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GOAT album edition
old :>>61000971
FOREVER FREEEEEEE
First for our boy
>>61006751
>10 years from now Babymetal will be barely remembered, except as a joke.
more than likely, but not so much in their home land, unless japan changes a lot and kawaisa dies down
>The thing is, you also have this metal band, where members are dressed as Dinosaurs.
yeah but they don't millions of views in youtube do they? Nor did they top the charts on a ton of countries
among metalheads? i don't give a fuck, there's no scene here, and i avoid labeling myself at all costs because labels are just useful for dividing and conquering, and everyone who does lable themselves appears to be retarded
S L U D G E
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>>61006851
i like it
>>61006702
>>61006751
>Gojira
>bad
kys
Send help and recs i can stop listening
>mfw cassie is dead inside
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwN_8DA9rIg
>>61006834
FOREVER FLOATING IN LIGHT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raY-vZ3Ox6o
>>61006886
>tfw no sludge band will ever be as good as Acid Bath
check out pic related though
>>61006855
>more than likely, but not so much in their home land, unless japan changes a lot and kawaisa dies down
jesus christ, japanese is leading when it comes to forgetting the fads. In japan they will be forgotten in 2 years, if they are not already forgotten.
The Dinosaur band (don't remember their name) is doing really good. I don't know about their charts, but they really have some following.
Also, seriously, the last part of your post is the reason why so many people are giving you a hard time.
>>61006882
I will. I don't want to live on a planet that considers Gojira "good", except a "good joke of a band".
Hope you're happy.
>>61006803
Took me a while to realise that that's a guy in a the middle of the ocean in a burning ship surrounded by sea monsters, pretty fitting for the album, 9/10 album, absolutely texas
>>61006907
some sludge like >>61006868 and pic related are up there
>>61006855
>>61006917
I don't get why people think Babymetal is a dying fad.
People said the same thing 5 years ago and their fanbase and audience has grown tenfold since then, they toured with larger and larger metal bands since then, and they spawned an entire genre with at least 15 bands.
>>61006868
gibe me the sludge b0ss
>>61006855
>>61006917
>babymetal
>just a fad
they're snowballing out of control for years m8s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTEYUFgLveY
>>61006952
see >>61006917 and >>61006976
this shit about them being a fad was said 5 years ago and now they're having some of biggest popularity in metal
you may consider it a fad, but in objecitve terms (as in, how the majority of the world sees them) they are simply not
>the last part of your post is the reason why so many people are giving you a hard time.
no one should give a damn what a bunch of anonymous autists think of them, i just use the trip in this board for recs anyways
>>61006868
THE EARTH IS SHUDDERING
>>61006952
you still follow them?
The thing is, I don't care about them, and I'm happily oblivious to them. Keep in mind that nu metal and metalcore also was a fad at once time, and look how it ended.
The thing is, Babymetal would probably be better, if they didn't have triggered drum sound and generic crystal clean production. The vocals are the least offensive thing in Babymetal. The guitars are, though.
>>61007019
I don't really care about them musically but it's oddly entertaining to watch a fucking girlband dominate the mainstream metal scene.
>>61006976
In moments like that, I'm happy that I don't watch youtube much.
>>61007038
They are cute. That's it. However, if thanks to them, some folks will get interested in the actual metal, I'm okay with that. You would be surprised, how many metalheads started with korn and linkin park instead of Iron Maiden, Judas Priest.
>>61006976
Brief reminder that this power metal babymetal is better than j-pop babymetal
in terms of mainstream buttmetal, does anybody else unironically think Kawaii Metal is better than nu-metal or metalcore from an objective music standpoint? That babymetal song >>61006976 posted is legitimately good power metal.
>>61006949
>Toadliquor
can sludge vocals get any more painful sounding than this?
i mean, cracking your voice this much and this hard just can't be healthy
>>61007087
>Kawaii Metal is better than nu-metal or metalcore
I honestly believe it's better than tech death and djent too,
>>61007087
Babymetal has some talented musicians, and the singer is pretty good. Ditch the two kids and the whole kawaii gimmick and they're a solid power metal band.
>>61007087
I don't like the production. It's too sterile. The riffing is as generic as nu metal, albeit it at least tries to sound ambitious. Actually, I am curious, if there are some RAW unpolished demos for Babymetal.
>>61007129
>I don't like the production. It's too sterile.
It's power metal.
>>61007087
i like them way better for sure but i wouldn't say it's ''objective''
>>61007142
I know, thanks for reminding me why I can't get into Power Metal, except some old Hammerfall, Children of Bodom and stuff. There was this one band on Earache that actually played rough Power Metal, but they were BTFO by the fanbase so hard that they split-up. Shame, because they were very decent.
>>61007164
have you ever listened to any USPM?
