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Companion Planting - Raised Beds - Vertical Gardening - Square Foot Gardening - Polyculture - Composting - Mulching - Vermiculture - Espalier - Fungiculture - Aquaponics - Greenhouses - Cold Frames - Hot Boxes - Polytunnels - Forest Gardening - Aquaculture
Resources:
Murray Hallam’s Aquaponics: (sample: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYR9s6chrI0 )
-Aquaponics Secrets DVD
-Aquaponics Made Easy DVD
-DIY Aquaponics DVD (Aquaponics The First 12 Months And Aquaponics DIY DVD)
Backyard Aquaponics
https://kat.cr/backyard-aquaponics-t4385398.html
400+ PDF BOOKS ON GARDENING
https://kat.cr/400-pdf-books-on-gardening-t3324399.html
Youtube channel Growingyourgreens, tons of videos on almost every single gardening subject,
https://www.youtube.com/user/growingyourgreens
Ollas clay pot watering system,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkNxACJ9vPI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvKq5geEM-A
USA Time of Year Planting Guide,
http://www.motherearthnews.com/organic-gardening/what-to-plant-now-zl0z0903zalt.aspx
Food preservation,
http://nchfp.uga.edu/
https://kat.cr/complete-book-of-home-preserving-pdf-gooner-t10069401.html
https://kat.cr/canning-and-preserving-all-in-one-for-dummies-2011-mantesh-t5998098.html
http://www.allamerican-chefsdesign.com/admin/FileUploads/Product_49.pdf
Mushrooms, (culinary and psychoactive):
https://kat.cr/usearch/Stamets/
Mother Earth News' Vegetable Garden Planner program, (full version requires yearly subscription $fee)
http://www.motherearthnews.com/garden-planner/vegetable-garden-planner.aspx
Tons of Gardening/Farming PDFs
http://www.fastonline.org/?page_id=35
Aquaponics
http://www.fastonline.org/?page_id=32
US Farm Income and Taxes,
http://www.hobbyfarms.com/farm-marketing-and-management/farm-income-taxes-14991.aspx
US Grants and Loans for Small Farms,
http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/usda/usdahome?navid=GRANTS_LOANS
http://afsic.nal.usda.gov/farms-and-community/grants-and-loans-farmers
http://www.nal.usda.gov/afsic/pubs/funding.shtml
Managing Risks on Your Small Farm,
http://agr.wa.gov/Marketing/SmallFarm/managerisk.aspx
Chicken info and forum,
http://www.backyardchickens.com
Rabbit guide
http://www.agriculture.gov.tt/publications/manuals/rabbit-production-a-producer-s-manual.html
A public access seedbank for many types of rare or endangered plants; both edible and ornamental,
http://www.jlhudsonseeds.net/index.htm
Organic and heirloom selections:
http://sustainableseedco.com/
http://www.seedsofchange.com/
http://www.johnnyseeds.com/
Potato, Sweet Potato, and Tubers seed bank (free, but requies filling out forms and waiting in line):
http://www.cipotato.org/
Awesome interactive plant/gardening maps for USA, Canada, France, UK, BC, (frost dates, temp zones, etc):
http://www.plantmaps.com/index.php
Sprout seeds and info:
sproutpeople.org
Insect Habitats for attracting polinating bees, predatory/parasitic wasps, hibernating ladybugs, butterflies, etc.
http://www.inspirationgreen.com/insect-habitats.html
Toad and Hedgehog Habitats,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JetkWtw7Jc
http://familycrafts.about.com/od/frogcrafts/a/How_To_Make_A_Toad_Village.htm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/breathingplaces/hedgehog_home/
http://www.britishhedgehogs.org.uk/leaflets/L5-Hedgehog-Homes.pdf
Chili Peppers
http://www.fatalii.net/
http://www.chilepepperinstitute.org/
More on Aquaponics & Aquaculture,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=26xpMCXP9bw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=_WgfaJjvfxA
http://www.appropedia.org/Aquaponics
Sourcing plants from the grocery,
http://www.diyncrafts.com/4732/repurpose/25-foods-can-re-grow-kitchen-scraps
>>804122
How legit is "moon gardening"?
>>804130
It is only good for light cycles to trigger plants to do things, not much else.
Is there a cheap temporary compost bin I can make with items around the house? It's fine if the bin itself is compostable. Should I just use an amazon box?
>>804156
Any trashcan or box will work. Just allow airflow into it or it will turn bad and smell bad.
>>804158
How do I allow air flow into it?
>>804159
>>804162
Oh I'm sorry I thought this was a place for beginners up not a place for already knowledgeable people to masturbate about how advanced they are. Oh, wait. I'm right and you're the outsider dickhead. Shoo shoo, satan.
>>804164
Dude just get a black, open container and throw compostables in it (plant matter, NO meat). Place it somewhere fresh air can get at it or everything will smell like rot. A trash can is fine just take the lid off. Once a week mix all the contents in the bin.
>>804159
Put some rocks in the bottom
Cut a hole in it
Throw some straw in with it
Shake it around once and awhile.
Etc etc.
>>804156
Yes and no
Any Roma growers here?
I've got over 50 tomatoes on this plant and the bunch in the middle towards the bottom has 9 . Is that too many? should I pull off some small ones?
>>804262
>Roma
Literally shit tier 2/10 tomato.
>>804277
There are also several cultivars of Roma. "Roma VF" is just 1. To name a few:
La Roma II
La Roma III
Italian Roma
Roma VF
Golden Roma II VF
Granadero
Sweet Orange Roma
Martino's Roma
Mariana Hybrid
I even grew my own crosses or Roma with a yellow plum tomato. Each one is different in flavor and they have several uses.
>>804262
That is normal. If you want all larger tomatoes you can keep the number of tomatoes per truss to only 6. Don't trim the entire truss off. With large tomato varieties you trim them to 4 tomatoes, but Roma are small so six is fine. I personally don't trim any off the trusses.
What do you have planned for them? I home can pastes and sauces with mine when I grow roma.
Figured I might chip in with my tomatoes! A bit crowded but they are really healthy and producing lots of fruit so I will leave em be! Growing in scandinavia
>>804306
Thanks. I use them for Salsa, pizza toppings, sandwiches , salads pretty much anything.
I may try to make some pizza sauce or spaghetti sauce too
>>804350
Ah, the old tomato hedgerow
>>804425
They are San Marzano which I thought was a Roma variety until now. Thank you
>San Marzano tomato, is a variety of plum tomato, considered by many chefs to be the best of its kind in the world.[1]
Compared to the Roma tomato, San Marzano tomatoes are thinner and more pointed. The flesh is much thicker with fewer seeds, and the taste is stronger, sweeter and less acidic. Many people[who?] describe the taste as bittersweet.
The San Marzano vines are indeterminate and have a somewhat longer season than other paste tomato varieties, making them particularly suitable for warmer climates. As is typical of heirloom plants, San Marzano is an open-pollinated variety that breeds true from generation to generation, making seed saving practical for the home gardener or farmer.
