/prod/ - Music Production General
You Will Never Afford A Prophet-12 Edition
>Production Resources:
>Pastebin - Links, books, videos, articles, tutorials and stuff
http://pastebin.com/pYGCLu6q
>Somebody please fix or remove bad links, it's in a pretty sad state right now.
>/prod/ wiki - still looking for contributors (wink, wink, WINK)
http://mu-sic-production.wikia.com
There's a severe lack of DAW descriptions in the wiki. If you're good with your tool of choice, consider writing a paragraph about it.
Remember to use clyp.it to post your tracks/WIP : posting a clyp.it is just providing sound for a question, posting a soundcloud link is making self-advertisement and the thread doesn't need that.
Remember to check other peoples' clyp.it links to keep the thread healthy.
at least post the link to the old thread
>>63332932
how can i make jazz using midi?
>>63356023
learn melodic minor scale
>>63355937
i didn't realize that was an active one, i searched /prod/ and nothing came up
i guess i'll delete this one then
>>63356125
that ones dead you idiot, keep this up
>>63356148
mfw
![Sep15_LNU_EHX_KEY9_FEAT[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/QtYyjCV.jpg "Sep15_LNU_EHX_KEY9_FEAT[1].jpg")
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av4X84lChEE
How do these electro-harmonix pedals work? They don't use samples, the guitar tone is either being shaped by some kind of intelligent convolution, or replaced by synthesis and pitch tracking. Both of these methods seem unlikely to me to produce such good results, so how do they do it?
And is there a VST that does something similar? I'm really into morphing sounds at the moment, I want to see what would happen if you put some vocals through one of these.
>>63356233
it might be frequency to CV conversion, which then controls a digital synth
my ms-20 mini does frequency > CV and you can play it with a guitar doing that
I'm going to be away from my desktop for a few months, and wanted to keep producing on the go.
I know I won't be able to run Diva, but will most standard VSTs be good with 4 GBs RAM/i3 processor? I'm not strapped for cash, but I'm not at Macbook levels of indulgence either. Hopefully below or around $400.
>>63356125
no i mean when the old thread dies you're supposed to link the old one in the new one
I have good sounding tracks but I seem to be missing that "glue" that just sticks them together? How do I get this effect? is it mixing?
>>63357413
>glue
>what is a glue compressor
https://clyp.it/0fmyfylq
you'll notice this uneasy feeling every after the listen and that's pretty much what I feel now.
>>63357413
It could be a mix (kek) of different things.
Are instruments in key? Are any stepping on each other in terms of volume, frequency, or both? Are there too many layers playing at once? Are there good transitions?
If you don't know how to determine these things, learn how to and download the appropriate plugins.
Once you feel comfortable with all of those things, then you can try applying something like a glue compressor to one or more busses to see if that improves things more. (It won't always, but it can.)
>>63357413
Even if you have individual reverb effects on the tracks, use a global room reverb send, return center panned and put ALL of the tracks through even just a little. If you can hear it you're using too much.
>>63357880
there's literally no point for him to use it if he can't hear it's literally just using up cpu
just put things that need reverb through the same reverb
>>63356233
They're basically just modified POGs with modulation and ADSR settings for the different presets.
>>63358199
it's hyperbole
Feedback on this sample of an ambient piece I'm working on? I call it "without love"
https://clyp.it/lmbukoqr
Don't know what I'm doing with this, I'm garbage
https://clyp.it/2gens30f
>>63358502
no idea where you're going with this, I'm not too familiar with the genre, but I love the part around 30 seconds on
>>63358502
slowing down a piece of someone elses music and calling it ambient/10
>>63358566
haha I was just curious whether it was passable.
>>63358562
I fooled you, at least! Sorry about that. I like your song though, very mellow
Not sure if this question belongs here but what is a good place to buy midi keyboards that has reasonable prices? I was tempted to buy it used off ebay.
I'm still deciding if I should even get it yet or just keep saving up.
>>63358640
You can get a cheap one used and it will be fine. You don't really need to save up, you can probably get one for $50 or less. Unless you want one with weighted keys or some other fancy stuff.
Are their any decent DAWs for guitar with pedal effects and shit?
Thanks in advance.
>>63358692
I guess it's because I'm looking for one with 49 keys or more. I wanted to try to learn as much piano as I can with it in addition to all the music production stuff.
>>63358745
There's a ton of cheap 49 key controllers, for example
http://www.ebay.com/itm/M-Audio-Keystation-49e-usb-midi-keyboard-controller-/222055167440
>>63358812
Do you think it would be worth it to save up for a 61 key keyboard or just get this thing? On one hand I want something I can stick with for a while. But on the other hand I want to just start making music and learning.
>>63358906
I have that exact controller and it's not bad. I frequently play jazz off of sheet music and there's only been a few times that I couldn't play all the notes. For the most part, most songs will be contained within those 49 keys. Personally I'd say get a cheap one and get started ASAP but it's up to you.
Maybe a dumb question...
For drum machine VSTs that only allow 12-16 patterns, what's the best way to continue developing the drums in the track? Should I lay down a totally new track each time I run out, with a new instance of the VST on each?
I feel like that would waste a lot of space with tracks that don't have much sound on them.
Is there a better solution?
>>63359064
Solid advice. Thanks man. I might just get this one soon.
https://clyp.it/d43zdmy4
Messing around in ableton
Still new to making music and ableton
What think?
Hey /prod/, is it lit or shit?
https://clyp.it/ybb1ma2s
>>63359162
The percussion isn't mixed super well. By that I mean, you have things hitting at the same time which maybe don't have much space. Compositionally, the song could use a breather at some point, too: tension + release keeps the song moving. The spacey part at the end is a bit interesting though! Keep at it!
what midi should I get? I don't have that much to spend
>>63359564
Bump!
>>63359651
Honestly no midi controller under $50 will be worth your money.
