Pol is it true that religion have been a huge rock over history slowing all technological progress down? Leaving the human race 100 of years behind in technolgy from were we should have been without religion?
This is what i have been thouget all the time in school with none stop shilling.
Is it true redpill me. And please go in to deapth if you can.
>>73840479
No. Science was born out of religion and some of the greatest advancements in history were made by Christian scientists.
>>73840580
Can you say some?
>>73840479
totally , you cant even argue against it , if we in last 100 year had a total civilization population into science , i dont even want to think about it because its really sad .
Its like we have 1% or less of world population that is currently practicing science now .
Just think about the young population in middle east that is wasted in war and Islam .And its 2016
cant argue , no way
>>73840748
Newton. Bacon. Lemaitre.
>>73840748
Sir isaac newton was fiercely devout and he's one of the father's of physics. The big bang theory was also presented by a scientist
>>73841486
>. The big bang theory was also presented by a scientist
I meant a bishop. Sorry for typo.
>>73840479
Religion is a social mechanism that allow humans to expand their 'us' group to include people that believe the same way you do.
When you see someone worshipping, making the same sacrifices, etc, it much easier to say they are one of 'us' as opposed to one of 'them'.
Some theories, particulary those surrounding Gobekli Tepi, have religion coming before the argricultural revolution. Some think that without religion, there couldn't have been a civilization.
>>73841200
>cant argue , no way
see
>>73841486
>>73841541
>>73841610
pic related, here's a prime example of portal teleportation to travel parallel universes
>>73841200
But what about the first universities being made inside of christianity as a place to study god and the bibel?
And what about the misioneries going to land far away and acting like cartographers.
And what about the Vatican archeives containing alot of seientific inventions?
>>73841541
are you saying that our consciousness as civilization is limited to religion?
I dont think so at all and you need to start thinking about aliens and dna programing...
>>73841774
The vast majority of scientific discoveries have come from inside Christianity. When I say vast majority I'm talking upwards of 95%. This is empirical observation. Your argument is hypothetical of what you think would be if things were totally different, with no empirical value.
>>73841840
sure and meanwhile
>>73841840
Christianity allowed for the theories that God made a universe governed by laws rather than whim.
Besides that, who else but a monk would have the time to figure out hereditary genetics.
>>73840479
without a purpose to existence, progress is a meaningless term. to say that technological progress has been held back assumes that our human purpose is to advance technology. in what holy book is such a directive written? none that i can think of.
>>73842000
not an argument
>>73841954
If you notice the first alchimists were the Arabs and Chinese the closest to science back in the day and that was big tabboo for church , so your claim is not based on actual reality .
Simple.
Religion is very useful tool to promote and maintain social cohesion.
It was a way to explain the phenomena that occurred around them, promote morality, and prevent humans' natural degenerate behaviors from coming out.
Personally, I think it's fine to believe in a God/gods. However, literal interpretations of religious texts are a cancer.
>>73841901
>i'm incapable of understanding that consciousness and civilization are different
>BRO ALIENS
what is wrong with you portugal
>>73842200
>he doesn't know what majority means
pointing out a few things discovered outside Christianity does not counter my statement that the vast majority of discoveries come from inside Christianity.
The majority of what Alchemists believed turned out to be wrong anyways
>>73842015
allowed?
hahaha ok let us allow you pleb first we need to talk with god and jesus, maybe next decade?
>>73840479
No, regardless of whether you fundamentally believe in a deity or not, the factors that cause humans to do so, even removed completely from religious context, will drive people to put their faith and superstition in other things. Its nearly impossible for humans to remove themselves completely from irrational thought or dogma. If all you believe in is 'science' then you will have those who missuse science as a surrogate for their religion and become dogmatic about their particular belief.
You can see this in many ways in the scientific community, where typically positive results are published and negative discarded. Certain fields of research are deemed inappropriate and ignored for their inconvenient truths, etc.
This doesn't reflect on religion so much as it is a reflection on humanity, who will take something good and pervert or corrupt it to their own ends and to put their own mind at ease.
>>73842078
>>>73840479 (OP) (You)
>without a purpose to existence, progress is a meaningless term. to say that technological progress has been held back assumes that our human purpose is to advance technology. in what holy book is such a directive written? none that i can think of.
Hahaha what?
If technolgy is held back it's held back. Maybe it isen't our purpose to get more advanced but you wrote holding back technolgy dosen't mean that technolgy was held back. That is le reddit lvl.
>>73840479
yes and it's not necessarily a bad thing, since normie religion prevents mass chimpouts that would be apocalyptic with powerful technology.
>inb4 but muh Islam
not a normie religion, it's an invasion and conquest cult
>>73842345
Sure, allowed. Christianity was a major philosophical revolution. Belief that God/s bend reality to suit their whim was widespread. The idea that even God follows the rules of our temporal world (Jesus crucified) was an epiphany
>>73842085
argument for what ?That person being tortured could have been a great scientist . Thats how you stop human mind , consciousness and technological advances.
>>73842200
You know alchemy has deep and inaccurate occultist roots right? Theories built around humors and elements, balancing chi and chakras. The fundamental methods would eventually go on to be useful, but there is a reason chemistry changed its name to distance itself from that.
We evolved in science and technology...for what?to fap to 3d porn of a cartoon character ,or to live in a world where narcissism and nihilism (which eventually ends up making folks blowing their brains out)and where no one would care or have compassion for each other which later will destroy or cripple our race ....what would you have a simple loving yet fulfilled life or a luxrious yet dissatisfied life
Also,when we get to much knowledge we can't handle ...we get depressed or unable to live blissfully for example redpills "I want off this ride"
>>73842336
exact i dont need your backwards "philosophy" to have consciousness of the universe
>>73840479
Most people are so fucking dumb, backwards, and ruled by their emotions that they need a healthy dose of brainwashing just to act out their lives in a moral way.
>>73842756
How do you not understand that consciousness does not equate to a civilization or culture?
>>73842200
That isn't science.
>>73841901
No, I'm saying that if you look at the archeological record of Gobekli Tepe, religion and temple building seems to have come before agriculture and city building. It seems that religion played a major role in hunter/gatherer's coming together for the first time as a united group. There are some theories that suggest without this first religion and temple building we wouldn't have progressed to where we are at all. It seems like the religion is what gave rise to agriculture (to feed the returning worshippers) and cities (with knowledge learned from the temple building). The cite I'm reffering to is in southern turkey and is around 11,000 years old. It predate any know agricultural site or civilization by a few thousand years. There is also some evidence that the animal dieties being carved at Gobekli Tepe are virtually identical to animal deities being used in later civilizations like Egypt for example.
>>73842652
Even newton was into alchemy fool , and its heresy btw plus gunplower is originated from the chinese by trying into alchemy...
alchemy from the arab al -AL
>>73840748
stupid swede tard.
