Continued from last thread
>>77791902
Christians, report!
Can we celebrate the triumph over the attempt to push a Vatican II on the Orthodox Church?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L80lb1T0ecs
>The document affirms love and peace as the church's ideals, criticizes racism, inequality, moral degradation and "liberal globalism" -- it's an agenda as conservative as it is anodyne.
>Yet the Council could have changed the Orthodox churches' ossified attitude toward the rest of Cristendom, which has not changed since the Dark Ages. To Orthodox Christians, all other denominations are heresies, not churches. Some steps toward more ecumenism and more openness would already constitute serious progress for what is now the most conservative of Christian denominations. Patriarch Bartholomew, a friend of Pope Francis's, was determined to push it through.
Thankfully, it looks like his agenda has failed.
http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-06-16/the-orthodox-church-stays-in-the-dark-ages
Here is a reading list and a series of FAQ's (for atheists, Catholics, Protestants, Jews and Muslims) concerning Orthodoxy, for your pleasure: http://pastebin.com/bN1ujq2x
>be catholic
>worship a statue
>>77848896
everybody else except the orthodox church are cucks
enjoy being cucked, heathens
First for the Love and Mercy of God!!!
Praise him lads, try not to fight too much. The devil loves when we fight. Just accept and follow Christ. We can all agree on that at least right?
>>77849101
I know they don't actually worship statues, however they do believe in holy relics.
Not that is a real idol since they think that these objects hold some kind of power.
Happy Feast of Pentecost Orthodox bros
What is some /christian/ approved music?
>>77849213
Why do you feel the need to be like this?
>>77848896
my patron saint
>>77849101
By that standard, Moses worshiped his father-in-law (Exodus 18:7).
>>77849270
>Not that is a real idol since they think that these objects hold some kind of power
That's an idol
>>77849101
>be Early Christian, worship A FUCKING WORD
>>77849283
cause I love to state facts and be right, this is how a person in a non-cucked religion likes to behave
>>77849279
Om
Black Sabbath
>>77849397
EARLY CHRISTIAN IDOLATRY
>>77849283
http://www.irna.ir/en/News/81777126/
http://ocl.org/dont-let-muslim-refugees-in-says-bulgarias-orthodox-church/
http://sofiaglobe.com/2015/09/25/bulgarian-orthodox-church-tells-government-dont-admit-more-refugees/
http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/dont-let-muslim-refugees-says-bulgarias-orthodox-church-1024482681
>>77849275
Happy Pentecost!
>>77849279
Here are some Orthodox hymns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE1FzSC8DBs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noetoc2W4Pc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a6-u_6dZ8M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MGVBuQHcMk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0qLQWwc92Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8r5r4R2yuE
>>77848896
>Christian general
>it's about Catholics, with orthodox bias
>>77849453
>who is the Logos
>>77849537
what's your point?
there was heresy in the church even during paul's ministry.
just because something's old doesn't make it good.
>>77849270
>>77849397
'Now* that's a real idol' is what I meant to post.
>>77848896
Atheist here. I think Christianity is bretty gud in that it keeps people from latching to worse things like marxism, social justice, feminism, etc. Most atheists aren't atheists. They just worship other crap we don't think of as religion or gods.
>>77848896
Yes.
Heathens, die.
>>77849580
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/hungarian-bishop-says-pope-is-wrong-about-refugees/2015/09/07/fcba72e6-558a-11e5-9f54-1ea23f6e02f3_story.html
>>77849455
It's not a fact though, it's an opinion
>>77849645
>ignores words use to refer to Logos and how they are in fact expressions of reverence and used to differentiate from other words
>>77849634
Heretics not welcome.
>>77849537
So are you saying you support idolatry?
>>77849679
Paul was a heretic for rejecting sola Scriptura by your logic
https://youtu.be/kY_gzlR6Sks?t=55s
>redhead on the left just told Trump he was prophesied in the bible
>"you are the last Trumpet"
>"no, I'm the first"
>The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.
What did he mean by this?
>>77849537
>praying for the dead
>idolatry
http://byztex.blogspot.com/2016/02/elder-cleopas-on-praying-for-dead.html?m=1
>>77848896
tfw not a synod
>>77849955
By your definition of it, the Early Christians fall into that category. Even the NT authors who make no attempt to condemn such acts
>>77849634
>OP is an Orthodox
>the only pastebin he posts is a FAQ about Orthodoxy
>HURR DURR CATHOLIC BIAS
Protestants, every time.
>>77849831
difference is, though, the highest one in the chain of holy men of orthodoxy is not a cuck and is not promoting cuckoldry
>>77849883
catholicism is a cucked branch of christianity and that's a fact, even your music is shit
>>77849800
What do you consider a heathen?
