it kinda needs to be done.
Yea, because board splits have ever actually fixed anything
>>385143
Guys, lets get the ball rolling, I think we really are on to something
>>385132
/v/ is a smaller turd now than it was earlier this year. It is still a turd though.
>>385161
Okay, we're on the same level then.
Thing is, /v/ has pretty authoritarian moderators, shitting on CoD, Fallout, or Nintendo is already worth a ding dong bannu and all the threads I listed have been banned
>>385151
The problem is that you're sitting here trying to claim that you know what should be "off topic" and what shouldn't. There are a hell of a lot of things that are on-topic.
The issue is what degree of deviation from the core topic of the board constitutes "off topic." That is exactly what happened on /tg/, and that's exactly what you're asking for.
When /tg/ was under Nazimod, he would delete any thread that wasn't directly referencing something from a sourcebook. Drawthreads? Deleted. Setting threads? Deleted. Any kind of /tg/ culture was killed. And the board never recovered.
So when you demand that a board you don't like be Nazi modded, that's what you're asking for, and that's why we tell you you're a clueless retard.
You keep claiming "board splits don't work" while providing no examples. /vr/ was split off in order to give retro games a home. /vg/ was to give specific games a home. They did their jobs.
/v/'s biggest issue is traffic, because video games are a popular topic. That's never going to change. What CAN change is giving specific video game topics a home to slow it down.
You are very clearly from /a/. It's apparent from the way you talk. The rest of us do not want our board to end up like /a/.
>>385162
They do sometimes man, just ask /jp/
>>385152
Gonna screencap this. More shit like this would help
>>385167
if it were even smaller but not a turd, wouldnt you like it more??
>>385172
Pretty sure /vi/ and /vc/ has been brought up in other threads too. Check the archives
>>384853
All of this is superfluous.
/v/ just needs to grow out of their entitlement complex.
It's just unbelievable seeing people basing their entire self-identity around game companies, gaming personalities, game platforms, and their favorite genres.
You don't see this retarded shit happening with music or tv.
Gamers are a disgusting, malignant lot and to be completely blunt, a new board would simply be spreading the cancer.
GamerGate and SJW talk should be squelched completely because of /v/'s proclivity of blowing things out of proportion.
Consider that Sarkeesian only became popular because of /v/'s intervention. Their antics drummed up sympathy for her cause. Prior to /v/'s involvement she only had a couple thousand donated to her Kickstarter.
Seriously, don't let the /v/ermin have their way. They are worse than /r9k/.
>>385152
I think that, if we are going to push for a board creation, we should go for one instead of two. If we come with two board proposals it will be quickly rejected. We should try to push for meta-v and hope it cstches on.
>>385174
One anon did bring it up, but we never had a thread for it to really talk about this
>>385172
https://desustorage.org/qa/thread/372874/#q373848
>I mean there is some real garbage in /v/ but people tend to focus on minor gripes that affect only them, without actually addressing the root of the problems.
>Creating an Industry board ... and a 'culture' board for the 'fun' but tangentially related threads like filename threads, deep sea threads, steam ID, "check out this other country's video game forums,' and things like that as the /jp/ to /v/'s [would] make everyone a lot happier.
>Most of /v/'s dissent comes from the board's tremendous speed and lack of focus; threads that one group likes gets shit on or deleted in favor of another group's, which causes the whole board to be an endless fight with everybody hating and baiting everyone else, and standoffish mods constantly looking for someone to ban.
>You are never going to get away from Console Wars, though. Ever. The people who think they can be banned have no idea how the video game community has ever worked. You might as well ban people from comparing manga vs anime.
>The mods have the ability to move threads now. A topical split for /v/ (rather than an absolutely retarded regional split) that is enforced by moving threads rather than outright deletion is the best thing for the board. Otherwise you're just being unnecessarily antagonistic, which is going to feed right back into making /v/ an angry hateful board.
>/v/ needs to be chilled and soften. Not punished.
https://desustorage.org/qa/thread/375411/#q376200
https://desustorage.org/qa/thread/375742/#q376799
>Some people have a very narrow view of what videogames are. Some people don't consider discussion of anything in the industry to be video game related, or discussion of devs, or even story.
>I don't agree, but I do think a board split would make things a lot less tense. People on a /vc/ board could chill and watch AVGN or stream games with each other, and people on /vi/ could talk about the greater workings of the industry
>>385180
https://desustorage.org/qa/thread/378314/#q383142
>Why exactly would you need a nazimod, other than to get rid of things you don't like?
>Nazi modding does not work. It never has. It requires a unanimous decision on what is and what isn't allowed, and you're never going to get that.
>There are two major problems people complain about with /v/, besides generic "it's cancer" non-answers: Threads regarding feminism and race in games, and threads like Deep Sea, filename, or Santa Hats being deleted.
>The problem with feminism and race in video games is that it's a huge publicized issue within the entire industry. If you're not familiar with the industry it may seem like one person is making threads out of nowhere, but it's something that is discussed within studios and industry discussion forums everywhere. That's something that in turn affects games.
Creating an industry board, and folding those threads, video game press threads, stockholder meetings threads, etc. would remove those from /v/'s posting base. Posters who post those threads as bait would no longer get the attention they seek since the people on /vi/ would be there specifically to discuss those topics.
>Likewise, a board for slightly off-topic but fun video game threads would let those threads flourish naturally. /v/ sometimes has threads about hypothetical games that would fit right in here, while leaving /v/ for discussion of actual games.
>The mods now have the ability to move threads, too, so there's no longer a need for Nazi modding if a board exists for that topic.
>We don't need more moderation focused on killing the board. That's what we have now. We need smarter moderation that's focused on helping the board and cultivating a more positive culture.
>>385180
Having these boards, or at the very least a meta /v/ would go such a long way in the end
>>385176
>/v/ just needs to grow out of their entitlement complex.
/v/ is not one person, sadly
>Gamers are a disgusting, malignant lot and to be completely blunt, a new board would simply be spreading the cancer.
No, it would contain it. Specifically, it would contain it away of a theoretical "video games only" board.
>Seriously, don't let the /v/ermin have their way
If you're only againts this to spite /v/ you don't belong in this discussion man. We are trying to help the board.
>>385176
Anyone that uses the word "/v/ermin" is from /a/ and should be ignored or mocked.
>>385186
It already has a lot of stuff going it only feels like the logical next step.
>>385173
A smaller /v/ is a better /v/. It's better for all of 4chan as well because then there would be one less place for idiots to bounce retarded ideas and memes off of each other. Sure, you might have idiots in all fanbases, but video games in particular attract so many of them because of how popular video games are. Also, think about what kinds of people most video games are made for? That's right, kids and teenagers. Why are /b/, /v/, /tv/, and /pol/ so bad? Because the topics of those boards consistently attract a lot of people. The more people there are, the dumber they get as a whole. And splitting those same dumb people into different sections won't make 4chan better because they're all still fans of the topic of those split boards. /vg/ is NOT better than /v/ by any stretch, it's only a different flavour of stupid that some people prefer. /vr/ seemed to only make /v/ worse. 4chan is one website, you're not removing the poop by splitting boards, you're only splitting the poop into smaller portions.
