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>Fantasy
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>Sci-Fi
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Previous: >>8192694
First for there being nothing wrong with talking about old books without constantly, defensively mentioning that you also like new books.
I know it's >YA but anyone here read Cinder / Lunar Chronicles series? It kind of looks interesting, premise wise.
And I guess just throw some books at me with interesting, non-standard premises.
>>8199604
I have yet to read modern fantasy that wasn't written by an established author that wasn't trash or extremely mediocre at best.
Science fiction unlike fantasy had decent titles. Not sure what makes fantasy worse in comparison, or rather more attractive to hordes of nerds and feminists.
>>8199606
>interesting, non standard premises
Finch by Jeff VanDerMeer
The Anubis Gates by Tim Powers
Anything by Carlton Mellick III if you're feeling like some dumb fun.
>>8199628
>and feminists
Is it really the belief in feminist ideals that you dislike, or preachy and/or heavy-handed writing?
>>8199641
Not him but both.
>>8199598
FUUUCCCKKKK YOOUUUU
I was going to make the new thread.
I spent over 9000 hours in paint to make a thread pic...
Will still post it
Topic
>What are the most recent rendition of Sword and Sorcery?
>>8199645
S&S is a shit genre, I'm very glad it's dead. Now whateverthefuck the genre Weeks and Ryria is doing needs to die.
>>8199628
Funny you say that, it's the opposite here. I find more modern fantasy than scifi. All the scifi titles in my backlog are old authors, except Watts I guess.
For those of you who aren't immediately horrified by anything that isn't conservative, what are some interesting leftist sffg authors besides Ursula Le Guin and China Mieville?
And I mean actually leftist, not fearmongering, "the women in this book leave the kitchen oh god the end is near!!!!1" shit.
>>8199641
They almost always go hand in hand, with the exception of Ursula le Guin's earlier work.
>>8199658
Why don't you ask your friend Reddit?
AGE of Myth 5 days away
GET HYPE
>>8199684
>look it up
>by THAT trash author
fuck off already chart anon, if you want to make use of your shit taste find good new authors instead of the same popshit books
>>8199658
That is the actual leftists, Mieville included especially.
But, most sff is generally speaking is left leaning as someone who stands opposed to say the values of Tolkien, Lewis, Wolfe.
>>8199658
I think GRRM is kind of left leaning. I'm not recommending you his ASOIAF books, but check out his short stories and Sci fi. The fat fuck can write when he wants to.
>>8199656
They must be hiding from me.
The recommended fantasy chart is a disaster with all authors who wrote past 2000 from what I've read.
>>8199691
Why are you trying this hard to fit in on a chinese memes and frogposting board?
>>8199691
>implying I'm chart anon
I guess if I say
>5 months for Blood Mirror
You would say I am chart anon too? There are more than one person who likes a particular book in these threads.
If I saw you speaking about Gene Wolfe should I call you chart anon? He has multiple books by that author on his bait chart.
>>8199693
>kind of
>>8199606
Souls in the Great Machine, Sean McMullen. Post-apoc Australians build a human-powered supercomputer and abduct numerate citizens for its galley slaves.
True Names, Cory Doctorow and Ben Rosenbaum. Politics within post-singularity superintelligences.
The Carnelian Cube, L. Sprague de Camp and Fletcher Pratt. Guy takes a trip through alternate American South. Really bizarre alternate American South.
Quantum Thief, Hannu Rajaniemi. Gentleman thief stealing lifetime from Martian French Revolution types. One of the Solar System's major powers is descended from MMO guilds.
Servant of the Underworld, Aliette de Bodard. Aztec magic murder mystery.
The Golden Age, John C. Wright. Post-post-scarcity captain of industry realizes he signed away a few hundred years of memory.
Cold Allies, Patricia Anthony. Video game nerd pilots a halftrack mecha fighting Arabs in the Pyrenees.
The Face in the Frost, John Bellairs. Pair of crotchety wizards doing wizard things.
Deep Secret, Diana Wynne Jones. Wizard in charge of Earth cuts corners by bringing all the wizard candidates together at a con. Features floppy disk magic hacking.
