Let's start this shit up again. Very interesting thread last night:
>>73344162
4 cans of 4loko every day. Is this alcoholism? Others drink a 5th of vodka for breakfast to get started. Where are you in this field?
I'm drinking right now. I do every day. I mix 100 proof vodka with various things like non alcoholic cider/cinnamon/caramel extract/seltzer water (good as fuck), root beer concentrate/caramel extract/seltzer water, or just mix some citrus base. I use a measuring cup to measure the vodka for each drink. If I want a longer day of drinking, I do 1/4 cup of vodka per 44 ounce racetrac cup. Can sometimes get that up to 4-5 drinks over 4-6 hours, and top it off at the end of the drinking session with an IPA or two, maybe 6-7% ABV. Then go to sleep.
Days that I work, I'll come home and pour half a cup of vodka for my racetrac cup drink, then have 1 or two more before going to 2-3 IPAs. Then sleep.
I'm pretty functional, but feel in a fog 100% of the time. I can remember what it's like to be clear, so I can tell I'm in a fog. Mess up my words. Type the wrong word that sounds like the word I want. My emails and posts are pathetic if I don't go back and re-edit. Hell I've probably done the same thing in this post, as I don't plan to edit.
So where are you on this scale? Many would call me a pussy casual. Many would say I'm a hard core alchy that needs help.
Do you want to quit? Have you quit? What did you do to quit? Some people have said you should take B-6 and 5-HTP if you wind down your drinking or can go cold turkey.
How many of you have tried and got the shakes? How much were you drinking, or are drinking?
DUDE BOOZE LMAO
>>73397116
holy fuck dude. I drink like two or three beers after work everyday. I drink more during the weekends, but not much.
You sound like my boss at work, I would slow down if I was you.
Shut the fuck up i have a hangover
>>73397116
Just talk to your dad.
>>73397403
>I drink like two or three beers after work everyday.
>beers
Well there's a gradient to beers. I've got 10% ABV beers, and I've got 4.5% ABV beers. Big difference if we're talking number of beers after work. What beer? Just standard mass made crap like bud light?
>>73397116
Recently my heart started giving me problems during or after drinking.
Ran out of breath about a week ago after my 4th beer, been drinking 5 nights a week since December.
>>73397116
>4 cans of 4loko every day. Is this alcoholism?
Yes, nigger...
>>73397116
I was reading the thread last night but passed out before it got good apparently.
I've been a chronic pot smoker and a moderate drinker for years. I've stopped smoking but I was up to a quarter a week. Now I'm trying not to replace it with alcohol, but I drink between 1-3 cans of beer or vodka diets in an evening.
>>73397116
Dude u r so cool lol
>>73397116
>Have you quit? What did you do to quit?
I was one of the worst drinkers ever for ten years. I drank around 20 units (1 beer or 1 shot = 1 unit) a day, most of the time all day.
I could still function because i came from a long line of functional drunks. Had a job and my own place.
I realized one day I wasn't enjoying it anymore, and tried different stuff, always went back. Then I saw my drunk pillhead half brother die, and decided i didn't want that.
I quit cold turkey, replaced with weed. Smoked weed every day for 6 months, then went 2 weeks on, 2 off to learn what "normal" was. did that for 6 months then quit weed, which was super easy by comparison.
Read The Sobering Truth by Jeff Herten MD, no bullshit he just tells you how the bottled jew is killing you.
Alcohol is the #1 killer of white men, BTW.
>>73397437
I don't get hangovers anymore. I can drink enough to make teenager want to die the morning after, and only feel my regular fog. No headache even. But others drink a 5th before noon, and seem to function on some level. That's crazy to me. So I'm curious as to how much people drink and how they operate. How they feel about it.
>>73397684
I feel like killing myself
>>73397770
Thought the point of drinking was to not feel miserable and suicidal all the time?
>>73397660
>Alcohol is the #1 killer of white men, BTW.
This is true. And I've never liked the buzz from weed. Seems to run my blood pressure up and make me have no idea what's going on. A complete loss of control on my psyche. Not a warm feeling. I know there are strains out there that would work for me though. Sadly it's not legal here in Georgia yet, and will be a long time. And I'm not buying random shit off the streets. My assumption is I'll get used to the shit off the streets and end up spending a fortune on that shit.
Right now, I have an apartment of my own, and a job for 10 years. Don't want to rock that boat.
I forgot to mention this:
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/ij_ch12.htm
Most of us know the Jews are behind the media, feminism, communism and porn.
They'll do anything to ruin the white race, but they're also behind a lot of the alcohol companies as well. Lots of jews own liquor stores or distributors.
>>73397533
Um... were talking Busch Light.
I only buy beer by the 30pack. IPA's are for faggot hippsters
>>73397116
>I'm pretty functional, but feel in a fog 100% of the time.
If you're drinking 44oz cups of sugary mixer along with your vodka, plus the Four Loko, I'm pretty sure you're getting rekt by blood sugar issues more than the effects of alcohol intoxication.
You're ingesting as much sugar as if you chugged a whole 12-pack of soda, for fuck's sake. From your symptoms, you may be developing the early stages of diabetes.
Who /teetotal/ here?
Feels good man. Trump knows it is the way of the warrior.
Addicted to alchohol AND caffeine.
>>73398021
>IPA's are for faggot hippsters
I've been drinking them long before the hipsters even knew what they were. Brew my own beer as well, and have been for a very long time. Regardless of the hipsters, good beer is good. Just the way it is.
Apparently we have one of the highest alcohol consumption rates in the world but I don't know anyone who has it effect their work.
I'm a landowner and farmer by occupation so I know a lot of heavy drinkers but none that I would consider a liability. I typically have a few beers a night, maybe half a bottle of wine and some schnapps. On a weekend it rises to whatever I feel like. I probably drink about 50 beers a week, two or three bottles of wine and a small amount of schnapps.
Never had an effect on me, but apparently that puts me well into alcoholic territory.
>>73398092
>If you're drinking 44oz cups of sugary mixer along with your vodka
No sugar, I use stevia to avoid over carbing.
Drinking alone is degenerate. I used to after I graduated from college then I realized how gay it was. The main issue is that it totally prevents you from getting /fit/, which should be important to any young man.