Question:
If /metav/ happens, what would you like its board-tan to be
A vidya girl or a /v/-tan's 「STAND」
>>385170
No, its not hard to claim whats ontopic and offtopic. The fucking question is, is it video games? If you can answer it with yes straight away, its probably video games.
Again, /tg/ was done by someone obviously with a fucking agenda when /tg/ clearly had no problems. /v/ has problems, lots of them. The majority treat it like a fucking shitposting den. I can't see how this is so fucking hard to understand. Boards splits ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE HOW THE USERBASE FUCKING TREATS THE FUCKING BOARD. You want fucking change? Then you need to change the fucking problem and that's the fucking userbase. The userbase doesn't want to discuss vidya, they want to shitpost and offtopic. Nazi modding is setting the userbase fucking straight and making them talk about vidya. Simple. As. Fucking. That. The /tg/ and this are two different things, with different goals, type of nazi modding and reasons.
Boards splits will NOT slow /v/ down, its been split TWICE already, fucking TWICE and it has not slowed down. Even when you split it, you will still need to nazi mod /v/, because, I will repeat it fucking again, nothing will change. The only thing that will change is the shitposting flavour, but not its intensity.
>The rest of us do not want our board to end up like /a/.
You mean a board that's actually constantly on-topic, not just low effort shitposting and bait and is capable of having offtopic posting without the entire board destroying itself or the board not being nothing but offtopic?
The only people affected by nazi modding is shitposters, offtopic posters and retards
Giving vidya culture its own board is retarded, because containment boards don't contain anything, they only allow it to grow. In addition, said board will just end up spawning more GG type shit and 4chan is NOT for fucking activism. It can fuck off
>>385200
I like thr stand option just because we'd get to design a stand
Also nice dubs
>>385201
>Boards splits ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE HOW THE USERBASE FUCKING TREATS THE FUCKING BOARD
ok HOW DO YOU KNOW
AND WHY ARE WE YELLING
Holy shit, that's literally why /jp/ was created in the first place
>Then you need to change the fucking problem and that's the fucking userbase
Ohfff- please, I think we are a little old for the whole "If we are all nice to each other, the world will be a better place" shit. This is a non-solution, this is just a hand-off because you don't want things to change.
>Boards splits will NOT slow /v/ down, its been split TWICE already, fucking TWICE and it has not slowed down
This is a necesary spli though. And really, I don't see the need to realistically split the board after this one time, as you said
>is it video games? If you can answer it with yes straight away, its probably video games.
After the board split, this would be the golden rule, hell, the rule of the thumb for thread creations on /v/. Basically if it has a cover and you can play it, keep it on /v/, otherwise send it to /metav/
Either you don't see the strategic advantage of creating a new board or you don't want to see it because you're tired of all these new boards. But please, if there's something, ANYTHING that can PROACTIVELY change /v/, without miracolously spect the entire userbase to change or ask the Free-working mods to spend all of their time on /v/ and not on /a/, then we should at least consider it.
>>385201
You're completely ignoring the fact that video games are a very popular thing. Of fucking course it's got a lot of traffic, especially when the spits that happened were for "old games" and generals.
>No, its not hard to claim whats ontopic and offtopic. The fucking question is, is it video games? If you can answer it with yes straight away, its probably video games.
Are game developers video game related? Yes. Are game conventions video game related? Yes. Are, say, polls held by game devs game related? Yes. Is game censorship game related? Yes.
If you want to you can try to weasel that connection away, but it's absolutely a part of the industry and affects everything.
Conversely, if you want to Nazi mod, you could ban game soundtrack threads, game artbook threads, or image dumps since they "aren't video games."
Comparatively, /a/ should have its SadPanda threads wiped since they're posts about a western website that hosts Japanese media, and "not manga."
You're being intentionally dense to spite a board you don't like.
>>385201
And what were those splits?
>/vr/ - Old Games with a niche appeal
>/vg/ - a board for games like WoW or other communities
Meanwhile the industry has grown bigger and bigger, yet there's no other board for that stuff to go to.
>>385178
The problem is what exactly shold go on /metav/ isn't clear enough. With only one other board to go on, everybody from /v/ would check it out and the traffic-related issues would not wane at all because it'd just be some hangout spot for at least 75% of current /v/. Current /v/ would still be a blue /b/ barely-modded shithole and /metav/ would become some godawful mix of /v/ and [s4s]
With a /vc/ and /vi/, the traffic can be clearly split three ways and we wouldn't even need a /metav/ because the three boards would become good or at least tolerable boards
>>385229
Plus, the creation of these three boards has a clearly defined purpose, and each serves a good purpose, rather than just being a nebulous "containment" board
>>385212
>ok HOW DO YOU KNOW
Because /v/ is a fucking 1 post/0.7second board. Board splits won't fucking change that as the users will just use the split boards as well. Splitting a board isn't going to suddenly make a board users go 'holy shit this boards for x we should use it for that instead of shitposting'. They'll continue to shitpost in both and at hte end of the day you will still need to nazi /v/. Except, now you have a extra board. A board for culture shit, which is nothing but shitposting. The majority of the posts in it will be /b/ tier shitposting, shit that belongs in >>>/trash/ instead and >>>/pol/ shit. We don't need a board for HOLY SHIT THE SJW ARE GOING TO FUCKING KILL VIDEO GAMES FREAK THE FUCK OUT EVERYONE. It's just another pointless fucking shitposting board the mods will have to waste resources on, in addition to it growing culture that will spread all through the rest of the website shitting it up.
This ideal world you are imagining were a board split will clean up /v/ and the split board will be good doesn't exist. /v/ will be as shit as ever and the split board will descend into madness that will leak through the site
/v/ needs nazi modding to fix its userbase problem. The culture discussion can come back at a later date when the userbase that treats it like a blue /b/ is culled
>>385217
>Are game developers video game related? Yes. Are game conventions video game related? Yes. Are, say, polls held by game devs game related? Yes. Is game censorship game related? Yes.
No, none of those are fucking video games. They are related to it, but they aren't vidya. Video games is the fucking thing you play and the shit you get that comes with it, not its industry, not its creation and not fucking twitter screenshots. Those things are fucking video game culture
>>385231
Thanks for building on my post, guy. I think the addition of /vi/ and /vc/ would also be better on the mod side because they're probably overwhelmed by all this different culture, industry, and actual discussion crap. And that's even without the insane traffic.
>>385232
The thing is people WANT to discuss the industry. People WANT their stupid vidya culture. They only have one place to discuss it all in, and it's not easy on the mods to have to deal with all the shit. The mods aren't going to change how they moderate at all, and with /v/'s traffic growing larger and larger they're just going to get more and more apathetic. Move the shitposting to other boards and the problem will be much better
>>385229
The thing is Vidya industry and Vidya culture are often the same, and splitting them would also cause confusion. The board name could be "/metav/ - Video Game Industry & Culture" to keep the spirit of both boards on one.
