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Old thread: >>800718

Companion Planting - Raised Beds - Vertical Gardening - Square Foot Gardening - Polyculture - Composting - Mulching - Vermiculture - Espalier - Fungiculture - Aquaponics - Greenhouses - Cold Frames - Hot Boxes - Polytunnels - Forest Gardening - Aquaculture

Resources:

Murray Hallam’s Aquaponics: (sample: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYR9s6chrI0)

-Aquaponics Secrets DVD
-Aquaponics Made Easy DVD
-DIY Aquaponics DVD (Aquaponics The First 12 Months And Aquaponics DIY DVD)

Backyard Aquaponics
https://kat.cr/backyard-aquaponics-t4385398.html

400+ PDF BOOKS ON GARDENING
https://kat.cr/400-pdf-books-on-gardening-t3324399.html

Youtube channel Growingyourgreens, tons of videos on almost every single gardening subject,
https://www.youtube.com/user/growingyourgreens

Ollas clay pot watering system,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkNxACJ9vPI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvKq5geEM-A

USA Time of Year Planting Guide,
http://www.motherearthnews.com/organic-gardening/what-to-plant-now-zl0z0903zalt.aspx

Food preservation,
http://nchfp.uga.edu/
https://kat.cr/complete-book-of-home-preserving-pdf-gooner-t10069401.html
https://kat.cr/canning-and-preserving-all-in-one-for-dummies-2011-mantesh-t5998098.html
http://www.allamerican-chefsdesign.com/admin/FileUploads/Product_49.pdf

Mushrooms, (culinary and psychoactive):
https://kat.cr/usearch/Stamets/

Mother Earth News' Vegetable Garden Planner program, (full version requires yearly subscription $fee)
http://www.motherearthnews.com/garden-planner/vegetable-garden-planner.aspx

Tons of Gardening/Farming PDFs
http://www.fastonline.org/?page_id=35
Aquaponics
http://www.fastonline.org/?page_id=32
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US Farm Income and Taxes:
http://www.hobbyfarms.com/farm-marketing-and-management/farm-income-taxes-14991.aspx

US Grants and Loans for Small Farms:
http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/usda/usdahome?navid=GRANTS_LOANS
http://afsic.nal.usda.gov/farms-and-community/grants-and-loans-farmers
http://www.nal.usda.gov/afsic/pubs/funding.shtml

Managing Risks on Your Small Farm:
http://agr.wa.gov/Marketing/SmallFarm/managerisk.aspx

Chicken info and forum:
http://www.backyardchickens.com

Rabbit guide:
http://www.agriculture.gov.tt/publications/manuals/rabbit-production-a-producer-s-manual.html

A public access seedbank for many types of rare or endangered plants; both edible and ornamental:
http://www.jlhudsonseeds.net/index.htm

Organic and heirloom selections:
http://sustainableseedco.com/
http://www.seedsofchange.com/
http://www.johnnyseeds.com/

Potato, Sweet Potato, and Tubers seed bank (free, but requires filling out forms and waiting in line):
http://www.cipotato.org/

Awesome interactive plant/gardening maps for USA, Canada, France, UK, BC, (frost dates, temp zones, etc):
http://www.plantmaps.com/index.php

Sprout seeds and info:
sproutpeople.org

Insect Habitats for attracting pollinating bees, predatory/parasitic wasps, hibernating ladybugs, butterflies, etc.:
http://www.inspirationgreen.com/insect-habitats.html

Toad and Hedgehog Habitats:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JetkWtw7Jc
http://familycrafts.about.com/od/frogcrafts/a/How_To_Make_A_Toad_Village.htm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/breathingplaces/hedgehog_home/
http://www.britishhedgehogs.org.uk/leaflets/L5-Hedgehog-Homes.pdf

Chili Peppers:
http://www.fatalii.net/
http://www.chilepepperinstitute.org/

More on Aquaponics & Aquaculture:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=26xpMCXP9bw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=_WgfaJjvfxA
http://www.appropedia.org/Aquaponics

Sourcing plants from the grocery:
http://www.diyncrafts.com/4732/repurpose/25-foods-can-re-grow-kitchen-scraps
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>>807375
Correct link for thread 62: >>804122
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>>807305
How large? Just dig deeper beside them.
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>>807383
Dammit, and this time I thought I had the formatting 100% right, oh well...