I had stalls to clean, plus a fallow bed that was growing weeds. I decided to see if fresh horse shit will burn the weeds when used as a mulch.
I'm going to show /out/ my corn project. I'm working on breeding a genetically diverse, locally adapted quasi-cultivar of corn. I say quasi-cultivar, because I don't care about stability. I care about resilience. I started off with several different cultivars of corn, and have been mixing them up, and letting them pollinate promiscuously. Off the top of my head, the genetics come from:
Painted Mountain
Navajo Blue Corn
"Posole" Corn
Earth Tones Dent
Some random Indian Decorative Corn
Another random Blue Corn
Hickory King
Bloody Butcher
There are a few others that I can't think of right now too. A lot of that population is F1, F2 and F3 hybrids. You may say that it is planted too close together, but 1) I want the competition to cull out unsuitable plants and 2) I used an equidistant plant spacing scheme that is literally 20% or 30% more efficient than just using a grid.
The circled plant is probably 1 1/2 feet shorter than the surrounding plants. I suspect it is going to have a poor yield, and thus won't be selected for seed for next year.
You'll notice two stalks which are significantly shorter. I suspect these two germinated quite a bit later than the others, and thus, they are going to get crowded out. I will be surprised if they produce anything, and if they do, it will be some dinky little 3" cobs. Hard germination means not passing on their genetics to the next generation.
You'll also notice that there are weeds in there. I want the corn to outcompete the weeds, but will pull them before they go to seed. This is part of what I mean by locally adapted.
Also, of note, there are plenty of volunteer Tepary Beans in there, so there is some nitrogen fixation going on. If you guys aren't familiar with Teparies, you should familiarize yourselves with them. They are a dry bean only, but they can be dry farmed in the Sonoran Desert. Plus, I like them better than pintos. Give them a semi-regular water, and they are prolific producers.
As to whether they are a bush or a pole bean, the answer is yes;)
There is some significant insect damage on that plant, and also the one next to it. I don't know if the damage is random, of if there is something with those plants that made them more susceptible to insects. Often, the more healthy the plant, the less likely it is to suffer a variety of forms of damage. If it has an effect on the yield, it is less likely to pass on its genetics to the next generation. If it produces big, healthy cobs anyway, it is a sign that it can handle some damage and still pull through.
It may be hard to tell from the pic, but you can tell by the average height of the plants where the afternoon shade starts to creep in first. When selecting plants for seed, I will have to take this into account. Corn really does like full sun, so the plants that get some shade, starting at about 2PM-3PM are going to be at an environmental disadvantage.
I had some terribly strong down drafts a few days ago, due to some virga. That one plant lodged fully, yet it is starting to upright itself. I doubt it will make it, but I'll let it try anyway. It's probably a plant that will not pass on its genetics. I had a few others partially lodge, but they uprighted themselves fully within a day or a day and a half. If they are prone to lodging, I really don't want them in my garden, so that one is one that I most likely will not save any seed from, even if it does produce. The problem with lodging is that it can take other stalks down with it that would have otherwise been fine.
>>804350
Are you donating them to your local refugee center?
The tallest corn is in this pic. It still hasn't tasseled yet, and that is at 8'-9' tall. It looks promising, but I don't count a plant in until harvest. That is also in an area that gets no afternoon shade.
Another lodging, but this one was most likely foul play from some critter, as there is nothing in the weather that would have caused that since the downdrafts that I had the other day, and it made it through those just fine. It is hard to see in the pic, but that is actually just a tiller. The plant still has the main stalk and another tiller, so it still might produce yet.
Just a general view of the corn. I planted around 500 plants, which is more than sufficient to prevent inbreeding depression. The general rule of thumb is to plant a minimum of 200 plants and save from a minimum of 100 with corn. I also include seed from years past, and when I see some new packet of some form of heirloom corn in a nursery, I snag it and introduce it into the population with the intent of maintaining genetic diversity, potentially adding new beneficial traits to the population, and also for having fun with new colors.
>>804350
Don't you remove the suckers? I mostly do with mine (majority are late-maturing San Marzanos, on some plants I let a "second stem" grow to see how it compares) and I'm in the Rhineland, so assuming you're either on the Danish-German border or the South-Easternmost tip of Sweden, it's still on average about 2°C warmer here, yet the season is incredibly short, first ripe tomatoes on my Cherrolas will probably show up in early July, San Marzano probably mid- to late July and by mid-October there will be barely any new ones ripening (sun will be very weak at that point), and by the time the first light frosts roll around in usually early November, the plants will already be fucked up by potato blight
Letting them grow bushy will only delay the start of harvest even more, so I remove suckers every other day or so
Fug. Are these aphids? I'm on a balcony growing shit out of pots so I can't rely on other bugs eating them
>>804522
Indeed they are.
>>804522
You have them potted? Take them to your shower and hose them off. Or use garden hose.
>>804528
Should I just try soap and water? I've never really had an aphid problem before. Is that okay for the plants? My balcony is covered so there's no rain to rinse off the plants, if that matters, and anything I spray on them will just end up in the pots.
>>804522
Yep,
Use a spray bottle with water and one drop of soap or a hard spray of water to dislodge them.
I fugged up growmen, I seeded too late and I did not treat my seedlings with care. Now it's july and most of my plants are 2 inches tall and my 2nd or 3rd attempt at starting them from seed.
Learn a lesson every year, right?
>>804537
Yup, start them indoors 2 months before the last frost in your area.
>>804537
Yeah growing from seeds on a high balcony hasn't been so great for me in past years, a bad day of wind just murders seedlings. This year I've had a better go of it with these already started plants. They look all chomped on now though. Especially the green pepper. It's weird these things turned up very quickly and seem to be fucking things up just as fast, no idea where they came from as I'm 9 stories up. Goddamn.
>>804537
>>804540
Meh, even if you start early enough, bad weather can just fuck things over.
Started my bell peppers indoors in early March, with artificial lighting and all that shit, planted outside in early May but they're still tiny as fuck and probably won't produce much, as late spring/early summer has been rather cool here
>>804540
They ride winds or decide to grow wings
>>804545
I had always hoped 9 stories was above the bug-o-sphere. Alas. Now to begin the purge.
So it's fall veggie time. This will be my first year utilising my plot of land. I'm gonna be growing beets, turnips, and radishes. One of the seed packets say to stagger the plantings 10 days for a manageable harvest but about how many plants should I be planting about to have make a manageable go of it?
I really want to grow a rose. A Moonstone Rose, or a Veteran's Honor rose. How difficult is upkeep on rose plants anyway? I'm likely going to transplant one into a big pot and have it nice and cozy with an olla.
in other news: I moved my Cacti to new bigger pots, and rain has kept the soil constantly wet. I'm worried about root rot ;_;
Found a qt baby lizard on my starfruit today. Hopefully it will eat all those fucking sharpshooter fucking pieces of shit.