I have friends who took easier, work-from-home jobs to accommodate their drinking, which I thought was pretty sad.
>>73398092
>developing the early stages of diabetes
Could be. But again, I sweeten any drink I have with stevia. The 4loko guy was from the previous thread.
>>73397116
I can polish off a bottle of vodka in 2-3 days, But I try to insert a clean week after every bender.
On a side note I don't believe in the whole weed cures cancer meme, but I do believe it can help ween people off of alcohol dependency.
>>73397936
I was damn lucky all my friends are potheads.
I'm glad i was able to use it to get straight, but I definitely won't use it in the future unless I get some disease that's worse than pot.
Pot did make me pretty stupid and emotional, almost on a woman tier. I can recognize it now in my pothead friends, niggers and anyone else I know who uses it.
I had the heart problems from indica strains, look for sativa or schwag, i had less issues with those.
>>73398218
>Drinking alone is degenerate. I used to after I graduated from college then I realized how gay it was
I don't disagree with that. It is degenerate, and anti-health. Being /fit/ is health. But that's not being debated by anyone.
I get the impression that heavy drinking is pretty common among right-wingers. What do you guys think?
>>73397116
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(oh, and add 3 gram doses of Vitamin C q3h)
congrats. you are now not an alcoholic anymore, and you felt good and didn't have DTs while quitting.
pay it forward, alkis.
I used to drink mike hard lemonades 8% everyday up until last year.
They never specify if it's vodka or beer. All I know is that shit is evil and I leave it alone now.
>>73398391
Red pills are a heavy burden to bare.
>>73398156
Yes, but when it boils down to it its just beer. If it's readily available, well made, clean and reasonable then it does the job. I don't need it to be rare or exclusive.
All the breweries close to me are decent, aside from one which is a love/hate thing. I don't have to go to the end of the earth to get it. A Crate of 20 is about 14 euros and at the end of the month I take all my crates and empties back.
Really, if I have to order it from Amazon or drive to Innsbruck to buy it from a man with a Tumblr account is it worth it?
>>73398349
I'm just explaining why I stopped even though I enjoyed it.
>>73398304
I'm probably a bit more than that. Though I call "a bottle" the big ass jug of 100 proof. 1.75 liters. That takes me a week to finish off if I'm just using vodka.
>>73398466
This.
>>73398439
Will it cure the hangover i have now?
>get drunk last night
>drive home
>MAGA banner in trunk
And I'm fine with this
>>73398515
Gotcha, my bad, anon.
>>73398271
>>73398195
>stevia
Well there's your fucking problem, anon.
Consuming large quantities of stevia can give you a variety of unpleasant central nervous system side-effects, including disorientation, numbness, and dizziness.
>>73397116
Shittiest drug on the planet.
>>73397116
You're leaning towards being an alcoholic, yes. You probably are one, and although the slippery slope is a logical fallacy, it isn't usually when it comes to alcoholism.
t. recovering alcoholic
>>73397116
Yes OP
I drink 4 25oz 8% mangoritas a day
>>73398439
>HIGH DOSE NIACIN
Interesting. Maybe I'll get that along with the serotonin helper, 5-HTP.
Though I'm not sure I even want to quit. I'm red pilled about the dynamics of the world, have a shitty job, albeit stable, and live alone. Clearly depression. And not into getting on to pills that require me to not drink. I could quit drinking first, before getting on pills, but how the fuck can anyone get through that stage?
>>73398626
in all likelihood, yes.
i should have not appeared to emphasize tha niacin over the vitamin C. both are very important.
the niacin will dilate blood vessels, and the ascorbate will clear out the alcohol metabolites that cause the hangover.
also, N-acetyl cysteine will repair your liver, and outright stop a hangover if you take it beforehand.
>>73397684
>I don't get hangovers anymore
Sorry to break it to you but the body doesn't just stop being dehydrated. You probably chug water before you go to sleep.
>>73398673
Oh, I didn't read the last part of your post.
Yeah I quit, it was hard. At my worst I wasn't really eating anything, deciding to just drink booze all day to get my calories.
I used to drink a handle of whiskey, or 1.75 liters, every two days. So that's 30 ounces a day.
>>73398669
Well every few months I switch back to some other shitty non sugar sweetner. Besides, I prefer drier drinks -- not super sweet.
>>73397116
I quit binge but switched to organic amarone. one bottle for two every evening, but it is enough and not as bad as spirits.
>>73397116
>Where are you in this field?
Have to drink everyday, but almost always in the evening and a six pack instead of hard liquor. When I can't drink I smoke, so it's more like I can't be sober in the hours before sleep.
Can't remember how it is to be absolutely clear of any kind of drug, and had some short pharma "addictions" in the last couple of years.
Is it alcoholism?
>Do you want to quit?
Not really but I ought to.
Also yeah OP you are probably a pussy casual which is good for you
>>73398879
>You probably chug water before you go to sleep
Absolutely. I keep 2 liter bottles full of water for after my drinking. Which means I'm washing out most of my body's nutrients. That is what I think causes more of my fog; not the alcohol directly.
>>73397116
Go to AA. It really helps. Best of all, today is the birthday of Alcoholics Anonymous. Never a better day.
>>73397116
man, you are fucking retarded
the only times it is acceptable to drink
1) father, mother, wife , husband, sister , child or brother dies. you get 1 night of drinking.
2) when you are a teen just learning about drinking. you get no more than 3 times binge drinking with mates,
3) its pre sex, eg you are making her drink vodka so you have a little to encourage her. dont fuck your boner tho.
4) your retirement
5) 1 other random binge drink per year for misc reason
6) australia day
anything else is bullshit, kill yourself tier
get some standards
>>73398021
>Busch light
Redneck detected
Also thanks for being the stereotype piss beer drinking American
>>73399181
Alcoholics don't have the ability to moderate. It's either all or nothing.
Most people don't understand that.
I get sloshed every day because I'm a balding 23 year old ugly college dropout neet with crippling anxiety and I can't do anything but stare at the walls and worry while sober
>>73399298
This. So much this. Alcoholism is drinking when you don't want to drink and picking and never being able to put it down
>>73399298
See that's the thing. This debate about what it means to be an alcoholic. You're saying that if I stop myself from drinking more because I have work in the morning, even if it's a large amount of alcohol, I'm not an alcoholic. That's strange to me, because I live my days in a fog simply because of my drinking. Yet I can moderate it on some level. How do you reconcile these two aspects?