There should just be a blue /b/ for the princesses who want to discuss arbitrarythings but get triggered by ponies and pornography
>>385240
Makes the most amount of sense to me.
>>385240
>The thing is Vidya industry and Vidya culture are often the same
Yeah, no. The differences have already been stated earlier in this thread. Industry would be shit like company practices, E3, journalism, and (god forbid, but an example nonetheless) gamergate. Culture would be the LOL threads, "if you use steam ur a pleb", comfy threads, ">he doesn't play vidya in the basement" and so on. There's some overlap, but there's enough differences to justify both boards
>>385232
>No, none of those are fucking video games. They are related to it, but they aren't vidya. Video games is the fucking thing you play and the shit you get that comes with it, not its industry, not its creation and not fucking twitter screenshots. Those things are fucking video game culture
Thank you for making my point for me. This is exactly why we need a board for the video game industry- because of myopic fuckers like you.
This is identical to banning discussion of the film industry or moviemaking. You fucking can't do it and properly discuss film, and you can't discuss video games without understanding the industry around it.
You cannot discuss art in a vacuum.
>>385232
>Because /v/ is a fucking 1 post/0.7second board
You're just changing the cause for the effect. /v/ is a sanic fast board because these meta-video game threads are created all the time. If you have this board split and use the rule of thumb you used in your last post (I'm asuming it's you since you responded to the chain) of asking if its vidya or to fuck off, /v/'s speed would decrease significatively. It's that simple.
>Splitting a board isn't going to suddenly make a board users go 'holy shit this boards for x we should use it for that instead of shitposting'
Is that why generals are banned from /v/?
>/v/ will be as shit as ever and the split board will descend into madness that will leak through the site
How? Explain to me 'How' . No, I'm serious. I need to know how a board that discusses only physical/digital copies of video games would devolve into not video games.
>>385247
Anon I understand that, but as mentioned earlier, pushing for two boards is more likely to get rejected than pushing for just one. We need to find a middle ground in which both concepts can fall into one board.
>>385232
>Except, now you have a extra board.
Oh no whatever will we do! A whole other board!
We're going to run out of internet!:(
>>385238
>Move the shitposting to other boards and the problem will be much better
No its not. Because thats a containment board and containment boards contain fucking nothing. It's even worse when its popular. All it does is giving people a place to freely shitposting about that topic, and let it grow and develop its own culture. It then leaks out and then congrats /v/ is back to the same state as before
>>385248
>>How? Explain to me 'How' . No, I'm serious. I need to know how a board that discusses only physical/digital copies of video games would devolve into not video games.
>Boards splits ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE HOW THE USERBASE FUCKING TREATS THE FUCKING BOARD
>Boards splits ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE HOW THE USERBASE FUCKING TREATS THE FUCKING BOARD
>Boards splits ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE HOW THE USERBASE FUCKING TREATS THE FUCKING BOARD
>Boards splits ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE HOW THE USERBASE FUCKING TREATS THE FUCKING BOARD
>Boards splits ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE HOW THE USERBASE FUCKING TREATS THE FUCKING BOARD
>Boards splits ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE HOW THE USERBASE FUCKING TREATS THE FUCKING BOARD
>>385249
But both boards don't fit together. They're very distinct. Requesting two boards with a clear purpose is better than requesting a single nebulous board.
Hiro seems more open to making boards than moot, who was afraid of it.
/qa/-Newfags asking for board splits
Sadly, Hiro is gullible.
>>385251
Totally, remember when /vg/ was created and then the generals leaked into /v/ and they weren't banned?
>>385251
>containment boards contain fucking nothing
>It then leaks out
>>385254
It sure got the /soc/ shit off of /b/, and generals off of /v/, and the /mlp/ off of /co/
>>385254
It sure did with /vg/.
Just sayan.
>>385248
>v/ is a sanic fast board because these meta-video game threads are created all the time
Or maybe it's because it's the 2nd most populated board. And all that GG SJW and etc shit only brought more newfags.
>>385254
And then the mods move threads where they go instead of spazzing out and deleting them. The board will even out and nobody will end up feeling persecuted or frustrated. Everything would be fine.
And posting like that doesn't make your point any stronger. It just makes you look like a spastic child.
>>385255
Tell you what, if you can convince Hiro to go for the two boards idea, go ahead. But if he goes all "I think of people who dont want that too board?" or whatever he puts it as, we should push for /metav/ as a last resort and sort it out from there.
>>385261
Ever heard the phrase "Divide and Conquer?"
Hearding two different boards with smaller populations is easier than just moderating one.
>>385261
It's the second most popular board, partially because GG and the other shit brought more newfags, so the meta threads and industry threads and culture threads are created all the time. Because it's the second most popular board
>>385258
Removing /soc/ threads sure made the users from treating it like a chatroom and their facebooks and make them return to creativity. /vg/ sure helped /v/ from circlejerking and going back to actually discussing things. /mlp/ sure as helped fucking /co/ from turning into faggotry
I seriously hope Hiro stops fucking posting on /qa/. It's nothing but retards who lack any creativity and their only solution to everything is to split boards, constantly shit on the moderation but outright refuse to accept any help from the mods.
>>385256
Did you get tired of arguing and just decide to start shitposting?
People are trying to help the board they like, and all you can say is "heh fukkin newfags." This is eerily similar to the mods on IRC, who would answer any requests for board creation with "heh fukkin newfags, if you don't know why we can't make it you're just stupid."
It's deflection, pure and simple. You can't contribute, so you just shitpost or try to sabotage efforts.
I'm tempted to call you a mod. You definitely have the same bad attitude.
>>385266
No, that's exactly how it works. Smaller boards are easier to moderate.
>>385270
No, I'm assuming they aren't, that's why having less users in a board, regardless of the hour, would cause less job to the moderating team.
>>385264
>Hearding two different boards with smaller populations is easier than just moderating one.
AHAHAHAHA
That's not how it fucking works. Holy shit, how fucking new are you. A board split won't decrease board population as people will just cross-board. It doesn't matter how much you split shit off /v/, it will always stay its sonic-fast speed. The only way to slow it down is to actually fucking kill off its users. Which is done through over moderation
4chan doesn't need to cater to everything and I'm sure people who actually care about /v/ can go a few months to a year without talking about culture topics
>>385266
Yes, you fucking cro magnon. In any case, /v/ is total shit and needs SOMETHING. I've never before advocated for "JUST SPLIT DA BOARD" as an easy solution for any problem on this site but it is, unfortunately, the only solution for /v/
>>385267
Nice strawmen, faggot. They weren't supposed to go back to being creative, /b/ is too far gone for that, but they were choking it out at the time. The /vg/ split did curb the circlejerking and bring back some semblence of actual discussion, which has been choked out by the board's growing popularity. And /co/ was destined for faggotry. Nobody complained about generals on /co/, now look what happened
>>385272
>it will always stay its sonic-fast speed
Sasuga.../v/
>>385272
>I'm sure people who actually care about /v/ can go a few months to a year without talking about culture topics
Oh my sweet summer child, it's been years, YEARS and you still think they will just get bored eventually?