Anyway, was surprised to discover this on one of my still tiny ass bell pepper plants, maybe they'll work out after all
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>>807305
>>807384
I hope you're not talking about Acer platanoides, this shit will seed itself everywhere into oblivion. Do yourself and your neighbours a favour and don't plant these, instead opt for A. pseudoplatanus (if in Europe, else whatever maple is native to your place and doesn't sprawl like crazy)
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I've been trying to propagate a pepper plant for over 3 weeks now. The leaves are still green, but after all this time still no sign of roots. Am I doing anything wrong?
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>>807398
Warm up the stuff you have the stem sticking into. It needs to be about 5-10 degrees warmer than the air. If you didn't put rooting hormone on it, do that too.
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>>807400
okay thanks, it's just in a glass of water now but probably not warm
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>>807398
I too had very little luck getting things to root in water glass in May/June, including species that easily did so last autumn (most notably rosemary), I guess photoperiodism has something to do with it, days are 16 hours here now. Maybe shorter autumn/winter days are better for root formation? I don't know
I'm actually thinking about conducting an experiment with cuttings in otherwise same environments being exposed to 8, 12 and 16 hours of light exposure (with a grow light for constant conditions) respectively to see under which conditions they root best, don't know yet how to do it without having to buy 2 extra growlights or having to manually move away stuff every day at different hours
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>>807404
>having to manually move away stuff every day at different hours
Use a lamp timer senpai
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>>807404
To add, same with sage. It very quickly grew roots when I put it in a water glass in mid-January (~8.5 hours daylight), took maybe 7 days, while I tried the same in May/June (15-16h) and after 6 weeks it still did nothing but eventually shrivel the leaves so I tossed it
>>807406
Yeah I can use that for a single grow light and do so with my indoor stuff in winter, but for my intended experiment I'd have to buy 3 separate grow lights and timers
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How am I supposed to tell when these guys are ready without cutting into them?
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>>807504
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0rfWrMpylU
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>>807508
Thanks! I guess I'll just go for it then because they are pretty big.
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>>807509
Yeah, you only need to let them go if you want seed to replant.
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My fucking stupid dog didn't like the fireworks outside, so she decided to tear down all three of my backyard window screens, right on top of my garden.
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I got tobasco sauce all over my hand and now it's burning. I washed it with water and lots of soap, soaked it in milk, washed it with rubbing alcohol twice, more milk, rubbing alcohol again, vegetable oil, more milk again and it's still burning.

Should I try bleach?
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>>807558
No. Also, this is more of a >>>/ck/ thing. The best you can do is what you already did with soap, water, and milk. Now all you need to do is keep it dry for the next few days. When it gets wet it will burn again.
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>>807556
RIP. My dog was nowhere near as ill-mannered. She just wanted to sit in my lap for a bit. Which was kind of awkward, considering she weighs 50 pounds, but at least she didn't completely flip out. Last time we had a dog in the house + fireworks, he got so startled he had a heart attack and up and died on us.
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>>807558
Wash your hands and suck on your fingers.
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>>807558
Use gasoline.
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>>807558
You've gotta chop it off man, I'm sorry, it's the only way to be sure.
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Decided to grow some roquette/arugula. First time working with vegetables. Previously I've only done bonsais and fruit trees. Something in particular I should know?

Any tips for this? I'm planning on harvesting all but 1 or 2 plants, and let those go to seed so I can try and store seeds
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harvested two of my potato-plants from the really thick potato-djungle today. Good result thus far, they have one or two more months to grow i would say as well, feeling good about this year's potato yield!

Growing in scandinavia
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>>807681
looking good
how many kgs do you think you produce a year?
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>>807682
i have about 40 plants so I am hoping to get 40kg of potatoes!

Bonus squash plant as well. They don't seem to be getting any bigger than this. Is it because they didn't get fully polinated or should I just wait?
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>>807677
Be on guard for slugs. Water only in the early morning. Watering at night allows slugs to roam further than normal.

>>807686
What variety? Mine are zucchini and about the same size. They are only now starting to show good growth. Note the blossoms on yours, they have not started to rot/fall off yet. When that happens make sure they come off and growth will start around that time.
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>>807686
Also, I see yours also have those odd white sun spots on the leaves too. This is the first year I've had that, but it doesn't seem to be affecting the plants.
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>>807707
Mine are zucchini as well! Don't know much else about them to be honest but I guess I will wait a bit longer to see if they start growing once the flowers come off!

I have 6 zuchini plants and all of them seem to have those small spots on the leaves, they seem healthy on the whole though!
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Things are moving along. Mortgage Lifter tomato, Zucchini, Common Purslane, Hungarian Wax Peppers, Painted Mountain Corn, Mary Washington Asparagus, Pile of yard waste, Japanese Greenhouse millipedes partying above my purple potato patch near a mimosa sprout (4 years later and still mimosa sprouts are coming up every time I disturb the soil lol).

>>807726
Here's what mine look like, that's 3 zucchini plants. I was like 105F/40C and super sunny not too long ago.
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>>807738
your zuchini looks a lot more green than mine but I guess that comes with the nice and warm climate. Cool tomatoes too!
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>>807738
>>807743
My zucchini got hammered by squash bugs. I was late getting it started, and they moved in just as it was starting to get its legs on growing. One is dead, and the other I give a 50/50 chance of surviving. It's what happens when you don't have the time to tend the garden like you should.
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>>807743
>>807777
I've removed 5 adults and 2 clusters of squash bug eggs from >>807738 those plants so far. Get an extension cord and use a vacuum to quickly suck up the hatched bugs. Be careful not to tear up the leaves. Most vacuum hoses have an adjustable air inlet so you can adjust how much suction there is.
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What is making my cucumber leaves turn yellow?

In a raised bed in Louisiana, New Orleans area.
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>>807789
I normally do those kinds of things, I just didn't have time this year to give them the attention needed. When I did finally get time, I probably pulled 100 off of one plant. I chalk it up to shit happens.

The funny thing is, they weren't hitting my yellow squashes or my patty pans nearly as hard. Just the zucchinis.
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>>807791
Over watering can do that, it leeches out minerals too fast. Like early stage of Potassium deficiency. It could also be Cucumber mosaic virus. If they dry out and become dead around the edges of the leaf then it will be Potassium deficiency (cure it by using fertilizer/compost/manure tea, etc). If they just die throughout, without really focusing on the edge first it will be Cucumber mosaic virus (no cure, destroy the plants, don't grow like plants there next two+ seasons).
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>>807794
Might be a good idea to use them as a trap plant then.
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>>807791
>>807800

It could also be a nitrogen deficiency.