>>73399418
>want
You've glossed over a key issue here. Want to on many levels, don't want to on other levels.
>>73397116
I've been drinking every day for about the past year with only minor breaks and exceptions, I never drink in the morning or at work, usually visit the pub straight from work on the way home with a friend, we drink 3-4 strong pints and then head home, sometimes I'll drink whisky at home.
Last week I decided to cut back and I drank nothing during the week and just stuck to weekends which i didn't have an issue with, so I don't think I'm dependent on it (yet)
I'm lucky because I can hold my liquor and I don't really get hangovers to speak of, and I earn loads of money so the cost isn't an issue, it's really just the health issues I worry about, trashing your liver is fucking dumb and the only reason I really want to dial it down.
I'm not really ADHD or anything but I get really bored really fast without stimulation and a lot of times things are boring like social interaction or if I'm just chilling and trying to relax I often cannot, drink helps with that a lot. I also can't get to sleep easily and when I do it's a unrelaxed sleep, if I drink loads quickly and conk out then i get to sleep on time and wake up really refreshed. I wake up feeling a LOT better after a night of drinking whisky, a good 8 hours sleep from 12-8 zoned out is way better than bed at like 2am and toss and turn for 6 hours.
The day I start getting bad hangover is gonna be fucking shit though.
>>73399334
Seems a good enough reason to me.
>>73399505
You're pretty much fooling yourself, if you drink to intoxication on a regular basis you cannot moderate.
The only one that can call you an alcoholic for sure is you. Could you see yourself living without alcohol?
>>73399505
>That's strange to me, because I live my days in a fog simply because of my drinking.
But that means you are always under the influence. If you'd get sober and make sure you are completely clean before work you might not be an alcoholic.
I think an alcoholic is anyone who has to drink frequently to survive everyday life, no matter how he pulls it off.
>>73399334
(((((((((you))))))))))
>>73399645
Can relate to all of that 100%
Except the hangover part. I used to get hangovers, but they stopped. I don't expect them to come back.
>>73397660
MOAR PICS HNNNGGG
>>73399676
Well maybe moderate is the wrong word here. I know when I've hit my limit. To me, that's moderation. I don't want to stop because then I'll be staring at the wall all night with no stimulation that would do anything to relieve the utter abyss of shit in this world. Could you just stare at a wall, and look forward to that each day after a horrid day at work? Especially if there is a way to avoid all that by simply drinking something?
>>73399505
You don't stop being an alcoholic because you stop drinking. It doesn't go away, ever.
>>73400006
Yeah that's your mind tricking you into drinking. It's the oldest trick in the book.
You convince yourself that you could not live without alcohol, when in reality you did live without alcohol already for a good portion of your life.
Best way to look at is there's the addicted part of you, and the normal part of you. The addicted part is in control, and the normal part is down there somewhere, although it's being heavily suppressed by the addicted part.
This is one of the first things you learn after getting sober.
>>73398673
Why does everyone end their post with "t." and some self identidying label? Is this some new dank meme i dont know about?
>>73399694
I don't think this is the DSM definition
I think alcoholism is someone who is prone to alcohol addiction according to the DSM
So if you have a propensity for drinking, and you give it up for 5 years, you're still an alcoholic because if you start hitting the bottle again you won't be able to stop.
Has nothing to do with what time you stop drinking at night.
>>73400392
Just look up t. Alberto Barbosa
>>73397116
I quit drinking back in 2009, mainly due to health problems, I was getting drunk after one beer.
I dont regret it. Use of drugs is degenerate.
Women are broken, and the way men used to live is gone. The vast majority of the world not only doesn't see this, but actively fights to continue the process. There are no more houses on the plains, with 6 kids running around. That can only be had if you're a Chad. And even then, it's fake. Drinking is simply a way to take it.
>>73400331
Interesting. Thank you for that. Will think about it.
>>73397116
I love alcohol and when I came upon evidence of alcohol screwing you up (emotional stability problems, retarding the ability to lose weight, preventing the building of muscle, and impotence) I thought, I don't want this but I don't want to give it up either. So I diet properly for five or six days a week and have a partying cheat day or weekend. If you keep things in proportion you will be fine. If you drink every single day it's like ejaculating every single day.
I get up to about a fifth a day and that's what I was at for the last two weeks. I got sick and was still drinking and then got REALLY sick and had to chill for two days.
Now I don't plan on drinking this coming week, at least not all day/at work
My girlfriend is a heavy drinker and last night had to be brought to the hospital because she tried to drink herself to death. What do i do guys? She's only 18.
>>73400508
>>73400560
Yeah and don't forget that alcohol is a depressant. It will depress you heavily over time.
It's a cycle of death really. Eventually you get depressed about drinking, which leads you to drink more. Which makes you even more depressed, which makes you drink more.
>>73400759
>Now I don't plan on drinking this coming week, at least not all day/at work
Good luck anon. Yeah it's strange. We poison ourselves. Fucked up when you think about it. Yet poetic when you see the world around us.
I poured out all my alcohol yesterday. I already feel better.
>>73400783
I wonder the best way to end the cycle. Thinking about trying this niacin shit, and 5-HTP. Then just staring at the wall. Seeing if I can do it.
>>73400331
>>73400474
I take issue with almost all of the "alcoholic" advise. I'm not looking for excuses not to call myself one because I'm not in denial about the excess that I drink.
But the definitions have to be meaningful and coherent and they're not used that way a lot of the time.
I think having a propensity to drink alcohol is still a problematic definition. Everyone has a propensity to drink it, it makes most people feel good, the issue is with depndency, some people drink and become dependent where as some people can leave it.
However that's a a gradient it isn't some binary on/off issue, Why don't people who only drink egg nog once a year at xmas quit drinking, why don't we consider them dependent? If it's volume then how much is too much, the point where it interferes with life? Then what about functional alcholics such as myself who have limits they can set and not exceed.
Or is it ability to stop when you start, I can have a few beers in the sun and be fine, sometimes I blow through the lines and will finish a 70cl bottle of Jack in one long drinking session.
My dad drank a lot and so does my brother and my sister so I have no doubt the tendancy to want to drink is there and if that makes me an alcoholic then fine. I really don't know how the word is defined these days it's changed so much.