I don't know about you, but babymetal puts on a good live show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq9SEFwJ9ZQ
>>61007182
No. And I guess that you want to recommend me something? Shoot.
>>61007203
What the fuck. Japan and their postmodernism.
Their faces always look like "take me, and do whatever you want with me, I will enjoy it"
>>61007203
>babymetal
>satanic imagery
>tfw finding Varg in the comment section of some random video
>>61007244
>>61007232
What if Satanic Imagery is the epitome of something being "babymetal"?
One thing that worries me, is how casual they are. It's supposed to be shocking, not "whatever".
>>61007244
Happened to me a few weeks ago, was browsing a video saying hiphop originated in nordic scandinavia and medieval scotland
>>61007244
The circle is complete.
The sample at the beginning of Hexenhammer actually creeped me out somewhat. Nice album so far.
>>61007203
>2:22 and onwards
Babymetal is kvlt as fuck
Remember me guys?https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1RPkED8Y0sQ
>>61007213
>And I guess that you want to recommend me something
It's not necessary, but I think it's a but of 80s metal that's not celebrated as it should be.
As for the recommendations:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXXfaqverGM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZUysqemMmg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmozVRLZfdg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyyPmtQ5dWI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La__AjvRPFY
>>61007258
It's because people are desentisized when it comes to christianity.
You want to be shocking? Make fun of Mohammed, Allah or Jews.
Christianity is nowadays full pop culture
>>61007301
>but
a lot
>>61007301
I knew Crimson Glory, albeit their later albums!!! Fates Warning is also the band that is considered "essential, even if underappreciated". Also, I remember that Heathen and Hexx were great as well! I will copypaste the other links, though.
>>61007294
goddamn
essential black lives matter-core?
What are some pro-fascism metal bands to celebrate the return of fascism?
>>61007203
>I love heavy metal music but this is to satanic
>>61006369
Might as well post it in this thread, since the other one will be archived soon.
>>61007282
>people listening to stuff I recommended in the last thread.
>Mission accomplished.
>>61007319
>Fates Warning is also the band that is considered "essential, even if underappreciated
it may be so, but I feel that most people think of Fates Warning as a progressive metal band, while their masterpiece is firmly a power metal album.
>>61007383
good job
>>61007383
And it all started because of our little chat.
Everything epic has to starts somewhere.
>deathcore band
>says their influences are classic death & black metal bands
>>61007443
it's called "working on our credibility"
>>61007443
>deathcore/metalcore band
>use clean nasally vocals
Garbage fodder 2bh.
>>61007406
Thank you. For future reference, if you made i tusing topsters.net you'll find below the sliders to select the number of rows and columns there's a text that says "Click here to configure the layout of your collage!". Click it and you can configure the font, background colour, and also select whether to show album and band names.
>>61007437
Yup. Glad you're enjoying it. It really is a good album.
>>61007475
Hi there!
You seem to have made a bit of a mistake in your post. Luckily, the users of 4chan are always willing to help you clear this problem right up! You appear to have used a tripcode when posting, but your identity has nothing at all to do with the conversation! Whoops! You should always remember to stop using your tripcode when the thread it was used for is gone, unless another one is started! Posting with a tripcode when it isn't necessary is poor form. You should always try to post anonymously, unless your identity is absolutely vital to the post that you're making!
Now, there's no need to thank me - I'm just doing my part to help you get used to the anonymous image-board culture!
>>61007475
Actually, it was a different anon that complimented that album. I have yet to listen to that album. So yes, you really did accomplish a mission.
>>61007490
It's been years since the last time I've seen that pasta.
Why don't you bully someone who deserves it, like that faggot>>61007011
>>61007443
>deathcore band
>vocalist sounds like everyone in the building's hands are cuping the mic to make it sound BROOOOOOOOOOOTALer
>>61007503
Oh, I thought that was you. Well, if it's spreading beyond the intended target, all the better. More people should know that band (and most of the others I recommended).
>>61007518
I thought it was kinda common... It's like the third time this month that I get it as a reply to one of my posts.
>>61007550
I will start with that Prog band. It really caught my interest. I'm not fan of Prog, but somehow, I feel like checking it.
BABYMETAL and ROTN collaboration when?
>61007244
>svar
that word is kvlt what language is that
>>61007740
Danish, bro
Currently listening to Naglfar
Why people are calling their first album melodic Death Metal?
Are there any Japanese slam bands that have lyrics totally in Japanese?
It's not like it matters because you can't understand anything under the filters and burping noises anyway but I'm just genuinely curious.
>>61007860
german or swedish Naglfar? I heard the swedish one yesterday and the only death metal part of it is I think every once in a while a guy does the melo death scream thing.