>>63359564 listen to my clyp fools
What do you guys think of the Organelle? Or any Critter & Guitari things? https://youtu.be/TW6FAxLFzLk
I want one just for fuck arounds but it's pretty pricey.
I'm thinking about hooking up a Wah pedal to my keyboard. Good idea?
thinking about scooping up one of these when I next get paid
anyone here used one of these? any experiences? tips?
>>63360246
absotively! it's funner'n horsecocks and if you get güd you can really make the keyboard "annunciate", it's pretty cool
>>63356982
>not strapped for cash, below or around $400
unless you're fine with older ivy-bridge laptops (still good performance especially with ram and ssd upgrade) you'll need to bump up budget. you'll need an i5 and 8 gbs ram at the minimum for reliable performance. it's not worth scrapping by with i3/4gb
Hey /prod/. Looking at buying an audio interface, what do you guys think of the Steinberg UR44?
Btw, since /g/ doesn't have a headphone thread ask, what do you guys recommend for absolutely neutral mixing headphones?
>>63355762
Anyone have experiences with pic related? Pros/Cons, problems in DAWs? Looking to see if it would be a good investment.
>>63360068
I have more than 50$ I just don't want to pay like 400$
if it's in the 150 range that's great
>>63358562
I think you're using that two kicks thing too much.
I like it, though, I'd keep working on it.
Maybe change the melody.
>>63360864
I have the M-Audio Keystation 61ES. It's basically all I could want out of a cheap midi controller:
>61 keys
>semi-weighted
>decent velocity sensitivity
>octave control
>>63359564
>https://clyp.it/ybb1ma2s
I don't feel like putting that much effort into constructive criticism today, so I'll just say I have no complaints.
Not bad/10
>>63360426
>>63359564
I like it. Try adding some bass at the part where the major arpeggio comes in. Also, that arpeggio sounds like a notification sound. Just saying.
Please critique.
What genres should I immerse myself in? I'm usually a producer/rapper, but I'm really open to anything atm.
http://www112.zippyshare.com/v/rKl9HkD2/file.html
http://www113.zippyshare.com/v/KivmnVlF/file.html
http://www55.zippyshare.com/v/9hysb9VY/file.html
>>63361085
>tfw can't read sheet music
>>63360927
>M-Audio Keystation 61ES
dang it's not bad at all still for 400$ new
I'll have to look around for a used one, but thanks for the model
canuck bucks arent what they used to be
How do i make distorted sounding vocals maybe a bit like an echo
>>63361112
>400$
what are you in Guyana or some shit???
>>63361154
go into a cave and scream
>>63360945 thx sleep tight bb
>>63361035 ok. i had a version with some bass but i didn't love it. i'll shop the bass until i can get it to work.
>>63361112
Oh! it's name has changed apparently :3 (the older version is just the same as the new version in most ways, but more expensive bc they aren't making them, I think). Now it's the 61 II (http://www.amazon.com/M-Audio-Keystation-61-Keyboard-Controller/dp/B00IWX2SR0/ref=dp_ob_title_ce).
>>63361108
>What genres should I immerse myself in?
Video game and anime jazz.
Examples:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCZs1P4ZOJQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tEcG9qpgUg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9MOaxcdmYg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aK9B29rN49g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivXD3UY1aN4
>>63361109
If pic related looks too tough for you to read, let alone play, you need to get the fuck out of /prod/.
>>63361281
Nigga, I'm fucking great at composing music.
I just never learned how to read sheet music.
>>63360795
It's really good man, easy to to use and it sounds incredible. Even the presets, and theres hundreds, are great. Just a really great synth, can't say enough good things about it. Admittedly I have a pirated version, but it's definitely worth it's price to buy.
>>63361206
Canada- our dollar is absolute shit
>>63361237
thanks bit more affordable, I'll keep looking around though, maybe a canadian dealer will go on sale
>>63361281
I can read, if I tried. It's easy.
>>63361336
>our dollar is absolute shit
oh god you're right. i just checked and yoos guys are just as bad as the Aussie dollar, at the moment. It'll get better anon
>>63361336
>tfw Canadian and every piece of new gear is at least $100 more than it's advertised US price
>tfw vsts are basically impossible to buy because they're all priced in USD and with the exchange rate the mark up is ridiculous
>tfw Reaper costs $80
>tfw using Sony Acid because you're too poor to afford Reaper
Canadian woes, although I have to admit Sony Acid is actually pretty based once you get it set up and the basics down
>>63361336
The one I have that I like a lot is the 61 II and I was just an idiot about the name. The 61 (aka the 61 II) is the newer, better one; it's also the cheaper one.
http://community.m-audio.com/m-audio/topics/difference-between-keystation-61-keystation-61-es?full_site=1
>>63361321
I figured it'd be too big to be pirated easily.
>>63361556
Craigslist.
Seriously, and gear 2nd hand studio isn't too bad despite baconbux being basically sand dollars now since whoever is selling it has probably upgraded to something else.
Hi senpaitachi,
This is my latest wip, what do you think so far? I am pretty glad with it so far, but I know it still needs a lot of work. Am struggling with some of the transitions and probably need more variations in melodies.
https://clyp.it/sqmc4zhy
im looking for a specific kind of distortion
i want it sound like the distortion on "king of carrot flowers, parts 2 & 3", the way it sounds kinda fuzzy (specifically the end)
like it's a "phtbhtbhtphtbhtbhptbhtpbh" rather than a typical "bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"
can anyone help? ive been trying to use the scream 4 distortion in reason, set to "fuzz," but it doesn't sound right
>>63361716
It wasn't easy to pirate, it took a really long time because it's huge and the install process was weird. The install insturctions were in Russian/broken english too. But hey. it worked.