Drinking Disaronno with Coke at the moment and having a light one.
>>73400942
How much exactly do you drink a day? In units?
If you drink past a certain threshold of an amount, you will have to go to the hospital for withdrawal meds. Without, you could be in a potentially dangerous situation from the DTs.
>>73400783
I know pol isn't my personal blog, but 2 summers ago, I relaxed drinking a lot, and started hiking every few days through the Appalachians. I wanted to be a good father to my new baby which was coming in the early winter. I got in shape and drinking went to near nothing. It turns out I got cucked and she never wanted me around, just was trying to have baby from whoever she could get one from.
Back to the bottle I went.
>>73397660
I've been an every day smoker for six years. Lungs just started feeling bad, all the time. Now I have to cut back
>>73401143
>How much exactly do you drink a day? In units?
I don't know how much a unit is. I drink about 1.75 liters of 100 proof vodka every 7-9 days.
>>73397823
Its a depressant. Yea it makes things worse when you use it regularly
I get smashed and play online video games every weekend. The only way I can play online is smashed now. Last night I did some of the hardest content in the Division last night and was barely conscious. I have a girl avatar but don't talk because I am smashed so people think I am a shy girl and give me shit.
>>73401058
They're not dependent because they don't feel the need to drink all the time.
The definition I would give is you can't live without alcohol. This could mean a few a week, a day, or drinking to oblivion every day.
>>73401325
>I get smashed and play online video games every weekend
Did the same, but the games got old. I can't even get into The Witcher 3 now, which I had been waiting for like the second coming.
I pretty much just shit post on pol, watch torrented movies, and help the Trump campaign as best I can.
>>73400474
That definition is so retarded I think it gave me cancer
>>73401310
You could probably cold turkey at that amount, it wouldn't be dangerous but it would be unpleasant for a few days.
You might feel anxious, have difficulty sleeping, shake, and sweat a bit. Then again you might just have cravings.
>>73400861
I'm also a journalist and it helps me deal with the shit I see as well as write about it.
>>73401525
Thanks anon. Thinking about giving it a try. Just wanted to continue that thread another anon made last night because it was so interesting. Appreciate the input.
>>73397116
its barely after noon here and im drinking vlad shit tier vodka.
i do this everyday, i dont even make drinks
i just fill my mouth from the bottle, swallow, and occasionally sip some juice or whatever.
half the time i just wash it down with water
>>73399224
High Life is much better
its the champagne of beers
>>73401599
I can only imagine, anon.
>>73401367
Right but how do you determine that? If I go a day does that make me not an alcoholic? Does it need to be a week or a month? This is the problem I have, where do you draw the line, a lot of people would say to me that I drink way too much which incidentally I agree with. However what would be the right amount, if I cut back to say just weekends but then go the rest of the week not doing something I enjoy, that's somehow better? Things like limits to stay health are fine, they're less arbitrary and I drink way more than the healthy amount which is my primary reason for wanting to cut back.
>>73401325
I do this, I'm playing The Division as well and play a female avatar but I don't have issues using the mic in fact if you're a good player and can cope while smashed quite often you can make some cool friends and team up for instances.
I drank last night during D&D and I'll drink again tonight then go the rest of next week without drinking, near as I can tell that's close enough to stay health enough. It's just really hard when you finish work and the sun is beaming and you just want to sit in the sun with a cold one.
>>73397116
ive been an alcoholic for half a year now , idrink a bottle of vodka or 2 bottles of wine on my own , or a sixpack of beer albeit beer makes me ragy and sleepy while vodka whiskey doesn´t.
my liver aches now and then but eating some fat food and doing random exercises helps.
i do not care for the outside world , ive had a revelation years ago and took meds , psychosis etc am bipolar 2 too.
i really dont care if i die early or of old age.
alcohol and entertainment are the only things keeping me alive.
my family doesnt know it but suspects it , we are scattered.
my mother is probably heartbroken but i dont care.
i simply stopped caring about most things you throw fusses about.
a person could die infront of me and i wouldn´t flinch because ive been dead for years.
i still feel emotions , i still have urges , wishes but im humble as much as i can be given my situation.
what good is it to live in a world that is against you living at all , what good is it to follow patterns of functional modern slavery when you will still be a slave.
what good is it to be healthy and functional when you can´t own anything of your own without paying taxes , you cant live in a forest in a cuckshed and grill by the fire.
you can´t just go off the grid and be in peace you will be constantly harrassed.
to me it seems all the stress around healthyness and socializing , social status , income outcome , money , luxuries blabla is an illusion that proclaims happynes but if anything at all im much happier than people around me with those so called "functioning lives".
i am a degenerate , a proud degenerate but if you need help and want it - i´ll be there cause i gave up long ago to help myself and accepted the fact that this world is lost.
you come to this terribel site everyday memeing about politics , but you do nothing.
you come to this board everyday and shitpost , but youve no effect on anything.
the future is dark and here to stay.
we are not.
>>73399224
>>73401837
>sun is beaming and you just want to sit in the sun with a cold one
You're still far up in the rabbit hole. Good luck.
>>73401599
When you say journalist you mean what level? We talking blog, major site, local paper major paper what?
Yeah I'm a horrible alcoholic and I'm probably about to go have more in a few minutes. I am unlike you, I'm dysfunctional and can't hold down a job. I always find myself drinking franzia and shit, and yes I am also a big fan of 4 lokos, just because I'm only interested in what's cost effective via alcohol content-over-price. I can't drink vodka anymore though, I almost gag even just thinking about it because I've had so much of it in the past. God fuck my life.
But if I was going to share one piece of insight to this thread, it's that you NEED TO STOP because if you keep drinking, your life will fucking fly by and you'll wonder how so much time has passed and you didn't even notice it. I'm turning 25 in like 2 weeks and I don't even know how I got so fucking old. Oh wait, I'm constantly drinking and I don't remember half my life nowadays.
>>73398173
Can confirm Austrians drink a lot. Not weird to see people drinking beer at lunch time at sausage stands.
>>73401926
>i really dont care if i die early or of old age.
>alcohol and entertainment are the only things keeping me alive.
>my family doesnt know it but suspects it , we are scattered.