>>61007919
Swedish. Will check out the German one. Out of curiosity. The thing is, people tend to call it a continuation of Dissection and melodeath black.
But some folks actually call it a poor man's melodeath in vein of early in flames.
>>61007363
S.OD. or M.O.D. maybe?
>>61007363
I would never expect fascism to become trendy. but then again, with all the current politics, I can see why people are tired of some bullshit.
>>61007942
>>61007919
The German band is "Nagelfar", not "Naglfar". The only other "Naglfar" besides the Swedish one is a rather unknown Norwegian band.
>>61007969
I meant genuinely pro-fascist
>>61008008
fug
>>61007860
I guess that you probably seen that article
http://www.metalinjection.net/lists/blackened-melodic-death-metal-a-history-lesson
Never trust them, they're idiots.
>>61008087
some folks consider Vinterland blackened Death Metal? What the fuck? Where these idiots come from?
>>61008087
dark funeral and marduk are now orthodox black metal. FIFH is going to have to update his list
>>61008313
Seriously. these guys are retarded.
Now I realize why there are so many people confused when it goes to Death and Black Metal and why so many people call Black Metal albums Death, and Death Metal albums Black.
>>61008367
I was looking for a band a bit ago and every listing is for either cover bands or deathcore bands who say they play brutal death metal. People dont know fucking genres and they will be very suborn if told otherwise.
>>61008405
Not only that. When you try to sensible discuss the genres, they will backpedal by saying "who cares what genre that is, as long as it's good"
or worse, "don't be that guy, who argues genres all day on the internet, like a loser".
The thing is, if we don't discuss such stuff, you end up with stuff like that. I don't think I have to explain WHY it's important to point out certain glaring mistakes, and I don't mean that we have to be obnoxious, but when it comes to literal basics, one should expect some basic knowledge. Otherwise, bands like Mgla will suddenly become tagged as atmospheric avantgarde funeral doom metal.
>>61008469
I usually do something like play katalepsy and then something raw like carved cross and ask them if they really sound the same.
Arguments are gay because 90% of the time nobody changes sides in the arguemnt and when they know they're losing they pull a bitch move like "well who cares anyway".
>>61008573
Which is what I also mentioned.
It's funny (or depressing) that 4chan is the sensible one when it comes to discussions. We insult each other, but there is a lot of merit to our discussions. We do tend to overdo certain topic, but still it's miles ahead of other websites.
Sorry for that faggotry in my post, I just had to vent a little.
>>61008573
"who cares"
That's the thing, that everyone cares, even if they pretend otherwise, because how else are you going to recommend something if it's in the wrong genre? Also, if you are a fan of certain style, it's normal that you want more of the same, or similar stuff. People are really retarded.
Why is German thrash so magical?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBXBRvHt8lg
>>61008812
Because it's about bombenhagel
>>61008844
nice, three dubs
Best thrash album ever coming through
>>61008871
Lame riffs tb.h
>>61008871
It's a mystery that people love it THAT much.
It's a good album, but the love it gets is uncanny.
I wonder what the band themselves think of it.
>>61008871
sorry, wrong pic
>>61008871
ahem
>>61008888
Oh noes.
>>61008904
That's better
>>61008907
It's basically early Death Metal by a Thrash Metal band
What subgenre's fans are stereotypically the nicest? The shittiest? Has this held true in your experience?
What kinds of people do I have to look forward to if I start going to noisecore and grindcore shows?
>>61008871
strange alternate cover art for Persecution Mania
>>61008904
Morbid Visions is better
>>61008922
So it's too extreme for you. How about this one?
>>61008888
Quads never lie.
>>61008930
no rule. I would say that the shittiest fans are BM fans, but I guess that a lot of fags would fight me for saying that. The nicest? such thing doesn't exist, unless you count gothic metal fans.
>>61008930
a lot of people IRL say metal fans are actually chill, and outside of the kvlt and tr00 metal group it holds up pretty true in real life
AOTY
>>61008954
Even better. Great choice, seriously.
Morbid Visions is Death Metal, btw.
>>61008930
>Nicest
Glam Metal
>Shittiest
Black Metal
>>61008982
again, you mixed up things. the kvlt and tr00 are also very chill, it's just that they get defensive, when it comes to their fave music.
>>61008989
>Morbid Visions is Black Metal
ftfy
>>61008998
>under the blade
more like, under the scalpel, am I right?
>>61008871
best death/thrash coming through
>>61009005
when i mean the kvlt and tr00 i just mean the ones who actually take the attitude seriously, BM fans IRL tend to be like any other metal fanbase
>>61009018
come at me bro
also, Sarcófago was never Black Metal either.
They hated Black Metal.
Is this gonna be worth going to, senpai?
>>61009026
they take their attitude seriously, but they aren't really spergs or something. maybe a little.