You shouldn't want them to die, you should want them to be saved (though a lot won't be obviously, some will be)
>>77849776
Then they're not atheists. The definition of atheist is "not a theist". If you worship shit you're a theist, if you don't you're an a-theist.
English, dumbass.
>start a christian thread
>it's actually catholics neckbeards masturbating over the pope and crusades
you could get a better christian thread by posting a plato or socrates thread in lit or his
>>77850116
I'm not a Catholic
>bad music makes someone not a Christian
Lol, okay
>>77850340
It's pretty disgusting honestly
>>77849941
>>77850111
Catholics are Christian radicals though.
Orthodox are Muslim-tier and Protestant are Jewish-tier.
>>77850336
>If you worship shit you're a theist
No, not really, unless you think "worship" means to ascribe divinity to.
>>77850340
I just want to rape you
>>77849586
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noetoc2W4Pc [Embed]
more like this?
Orthodoxy is literally below prots in their mental gymnastics. Wanted to join once cause nice aesthetics but realizes they don't care about Christ. OP and other orths constantly shitting on Vat2 without knowing what it is just proves this point. Spiritually dead because separated from the vicar of Christ
>>77850458
This post makes literally no sense
>>77850348
there are only two oficially recognized branches of christianity, orthodoxy and catholicism, others are heathens, catholics are cucks, that's the harsh truth, God didn't say to cuck yourself and give your wife to shitskins, but he said to kill your enemy's head and bathe in his blood
>>77850348
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wm4RlnnaOU
listen to this song, orthodoxy is the real faith
>>77850596
See? Orths are just pagan-tier LARPers trying to find an EPIC religion to post memes about. The catholics on here actually surprise me with how dedicated and upright they are
>>77850116
Remember when all Orthodox leaders in the Eastern bloc were commie agents, while the Pope was a based Pole? Or when you were cucked by the Ottomans (who were beaten back by the Catholics?)
>>77850583
Because you literally know nothing about Christianity.
>>77850767
If we are actually comparing the true religion by music, you could say protestant niggers were really close to god all this time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G5BuumJ5xA
>>77850596
>he said to kill your enemy's head and bathe in his blood
top kek
>>77849982
sola scriptura is the belief that the scriptures, being God-breathed, are the sole infallible rule of faith in the post-apostolic age.
in what passage did paul reject this notion?
>>77850596
>officially recognized
No shit retard. Most of the Christian gospel was oral and everything written was heavily paraphrased.
For there to be an actual surviving Christian sect left would be a miracle considering Catholics and Jews went out of their way to hide the truth. Muslims just flat-out killed Christians and destroyed evidence.
>>77850879
Lol, okay. Explain to me how Catholics are radicals when there's Protestants that are way more extremist or radical? How are Protestants "Jewish tier" (what do you even mean by that) when they're beliefs vary widely? How are Orthodoxs like Muslims?
>>77850952
Here are two testimonies: The Holy Apostle Jude in his catholic epistle, verse nine, among others, says: But when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, disputed about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a reviling judgement upon him, but said, The Lord rebuke thee (Jude 9). Dearest to Christ, search all of Holy Scripture and see if you will find written this utterance. Still further down in the same epistle the Apostle refers to the prophecy of Enoch, saying: And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousand of his saints, to execute judgement upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in such an ungodly way, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him (Jude 14-20). Yet, the Apostle Jude is not alone in speaking from Tradition. Listen to what the illustrious Paul says in his second epistle to Timothy; Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith (2 Tim. 3:8). And again the renowned Apostle Paul, guiding the priests of Ephesus, says: Remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, it is more blessed to give than to receive (Acts 20:35). Now, I ask you, who insist on putting faith only in the written word, from where did the two Apostles - Jude and Paul - take the foregoing words, for you will not find them written anywhere in Holy Scripture?
>>77850581
But still it doesn't mean this rule should also applies to bishops of Rome.
>>77850336
>English, dumbass.
Bold words from a guy who can't read for jack shit.
>>77851224
>How are Protestants "Jewish tier" (what do you even mean by that)
They are Judaizers in their obsession with the OT and their adherence to ancient Mosaic laws of the old covenant.
>>77850952
Don't forget how scripture itself came from Tradition and that Tradition which comes from God himself becomes the lens to read Scripture. This means no Sola Scriptura and this is the case with ALL church fathers
>>77851302
Then how can the other patriarchs claim apostolic succession? These rules weren't written in the bible for the generation before it was written down but for ever since till the end of time
>>77850559
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9eceJaq5Y4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl3aOw61Fn4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNieFL7wTlc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhIyNyJySsE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-aYGPw1VCA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBwh1OXw6uI
>catholic music
>not based
>>77851224
Catholics = Pro-Jesus bible worshiper
Jew = Anti-Jesus bible worshiper
Orthodox = old bible
Protestant = neo bible
Christian = Pro-Jesus gospel worshiper
For those who don't get this, the Pope is basically making it WAY easier to get an annulment, because "not understanding the commitment to marriage" is a valid reason for one in the Catholic Church.