>my mother is probably heartbroken but i dont care.
>i simply stopped caring about most things you throw fusses about.
>a person could die infront of me and i wouldn´t flinch because ive been dead for years.
Spot on. Exactly how I feel. Entire post was spot on.
And I wonder, is it the alcohol creating this perception, or is the perception valid and alcohol is way to cope. Maybe both.
Things don't surprise me. People at work will try to surprise me around the corner with "boo!" time shit, and I don't even react. I joke about how I can't be surprised. The fact is I don't give a shit about this world. If that surprise happens to be a knife to my chest, I'd have the same reaction. Nothing.
>>73401926
Jeez man feels bad
Why is it that I drink alcohol to make myself happy, but the totality of what I experience is fucking pathetic and sad?
Fuck this what are we doing
I've stopped drinking more than a year ago. I am an alcoholic, I just can't stop when I drink, I want to get totally wasted and I've always had an excuse to get smashed. Now I lost a lot of weight, I am doing gym and I am far away from this shit. My father's also an alcoholic so maybe there's some truth in the alcohol gene meme.
>>73402456
>If that surprise happens to be a knife to my chest, I'd have the same reaction. Nothing.
My reaction would be relief. I might even thank the guy.
I can't kill myself because we as adults can admit that it's not right to do that to your family. I mean, fuck, it's actually mother's day right now and I have to email her and try and act like everything's going fine with me :|
>>73402589
>alcohol gene meme
Definitely truth. I've had uncles on both sides of my family die early from the drink. I expect I drew that card.
>>73402707
Are you me?
Ex-alco reporting in. Didn't think I'd ever have the motivation to stop, but when you start showing signs of this:
http://www.the-alcoholism-guide.org/wet-brain.html
Shit gets real. My brain is fucked and I'm only 29, basically can't drink ever again. You think your life boozing sucks, try being sober with brain damage.
Protip: It fucking sucks. I might have to kill myself if it doesn't get any better.
>Parents let me party when i was 8 because i was "too adult and good at everything"
>now i have to drink a 6 pack of ipa and a pint of jameson just to fall asleep
Me and my friends will generally drink 6 gallons of hard alcohol, whiskey mostly, and go through about a dozen cases of Rainier during the weekend. Its getting out of hand...
>>73402787
>http://www.the-alcoholism-guide.org/wet-brain.html
Interesting, thanks. I've got near zero short term memory, and can't vocally explain shit. Can't tell a story. Typing is much easier, and prefer it in the relationships I have left.
>>73402716
Yep, other members of my family have also problems with alcohol. Better stay away from it.
>>73398496
Youre confusing IPAs with people's niche little brewing companies.
IPAs are generally crap, yes. But this is only because most brewers are lazy, and most people dont taste anything except the hops, so most IPAs are bland beers with a bunch of hops.
Niche brewing groups, or whatever the fuck are as likely to produce good beer as any other brewery, so fuck that shit.
But, brewing your own beer/mead/wine is the best way to do it, because you learn what good beer tastes like, and can start to make a beer specific to your preference.
Just because somebody enjoys something you havent heard of doesnt mean theyre a hipster.
Especially in regards of making things themselves.
>>73402787
I might have to kill myself if it doesn't get any better.
Well you're from Sweden too.
Sorry, gotta keep up the bantz.
>>73402787
How long has it been? Took my brain over a year to feel somewhat normal again.
>>73402787
>An inability to remember the recent past, although long term memory might be perfect.
>Fabrication. Because the sufferer can't remember anything they will make up stories to fill in the gaps.
These were two symptoms that occurred at my worst stage of alco-addiction. But it wasn't the usual blackouts (I also had them almost all the time since I couldn't stop). I've caught myself many times drinking one beer and having an amnesia. I didn't know what the fuck I said to another person and it was only after one bottle and 10 minutes before.
>>73403490
I don't think Sweden bro is feeling normal again.
>brain damage
Though brain cells not growing again is a meme. So not sure.
>>73403146
Truth
>>73403216
Actually I'm not, I'm a Bonglander travelling on business, despite my rabid alcoholism I just about managed to keep my job (so far).
Changing flags make for entertaining shitpostings though.
>>73403490
About 3 months thus far. I do feel better in sobriety, but still very noticeably brain-fucked on a daily basis. I really don't know if I will learn to deal with it or not, it's fucking hard to think about having to put up with the effects for the rest of my life..
>>73398867
>the niacin will dilate blood vessels, and the ascorbate will clear out the alcohol metabolites that cause the hangover.
Like 80% true. Alcohol metabolizes to acetaldehyde and then to acetic acid. (vinegar)
Methanol is formaldehyde, and formic acid, but if you drink distilled alcohol, you shouldnt have to worry about that.
Anyways, anything that helps oxygenate you will help you clear out alcohol faster. (You piss out the acetic acid, hence why it burns a little in the morning)
The majority of a hangover is a slight psychosis from over stimulate Gaba-a (the neurotransmitter that ethanol effects) But, you also get vasoconstricance, and thus the blood vessels in your brain arent really feeling good, because alcohol is a vasodialator and blood thinner, but as it leaves your body, your blood vessels overcompensate, and make it so you get that headache.
The muscle soreness that people get (sometimes lethargy, depends on the person) is from acetaldehyde buildup, which usually only happens if your liver is out of the enzyme to break it down. Hence, you feel sore and lethargic after you drink for a long period of time out of the blue.
>also, N-acetyl cysteine will repair your liver, and outright stop a hangover if you take it beforehand.
Probably mostly correct. Placebo effect counts.
Sup dudes
>>73403928
>effects for the rest of my life..
http://www.livescience.com/505-adult-brain-cells-growing.html
You'll be alright, anon.
>>73402145
It's a daily print publication..newspaper..in a small colorado town. Our editorial team is 4 people. I cover crime, government and energy industry
>>73403938
Good post anon, thanks.
>>73397116
I am an alcoholic and the thing that saved me was going to confession regularly.
Been sober for 2 months now.
Keeping up a constant BAC of at least .1 will sterilize your body. Yes you can still get sick from something like a cold but you will not get an infection caused by your own feces / stomach contents... everything in there is nuked to hell. So enjoy the information and use it well. I accidentally ate a half pound of raw chicken meat in the third world one time, just as an example of how this can keep you safe in everyday life.