Deathworld, Harry Harrison. Planet where every single form of life wants to kill humans and they all walk around with loaded guns from age 4.
Mirage, Matt Ruff. Alt-hist where the Arabs are a democratic superpower and the Baghdad twin towers were destroyed by Texans.
New Model Army, Adam Roberts. Mercenaries introduce true democracy into war with horrifying results.
>>8199658
I don't get why people ask this question so often, so they not know publishing and authors are overwhelmingly leftists?
c.j. cherryh is good
>>8199695
Or maybe you have different standards for fantasy as opposed to scifi.
>>8199712
>another boring popshit rehash book
yes i would.
>>8199723
I don't get your point, like half of all authors also self identify as Anarchists, is that not far-left enough for you?
>>8199707
GRRM his best works are his stand alone.
Fevre Dream is also a big recommendation.
ASOIAF was supposed to be a trilogy but then the editors wanted more so the padding came in.
>>8199726
>like half of all authors also self identify as Anarchists, is that not far-left enough for you?
Oh. I just didn't know that. Besides Moorcock and LeGuin, who? I know Mieville is a Marxist.
>2nd malazan book
>halfway through
>no motivation to keep reading
ehh, and I loved the first book
>>8199722
>Margaret Atwood sounds more your speed.
Atwood is a Red Tory.
>>8199739
It's ok.
I had a hard time finishing it and then I decided to postpone reading the 3rd.
I think I just wanted something else.
Maybe some tearjerker book, something to appeal to my emotions not autism.
>>8199736
>Liberalism is a leftist ideology, but leftism isn't only liberalism.
Liberalism is centerism. And its the dominant ideology of the age. Most "conservatives" are actually liberals because they support capitalism.
>>8199729
Paolo Bacigalupi, Alan Moore, Kim Robinson, Gail Martin, Paula Volsky, Philip Pullman, Robin Hobb etc.
I could go on endlessly, genre fiction is fucking dominated by leftists, now try to do the same for rightist genre fiction other than Castalia.
>>8199762
Liberalism originally comes as a reaction in philosophy to scholasticism which is now more or less the only strong basis for a conservative outlook with Locke and in politics with the French Revolution which is also a revolt against conservative values.
They all mix in America as Locke is the ideological founder of it so there it's very fluid.
>>8199766
Well, the only one on your list that I knew was a leftist was Alan Moore, and I'm a leftist, so I wouldn't be able to do it for rightist genre fiction even if it were equitable.But to be honest I'm glad to hear it's dominated by leftists.
>>8199762
Liberalism (At least, modern American definition) is just wanting social and political change.
Like conservatism it's essentially a meaningless term only defined by the status quo.
Centrism too.
Then there's classical liberalism and the liberalism that came from the enlightenment in which case you're right.
But America uses a different definition.
These days liberalism is literally just progressivism.
>>8199781
>mfw comments like this is exactly why labour's voting base has vanished and why left-politics are dying in Europe
>>8199606
Years of Rice and Salt, Kim Stanley Robinson. Alt-hist following a group of reincarnating friends through a world where the Black Death completely wiped Europe.
Mossflower, Brian Jacques. Epic hero cycle except they're mice on riverboats.
Watership Down, Robert Adams. National myth cycle except they're rabbits. Just rabbits, in rabbit warrens, viewing humans as dark gods.
Powder Mage, Brian McClellan. Napoleonic Wars except snorting gunpowder gives some people superpowers.
Frontier Magic, Patricia C. Wrede. Exploring the American frontier but there's magic.
A Deepness in the Sky, Vernor Vinge. Two sublight human civs trying to make first contact with spider aliens. Includes slavery through autism.
Alfred Bester, The Stars My Destination. Count of Monte Cristo in space.
>>8199787
>American definitions
>Mattering
I would say that a country which has shaped the political views of many countries and is also the most powerful country in the world, or at least was, with globalization helping the spread of everything strong in it, yes.
>You guys also think libertarianism is extreme capitalism
Well yes, that's the idea of Locke, French Revolution, Adam Smith and mostly even Hayek. Liberalism is economic first and everything else second.