It could be a lot of things. I've also seen plants that are going through a very rapid growth spurt have yellowish leaves that later turn a nice, healthy green.
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My tiny-ass plot my workplace lets us garden in is a 2X2' space in a raised bed. Not much, but enough for the herbs I like. I grow my veggies in an actual 20X20' plot.

I have black pearl basil, lime basil, lemon balm, dill, white sage, culinary sage, lavender, and thyme. The bp basil is my absolute fave, not only is it beautiful it's delicious, and extremely productive. The lime basil...not so much. It puts all of its efforts into growing flower spikes and nothing else, no matter how many time I cut them off and baby the damn thing. It's a very spindly, ugly plant, compared to EVERYTHING else, which is healthy af. Never going to grow them again.
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>>807831

Have no clue why the picture is upside down, I didn't take it that way. Eh, whatever, here's another shot from the other side. Also, forgot to mention the tarragon, chives, and chamomile.
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The roots of this avocado are getting longer and longer but the tree still won't show at the top
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>>807871
how long did it take you to get roots? I've had mine dunked in water for what feels like weeks
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>>807941
Like three months I guess. Feels like it's been in there for about five months now
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>>807942
Jesus christ. I hope mine sprouts before winter
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>>807707
>Be on guard for slugs. Water only in the early morning. Watering at night allows slugs to roam further than normal.

Thank you very much
Also how long do you think it takes for one of these plants to go to seed. I've heard conflicting reports.
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>>808030
It depends on the weather (how hot it is) as far as I know. Spring plantings bolt in hot summer for instance. My indoor stuff bolted when the temps rose, etc. When cooler it takes longer. Planting right now (if summer in your area) will probably ensure early bolting. Hope that helps.
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What are the odds a cherry pit will germinate? Are cherries commonly grown via grafting?
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>>808105
You need to stratify it and score it. Then it will germinate pretty well.
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anyone make tea out of stuff they grow

ive been trying basil and mint teas
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>>808129
score it? Like make cuts into it?
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So I was digging by my hedgerow and I found something in the soil that looked like spit on first inspection but revealed itself to be gelatinous upon second inspection. I didn't get to take a picture and it just rained so its probably gone now but does that sound familiar to anyone? It was completely clear and it had bubbles and its consistancy was close to snot than jello, very cohesive.
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If I put a toad house at the base of my 5 ft tall "raised" bed, will they find their way up there? I hope so. All of my crops have gone to shit because of goddamned ugly caterpillars.
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>>808178
Maybe slug slime?
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>>808189
It was a really big glob. Maybe golfball sized.
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>>808186
Holy shit, will they be your pets?? Amphs and reptiles are so cool
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>>807374
Do all bean plants eventually collapse? This is regarding plants that are flat and all over each other -

is it better to keep forcing them up or to just let them grow down like vines?
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>>808174
Scratch lines in it.
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>>808237
Me too anon. If I feed them crickets they will be but I don't know. I want them to clean my crops.
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>>808239
Beans are traditionally grown on trellises I think.
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>>808192
I've definitely seen insects reproduce using the stuff. IIRC it's roughly equivalent to a cocoon, though I can't remember WHAT uses it.
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>>808239
>>808254

Bush beans typically don't collapse. Pole beans like to climb up things, like trellises or corn stalks. I've never seen one grown without something to climb, but I could see them collapsing. Runner beans turn into giant monstrosities if not given a trellis.
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>>808105
Most fruit trees are commonly grown via grafting. IIRC, with stone fruits (cherries are stone fruits,) this is simply so a tough root stock can be mated up with whatever cultivar of fruit is desired. With things like apples, many are triploids, which means that any offspring will not resemble the parents. If you want something that tastes like a Fuji, you need something with a root system, then you graft cuttings from a Fuji apple tree onto it.
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>>808254
What if they reach the top of the trellis?
Is it okay to just let them grow off the top until they droop to the ground, or do I need to put another trellis above them for them to grow into?
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Is it possible to graft a branch from a fruit tree onto a fully-grown non-fruit tree?
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>>808305
I've heard that some cross-species grafting will work, but I don't know the extent to which it will work. I suspect that grafting pear cuttings to elm will fail. I've never actually messed with it though.

>>808304
They'll just droop. If you're looking for dry beans, having pods on the ground is bad if there is too much moisture, but if your trellis is tall enough that they don't droop all the way to the ground, it doesn't really matter.
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>>808305
no, it'll be outcompeted.
>>808311
pears are usually grafted on trees that aren't even in the same genus, Cydonia oblonga.
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>>808315
Will it be outcompeted because the tree isn't a fruit tree, or because it's already fully-grown?
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Hello farmers! Got a question. I live in a town, and my zoning is A1 (agricultural) and I am interested in perhaps getting dairy goats for goats milk and such. Any good resources that you guys may know of? And any general idea for how much a dairy goat would go for? Thanks again, guys.
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>>808317
because it's fully grown.

the wound will start to heal before the graft is able to establish itself.

if you can't graft a tree it's usually due to growth rates or dormancy rather than the actual species.

you can technically graft roses on top of a willow, but it's not going to last long.
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>>808192
Probably some sort of slime mold.
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>>807677

Where are you at? Rocket likes cooler weather so it might not be the best time to plant yet. A week of early summer in May caused most of my crop to bolt way ahead of schedule this year. I don't think my Fall crop will go in before August.
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>>808346
I'm in Melbourne, Australia.
We're currently in the middle of winter. I've added my weather forecast.
Is this cold enough? Too cold?