>>63361743
Most of my gear is used, it's by far the best way to get stuff. It just sucks to see nice new gear/software that should be affordable end up being pretty pricey here.
https://clyp.it/5dk0hwel
I tried doing something different than just panning or using a simple delay.
It's lacking some transitions and I might add some key changes or something, idk.
Feedback?
>>63361848
Literally, try clipping. That sound comes from the Elephant 6 crew not really knowing what to do in a studio and going heavy into the red.
One way: use a limiter and blow it up
Another way: some plugins can emulate that sound, such as the Ableton built-in Saturator.
Ableton beginner here. How do I make my synths sound thick and dreamy? I tried doubling them up but it just sounds louder.
>>63355762
I'm going to graduate college in August or December with a recording degree, and I have no idea where to even begin getting gigs. Everyone seems to want me to do shit for free or not at all, and even when I offer to volunteer I get turned away. None of my classmates seem to be doing anything, and I don't have that many contacts. I'm considering just giving up and becoming a shift manager at my local pizza place (they really want to promote me from driver) and throwing my dreams away, but all I really want to do is record and mix and have a good time.
But how the fuck do you break into this shit? I'm so lost.
>>63362428
Produce for free for a while, be really good at it, make a name for yourself then $$$$$$$$$$
sorry for not posting /prod/ specifically but this is what i've been working on lately. also it's field recording season early this year so i've been out with the mobile rig getting some stuff already!
https://clyp.it/2mj3ebfo
>>63362486
That's what I've been doing, but I find it impossible to get a steady stream of work. Also, once I graduate college, I won't have access to any of the school's recording gear, including their drums and mics.
I live with my parents; my job barely pays enough to pay my parents' rent, let alone a place I would be able to record drums. Even if I go for the shift manager position, it's only a few bucks per hour more.
And my setup at home is so shit. My computer was outdated when I bought it four years ago; I can't run ProTools on it, only this obscure (but still nice) DAW called Mixcraft.
As far as I'm aware, I have a good reputation at the college. I've gotten A's in all my recording projects, and my mixes were routinely voted the favorite when we mixed the same song for projects. I know I'm introverted and depressed, but I'm not like a white supremacist or Bernie liberal or outspokenly political (at least not in public), and I'm not out to tell people their work is shit.
I'm just so tired, and this shit isn't helping
>>63362040
thanks family, will try these
please critique this techno thing
https://clyp.it/mfw1pn5s
>>63361281
>meshing the staves together into one big staff
you went full fucking retard you stupid bitch. get off your high horse anyway.
here's some critique for this one: >>63361085
improve your beaming to really emphasize the beat, the lone 8th notes are good but you really gotta make it super explicit (i.e. beam the rests). almost no slurring so i'm guessing you don't know how to properly write for piano and emphasize phrasing (unless this was the intended effect which i doubt). add more space in between the staves, shit is messy as fuck. what's going on with the fermata on the second measure? what are you implying here it's a little inexact.
Really though beaming if your biggest flaw here work on that because it's unnecessarily messy and sparse.
>>63362705
>I live with my parents; my job barely pays enough to pay my parents' rent
Sounds like they're setting you up for living with them forever.
>>63361085
>>63361281
>>63362944
also, where are your fucking dynamics you fucking amateur god dammit how can you talk shit to that anon for not reading musical notation when you can't even fucking properly write music you fucking troglodyte
>>63362428
did you not make any connections while @ school? congratulations, you wasted your fucking time at school man. that's what school is really for, to forge the relationships that will further your career for the rest of your life.
>>63361208
also this looks like fucking shit man. you gotta git gud you fucking faggot, this is so fucking bad it's laughable. get good or stop posting your shitty music.
>>63361154
reverb and delay + distortion (duhhh!)
>>63362428
Wanna collaborate at making music? I'm in my first year of college and am in the middle of a 6 month break.
>>63361556
Go full /burial/ and just use Sound Forge for everything.
>>63358694
I love the effects in Guitar Rig which is compatible with any DAW since its just a plugin, massive range of effects and virtual amps. I personally use Pro Tools for everything but its really up to you.
Is this a somewhat civil general? Haven't been on /mu/ in forever, don't feel like being flamed for making what I want to hear.
https://clyp.it/dcgt3apq
Thoughts on this thing I've been workingon /prod/? First time here and just thought I would ask for some advice. I'm feeling like I'm missing some higher frequency content, perhaps after the first drop. Thanks in advance!
>>63363425
Throw a LP filter on that bass synth.
Fucking cool speech samples, where are they from?
>>63363481
Aw shucks
The 1973(?) Jack Nicholson movie Chinatown, hence the track name. I find basically any movie from that time period just gives awesome samples, with a telephone EQ filter over it and a spot of reverb for certain sections.
Cheers for the advice with the bass as well, I'll have a crack at that when I get home.
>>63363116
Sure. What do you do?
>>63363425
I think that wobble bass, the higher harmonics, might be masking some of the higher instruments. EQ might help a little, but consider using ducking on the bassline.
>>63362311
Consider octave duplication, boosting somewhere in the low mids using EQ, a very wet reverb, a synth sound with a slow attack and long decay (or plugins to slow the attack/lengthen the decay), or a combination of the above. Doubling synths can help if you double them differently, e.g. like the way engineers blend guitar cabs playing the same thing to make the sound fuller.
>>63361846
I'll get to this in a few minutes.
>>63361154
Condenser mic > Light distortion > transparent compressor > rather wet reverb w/ medium long decay time > quarter-note delay
>>63361108
Black metal, shoegaze, noise, lo-fi, drone, neofolk, anything that has distortion down to a science. I'd love to hear more rappers use distortion in their tracks not even in a metal way
>>63359162
Not really my specialty but I think there's a little too much mids overall. The mix is otherwise balanced, so I think you can fix it in mastering.