I've been on a daily mission killing every one I find. I hate seeing the sap dripping from my plants in the hot sun...
They seem to have gotten smarter though, and now jump at first sight of me rather than trying to hide on the other side of the branch or stalk they're on.
>>804483
Neat stuff, cornbro.
>>804539
I Don't get frost, so timing is a bit different; heat is what kills my plants here.
I planted late because I let my winter veg hold on for too long and let my soil go empty for a month. Then I let my seedlings get one bad day off too much sun and boom, all of them were dead. I didn't try again for two weeks, half of those didn't sprout... lessons, all lessons learned.
This has been the crappiest june too-- so hot and wet all my plants have some fungus problem. I broke down and got copper spray it was so bad, but there's no fixing what's damaged now.
Also, to chime in on the roma bitch fest, I hate all the roma tomatoes I've ever grown. Even the "resistant" varieties seem to attract more bugs, bacterial infections, and fungus than the other tomatoes.
I ended up with some this year by replanting some volunteer grape tomato seeds. I was very disappointed, as these volunteer grapes are my favorite tomato plant yet.
> Pic related: Two plants on one trellis from about march. They exploded after this, and during the peak I picked 10+ bright red tomatoes every single day.
>>804554
>>804658
Thanks. I will keep you updated, but as you know, gardening means that those updates will take time. In the end, I'll weigh everything and do a per-acre yield calculation as well. I ran into this guy on other gardening forums, and, having a background where I have done quite a bit with genetic algorithms, his methods just clicked with me:
http://garden.lofthouse.com/adaptivar-landrace.phtml
I also tried that with summer bush type squashes, and last year, I found out that being a bush type squash is a recessive trait. Even crossing with other bush type squashes, I got C Pepo vining type squashes. They tasted great, but I had planted them spaced about right for bush squashes, not 15' vines sprawled all over the place.
Experimenting with this stuff is fun.
Another thing that I'm working on is getting true garlic seed. What most people call seed garlic is not true seed. Garlic has been cloned for so many generations that it has almost forgotten how to sexually reproduce and produce true seed. I'll take some pictures and give an explanation tomorrow for those who are interested.
I do have some true seed in the fridge being cold stratified right now from 2 years ago that I thought I had lost until recently. It boggels my mind thinking that probably not 1 in 1,000,000 people have actually seen true garlic seed, and yet I produced some.
>>804739
I've never heard of heat killing tomatoes. How hot is it there?
What is killing my beans?
Among the ones that produced vegetables, 40 % of my beans died.
>>804794
The leaves are drying / turning yellow and eventually falling, leaving nothing but the twigs on the plants.
>>804489
I let the plant have 3 big stems so I leave two suckers per plant! The rest I get rid of and use as mulch to prevent soil from evaporating the water. I live further north than you but I think I will be fine with the ripening, otherwise I will just pick the green ones and let them sit in my windows for a whole while until they turn red!
>>804794
>>804797
Looks like mites to me but I'm not 100% sure. . Are there any webs on the bottom of the leaves? Webs would confirm. Sometimes the mites are visible by the eye too, but they are very tiny. In my experience, larger plants tend to attract larger mites.
Mites dominate plants that are already stressed by hot weather or low humidity. They are also seasonal. Prevention is better than trying to fix the problem once it's that bad.
>>804656
Nice. Gonna be importing toads next year for the fucking nibbling caterpillars. Fucking up my beautiful basil.
>>804656
If you feed them crickets they won't do that. They are prey animals after all. If they associate you with sustenance then they won't run so quickly. Like all physical things feed them and they will come.
>>804923
I recently found a toad in my potato hill and I'm hoping more come. I don't have a flea beetle problem or bugs so I doubt it.
>>804924
Not the lizards, I mean the sharpshooters have gotten smarter. Used to be they'd just circle around the same branch so I could easily grab and smash them, but now they jump and fly off when I come near. It's really hampering my attempted genocide. I thought the population had dwindled some but just went out this morning and there were about 10 on my mango.
>>805014
Oh. Godspeed, green brother.
>>804927
Too bushy means better vector for spreading disease though from what I've heard
And you'd have to space out the single plants more anyway, so it's not that you're getting more per area
Yesterday, I said that I'd post some pics and information on getting true garlic seed. Here we go.
Garlic is a plant that is typically propagated via cloning. It has been cloned for so many generations that it has almost forgotten how to sexually reproduce. (Poor plant.) While cloning is easy, there are some potential long term ramifications that could put garlic crops at risk. For starters, damage to the chromosomes that would get fixed via sexual reproduction does not get fixed. It builds up over time. Viruses also build up over time, and sexual reproduction can get rid of those. Another issue is that, without sexual reproduction, new cultivars cannot be bred.
One big disadvantage with planting from seed is that you plant your seed one year, and then you harvest the next year. Perhaps this could be overcome via breeding, but people thousands of years ago would have used this is their primary reason for cloning, rather than using true seed. They didn't understand that there were such things as viruses and DNA. We do.
To get on with the explanation of getting true garlic seed, you need to understand that there are two general kinds of garlic: Hardneck and Softneck. Most of the garlic that you purchase in grocery stores is softneck garlic. Pic related (not mine) is hardneck garlic.
Notice the hard shaft, or neck, in the middle of the bulb, as that is missing in softneck garlic. What this is is the base of the scape, which is just another name for the part of the plant that grows up and produces a flowering head.
Softneck garlic has forgotten how to produce a flowering head. That's how badly we've fucked such a wondrous plant, on top of not letting it have sex. We've taken the naughty bits away from a lot of the cultivars.
In short, if you want garlic that is just about guaranteed to produce a flowering head, you need to select hardneck garlic.
What does a flowering head of garlic look like? It is a lot like the flowering head of an onion when in full bloom, but if left unaltered it has one enormous difference: Bulbils. Pic related is one of my garlic plants with its sheath just starting to break open. (This is descended from a softneck garlic that I had purchased at the grocery store and planted, which miraculously decided to bolt, or scape.) You'll notice that it is quite a bit more solid than an onion head.
What is a bulbil? It is kind like a miniature clove of garlic. You can plant them, and they will grow into garlic plants. In >>805063 pic, the plant was from a bulbil that had been planted 2 years prior. This is still, however, cloning. It does have the advantage of avoiding many ground borne diseases, but it typically will take 2 seasons to reach full maturity. Pic related is an immature bulbil.
One of the issues with bulbils is that the plant diverts all of the energy that it sends to the flowering head into the bulbils rather than the flowers. Since you need the flowers for sexual reproduction, this means that the bulbils need to go. Some people remove them with tweezers. I find this to be far too time consuming while sitting in the hot sun. I use my thumb nail to get a few off on the bottom, and once an empty space is created, I use my thumb to get them off. I do damage a few flowers by doing this, but it is worth the time that it saves.
Again, the garlic in >>805071 is from softneck garlic that decided to not be softneck and bolted. I'm trying to get seed from that, and if I do, I'll be the first person that I know of who has done so. Pic related is from a line that I have gotten true seed from in the past.