>>61009055
>abbath
what? Abbath ditched Immortal?
>>61009045
musicians' opinions are disqualified
>>61009067
a lot of them sperg out when talking to music though
>>61006803
Talked to the guitarist in Decapitated (like the only original member left) when they played in my town. Been a fan since I was 14. Great guy!
>>61008930
>nicest
Death Metal, Power, Black (as long as you agree with their taste)
>Shittiest
Nu Metal, Metalcore (-core anything really), Black (if you disagree with their taste)
>>61009086
my opinion is that they were Death Metal. Satanic Death Metal =/= Black Metal. As a matter of fact, Cavalera was always a huge Death Metal fag, and he didn't really care for BM until recently.
>>61009045
Death and Black Metal were pretty much the exact same thing in the mid to late 80s. It's easier just to call it Extreme, Underground Heavy Metal Music.
>>61009023
Listening to for the first time now, goddamn that's great, I like how energetic death-thrash is compared to osdm, also those vocals kick ass
>I CAN'T MOVE
>I CAN'T SEE
>I CAN'T HEAR A FUCKING SOUND
>>61009082
Yepp hes been going solo for a good minutes now
>>61009096
Nu metal is still a thing? A lot of people who listened to Nu metal are nowadays listening to Black Metal.
>>61009045
idk if you have more info on this than i do but antichrist said he hated the norwegian bands that doesn't really = hating black metal
>>61009082
yea the same shit that broke up gorgoroth happened to immortal and now they lost their best member.
10/10
>>61009116
But where is the fun in that?
How many delightful discussions would never happen if we agreed that 80s was extreme metal.
But then again, Sepultura had all of the characteristics of the Death Metal band. They were even inspired by Possessed, only they wanted to be even more extreme. Their sound was the result of their gear and their capabilities. It's also why they moved into Death/Thrash territory on their subsequent albums.
>>61009163
literally the worst riffs I've ever heard in a metal album
>>61009163
Every song of this album is great. I wish Autopsy would put more effort into their songwriting, because they keep releasing the new stuff, but it all sounds the same
>>61009182
I admit, I laughed
>>61009132
>Nu Metal is still a thing?
Yes. I talk to someone who listens to nothing but Five Finger Death Punch, Slipknot, and Mudvayne.
If you couldn't guess, he's an ignorant shitter.
>A lot of people who listened to nu metal are now listening to black
They're either still listening to Nu or moved on to ICP or Pop Punk or something imo.
>>61009191
I'm not kidding, holy shit that album is drek, fucking scream bloody gore had better riffs
>>61009197
>If you couldn't guess, he's an ignorant shitter.
Or a slowpoke. You should keep an eye on him. Someday he might tell you that Morbid Angel or Deicide are the most original shit he ever heard in his life.
>>61009176
I don't think semantic discussions about words magazines thought were cool to call underground music 30 years ago are fun, but that's just me.
>>61009163
never liked it desu, first song is great though
>>61009112
point is that any satanic metal in the eighties was black metal, like this guy >>61009116 said in the 80s they were the same thing, after all even when the norwegian came along their black metal was just one of many takes on the genre, (think of the greek guys, Samael, Mystifier, Root all bands that played during the same time of the norwegian scene) then it baceme the dominant sound. It's no surprise that Fenriz considers Possessed as a black metal band.
After all Mercyful Fate sounds nothing like black metal, but still...
>>61009163
agreed
>>61009197
>They're either still listening to Nu or moved on to ICP or Pop Punk or something imo.
You would like that to be true, would you?
>>61009216
oh, so the "who cares" argument again? I am disappointed
>>61009222
Had you liked that album, I would have to throw it to trash. So it's a relief for me.
>>61009214
Maybe. I've been hoping he's not beyond help. I've tried reccing stuff more "In his ballpark," but I stopped trying after he told me he liked Children of Bodoms newest album more than In Flames Jester Race.
>>61009235
It's just a guess based on what I see my friends who used to be into Nu doing now. That doesn't mean the statement I made was true, sure, but as someone who frequently attends small BM shows 2-3 a month most people I meet there were into either Metalcore or Post-rock before getting into BM.
>>61009252
lmao are you gonna reply in this way to every post i make
>>61009230
>point is that any satanic metal in the eighties was black metal
it's a complete fallacy. Also remind me, what genre does Fenriz plays nowadays, and why did he distance himself from Black Metal so hard nowadays? There is a line, you shouldn't cross. If you call Possessed a Black Metal band, then there is something wrong with you.
Otherwise, I guess that you are okay with me calling Rotting Christ, Varathron a Death Metal bands?
>>61009270
>Metalcore or Post-rock before getting into BM.
It would explain the cancer DESU (not word filtered).
>>61009280
Of course. Do you want to know why?