I just sowed the seeds today, my only concern is that it won't get too much light.
I have got them outside but undercover at the moment because it's raining cats and dogs. Will lack of sunlight be an issue? Over the course of the next few days, I'm planning to just move the pot out into the sunlight whenever the rain stops, and move it back undercover when it starts raining again
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I live in the south, so even in winter we never get snow and rarely get freezing temperatures. It IS cold, though.

What are some edible plants that are able to survive cold-but-not-freezing weather?
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>>808395
Learn to enjoy Kale. Almost any leafy green really
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>>808397
What about root vegetables like carrots and potatoes?
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>>808398
Those too. Although carrots can be a little more sensitive.
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>>808305
>>808315
>>808317
>>808328
It will work. I've done it a few times. So long as you know how to graft properly, it works. It just takes time to grow and requires maintenance. You must also place it correctly and make room for it. You must also use compatible species, you can't just graft species together willy-nilly, or it won't last.
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>>808393
They will be fine.
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>>808395
>What are some edible plants that are able to survive cold-but-not-freezing weather?

Your growing season is really long. Most everything can be grown year-round there if you use their hearty cold-resistant varieties.

>>808450
Shit, I didn't even see the fucking tripcode. Sorry anons.
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>>808450
it doesn't matter how good you are at grafting, they're not build to last.

grafted trees are the shortest living trees.
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How do you guys deal with Psila rosae/Carrot Fly? I read that people use fine nets when the flies lay their eggs, or plant Onions and Garlic but I wonder if there is anything else I can do.
Like Nettle-tea maybe?
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>>808393
That's about our April weather, when most summer stuff gets seeded, and since it's only getting warmer for you from now, you could probably do the same (except some things requiring more heat like watermelons, which you probably could start indoors now)
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>>808491
I have rosemary and sage growing next to it which supposedly keep them way, and the few carrots I pulled already showed no damage, so it seems to work so far I guess
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>>808305
>>808311
>>808315
>>808317
This in interesting af.
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>>808491

Sprinkle the ground around them with diatomaceous earth. The maggots crawl to the root, so some DE would shorten their trip
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>>808491
polyethelene(?) floating row covers to a height or 2 feet or cover your crop with them. Alternatively grow a resistant variety like "Resistafly" and "flyaway"
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>>808500
Nice, I heard they find the carrots by smell, so that would make sense. I will have to see if I can apply this somehow.

>>808527
Ok, gonna try this. I don't know the prices for that stuff, but it's a pretty large area. Don't really want to spend lots of money. How often do you think I would have to do this? Everytime they fly to lay their eggs?

>>808528
It's actually a small acre and between the rows its worked with a tractor, so having permanent structures wouldn't be very practical.

thanks for all the help!
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>>808586

It can be cheap or expensive depending on where you buy it.

You'll need to reapply after every rain. It needs to be dry and "fluffy" to be effective.

It's a mechanical insecticide, not chemical.
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>>808588
ok, thanks. That seems like quite a bit of effort, but if it helps then I'm going to try.
I don't really want to switch to a hybrid variety, hopefully this helps
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Just bagged one of my bins of finished compost to clear up the bin for more kitchen scraps. Had to sift tons of sticks and branches out, as I just threw a bunch of yard waste in there last fall. The old compost is dark, moist and sweet smelling. I filled two 5 gallon buckets half way with clean compost and hose water to make compost tea. It's not worth digging the bubbler out of my old aquarium supplies so lets hope it doesn't grow some bad pathogens.

I wound up forking one of my other bins into the now empty bin. Steam was billowing off of it (in 90*F and 90% RH) and it was absolutely infested with black solider fly larvae. The fly larvae are a new thing to me, I've never seen them in compost before. It sounds like they help churn the compost, reduce odors and e. coli, and keep houseflies out of the bin.

I know its just rotting plant matter, but it feels good knowing that I helped it decompose super well.


>>808594
If you're not tied to the organic method, just spray everything down with carbaryl (Sevin) or permethrin. They're very effective in killing insects, this means honeybees too. I use permethrin dust on my house plants and as a treatment in my garden when there are pests, I don't use it prophylactically.
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How many basil plants should I grow in a single large pot? I see picture of these big bushy basil plants people are growing and it looks like more than one plant whereas I just have this single big plant. I posted in a previous thread about my big-eared dumbo of a plant.
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>>808324
Pick up a book on homesteading at your local library. Or maybe check out Mother Earth News. They are all about that life.
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>>808397
Chard?
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Does anyone here let their herbs flower as a matter of course?
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>>808663
basil is supposed to get bitter if you let it flower.

also, unless you're collecting seeds, its just energy that is going to something other than producing something you can use.