>>385275
It's precisely because mods don't give a shit that the board creation is being discussed in the first place. Otherwise, we would still be stuck at "we need more mods".
>>385267
>Removing /soc/ threads sure made the users from treating it like a chatroom and their facebooks and make them return to creativity.
You don't actually "get" /b/, do you?
>/vg/ sure helped /v/ from circlejerking and going back to actually discussing things.
It moved the generals off /v/. I'm not sure you actually know what a general is either.
>/mlp/ sure as helped fucking /co/ from turning into faggotry
/mlp/ was entirely caused by Nazi modding. They had contained themselves into a general on /co/ when the mods started persecuting them, and worked everybody into a frenzy across the site. That encouraged shitposters to post more ponies to make people angry, which in turn riled up people more.
It made /co/ hostile to any kind of new MLP popping up which changed the board culture for the worst.
Tumblr coming in was a separate thing; the types of cartoons that attracted tumblr are a new thing.
>I seriously hope Hiro stops fucking posting on /qa/. It's nothing but retards who lack any creativity and their only solution to everything is to split boards,
And what is this "creative solution" you have?
>constantly shit on the moderation but outright refuse to accept any help from the mods.
Yes, people are upset about the mods having a bad attitude. They're completely out of control on many boards, and others are left to rot. Mods have a responsibility to do their jobs. They deserve no pity.
Are you the guy who shitposts in every thread about how much you hate /qa/ because you're scared of your board getting changed by people that don't use it? Yet here you are, trying to ruin any chance of people who actually use /v/ fixing it.
>>385275
>mods don't give a shit
So make their job easier, so they're more inclined to at least look like they do
>the best solution is banning /b/ shit
Now that's just plain denial, dude. Only banning things doesn't fix anything. And there'd be a huge uproar because, again, people WANT to discuss industry and culture. Best case scenario /v/ stays the same because the same shitposters just reset their routers, ony the dumb ones leave. Worst case the huge population decides to outright spam the shit and overwhelm the mods
>>385270
>Youre assuming that mods are on 24/7, and that they would actually care.
Then they don't need to be mods.
>>385280
>You don't actually "get" /b/, do you?
There is nothing to 'get' about /b/, anon. It's a random anything goes board and over time lost any form of creativity due to the influx of newfags who think like you and think there is something to 'get' and its for some certain purpose
>>385279
But a new board wouldn't change their attitude at all.
>>385280
>>385283
>>385282
>Mods have a responsibility to do their jobs.
The funny thing is, they really don't.
The mods can just do whatever they want.
Hell, there's even a rule that states this.
That's what makes 4chan the way it is.
Mods=fags didn't came from thin air.
>>385289
A new board IS a new attitude altogether. I know it's hard to think the userbase will jus accept the board and start posting all the culure and industry stuff elsewhere but you have to realize that, even when asshole, not all are cronic assholes, they just want a space to sperg out like anyone else. Let em have it
>>385289
>implying I said they had a responsibility to do it
I said make it easier for them. We can't get any guarantees on the quality of their work? Fine, limit the amount of shit on their plates from OUR end then. And /vc/-/vi/ would do exactly that
http://strawpoll.me/6297750
Then lets try and get a consensus going
>>385294
I hope one day, the people who think raidpolls are useful for anything kill themselves
>>385296
Hiro asked for strawpolls you dumb fucking nigger.
>>385298
Hiro is also a dump nigger who doesn't even know what a fucking straw poll is or that the fucking things are incredibly easy to rig
Now that we know the guy who keeps pushing for meta-/v/ has revealed that he is clearly retarded by posting a strawpoll, can we keep this discussion in the /vi/ and /vc/ topics?
>>385321
You are just as retarded as he is
>>385321
Umm...I didn't publish the straw poll
But nice to see you're desperate to win an argument without arguing. Nice touch
>>385321
Hiro asked for strawpolls.
>>385328
Meta /v/ has been argued against already in this thread. To keep trying to push it is to ignore why it's not the best idea
>>385335
Hiro is a retarded newfag. Most of the actions he took and does not take should make that clear.
>>385294
Looks like that settles it.
>>385341
it has been debated against unsuccesfully, no real reason of why it wouldn't work has been given so far. The counter arguments are "Fuck /v/" "We need more mods" and "It just wont work because it just wont work" No real reason as to why it wouldnt work has been given
>>385379
lmao, made me look. Nice edit anon ;-)
>>385294
Typical fucking Redditors raiding shit.
Look we need to fix /v/ somehow. We need some kind of place, a meta /v/ which despite the poll that was raided by Redditors that we can move alot of things like SJW drama and santa Hat threads to.
I mean what else can we do?!
>>385706
Ugh read the fake poll my mistake. Of course we can't delete shit on here figures.
The majority WANTS a meta /v/, but then how do we ensure it doesn't become a cesspool?
OK so really what do you want just a meta/v/, or do you want two boards for video industry and video culture?
>>385723
It's just one fucking guy pushing his stupid /metav/ idea. And acouple of guys pushing the /v/ split.
>>385743
Well I think the two boards would help a lot in the end I think. A meta /v/ could turn into a disaster. We need to think of the best possible options
http://strawpoll.me/6302379
Lets try this again.
>>385743
actually I can tell its me and someone else going for the meta-v, I'm not sure how many want the vidya industry and vidya culture (most likely OP and others) The thing is, at this point, it doesnt matter how many push X or Y idea, but to discuss the ramifications of each idea.
>>385764
But we need to do something, and these ideas seem the most logical. /v/ is TOO BIG right now. Spitting these topics up and forcing them onto another board would clean up /v/. But that would also mean you would have to get rid of /vg/ and /vr/ and merge them back with /v/.
>>385775
We wouldn't need to get rid of /vg/, and /vr/'s been around too long to get rid of now
>>385764
It doesn't make sense to combine industry and culture chat, though. Why would you combine things like discussing evolving business strategies and censorship on the same board as Steam ID sharing and game streaming threads?
>>385775
>But that would also mean you would have to get rid of /vg/ and /vr/ and merge them back with /v/.
Uh....why? Should we also merge /jp/ and /m/ back into /a/?
>>385775
Technically speaking, /vi/ is more urgent and has more ground to stand on its own than /vc/. I can see a lot of people sperging against /vc/ and call it reddit and what not (even if it's large enough to have a board on its own). We should strive for /vi/ being created and having vidya culture stuff tolerated there. And dismiss everything else as absolutely not vidya.