>>61009284
Possessed primary influence is Venom and Motorhead early on, I'd say. They are certainly satanic, and extreme. Had they not been one of the first to put the words "death" and "metal" together to describe a new kind of music, they would've probably been called "black metal" or "thrash metal" or "speed metal" exclusively from then until now.
>>61009304
Of course it'd take former scene kids to not understand BM's edgyness is tongue-in-cheek, lol.
>>61009284
Fenriz is full of shit. Back in the 90s, what not many people remember, because they were shitting in the diapers then, is that Darkthrone was also a nazi band for a while. They later apologised when the sales and support plummeted. I would take anything that Fenriz says with a grain of salt.
>>61009335
not really but i think you're gonna tell me anyways
do ppl seriously don't like this? I mean it has some stupid lyrics but it's great overall
How can one's opinion be this objectively wrong
>>61009371
Possessed wanted to be like Slayer. Their satanism and extremity doesn't make them Black Metal alone. Otherwise Deicide and Morbid Angel are Black Metal as well, and they were 100% satanic, as opposed to Possessed, who were trendy, which is why they softened their sound on later releases.
If Possessed didn't coin the term, we would call Death Metal nowadays Necro Metal (term that Morbid Angel coined), or Horror Metal (term that Necrophagia coined). However Death Metal was a term very popular, even during Mantas/Death demo days.
It really makes me cringe, how revisionist are BM fans.
>>61009400
It's a soggy waste of a weak thrash album.
post good classics
>>61009371
>>61009441
actually Death Metal was coined by Hellhammer and Tom Warrior. It's funny that people call him a Black Metal guru, while everything he did, was under the banner of Death Metal.
>>61009450
>classics
My favorite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNhN6lT-y5U
>>61009450
Great album.
>>61009450
how classic are we talking about here
>>61009448
soggy?
also it doesn't even sound as thrash it's more like groovy garage-alt metal or something
>>61009450
The only classic anyone ever needs.
>>61009284
>There is a line, you shouldn't cross
it's a retroactive line tho, only after the norwegian scene came along black metal developed a distinct sound, listen to deathcrush, does it really sound so different from INRI?
And what Fenriz plays nowadays has no bearing on the discussion.
>>61009441
>wanted to be like Slayer
Which definitely are (proto) black metal band, at least on the first album. What you people don't understand is that that the musical content has no real bearing here, we're talking about a more "ideological" aspect.
>>61009523
Should I feel bad that my dad, who hates metal, loves this album?
>>61006882
Gojira is bad.
>>61006976
Babymetal on the other hand play music for the Prophets.
>>61009450
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgbKU7-iVHI
>>61009467
I did say one of the first, not the first! Also, Onslaught, a crusty/thrashy black metal band in their early years, had a song called Death Metal on their 1985 album.
>>61009531
Why would you feel bad about that? It's 9.99/10
>>61009528
Deathcrush is actually called Death/Grind record, and yes, it makes sense. Mayhem weren't Black Metal at first. They became one, because they started to hate Death Metal. Mayhem's first 100% pure BM release was De Mysteriis. Dead was a huge Death Metal maniac, he was in Morbid, another 100% DM band.
And I can also call Slayer a proto-Death Metal, because Hell Awaits and Reign in Blood are definitely more DM than BM. Show No Mercy has some BM stuff.
If you think that BM is only ideology, then Iron Maiden is Black Metal, because Number of the Beast. Bah, every Metal band is Black Metal, because Metal was identified with Satanism. If we want to talk seriously about BM, then we have to discern Satanism, from the style. Also, since when BM has a monopoly for Satanism?
There was a 70s Satanic Psychodelic Rock band. Were they Black Metal as well?
>>61007121
I honestly believe kawaii metal is the best thing to happen to metal since the early-mid 90s.
>>61009523
>implyin
>>61009569
It's weird that no one gives any credit to Onslaught. Ever. Hellhammer also had a fanzine called Death Metal, as well as appeared on Death Metal compilation (which was misleading name), and they are famous for the "only Death is real" lyric.
>>61009605
Um.
>n
>o
>>61009593
I wouldn't call Iron Maiden a Black Metal band by ideology. Black Metal bands in the 80s would build up their entire image about being satanic and evil, with all their lyrics and songwriting following suite, which Maiden did not.
As for Coven, they were not a heavy metal band.
>>61009450
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHEIRRShfqQ
>>61009638
wew
>>61006976
4:26-5:25
That is literally the same level of enthusiasm from the fans and crowd control you'll find at an Iron Maiden or Black Sabbath concert. These kids are fucking holding it down.
>>61009593
It's not just satanism, a casual reference to satan, Venom is the first black metal because of their attitude "we sing about satan and what we do is called black metal" and so it was in the eighties.