>and socialism is roads and healthcare.
More like gulags and abortion
>>8199791
>why left-politics are dying in Europe
Are you happy or upset by this?
>>8199787
> socialism is roads
Infrastructure spending collapsed under Obama.
Nixon truly was the last liberal.
I'm trying to remember a couple of science fiction books. One of them was about how space colonization is so expensive the only way to improve on your investment is to send mercs to pillage your colonies. Part of the future world was that food came from factories and eating natural food was considered disgusting. I think the word Dragon was in the title.
The other one was about a human race linked by wormholes that's fighting this hivemind race that calls itself Prime. The humans are all immortal, and there's a subplot where this dreadlocks guy is walking on fairy paths through a bunch of different planets.
>>8199804
But they absolutely dominate.
All values are straight out of your bag of progressive nonsense.
>>8199803
Cameron is a conservative
Are you fucking retarded?
>>8199803
>everyone that doesn't think like me is scared and ignorant
>>8199800
>Well yes, that's the idea of Locke, French Revolution, Adam Smith and mostly even Hayek.
But they weren't the people who invented the word. It still refers to anarcho-communists and syndicalists in most of continental Europe. Also Adam Smith being in the same tier as Austrians like Hayek is literally a meme made by people who don't understand Adam Smith.
>>8199821
I forgot to add a > to the quote
Was trying to say that there's nothing conservative about him.
>>8199825
>You shouldn't, a lack of political diversity is a death sentence; it killed social sciences hardcore.
I'm working on a master's degree in anthropology right now.
>>8199833
I'm Sorry Anon.
>>8199826
Do you not see any irony in your words?
>>8199833
1 Big King menu if you please.
>>8199832
My bad, was just throwing out recs.
>>8199628
Are you one of those that wanted the general to be split, and then found out that scifi laid dead in the water on it's own?
Fagget
>>8199839
This is a humanities board, STEMlord. Get out.
>>8199828
>But they weren't the people who invented the word.
Locke is as far as I know, or is the most important figure to the formation of the movement if not the inventor of the word itself.
>It still refers to anarcho-communists and syndicalists in most of continental Europe.
I've never heard of liberalism being related to communism or the syndicates. And I'm from central Europe.
Liberalism as word wrongly related to the sexual revolution? That's another story.
>Also Adam Smith being in the same tier as Austrians like Hayek is literally a meme made by people who don't understand Adam Smith.
I won't claim to understand him, but Hayek is pretty clear on being a follower of Smith and liberalism.
>>8199846
No, that wasn't me, although when the fantasy general was made and sffg stayed parallel to it I noticed a massive decrease of plebs and the thread was great.
>>8199853
I'm a blue collar worker.
>>8199856
You're being bigoted against a large group of people based on your accusation of their bigotry.
>b-but it's true
Riiight.
>>8199857
>liberalism
I said libertarianism.
>>8199859
What do you do? I'm just construction labor, boss is a local contractor that mostly does real estate remodeling.
>>8199751
I don't know man, this shit going in the seven cities just isn't as interesting as what was happening during the jenna backis campaign with the bridge burners, that was really awesome and fun to read through, but this is just boring with boring characters
>>8199864
I'm not a bigot when I'm intolerant of other people's opinions because their opinions are wrong, therefore I'm not bigoted.
>>8199867
My bad anon.
>>8199864
All egalitarian/progressive ideologies are extremely totalitarian in nature, so his dismissal of people who believe in heresy x is to be expected.
As we mentioned Hayek, his Law, Legislation and Liberty and A Road to Serfdom as well as The Servile State by Hilaire Belloc are great reads.
>>8199870
You're wasting your time trying to argue desu. The populism is going to die down once the Syrian Civil War ends and the refugees stop coming. Then it will go back to business as usual.
Remember to
>report pol posts
>hide pol posts
>>8199887
This wouldn't happen every other thread if you guy didn't get BTFO'd by pol posts so easily, embarrassing.
>>8199868
Foreman gardening local government.