Once you've removed your bulbils, that will free the flowering head up to put energy towards the flowers, which is what you want. You inevitably will miss a few bulbils, especially if you are doing a large number of plants. It is a good idea to come back a few days later to check. Pic related is one where I missed a few. They're gone now.
After you have removed the bulbils, a good sign is when the flowers start to turn purple, like pic related. I've not messed with cultivars where the flowers don't turn purple, but according to others, flowers that don't turn purple are far less likely to be fertile. As you can see in pic related, they are just starting to turn purple, and I removed the bulbils 4 or so days ago. They were white.
Back to my softneck turned hardneck, I removed the bulbils about 6 days ago, and it is iffy if they are going to turn purple. If they are sterile, hopefully they are only male sterile. I am going to take a paint brush and gather pollen from the strain that has produced seed in the past and pollinate half of the softneck turned hardneck, just in case. However, pic related shows that there is hope, as a few of the flowers are just barely starting to turn color.
Once you've done all of this, and then played the waiting game, what does true garlic seed look like? Onion seed! Pic related (sorry about the piss-poor quality of the pic) is some true garlic seed that I produced in 2014, then subsequently lost, only to find again about a week ago.
While it is very late to do so, I am getting it prepped for germination. The reason that I am doing it now is because first generation true garlic seed is barely viable. If you were to just go and plant it in the ground, you would be doing well to get 3% germination, and a lot of those plants would probably die. Being 2 years old, I worry about whether it will germinate now even taking extra steps to raise the germination rate, and I don't want to wait until mid winter.
To get it to germinate, it is recommended that you cold stratify the seeds. While there are various ways to do this, I have put it onto a moist paper towel, placed it into an UNSEALED ziplog baggie, and placed it in the fridge. Most people recommend a month of this before soaking the seeds in a 1% bleach solution for 20 minutes to ensure that there is no fungus. After that, it is a good idea to get some quality seed starting mix that is free of disease and fungus. After all of that, you can expect a 13% germination rate.
I know, that seems like an awful lot of work for 13% germination rate, but 2nd generation seed takes a lot less work to get from the plant, and germinates at a much higher rate. I talked with a geneticist friend of mine about this and she agreed that there was a lot of epigenetics involved. Things get turned off/on and pass that on to the offspring.
Anyway, that is as far as I have made it with growing garlic from true seed. Hopefully in a few weeks, I'll be posting pics of garlic seedlings.
Will my packaged seeds keep to next year or is it a use them or lose them deal? The ones I'm most concerned about are my herbs (peppermint, sage, oregano) and some of my veggies (okra, turnip, beets). Should I just put them in the ground and see what happens since I don't have enough seedling pots to grow them all before the season ends.
>>805180
If you store them in a cool, dry place they should keep for about a year or so I think
when planting the three sisters do I space the corn 1 foot apart and then plant everything else in that 1 foot space? planning my garden for next season
>>805088
This is FASCINATING. Definitely keep us updated, and let me know if you'd sell the seed, I'd like to try growing from seed.
>>805215
Heyy how do I do this?
>>805067
>tfw i couldn't keep my entire bed of elephant garlic bulbils plants weeded and now they are super overgrown
Oh well, some might survive, best use it to harvest this winter's and next season's "weed" seeds at least.
>>805304
I already googled it, that's why I'm asking. I already know the plant order just not a good mental picture of the ground. I have to block my corn instead of row it but it just doesn't seem like enough space to me at 1 foot spacing. The entire point of the three sisters is to provide nitrogen and prevent weeds I don't want them competing for sun.
>>805303
Except that Elephant Garlic is not actually garlic. It's actually a leek.
>>805341
And everything is a lily, what is your point?
I've got a potato box going, but my potatoes are growing faster than I can construct new layers for it.
Are the potatoes going to be okay if I just let the plants snake all over the ground, or should I put posts in behind the plants and tie the plants to them to keep them upright?
>>805348
Potatoes are pretty sturdy so they'll do okay if you neglect them a little. Don't water them from the top, water them at ground level and if the wind gets bad put up something to block it out. If the leaves touch the ground at all they're liable to get damaged from rot or pests.
>>804784
Florida; mostly it kills the new and the unwatered. I've had to water my plants twice a day during hot dry spells. Solanaceae handle it better than any other plants I have, even my watermelon got sun bleached last year. Also, heat brings more pests and fungus/disease and the worst of summer just stresses my plants to death.
These babies just aren't ready yet. I have them under a frame with burlap in full sun-- the dappled light is doing them good. I just take the cover off for an extra hour every day, starting with the off-peak sunlit hours
>>805387
What is your soil like? I water my NM chiles, watermelons and melons probably once every 5-9 days, and I live in NM. My tomatoes are in afternoon shade from about 2PM-3PM on and I water them every 3-4 days.
/out/'s opinion on lunar planting? Anyone do it?
>>805387
This is the first year I've ever had sun bleaching of vegetable plants. So, something is different at least.
>>805420
It's a wive's tale, IMO. Temperature is the main driver, and for some plants, day length is important.
>>804794
Its literally thrips, mine look the same. Kill them with water with a bit of soap in them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7qYfMQkLBo
>>805446
Lay the sod, pupper
>>805088
Very interesting stuff. Do you have any advice on growing garlic from cloves? I gather they need to be overwintered before they'll make new garlic.
>>805434
>googles thrips
Gnarly. Not that guy but how much soap are we talking?
>>805454
Not that guy but I used this on my potatoes:
2 parts rubbing alcohol, 5 parts water, and 1 tablespoon liquid soap in a spray bottle. Use after every watering/rain until pests are gone.
>>805464
>parts
>parts
>tablespoon
Bruh. Thanks for helping but I'm not more confused than when I knew nothing.
>>805466
Just eyeball it, you'll be fine.
>>805466
parts is any unit, in ratio. Say if you used 2 cups of alcohol, you'd need 5 cups of water and 1 tablespoon of soap. Want twice as much? Double the amounts just make sure you keep the ratio.
>>805452
Make sure your soil is healthy. That's extremely fucking vague.
>>805351
>Don't water them from the top, water them at ground level
You mean water the ground surrounding the box, rather than the soil inside the box?
Isn't the point of a potato box to coax the plants to put roots/tubers higher up as more dirt is put on them? I would think the higher roots would need water as well.
>>805493
No water the dirt not the leaves. If you water the leaves directly they might get too heavy to support themselves and fall over. If they're already too long and you can't get them covered with more dirt they'll fall over and stay over for as long as they're wet
>>805497
Oh, right. I get you.
As far as covering them with more dirt, does it matter, in their development, how quickly that happens? If they go two weeks without the dirt level rising, and then I'm able to put more on, will the tubers move into the higher dirt alright?
r8 muh tomatoes
first thing I've ever grown
>>805518
>>805519
Well done, good sir.
>>805088
Cool, corn/garlic bro.