Collecting lavender flowers for potpourri? Let it flower
Eating basil/rosemary/sage/dill leaves? Pinch the flowers.
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>>808663
>>808669
Yeah do it if you want to use the seed to replant or making the spice/herb/potpourri out of the flower/seed.
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Anyone have a video tutorial to properly prune herbs for bushiness? I'm afraid.
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>>808663
>>808669
I have this one single basil plant I started indoors in December (to have at least a little fresh stuff to use in winter/spring)
I planted it outside in late April and though regularly picking from it, it has become huge now!
And since I have dozens other plants outside now ready to pick from, I'm letting this one go to flower just for shits and giggles (maybe I'll pick the seeds but meh, a pack from the store is like 30 cents and lasts me a couple years, plus I'm sure they're ripe and will germinate)
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>>808695
Pic of flower
Also I'm letting my thyme, oregano and rosemary go to flower (my laurel shrub is still too young I guess), quite impossible to prevent that anyway, don't know if and how it alters taste in that case
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Could I extend my tomato growing season by building a simple unheated greenhouse?
My first frost is around Halloween(end of Oct-first of Nov)
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>>808735
Yes.

It will need to be tall enough to cover them properly. Use a single layer then when it gets even colder at night use a double layer with a tiny air gap between the layers. Adding bottles/jugs of water to all the space inside will help hold the heat and release it at night when temps dip fast. Painting them black will help even more.
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>>808740
How do i deal with chilly gloomy days when there is no sun to heat it up?
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Anyone have any tips for storing seeds? I really only need to keep them until spring but still i have purchased nearly $70 in seeds this season and it would be devastating if they were to mold or something.
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>>808755

mason jar with a silica gel packet.
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>>808755
Just place dark and cool
>$70
The fuck did you buy though, special hybrids or some shit? Palm seeds?
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>>808192
It might be star jelly. When a heron eats a frog that has eggs in its abdomen, the eggs expand inside the stomach and are regurgitated.
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>>808778
>Damn nature, you cray-cray

We don't have any herons around here, I live in central north carolina but it was probably slime mold.
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>>808776
I might have spent more than that actually.
Mostly I bought dozens of heirloom or rare tomatoes and melons.
I didnt bother preventing cross pollination between each variety so saving seeds from my own fruits this year wont be worth the effort,
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>>808807

but anon, tomatoes self polinate
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What are you guys growing for your friendly neighborhood pollinators?
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>>808816
They can still cross pollinate with nearby mater plants if the flowers are not protected.
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>>808778
That isn't what star jelly is though. That's a retarded theory from the 18th century.

We get it all the time after a good rain here. I've even had it "grow" under an old canning pot where nothing could have deposited it.

The biggest problem is that there's too many forms of it and no consensus on what it is. Regurgitated frog eggs look rather distinct and nothing like star jelly. I mean it isn't like a flock of herons came to my yard and vomited 3 acres worth of the stuff.
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What's up with my Jalapeno?
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>>809151

leaf miner
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>>809151
Top: Leaf miner
Bottom: Sun scald

If you look in those leaf miners tunnels you'll see a little green larva working it's way around the leaf in between the layers.
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>>808676
https://youtu.be/yGNGpUv75_g
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>>809161
>>809163
Thanks, looks like I'll be going on a genocide this afternoon
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>>809163
Does sun scald happen just from the leaves getting too much direct sun?
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>>808807
Who is to say that you wont' like the hybrids? I'll save seed from just about anything that has crossed. If I don't like the result, I won't save seed again. If I do like the result, I will save seed. Unless you are breeding for a specific trait, there is no reason to be scared of crosses. In fact, you can get some fun stuff.

The only place where I would warn against this is bushing type cucurbits, and that is only because the bushing trait is a recessive trait, and will eventually go away, even if you only plant bushing type cucurbits. Yes, I found this out the hard way, at around the F2-F3 generation.
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>>809185
>>809163
>>809151
The sun scald spot can also be leaf miner. Some species of leaf miner do that very type of pattern. I see it on my lambs quarter every now and then.
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my bush morning glory stopped growing
my kale stopped growing
some of my gourd vines stopped growing

wtf?

(my weed plants skyrocketed though :))
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>>809185
My experience with Jalapenos and other peppers is that, if the sun is damaging the leaves, something else has already weakened the plant.
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>>809197
I ask because I had a bean plant that got sun scald on one of its leaves one day, but only on that leaf and only on that day. Hasn't gotten any more since.
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>>809193
So, extra dosage of genocide? Depending on the size of those little bastards I'm thinking either using a sewing needle/backing plate to stab them, or maybe fashion some quick jaw covers for a set of pliers with some sheet steel and using them to crush the bugs without fucking up the leaves too much
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>>809200
It is the same with beans. If one, and only one leaf is getting damaged, you probably have something else going on. I live at 5000' altitude, and the summer sunlight here is intense, and the only plants that the sun causes damage to are either already weakened by something else, or are plants like Swiss Chard where the leaves got water on them and then got exposed to direct sunlight before the water had dried.
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What do you think of these Geraniums I've got?
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A few of my peppers were getting crowded out on both sides (I planted the rows too close together), so I transplanted them into pots. They don't seem to be doing well. Leaves near the bottom of the plant have been going well and falling off. Is there anything I could do to revive them?
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>>809256
>going well and falling off
Fuck. Going yellow.
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>>808818
Tennis rackets.
>tfw your chief pollinator is carpenter bees.
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>>809177
Thanks, blood.
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>>809256
Plant then in the ground. Pretend the hole you did is a pot and go from there, since it allows you to use a smaller amount of good soil, but still not limit the plant. Those pots are terribly small in that image.
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>>809237
cute
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Tomatoes are coming along nicely, the small pots don't seem to be much an issue (about 1 liter pots). I just have to water and give nutrients much more often.