Of course today if a band sounds like Venom is not going to be called black metal, but that's because the Norwegian bands came along and imposed their style, which, again, was one among many at the time.
>>61007106
>talking about health and sludge metal in the same post
>>61006803
nihility is the only album ever that can kind of maybe compete with it
>>61008844
Because he drank the magic potion.
>>61009639
But it doesn't make them Black Metal. Satanic, yes. But not even Venom was Black Metal. When Cronos, who worked at fitness club at the time, heard about Norwegian shenanigans, his actual response was that the "kids took it too seriously". Of course, nowadays no one ever bring it up.
The problem is, if you call it Black Metal instead of Thrash or Death or Doom, then it's only a tag, not a genre. If you want to call it Black Metal, it should be different from these genres. That's why Dorkthrone, for all the stupid things they did, released a radically different second album. Everything about Blazes is different from any DM band. Image, graphic, style, riffing, production, lyrics. Everything. Same with Burzum, or early Immortal, before they kissed and made up with classic metal.
You can't eat the cake, and have it too.
Still, brofist for knowing Coven. I appreciate that.
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>>61009641
i hope we're all in agreement that this is their best song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5FKSu8MWW0
>>61009709
Their attitude was "let's piss off christians, because we're jews". Also, their albums were poorly produced, because they didn't have money. They didn't do it on purpose. Also WHY then, they changed their style after their third album (some folks consider Possessed to also be Black Metal). Venom is a band that inspired Black Metal, that was important for Black Metal, but they themselves weren't Black Metal until their reunion. Their newer stuff is definitely Black Metal, but their first records aren't really.
Jesus, Metallica ripped-off Venom, and were inspired by them.
>>61008907
>>61008904
>>61008871
>>61008931
>>61008954
Ahem hem ahem hem hem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmGRA3dXHmo
>>61009738
I like tons of tech death and many albums I consider on par with this one, but yes this is a masterpiece 10/10, I'd say it's much better than nihility, also goddamn that opening track is literally 100/10, has to be in the top 10 metal sons of all time
>>61009817
hello? you can't be serious
>>61009845
Why people prefer raw unpolished music with many mistakes and random riffing, over conscious mature and ambitious songwriting?
>>61009861
sounds like dream theater is your favourite band
don't make me thrash you texas style, boy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p63k2dFHIvs
>>61009845
Does this line up look like it's anything to joke about?
>>61009892
Fuck you for spinning my words. That's not what I meant, and you know it.
>>61009813
>Jesus, Metallica ripped-off Venom, and were inspired by them.
True, but again black metal in the eighties didn't mean a specific sound, I don't see why you're so hung up on this. Again Mercyful Fate sound nothing like black metal.
>>61009861
because Time does not heal is actually boring, and I'm not really a fan of Darkness Descends.
>>61009913
>Time Does Not Heal
>Boring
Woah.
>>61009770
If one would consider then Black Metal a distinct heavy metal genre different from all before it, then you are correct in your own right. The coming of what I considered the first "Black" Heavy Metal bands like Venom, Hellhammer, Sodom, Bathory, and even Mercyful Fate did bring changes to the existing Heavy Metal landscape stylistically, playing evil and EXTREME heavy metal music. But even these bands, however extreme or evil they were, were not part of a scene which appropriated a signature style like Norwegian/Scandinavian Black Metal.
>>61009913
> I don't see why you're so hung up on this
why? well maybe because if it didn't mean a specific sound, why do you call it Black Metal specifically, instead of, I don't know, Heavy Metal, early Thrash Metal, which would be more accurate.
And why it's important? It was already argued there, but let me repeat, because if you don't educate people properly, suddenly, you will have people claiming that Dissection is their favorite Gothic Metal band (I'm exaggerating of course, no one would ever do that).
History is important, but it's more important to keep it accurate. Do I know that Napalm Death was called Powerthrash before FETO. Yes I know, and it's something that should be known by any noob, not because it's important, but because it shows how the perception changed over time.
>>61009965
>you will have people claiming that Dissection is their favorite Gothic Metal band (I'm exaggerating of course, no one would ever do that).
What are you talking about? They really are my favorite gothic metal band.
keke
>>61009958
The thing is, as important as Norwegians were, you also had France, Switzerland, Czechs doing something similar to them. I don't consider Greek scene a pure BM scene, because they mixed various influences. But when you listen to Norwegian and French stuff, you will never mistake it for Death / Thrash / Doom / whatever. There are no traces of this genres in their music, and this is why they are important, and why they achieved something. People love to be contrarians and shit up on Norwegians, because they became popular, but they overlook how much they put effort into creating a genre, rather than "allegiance".
Some folks call MF proto-prog metal band, and I can see their point. MF was definitely more ambitious with their songwriting than your average metal band.