Before that I was a bricklayer.I'm actually "overqualified", but I liked working outside more than sitting on my ass.
What should be the maximum length of a fantasy series?
>>8199898
I don't even know who is supposed to be pol here.
>>8199901
Trilogy or a quartet.
>>8199903
Maybe the guy naming Cameroon a reactionaries choice.
>>8199901
Fourteen books plus a prequel book.
>>8199894
>whoever voted for him must have some sort of hatred against others.
Uh, no shit? Wait, just how young are you?
>>8199908
That's leftypol.
>>8199900
I've done a little brick work, just a retaining wall though. Seems pretty chill. Landscaping, though, I can't handle the sun as well as I used to.
I know what you mean about doing something when you work, having a finished product to look at. The money where I'm at sucks, though.
>>8199901
Until it gets boring. You can write a lot of books in a series if that series is Discworld.Is Discworld the Gintama of SFF?
>>8199921
It's the Precure.
Find a flaw
>>8199927
Of fantasy*
>>8199931
https://youtu.be/rc5G04nJecI?t=3m6s
>>8199903
>>8199633
>Anubis Gates
My nigga.
>>8199606
A few on here are like that.
>>8199927
Any SFF novels where the protagonists are idoru with godlike strength and agility?
>>8199970
That chart is the definition of generic sameshit.
>>8199974
But they aren't idols, and I don't think there are battle books for preteen girls.
>>8199974
The entire point of that genre is to look at cute little girls, it doesn't work in books.
Any grimdark sci-fi that is something like Blame?
Yes, the manga.
>>8199982
But it's a series for little girls not perverted men.
>>8199978
No it isn't, but it's retarded. "Modern" fantasy, including cyberpunk books, golden-age SF books, modern SF books, horror writing and fuck knows what else.
>>8198202
Relevant to that pic. I'm on the second book of that terrible dragon romance, and the heroine is having a difficult pregnancy. Apparently birthing the spawn of a dragon (that somehow bears human form) is unnatural.
>>8199982
I think Precure is actually intended for little girls. All I know is it makes good webms.
>>8199927
Naw, man. Check this out:
>ostensibly a comedy, but makes you care about the characters a lot
>still really funny
>runs for a really long time
>takes a lot of jokes that should have been run into the ground a long time ago and makes them funny
>bathroom humor when you're expecting sophistication, sophistication when you're expecting bathroom humor
>all kinds of references and parodies
>somehow is better as a drama and a comedy than most drama or comedy
>>8199994
>I think
Precure is intended for little girls, the target demographic is girls around the age of 9.
And I was just joking with Precure, just trying to look for other big friends.
>>8199970
>In the same vein as SUPERNATURAL, HELLBOY, and BLADE comes...DÄMOREN.
>A secret society of monster hunters.
A holy revolver forged to eradicate demons.
A possessed man with a tragic past.
A rising evil bent on destroying them all.
>MATT HOLLIS is the current wielder of the holy weapon, Dämoren. With it, he stalks and destroys demons.
>A secret society called the VALDUCANS has taken an interest in Matt’s activities. They see him as a reckless rogue—little more than a ‘cowboy’ corrupted by a monster—and a potential threat to their ancient order.
>As knights and their sentient weapons begin dying, Matt teams up with other hunters of his kind such as LUIZA, a woman with a conquistador blade; ALLAN, an Englishman with an Egyptian khopesh; MALCOLM, a voodoo priest with a sanctified machete; and TAKAIRA, a naginata-swinging Samurai.
>As the hunters become the hunted, they must learn to trust one another before a powerful demonic entity thrusts the world into a terrible and ageless darkness.
>>8199997
I want to get into Precure someday, just to see if there's more to those fights. But I'm sure they're the exception.
>>8200002
This sounds Coldsteel tier.
>>8200002
>the revolver has a bayonet
Could... could someone read it and report back?
>>8200013
It's mostly clear simple morals and other appropiate things for a little girl show.
If you're in for the fighting then Heartcatch is probably your best bet.
Go Princess also had a fair amount of good quality fights.
Yes 5 also had a good amount of fisticuffs, but since it's a 50 episode children show don't expect quality to be consistent.