Also, your liver turns alcohol into pure energy , so if you eat while drinking most of the food energy will be stored as fat if it's not nuked by your alcoholic system first.
>not doing benzos and opiates
>>73404287
Interesting. Yeah, I haven't gotten sick for years.
>>73404131
What part of Colorado?
>>73404287
Thanks anon, I've been looking for a diagram, and information on this for a while. Yet to find anyone who writes about it.
>>73404287
So if it wasn't for the dehydration and constantly pissing out nutrients, one could survive on just alcohol and vitamins?
>>73402786
This is exactly the type of thing that I would only say because I'm drunk right now.
But just this little bit of human contact that I had from your (you) makes me wish that we could somehow talk in real life because we could relate to each other.
Maybe we could get a beer LOL
Am I the only actual drunk one ITT?
I'm 23
I had been binge drinking on the weekends for years now. Couldn't remember the last weekend I didn't drink to the point of stupidity
About 4 weeks ago I had a panic attack the Sunday afternoon after staying up all night Saturday drinking alone.
I think it was a sign to stop. Haven't done it since. It kind of sucks learning how to have fun on the weekends without getting plastered. I really was using alcohol as a social crutch.
I've had bad mini anxiety attacks since that day that happen every now and then. Think it's my body telling me I need to make changes in my life. I'm really not where I want to be right now.
>>73404628
You dont produce enough energy from it, the calories are trivial, and almost impossible to store, from alcohol alone.
But, darker beers, absolutely, you can survive on.
>>73404287
>so if you eat while drinking most of the food energy will be stored as fat if it's not nuked by your alcoholic system first.
So either drink more, or quit drinking to lose weight lol
Stop drinking and start being productive.
You can start any day contributing to society
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Kmh4BbJPz8
>>73404735
>Am I the only actual drunk one ITT?
I started drinking the moment I made this thread. On third racetrac cup.
Alcohol is bad for your brain. It damages the neurons dendrites. But, those heal over time.
You're not drinking enough that any damage you've done isn't reversible. The problem is, after a certain point you become so addicted that you don't realize it (or care).
Stop now. You don't need it.
>>73399334
You should try going to a therapist or get some counseling
It could really help you out
>>73400771
SEE:
>>73398439
also, look up "Bill W. (founder of AA) + Niacin"
he tried it himself and was hugely interested in it and became a big advocate, and then was mysteriously silenced.
aside from this, i have some thoughts on AA and its origins - AA is NOT a good idea.
then again, hey - if it helps you, then great.
but i would seriously look into Niacin + Vitamin C. include some N-acetyl cysteine, as well, if you're so inclined.
>>73404898
>On third racetrac cup.
Badass
I've had like 5 glasses of cheap box wine. But for some reason I feel the need to drink it out of real wine glasses instead of just chugging it out of the bag.
>>73400771
Talk to her about why she is drinking so much
Sounds like it's more than just a drinking problem
>>73404735
I may start drinking I dunno. If I drink that means i'll be inactive all day and plus I have to wake up at 5 AM and being fully coherent I dunno if it's a good idea.
HOLY SHIT The captchas are being really annoying today.
Used to drink about a handle every 3 days, was hugely depressed, failed out of college, weighed 300 lbs.
Down to 210lbs(6'3" male), I still drink in excess ~twice a week, I know I need to grow up and cut it out but I don't have a gf or irl friends and I'm so good at tricking myself into drinking.
It's almost like I'd do anything to kill that little voice in my head sometimes; weed, alcohol, anything to just escape reality for a bit.
I've got a decent job now($18/hour, overtime is $36/hour) and am paying my way through college, quitting substance abuse(almost entirely alcohol) is my last step to leaving degeneracy behind.
Tall step.
Good luck anon, I hope things get better for you.
>>73404898
>On third racetrac cup.
Maybe second racetrac cup. I can't even remember.
>>73404735
I've had a few double disaronnos with coke and will probably start drinking some JD in a bit. I'm a little buzzed just taking it easy at the moment, might end in a session, we'll see.
>>73404740
Having limits is good, I don't mind drinking alone so much but I don't do it often, some weekends when people are busy and I'm bored.
>>73405118
Good luck to you too and congratulations for losing all that weight man.
>>73405116
>HOLY SHIT The captchas are being really annoying today.
I know that feel bro, whenever I'm drunk I sit there rage-faceing at the captcha thinking THERE'S NO FUCKING COOKIES HERE WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
>>73405036
Saving this thread locally because of information like this. Keep it coming.
>>73405263
>THERE'S NO FUCKING COOKIES HERE WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
I fucking hate gopher mallet game street signs. Just fuck my shit up.
>>73397403
Yea my boss is a drunk as well. He's a good man though and we have a lot of fun shit talking niggers. I can't really talk though seeing as i'm pretty much a junkie though at least these days my drugs come in the form of a medical script so lifes pretty stable.
>>73402456
God anon, I know this feel so well, you're majorly depressed anon(as you likely already know and just can't be arsed to do anything about, because, well, you're majorly depressed).
I used to lie in bed all day nursing some drinks, masturbating, watching shitty tv I didn't even enjoy, and playing games.
Everything in the outside world(work/school/etc) feels like a chore and the best part of the day is the sense of relief you feel when you've finally gotten back home, alone in your misery, likely with some shitty food and enough alcohol to numb your senses for one more night.
Keep in mind that you're still tricking yourself anon, if nothing matters in life then why does the alcohol matter? That's how I got out of it(I still drink twice a week).
You've got to learn to love yourself anon, this life is worth living.
>>73405688
Thank you anon. A part of me realizes there is another side to all this. Something like what you said.
>>73399298
cut down, buy quality. equal spend but drink less.
>>73405688
I can logically explain to myself how nihilism is inherently self contradicting, but in a way it does inspire. Like what you said:
>Keep in mind that you're still tricking yourself anon, if nothing matters in life then why does the alcohol matter?
Why does alcohol matter if nothing matters? Why does coping matter if nothing matters? What is wrong with staring at the wall if nothing matters?
It's a good question.
>>73398907
Shit man even when i'm on a hard binge it takes me 3 days to down that. Impressive
>>73398439
>>73398626
>>73398851
>>73405036
NIACIN AND
THIAMINE
The reason why people get "wet brain" and become permanently retarded from drinking is because alcohol depletes vitamin B1 (THIAMINE) reserves.