>>61010020
If you can argument why do you consider them Gothic, I'm all ears, and I will read it with an open mind. Of course, you are only joking (unfortunately, I would love to read that).
Post songs that had the best riff of a genre that wasn't even established yet
Hard mode:no gorguts nostalgia
The whole song is GOAT
but it has the best djent riff
4:08
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4uPGScsVMQI
The chorus is sick too 2bh
>AUDIO SENSORS DETECTING WAVES
>>61009965
because black metal today means this, and back in the day meant an aestethic "milieu".
And yes I've seen plenty of people rightfully referring to Venom as a NWOBHM band or proto-thrash.
And I'll tell you, many years ago I was even more extreme than you since I refused to call Bathory black metal.
>>61010029
It's true. I've read about it loooong before the internet. However, I've read the version when Suuvi burned the whole doors. Back then, we also believed that it was BM inner circle who put bombs under the scene during Deicide concert.
>>61010083
>3:00
>>61010089
I still refuse to call Bathory Black Metal.
Even Quorthon refused to call it like that, and he even ridiculed BM fans.
But I respect your opinion. I understand what you mean, it's just that I have different understanding of what Black Metal is.
>>61010131
Oh yeah that too, also
>2:13
>>61010132
>But I respect your opinion
so do I, it's been nice though
>>61010205
I hope that you don't leave the thread, do you?
I don't have to work tomorrow, so I can stay late today.
hi guys, anyone know any good folk metal or stuff similar to folk metal/bands which at least have a theme? I already know of ensiferum, korpiklaani, and alestorm but i really want to expand what I listen to.
>>61010250
I'm watching a football match (I'm not good at multitasking, and I have already lost the 1st half) so I won't be that present for a hour or so.
>>61010301
And I am doing some accounting work for tuesday. Ah, the life that we lead... yeah, maybe let's leave it here, before it becomes awkward.
>>61010083
Ayy literally best moment in metal period
0:34-1:08
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YIj44JDiUJs
WOKEN UP AGAIN WITH NO PLACE TO HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>61010376
>tu-rururururu ea-heyyy oh heeyy la lal la la.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOvZKJlrtk8
wow I can actually stand this chick singing.
10 out of fucking 10
>>61010576
>raiders fans
Are there metalcore/deathcore subgenres as there are in metal ?
I've listened to some metalcore lately, mainly because I was curious to hear what it really is, and I can easily tell that mid/late-BMTH and Escape the Fate are quite different from RoS (kek) and Atlantis Chronicles, which is different from, well, standard deathcore (Thy Art is Murder, Suicide Silence...), which is different from Soilwork or Trivium, which is different from BFMV, Killswitch Engage and Avenged Sevenfold.
So far I would put it like that:
>mid/late-BMTH, Escape the Fate = alt/nu-metalcore (catchy po(o)ppy choruses)
>RoS, Atlantis Chronicles = tech deathcore
>Standard Deathcore = kek
>early-BFMV, late-Trivium, late-Soilwork = Melodic metalcore
>thrashy-era-BFMV, early-Trivium, KsE, A7X = Thrashy-metalcore
>mid-(not melodeath)-Soilwork = Groove Metalcore.
What do you think of that? Is there a chart or something for this so I can see how bad I am at classifying things?
>inb4 "Not Metal"
I know, it's just that I feel you all heared metalcore once and are better at classification than random -core guys.
>>61010376
This so much. Blasting Vinterskugge now.
>There are people in this thread that considers From Mars To Sirius to be a bad album
>>61010663
Yeah actually, this is what they are
>whiny bullshit
>tough-guy bullshit
>poor imitation bullshit
>myspace-core
>converge worship
>vocal filters over breakdowns
There you go.
>>61010701
If it makes you feel better, I never listened to that album.
>>61010663
wat, of course there is, we can get as technical with our definitions as we what, but in the end its a waste of time so all that shit you listed should just be under metalcore/deathcore, because most bands have a style and lumping styles together would create thousands of meaningless genres.
Also:
>Escape the Fate
>Being good
kek
>>61007269
This is not entirely false
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV4CjNvIBJA
>>61010663
You can classify them all of them as terrible
>>61010803
This, too.
99% of all 'core' bands are absolutely awful with shallow instrument-work and lyrics that are written by what sounds like a 13 year old.
>>61010856
That isn't really a knock on -core since a lot of trve stuff is like that too
>>61010772
Yeah, but Soilwork and BMTH are very different imo, so I think there is a classification somewhere. Even a tiny classification, I don't care about that.
Also
>implying I said Escape the Fate is good
kek
>>61010263
Try Moonsorrow or Falkenbach
>>61006976
I don't like it but it's better than most of their j-pop metal and i can understand that people like it.