>>63357413
Compression. Look into "ducking compression," especially for locking together kick drum and bass, or guitar and vocals. Also, the way you process your master bus even before you send it out to a mastering house, if you do any processing, dramatically affects the cohesiveness of your mix.
>>63361846
Around 1:41, ride's a little too loud. Also, I think you emphasized the wrong freq's for it; it sounds kinda boxy.
That transition at 3:52, waaaay too sudden (unless that's what you're going for?). Maybe try taking that high synth and have it play the chord on top of that bassline, let it ring out for a couple bars and then segue into 3:54.
Love the way you use that sample at 4:20.
At 7:04, I would consider keeping the drums and the rest of the instrumentation busy while you execute your key change, then drop out. However, if you change the other transition, you might be able to keep this as it is, like as a coda.
Strings are a little loud at 8:21. Consider volume automation, so it increases in volume until the track ends, because when it's on its own it sounds right.
But honestly this is excellent so far. Mix is great, your drums sound good for the genre, and the repetition there was in the melodies wasn't too much.
>>63363804
I met some dude who had just graduated from a rec school I thought we were going to be good friends and make music together, he told me to email him a song so he could mix it and he never responded haven't talked to him since maybe I'll visit is store this weekend.
also look for gigs on CL I have no resume and no formal education and I got two interviews kek
>>63363804
Anything I can without having to learn a single note of music despite having multiple instruments. Don't worry, I'll remedy this.
I want to do multiple genres, mainly alt rock and maybe some chillwave.
I've done hip-hop, vaporwave, film score, and currently about to do some anime-themed music.
I'm not hot shit so don't expect the best thing in the world. I'm trying to get my shit together.
Also, I'm willing to rap over some distortion. I'm getting more of an industrial vibe though after binge listening to Death Grips thanks to this faggot ass board.
>>63364157
Uhh which post/s are you, sorry?
https://clyp.it/ok0eybu1
https://clyp.it/upyl2rqi
how are the mixes in these?
And any other feedback is appreciated
>>63363550
Speaking of speech samples, I dug up one of my own.
https://clyp.it/j35e5jvc
Nothing is properly mixed, I just like it.
>>63364422
First of all, nice double dubs.
>https://clyp.it/ok0eybu1
Mix is solid for the genre. That string pad, I'd add a bit more hi-mids to that with EQ. Very clear mix, no problem hearing anything.
>https://clyp.it/upyl2rqi
Pad in this song is waay too present. You gotta be careful with arpeggios (1:05 is the best example of an arpeggio, the thing you played in the pads); watch the levels or else it becomes Koyaanisqatsi, which is probably a little too hypnotic for the vibe I think you're going for. Also, I feel like this mix overall isn't as bassy as the other one. This isn't always a problem (e.g. you wouldn't do a jazz tune as bassy as a dubstep track), but if you plan on releasing these together I'd recommend making sure the final masters are consistent.
Are these mixes going to remain instrumental, or do you plan on having someone rap over these? Either way, you should probably add some more layers. Good stuff though.
>>63364824
thanks a lot for the feedback. And I understand what you mean about that arp being too all over the place. I was trying to get it to stop clashing with the other sounds but I guess I'm going to have to make some different edits.
I was going to release an amateur beattape, so they're going to stay instrumentals unless someone wants to rap on them, and I'll go back and try and make my final levels consistent like you said, I didn't really think about that.
>>63361281
>connecting your staves
>>63362311
Unison or chorus Fx. I recommend the freebies from Xfer records
First post here.
I'm relatively new to music in general, so any glaring beginners mistakes you can point out would be appreciated.
Also the vocals are first take and needs some serious polishing.
https://clyp.it/tq0chwjc
>>63358310
I dunno, it seems a lot more complex than that. It literally transforms the sound into something else. It's blowing my mind slightly.
>>63361281
>>63362986
>where are your fucking dynamics you fucking amateur god dammit how can you talk shit to that anon for not reading musical notation when you can't even fucking properly write music you fucking troglodyte
I'm in hysterics. good hustle /prod/
>sheet music
>not midi
get out gramps
>>63365073
So when you play your bass, you need to make sure your other strings aren't ringing out, unless you're going for that overly boomy sound (and I have in the past, but it's not the norm). I would recommend running your bass through an amp sim of some kind; DI bass is clear and honestly your best option for a good bass sound, but it's usually not very spectacular on its own. If you don't know where to find an amp sim, I can hook you up with some good sounding free ones. Also, hi-pass that bass. Hi-pass every instrument and the final mix. For the bass, try somewhere around 50Hz. Compress the everloving shit out of it once you're done. It's kinda hot in the mix too; turn it down.
Your kick sound is okay; it could be louder. Consider using a ducking compressor; simpler would be to EQ out some of your bass for the kick drum. Maybe try cutting some 200Hz from the bass, and hi-pass the kick around 80Hz. These aren't set in stone, but they're good places to start.
Snare sound is unremarkable, but considering your genre it probably does service your sound. Maybe a little compression will help it out, fast attack, medium ratio, fast attack, and boost around 200Hz.
Your hi-hats are too quiet.
The organ is too quiet. Otherwise, it sounds good.
Your vocals are well recorded. They could use a de-essing. That's not really your fault, though. Look up how to use a de-esser. Antress has a good one for free. If that's too complicated, use either a multiband compressor with a very narrow bandwidth somewhere between 3-9kHz, or a very thin cut with an EQ from the same range.
I like the composition. Very goth, eerie. Did you intend to have all those dissonances? I come from a metal background so dissonance is cool with me, but I've met a lot of newbies who unintentionally write dissonance into their music.
>>63365375
The boomy sound is from letting an open string ring on purpose, though i'll take a look at my technique and see i'm im screwing up the other muting.
I agree with the kick, i was gonna give the drums a lookover in the chorus either way. I ahve one question about effects on the drums. I use a vst for the drums, so it's all on the piano roll. Is there a way to connect effects to a single coordinate on the roll? in cubase.