>>77851769
Valid grounds for annulment of marriage in the Catholic Church include, but are not limited to:
*you married for social status but the person did not have the status you expected
*you didn't know marriage was a "permanent relationship"
*you married intending to have the option of divorce open
*you did not know marriage was an "exclusive relationship"
http://www.stmarys-waco.org/documents/Grounds%20for%20Marriage%20Annulment%20in%20the%20Catholic%20Church.pdf
https://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/marital_consent.htm
But adultery isn't one of them. Neither is abondoment. So if your wife gets knocked up by another guy, you are obligated to stay with her. Or if you are a mother of three and your husband leaves, you are obligated to raise them as a single mother. But all these stupid reasons are allowed
Compare the Orthodox reasons for divorce, very simple, very practical, pic related
>>77850852
shut up, ahmed, you're diggin your own grave right now, as soon as western Europe falls it will be muslim heads on stakes
>>77850871
>who were beaten back by the Catholics?
Learn history, magyar shitter, Russians, who are orthodox.
>>77850933
>chile
>talking about faith
>kek
>>77850935
it's the truth, though, Jesus fucked the jews pretty bad, he was all for peace, until someone got on top of his shit, then he fucked them up, that's Orthodoxy.
>>77851150
HEATHENS, DIE!
There's a way for a sect to be recognized, all of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_patriarchs these people need to agree on it, then and only then another branch of Christianity can be born, dumbass and that's why all of you fags are heathens, you don't even pray in the proper way, you are heathens.
>>77851619
>Orthodox = old bible
What the hell is this supposed to even mean?
>>77851585
Thanks familia
>>77851585
english doesn't sound very well with Orthodox chants, don't wanna insult anything, but all other languages sound better.
>>77851491
There are only some Protestants like that. Not even close to the majority
>>77851619
That didn't answer the question at all, but okay. Call me an idiot because you didn't explain anything, I don't care
>>77851919
Do you have any chants in Spanish? I speak it and remember how good it sounded when my family went to church but I don't really know any and haven't heard them in years.
>>77848896
Pentecostals represent. Don't ever see Pentecostalism mentioned here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0d4qM7gCH8
>>77852019
It wasn't worth answering since you didn't even understand what Christianity was.
Another anon answered you anyway.
>>77851919
It sounds pretty decent in Liturgy,- but I haven't found many good audio recordings of it.
You can see it sounds fine if the singers and acoustics are right, this hymn alternates between Greek and English: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw8XE3j_c0U (English starts at 1:39)
>>77852101
You could've just googled, dumbass, but here, sounds pretty good. I guess only english sounds bad, but then again, the eternal anglo is not European anyway, so who cares.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y51kQboDYps
>>77852238
He didn't though, at least not correctly
So it wasn't worth answering but it was responding to?
What makes you think I don't understand Christianity?
>>77851864
There is no such thing as "The Bible", because Jesus had written no scripture.
Old Bible = No change
Neo Bible = amendments
What are your favorite Christian based paintings?
This isn't mine but I like it. What is this kind of style called?
>>77852019
More like the majority based on the context of Maximus' own words. The Jews he described are ironically akin to how Protshits approach scripture. In fact it's explicit in sola Scriptura which states that scripture is clear and simple to those enlightened by the Holy Spirit
>>77852446
Because you don't.
If you did, you wouldn't say such blatantly inane things.
>>77851864
just showing how little he knows about christianity
>>77852322
Sounds weird, they are pronouncing all of the words right. It's weird, you should go to an orthodox anything, funeral, wedding, whatever, you can never fully understand the priest's song, the english sounds too clean, mechanical and souless, I think anglos should delete their existance from our planet, they've done enough evil to Europe anyway.
>inb4 american teaches me how orthodox shit sounds.
Fuck you, nigger, I've been to weddings, blessings and funerals, I've heard a lot of priest singing and you should never be able to understand everything.
>>77851570
Good point, but still it does not mean the pope is infallible. Many of previous pope were degenerates and the current pope is trying to change marriage doctrine.
>>77851822
>it's the truth, though, Jesus fucked the jews pretty bad, he was all for peace, until someone got on top of his shit, then he fucked them up, that's Orthodoxy.
Reporting in boyyy
>>77852751
>Romania
Go back to your pagan sacrifices, animal.