>>385762
New poll
http://strawpoll.me/6303549
>>385876
>4 boards
>>385838
OP here, you're right now that I think about it. /vc/ would cause too much of a shitstorm since people would think its literally Reddit the containment board. /vi/ is a pressing matter though. We can easily move threads like GamerGate, SJW, Censorship, journalism and the likes and move it there. Its a must have board now because it could really help clean /v/ up big time.
I still do want culture to return though. The mods then would have to allow certain shit like Santa Hat, Steam ID, and adventure games to come back onto /v/.
>>385794
Because /vg/ was a huge fucking mistake on moot's part. It took a critical part of /v/ with it when it got made, same with /vr/.
As for /m/ and /jp/, those were containment boards, /jp/ being the biggest one since it put all the Touhou fags in one place. /jp/'s only downside is that because of /int/, anything talking about Japan itself is over there
>>385912
>Because /vg/ was a huge fucking mistake on moot's part
Says you.
>>385171
That's debatable.
/a/ lost some of it's much needed elitism while /jp/ didn't have enough content to be elitist about
>>385934
Believe me, if /a/ has something to brag about is elitism.
It's like talking to a disorganized pile of bricks. That thinks it's organized, when it isn't. You're only trying to split shit. Take a huge pile of crap. Now portion it into little piles. There we are! Nice little piles of crap!
You didn't make it go away, you gave each individual piece of crap a place to cultivate. A place to grow. Journalism? If you actually believe video game "journalism" is worth any discussion at all, then your part of the problem. Industry? "Look at all the twitter posts this guy has about his views on feminism, and other things that aren't about video games!" Twitter discussion about some guy that plays video games? Yeah, why not just talk about anyone that plays video games? Because we all know talking about someone's personal life is video games.
Don't even try to pretend you aren't just giving the morons a better home on 4chan. Pointless internet drama is all you crave. And it will only attract more stupidity to the entire website.
>>385934
/jp/ was so elitist that it expelled all content that might attract undesirable posters, and then was surprised when it was left with nothing but general threads and ash.
>>385964
>Its shit because I say so
>>385968
Touhou's and monster girls keep it alive.
>>385971
Monster girls is LITERALLY one thread. Even Kancolle has managed to spill over its walls and have like 4-5 terrible threads up at a time.
>>385964
See, that's the thing with this dramatic, inspired posts. They come up looking like they're about to break into something revealing about the whole issue when all they do is resort to the "We just need nazi mods" or "The userbase has to change and then everything will be good! It will solve itself eventually or not! whatever!"
The only original thing about your post is that you try to bring the narrative to your favor by bringing up "bringing more people from outside", which is a sureway to make people start shaking on their seats. In reality, all the board split would do is leaving a clean slate video game board were only physical/digital copies of games are discussed while everything aside from that related to be video games gets to be somewhere else.
>>385987
You're basically trying to hope that people will put all their shit in the designated pile and that it'll stay there.
Except we already have /pol/, /b/, and /trash/ for what people really want, which is to complain about feminists ruining their video games 24 hours a day, and nobody uses the designated boards for it.
>>385987
You're a funny person Anon. So if i get your brilliant alegory right, both video games industry discussion and video game discussion are shit. Right? Because that's what you're saying. 'No, it's not just dem cancer culture threads that are shit, those legit actual video game threads are shit too!'
Too funny. Thanks for the laughs.
>>385962
I like /a/ but the elitism is nowhere near pre-split
>>385993
/pol/ is sneaky about it since redpilling can be applied to many things. Video games arent. Threads like "Whats the best thing to cook while playing video games?" in /ck/ would get immediately deleted, for example.
>>385998
I'd say it's still quite there Anon. Just recently their stance on the nipple mod has demonstrated it.
>>386002
If it wasn't there anymore I wouldn't still have it as my mainboard.
>>386002
Even a boards /sp/ and /v/ can wrangle up a whole lot of shitposting against the mods. The only difference with /a/ is that the mods have a soft spot for /a/ and gave up, instead of throwing range bans at the spammers like they do in other boards.
>>386008
You're ignoring the RWBY disaster where mods literally banned people for telling them to go back to /co/
>>386010
>You're ignoring the RWBY disaster where mods literally banned people for telling them to go back to /co/
Imagine if /tv/ tried to shit Star Wars off the board. Hell they DO try to shit Star Wars off the board sometimes. What happens? Bans. Many bans. Sometimes range bans.
The moderation in /a/ absolutely could have forced RWBY down the throats of /a/ if they'd actually wanted to.
>>385996
Oh look, another example of someone twisting another's words on 4chan. How unique.
It's not my fault that most people can't talk about the industry without bringing twitter, personal lives, feminism, SJWs, huge amounts of shit flinging, and general stupidity into it as well. The current /v/ is incapable of talking about it reasonably.
>>386015
That's why we need the board split. We are looking for solutions.
>>386013
>The moderation in /a/ absolutely could have forced RWBY down the throats of /a/ if they'd actually wanted to.
They tried to.
What do you think 6 consecutive ~700post threads with nothing but shitposting is?
And that's just the first day and not counting the deleted posts
>>386019
>What do you think 6 consecutive ~700post threads with nothing but shitposting is?
/a/ shitting itself to prove a point to the mods. Not even 1% of the posts in those threads were "from /co/."
>What do you think 6 consecutive ~700post threads with nothing but shitposting is?
The mods not doing their job because they feel some sort of special need to cater to /a/'s shitposting brigade.
It takes approximately one second for a mod to ban you and delete all your posts. Do you think they just "missed" some of the shitposts?
>>386019
>>386021
/a/ fought back against a rouge mod who was banning nipples at one point. Hiro got involved and said nipples and lewds were allowed, so long as genitals were not visible. Said mod makes a sticky saying fuck Hiro no nipples or lewds allowed. /a/ beats him the fuck out so badly he unstickies the threads and stops banning people for posting nipples
/a/ actually gets shit done
>>386052
ie; /a/ shitposted so hard that hiro himself came down and high and gave them what they wanted.
>>386054
No, the mod legit was going crazy with the bans. Because rules before laid down said shit like that was allowed. The mod was breaking those rules because he must have been new
>>386054
*from on high
>>385762
>http://strawpoll.me/6302379
Need more opinions. More we get the better
>>386056
A single mod said before that it was allowed. That mod then presumably found something better to do with his life and was replaced by another mod who actually enforced the rules.
/a/, unhappy with this, threw a shitfit.
>>386063
No, it was a newfag mod moot probably hired after he fired all the ones who disagreed with his actions on gamergate.
>>386065
Just wondering, what mods were let go after the GG thing? I only know the one instance where a mod and janitor (whose names I don't remember) were both canned for getting in an argument about lolicon in the IRC.
>>385983
>n reality, all the board split would do is leaving a clean slate video game board were only physical/digital copies of games are discussed while everything aside from that related to be video games gets to be somewhere else.
Yea, maybe in that imaginary ideal world for yours.