Splash Star is best if you want something the closest to DBZ, but it's extremely formualic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3yv9SjYoHQ
It's nothing deep, but nothing about it is pretentious either
And don't expect any kind of fanservice like pantyshots or whatever, they're literally not there.
>>8200032
Sounds great, I'm a fan of simple morals and purity over fanservice.
Part of why I like Discworld.
>>8200023
It's not terrible. But it's pretty much exactly what it reads as. Nothing game changing or overly praiseworthy. You can read it in a day or two if you're bored
>>8199983
Uh.
That's a bit broad but if you want hard sci-fi involving exploration of a megastructure, read Pushing Ice by Alastair Reynolds.
>>8200046
You have a bunch of people hacking at a giant demon with swords. Is that anime enough?
>wake up
>great ordeal not out
Official /sffg/ tier list
Shit Tier :
Dino Anon
Bakker shill
OK tier :
Everybody else
Anybody able to recommend some good, dark fantasy that draws on folk legends and such?
I really enjoyed this Robert Silverberg book from 1972. If you want something modern, character driven, and dealing with the occult/forbidden knowledge, this will do.
One particular thread runs through it; rationality and the sciences have rendered religion and mysticism into meaningless materialism, which man finds unsatisfying. There's quite a bit of gay sex, too.
>>8200191
Have you read Cherryh's Rusalka yet?
Hey /sffg/
I want to make a chart of essential albums that are either:
1. About /sffg/
2. Are great for listening to while reading SFF
And I want some suggestions from you guys!
>>8200295
Sounds retarded and superfluous. Who the fuck listens to music while reading?
Question
Any books similar to kingkiller chronicles? Just finished rereading them and I want more like it
Also, any fantasy books with an archer protag? I always see swordsmen/wizards but no archers
Finally, any fantasy books set in an Asian theme? I always see feudal England and shit with kings and Knights, but no Asian ones with samurai and shoguns and stuff
>>8200332
1. Wizard of Earthsea is like a more concise (imho better) version of the basic "Magic University" setup, you might like that
2. Can't think of one right off, except Robin Hood stuff obv.
3. Guy Gavriel Kay has a few, there's not much fantastical elements in his stuff though (almost historical fiction).
>>8200295
In the court of the crimson king.
>>8200367
I've seen earthsea mentioned in these threads before but have never really looked at it. I guess I'll check it out, thanks
>>8200367
>1. Wizard of Earthsea is like a more concise (imho better) version of the basic "Magic University" setup, you might like that
Is this book really YA like wiki says?
>>8200412
Yeah. Some people here like it but I thought it was boring.
>>8200412
YA didn't exist back then because you didn't write books for retarded teenagers as such.
It's children's literature.
>>8200295
Somewhere in Time - Iron Maiden
The album inspired by Blade Runner.
>>8200421
>>8200514
YA should've never been a "genre"... what's wrong with just writing books about kids but with good prose and interesting messages? It feels like people intentionally dumb down stuff now. I guess there are some exceptions like that thing C. Wright wrote, but they are in the minority (and fairly unpopular apparently, that book has <2000 votes on goodreads).
>>8200551
Good YA exists (Howl's Moving Castle, late-period Pratchett, Railsea), it's just drowned in a sea of Potter and Hunger Games clones
>/lit/ is making fun of us again
>>8200563
Also Watership down and Duncton Wood
>>8200571
I've read more philosophy and classics than 80% of them, I don't give a fuck.
>>8200587
So you've read 1?
>>8200295
The music from CIV: Beyond Earth makes excellent scifi reading.
Also some of aphex twins heavier work is pretty good for scifi battle scenes. We Have Arrived fucking stomps
I listened to Beats to Think too my Spotify Germany (you guessed it on Spotify) and that usually has some pretty mellow electronic stuff.
I think I'm in the minority about combining music and reading however.
>>8200604
By Spotify Germany. Ty autocorrect.
>>8199645
New to this General. What does this picture symbolize? Is it some internal meme? Because I never saw it in outer lit.Wtf is written on Barney's chest?