>>77852765
My parish's liturgy alternates between Greek and English, I have absolutely zero problem understanding what the priest or the cantors are saying.
>>77852322
I want to add, maybe another thing bugging me about it is the woman voice, it's very rare to hear a nun song, in my country and church usually priests sing, not nuns.
>inb4 female priests
This is not sweden, boy, religious people are hardcore, we had a fag priests scandal here and they almost got their heads cut off for heresy.
>>77852192
>Pentecostals
You mean voodo christianity.
>>77852738
You still have no reasoning for why you think Orthodox Christians are like Muslims, because they're not or how Protestants are like Jews because it doesn't make sense. If you had reasons you would have said them instead of taking the time to reply to me with things that didn't even address my question but I'm assuming you were trying to pass off as reasons
Just admit it, or don't. Have a nice day I guess
>>77852636
It's over guys, go home. Based anon finally shared his unequivocal knowledge. There is no Bible
>>77852951
After listening to it for a while I stopped understanding what they are saying, so the chant is working, I guess I was wrong all along, I'm sorry.
Still, the chant is working properly now, I want to cut the heads of my enemies.
>>77852929
What the fuck? Kek, you're showing your lack of knowledge more and more m89
>>77852636
>There is no such thing as "The Bible", because Jesus had written no scripture.
Really makes you think
>>77848896
Implying you're not already infiltrated:
http://katehon.com/article/who-are-you-fr-alex
>>77853024
Explain polski, I'd like to hear your view on it.
Be as honest as you want.
>>77853164
typical self-hating pagan relying on cursing
>>77852780
how dare you mock God's earthly representative. you are a Pole, keeper of the Church. never agree with heretics concerning the church! Yisrael, Chai! bitches!
>>77851300
This.
>>77852992
The priest doesn't sing in my Church, the hymns are responses. His daughters are the cantors, and they sound great.
I generally also sing with them, as does some of the congregation (most where it is a well known hymn).
>>77852780
>Good point, but still it does not mean the pope is infallible
Actually yes. If you assert that the holy ghost can step in to prevent a council from declaring herresy as dogmatic why don't you assume it has the same power over the pope
>Many of previous pope were degenerates
But didn't teach formal heresies. They are just men. We are all sinners. St. Peter denounced Christ 3 times
>current pope is trying to change marriage doctrine.
How so?
>>77853256
Wow lad, lol
What do you gain from getting on the Internet and pretending to know about Christianity and pretending to be a Christian?
>>77849941
That triggers me
God is cool.
>>77851813
Well in some cases the Orthodox stance has way more common sense than the Catholic one, I have to admit that.
>>77853296
heretics, only priests should sing, dumbass
>>77853195
>implying we don't know that
The infiltrators got rekt, that's why we're rejoicing. We even had an infilator so bad, that when he was Patriarch of Jerusalem, he sold Church property to Israel--he was defrocked and replaced. The government of Israel refused to recognize the new Patriarch of Jerusalem for a while, but eventually they had to come around.
>>77853088
Illiteracy is also a common trait among pagans.
>>77849101
You don`t worship it is like a photograph, also you ask the saint to intervene, the thing here is that not all catholics know that or are reminded of it, I learned not to long ago.
people get confused if not explained
>>77853496
Yeah, you got that practice from the Latins.
>>77853324
That's the entire bible's history. Deal with it. The only way for the church to even recognize the canon is ironically, through tradition itself which gives the mechanism to discern true Scripture from the other documents. Because Scripture did not fall from the sky magically like you believe, the Church or the apostles literally shaped if not create the canon! Ever noticed how fallacious your retarded statement is
>>77853561
He read and responded to your post though
0/10
Find Jesus please, God bless
>>77849216
True Amen to that God Bless.
SHINPAI SHINAIDE
>>77853219
First of all it's stupid to start a new denomination 1900 years after Christ. You all are making some weird stuffs like speaking, or rather blabbering in some made up languages and other things. It's rather a show than a religion, that's why you are so popular in third world countries.
>>77853620
>>77853324
>>77853369
Go back to the ocean, red herring.
>>77853620
You can't even read Hebrew Scripture without tradition, since it has no vowels and you can read the words in many different ways otherwise. Jews didn't add vowels until like a thousand years after Christ
I'm not a Christian but I just found out somebody I know is a jehavours witness. Should I distance myself from them? They are like a fucking cult allowing babies to die and etc I feel so damn angry and upset right now
>>77853652
Try harder, or just stop trying.
>>77849453
>A FUCKING WORD
wow catholics
>>77853781
Extremely heretical cult at that
>>77849634
>Christian general
>Christians fighting amongst different sects
>>77853781
Yes. It's a literal cult.