Dissonances were indeed intended, you described what i was going for :)
I've been playing for a goodly while, but production of entire tracks and mixing stuff is all a huge bunch of things to learn at once.
Thanks for the advice i'll get to work later this afternoon.
>>63364614
Cool shit, I appreciate the feedback from before.
https://varietyofsound.wordpress.com/
This should really be in the pastebin, amazing free VSTs!
>>63365486
>Is there a way to connect effects to a single coordinate on the roll? in cubase.
I'm not a Cubase guy. I know what the piano roll is, but I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "connect effects to a single coordinate."
>>63365708
On the piano roll, with a drum vst every key(? on the piano, english is not my first language) is bound to a specific sample. SO to put an effect on my kick, i'd need to apply it only on that key. i think. I havent googled it yet.
>>63365733
Your best bet is to make a separate track just for the kick and apply effects there. I'll often do that for things like handclaps, if I want a ton of reverb on them.
>>63365368
but anon, sheet music is just a DAW for live performers.
you just gotta learn the ropes and its pretty easy to use. gets very realistic and natural performances if you know some good players
>>63365973
Yeah that's what i thought. Thanks
>>63365733
>>63365973
I was going to say something like that, or if you could bus the kick to a send, effect the send. I'm a little surprised here because in every other DAW I've ever used (ProTools, Mixcraft, Logic), the drum VSTi's come mapped by default.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVLmi51HXuY
>>63365637
t. hanks
>>63366037
I'm not sure what you mean by mapped by default?
>>63366004
It's 2016. Sheet music is archaic and sight reading is a meme. I regret wasting time learning notation, would have been better spent learning production techniques.
>>63366059
When I go into Mixcraft (pic related), I can just drop MT Power Drumkit onto a MIDI track and it's instantly ready to go. All the drums are in the right spots. If I need to move something around, I can use the "range" control to delete drums if I need to (e.g., let's say I want a different kick drum sound) and add in sounds with a sampler or range-constricted instrument.
I'm telling you this because Cubase probably has some way for you to insert VSTi's across the entire track, as well as a way to have an instrument track with multiple outputs.
Exactly how this is done in Cubase, I'm not sure.
>>63366175
aaaah okay. Cubase just maps all the drums to specific keys in the pianoroll of a midi track.
though what Mixcraft does might be possible. I'm not really very proficient in Cubase yet.
>>63361109
Jesus dude. Go learn. Though I guess I'm just lucky. My mother made me learn piano from just 6 years old. With a crazy old lady with deformed knuckles, a ruler to slap at you with and hundreds of piano awards being swarmed by her cats.
Worked out well actually
Thanks Ma
>>63362557
Ahh you again. Hey man, dissertation guy here with the sontronics Helios pic.
I got to look at the microphone I mentioned a guy I knew wanted me to appraise. He said it was calrec so I was hoping for one of their condensors so I could tell him £300 a pair and buy them.
Nope. Was a fucking Soundfield MK4. The MK5s go fora round £5500. He had no idea what he had sitting on his toilet in a cardboard box.
I'm crushed
>>63366074
So to summarize, you didn't have the patience to properly learn an instrument so you switched to making trap beats on FL Studio? Nice.
This is some shit I made while weirding out on too much xanax
https://clyp.it/maup22bb
I can't decide if it can be made into something or is total shit
>>63359117
i suppose duplicating the VST instance should do it for now, u could just route them to the same channel in the mixer
>>63361154
pitch down
>>63361154
pitch down , reverb and high passed delay
>>63366074
millions of performers use sheet music every day around the world though. Saying its a meme is correct. its a huge non-genetic idea passed down from person to person.
Its also an excellent way to learn more about composing. You can look at the scores of great composers and learn what makes them tick.
Any producer worth their salt should at least be able to arrange some string quartet parts for real players. Are you just going to use sample libraries your whole life?
>>63367148
Oh dude, totally make something out of this. Name the track Xanax or Weirding Out On Xanax. Or W.O.O.X.
https://clyp.it/eiszxlcl
keep or trash?
>>63364013
Awesome, this helps a lot familiar person. I am kind of going for a sudden change, but I want it to flow more naturally, gonna try your suggestion.
Great suggestion for the key change.
>>63367705
I don't listen to D&B but I'd say keep working on it. I love the dramatic keys you picked. It's emotional, I like it.
>>63367705
The kick drum is very beefy indeed, but I feel the lead synth is a bit overbearing, it might work better pushed back a bit with more harmonies around it, or maybe more stabby staccatto notes rather than the longer ones
tfw I can't stop making shitty bass heavy music
https://clyp.it/h45efmum
>>63365160
Your beaming is still shit bro. Fix it for god's sake
>>63361281
you obviously know nothing about composing
https://clyp.it/qaos5gsn
did some stuff, rate
>>63362810
>https://clyp.it/mfw1pn5s
up the tempo a bit
>>63365160
Also, a couple more things:
1) Why are your crescendos and diminuendos so stupidly small? You need to clarify if you want the sound to increase in that small amount of time (and if that's the case I'd argue a sfz is more adequate in some of these) or if you want the increase to be smaller. It's not clear on that page at all. Some are so small even, that they might as well not be there. Your tempo is slow enough but it'd be nice to know why.
2) The three-quarter tone sharp sign - are you using it properly? I mean the music seems to be atonal (which by the way, you don't have to indicate above the staff, that's a redundancy and a player will not give a shit about it being atonal or not in a given set of measures) or at least sticking to some principle such as quarter tone rules with the 24 equal steps, but I suppose this is not something that can be easily inferred from just this excerpt.
3) Some of the text above the staff is confusing and will only lead to problems in rehearsal. Becoming fractured? I mean what the fuck does that mean? Is it basically ritardando? Is it rubato? You'll be spending a lot of time explaining this to the musicians that could be used to rehearse instead.