Also please recommend some fantasy books about persons living off the land. Like a hermit.
>>8200646
It's a long, autistic story... basically some anon thinks /sffg/ is full of "dinosaurs" who only read 40+ year old books and memes about it.
How is the Way of Kings?
Wasn't a big fan of Mistborn desu.
>>8200683
If you like the garbage novels you'll probably like the mediocrity.
>>8199974
what... the fuck
Why do I feel like the one in black/purple is a guy?
>>8200683
I didn't like Mistborn either and think it's good.
>>8200083
>>8200223
>author's name is larger than the Book's title
>>8200332
>Any books similar to kingkiller chronicles?
Earthsea
The Magicians by Lev Grossman
>Also, any fantasy books with an archer protag?
Blood Song
Vanadis (anime)
>any fantasy books set in an Asian theme?
Emperor's Blade?
Long Price Quartet(it's shit)
>>8200733
>girls can't do MMA
oh you.
>>8200817
It looks like a fucking dude
That shit is straight out of japan so I can't trust shit they do
>>8200295
>reading 19th century novel
>Freude schoener Goettenfunken starts playing
>>8200683
I thought it was the greatest novel ever when I was 15.
>>8200332
>Asian themed fantasy
Moribito.
Black Wolves.
The Grace of Kings. (did not like this one)
Lotus Wars series.
The Romance of the Three Kingdoms, it's more historical fiction though.
IIRC Raymond E. Feist wrote a Asian-themed spinoff to the Riftwar series, but I've never read any of his stuff.
>>8200915
>IIRC Raymond E. Feist wrote a Asian-themed spinoff to the Riftwar series, but I've never read any of his stuff.
I've recommended it a few times.
>>8200905
>book released 2010
>6 years ago
>anon is now 21
dang, I wanted to underage b& you
>>8199766
Gee I wonder why that is. Maybe authors reflect more about the human condition and what keeps a society running instead of being greedy and concentrating on how to screw the other guy above all else?
>>8200992
Do you understand economics at all? A business owner doesn't set his prices out of greed. They are determined by the market (provided there isn't a monopoly); if he sets prices too high or wages too low, his customers/employees will flock to competitors.
Literary ignorant, here.
What's a good place to start with science fiction if you enjoyed stuff like Blade runner, Stalker or Event Horizon? You know, more on the dystopian side or can cross into horror.
>>8201001
Not that anon. He sets his prices as high as he can get away with and pays his employees as little as he can get away with. Yes, the market affects that (competition, supply, demand, etc.) but the fact remains that the motivating factor is to make as much money as possible for himself. It just happens that making prices infinitely high and wages literally nothing isn't viable.
>>8201003
Blindsight by Watts
>>8201003
Roadside Picnic. Book Stalker was based on.
>>8201005
>the motivating factor is to make as much money as possible for himself
Exactly but, thanks to capitalism, him doing so helps other people as well.
just 12 days until dunyain fucking shits get removed
>>8201022
and who designed this fucking cover?
>>8201029
>Scowling Man commemorative plate
>>8200992
Or because conservatives are conservative and don't bet their livelihood on the stupidly low risk of becoming even a moderately successful author.
>>8201049
Nah, % of leftists in western countries is higher.
>>8201055
What?
>>8201035
>sweet potatoes AND mashed potatoes? you gluttonous cur, if my soul wasn't locked within this dinnerware, i would throttle your fat neck
>>8201055
University educated yes, but overall no. Although this will probably change as it seems each generation is coming out more utopian and conformist than the last.
>>8201073
>utopian and conformist
all you need to do is listen and believe, friendo
>>8201073
I don't know about you, but it's 33/66% in the generally conservative/generally leftists here in the 1985+ generations.
>>8201061
Still better than the scowling man covers
>>8199766
>implying scifi doesn't exist
>implying military scifi doesn't exist
>>8201083
I'm not even American and I know you're wrong, they're way more republicans in America than democrats, that's why democrats have literally lost control of the country and the only way they can get anything past is through executive orders.