Fun fact anon, the contents of one board can affect the contents of another, even more so when they are closely related. A industry/culture board is going to be a big heaping pile of shit. The reason for this is fucking obvious. People don't want to discuss industry or the culture around video games, they want to fling shit, shitpost, talk about politics, do activism, complain about sjw, whine when the mods do their jobs. All of these either already belong on a board or is outright shitposting. All you want to do is add another /b/ clone with flavour
Board splits don't fix things, it creates two problems. The bigger the original problem is, the bigger the dual problems cause. If you split /v/ like that, the culture and industry will never leave it, even if you nazi mod it. Because you now have other boards that hold and people will cross-board both and as the culture on the other board grows, they bring it back to /v/. If you nazi the split boards, you now have a waste land and a dead board. People aren't going to use it intelligently, they will just use it as a shitposting den, just like /v/.
There is no point to making garbage boards for garbage topics that are just going to be used for shitposting. Nazi modding is 10x better than your solution that will not only increase the site traffic more, you are just giving retards another retard board to act like retards. Nazi moding /v/, one of the most traffic heavy boards, will kill a fucking awful lot of site traffic. And thats fucking damn well what the site needs, a downsize
>>386071
This post, compared to other oposers, is very well construced and you actually make a few valid points. I would have to disagree with your pessimis view on the topic at hand. See, you're assuming that people discuss meta-video games just to piss people off. Remember that, for /co/ , for some people that was the case, when MLP was spamed on it, but for the people tha was legitimately interested in the show, /mlp/ eventually contained it. I like your line when you talk about multiplying problems. I think you're right that the less boards, the less trouble, but you'd have to compare all the benefits having the board split this time against the downsides, and realistically the worst that could happen is that the board is scraped if everything fails as you say it would.
Also, as I said before, I'd love if Nazi Modding wouls just solve the issue, but going out of that "imaginary ideal world of yours", you know as well as me that mods don't and wont care for /v/. Like, at all.
>>386016
If you make a new board for something that can't be discussed properly, then that isn't getting rid of the problem. That terrible userbase will still be on 4chan and will still post on all the video game boards anyway. You won't stop them.
>>386056
>Because rules before laid down said shit like that was allowed.
http://www.4chan.org/rules#a
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Define+%22Pornography%22
The mod was right, and /a/ bitched because they don't know the definition of a word.
>>384853
>/vi/: Video Game Industry. This board will be dedicated to things such as GamerGate, SJW's, Video Game Journalism, Press Conferences, basically anything that portraits to video games as an industry. Think about it, many SJW and Censorship threads are asking to get invaded and spammed to death, it happens all the time on /v/.
Terrible idea
>>386134
The SFW rules were never there to make boards actually work safe, it was there to stop boards from being porn dumping grounds. Moot used to be pretty upfront up about how he doesn't think boards need to be porn dumping grounds
>>385011
>banning video game discussion on the video game board
Just stop playing video games if it bothers you so much.
I stopped playing video games in 2010 because I hate SJWs so much.
If you're the opposite, you love SJWs and hate hearing bad things about them, then stop playing video games and talking about video games and going to /v/. Just stop that shit. Don't post on /v/, don't read any /v/ thread and don't post about SJWs on /v/. Just stop.
>>386066
According to a janitor who posted moot's leaked IRC logs about GamerGate on cripplechan, it was a few mods who got canned.
>>386147
How so? Really explain to me how a place where people can talk about shit like this without it breaking into normal video game threads be a bad idea?
>>386125
Creating a new board would. Why are you so desperate to ignore cases like /mlp/ where spliting the board succesfully contained a topic that was cartoons but was rejected from the main board? What makes /v/ different in this case? Why do you think it won't be exactly like that?
>>386221
there isn't a board where basically every thread is tangentially related to /mlp/ so it's pretty isolated
if you think /v*/ and /v/ will have a great impenetrable moat between them you're high
>>386221
>succesfully
>>386221
/mlp/ is a horrible example, it wasn't a board made to contain something that's considered globally controversial and were most of the people discussing it are underage b8 to top it off
I don't see a difference between anime and pony cartoons
>>386227
I'm not saying it will be flawless, but it will be way much better that the current status quo. You're not seeing the big picture here, dividing the board will give the moderation a legitimate reason to let /v/ as a board with nothing but video game discussion. The reason these boards survive nowadays is because the mods usually think "Eh, it's culture" "eh, it kinda is video games, I think?" This hesitation is what makes /v/ what it is now. If the rule were "If you can't play it, it doesn't go in this board" /v/ could reach a level of on topic never before seen in the history of 4chan.
>>386232
presence or absence of ponies is usually a pretty safe indicator if you're having trouble telling them apart
>>386234
>The reason these boards survive nowadays is because the mods usually think "Eh, it's culture" "eh, it kinda is video games, I think?"
>fucking implying
>>386230
>it wasn't a board made to contain something that's considered globally controversial and were most of the people discussing it are underage b8 to top it off
What was it then? That, right now, sounds like the perfect description of /mlp/
>>386236
http://myanimelist.net/character/14477/Pony
From Hiro's favorite anime :^)
>>386239
What? Mlp is fucking cartoon horses for children, not some fucking global controversial topic. It wasn't even controversial here, people just got suck of it being fucking spammed
Stop talking out of your arse
>>386238
Alright, let me hear it, why not?
No seriously, tell me what part of that isn't true. LOL threads are permited sometimes, someimes they are not, sometimes twitter discussion about a game dev is allowed, sometimes it isn't. one-line-of-greentext threads allowed sometimes and sometimes not. It's clear the grey area on threads is blurry by this point, if mods can't properly crack down on these threads by fearing a backlash, then it calls for either getting rid of all meta-discussion (easier said than done) or move it somewhere else (as easy as it sounds)
>>386242
>not some fucking global controversial topic
It kinda is treated like one. Try posting pony anywhere but /thrash/ or /mlp/, go ahead.
>>386245
The mods don't give two shits about board culture retard. The mods doesn't like /v/s userbase and thats why all the garbage is there, not because of 'board culture'.
>>386246
Anon, you are trying to make comparisons between things that don't have anything in common. People get upset at pony and furry shit because the fanbases are fucking too autistic and retarded for even the people here and want them to fuck off.
>>386247
If what you say is true, then the more reason to split the board, driving away the undesired userbase from the video game discussion board.
>>386247
I don't go to /v/ but I have never understood what makes them supposedly worse than other boards. Besides "muh SJW" shit, which is newer than when /v/ was hated and I reject as an issue. Man moot and the mods are such faggots. Maybe the new guy will do something or other eventually, more new boards is a bad idea though.
>>386252
How is that different from the autism of vidya culture and meta video game discussion? People go as far as to call it Reddit.
Can Smashposting become a bannable thing at the very least? Fuck Melee e-celeb bullshit, fuck Sm4sh's r8 my mains/ballot shitposting/lobby threads, take all that shit to /vg/ and you just unclogged 3+ threads from the catalog.