I've saved bulbils a few years and planted from them, but I finally quit and just grow from cloves.
I, too, am interested to hear about your garlic seed over the years.
On a market side, in New England, supposedly there is decent money in garlic shoots/ Save the bulbils, plant them early, and then sell the shoots as greens. People pay decent money (one of the earliest "greens" of the spring).
>>805470
Not the earlier guy, but he was confused because part = x, and tablespoon is fixed.
>>805428
>>805420
The moon plays a role in light triggering plants into cycles that's all. There's nothing else to it. So, if you plant for your plants to be at a certain age when there is a full moon it will trigger them into the next phase of development at that time (flowering). You can do this artificially with lights if they are indoors. It really isn't that big of a thing though. Some plants actively try to prevent this in order to prevent their cycles from becoming messed up.
>>805387
OK. It sounds like we have established that it is the lack of water that kills the plants not the heat
>>805426
Do you have any pictures of that sun bleaching?
>>805470
So 2 tsp alcohol 5 tsp water and 1 tablespoon of soap. Or 2 liters of alcohol, 5 liters of water, and 1 tablespoon of soap. I think I get it now that you used and example but at first you said 2 ratios and a fixed measurement.
>>805518
Nice. What size are those pots?
>>805564
What size is a good first question. What kind of tomato is another. Tomatoes rarely produce that much. What else have you done? If you like the way they taste, save some seed. You have some keepers there.
>>805569
What this guy said.
>>803533
...and we're getting there! 1-2 more days
>>805563
believe me it's just easier to deal with soap in tablespoons
>>804615
I'm pretty sure there are some moonstone roses in my garden that I've never touched. So I'd imagine they aren't that hard.
One of my zucchini plants is about 1/3rd the size of the others and some of the leaves are completely bright yellow. I don't mean yellow spots I mean fully yellow.
What is wrong with it?
I'm not too fussed because it's only one plant.
>>805621
You could have a virus, or you could have squash vine borers. I don't get the borers here, so google would be a better consultant on diagnosing it. What I do get, that can totally wreck squash, is pic related. That pic has both nymphs (young) and adult squash bugs. They stink like fuck, and will destroy a squash plant. A lot of times, you notice them because of dying, yellowing leaves, then you flip it over, and you see those stinky motherfuckers fucking your shit up. I hate them with a passion and would genocide the entire fucking useless species if I could.
Hey guys, I need some help.
Somebody will give me some seeds, and I'd like to know when should I germinate them (I never did this before). Should I wait for the autumn?
The seeds are:
>Acer Palmatum Deshojo (Japanese maple)
>Acer Palmatum (cultivar not specified)
>Ginkgo Biloba
>Quercus Coccinea (Scarlet Oak)
>Malus Sylvestris (European crab apple)
>>805628
>pic
>>805635
You want to know what works well when you get them like that? A fucking shop vac. or any other wet-dry vac for that matter. Vacuum your squash, folks. Who gives a fuck if your neighbors think you're nuts?
>>805631
Unless you are going to grow them in pots indoors, at least until next season, or in a greenhouse, spring is the best time for that. Some plants, like winter wheat and winter rye are different, but just figure on spring for most plants.
My basil plant falls over. Should I stake it or something or is it find? The main stem is really thick but come out of the pot at an angle almost like a vine so its easier I think for it to fall over than stand up.
>>805681
The idea is to do it outdoors. I guess that all of them have a similar process, and I could plant them in autumn, water regularly, and expect something above the next spring.
I'm in Spain, btw. Close to the Atlantic Ocean.
>>805687
Stake it up.
If you don't fix it too tight to the stake, it should be fine.
>>805690
I don't know about all your species, but at least for apples they need stratification (cold period) to sprout, and your winters may not be cold enough for that, so maybe you can place them in a fridge at constant slight above freezing (~2°C) from November to January or so
>>805691
Staked it to a chopstick. Can I do something to get it to grow bushier. It's got ridiculously big leaves which is part of the reason it keeps fallin over.
>>805715
forgot the pic
I already posted my peppers two threads ago, but now they started to grow fruit like crazy and even the ones without fruit yet are chock full of blossoms. Pic related.
No fruit yet: Jalapeno, Tabasco, Trinidad Perfume, Fireflame F1. Is this normal?
I kind of worry about my Habanero El Remo, it grows nicely but only has one blossom. Any advice or am I just impatient?
Also could someone verify that the purple framed one is indeed a Peruvian Purple? I got it for free but without label.
>>805720
its wet in the middle but drier at the top edges but its got good moisture past the top soil. It's not limp, just sorta bent from being left fallen over.
>>805717
Looks like a lack of water, but sometimes these are the same symptoms of an excess. So : does the pot have draining holes?
Though, doesn't seem like a deficiency of any sort to me.
>>805728
>Also could someone verify that the purple framed one is indeed a Peruvian Purple? I got it for free but without label.
looks like it
>I kind of worry about my Habanero El Remo, it grows nicely but only has one blossom. Any advice or am I just impatient?
Does it have the same conditions than the others? (Particularly lighting)
From what I know, pepper flowering and fruiting is regulated by colour temperature (when the light turns to more-red dominated frequencies than blue ones, so summer's sun) and illumination time
>>805742
They are all situated on a kind of "staircase", but in the same place in my garden, so yeah, sun, soil, fertilizer and water are all the same.
>>805740
I cut it down to about 1 1/2 inch. When I bought it the leaves were already bigger than anything I'd ever seen and I didn't know how it would work and was curious. Apparently poorly. Don't but dumbo-eared plants because curiosity because they are like bigheaded babies.
>>805728
Those look like some nice healthy plants to me. Peppers can be prolific producers, and they will continue to produce if you keep on picking. Those Anaheims will be good if you pick them right before they turn red and roast them.
Some peppers will stop setting fruit if the daily temperature gets too high, and will resume again once things cool down a bit. If you are growing them as an annual, many cultivars will continue to produce right up until the first frost.
I'm kind of jealous, TBQH. Mine are behind schedule due to a weedpocalypse plus not having the time to tend to the garden at all. I've finally got that under control, and they typically don't produce throughout the month of July anyway, so it's not as big of a deal as it could be, but still.
>>805750
Thanks!
I also have Cassis and they grow so much fruit it's awesome. Pic related.
I also have raspberries,cranberries, strawberries and cherries this year (even a yellow cherry, lol).
Cucumbers, tomatoes, lettuce, too.
They all grow great so far but my cranberries do not really want to blossom (yet), I wonder why, I read a few guides and tried to stick to them.
Can't make a photo though, it starts to get dark here.
>>805758
They also have the same kind of pots. Could it be possible that the Habanero just needs a bit more space to really thrive?
>>805760
Some of those super hot peppers can be finicky and some simply take longer to start producing. That's part of why I rarely mess with them.
>>805760
I don't think so, if your pot size is roughly adapted to your aerial volume, it's not a matter of concern.
Plus I've had pepper fruiting with a far-too-tiny pot, given proper light and temperature. Wait for it a little, it's gonna fruit eventually.