Who do you think read and wrote all the fucking books before the invention of printing ?
It was the monk and the religious you stupid fuck, while mongrel like you were busy killing and looting, or at the best, counting its shekels
>>73842905
like religion... you get my point
>>73842996
*gunpowder
Take the Absurdism pill pol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absurdism
>>73840479
That painting gives me peace.
>>73840479
>Pol is it true that religion have been a huge rock over history slowing all technological progress down? Leaving the human race 100 of years behind in technolgy from were we should have been without religion?
No, because for all its ills, we would have never gotten past the stage of the biggest people smashing the smallest over the head with rocks if we didn't scare them into submission.
Sweden is really fucking dumb tonight.
>>73843098
No one ever said it was.
The point is that some of the greatest scientists have been religious and science only came about because of the Church. These are facts.
>>73840479
the church was pretty much equivalent to modern day universities.
we are in the year 2016 alsmot 2020 , we have thounsands of children being purged by religion and you people have the the face of a cunt to claim religion did any good to science
get out fucking parasites
>>73842731
Technolgy is realy a savior. Just think of all the comforts you have now, movies, games, sports etc. Technolgy have improved our lives and moved us away from squalor. You hate on india for shiting on the streets. Think of going back to being a farmer on the country side without runing water and electrisity only way of cleaning yourself is a bath in the salty ocean or wating for rain to fill up enhouge water to bath. You would smel likel shit all the time and feel dirty. And think about always having shit in your as after taking a dump without a good way to clean it of until bath time that could take a week or two to come by. And deaceses must have been discusting. No you should be happy about our technological progress.
This Portuguese poster has talked about aliens and "DNA programming" and his been BTFO on literally every point he's tried to make. There's really no point in humoring him anymore
>>73843708
Except an unimaginable vast improvement compared to today.
No one would be able to make it through what they had to go through.
>>73840479
>Christians create universities and colleges
>A Muslim created the scientific method
>Somehow holding back technology
>>73843735
>claim religion did any good to science
A claim baked up by evidence. Actual history. Not edgy hypothetical, we claim Religion did good for science because THAT'S WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED
>>73843050
Hahaha
>>73840479
terrible, despicable ignorance regarding european history anon.
after the fall of the roman empire (destroyed via invading warring pagans and the people were too distracted by "bread and circuses" to notice) western europe became illiterate save for the secluded irish monasteries and isolated greeks that invented books (codices) and it was them that re-educated europe
>thinks that "dark ages" is an accurate name for the middle ages
>>73843847
A muslim didn't create the scientific method.
>>73840479
let's just say that the only use left for christianity is to fight islam. it's pretty sad.
yeah if the whole world was a single intelligent ethnicity, then we wouldn't need religion. I think some of the super smart and kind and giving nations but low religion (like sweden) cucked themselves with niceness. But let's be honest, if we could abolish the scum of the earth, we wouldn't need and want religion, like the smart white nations realized already.
>>73844015
http://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2014/03/the_muslim_scientist_who_birthed_the_scientific_method.html
>Ibn al-Haytham
>>73843050
Right anon. Uni even started at the monasteries.
kek. Me, a burger, even knows more about European history than a Swedecuck.
>>73843882
are you trying to troll me ?
the legacy of you religion made this in the current times
http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Cubs-of-the-Caliphate-ISIS-recruits-400-children-since-January-394908
They want revenge and this is 400 potentional minds advancing scinece but religion says that first they need to die for there god...
Tell you crusade fantasy will boost science in witch sense?
>>73844145
The method has been around since the inception of Science itself.
He conducted experiments, he did not come up with the method.
>>73844258
>He still can't counter the truth that the majority of scientific advancement in history has been done by religion so he changes the topic entirely to some irrelevant bad thing religion has done
The majority of scientific advancement has come from Religion. Fact. You cannot refute this
>>73844145
>Aristotle
>>73844233
What you destroyed.
Caling me a cuck.
Hang yourself.
>>73844426
>>73840479
Islam itself set back progress hundreds of years in its conquests and destruction of Roman African, Spain, and the Levant. I bet electricity would have been invented before 1000AD barring Islam.
Islam seriously fucked up modern civilization and their 12 centuries of continuing to do so were simply forgotten once the west got militarily more advanced.
Through my continued studies into a variety of religious text. The current I am reading, Book of Enoch, it states very clearly that there are three very important figures in our history that come before end timed. First would be the Son of man, which has come and gone as a messiah for Him, the Holy Spirit. The second would be, The Elected one, which could be the one we are seeing in the current. The third is still of mystery, it is talked of being an angel of Satan, a woman. It says we will know of her as she will sit on the throne of Him and then we will see the end of times.
Keep in mind, God, the Holy Spirit cast down his angels that rebelled to Earth so that they may guide humans as Olympic deities. With the corruption of those angels, seducing women and sleeping with them, procreated damned ones, the Holy Spirit cast them from earth and sent them to the pits of fire.
Now think of current times, how women lead those into hypocritical speech against Him in a way to misguide man to turn away from the teachings of the Holy Spirit.
But worry not, it is not just for those that follow the word that has been written in his name, the Holy Spirit, but those that are righteous and do not stray from the path of truth. Connect this to what you see today and understand that those that stay committed to this righteous path will be blessed and find redemption from when the messiah comes with the Ten Thousand seeking to purge the earth of all sinners and foolish after their judgement and brought to second earth under second heaven.
Search for this wisdom yourself in the texts of the divine, the book of Judah speaks of Enoch, the seventh son of Adam. Enoch, who came before the times of Noah and spoke of Christianity before the Christian era. The truth will set you free.
>>73844015
you know what's sad is how Hagia Sophia was a marvel of engineering that enabled other feats of architecture to be built,
but then ottoman turks took it over and to this day ancient mosaics are covered in plaster that we can't even touch and have never SEEN WITH OUR EYES
OP is an idiot, generalizing every religion like they haven't changed and are all identical
>what was/is iconoclasm
>>73844378
you are basically acting like a parasite because science is physics it is the universe it has no roots it is the universe intelligence .It was there way before we exist as species .
Religion was invented by us not science...
Physiscs were not invented , they were there all the time waiting to be undersanted.
>>73844631
I think you would be interested in reading the book of Adam judging by the prophecies you've just stated.
>10/10
Stimulates the senses
>>73844419
>Aristotle
>aristotelian method
>same as scientific method
>one is a controlled method the other isn't
wew
>>73840479
Here's your god damn redpill:
You ask a group of people who are mostly non-religious and they will mostly tell you yes.
You ask a group of people who are mostly religious and they will tell you no.
(You) will believe whomever you most closely identify with because of selection bias.