>>77853725
It's not a red herring. I'm asking you point blank because only because I'm genuinely curious why you're in this thread if this how you're going to act and if you clearly aren't a Christian, or knowledgable about Christianity
>>77852668
>>77853900
>Catholic and Christian are the same thing
absolute hersey
>>77848896
>being christian in 2016
>not being a believer of Kek and accepting Pepe as his prophet
smdh tbqh lads.
Kek curses you all
77853695 Just saying that I'm still here
>>77853812
Try harder at what?
>>77853964
Fish don't bait. They swim.
Get back to it.
>>77853692
Speaking in tongues is biblical, remember the dove of fire/holy spirit?
I do agree that it can get pretty wild at times but I suppose there can be worse criticism.
>>77853830
By arguing about CATHOLICS and their statues, you practically make the Early Christians idolaters by your own definition
>>77854077
How am I baiting?
>>77853561
Illiteracy how? And me, an Orthodox, a Pagan? You just said there is no "The Bible" m89.
Must be baiting hard. Or a pentecostal/other heretic
>>77851769
It's mostly a slap in the face to people entering the sacrament of marriage, implying they are incapable of understanding what they are doing. Could Adam have used ignorance as an excuse for eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil? We need to be careful not to place Godly marriage on a slippery slope.
>>77854018
thanks for proving my point
>>77854288
Yeah, he's baiting. I'm just giving him the (You)s he so desperately craves
>>77848896
May Qek wreak havoc on you kike worshippers
>>77848896
I had a great Great Feast of Pentecost we had a hierarchical liturgy today on Pentecost
All this hate is bad. Let's do something positive we can all agree on. I even picked an eastern style Mary to show good faith (pun intended)
HAIL MARY
>>77854170
The thing is, when the Holy Spirit spoke, everyone understood. When they talk, nobody does.
>start a christian thread
>it's another thread where believers forget the main substance behind being a christian and instead focus on traditions, norms, silly rituals, etc
daily reminder that jesus just got baptized because isaiah said it would happen with the messiah. If isaiah didn't said it, jesus wouldn't give a fuck
>>77854170
>Speaking in tongues is biblical, remember the dove of fire/holy spirit?
You mean when everyone could hear everything in their native tongue?
That's not really what Pentecostals do.
>>77853533
Well I'm glad for you, orthobro.
>>77854227
>Jesus prayed to statues
catholics are not going to change
what i dont know is, what is going to happen to them, it's like the same with islam and judaism, they accept God, but not Christ
>>77854433
>all agree on
>picks Mary
Lol
>>77854288
I have several posts in this thread that you can read.
Your refusal to read them is ignorant.
Your refusal to understand basic grammatical understanding is illiterate.
>>77853348
>He's pushing for comunnion for remarriage people, he's making a way more easier to get the annulment of marriage, he's tolerating/suporting liberal modernist in church like kard. Kasper.
>But didn't teach formal heresies. They are just men. We are all sinners. St. Peter denounced Christ 3 times
Becouse papal infallibility is a new dogma. You can only image what would happen if borgia would have known he was infallible.
>Actually yes. If you assert that the holy ghost can step in to prevent a council from declaring herresy as dogmatic why don't you assume it has the same power over the pope
It's easier to corrupt one person then the whole council. That's how Christianity worked for 1000 year. The counciles were the most importan, hell even the first council wasn't lead by the Peter.
>>77853781
Im Catholic but went today with the Jehova witnesses, they read the bible a lot I get sorta confused but is pretty nice to read the bible.
They even know each other by names and get worried if some frequent goer does attend.
>>77849101
Idk God asked for statues in his first convenient
>>77854396
Nice anon happy Pentecost
>>77854370
You're even more of a blithering juvenile than the Romania poster.
>>77853348
>>77854554
>>77853348
>How so
He's pushing for comunnion for remarriage people, he's making a way more easier to get the annulment of marriage, he's tolerating/suporting liberal modernist in church like kard. Kasper.
>But didn't teach formal heresies. They are just men. We are all sinners. St. Peter denounced Christ 3 times
Becouse papal infallibility is a new dogma. You can only image what would happen if borgia would have known he was infallible.
>Actually yes. If you assert that the holy ghost can step in to prevent a council from declaring herresy as dogmatic why don't you assume it has the same power over the pope
It's easier to corrupt one person then the whole council. That's how Christianity worked for 1000 year. The counciles were the most importan, hell even the first council wasn't lead by the Peter.
>>77854509
I read all of them. None are valid though. All must be bait because nobody can get that ill informed or is just that idiotic. I have yet to show my lack of understanding grammar. Try a new bait I just got off the hook.