4) Tempo - be clearer when you're transitioning from one tempo to another. What stayed the same? I mean the quarter note is somewhat enough, but shit man this is just something that will take forever to explain to performers.
>>63366951
eh, no major loss. those mics are of fairly limited use anyway!
>>63369594
Yeah I know. I've used one before with a choir. Sounded good but nothing an XY pattern can't do. It was sexy though. Looked like a Stielhandgrenate
sooo i have kontakt 5 and bunch of libraries but i cant find a crack to them, how the fuck do i do it?
i have alicia's keys
sensual sax
al
hello /mu/,
I've been learning empirically to make music...
I made this last night, does it sound too shitty or wat?
https://clyp.it/rvju5ehw
>>63369909
cut my post in two pieces eh
all downloaded from rutracker
what do i do to activate them now?
>>63369918
How long ya been making music? I'm guessing you play the guitar?
Honestly it's not bad. Some mixing issues here and there but otherwise it's not bad.
>>63369951
ty anon!
I recorded a friend playing random chords. I used a cheap, old mp3 player which records in mono only. With a distortion :/
which are those mixing issues?
>>63370007
Well the guitar for sure is one of the primary issues. It kinda works but you have a little bit too much low end on it which clashes somewhat with the kick (which is a little too loud/heavy on the bass). It's this clash in between the guitar and the kick that makes the listener unable to decide what to put their attention on.
One of the easy solutions to that would be to compress the guitar a bit to bring it forward more, then test it out like that and see if the kick is still conflicting. It's a close call, however, as you might kill the kick if you lower it too much. Also, try bringing out the higher frequencies on the guitar more (I'm talking 8-12khz here)
This however is just my opinion, test the changes out and if you don't like em forget I ever said anything.
>>63370061
amazing man, thanks a lot!!
I indeed reduced the lows on the guitar (where is most of the distortion)...
The kick is also loud cause lows weren't "loud" enough (for my ears) at 0db, so I rised volume to like +3db, and added a limiter on the main...
I'll do everything u suggested and see how it sounds, ty!
>>63357413
first off who is this fine young woman
>>63370147
Yeah honestly as I listen to it more the kick is definitely too loud but I'm talking 1-2 dbs here. It's not much but it can make a difference. Good luck anon.
>>63369333
can anyone leave feedback on this thing i made? i just want to know if it's worth salvaging or if i should start over.
https://clyp.it/a2efacgu
>beats
>atmospheric
>wannabe brainfeeder+balam acab
Any tips on making the drop bigger? Just more oomf.. i donno. Also excuse the overly loud tom in there.
Do you reckon this is good enough for an EP?
>>63360708
>Hey /prod/. Looking at buying an audio interface, what do you guys think of the Steinberg UR44?
i have it's smaller brother and I really like it
>>63370236
Aw man, this is the sound that I'm aspiring for.
Pretty good. Needs stronger hitting drums though.
>>63369594
Emailed the company. It's 1980s stock. Approximately £1800 second hand. I'd rather spend less and get a u87 to be honest
>>63370236
I don't get why people still try to bring the soundcloud format here.
>>63370310
yeah i wanna spend a couple of hours redoing the kit. I hate the snare.
Yeah this is the first track where I've really gone for this type of sound. All I can say is just have tonnes of textures. Layer synths and samples all over each other and sidechain the shit out of them.
>>63370335
yeah i dont know why i did that.. makes it so ppl know what they're listening to before they open the link?
>>63370236
This is really nice. I actually kinda like the loud tom.
>>63360708
Friend of mine has the smaller one. It's good enough. Solid construction. I would prefer a focusrite or motu equivalent though
>>63355762
Any thoughts on this?
https://clyp.it/jsxroeym
Also, anyone got a minilogue yet? Worth?
>>63356233
Imo some of the output is samples, the input is fft/wavelet, and in the middle some massaging for it to sound right.
>>63356546
The ehx pedals use technology that is light years away from the ms-20.
Can you produce if you cannot play an instrument?
>>63371264
Well you'd be pretty bad at it, but you could still excel in the EDM scene
>>63371474
Which program would you recommend? The wiki has tons fo them and idk which one would be the best for someone who doesn't know anything about producing + can't play instruments
>>63371474
This isn't true.
I don't know how to play the guitar, piano, trumpet, cello or violin but I still make good songs with those instruments.
So who else went to the shitfest that was the Native Instruments seminar at SXSW, yesterday?
>no where to sit
>no air conditioning
>music next door so loud you could barely hear anything
>guy who was supposed to give the demo took too long explaining a fucking drum loop so we didn't get to see shit with the new gear
>Major Lazer ousted himself as knowing fuckall about sound design, and basically told everyone to "lol just use samples cuz it's easier"
>mfw this shit was free but I still felt ripped off
>>63371789
oh and pic from event
>those girls who went just to see their favorite DJ and take up space
>tfw the never ending abyss that is learning to get better chord progressions
>>63371264
Yes and no.
You'll probably learn it whether you want to or not on your own, the more you play.
You just won't be "classically" trained, but who gives a fuck. As someone who is "classically" trained in the piano; that shit takes way too long, and is an archaic method of learning. You're better off just getting the basics of music theory down, and going off on your own.
>>63371748
This is not true. You make music with those instruments that *you* "think" sounds good.
is it considered poor production to use synth presets in your mix?
>>63371976
So just because I don't know how to play those instruments does that mean the music I make with them is bad?
You're not making any sense.
REMINDER THAT THIS WAS MADE IN GARAGEBAND AND IF YOU SPEND ANY KID OF MONEY ON A DAW YOU'RE STUPID
Wrapped up the structure for a new track, shouldn't feel this tired.
>>63371264
You can, but you're probably going to have a horrible learning curve because of it and when you're simulating instruments you might also get some weird sounding shit due to not fully understanding their limitations.