>>8201090
they're miles better
oh well at least the scowling man isn't computer generated
>>8201093
90% of military scifi is literally rehashes of The Forever War, we fucking get it, war is hell.
>>8201102
They have absolute control over our generation.
Also they have the control over the value system, hence no "traditional values" can be found in the legislation.
They control the language and have changed the way most think about sex (which became gender) for example.
>>8201087
Yes that was my point.
>>8201083
In Britain it's more even on economics, thankfully Thatcher still has an influence, but the EU has a Keynesian influence. Social conservatism (most importantly the nuclear family, the building block of society) is pretty much dead here.
>>8201116
I think you need to spend some time outside of campus friend.
>Meanwhile in reality
>>8201125
I spend most my time alone studying, reading, painting, music, so you are probably right.
>>8201139
Only 2 out of these countries have a conservative majority.
Not only that, but the fact that there is a turn means one side is dominating.
No party or country is conservative until you see it in legislation, with the core being values such as family, institution of marriage, protection of life, rule of law, state which isn't the massive overseer of it everything, independence from the EU and such.
Poland and Hungary are the only ones where we can speak of a conservative majority.
>>8201139
>hungary and poland
wow it's fucking nothing
a skinhead farts in a bathtub, and leftists flip the fuck out about a populist/fascist uprising
>>8201190
>>8201183
>American tears as their Reddit fantasy of socialist Europe shatters
>>8201029
>You cunts shit on Night Angel because it has a real person's photo on it.
>Don't say shit about Bakker
I guess even the low must have something to hate on
>>8201205
Why do you assume I'm American?
That picture also makes no sense. Unless we keep it to only economics. And vaguely so.
>>8201190
It's quite significant. They are holding their own against the massive propaganda machine which is the EU. It's like a beacon of hope for other movements throughout the continent.
How do I become a popular fantasy author?
>>8201244
Cater to the game of thrones faggots.
>>8201029
If you squint it looks like trashy erotica for women.
>>8201244
Write nihilistic drivel about GRI.
>>8201244
Remember that most people pick a book based on
>Title
>Cover
>Summary
and strive to avoid looking generic
>>8201308
>most people pick a book based on
>Title
>Cover
>Summary
Why are there so many retards out there?
The ones who pick a book based on the cover trigger me the most?
Can't find a book, perhaps you guys can help.
All I want from it is interesting, cool characters (I don't have to relate to them but I wanna be like "Fuck, that guy is pretty badass" and all that.), at least okay-tier plot if not better, a decent amount of fighting and action and that it won't have any young-adult feel to it (AKA not City of Bones, Hunger games)
Any ideas? Thanks.
Can you go talk about your boring and pointless Bongistani politics elsewhere, Mohammed Sayid ibn Fadlan ibn Saddam ibn Usama ibn Nigel?
>>8201392
Dresden files
Wheel of Time
Codex Alexa
>>8201392
Mistborn
>>8201323
It's just because those are the things you see in a bookshop, most people aren't going to whip out their phone and check reviews. You need that immediate "Hm, looks interesting" factor.
Any books that feel like this?
>>8201392
Does it have to be GRI APPROVED?
>>8201441
Hmm. Looks to be the Medieval Ages. Try the Iliad.
>>8201441
A song of ice and fire
Red Knight
Tigana I think can't remember read that YEARS ago
Prince of nothing
Way of Kings
>>8201441
Azincourt by Bernard Cornwell
I'm like 400 pages into my urban fantasy with halfway to go, and I'm starting to realize I have a lot of anime influences. It's not for lack of other influences. I mean I have read lots of literary fiction and Western fantasy too. In a way it makes sense that this would happen. What I don't understand is why we haven't already seen this? Where is the anime influence in contemporary Western fantasy? Or are my anime influences the reason my book is going to suck and not be published?
>>8201454
>Looks to be the Medieval Ages
>Try the Iliad.
What sort of bait is this even?
>>8201472
Nah, there's just some lag going on. We'll see anime influences everywhere before long because Western authors want to be the Terry Brooks of romance, or at their most creative steampunk, while mangaka are writing about the US Civil War but with demons.IMO the reactionary backlash that started the Twitter anime nazi thing will have much further effects but I don't have data for that.