Cherry-tomatoes in scandinavia.
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>>808818
Thyme and basil. Bees love them, especially thyme. I also have an assortment of flowers, like calendula, daisies, lilies, and my hostas are starting to bloom. Not very many wildflowers; I sowed the seed but it didn't take. Oh well, thiers always next year.
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>>808663
I let my thyme flower, simply to please the bees because they love thyme, and thyme flowers are so pretty,
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>>809237
I've got a geranium too! It just flowered, but I haven't taken pictures of it, yet. Mine is just a tiny little branch, though.
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Is it too late to put elderberry to ground? I know it will take like 2 years but I wanna start now.
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>>809272
kek
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>>809485
I live in north carolina btw. Zone 8.
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>>809485
Do it now.
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>>809485
elderberry is a weed, it'll manage.

just find yourself an adult plant and chop it down to the roots and plant those, it doesn't matter how much you abuse them they always come back.
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Question my tomato plant is not doing well. It is young and is wilting. It is being watered regularly (once a day or once every other day), it is planted in a pot. The pot is maybe a liter or two in size. What's wrong with it?

I live in USDA Zone 6b.
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>>809574
How hot is it when it wilts? Does it remain wilted at night?
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>>809580
Yes and yes. Maybe 85-100F.
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>>809590
How tall is it? It may just need more water if it is of any size since that is a small pot. Got a pic?
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>>809606
I'll move it to a bigger pot. See if that helps.

It's probably about a foot tall.
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>>809536
>>809565
Thanks bruvs.
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>>809565
>it doesn't matter how much you abuse them they always come back.
yeah elderb'ry sounds like a real plont
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Hey guys. Is performing Fukuoka's natural farming techniques in Central Texas wasted time? I'm a filthy hippy interested in limiting the amount of fertilizers/fucking-around I do with the soil, and I don't think it'd be so bad since I live on an aquifer.

I dunno, would I just be better off sticking to a more traditional farming plan?
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Any magicians in /out/? I'm this guy >>809485
and since I've started gardening at least 50% has been me being stoked to be able to grow my own herbs and shit for spells and shit. I'm super stoked to have my own personal elder trees for death and protection magick and using other non-orthodox things that I happen to be growing that season. It's much better than that dry dusty stuff they sell in witch shops around these parts.
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>>809707
>>>/x/
[spoiler]I have an interest in the occult as well, but this isn't the place for it.[/spoiler]
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First time growing pumpkins, am I supposed to be directing the vines at all or is it fine to just let him strangle all his neighbors?
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>>809713
I'm asking about homegrowers who are growing whatever they are growing specificaly or peripherally for its magickal correspondence.
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>>809642
Unfortunately that statement is untrue. Like mint, elderberry can be killed the instant you try to care for it.

>>809707
>>809725
>>>/x/
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>>809728
>Unfortunately that statement is untrue. Like mint, elderberry can be killed the instant you try to care for it.
lol

>>>>/x/
Fuck off, faggot. You're not the boss of me.
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My pineapple looks like shit now. It did so well inside all winter, I put it outside and it's all fucked up. I'll post pics tomorrow. I'm sad though.
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>>809720
It depends on what his neighbors are. If you don't care about them, and the pumpkin will win, it doesn't really matter. If the neighbors will out compete the pumpkin, or you like them, go ahead and direct the vine.
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>>809728
even if you drill holes in elderberries and inject them with glyphosate they're not going to die.
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>>809808
Does pokeweed work the same way?
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>>809817
pokeweed is easy to remove, it just has 1 big tap root with barely any bifurcation.
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When trying to grow a bean plant, are you supposed to put the whole pod in the ground, or pull the beans out of the pod and put those in the ground?
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Bought a new house (in the UK) a few months ago and it came with a polytunnel

The previous owner was an old guy that was drinking heavily since his wife died, so it was neglected for at least 1 year

Put in a few peas, corn, potatoes and tomatoes

With watering plenty of the existing plants came back including a nice grape vine, strawberries, onions, beets, asparagus

I have set up a dripper system and a sprinkler on a timer. Im considering rigging up the sprinkler to move along the roof.

I also need to trim back a lot as a lot of existing plants popped up in areas where I planted new seeds or seedlings.
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It's been at least two weeks since I transplanted my tomato plant from a pot to the ground, and it's done absolutely nothing since then.

It's still green, but it hasn't grown at all whatsoever.

Is there any hope for it?
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>>809894
It looks pretty dense. Can you get far enough in there to harvest everything?
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>>809927
Yes

I have gotten rid of some of the excess plants, especially the tomatoes

I have already had a crop of tasty strawberries as well!
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Is it necessary to have a pond in order to have friendly toads in my garden or just a shady place full of insects and vegetation?
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>>809161
>>809163
>>809193
Update on Jalapeno
Yesterday evening I got what I imagine were 2 leaf miners by holding a small flashlight to the back of the leaf with the tunnels and locking on when I saw what looked like a bug squirm around. Crushed them between 2 small pieces of metal, though I ended up pretty much punching a hole in the leaf at both spots so more precise violence in the future might work better.
Also have a lemon tree sapling that seems unaffected and looks healthy, but I'll watch both of them for early signs from now on
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>>809163
>>809951
I've got leaf miners in my bean plants as of yesterday.