>>77854506
Most of the Ave Maria is straight from the bible. Desu I think the Mary hate from prots is more misguided catholic hate. Are you denying she was the most blessed among women or that blessed is the fruit of her womb Jesus?
She nurtured and raised him show some respect
>>77854554
>Becouse papal infallibility is a new dogma. You can only image what would happen if borgia would have known he was infallible.
The Borgias were actually 10000000 times better Popes than anything we've had since 1965.
>>77854433
>Eastern style
The only thing "eastern style" about that is the cross
Pic related is Eastern style Mary
>>77854638
They are literally sect. Stay out of them.
>>77854433
> eastern style
> another camera-lucida progressivist degeneracy
> actually hails the pagan cybele "the mother of gods" cult
Du machs es falsch.
>>77854489
Protesturds pervert Christ and God
>>77854554
>It's easier to corrupt one person then the whole council
We are literally talking about the holy ghost
>hell even the first council wasn't lead by the Peter
Wut? It's literally in the bible
>You know Christ appointed me to gather his flock
or something along those lines. He's the reason pagans got allowed into christianity in the first place
>>77851864
Means we use the Septuagint for the Old Testament, which is what the early Christians used. Protestants use the Masoretic text, Catholics use the Vulgate or (increasingly) the Masoretic text.
>>77853324
If Paul believed only in scripture he wouldn't have included teachings that were only known in tradition.
Leave it to /pol/ to make light of another serious subject
>>77854881
how?
>>77854781
So this makes nowadays catholicism even worse.Maybe Vatican I was also a mistake.
>>77851224
This one doesn't know any extensive history
>>77854784
The eastern orthodox' don't forbid religious art pham.
>>77854715
(You)
>>77854758
How am I being disrespectful? All I did was point out that you picked Mary when there's wide ranging and controversial opinions on Mary from all sides. Fucking relax dude. You would just think Jesus would be the thing we could all agree on
>>77854881
I don't see how this an argument against most protestant denominations
>>77854854
t. Nestorius
>>77855071
What does that have to do with what I said?
>>77854758
She was blessed because she gave birth to Jesus, after she chose to do it and did it.
> Maria was saint prior to the birth
> Cybeleism
> pagan cult with virtually(?) castrating the priests in image of attis: celibate + mandatory shaving beard
>>77854917
The Council of Jerusalem was lead mostly by James the Just.
And what about heresy of the current pope I've mentioned earlier?
>>77854758
This Honestly nobody would like if someone talked about his mother.
also he must remember just dying words.
>>77855128
It's a Mary pic... by the eastern church. I don't know how it's not eastern style but I don't feel like arguing over such a non-issue. Nevermind
>>77855092
t. pagan arab in denial
>beliebing in pinocchiostein
*deus vults*
>>77855029
Peter made catholicism look like crap 3 times. We're just probably in the end times, don't worry too much.
>>77855078
Yeah I was joking when I picked Mary as the issue we all agree on. She's just so comfy
>>77855085
It shows how the early Christians are venerating dead martyrs and even dining with them which strikes a huge blow to their whole first three hundred years of Protshit evangelicals bs myths
>>77855424
STOP MISUSING MEMES FUCKEN FAGGET HOW CAN SHE BE COMFY SHE IS NOT A CHAIR
>>77855143
>Christ is the second Adam
>He didn't come into the world in a second Eden (Paradies)
Pick one
>>77855007
They make him into a fucking scapegoat! A fucking credit card, a psychopathic deity!!
>>77855636
catholics are not ok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncckxAjp8uY
>>77855241
>The Council of Jerusalem was lead mostly by James the Just
And Peter had authority.
>And what about heresy of the current pope I've mentioned earlier?
What? Only thing he changed is that IF a remarried couple has kids they can in special cases be allowed into communion to make sure their kids get a proper catholic upbringing. Nothing wrong with that imo
Orthodoxy is quiet heretic I should say
But hey, they are not the worse
>>77855401
I think the catholic church may survive, it's only the west dying.
But I would like to ask you another question fellow Spaniard. How the hell Spain become so left-wing, are there any more based territories in Span?
>>77855562
you still can sit on her or feel the comfiness inside.
>>77855300
>by the eastern church
No. It's by an Orthodox Christian, but that doesn't make it "by the Church" anymore than any other fan art by this person.
I'm not saying it's heretical, but it is not in eastern "style". Eastern style is distinct from Western style, that's what makes it Eastern style. Just like if a person draws anime or whatever, it is Japanese style, not Western style even if a Westerner draws it.
>>77855337
Wut. I'm Greek Orthodox.