>>63372812
Actually if you think Grimes is good or that Garageband has anything to do with that album being good or not you're sorely mistaken.
>>63372663
Your entire argument was that you don't know any instruments and you like your own music. Good job, pat yourself on the back. Now think about it.
>>63372812
Reminder that Grimes also gigs with ROMplers, so you should never learn synthesis either.
>>63373265
>dickride the shit out of the roland supersaw
>act appalled when they sample it into the gaia
lel
>>63373352
Who are you quoting?
>>63372812
I'd literally have to spend more money on a machine that runs garageband than on my current DAW setup
>>63373246
I make music for video games, so I think I'm not the only one who likes my music.
>>63373246
lol another know it all douchebag shut down >>63373723
>>63373723
Well it's nice that you think that hun, dinner will be at 6
>>63373893
Okay?
>>63373352
>hey guys what if we revamped the SH-201
>nah let's make a soundfont machine instead
>>63355762
https://clyp.it/pf0ctewt just got sylenth1 but i'm running it off 32lives and it's fucking everything in the project up during playback
>>63374090
You know there's a 64bit demo on mac, right?
another analog live jam (with some reverb/delay and a little muting in live)
https://clyp.it/nff3afzs
>>63374600
The thing is, I can't finish the damn thing with the demo....can I?
https://clyp.it/wuvne2nt
https://clyp.it/cgg2nkm0
>>63374801
>https://clyp.it/wuvne2nt
I like the crunch on these beats, how was it done?
>>63374881
i put a vocoder on the hat and clap
>>63370236
>https://clyp.it/a2efacgu
dig the twinkling, are you using sampled pieces or instruments? how many of them besides the kit?
currently working on
https://clyp.it/03lq004b
still need to mess with the volumes and cut some un needed frequencies
>tfw just found out about drum layering
Ableton question! Can you store tempo information in a MIDI clip?
inb4 name the clip the bpm-- that only works for scenes
>>63355762
New user here, been producing for a few months
point me towards some good tutorials for FL 12? I mainly want to make techno, trance, minimal anything electronic?
Thanks guys, I love this hobby! :3
just fucking around
https://clyp.it/uztixmoc
>>63376695
just go to youtube, type a feature you havent learned about and see what pops up
>>63375902
I can spend hours layering drums to get the perfect sound.
Feels good man.
pfft more like disableton am i righte?
>>63377628
hey i prefer the term differently-ableton anon
>>63377717
>>63377628
Fruity Loops, more like Crudely Poops!
>>63377628
>>63377717
>>63377809
pro tools!? more like pro TOOLS
>>63377852
More like Poo Stools
>>63377628
>>63377717
>>63377809
>>63377852
>logic
>reason
tips fedora
How can I use, say, geforce Mtron pro (mellotron VST) with my physical guitar pedals? I have a fairly large pedal board that I use for my hardware synths and guitar, but I'd like to play around more with mellotron in particular.
>>63355762
https://clyp.it/z3ir3num
Complete newb here,
gonna try sticking to one song, what do you recommend for me to learn
>>63377914
Sure, by all means. I just don't think mellotron is that amazing with pedals personally.
who /never released anything/ here?
I feel like i'm nowhere near close to having made anything worth putting out and I feel like I'll never get there. It doesn't bother me though since I make beats just for the fun of it when I have nothing else to do.
I *would* like to release a project one day though just to say that I did it. A decent mixtape on bandcamp that nobody will ever listen to is fine as well just so I can point at it and say "ayy I did that" and not be embarrassed by it.
What effects is Ryn Weaver using in OctaHate when she starts with the "all around" part?
Is it just chorus and echo/reverb or is she multilayering her voice
The part sounds like a circle to me and I really enjoy it.
Started on these 2 today:
https://clyp.it/d5jtruje
>first try at future bass-ish
>probably too loud
also
https://clyp.it/1wbjcqea
>jumpy drums
>guitar
>bass
need to hear some opinions from other ears
>>63378096
I do a lot of ambient and have a lovely sounding reverse reverb pedal that I'd like to experiment with it, typical shit I wouldn't expect much from though. How would I do it though
>>63377892
>>63377892
My dad genuinely bought me that
"I'm an atheist producer, I used logic and reason"
Fuck
I mean...
I don't use reason
What's everybody currently working on?
>>63378381
haha holy shit
>>63378418
>meme fattener
LMAO
>>63378521
you bitch! fuck you!
*double flips you off*
>>63378307
I love the second track.
Keep working on it.
>>63378521
you're not very bright are you.
If you're not a tremendous faggot then it's a very useful tool. Put it on a low percentage and gainstage it properly to add a little bit of a bite and beef to the channel. I normally use it on around 2-5%. that image there is using it less as a corrective method to beef up a sound, and more as a creative method as to purposely add a little more distortion. that's not music. that's sound design. creating some dirty sounds for my dissertation.
everything can be meme if it's overused really badly by stupid kids.
put sausage fattener on a parallel compressed track with a 2-7% and maybe 2% colour and you're looking at giving it that little bit of dirt that sits nicely.
anything can be good when used well.
>>63378521
KICK OUT THE EPIC MOTHERFUCKER
>>63378200
yup same boat
I did upload one beat though, has about 2000 hits on youtube but thats it
>>63378307
>https://clyp.it/1wbjcqea
nice, panning is a little too extreme imo (42 sec and on)
>>63378418
https://clyp.it/d0skxepe
>sausage fattener
I've never heard of it but what's the deal with it?
Isn't it just some saturation and compression?
>>63378695
i've had my ath m50s (the old ones, before the X series) for around 6 years, they're still serving me well. Is that an AT2020 or 2050?
also the clip is nice, well spread out frequency wise. i like it.
here's my work. sadly it's meant to be going along with a visual scene but fuck it, here's one of the blaster weapon sounds i made.
https://clyp.it/w33mqetm
>>63378786
it's pretty much just saturation, distortion, compression. It's just the particular way it does what it does. just a gentle touch from it can bring some elements forward nicely.