Now go fucking kill yourself since you are implying that we should incorporate or remove religion from society based on its impact on technological progress or not which is the one of the most intellectually dishonest actions we can take.
What holds us back with regard to religion or atheism when it comes to societal progress is that idiots will exclaim that they """""""know"""""" that their is a god/deity/pantheon of deities/ai super computer/concious cosmos or that there isn't and then they expect and request that other people accept their """""""knowledge""""""" as fact
Although Muslims do need to fuck off and die. Fuck those goat fuckers.
>>73844879
Yes science did not invent the laws of the universe, only discovered observed and defined them, and this was done historically by the religions. That's historical fact.
You are basically acting like an idiot because this is not opinion, it's what has happened in history yet you keep trying to dodge it and change the topic because you know you're wrong.
>>73844346
>Ibn al-Haytham (Alhazen), 965–1039 Iraq. A polymath, considered by some to be the father of modern scientific methodology, due to his emphasis on experimental data and reproducibility of its results.
>>73842996
>t. Alberto Barbosa
you know what?
I realize something.
It isn't a religion thing.
It's a race thing.
>>73844085
You'd still want it. You'd just change its form. You'd worship science, some lofty ideal or simply be superstition in other ways (See diehard sportsfans)
You can't get rid of it, consider it a 'glitch' in being human but you'd have a better chance of teaching people not to breathe.
>>73845123
>considered by some
Bacon perfected the method, no one else.
>>73845008
I suppose it takes a genius of a dune coon to do that. Were they trying to see which Christians head would fall faster using the same sword?
>>73845303
you're a useful idiot who attempts to reduce everything into binary states so that your fucking infant brain can process ideas
it's not one or the other its a little of everything you fucking retard
>>73845041
Better act and idiot then a moral coward parasite religious ignorant like yourself that suports crusades and the purge of 400 young minds converted to religion of islam in the current days
So it is very stupid from you having proud that religion had to surrender to physics and science .
Same way that the pope said in a crisis of aids
in the 90's that people would go to hell for wearing condom.
Now they had to embrace those condom
Is the curch now a condom converted? Do you accept the condom in your life now?
>>73845364
Not an argument
>>73845533
I'm glad you've finally admitted the Religious have been the ones advancing science. Thank you for coming around
>>73845545
Arguably though Aristotle did have more of a significant impact due to his influence on naturalist thought.
2016 , young links being prepared for another science class
>>73840479
No, it was the barbarian invasions
>>73845447
dang, i liked your 1st post
been watching a little too much william L. pierce
if there's ever been a common theme across history and its consistent formulaic crap i wouldn't consider it religious but a cultural thing. which usually correlates with race, but america is different because blacks grew along with us and influenced the greatest entertainers of our time pre-ww2.
would you be satisfied if i called it "culture" instead of race? that fit within your comfort zone?
>>73845986
no it didnt at all you just maybe used physics and science but you did not invented it , you tried to use it and failed badly cause you spent all your riches in the crusades.
And put mankind in the anus of type 0 civilization
I just dont understand why you need to paratise physics but believe its gonna be your own trap...
>>73846040
>>73846282
2016 ready to advance civilization and science
>>73846254
The Religious advanced science further than any group in humanity. Much more than non Religious. This is historical fact. You saying they didn't is just out right objectively wrong. This is not a matter of opinion it's a matter of history.
>>73841486
Jesus Christ, that autism
>>73840479
No. Failing to balance faith in the unseen and reason is what caused technology to grind to a halt at times.
>>73840479
It doesn't only apply to Christianity, but yes religions largely condemn questioning their contents. When their contents include explanations for everything around you then that means questioning everything around you is condemned.
Islam is a pinnacle example. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDAT98eEN5Q
Most notably in Christianity the argument is that we shouldn't research 'X' because that would be playing god.
>>73840479
The same trend is noticeable in the scientific realm: research here is for its own sake far more than for the partial and fragmentary results it achieves; here we see an ever more rapid succession of unfounded theories and hypotheses, no sooner set up than crumbling to give way to others that will have an even shorter life - a veritable chaos amid which one would search in vain for anything definitive, unless it be a monstrous accumulation of facts and details incapable of proving or signifying anything. We refer here of course to speculative science, insofar as this still exists; in applied science there are on the contrary undeniable results, and this is easily understandable since these results bear directly on the domain of matter.
The profane sciences of which the modern world is so proud are really and truly only the degenerate ‘residues’ of the ancient traditional sciences.
[Modern scientific] theories can necessarily never be more than hypothetical, since their starting-point is wholly empirical, for facts in themselves are always susceptible of diverse explanations and so never have been and never will be able to guarantee the truth of any theory.
René Guénon
>>73846385
the religious advanced science further then any group in society here are the 2016 army of scientists get ready for those advances
>>73840748
Darwin, Maxwell, Mendel.
Basically the only atheist ones were jews. Ironic isn't it?
>>73846385
how can a group that was practicing inquisition to the ones that were against the mainstream science of the flat earth theory made advances in anything
the church burned people alive dude potentional scientists were burned alive
for me is absolutly disgusting
but if you endorse this what can i do ..
you are the majority the church you win , even if you are making everyone losing
>>73846254
>spent all your riches in the crusades
lmao
literally insignificant in comparison to the rest of christianity (holy roman emperors, early christianity influenced by the greeks, monasticism, the reformation, byzantine, new world colonization and every european country prior 1960..)
the catholics are the niggers of the christian world and you're a cuck for grouping them together like they've been one single entity for those thousands of years
>>73846521
yea because you still cant turn gold in to wine
>>73846254
If it weren't for the crusades you wouldn't have a country
>>73847196
Great post.
>>73847093
2016 and you have crusades fantasy's in your inner dreams ... and you know it you crave purge and war , all your emotions all your psyche are screaming right now
your mind craves blood of young links for science off course
>>73847196
it would save me so much shame...
>>73847485
>shame of something you had no control over
>>73846632
>the religious advanced science further then any group in society
Glad you're admitting it finally
>>73847083
Because they did. It's not up for debate, it isn't an opinion, and it's non arguable. It's simply what happened in history.
>>73847583
Sorry for the words but they are trying to paint a reality that i dont agree at all .
>>73847719
Look you have to understand that im not discarting the fact religious groups studied science.
Im just trying to say that maybe were are not more advanced as species as civilization because of this abstract concepts we call religion
>>73840479
It's an extremely complicated question that spans several millennium of human thought and experience. It does not have a simple answer, especially because the concepts of 'technological progress' were still developing in the minds of people living through those times.
Religion was originally the conceptual foundation stone in our mind of the state. The Roman Pagan Republic and Empires both used religious ceremony and traditional, earnestly believed in the minds of its people, to form the Roman state and outline its cultural and political objectives. The advent of Christianity to the Roman system was fairly harmonious and internally motivated shift, not an external subjugation. In this period, science and culture and anything you could call technological progress flourished under the protective eye and patronage of this Roman Christian Empire.