Is manually crushing them the best way to get rid of them?
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>>809963
Probably not
I watched some videos on dealing with them though and generally they dealt with them by either removing affected leaves (Provided there are plenty of remaining leaves) or using special insecticides. Said Jalapeno didn't have many leaves nor did our gardening store have anything for leaf miners, so I opted for crushing them rather than ordering some pesticide and letting them eat to their heart's content while I waited on shipping
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Should I thin this? I know nothing about carrots and researching is a pain in the ass with just ass cellphone.
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>>809894
You lucky sob and not having the ground freeze ever year.
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whats the best hot pepper to grow to mulch into my yard to troll squirrels and chipmunks
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>>810027
Is that one carrot or a bunch of carrots close together?
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>>810027
Yes, thin it. Just cut the extra plants off, don't dig them up. Next time, sprinkle them lighter and more spread out.
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>>809735
You have to harden them off due to sunlight. It will rape them if they are indoors then go outside with them without hardening them. And, they are delayed in showing it for like a week sometimes.
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>>810091
So that's what happened then. I'll post pics of it soon. Could it fully recover?
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>>810037
serrano peppers
Where are you from? I'll mail you seeds
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>>810152
It may die in the center then produce a new center or shoot out a new head on the side.
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>>810154
naw the centre now has new growth and new green in it, it's just the longer ;greens that are browning and curling
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>>809151
the J is like an H Ricky
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>>810165
I prefer zesty morten and dressed all over chips
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my pepper(on the right) is doing great. the plant on the left is a sprout from a dead orchid i nursed. the sprout has grown very well.
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>>810196
also, my hibiscus is doing well even though all the flowers fell off. this pic is a little old. its more bushy now and the stems are stronger.

my cherry tomato plant has finally started to produce fruit. no pic though. the thai basil is doing well which is good because i thought it had a fungus problem but now it looks better than ever. too much sun? idfk...
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>>810198
>stem intertwining
Do your plant a favour and cut away all but one of the stems at the base, and prune the remaining one radically, in the long term this will be better
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>>810043
A couple.
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>>810218
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>>810209
i probably will have to but for now im gonna leave it alone and see what happens. i dont want to kill the plant.
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>>810220
If you tap on the phone's screen before you take a photo, it will focus on the object you tapped and adjust the lighting
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>>807871
I tried to avoid the stick method and just cut a top from a bottle and inverted it. Then I put the pit in the inverted lid and filled the bottle with water. My pit rotted.
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>>810209
This.
>captcha: one way
The captcha gods have ruled on this matter.
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>>810319
This comment got me like.
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>>807942
I gave up with mine after 2 months. You've given me hope anon, maybe I'll try again
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>>810370
I will report back once a tree grows out of the top
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Here's my pineapple, it's all fucked up
It's 4 years old now
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>>810525
Here it is in the winter inside
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>>810525
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My serrano peppers are going to get me a private cooking lesson with a Mexican qt
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>>810533
nice juan
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>>810535
She literally says my first name. I'm from Canada and she told me last week that she has to make salsa with jalapenos because she can't find Serrano peppers here
Coincidentally I was growing serranos as part of my gardening hobby
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>>810537
He was making a Spanish pun on "nice one."
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>>810539
Woah
Nice juan
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>>809926
Has it wilted or had a significant amount of diie back? If not, just give it time. Transplant shock is normally over within a week or so, but I've seen it last 2-4 weeks. Gardening takes patience.
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>>810622
There are some curled leaves at the top, but I don't know if they're new, or if they used to be full leaves and have since curled.
None of the leaves have died and none have fully wilted.
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R8 my cabbage
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>>810695
Slug nightclub/10
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Not sure what's up with my tomatoes. Is it normal for them to not grow for a month and look like they are dying?
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Radish patch, planted two months ago with some beans
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My lemon is a big boy!
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I've found what appear to be native blackberries a couple minutes from my house

Well, they might not actually be native but they're in an little spot filled with other plants and is clearly not being tended for or right by a house

It I take out a cane and bring it home how productive might it be compared to a cultivar from a store?
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>>810968
>It I take out a cane and bring it home how productive might it be compared to a cultivar from a store?
It's a bit late in the season for either option desu
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>>810986
I meant for next year
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>>810988
Just take them because right now they're probably just bird food and they're free
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>>810835
I've got a bunch of cuttings that aren't rooting. I'm using powder hormone, I think I'll have to double back and buy a gel.
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>>811032
I grew mine from seed
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>>810968
You need a rootball for blackberries. Raspberries are the ones that readily root from cuttings; it is easier to air layer them. For raspberry take this year's growth, it won't have berries on it. For blackberries it doesn't matter since you dig them up together.
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bought a cheap electrical weedwacker for my lawn.

the edges are now straighter than your sexuality.
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>>807871
Would adding liquid fertiliser to the water feeed the process up?
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My pumpkin hasn't grown at all for like 2 weeks
What gives?
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>>811186
Fungus gnats
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>>811189
I don't see any fungus
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>>811190
obviously, if you've got fungus gnats they're eating it.
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>>811202
Stop changing your tripcode I have to keep re-filtering you
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>>811186
Did you plant them plain soil, or did you transplant them?
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>>811213
I planted them directly in the soil. They are 2 different varieties as well. The one on the right is a white pumpkin
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>>811213
I grew them last year and they did really well. The one on the left is white variety, and one on the right is orange.

Tbh though I took the seeds from the pumpkins i grew last year so idk if they'll even be true to the parent, they could be a weird orange white hybrid
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Hey guys,

I have several plants (sweet pepper, habanero, basil, and roma tomatoes) in pots ranging from 10" - 16" diameter on my covered deck that gets direct sunlight for about 6 hours per day (~90F average daytime temp here).