>>386253
Yea, no. You seem to be some sort of retarded newfag. Board splits don't split any form of userbase, people just cross-board and use both. Splitting that shitty content won't remove the userbase from /v/ and they will continue to use /v/ the same, just as they will with the split board
>>386258
There is a fucking big difference between political like discussion that's heavily controversial and always causes shitfligging to people disliking retards and wanting them to leave and not force their shit. I'm not explaining it to you, if you can't understand the difference, you are intentionally choosing to be ignorant
>>386262
I haven't called you names so far, I expect you to lend me the same courtesy. You say
>Board splits don't split any form of userbase, people just cross-board and use both
And yet, posting generals in /v/ is not allowed, and they are quickly removed when spoted in /v/. So it works, it truly works, and no amount of boardcrossing changes that. I'm sorry Anon, all I'm doing and all I'll keept doing is base my arguments with evidence of existing things rater than just throw fearmongering blabery about the end of the website brought upon by just some silly new board.
>>386265
Sure, political discussion is quite sneaky, /pol/, I guess, would be the bigger counter example for how new boards failed to contain a whole mindset. Considet this, however. You're thinking "Well, if this meta board is made, shitposter will keep making their threads on /v/" but the thing is, it's all matter of placement, and feeling you're in the right place. You can't sneak a "Is she right?" thread anywhere that isn't /v/ because its somewhat video games. Imagine that shit in, say, /ck/. Or /pol/. Or any other board. /pol/ can get away with thinly veiled redpilling threads in different boards, /v/ can't. Video games stick out like a sore thumb, so I'm afraid your analogy invoking "political discussion" is false.
>>386271
>>>/q/
>>386274
Nice rebutal.
>>386262
Why are you so against the proposed board splits? /v/ is a huge board with tons of traffic and many subtopics related to video games, so naturally by redirecting some of those topics to another board there will be less of it and ergo less traffic on /v/. What part of this proposal irks you so much?
>>386279
1. No demand
2. New proposed board sounds like shit
3. Board splits are bad on principle
>>386268
I'm calling you names because you a idiot who keeps dodging my arguments against your point, straw-manning me and then repeating your points.
>no generals on /v/
>>>/v/320662705
>>>/v/320629215
>>>/v/320668198
>>>/v/320667753
>>>/v/320675247
>>>/v/320681004
While not all direct generals, are all general flavour and are thinly veiled
Instead, tell me, why would the people on your proposed board stop using /v/? These very people are anti-mods so they'll keep posting on /v/ even its spam filtered. There is very few people who post on a single board and when you have boards that are heavily related and intertwined, people will post on both. You could split up fucking /v/ by genres, and the board would still manage to have its current traffic level. That's how the board is and its like that because of how fucking big it is
You are the one making baseless arguments, because for some reason you thinking splitting a board decreases its traffic and makes people stop using a board. People cross-board and always will cross-board
If you want another reason why your idea is fucking horrible. Because it'll only increase the site traffic even more. Not just that, it'll bring in more retards. A meta/v/ culture/v/ and industry/v/ will be mostly about sjw, censorship and just playing whining about stupid shit. People will come here for that board and act like activist retards and then they will start using other boards and treat them the fucking same. Just like its fucking happened repetitively over the fucking years
You idea isn't just bad because it won't actually fix /v/, it also will only serve to help the site continue its downwards spiral of stupidity. You don't cater to stupidity, you ban it
>>386283
I've made a thread on /v/ to see what they'd think about the ideas, but I'm thinking the majority of 2015 /v/'s userbase might just be too retarded to see how badly /v/ really needs fixing
What boards would you suggest instead? I agree with you on board splits not meaning to be a one-size-fits-all solution, but /v/ is just too cluttered, crowded, big, and shitty to not do anything
>>385964
If you don't understand why the industry is important to video games you might be stupid
>>385993
You realize that there's more to the industry than just feminists, right?
And if you think all talk about censorship is just a secret ploy by /pol/ to kill women or some shit, then you're fucking stupid.
>>386292
It doesn't matter how important something is to something, if the only thing it causes is stupidity and shitposting, it gets banned. If the creation of anime was important to /a/ and it was causing the board on a downwards spiral of shit and shitposting. I would be be going for banning it, not giving it its own board to grow and become worse
>>385999
>this delusion
/pol/ is not one person
>>386288
>I'm thinking the majority of 2015 /v/'s userbase might just be too retarded to see how badly /v/ really needs fixing
No shit.
Most of them came to /v/ after 2008.
>>385975
>Kancolle
>small c
>>386320
>Kancolle
>large k
>>386287
>while not all actually generals
stopped reading there
>>386287
These are not generals. If you think they are you are beyond saving. Generals are practically chat rooms and these threads are clearly not that. Also, even though you'll invoke the same useless argument ad nauseam, I refuse to call you names, I'm too old for that and all I want is to.fix /v/ instead of waiting the mods to.give a fuck.
>>386372
>Generals are practically chat rooms
That's not what generals are you fucking moron. That's the end goal of generals, but thats not what they are. They are threads with a specific topic and are reoccurring. I have no idea if any are reoccurring, I don't care enough to check, but they are general flavour. The monster hunter and Street fighter are straight up fucking generals and they aren't hiding it. Those are 100% general OPs. The drawthread is a general, the mario and smash one are both generals as well, but are weekly instead of constant. The emulation one has the potential to become a general and is already general flavour.
To implying /v/ is 'general free' makes you look fucking stupid, because thats wrong. They just don't have pastebin OP's
> I refuse to call you names, I'm too old for that
>im too mature and old for that my friend stop being a child
This doesn't reinforce your argument shitbrains, you makes you look like a fucking moron and look more immature then someone shit flinging
>all I want is to.fix /v/ instead of waiting the mods to.give a fuck.
You aren't going to fix anything and I've given you good reasons why, but good job dodging all my points and cherry picking instead. You want to fix /v/ at the cost of the rest of the site, because thats what growing new boards with such a heavy topic and retarded crowd does. I want to save /v/ by fucking killing it and starting anew
We don't need another retarded split. We just need nuke that board. Make a fucking sticky "/v/ is for videogames not for your shitposting" and ban every asshole that does so.
>inb4: no fun allowed
You reap what you sow faggots.
>>386407
For once I am with the 40k faggot over here.
Don't split the board anymore, just go full force mode on all the obvious shit that should have never set its roots into the board.
>>386397
>That's not what generals are you fucking moron
Moot himself said they were. They are not supposed to, but they are. The threads above are ocasional threads. If they started a new threads after those are dead, then yes, it would be a general and it would be promptly banned like the Undertale general was (I know you'll quickly look for some Undertale thread on /v/ right now and be all "look, you were WRONG" but please, save it, you and I both know that's not how a general looks like)
>To implying /v/ is 'general free' makes you look fucking stupid
Sadly, calling me names only makes you look desperate, it's looking like one of those strawmen comics, only in real life, really sad. And if your very argument clings on the fact that these threads are generals, my friend, I'm afraid you still have nothing.