>>77855424
Jesus is also comfy. He saved us from death. Pictures and statues don't do that. Obviously Mary is cool. She played an important role (through God) in Jesus' life. I would definitely respect Mary and thank her as well if I met her. She doesn't even come close to how Important Jesus is. That's not disrespectful, that's just a fact
>>77855712
Protesturds are illegitimate. Show me a church father who into sola Scriptura. NONE I TELL YOU!
>>77855760
>And Peter had authority.
Evidence?
>>77855760
>And Peter had authority.
Source
>What? Only thing he changed is that IF a remarried couple has kids they can in special cases be allowed into communion to make sure their kids get a proper catholic upbringing. Nothing wrong with that imo
This is the old catholic teaching. Have you not heard your own Episcopacy? They said they now allowing divorced couple to recive communion, and they didin't make any condition.
>>77848896
Deus vult!
Hello brothers
Remember these threads are /pol/ culture threads
>>77855760
>And Peter had authority.
St. James was the first Bishop of Jerusalem.
13 And after they had become silent, James answered, saying, “Men and brethren, listen to me: 14 Simon has declared how God at the first visited the Gentiles to take out of them a people for His name. 15 And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written:
16 ‘After this I will return
And will rebuild the tabernacle of David, which has fallen down;
I will rebuild its ruins,
And I will set it up;
17 So that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
Even all the Gentiles who are called by My name,
Says the Lord who does all these things.’[b]
18 “Known to God from eternity are all His works.[c] 19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God,
>therefore I judge
>>77855987
>She doesn't even come close to how Important Jesus is. That's not disrespectful, that's just a fact
We agree
>if I met her
You will :)
>>77856039
believe what you want, if you have faith in your heart that you are doing what is good, may God be the judge
>>77848896
>Christian General
>christian
>majority of posters are catholics or orthodox
>>77855987
She is so important she's considered a cause of salvation by early Christian, Irenaeus. Protshitd should leave
>>77854043
Implying it isn't just the second coming of Christ
>>77856246
Protestants are crypto-Muslims, so what do you expect?
>>77856246
There were protestants in the last one, but they got too angry to continue and left.
They lack patience.
>>77856104
>Source
Acts of the apostles. It isn't explicit but pretty clear imo. This plus the rock word, the keys and the sheep it seems undoubtable to me that Peter is the authority in the church.
>They said they now allowing divorced couple to recive communion
Yeah
>and they didin't make any condition
No that's not what I understood. It must be with special "permit" from the priest if it serves the family.
>>77856246
Explain this shitface >>77849982
>>77855822
Well tell me, how comes Poland is still a cesspool with foreigner's forced labour in 2016 ?
>>77856316
Jesus is the cause of salvation. Not Mary
>>77856316
Also Peter is considered like Adam read it somewhere
>>77855822
The usual shill explanation: As a reaction of 40 years of Francoism blablabla.
The actual story is that liberalism was imposed by foreign powers using of conspiration and treason. Masons did everything they could to destroy our social structures and we as a people never actually agreed with all that.
As a reaction, traditionalism grow really strong, but also anarchism and later marxism tried to make their revolution.
We stopped it and had 40 years of the best goverment we've had in 2 centuries: Franco's goverment. After the CIA killed his successor the globalist seized all media, public education etc., fueling our historical anticapitalism with stupidity and hatred for our own country (pretty much what happens in the US where they've teached to hate "white people").
>>77856185
That's not a verdict it's his opinion. Also don't rely too much on this since it isn't orthodox teaching that the bishop of Jerusalem has authority over other bishops
>>77855636
Pardon me for not being aware, but how so?
>>77856541
Mary is also a cause of it doofus
>>77856435
>This plus the rock word,
All Apostles are rocks
>the keys
All Apostles are given the power to bind and loose
> and the sheep
This is a duty all bishops have (1 Peter 5:1-2)
Notice Peter just appeals as a FELLOW ELDER (presbyter, which was the same thing as epoiskopos--bishop--back then), not as high priest. Imagine the Pope today saying, "I appeal as a fellow bishop."
>>77855987
What kind of son talks about his mother that way?
John 19 26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home.
>>77856435
>Acts of the apostles. It isn't explicit but pretty clear imo. This plus the rock word, the keys and the sheep it seems undoubtable to me that Peter is the authority in the church.
It's debatable.
>No that's not what I understood. It must be with special "permit" from the priest if it serves the family.
Yeah and we both know how valid germans priest are. Every priest will give they permit under no conditions. I even heard in germany there is a parish where a priest is blessing gay couples. And authorities are not reacting.
>>77856645
First off the whole shitty view that Jaysus pays for sins instead of God actually forgiving human beings. Another is how God plays with humans as his puppets, endows upon them the illusion of self determination and blames them for sin yet God was the one who caused it! Absurd!