The origin of what we would call religious intolerance, the persecution of people that acted heretically to orthodox belief, was already underway in this time. But it's important to understand this wasn't against the Greek ideas of logic and rationalism, which flourished under this system, it was a theological argument over the nature of the Trinity, with deep underlying cultural, ethnic, and political roots. It wasn't unlike the religious intolerance of the original Pagan Roman State, which persecuted Christians for not respecting the Roman State as legitimate rulers of the people and custodians of the res publica.
The real religious violence that's unfortunately associated in our mind with Christianity came in the 600s when waves of tribal Muslim invaders conquered half the Roman world and began 500 years of piracy, enslavement, military tension, etc. The 'dark ages' was really an economic and social disconnection between the Latin speaking world and the Roman speaking world(which were before a truly united Greco-Roman society) due to the conflict with Islam.
>>73848137
I'm glad you've admitted it, even if it took you this long of spinning in circles.
The fact is we are where we are in science do in major part to religion. To say we'd be more advanced without it is not only meaningless hypothetical, it's in exact counter to the evidence. The evidence is history that religion has been advancing science, meaning to say we'd be more advanced without religion is in direct counter to the evidence we have. If you know shit about science you then realize how ridiculous it is to suggest we'd be further along without it.
>>73840479
I thought that was a picture of Gandalf and Saruman.
>>73848353
Latin and Greek* speaking worlds
>>73840479
The Catholic Church invented the scientific method. "Science" as such would not exist without Thomas Aquinas, Albert Magnus, William of Occam, etc
>>73848427
As I told you before, in the 90's there was a health crisis related with the aids hiv virus , and your master representative the Pope was making propaganda condemning the believers of God that they would burn in hell if they use that tool of evil.
In the current days is accepted and not a tabbu anymore , this says that they had to adapt to the science/technology of condoms .
So basically they have to adapt to the reality of this universe , you are trying to tell that religion was some sort of initiation in the study of the cosmos to try to explain our existence because our consciousness was limited to that . Does not make it the best way at all and the proof is that we face serious war because of religion in the current days.
And to mention that it is the biggest crisis since ever in religion history.
>>73848353
It was only during the 'Enlightenment', which ironically or perhaps suggestively began a process of forgetting true history, that the concept of a secular, religiously tolerant state appeared in or around Europe. This was an age when people questioned the institutions of the Church and tried to develop a society which had everything good the Church provided for them in terms of moral ideals, education, art, social services, e.g. their whole culture, while rejecting the authority of what had become somewhat vestigial religious institutions.
Ultimately, the secular organizations we see today act in nearly the exact same way that the original church did, providing a social contract, moral and cultural guidance, and use many of the traditional 'trappings of power' to appear legitimate in the eyes of the public. It may be our linguistic destiny to consider 'the state' in similar eyes to 'religion'.
tl;dr It's just politics
>>73849437
and science would not exist without physics and religion has nothing to do with physics or you gonna claim that too? Aren't you already satisfied with the reign of heaven?
>>73840580
Well, this is partially due to Christianity being a monolithic entity in the Western world for the last 1000 years.
Since China made many similar advances and often earlier it's tough to say what bearing Christianity had on the development.
It's like saying "many great discoveries were done by humans", this may be true, but it's hard to verify without confirming what other aliens have discovered.
>>73849454
As I've said before, you're dodging again. None of that is relevant to the fact saying we'd be more advanced without religion is stupid and counter to the evidence.
>>73851279
>It's like saying "many great discoveries were done by humans",
Its not true because the simulation was already here...
The universe simulation is older then us plus this galaxy exists you know how many millions of years?
Are you even serious because we humans invented shit we discover and combine elements , we did not invented atoms and dna
and all the universe language is there
>>73851339
if you say that in the current days religion is a advance for science I say it is not at all and more like a stone in the shoe .
I already presented evidences of young minds in 2016 that are being submited to war for religion , instead of having professional formation in the most advanced areas and having there own consciousness to explore things like science .
You sir aprove this pic related , and just because it is not your religion you gonna say its not religion now?
Take a good look to the picture all those persons consciousness and minds, all of them purged by religion . Is this the advances you expecting? Maybe to fullfil your crusade fantasy
>>73851642
That is only true if you take that some kind of intelligence built the universe and that intelligence counts as "an alien".
>>73852268
>if you say that in the current days religion is a advance for science
Is that what we were talking about? Is that what the thread is about?
no
also
Holy shit isis is bad?! I wonder if the rest of /pol/ knows about this! You've proven Religion is evil once and for all!
>>73852409
sorry im not understading your point.
I was just trying to say we did not invented electricity because it was already there, just an example.
>>73852538
if you say that in the current days religion is a advance for science
>Is that what we were talking about? Is that what the thread is about?
no
Op mention our civilization is 100 years technologic behind, i think op is being nice and its more like 1000 years behind
And about ISIS the Islamic State representative of Islam the religion with most followers in the world was a example of what religious fundamentalism can step back humanity if they control the majority same way mankind colective counsciouness was under the inquisition or do i need to mention your catholic religion and all the step backs they commited to humankind. Gosh you religion burned people alive for flat earth theory and you accept this as normal ok then
Im pretty sure that currently Syria and Iraq as countrys are having 0% participation in any sort of scientific projects go figure
Asatro wasn't that bad for sweden tho. Didn't really get in the way of anything.
>>73840580
Copernicus and Galileo didn't think so m8.
>>73840479
No you are a idiot to even think so
>>73840479
Im just going to leave this painting of Odin that looks like Hitler and is from the year hitler was born...
>>73854418
were are the advances in space exploration, FTL technology, nano technology ,quantum technology, uploading consciousness to virtual reality , immortality?
>>73854916
lol i just showed you a pic with the science christfag did and you mutter science fiction
AYYY
FUCKING
LMAO
>>73840479
Many albatrosses cause this "slowing down" effect on society. Think of how far technology could have gone by now without Microsoft ruling the OS market. There are many example like this throughout history. On the bright side, maybe these inferior main-stream products actually slowed down the inevitable end to us all.
>>73855203
science fiction...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5vOfr1dl4o
>>73840479
Churches and organized religion have been, yes.
Religion and spirituality itself? Not in the slightest.
>>73855222
a great example actually regarding the microsoft ruling os market but with that it has come more ideas and now you have free os like android and linux and more companys exploring technology because people in home were development apps and software
>>73855553
thank you bro because this people also cant distinguish religion from science and religions from spirituality...
Are you saying that religion hijacked spirituality?