The problem is that I'm going away on vacation for 8 days, so I need to have somebody come over to water them.

I know they'll at least be getting water every other day and I think that'll be good enough for all of my plants except for my tomatoes (16" pots).

As an experiment, I deeply watered my tomatoes yesterday morning (until water flowed out the drain holes on the pots) and as of right now, the soil is still moist 1" deep, but the top is obviously dry and I imagine by tomorrow morning (full 48 hr cycle) the dirt will be completely dry, even 1" deep.

The tomato plants just started flowering. If I let the soil go completely dry every other day for ~12 hours for a week straight, am I going to kill my tomatoes or stunt their growth?

Should I just ask my friend if they'll come and water every single day to be safe? I feel bad asking them to come and water for 8 days straight.
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>>811224
take a 1Litre bottle, fill it with water, poke holes in the lit, bury it upside down up to where the bottle tapers out to the full diameter. Poke a hole in the centre of the bottom (now top) of the bottle.

It will slowly seep out over time and should keep your soil moist enough, especially if you're only gone 8 days.
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>>811226

Do I have to worry about rotting my roots if I do that, especially if I still have my friend coming by to water them?
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>>811224
>>811226
like this
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>>811227
well tell your friend not to water those then.
My family has a cottage we only go to on weekend, so I do this to water tomatoes and peppers and some flowers when I'm gone during the week 5-6 days at a time. It works fine for me
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>>811228
>>811229

OK I might do this. Thanks for the advice.
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>>811210
He isn't, you just are not saving your settings correctly.

Go to:

>>38571

Set your settings to what you want them to be and add filters for trips and such. Make sure they work. While on that page, use the "Export Settings" button and copy the massive link it gives you. Set that page as a bookmark/favorite and paste that long link into it. Close your browser, open it, and go to that link before going anyplace else on 4chan. Your settings should be saved. You can use this method to have many different "profiles" if you want to. This is what you use when you don't allow sites to save cookies/setting or you have the browser wipe everything when you close it.
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>>811241
cool thanks for the info
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Has anyone tried growing blueberries under white pine? I am a forester and I think it would be a great combination. Both benefit from fires and blueberry plants like slightly acidic soil. Another idea, growing fields of grain underneath bur oaks.
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I got bored.
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>tfw discovered these pieces of shit on my ornamental Reineckea carnea
Apparently those are some kind of sawfly. Gave it an intense spraying of soap solution with which I have contained aphids before on other plants, dunno if that is sufficient (would repeat ofc) or if I have to up the chemical warfare
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>>811340
Whoops, I meant Polygonatum odoratum, both have similar trivial names here
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Just found out that the peppermint I grew to painstakingly from seed isn't actually peppermint at all because peppermint is sterile. What I got doesn't smell or taste like peppermint at all. Had to call amazon to get my money back. Guess I gotta get the real thing at walmart.
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>>811172
>straighter than your sexuality
That's most things.
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Weird how my rosemary behaves, I made a couple cuttings back last September and I treated them all exactly the same up until April (were indoors mostly)
Then I planted out the first batch in the garden in mid-April, while having the rest of them in really generously-sized pots (outside and full sun place), those eventually went into their permanent spots in mid-May and mid-June (2nd and 3rd batch)
Weird how planting out really seems to accelerate things and the April ones are far ahead (from left to right the ones planted out in April/May/June respectively)
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>>811361
For comparison, what they looked like in September
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>>811361
Those look nice but you could make the bushier with regular pruning. of the tops. Still, nice.
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>>807791
They are definitely leaf miners.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaf_miner
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>>811369
I intend to do so next late winter/spring because they're still in their first year
The April ones probably won't survive winter anyway, not because of the cold but the wet, as they're in a very heavy clay-like soil part of the garden (the "crops part"), I just put them there as companion for the kohlrabis, so I didn't mix under sand or so. The others are in a raised ornamental part with much better drainage - I have a few store-bought ones sitting there too (which I took the cuttings from in the first place) and they made it through winter easily though we had much more rain than usual
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Hey, >>811224
here.

I am also going to add mulch to my pots to retain more moisture.

Does anybody recommend any bagged mulch or type of mulch that'll be good for potted vegetables? Never worked with mulch before.
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>>811372
You've got it all figured out.
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>>811373
Is pic related in iceland? I hear they have elf/fairy advocated who advocate for the "hidden folk" when construction would disturb their settlements which I personally think is very dope.
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>>811377

Probably china. Construction happens there all the time even when people refuse, so the construction goes up around them.
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>>811378
But why leave the tree?
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>>811383

Cause the home-owner refused to have it cut down, probably.

They don't have eminent domain in china, so sometimes entire skyscrapers are built around people's shacks that they refuse to sell.
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>>811372
Also, here a comparison of the store-bought ones between December and today, I did heavily prune those around January and they're really bushy now, want them to eventually form a sort of low hedge, and at least for that part I'm getting there faster than expected (the May/June ones I mentioned earlier are just right of them, completing the wall, was too stingy to buy more than 3 plants last year)
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>>811186
They usually stay that size for a few weeks while and then explode in growth
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>>811361
It's called reaction norm:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaction_norm
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>>811161

Is there a certain season when this should be done?
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just got a rose bush, now im afraid of fuckhead kids stealing roses to give to their slampig girlfriends.
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