>>77856699
>Peter literally means rock
>You are Peter and I will give you the keys to heaven
>All Apostles are given the power to bind and loose
Yeah all within the church of Christ lead by Peter
>Imagine the Pope today saying, "I appeal as a fellow bishop."
Literally what Papa Francisco does.
>>77856637
If that's the case what makes you believe Peter could just waltz into Jerusalem and have authority over James?
>>77848896
>tfw you get to heaven and God is a total bro but everyone in the first covenant era misconstrued everything he said
>>77856779
No one in the old testament uses the term "mother" when talking to their mother.
>>77856664
Cool story. Mary was lucky to be chosen by God and I'm sure she's very grateful to have given birth to the savior of Mankind. I obviously respect Mary for her part. She is not the savior of humanity though
>>77856892
ah man you aren't a believer, you just want disturb, and you are telling people to go catholics, LOL
>>77856841
>It's debatable.
Agree.
>I even heard in germany there is a parish where a priest is blessing gay couples
Literally impossible. And wrong
No hate but this seems more like "/pol/ facts" than actual facts
>>77856965
"The Church was founded upon Peter: although elsewhere the same is attributed to all the Apostles, and they all receive the keys of the kingdom of heaven."
-Saint Jerome
>>77855987
How about you learn to sound like an individual and not like a fat piece of shit drone that spouts the generic shit he heard from some hack on daystar tv.You are the worst poster in this thread.
Don't proteshits proud themselves for not being drones, for being active "rational" beliebers?
But I forgive you, I pray that you'll open up your heart to the Lord, that you will let the Spirit flow through your shitpipes and lead you to the right path, god bless :)
>>77856892
Ah, I see. It must differ from church to church. The church I attend is methodist, and they mention both the forgiveness of christ as well as seeking repentance from god.
>>77856357
you worship a drawing made by a man in roughly 2003. i fucking hate this whole board
>>77851491
They started naming their kids Ezekiel and Zachary and whatnot
>>77857131
>all that post
it's like pottery
>>77856970
That he is the rock on which the church is built.
You are overstating the issue. The infallibility of the pope is ONLY on theological matters. And even then he must not teach heresy. And even then the holy ghost could step in and prevent heresies.
>>77856779
In what way? Is Mary close to being as important as Jesus, the Son of God? Is that what you're saying? I already said I respect her, and I love her. Just stating facts. I don't know why they trigger people so much and why people focus so heavily on Mary instead of Jesus
>>77851605
Inb4 someone posts bad folk music from the 70s. That crap doesn't outweigh Schubert and Palestrina
>>77856581
Too bad pic related faggot betrayed Franco's legacy.
>>77856503
Do you understand the point of Protestantism?
>>77857131
I love the Lord with my whole heart. I don't know why you're so angry
>>77857127
Yeah but what since they separated from the church of Peter?
>>77857131
Also what don't you agree with? The fact that there's other people share my opinion? I don't know what day star t.v. is by the way
>>77857418
If one of its core doctrines can't even be found in Christianity's infancy and contradicts it. It's safe to say it's all bs
>>77857467
Every bishop's diocese is the Church of Peter. Peter was simply the first bishop to be ordained. The Church of Peter is the one sees dogma as unchanging instead of "evolving".
>>77855029
If it makes you feel better the Old Catholics who broke away after Vatican I have women priests and are extremely liberal.
>>77857206
Hahaha. The Prots can't even agree on Jesus
>>77857338
Because you cannot be as close to Christ without truly loving and cherishing the Theotokos more honorable than the cherubim and more glorious beyond compare than the Seraphim.
>>77857579
This. Faith alone is explicitly condemned in scripture. Prostantatism has no credibility
>>77848896
I'm glad the Orthodox Church is sticking to its guns. The last thing we need is another branch of Christianity falling to the LGBTXQ25SRYetc. social justice bullshit they have re-branded as
"progressiveness"
>>77857051
She of course is according to the early church based on Irenaeus and the whole New Eve motif in some sense. Stay mad shitdick
>>77857652
>Every bishop's diocese is the Church of Peter. Peter was simply the first bishop to be ordained
I disagree
>The Church of Peter is the one sees dogma as unchanging
So catholicism?
>>77857115
>Literally impossible. And wrong
http://www.pch24.pl/niemiecki-jezuita-profesor--blogoslawilem-homo-zwiazki--blogoslawie-i-bede-blogoslawil,39982,i.html
Title: German proffesor jesuit - I've blessed homo couples and i will continue this.
source:mathias-von-gersdorff.blogspot.de
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/german-catholic-days-festival-plays-host-to-homosexual-activists
And pope and bishops are not reacting.