>>63366393
If the vsti you are using for your drums is any good, it should have multiple outputs that you can route individual sounds to if you need to. You can apply fx etc to these channels. So it just depends on your drum plugin.
Hey prod! Ableton looks amazing with colors inverted (idk if you can do that on linux or windows tho)
>>63379603
yes it does. though you can just change skins.
i rarely use ableton, i'm figuring out how to do logic skins
>>63378824
AT2020.
Got it a couple of days ago.
I love it.
And thanks
Please take a listen to some previews of other tracks I'm working on that are much more polished
https://clyp.it/cfww2024
https://clyp.it/oymgh5xi
https://clyp.it/bgc4ak2j
Your clip is pretty cool. I love sound design and I'd love to do FX for short movies, games etc.
I love tweaking sounds and mess around with FM and distortion
https://clyp.it/jkk2cndo
https://clyp.it/jdhfnvle
>post yfw you'll never get feedback on that ambienthop thing you are unsure about
https://clyp.it/kg3irqut
>>63378824
You've made that from scratch?
>>63376707
I like your effects t b h
>>63355762
shame i only have the 08.
nice machine though
>>63376707
>https://clyp.it/uztixmoc
very like
>>63379866
yeah the 2020 is okay, a little brittle on the high end but many cheaper microphones are. Due to them being of cheaper parts. My NT1-A was. I'm saving up for a u87.
They're worth what you pay though. in fact they're worth so much more than what you pay.
I just had to pass up a soundfield mk4. however the guy won't ever be able to sell it so if he gets desperate i'll offer him £500 and see what he says.
those first 3 clips are nice, pretty clean. good mixes thus far
in regards to your loving of FM and distortion, look at these plug-ins...
Crazy Ivan
Ohmicide
ZAP
Fracture
they're damn good for that kind of sound
>>63380040
yeah i did. I got my slinky out, stuck some contact mics i made to it, recorded it, that's one layer. Some processing later it sounded good.
I layered a kind of digital mech sound i made by taking a hammer to some sheet metal, pitching it down and stretching it, using FRACTURE to fuck up the sound a bit and give it a shape and then layered the sound of a baby elephant screaming that was modulated using CRAZY IVAN.
I then added in the sound of a cannon being fired as a little low end punch.
i'm a fucking moron and didn't save the project file after bouncing.
>>63380219
>https://clyp.it/kg3irqut
>>63380040
also sorry, nearly forgot to feedback a little.
ambient hop isn't my thing. So maybe i can only really comment mixwise. I'm not keen on the kick sound, it's a little too poppy and boxy. The high end sounds nice, really articulate and detailed.
>>63378604
Lmao
>>63380219
Well it's good enough for me!
>Crazy Ivan
>Ohmicide
>ZAP
>Fracture
I dunno about the others, but I have Ohmicide and I love it.
I tend to do all of my distortion "manually now" though (isolating and distorting frequencies, crossfading between different kind of distortions etc).
>>63380306
yeah man if you're not having people pay lots of money then there's no point going out and dropping loads of cash on a microphone. i've got some great sounds from cheap microphones like the nt1-a.
Yeah ohmicide is fucking great, the issue with fracture and crazy ivan is that they're not made carefully, you can quite easily accidentally bounce out audio forever if you don't disable "include audio tail in file". you'll literally bounce audio for all eternity. That and the settings you make will not sound the same each time you play through it. You need to bounce out multiple takes and pick the best one.
your manual way of distorting is probably more sensible, much more control.
>usually make techno beats mostly from scratch or single samples
>go full sadowik and just chop some stuff up
>it sounds better than my previous stuff and took a tiny amount of time in contrast
why bother friendos?
oh and this felt really unsatisfying
>>63380219
>i'm a fucking moron and didn't save the project file after bouncing.
Yeah you are
But you're also pretty good at what you're doing
>>63380552
haha thanks man. Yeah i came back, looked at the computer and just felt like shit.
Sometimes i just hit a brick wall and can't think of how to make the sound i want. Sometimes though it's as easy as go outside, drive about and see what i hear. If there's something that sparks interest then i'll give it a go.
I find sci-fi spaceships and weapons easiest though.
>>63380413
Because I think music is fundamentally a process of *personal* expression.
If there's more of someone else there than you, you never really expressed anything. While it may be good music, the process of expression is weaker and less fulfilling. I began watching his tutorials when I first switched over to Ableton, and I quickly realized within about a week that his skills had hilariously stagnated to a point I reached incredibly quickly and used mostly methods that I felt horrible and insecure about, even as a beginner. Oh, but he can master a generic four to the floor stomper for a mom friendly DJ set and make it sound good on your iPhone speaker. Anyway, that's kind of tangential, but you get the idea.
Is this a good laptop for producing, maybe about 6 VST instruments and tons of guitar tracks?
>win10
>i5 6200u
>8gb
>500gb ssd
Goal is to have 64ms latency recording guitar tracks through VST sims, and not stutter too much.
>>63380552
>>63380645
https://clyp.it/2tns0bhc
https://clyp.it/z01hdjr3
https://clyp.it/jjobhmac
in fact here's a few others
>>63380761
yeah should be fine.
>>63366175
I wish fl studio's playlist was as easy to navigate and manipulate as it is in Mixcraft.
>>63380761
Get a small SSD for the OS and a bigger external hard drive for storage. 500gb will fill up quick in music production and is unnecessary and wildly overkill for an SSD. This will also be exponentially cheaper in the long run.
>>63380740
I agree tho, his way of writing melodys is also kinda weird, dude has no understanding of any theory, rhythm whatsoever
seems to be likeable dude tho