That moment with the crowd was nice
>>61007087
If my kawai metal you mean their j-pop / metal not really
Actually a lot of their riffing is akin to nu and metalcore, and these genres has laid off things much better
Also
>objective
:^)
Not often seen on /mu/ but it's a great album
>>61010939
Yes it is
>>61010901
thats what happens when you record your music on a cassette tape while being an edgy teenager/young adult, it turns out like shit.
>>61010920
Different styles bro, do you want all your music under one genre sounding the same/incredibly similar?
>>61010770
It is perfectly your right to do so
>>61010939
Absolutely.
This and MV3 are great.
>>61007363
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oslgaO3_fno
>>61010974
To me the gap between these bands is too big to not think of bringing subgenres in metalcore. Maybe it's a subjective matter.
>>61011096
Whatever you say buddy, but I'll just point this out.
Metallica and Warbringer have some pretty striking differences too in terms of thrash, do you think thrash should have subgenres?
>>61008907
What is up with his arm
>>61011200
It doubles as a German sex toy.
>>61011171
Doesn't sound absurd to me desu.
I don't know Warbringer yet (I sure will, my knowledge in Thrash is veeeery tiny), but even between Reign in Blood and Master of Puppets there are a lot of differences, even if these are still thrash metal. There is obviously one that sounds more "evil" and faster.
Toughts on Swallow the Sun last album .
I liked it desu.
>>61011171
>do you think thrash should have subgenres
>implying it doesn't.
>>61011171
thrash does have sub genres though
>>61011383
gib template
I want to have fun
>>61011312
Reign In Blood is the reason that Death Metal exists. Basically every DM band cited Slayer and Celtic Frost as influence. Basically every future DM band after listening to Reign In Blood wanted to start a band and be faster, more extreme than Slayer.
>>61011359
first cd meh
second cd shit
third cd decent
>>61011171
I always thought thrash did have subgenres.
>>61006803
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uf8t_EcYVTs
Where the ancient roman death metal at
>>61011444
>muh Possessed muh Nunslaughter
But you're right though.
>>61011383
This is what happens when we don't educate people. I mean, are people even aware that Sarcofago was also heavily inspired by Swedish punk? After all, the drummer has a mohawk and is pure punkster. Sure, they had a warpaint, but they did it for additional effects, because they wanted to look like ghouls.
However, I would call Sarcófago Death Metal. This is the genre that they identified the most.
Meanwhile, Sepultura was more Thrash than Death.
Just bleached my hair blonde, glam metal for this feel?
>>61010663
You have a pretty good idea, I'd say.
In the late 80s you had pv that is basically thrashcore with a metal and sludgey edge (among other things of course)
In the 90s you had vegan moshcore, nyhc, boston hardcore, beatdown hxc, which is variants of 80s hardcore + thrash
You also had what people "properly" refer to as metalcore, stuff like Integrity and Ringworm
In the mid to late 90s you had mathcore, you know the dissonant stuff sometimes influenced by post-hardcore like Botch or DEP (or Norma Jean if you're a white belt hxc bro)
And in the 00s you had the melodeath gotheburg inspired shit
>>61011444
Hell Awaits is more in-line with death metal I'd say, and Kreator's PTK is even more than HA and RiB combined, blueprint-wise. But yeah, Slayer was an obvious catalyst.
>Vocals are sparse, most of the album being filled with plodding bass lines over which the lead guitar dribbles wooden Claptonisms from the master's tiredest Cream days. They even have discordant jams with bass and guitar reeling like velocitized speedfreaks all over each other's musical perimeters yet never quite finding synch - just like Cream! But worse.
>Grand Funk is like an American white blues band of three years ago--dull. Black Sabbath is English--dull and decadent. I don't care how many rebels and incipient groovies are buying. I don't even care if the band members believe in their own Christian/satanist/liberal murk. This is a dim-witted, amoral exploitation.
>Rarely an artist so ill-equipped technically and with so little imagination has had great influence on later generations. Black Sabbath brought blues-rock to its logical extreme: not only widened the scope as had been done by their masters Cream and Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath deprived it of any intellectual content, of any virtuous act, of any artistic ambition.
Why do you still listen to pleb shit like Sabbath /metal/?
>>61011478
If my trips and dubs wasn't indication enough.
Still, thank you for agreeing, though.
>>61011383
ayy budd
>>61011510
what would you do, if I told you that the term "deathcore" is as old as 80s?
>>61011432
Don't have it, sorry.
>>61011489
Oh, you're one of those guys.
Well, you see, I don't care what other people say, even the musicians themselves. I let the music speak for itself. And those particular albums are undeniably Black/Thrash and Death/Thrash respectively.
>>61011540
>trips and dubs
Oh shit I just noticed that.
>>61010576
Fuck this is horrible.