>>805677
I can see the logic in that and will do, if faced with such horrific amounts of them.
>>805758
Thanks. I'll do that. I'm not sure what kind it is but I've bought tons of them and never had one so big leafed. Thinking about it it beggars belief the stem to leaf area ratio. If the new leaves do that I'm just gonna kill it and chalk it up to a genetic failure.
I'm to lazy to research so..
What're these things on my garlic?
>>805820
You mean the curly thing that's sticking out the top? That's a flowering stalk, otherwise known as a scape. Most people cut them off and eat them.
>>805811
You're welcome, good luck
>>805819
You're welcome, try to not harm the little buds between leaves and stem, that's were the new stems will come from.
From my experience, leaves size are dependent of a lot of factors (sun, pot size and quality of the soil, etc.). I wouldn't toss it just because new leaves aren't as big as the old. (Plus, the more you cut it to eat it, the smaller new leaves will be, if you don't let it recover between two cuttings).
>>805820
I want the leaves to be smaller. The old ones were way to big. If they are normal sized that would be great.
>>805073
>softneck garlic that decided to not be softneck and bolted.
That garlic plant is alpha as FUCK.
Holy shit.
>>805855
Are you speaking about the garlic, or about the basil?
>>805870
The basil. Leaves the size of pic related would be great.
It's been an odd year.
Two inches of snow at the end of March and then a scorching hot June with pretty much no rain.
Everything I've watered has done really well. The yard went to shit. RIP all the grass seed I threw down.
Peas are starting to put on new growth, hopefully I'll get another flush.
Tomatoes are setting, but only on the ones in the straw bales. The ones actually in the ground aren't really doing anything.
>>805888
Start one of those no-mow yards. Fuck grass.
>>805873
Yeah, sure. I think that's what you'll have with the plant you showed earlier. Also, besides watering issues, if your location is windy enough, the basil will quickly have a strong stem which will prevent it from falling
>>805715
The way I get my mint to get more bushy is that I trim it short enough to have a healthy set of leaves and then let it regrow. It forces it to make the base thicker and grow branches. Basil is only yearly though, so it might not be worth it.
>>805715
>Can I do something to get it to grow bushier
Pinch back the new growth at the top of the plant like pic related
>>805715
>>805925
New growth will sprout from the sides of the plant. You can really shape your plant just by pinching off stems you dont want growth at anymore
>>805888
Here, all months so far have been wetter than average this year
June had a daily mean temp of 17.9°C which is actually close to the long-term average of 1991-2015 (17.8°C)
Much more rain though (85.8mm, avg is 52.8mm) and very cloudy, second darkest in the period (177 sunshine hours, avg is 231)
Tomatoes, carrots, thyme, rosemary, oregano and sage don't seem to mind and thrive well, but parsley is drowned, bell peppers are very slow and both brussels sprouts and kohlrabi are almost completely eaten away by insects or shit
>>805888
I wish more Homegrownmen would do timelapse stuff.
>>805892
>plow everything!
I'd love for my entire yard to be nothing but graveled walkways and raised beds. Only that is like 3 fucking acres. I think I could handle it and love every minute of farming it. I just need a good earth mama and 10 kids.
I just wanna know how meller's doing ;_;
Why are you so obsessed with some guys watermelon?
>>805991
i... idunno
Should I repot my poha berry? It's supposed to have a shallow root system, so would a wide pot be good?
>>806005
nah. Unless it's become completely rootbound in the pot, just leave it. replant once you start seeing root tips in the bottom hole of the pot
>>805394
The cucumbers are on a raised bed made of mostly peat moss, old straw, and compost. It has a ton of uncompacted space inside the mound and it has excellent drainage. It's been losing too much moisture lately, and while the plants never suffer from flash flood waterlogging, this summer heat is evaporating water faster than I can replace it. Humidity has a lot to do with this day-to-day it seems, and I haven't gotten the knack of sensing when I need 2-3 trips over the one watering for the day. I recently re-mulched it, but I think it could do with more compost and straw over the mulch I have down now.
The other parts of my garden are not having this issue, but have entirely different soil composition and sunlight hours.
>>805548
Yes.
Also, having some weird plant issues that look like nutrient deficiency (especially calcium, which I have been religious about re-supplying every week or two) I'm hoping this is once again a water issue?
>>806034
try adding some epsom salts to your water.
adds magnesium and sulfur.
My climbing bean plants have reached the top of the trellis I put up for them.
What happens now?
Will they be fine if I just leave them alone to grow wherever, or should I put another trellis above the current one and guide them into it?
This is by far the most badass thread I've ever been a part of in years. /out/ is super underrated.
>>806099
it's because it's july
Scandinavian balconytomatoes. Lots of small green ones right now!
>>804350
what variety is this? did you try this before and had good results?
the weather has finally improved.
back to slaving those petunias.
>>806182
and the first tomato has passed the 5 ft mark.
There's tiny white bugs on my mint and they're killing it
They leave webs all over it
What the fuck do I do???
>>806188
Pic related
If you can see..
Spider mites?
>>806204
Dust the whole plant?
Will ladybirds help?
>>806159
Those look really healthy and all those blossoms.
Heres a few from the Pacific Northwest. 100F all last week and they're lovin' it
>>806211
your garden looks a bit bare.
>2 days ago.
>>806205
Yes and yes. Try the beetles first I guess. It will take a while. But, hosing these things off before they make too many webs is essential.
>>806215
That's life in the desert. Even though water is dirt cheap here I'm too lazy to water 5 hours a day
I was weeding this bed overgrown with crabgrass and found this big ass hole. Whatsit, /out/? I live in north carolina and the bed is about 4 1/2 feet up but has stairs and the gate was broken for a couple weeks that somemthing could have gotten in. The hole is about 4 inches wide and 3 inches tall at its smallest point. Should I be scared or intrigued? Can some knowledgeable person tell without pics?
It seems too big for a snake and if its mole/voles I'd like to nip it in the bud. This side of the garden is non-food but I'd hate for a family to get somfortable. If its rabbits I might could work with that :)
>>806226
>forgot the pic
I have to clear some overgrown tree branches from an apartment i'm renting and i'm going to be left with a big pile of branches. Any idea what I can do with them rather then taking them to the dump?
I was thinking of mulching them and making a late season garden but I don't have access to a wood chipper.
pic related is what I have so far and the tree behind it are going to contribute
>>806232
Break them up and throw them in the trash or let them dry out and burn them this fall
>>806232
Do you have access to fresh manure? If so, bury them with a bunch of manure where you want a garden, and wait until next spring to plant.
Here is a volunteer squash that is growing. I think that I've picked off a total of 3 squash bugs, and have made an effort to not hit it with the lawnmower or trimmer. That is all that I have done, and the thing is vigorous. What it is producing looks like a yellow straight neck, except they are white. It is possible that it is 3/4 yellow straightneck and 1/4 white scalloped bush squash.