>You aren't going to fix anything and I've given you good reasons why
No my friend, I'm afraid all you've done is recycle the previously already debunked arguments. I listed them in a previous post so, here, I'll remind you them:
>1:We just need nazi mods!
That would be great, but it's not happening man. It breaks my heart but that's the way it is
>2:The userbase is shit, and once they all fuck off, /v/ will be good again
This just won't happen for exactly the same reason you believe the userbase will keep using both boards if meta-v gets made: they just won't. And they won;t because they don;t have an incentive to do so. Which leads me to the third argument
>3:They'll just use both boards
I've given you time and again examples in which split boards solved the problem, from /vg/ (which you're not convinced with) to /mlp/ (which was proven effective) I know you searched real well for a general thread on /v/ but I urge you to find a pony thread on /co/. I'm awaiting your response anon, bring me something new like >>386071 did.
>>386432
>Moot himself said they were.
Are you fucking retarded?
>That's not what generals are you fucking moron. That's the end goal of generals, but thats not what they are.
>That's the end goal of generals, but thats not what they are.
>That's the end goal of generals
It doesn't matter if they are 'occasional' those are generals, except the emulation one. The fact you disagree shows you don't know what a fucking general is
>Sadly, calling me names only makes you look desperate
Refer to my previous post, turdnugger. The fact you are getting upset over this shows you don't even use the site that often, moron. I have no reason to talk respectfully to someone I think is a retard
>That would be great, but it's not happening man. It breaks my heart but that's the way it is
Holy shit, there is almost like as if there is a admin that controls how the site works. If only we asked him and convinced him. Or imagine if hiro fucking got the mods to talk to us again and then got the mods to do it. Amazing, I know!
>This just won't happen for exactly the same reason you believe the userbase will keep using both boards
Except, there is a reason. Shitposters are just like trolls, once you stop feeding them, they stop. The first few weeks will be hell but after it'll die down as people stop caring and lose interest. Not just that, it'll piss off people and they'll consider start leaving the site because 'the evil mods are killing our free of speech fun'. Nazi moding has shown in the past to stop people doing something and caused people to leave in masses
Using /vg/ as a example is retarded. People on /vg/ still use /v/, nor did it stop generals or people spamming threads for certain topics. Using /mlp/ is even more retarded, as the only reason it worked was because ponyfags are globally fucking hated
That anon is also me, please learn to read posting styles. You also haven't retorted any of my point in that post, you just fucking ignored them and kept posting your bullshit
>>386397
>That's not what generals are you fucking moron
Thats what they always turn into, even fresh generals as well.
>>386407
Easier said than done when the mods don't do anything on /v/ to begin with
>>386397
>You aren't going to fix anything and I've given you good reasons why, but good job dodging all my points and cherry picking instead.
You've not made any points though. You keep saying:
>You want to fix /v/ at the cost of the rest of the site, because thats what growing new boards with such a heavy topic and retarded crowd does. I want to save /v/ by fucking killing it and starting anew
>I want to kill /v/
You don't care. You just want to kill a board that's more popular than your weeb hole. Everyone knows /a/ has been jealous of /v/'s popularity and trying to kill it for years. In reality we should be deleting /a/ since its too far gone.
>>386287
Those fucking /v/idya Drawthreads especially. Shameless 24/7 threads two(?) years and counting. They were literally on /vg/ at one point but somehow came crawling backshitting up /v/ again.
>>386449
>fucking retarded
>bullshit
>turdnugger
Sorry but with all these funny therms you're throwing I can't help to picture you like the AVGN. I can't take you seriously when I honestly picture you as in pic related.
But I digress. I don't know why you think I'm upset when I clearly haven't insulted you. Maybe you're just baiting me, and that's ok. But there are impressionable users in this site that think that leaving an argument open like this counts as "rebuted", so I'll continue.
>Holy shit, there is almost like as if there is a admin that controls how the site works. If only we asked him and convinced him. Or imagine if hiro fucking got the mods to talk to us again and then got the mods to do it. Amazing, I know!
Nothing made me want to hug you more than this. The reason we are suggesting a new board is, precisely, because Hiro has been fond of creating new boards lately. People asked for /his/ for about a month and a half and it eventually happened. However, people have been making plea threads to Hiro to crack down on the mods to do their jobs on many many boards ever since /qa/ was created, including /tv/ and /vr/, so far it has only worked on /a/, and ironically it wasn't even making the moderation stricter, but looser, to allow lewds from Valkiria Drive. If you think about it, Hiro can suggest the mods to do their jobs as a resul from pressure, but its up to the mods to keep it up, and since they are not geting paid, what you are wishing for is a miracle.
>People on /vg/ still use /v/
New boards don't magically prevent users from using the former ones, but it certainly helps to sort out the kind of content its posted in each board. I know you have a very low tolerance for what constitutes a general but if you're still going to pretend there are actual generals in /v/, you might want to bring me one that blatantly says "[vidya name] general", and have it accumulate more than 50 posts before being pruned to make your point more solid.
>>386725
>draw threads are cancer
And this is how we know you're retarded
>>386725
Draw threads generate OC, OC is good.
So have we gotten anywhere on this? Most people based on the strawpolls and from seeing other posts seem to be for a vidya culture and industry board
Ok maybe iffy on culture but Industry for sure is a board we do need
>>384853
>As you know Nazi moderation isn't going to work in the long run.
Wrong.
>>387132
Nazi moderation ruined /d/
>>386769
Please refer to all my previous post my immature friend. You can keep getting upset about insults all you want, but it makes you the childish one in this case.
>precisely, because Hiro has been fond of creating new boards lately.
Because hes a naive moron who knows nothing about the site and is going by whoever screams the loudest
>but looser
There was no rule change, only a newfag mod being beaten back into his place
Your entire paragraph there is literally just
>hiro could tell the mods to do x but nothing says they will because they are big evil bullys who dont care about the site in any way and just want to powertrip
Which is fucking wrong. If hiro tells the mods to do something, they are going to do it. If they stop doing it or don't do it, the users will complain and they will get fired. Them doing it for free means nothing
>for its to be a general it must have general or a pastabin in the OP
You clearly don't even know what a fucking general is
The simple fact of the matter is, you are yet to give a solid reason why there should be a board split. You haven't given any reason how a board split will decrease /v/s traffic, remove any shitposters from /v/, actually remove the topics from /v/ or outright fix anything. I've given quite a bit why your wrong and nazi would be better. The biggest is, board splitting will only increase the sites traffic due to the topics you want to split and said boards will cultivate their own culture that will spread all through the rest of the site. Not just are you increasing the site traffic, something that needs to decrease, you will create a new age of shitposting and retards
>your are just fearmongoling
Nah, you are giving an entire board to retards to talk about retard shit. /b/ being a meme pot and activism pot sure helped the site once word got out. You haven't given a reason why we should cater to retards instead of banning them without falling onto 'b-but people want to talk about it'.
>>387137
The ruination of /v/ is what's needed right now. Let the current /v/ die.