>>73855445
oh wow i am teleporting data right now to you , offcourse things are possible ,until they are not
>>73855950
And go figure why you dont have them today...
In Human psychology is called delusion.
>>73856301
A simple look at this thread and everyone can see you're the epitome of delusion
>>73856496
You are ignorant as fuck and a moral coward
>>73841486
The question is whether religion has been a drag on technological advancement and the answer is yes.
The great scientists and mathematicians existed in times where religious belief was a requirement to not be outcast from society (or killed). And in fact religion held back much of their thoughts because they had to conform them to some form of god.
Newton's laws is one such idea.
Some of the best mathematicians and physicists also thought the idea of god complete nonsense. Like Laplace (more or less the grandfather of much higher calculus I.e differential equations).
>>73856770
You've been BTFO on every point you've tried to make this thread.
The day I give an atheists opinion on morality even the tiniest modicum of credit will be a very cold day in hell
>>73856856
>The question is whether religion has been a drag on technological advancement and the answer is yes.
Source: pulled directly out of your anus. The fact is the majority of scientific advancement has come from the Church. There is no basis at all for saying we'd be further a long without the church. That's simply a baseless statement. The fact reminds that most of our advancement came from the church and we have absolutely no way of knowing where we'd be in science without the church. It's a hypothetical with nothing backing it up and a ridiculous statement.
I have a question for you Christfags.
The Bible says that if I pray to God while having the faith of a mustard seed, then I can move entire mountains.
But I can't pray my dead cat back to life. Does that mean that I suck at prayer, or do mustard seeds just have an enormous amount of faith packed away in their DNA?
>>73856301
first refute the goal post idiot
>Pol is it true that religion have been a huge rock over history slowing all technological progress down?
>>73854418
>Now refute pic related
so god will reward you with not just one but 2 heavens, lucky bastard you are go suck on your mommy titties troll
and yes you are a moral coward
>>73857042
He was talking to his apostles who failed to banish a demon
>>73857042
It means trying to deconstruct a metaphor by taking it literally is grade 8 tier argument skills
>>73857051
there is nothing to refute , show your god now...
call him go tell him to send me a message by email saying he exists i dare you
>>73840479
You dont get through 100,000 years of survival hell and disorganized barbarity without religion. Especially in those final 4000 years.
>>73857294
once again
>he can't refute the point so he brings up something completely irrelevant
It's been your strategy this entire thread but just know it's not fooling anyone
>>73857023
Lol "the church" has hardly contributed anything to science.
Most of the scientists from "the church" simply had catholic parents. They could give less of a shit about religions.
Secondly you're ignoring the main question here, which is:
>Have religions held back scientific advancement?
The answer has to be yes since the vast majority of wars and genocide have been in the name of religion. Who knows how many other Newtons or einsteins lives were snuffed out too early?
>>73856888
yes yes, god is winning go girl you will win more then 1 heaven
>>73857294
Nah i rather see you in hell then make you a believer
>>73857386
dude what the fuck is wrong, were is your god , how can your almighty god cant use email to send me a message, i will wait one hour, ask him go
i need a email confirmation from your god.
>>73857390
>Lol "the church" has hardly contributed anything to science.
except for the fact the church is the reason Europe became literate, started the first university, started printing books, allowed people to devote their life to study and academia, and has produced most of the scientific discoveries from history. This is not an opinion this is fact. This is recorded in history
>>73857390
>The answer has to be yes
once again, according to you pulling the statement out of your ass. If you had even the tiniest bit of scientific thinking you'd know how stupid this statement is because it has absolutely zero evidence. Most scientific discovery came out of Religion, to say we'd have more discovery with less religions is absolutely baseless. There is nothing to this statement besides your own opinion which is worth zero in science.
>>73857443
you see you god hates people and science same way as you humanoid...
>>73857563
>If God is real then how come he hasn't told me? Check m8 christ fags
Here's your honorary degree in reddit atheism. Congratulations
>>73857443
eternal proof that religious people hate science and hate humankind and have zero respect for individual consciousness and for life itself, for them one being is nothing more then a tool of god
>>73857843
prove god exists...
Give evidence that God exists , besides the fantasys in your head .
>>73857682
>>73857858
I dont hate you i just dont want people like you in heaven.
so god created science and he hates it at the same time
if god created science his followers must love it also
>>73857958
>argue with a reddit atheist about God
No thanks, that's not what this thread is about. This thread has nothing to with whether or not God is real. But once again, because you've been defeated and proven wrong, you try to change the topic to something else not relevant.
>>73840479
It's verifiably false. People like to entertain this perception of the "Dark Ages" as being this horrible post-apocalyptic state created by religion, but that simply isn't true. Europe didn't become a shithole when it was Christianized--it was ALREADY a shithole, and Christianity's spread to its far corners marked the beginning of its gradual climb out of barbarism.
Now this would have probably happened either way, since the white race has always been superior to other peoples, but at the very least there is no evidence to suggest that religion was detrimental to the process.
>>73857390
That is incorrect. Most of the scientists from the Church were priests and monks, not simply Catholics. These people formed what was essentially the intelligensia of the day.
>The answer has to be yes since the vast majority of wars and genocide have been in the name of religion.
Categorically, verifiably false. The vast majority of wars have been fought over land, and the very few genocides that have actually been performed were also performed over land.
>>73842345
You need to practice your English, religious history, and argumentative writing skills.
>>73858044
haha i dont hate you i just dont want to share with you the great place of god , i dont think jesus aproves it dude
>>73858068
cant prove it hihi
>>73842620
All the new killed by Mohammed also could've been great scientists.
The aristocrats and others killed in the jakobian reign of terror could've been great scientists.
The intellectuals forced into gulags in Soviet Russia / communist China were/could have been great scientists.
Loss of potential is a pointless argument.
>>73843847
You're thinking about algebra, not the scientific method.
>>73858163
>religious history
murder , crusades, rape, murder , kill , inquisition
as a human i have many things to master, for me we jump quick to master immortality
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqzq01i2O3U
No
>>73858249
Well i belief that some people belong to hell if you want to be saved ask god your self , Iam not going to do that for you, someone else is not going to do it for you, and science is not going to do it for you
>>73840479
Religion is the reason humans stopped being nomadic barbarians with little to no written language. I mean, yes it is possible to have scientific research as a nomadic culture, and yes its possible to advance without a written language, but to say that having the two does not accelerate the process is being rather obtuse.
>>73858370
If you condionate the mind of a young person it is really a loss of potential if you take them the school and studies and send them to war.
How about the money spended in war that would be well invested in medicine and the technological advances of medicine for example
The united states had cutted budget for nasa in order to supplly war in middle east
But if you want to have right by force no prob
>>73858806
There is only 1 thing that i need to be saved from..
humans
>>73858740
nice video brazil bro
>>73858860
you are religious so its no point , you will always defende your flag
its inparcial as fuck
again ...the Islamic state rings a bell on you?