THIAMINE THIAMINE THIAMINE
and Niacin.
Just get into the habit of taking a good multivitamin with B vitamins in it everyday. GNC's megaman or Vitamin Shoppe's Ultimate Man are good ones.
Former fifth a day drinker here, former AA member
Just about every question in this thread is answered in this book: Heavy Drinking the Myth of Alcoholism as a Disease by Herbert Fingarette. With some googling you can find the PDF, otherwise its like 3 bucks on Amazon. For me it was the ultimate redpill on drinking. The problem is obviously complex, but I'll attempt to state my view as it is right now.
Every single scientific study conducted on heavy drinkers (or "alcoholics") have proven that they are able to exert control if the motivation is present. Also, there is no correlation whatsoever between drinkers who abstain completely/return to controlled drinking with attendance of treatment or support groups.
In my opinion, the problem at least in America is largely societal, and the prevalence of the "disease" concept being passed off as fact. With the rise of the multi-billion dollar treatment industry and 12-step programs, when someone (especially someone under 30) is abusing a substance, the idea of "helping" them is now to send them to one of these places. Friends, family, co-workers, and the person abusing substances themselves are relieved of responsibility because the person is now labeled as having a "disease".
I bring up the shit about AA and treatment because it was thrown at me at a really young age as the only and final solution, and now that I know better I realize how much it's actually hurting (and even killing) a fuckton of people. The belief of alcoholism is fear-inducing, and a driving factor for the pocketbooks of the treatment industry while claiming to be altruistic. You have the power to change. You have to dig deep and be honest with yourself about why you started drinking, and why you continue to do it now. What are you holding yourself back from? For me it took a time of abstinence to clear my head and some reading and writing, and to erase the romance of the drink. Best of luck
>>73399131
>>73399131
Those 12 step organizations are more than a little cult like but whatever works i guess.
Drinking to forget seems like the perfect solution your problems, until you poison yourself to the point you can permanently barely remember fucking anything at all.
Then ALL you want is to be able to remember and function like a normal person. Except you can't anymore.
Don't waste your life Anons
>>73406386
Sounds like you need a drink.
>>73406374
You can take all the vits you want but the ethanol stops your liver absorbing Thiamine, so it's virtually pointless. If you're getting fucked up from alcohol-induced vit deficiency you HAVE to stop drinking, nothing else will stop it.
>>73400227
>>73400227
I don't subscribe to that meme. Rewiring your brain is doable its just difficult. Psychedelic therapies have had pretty good success in treating addiction in the past.
>>73406659
I lul'd
>>73406386
Great post, and thank you. Will look into that book.
>>73406659
I do. Ironic, isn't it? It's the guilt that kills, not the substance.
I drink 3-4 times a week I feel I am alcoholic
Drinking has caused me to get two DUIs, four trips to the emergency room and has ruined almost every single relationship with friends and family
Yet I still drink 12-15 drinks a night.
My hangovers are now withdrawals. I get horrible anxiety to the point where I have to have a few drinks to even handle the 2 minute ride to the store to get more alcohol
I have anywhere between 3-8 light beers (idk what in my mind determines it) every week night but try to stop drinking early in the night because I have to wake up around 5-5:30 every morning. I stopped myself from drinking for an entire week last week and felt awesome every day but coming to the weekend I got wasted partying with friends and it is also great, just hate the morning after.
I think most people around me know how much I drink and are okay with it because I'm really good at my job, so I don't feel a guilty about my drinking unless I hear news from my dad who is homeless because of his addiction. So am I truly an alcoholic or do I just like beer?
>>73406124
Alcoholics go broke when they do that. The quality doesn't matter when youre halfway through the handle.
>>73406277
Yeah, it's a hard question anon, and it's one you will have to find you own answer to, as you know.
I used to have this exact circular train of thought, at my lowest is always ended like this:
>'If nothing matters then I might as well end my existence'
>but i can't because of my family/etc.
>but I just said nothing matters
>so i'm really not ending myself because I'm a coward
If you're like me than deep down you know it matters anon. Deep down you know that you really do care about the grief your family would go through, and they care about you in turn.
There were a few months where my first thought waking up was a cacophonous internal littanny of 'I'm such a fucking retard loser coward' and I would frequently end thoughts about future tasks(going to class/etc)with an almost hopeful,'and then maybe I'll get the courage to kill myself'
I hope your mindset isn't so negative yet, but it's a slippery slope anon.
Wish I could hug you m8, good wishes ~
>>73406739
True but I used to see the top psychiatrist in the country who specialized in alcoholism and he would have long tirades on the importance of thiamine and B1 for alcoholics.
When I was actively drinking I made sure I took it everyday and there doesn't seem to be any permanent brain damage.
>>73406911
Indeed, old bean. Just have one, for old times sake. I'll grab a beer and we'll drink together. It's Sunday, sinner. If you're not going to walk the righteous path you may as well drink with me!
>>73407087
You just like beer. It's time to end the guilt trip.
>>73406404
AA doesn't work for a large majority of people. People in AA lie to skew the success rate, but the fact of the matter is it simply doesn't work for about 90% of addicts.
Plus you want to talk about indoctrination? Jesus, so many people come out of there babbling AA rhetoric without ever thinking about what they're actually saying.
Bill didn't even stay sober his whole life. He was very much into mind expansion and psychedelic drugs. Fucking hippie garbage.
The program is designed to never fail too. If you lapse, it's not a fault of the program, but your own personal downfall because you did something wrong or didn't work hard enough.
Fuck AA.
>>73407342
AA only works if you make it work. The people who make it work don't need AA
>>73407045
>I get horrible anxiety to the point where I have to have a few drinks to even handle the 2 minute ride to the store to get more alcohol
See now, I have to wonder if you're trolling or not. This seems a bit over the top for even the hardest core alchy.
Seeing how much money I've wasted on alcohol is so depressing. Realizing I'm down to my last $200 because I've already spent $1500 this year on alcohol
>>73402005
I swear anything that AHB pisses out is the worst fucking swill and the cheapest.
Keystone is like the token drink of heavy drunk.
>>73397116
>drinking the liquid Jew
Great idea, anon!