>>805180
Turnip will be fine, but beet might degrade by 20 % or so.
>>806171
I have one variety called "big yielder" that gives big tomatoes and one that is cherry-tomatoes that are small and plentyful! Never grown before but i have good results right now so I am happy!
Can I grow mushrooms under my porch or is that like raising termites in a log cabin? I think the wood has to be new and wet for mushrooms to take so it will cause low danger for my porch. am I right?
How do I get my popcorn kernals to germinate?
>>806182
This is one nice looking garden.
>>806232
just do a hugelkultur, the only thing you need is a spade.
>>806361
thanks.
Fruit and veggies are in the backyard or on the right side of the garden.
Any suggestions?
How can I make everything more lush?
>>806371
That is already uncannily vibrant green...
>>806371
>show-off
>>806371
your lawn needs a more pronounced spaded edge.
and maybe a nice climbing plant on that pergola or whatever it is, aristolochia or so.
>>806382
>needs
This is autism. His lawn is already too fabulous. He's gonna get all kinds of evil eye now that he's showing it off.
I'm thinking about growing a lemon tree from seed. Will post results once it starts growing
>>806386
it looks infested with daisys from what I can tell.
>>806392
>lawn
My condolences that you put in so muh energy into that useless thing.
>>806382
Yeah my lawn is bad anyway but the pronounced edges had to maje space for more plants. The flowerbeds started out as "just the corners".
>Climbing plant on that pergola
I think that is my problem, something lacks there! Thank you!
>>806377
My phone's camera is shit, so...
But I'm okay with how green anything is, it was more like it was lacking overall, but like >>806382 said, it is the pergola that bothered me.
>>806386
Not fishing for compliments but my lawn is really nothing to write home about. It's green, but its mossy and patchy. Any suggestions?
(will provide a close up if that will help)
>>806393
I nap on it from time to time and my dog likes to sleep on it as well.
>>806394
when you've got plants hanging over the edges of your lawn it'll be infested with moss in no time.
>Any suggestions?
scarify that shit, toss cow manure over it and some landscaping lime.
you'll probably have to remove the daisys by hand.
>>806371
Less bullshit flower more fruits and veggies and medicinal plants.
>>806400
>more fruits and veggies and medicinal plants.
and this is why american gardens look bad.
>>806015
Well I popped the bottom off and there's a root tip. So I'll repot it when I get back from a trip, assuming it doesn't die on me.
>>806401
Don't care. Growing veggies is very utilitarian.
>>806410
It really is. If you grow anything grow some kind of red or gold potato and green like cabbage.
>>806409
oh please, we're leading in horticulture.
america has been stuck in french style gardening for over 200 years with no improvements.
>>806432
>Implying that I garden in any other style than my own.
I over did it on tomatoes. I also forgot what types I've planted.
>>806393
Meadow hippie at it again
Found this during a short walk form my house. I have no idea what it is.
>>806508
Never mind, reverse image search shows Sego Lily.
>>806439
>over did it on tomatoes
no such thing.
Dump out that mosquito breeding ground though
>>806521
That water gets cycled through everyday. It's for filling up a watering can to reach some beds I can't reach with a hose.
I have a ton of soil left to use but I'm running out of spots and materials in which to make beds. 12 CYs was and lot more dirt then I should have ordered.
People, stop reposting so much. Make new content or fuck off. Just don't post the same image for the 10th time. I really don't want to see these threads turn into every other general thread on 4chan where only recycled images and content are reposted endlessly.
>>804122
Anybody recognize this plant? Might be artemisia dracunculus, tarragon, but not even remotely sure on that one. Sorry if sideways picture, posting from mobile. Thanks
>>806598
Where is it in the world? Looks like golden rod (Solidago).
>>806398
There's nothing wrong with dasies you faggot.
>>806626
There's nothing wrong with golden rod.
>>805969
>I just wanna know how meller's doing ;_;
Bad. He died.
I seem to be having a really bad problem with blossom end rot in my tomatoes and watermelon.
>>806605
American northeast, central maine. See them near roadsides mostly.
>>806684
Seems there's an easy test--if I pull one and there are rhizomes, it's goldenrod. If not, tarragon. I'll report back tomorrow
>>806680
Goodnight, sweet meller.
>>806680
oh jesus christ the humanity. this ruined my summer anon
rest in peace meller
>3 pumpkins randomly popped up next to my compost heap
I was pissed because the pumpkin seed packet I bought only had like 2 seeds, but now I might have enough for decoration and pie.
>>806487
There's different parts to a garden. Of the 1100 m^2, my front part is mostly cultivated, "evil low biodiversity" lawn (with lots of flower/herb strips inbetween though), while the back area is mostly crops
I have more than 200 plant species on that small property, if I went the "hippie way" and let everything grow naturally, it'd eventually turn into a very low diversity temperate forest with about 2-3 dominating species (mostly limited to Quercus petraea and Hedera helix)
>>806712
>and let everything grow naturally
Why the fuck you implying? Why you always implying? Mmmmohmygod, why is you implying?
1. Gardener
2. Letting everything grow naturally
I don't care who you are or what kind of garden thing you want you can only pick one. This hippie hate has got to educate itself on hippies so it can hate properly.
When mounding more dirt on top of potatoes, is it alright to bury the lower leaves, or should I cut the leaves off before putting more dirt on?
>>806762
I've always just buried them, leaves and all. If it's wrong, it hasn't seemed to hurt anything.
>>806665
daisys are ok as long as they're not in your own lawn.
>>806927
A lawn should be filled with as much biodiversity as possible. It doesn't need to be waist high or anything, but everything underfoot should be very biodiverse. Monocropping your lawn is just as bad as monocropping your vegetable garden or flower garden, (e.g. it will look like sculptured shit when monocropped.)
>>806896
>>806762
>>806772
Leaves self terminate where they attach to the plant. Cutting them off is a no-no. Snapping them off at that stem-leaf junction is recommended. Burying them is fine. Keep in mind that if you are burying the potato/tomato stems and you are removing the leaves, allow 2 days for the wounds to seal properly before you bury them. This will help prevent infection caused by soil on the wounds and help deter insects and isopods from causing damage.
>>806712
>>806733
That has nothing to do with hippies or neo-hippies. Biodiversity in lawn care helps to ensure lawn longevity. It can better survive during harsh conditions like drought, high heat, freezing temperatures, a plethora of lawn-killing insects, fungi, and has little to no thatch buildup. Because of a biodiverse lawn's robustness and tenacious no-kill attitude, you only need to mow it. You don't need to water it, feed it, spray it with pesticides/herbicides, or spend time dethatching, reseeding, and tearing out "weeds" by hand. It can also readily give you food crops as well, mostly as edible greens, but also seeds/rhizomes/tubers/corms depending on where you live and what is growing.
>>806948
>A lawn should be filled with as much biodiversity as possible
you're thinking of a meadow again.
a lawn doesn't need to be diverse in anything but grass species.