>>73859064
then kill your self
>>73840479
NORTH KOREA PUTTING NUKES ON CHINAS BORDERS COLD WAR NOWWWWWWWWWWWWW
>>73853410
>>73853410
>>73853410
>>73853410
>>73840479
nah the greatest scientists in all of history where christian.
>>73859064
>I need protection from humans
>>73858970
>war is pointless and we should not spend money to defend ourselves
endwar open border fags are the worst
>>73858860
http://www.zerocensorship.com/t/uncensored-isis-execution/180384-new-isis-dragging-execution-graphic-video#axzz48Ve14HXe
oh really you stupid fuck
>>73847083
>inquisition to the ones that were against the mainstream science of the flat earth theory made advances in anything
....
You do realize that no one actually believed that in medieval times and really any ancient times since Socrates right? That was a popularization of a comical thought from a Charles Dickens book.
http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2013/05/people-in-columbus-time-did-not-think-the-world-was-flat/
The actual debate at the time between secular and Religious sources was not what shape Earth was (both agreed it was a sphere), but rather how large said sphere was.
>>73859209
why for me everything is ok ...
are you sure you are religious ?are you christian?
>>73859305
I dont fear you disgusting creature...
>>73857958
Here's the rub. No one can convince you of anything you are not already well on your way to be being convinced of.
>>73859404
So there was no inquisition over who was the true god...
>>73859585
And you shouldn't. I'm a good, honest, loving Catholic. Just pointing out your immediate contradicting yourself
>>73840479
It has advanced us in many ways, but it would probably be best to abandon it at this stage.
>>73859491
>There is only 1 thing that i need to be saved from..humans
why for me everything is ok ...
seems you are not oke since you have problems with humans , either kill your self ,or go live in the woods
are you sure you are religious ?are you christian?
i belief in god and that jesus christ his son walked this earth does this make me a christfag?
>>73859596
and ? life goes on the atoms will exist over your death corpse too
>>73859761
more like a hypocrite to me
>>73859877
>i belief in god and that jesus christ his son walked this earth does this make me a christfag?
Basically yes. That's the fundamental belief of Christianity, and it's the only actual requirement to being saved according to the bible.
>>73857674
>the church was the reason Europe
Wrong. Rome, Greece, basically all of the ancient cities existed long before the horseshit of "the church" came there.
Where is this "most" of which you speak? Most discoveries came from people independent of religion and again, not tied to the church in anyway except parents.
>>73860016
How so?
>>73859877
You see how you quick turn things your way the religious way...
Since when ive prob with humans, i just stated that i dont trust humans period . Is that moraly wrong ?
Why you say someone to kill himself, i rather join the devil then be a weak suicidal cunt like yourself typical human weak
>>73860059
humz satan beliefs in god and beliefs that his son walked this earth
>>73860177
>Wrong. Rome, Greece, basically all of the ancient cities existed long before the horseshit of "the church" came there.
Yes, and meanwhile the Europeans were barbarian savages. Then the church came and civilized them and they became the leaders of the world lasting up until present day.
>Where is this "most" of which you speak?
I posted a nice little starter list here>>73841486
, but it's obviously not complete. It's historical fact that science was done by monks and priests in the church up until the modern age.
>>73859181
>You have a different opinion than me so there is no point in arguing with you since you want yours to be right so your wrong
I could the same of you.
>>73859386
Okay.
How does that counter my point that civilization rose as a result of the state? In fact how does that do anything except attempt to shock your opponent into submission with moral outrage instead of a logical argument.
You sure your not religious m8? Cause your making the same argument types that fundamentalist groups use.
>>73859696
That wasn't what I said. You seem to have a loose grip on communication. I corrected you in the assertion that there was a large argument over whether the Earth was flat or not back in medieval times, which is simply untrue.
>>73860313
Interesting point. I guess when you said his son walked the earth I also assumed you meant he believed he died for all of humanities sins, which is the required belief. I realize now you didn't say the last part.
>>73860415
oh boy serious dude please as much as it looks that im trying to appeal your emotions with the video, my motive was really to say that in current times we have this from religion
nothing more
why you need to argue
>>73860738
>comparing Isis to Christianity
You should try comparing something to the Nazis and the holocaust next.
>>73860243
>You see how you quick turn things your way the religious way...
What does that have anything to do with religion ,you should just kill your self before you hurt other people
>Since when ive prob with humans, i just stated that i dont trust humans
no you stated that you needed to be saved from humans. Who the fuck trust humans? as a devil you wont recognize other devils
it was fun friend i will probably see you down below.
>>73840748
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christians_in_science_and_technology
>>73860843
but we are talking about religion arent we?
why you want to separate waters ?
And the isis is the result of old religious war...
Basically christianity provoked this with the crusades, they want revenge now after 800 years
>>73860385
Oh my fucking...this list is a majority of exactly what I've stated twice already.
But lets try this again:
>DUE TO THE DOGMA AND PRESENCE OF THE CHURCH AT THE TIME, IF THEY DID NOT FIND SOME WAY TO RECONCILE THEIR SCIENCE WITH RELIGIOUS BELIEFS, THEY WOULD BE SEEN AS HERETICS.
Galileo had been threatened to never have his work published for fuck's sake.
Also, Rome, Greece etc were developed cities and nations.
>European savages.
WHAT??
Please stop.
>>73860870
First you neeed a psychologist and mental treatment because your mind is obcessed with suicide, and you are projecting that in a public forum for everyone to see
this is a good reasos to not trust humans , you just give a example how your words have no humanity and you are being extreme ignorant
I love many humans starting with the scientists and medics
But that we cant trust humans like yourself we cant, any human being would agree with me.
Whats your religion?
>>73840479
As much as I dont like religion the fact that it did exist actually gave us a boost in the science field.
Religion was a great tool for making people socialise and talk about their ideas.
>>73861048
Rome and Greece were developed cities and nations. At that time, the rest of Europe was barbarian savages. The North, Scandinavia, Brittan, were not developed except for the roman presence there. Are you denying the Gauls Suebi, Iberians, Illyrians, Thracians. ext were savages? They were illiterate and could hardly form a society larger than loose seperate tribes.
When Rome fell Europe was sent into a Chaotic time with an enormous power vacuum. This is when Christianity came in and as it spread began to civilize the land. As it spread the nations that adopted it slowly became literate, became more united, and started to form functioning societies in the more modern sense of the world. The Christian era in Europe is when Europe really started to rocket into leaders and the most successful civilization on earth which is what we are currently apart of.
Can you have an argument without
>OH MY GOD ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!
>LIKE REALY?!?!
>ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?!! OMG I CANNOT ACTUALLY BELIEVE
>>73861347
same way as war , as much i dont like war it gave boost to advance technology we have today , for example the internet
If you count religion as neolithic age paganism, which you should, then I would say without a religious cohesion in terms of science and technology, much of the world would look like the savage wilderness of the Americas in the 1600's.
>>73860738
Annnd you shift the argument again. My original answer to the OP had nothing to do with with religion in any form now. It was answering the question of whether religion has been anathema to scientific advancement to which I said no since religion is responsible for ending nomadic culture and bringing about a written language and foundation and justification of nation states (i.e. Civilization) to exert power. Any sort of drag religious belief had on scientific progress is severally outweighed by how fast its existence accelerated it and allows it to continue to grow by functioning as a glue that prevents the vast majorities of normies from being raiders and burning down the libraries.
>>73861563
>not liking war.
>not liking the feeling you get from murdering a shit skin Muslim.
What the fuck senpai?
>>73861272
>First you neeed a psychologist
you know you are on 4chan right?not reddit
>I love many humans starting with the scientists and medics
they can be evil also , look kid you probably have not seen much of life , but i really go to go, i hope you find your way to god one day, i been a atheist for 30 years before i found god. it can always happen.
>>73861921
yep something really wrong in the matrix
>>73861988
good luck trying to get on heaven lol
>>73840479
to assert something like that, is like to assert that I would be a PhD if I didn't masturbate every day.
If I didn't masturbate every day I probably wouldn't be a PhD, I'd probably just be even more sexually frustrated than I am now
>>73840479
Honestly, it has both hindered and helped scientific progress. Would we be ahead technologically if it had never existed? Maybe. However, only a complete moron would believe we'd be "hundreds of years" ahead if not for religion.
>>73861681
the start of civilization comes with domistication of animals and agriculture not just religion , is a large amount of factors.
You are just trying to justify importance of religion for you , not for me cause it is not importante and we need a fast shift from it ...
>>73840479
>Pol is it true that religion have been a huge rock over history slowing all technological progress down?
no. atheists who say that are retarded. religion and science go hand in hand.
>>73862376
>Would we be ahead technologically if it had never existed? Maybe
We'd be more technologically advanced if the Church didn't start building monasteries and teaching people to read and write and funding monks to research and make copies of books for distribution?
>>73862574
I think he's meaning more along the lines of Spanish inquisition and dark ages causes
>>73861367
I'm denying nothing here. You used the blanket Europe as if to say that there weren't major cities and states already established there. Same for the middle east. A few established cities with a fuckton of savages in between.
And again my point is christianity/religion was not a necessary aspect of what happened. Not denying that it was present, just the fact that it was unnecessary.
Same for science. It was there and (please read because I'm tired of repeating myself), already established as the law of the land. Therefore many of the greatest scientists of those times, had to accept and mesh theories into it, or be labeled heretic.
As a result, many of their theories were incomplete, and thus held back scientific advancement. You see this even today with scientists trying to mesh evolution with Christianity.
OP:
>Pol is it true that religion have been a huge rock over history slowing all technological progress down?
Final verdict is yes. And you can take this to google or even most historians and physicists and they will give you the same answer.
>>73862376
actually you are the moron because in Iraq and syria just a small example they basically have 0% in scientific recearch .
This makes 2 less contrys in the world helping the advances in science.
If this countrys are in war for years is it not a back step on evolution of science?
>>73862379
Temples have been dated to exist before farms did and it is with farms that the agricultural civilization sprung THEN animal husbandry became a thing.
It was spiritual observance that kept nomadic culture congregating around one particular spot long enough for a state like society to form with morals based loosely of said religion and keeping order. Its is from there that farms came from.
I find it funny that you are convinced that I must be religious to be disagreeing with you. As though you can not comprehend that someone is disagreeing with you from a logical rational stance so they must be a God-fag with hurt fee fees.
Listen nigger. Some of us actually draw concussions from recorded events and found evidence from civilizations dawn and don't base our entire argument off esoteric bullshit poorly regurgitated from pop atheist who seem to think not believing in a god makes them a cool rebel and 'in the right'
In all likelihood there is a Muslim Imam somewhere out there contributing more to humanity then your smug ass. The fedora meme exist cause of asshats like you.
>>73862818
>not realizing religion is the experiment
>>73840479
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christians_in_science_and_technology
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientists
>being this retarded
>technolgy
>thouget
>deapth
>being this obvious
>>73862730
So what you're saying is
>Christianity comes to barbarian land
>Christianity civilizes them
>creates a larger more functioning society
>creates institutes of learning
>educates people to read and write
>monks continually copying books for more material to pass on knowledge
>allows people to study and devote their life to science inside their society, inside their institution, educated by them, funded by their money
but these scientists are independent from the Church? I think this is where our disagreement is. The only reasons these scientists are not in a small tribe hunting and gathering is because the church, it educated them, taught them to read, provided the material to pass on knowledge, and thus were born the scientists. This means scientific discovery is born from the church, not that they're independent from it.
>And you can take this to google or even most historians and physicists and they will give you the same answer.
but you're just completely wrong here. The history of science is that it's born from the Church. This isn't opinion this is what happened.
>but they didn't REALLY believe the church. They just conformed because they have to
This is meaningless and unprovable. They came from the church and owe everything to it. Science could not exist if it were not for the church.
>>73841200
I saw this kid yesterday, he has a tag he puts on called /leftypol/ and acts like a huge cum slut shilling for Atheism. I saw him make a thread "What does /pol/ think of the amazing atheist inb4 hurr banana hurr coffee" etc
tl;dr /pol/ is a christian board
try
>>>/lgbt/ for atheism threads
>>73863155
religion was our initiation to the cosmos , the way we found at beggining to unlock the sky mysteries.
maybe there were better ways but this one prevailed
>>73863071
since when i said you are religious or not, the thing is that the way you argue is fanatic...
It is hard for me to understand your level of sapience surrounded by people that put there ego first then reason .
Anyway all that post does not makes you less pedantic that you are trying to project
Again religion has a history on mankind period no arguing even in science history , you had people like isaac newtoon and his alchemist studies
but claiming religion is the base of our existence is wrong .
>>73863313
you words are hurting jesus love
>>73840479
>he probably believes Earth is a ball
>>73863195
>they came from the church and owe everything to it.
And that's where we part ways. Sure they helped get society in some kind of order but you've failed thrice to understand OP's question and my response, and I won't explain it again.
Your responses are tangential to the original question.
Lastly science was not born "from the church" it existed long before it with many ancient cultures.
>>73863758
>the way you argue is fanatic
Opposed to the way you shift the goal post, make moral appeals unfounded in logic, and dismiss someones entire point from the get go because they are "one of them".