>>73397116
Yes OP, if you have to drink everyday to feel normal, then you're an alcoholic. Even if it's something as simple as "I can't unwind after work without having a beer or three."
>>73401926
It's not your liver aching, it's probably your gall bladder. It'll take more than half a year of drinking to fuck your liver, it's amazingly resilient. It'll be getting some punishment for sure, but the won't be kicking up a fuss just yet.
>>73407543
The first step to getting yourself out of a hole is to stop digging, anon.
>>73397116
If you have ever said it's 5 o'clock somewhere you are definitely an alcoholic
Anything over 15 drinks a week is a hardcore alcoholic you need help man you're drinking yourself to an early grave
>>73407115
Amazing the similarities of thought. I've never seen it put to words before. Wow. That is the exact circular logic I've used. And now just ignore as it is worthless to think about.
Thank you for writing it out. What you said is so spot on, I have no words to qualify it.
I hate the taste of alcohol.
I don't like it and the only reason I drink is to drink socially.
I might go to the bottle if I were extremely depressed though.
>>73397116
>falling for the liquid jew
you're killing me, man
actually you're killing yourself
>>73407539
I'm completely serious. If I don't have 2-3 drinks before going to the store I'll feel faint, nauseous, and dizzy.
It instantly clears up the moment I'm out of the store.
>>73407757
What the fuck is Togo
>>73407757
It's 5 o'clock in Togo
>>73397116
I drink a few times a month so between 4 4loko and a 5th I'm not even on the scale. Yesterday I had three beers, that's the most I've drank in ages. I used to drink a lot, especially when I was younger, but I realized that it doesn't actually do anything good for me and slowly drinking myself to death wasn't a way out.
So I stopped drinking. It didn't fuck me up or kill me, but I only had a decade of inconsistent binge drinking under my belt before I quit. Some people need a support system, some people need some catastrophic change, some people will never quit at all. Its up to you.
Drinking every day without any good reason is likely alcoholism. It's not determined by quantity but the frequency in which you drink and the reasons for drinking. It's pretty normal by some cultural standards for people to drink often, if not every day, but having a couple of beers or a glass of wine with dinner obviously isn't alcoholism. When you start to use it to escape, when you start to use it to hide, when it becomes a crutch and effects your life, that's when you have a problem.
I'm sure pretty much everyone in the thread knows this, though.
>>73407518
The only good thing about AA is the fact there's a lot of groups over America. There's strength in numbers.
>>73407094
No, I am an alcoholic but drinking wine that can't be downed like shots has saved me. I switched from something like everclear with 96.5%
>>73408062
Maybe that's more anxiety about leaving your place and dealing with normies than alcohol dependency?
>>73408062
I've been at that point anon. Curious, have you tried AA or treatment before?
>>73407698
>tfw had my gallbladder removed at a young age
>literally have the shits every other day
>>73408401
Yeah that's the only reason I mix my drinks. After a while, I just feel the poison, and don't want to drink anymore. Whereas, if I go straight or 10%+ beers, my system won't make me stop fast enough.
>>73397116
>How many of you have tried and got the shakes?
That's the reason I haven't quit, it's much worse than just shakes though.
>How much were you drinking, or are drinking?
I drink about 20-25 beers a day. The annoying thing is that doesn't even get me very drunk, but I can't drink more without feeling sick.
>>73408570
I'm actually feeling the poison now a bit, and started my first drink when I made this thread after waking up. So now, I'll probably up on a torrented movie and fall asleep. Wake up in 5 hours and it all start again.
As much as I like fun posting and talking about the liquid jew, alcohol threads aren't /pol/ related. It's like our jannies have abandoned us.
>>73397116
>alcoholism is when you cant go without alchohol does not matter how much you drink, just 1 week nothing cant do it ? you are a weak faggot
>>73408408
It's definitely alcohol related, if I'm sober for a couple days the anxiety clears up.
I think it's funny how people who drink regularly look down on people who abuse drugs, as if there's a real difference between the two
>>73407543
uhh i spend 12 000 a year on pot bro...
>>73408570
like an elevator. used to fall in bed in coma-like state. no input, no output, memory blurred or wiped.
the stuff I drink now is about 30$ a bottle, organic, I share it and and my liver indicators have improved. after realizing in what state I was I started with 2x 600mg ilybum marianum extract and acetyl steinum in the morning.
>>73408861
They're justifying their own addiction. Common shit. Don't take it to heart.
>>73408771
as it is the last socially accepted drug with patrially horrible consequences it is legit to discuss it and find reason. are you for prohibition?
>>73408771
The drug is the only one that is legal and widely used in our societies. You're god damn way off to think this isn't politically related. This is evidence of a political issue that needs to be discussed. Pol is all about evidence of political issues. It's the entire point. Who gives a fuck if it isn't framed that way.
>>73408771
It's like saying posting about chimp outs is not politically related. Fuck off. That is a societal issue. As is this.
>woa, no guys, let's not discuss how we deal with dindus! we have to stick to the politics of them and what they do.
>>73407757
i'm jsut here to save you RARE
>>73408771
It is /pol/ related though.
>>73407518
>no true Scotsman
>>73397116
IPA is fantastic. Any particular type you like?
>mfw the only reason I'm not a full-blown alcoholic is because I can't afford it
Being a poorfag college student can be a good thing sometimes, I guess.
Last year I was drinking a lot every night after work (and I used to work 6-7 days a week), as in I'd go to the pub and drink 10+ pints of cider and whatever spirits were going around. Then last Christmas at my parents house I blacked out after drinking all day and finishing an entire bottle of bourbon and when I woke up the next day I'd threatened my mum, climbed onto the roof and pulled the aerial off the wall.
Stopped drinking for a few months after that but I've started up again and the volume is slowly increasing. Fuck it all anyway.
I drink about a litre of 5% beer and about 250ml of rum every day for about eight months or so now.
Is this much? I cant really tell...
>>73397574
>>73397116
Jesus OP, that would make me piss my bed.
>>73411305
thats about 7 standard drinks a night
no its not a lot
2 duis fucked my life up I'm lucky I didn't hurt anyone. I'm a degenerate who cannot control it so I haven't touched it in ages. Fuck alcohol
>>73409616
>Only legal
>What is caffeine, nicotine?