>It doesn't need to be waist high or anything
if the grass isn't cut short, it's not a lawn but just a patch of shitty weeds.
your average lawn has about 4 to 13 species of grass in it, that's about all it needs.
if you've got daisys, dandelions, hawkweed or buttercups in it your lawn is shit and you should feel like shit for being too stupid to take care of a bunch of grass, which is next to the easiest plant to take care of.
>>806952
You really shouldn't disseminate false information just for trolling purposes. I really don't understand why you are so angry either. You act like you work for a landscaping company; the type who lies to their customers in order to make more money on an annual basis. That is very easy to spot.
>>806953
>You act like you work for a landscaping company
I own one.
you're one of those eco-twats that think nature is peaceful and balanced, a lawn isn't natural and there's no reason to treat it as such.
if you want diversity in your grass, that's great for you, but it looks like shit and it's not worthy to even be called a lawn.
and you'd be better off plowing that shit over and seeding it with wild plants either way.
ps: monocrops look great.
>>806956
>I own one.
Well, that cinches it. It is no wonder you've been spreading misinformation. If people knew the truth, you'd be out of a business. A biodiverse lawn can still look great, yet doesn't require any more work or money than what is used for normal mowing.
Funny thing, if you did plow my lawn, there are so many seeds buried in the soil that it will completely reseed itself. Most of the seeds from a biodiverse lawn can last 3-20 years buried in the soil. They only sprout when they are disturbed and rise up enough to the surface where light and extra oxygen triggers them to germinate.
Once a year, I allow my lawn to grow up and reseed itself. This costs me less money and is less work since I'm not mowing during that time. I also have the option of harvesting a lot of greens and seeds as a food crop. Which I add to my tax report for my farm; further saving me money.
>>806958
>A biodiverse lawn can still look great.
no.
>yet doesn't require any more work
ofcourse it doesn't require more work, it requires the lack of it.
> there are so many seeds buried in the soil that it will completely reseed itself.
wouldn't be too sure of that, their survival rate isn't exactly high, most of those seeds will rot away or be eaten by bugs before they manage to germinate.
>I also have the option of harvesting a lot of greens and seeds as a food crop
exactly, you don't have a lawn, you have a patch of shitty weeds.
stop commenting on laws when you don't even understand what a lawn is.
>>806959
>wouldn't be too sure of that, their survival rate isn't exactly high, most of those seeds will rot away or be eaten by bugs before they manage to germinate.
Mostly incorrect. You see, the plants cast off tens of thousands of seeds each time they go to seed. While only a small portion of these survive to sprout, there are still thousands that do. In any section of my property, when I am digging for whatever reason, the ground completely resprouts and there's never a need to reseed anything.
>stop commenting on laws when you don't even understand what a lawn is.
You should probably stop being so belligerent. Your knowledge of lawn care is extremely limited to one narrow band (monocropped lawns that use thousands in currency over their life times to be fully maintained) which is highly biased. The naivety and hostility of your posts shows this.
After all, the best way to kill a lawn is to micro manage it.
>>806964
>While only a small portion of these survive to sprout
and of those that do most will die as well.
>Your knowledge of lawn care is extremely limited to one narrow band (monocropped lawns
all lawns are monocropped, if your lawn isn't rich in grass species and lacking in everything else, cut short and maintained properly then it's NOT a lawn.
noun
1.
a stretch of open, grass-covered land, especially one closely mowed, as near a house, on an estate, or in a park.
you do not have a lawn, you have a shitty patch of weeds, stop trying to give people advise on LAWNS when all you care about are MEADOWS.
>>806967
>and of those that do most will die as well.
Not at all. Everything comes back as though nothing happened. You must remember, your experience is only with grass seed, which does have a hard time as you say. However, a real lawn that is properly biodiverse will have more robust plant varieties. Most of which do not have the same problems that a grass-only lawn has.
You definition seems cherry picked; further proof that you are being very biased.
>A lawn is an area of soil-covered land planted with grasses or (rarely) other durable plants such as clover which are maintained at a short height with a lawnmower and used for aesthetic and recreational purposes
As such, being as biased and "only one way to do things" your opinions need to be taken with a grain of salt. Anyone reading your posts really should do their own research so as not to be deluded.
>>806967
>>806959
>>806956
>>806952
>>806927
>lawn "care"
Environmental concerns
Greater amounts of chemical fertilizer and pesticides are used per acre of lawn than on an equivalent acre of cultivated farmland,[40] and the continued use of these products has been associated with environmental pollution, disturbance in the lawn ecosystem, and increased health risks to the local human population.[41]
Other concerns, criticisms, and ordinances regarding lawns come from the environmental consequences:
Lawns can reduce biodiversity, especially when the lawn covers a large area. Lawns - particularly in the United States - may be composed of introduced species not native to an area, which can produce a habitat that supports a reduced number of species.[42]
Lawn maintenance may use inorganic fertilizers, synthetic pesticides, herbicides, and fungicides, which can harm the environment. The United States Environmental Protection Agency has estimated[when?] nearly 70,000,000 pounds (32,000,000 kg) of active pesticide ingredients are used on suburban lawns each year in the United States.[43] It has also been estimated that more herbicides are applied per acre of lawn than are used by most farmers to grow crops.[20]
For example, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Kuwait, and Belize have placed restrictions on the use of the herbicide 2,4-D.
It has been estimated that nearly 17 million gallons of gasoline are spilled each summer while re-fueling garden and lawn-care equipment in the United States; approximately 50% more than that spilled during the Exxon Valdez incident.[20]
The use of pesticides and fertilizers, requiring fossil fuels for manufacturing, distribution, and application, have been shown to contribute to global warming, whereas sustainable organic techniques have been shown to help reduce global warming.[44]
>>806972
>Not at all.
you're delusional.
>You must remember, your experience is only
it's only with lawns, not shitty patches of weeds.
>You definition seems cherry picked
there's only one definition of 'lawn' and I'm using it, mouthbreather.
> robust plant varieties
they're called weeds.
>your opinions need to be taken with a grain of salt
your 'lawn' needs to be taken with a bag of salt to get rid of those filthy weeds that are undoubtably annoying all of your neighbours that actually care for their gardens.
>>806974
irrelevant, as I said, lawns aren't natural, you don't need to treat them as such.
if you want to do something constructive (which I doubt you'll ever do) whine about the people that tile their entire yard.
>>806977
I think this discussion is finished. You can't control your anger and are devolving into nothing but scathing replies. There's nothing wrong with being uneducated or ignorant. Those two things are easily cured with a little knowledge and experience. I've tried my best to educate you by giving you enough terms and knowledge in my posts so that you may research it on your own, but I see that won't happen.
Good day, sir.
>>806979
your entire 'argument' so far has been tu quoque.
your entire concept of what a lawn is supposed to be is incorrect, your opinions are a naturalistic meme.
you're adding absolutely nothing to this thread by pretending a healthy lawn is one that looks like shit.
Can anyone help me identify this pepper plant ?