Don't be coy there is only one person arguing like a fanatic here and its not me.
>Anyway all that post does not makes you less pedantic that you are trying to project
>Again religion has a history on mankind period no arguing even in science history , you had people like isaac newtoon and his alchemist studies
I cannot make out what you are trying to say here and what your counter point is your English is rather bad
>but claiming religion is the base of our existence is wrong
It isn't the base of our existence, but it is most certainly the base of our civilization. You can have humans without religion, but what you cannot have is a civilization without some sort of religious foundation it is simply a optimal way in which humans organize and develop. This is true among every human civilizations that was founded and advanced.
Religion is not a problem it is a glue. You don't have to like the way glue taste to recognize the whole sodding system would fall apart without it.
>>73864250
You're right that science doesn't exist exclusive to a one culture, what I meant was the modern society we are living in, including our countries, is a result of the Christian church. Europeans were illiterate barbarians at that time, and then the church came in and created the society and opportunity for these discoveries to be made and for major events in history like the renaissance to take place. Those came as a result of the church's influence of how it shaped the people. To say the Church "held back" the renaissance or any of our development with science or technology is just not a true thing
>>73864058
You're insufferable, get a trip so I can filter you. How pathetic.
>>73865097
who cares for your ignorant pedantic opinion , and your brain limitations , you made at image of your god i expect not much from you...
>>73842200
Way off. Alchemy began with Hermes Trismegistis in Ancient Egypt.
>>73851339
We absolutely would be. Religion (all religions really) have fought scientific progress because the findings contradict core religious beliefs or they think that nobody should 'play god' (whatever that means). Because religion is generally in a place of power in countries it is often able to do this. In some cases scientists have been either pressured to conform their findings to religious doctrine or face lifelong persecution. One example of where science would be further progressed is in stem cells. Because George Bush didn't understand that stem cells come from the umbilical cord, we are now 8 years behind where we could be in stem cell research. Because of this thousands of people will die from conditions that stem cells could cure if the research wasn't banned for 8 years.
Recovering beta cucks everywhere. How did you go about ingesting the redpill, and what was it like to view your past selves?
I used to passively believe in progressive ideas but didn't really speak up for them. Then I started watching Sargon and Akkad and began taking a more objective view of things. From there it was only a matter of time before I took the redpill.
>>73864857
Sorry but you are adding nothing to this, and are confusing the conversation even more by quoting every single sentence.
Try to resume what you have to say because you have a full post of words with almost nothing to add .
not gonna quote every sentence you make
But basically you are claiming that for our civilization to be organized religion pays a role on it.
Its like you cant imagine our civilization with no religion
>>73865651
>>73865651
>Religion (all religions really) have fought scientific progress because the findings contradict core religious beliefs
They just don't though. They are what get society to that point. Without Religion society never gets to the point of thinking or acting on this level. They're tribes throwing sticks at each other without it. You cannot deny the massive influence Religion has on advancing a people to the level of civilization where they have these problems. Even if there's a struggble between Religion and science further down on the path, they would not be at that point to even have the struggle without Religion. They're intertwined
>>73865684
>I don't want to be manly
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.
>>73865601
listen very carefully , maybe your are absolute right because I dont know the origins of alchemy.
You are making me waste time replying you but ok, i only said Isaac newton studied Alchemy period
and you come with history lessons as if this knowlege nwas not hidden from the general populace , very ignorant of you
>>73865684
Watching other peoples organize and lay out their beliefs is how everyone starts, but it can only get you so far. I'd recommend starting to read actual classical literal. You'll realize that despite all the technology we are no more "advanced" than men used to be. There were some amazing thinkers who struck on a lot of major things, and you'll get a rush of inspiration way beyond what some youtube fag will give you.
>>73865370
Still here trying to convert good old christians to the religion of the lower power?
>>73866006
at all , i dont want you to miss your heaven , why you dont go there right now instead of making life on earth a hell for humans with fear and hell storys ?
>>73865828
>ts like you cant imagine our civilization with no religion
Not with humans. Not one that has been observed, but please give me a example of a civilization which rose and developed that had 0 input from a religious foundation/organization.
Surely you can find one and is/was completely secular free of the burden of organized faith.
>>73866006
this is begging for a shop but i just dont have the skills
No ,the problem is not the religion but the people. same with islam, is almost the same thing as middle ages christianity, if the muslims flooding europe were christians and europeans muslims, it would be all the same thing.
>>73866210
but there is only one civilization , what you have is sub groups, religious factions , ideologies.
We are type 0 civilization , so really you cannot put us all together in your boat .
You indentify a species by civilization type and energy consumption not by religious beliefs...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale
>>73865839
Religion has never accelerated science. In the very early days science existed and religion existed, neither based on the other. Since then, science has existed in spite of religion.
> You cannot deny the massive influence Religion has on advancing a people to the level of civilization where they have these problems.
Name a single advancement that is due solely to religion. Not something that has happened when religion is around, but something that religion actually caused.
> Even if there's a struggble between Religion and science further down on the path, they would not be at that point to even have the struggle without Religion.
100% false. Religion in no way caused science. Science would have existed without religion and would likely be further advanced if religion never existed because religion wouldn't have existed to persecute scientists and fight scientific progress.
>>73866202
i am here to convert people to a higher power, god made me a atheist afterall and now i can see both sides of the story.
Fear ? i dont use fear should you fear hell? one mans hell could be a other mans heaven
>>73866721
>Religion has never accelerated science
>Religion made barbarians into renaissance Europeans
>Religion made Egyptians into great architectures
>same with romans and greeks
The difference between before and after Religion is a Cave man and a man writing something down in a book. Science has never existed before Religion. You are acting like the Romans and the Greeks and the Aztecs had no religion.
Science comes after Religion in absolutely every single example of society. Again: Rome, Greece, Ottomons, Christianity, All the societies were Religion first, Science after, and this is because Religion got them to the point where they could think like this.
Give me a single example of an advance society that had no Religion. I've given examples for mine.
>>73865953
Anything you suggest for starting?
Also, I meant to post this as its own thread, but I'm a newfag.
>>73866742
are you sure you not being tested...
>>73865953
It really depends what you're interested in. When you posted in this thread I assumed you were interested in a historical red pilling, which I could recommend a lot of good places to start, but if you're interested in more of a red pilling about human nature I might recommend The Prince by Machiavelli. It's short and an easy read about the good qualities of a leader, by a man who was around a lot of influential people and was really good at analyzing and identifying what made them successful. He was a very perceptive guy in that regard, and it's not too intense of a read if you're not a book fag. I found it helped immensely with the "red pilling"
>>73867142
Offcourse we are being tested you must be a fool to belief god does not test, he tested adam and eve even jesus christ got tested in the desert . If god exist he is testing us all right now