>>8201484
>while mangaka are writing about the US Civil War but with demons.
Blaster Knuckle?
(Black freeman fights KKK werewolf-vampires, he has boxing gloves that are shotguns)
>>8201416
This, anon. Characters are fun and it feels like an action-adventure primarily rather than fantasy at many points.
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>>8201507
Katsute Kami Datte Kemonotachi-e, It's Shane except they're going around killing berserk monster Civil War vets.
>>8201523
>dat pic
>my sides
>oh no
>>8201523
my god
Enjoying blacksword so far.
>>8201472
Do you mean anime influences as in aesthetics or characterization or what?
>>8201523
>>8201598
Unless they're literally starving street urchins.
>>8201598
what if it was a magical orphanage where instead of getting molested by the older kids you learned how to cast spells and summon fairies
>>8201597
It's really no aspect in particular, but just drawing from that tradition and pool of ideas in general. For example "daylight Lovecraftianism" in near future settings where main characters fight surreal monsters while struggling with existential angst is pretty common in anime media, i. e. FFVII, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Madoka Magica, Kara no Kyoukai, Xenogears etc. I'm definitely doing some "daylight Lovecraftianism", for example.
>>8200683
I'm 900 pages into it and I think the good moments haven't really been worth it, it seriously redefines bloat. One of the POV characters is compelling, the other two not so much.
>>8202784
>redefines bloat
Bitch please, I'm halfway through the wheel of time. You think you know bloating, think again.
>>8202787
Isn't the Stormlight Archive on schedule to be longer than WoT? And if it's already bloating in the first book, we might be witnessing next-level bloat.
>>8202790
It's just the first book because of le world building. Book 2 is much better.
>>8202790
SA will be ten books. WoT is 14 books + 1 prequel book.
>>8201392
First Law trilogy
Lies of Locke Lamora
>>8200295
Stupid fucking idea.
01011001 by Ayreon
Nightfall in Middle-Earth by Blind Guardian
>>8202180
I'm trying to think of Western examples of that. Are you saying they have some semblance of a normal life while fighting surreal monsters and having an existential crisis, is that where the "daylight" comes from?
>"Someone farted."
Michael Swanwick, Iron Dragons Daughter
Some of the best fantasy around.
>>8200295
>not making a faggot ass playlist for everything you enjoy and uploading the v0s to 8tracks
Wew. Pic related is an unfinished one.
>>8203115
>not just listening to your local AM jazz station
>Jack Vance is one of my biggest inspirations
Does it show?
>>8203177
No, not at all.
Maybe in his less famous works.
>>8203177
His writing was less annoying than Dying Earth, so no it doesn't.
>>8203177
He also sings Gene Wolfe's praises every chance he gets. I should really read his short stories/sci fi, I'm told that's his real talent.
>>8202794
The second half of book 2 was so bad that I threw it out of my window and left it in the garden for a week, walking back out to stomp on it every once in a while.
>sets up a beautiful world with interesting characters, and ties the separate strings of their stories into one interesting plot
>none of the usual hamfisted nonsense - everything appears to be panning out pretty well, and he's definitely improving as a writer
>JUST KIDDING IT WAS AN ANIME FANFICTION ALL ALONG
>THIS IS ACTUALLY A STORY ABOUT DRAGONBALL Z POWER RANGERS WITH SOUL EATER WEAPONS SET IN THE WARCRAFT UNIVERSE LOL
>ALL THOSE INTERESTING STORY LINES? LET'S JUST KNOCK THOSE OUT IN 20 PAGES LOL
>>8202784
>One of the POV characters is compelling
Which one? I personally wasn't interested in any character other than Shallan.
>>8203417
Is this true or are you just memeing? Provide examples. I refuse to believe it just goes
>Sir Knightington dismounted from his warhorse, frowning. The enemy cavalry was charging down the hill. "Yare yare daze", he said, before unleashing his Zanpakuto's Bankai and enveloping the charging foes in his Reiatsu."
>>8203422
>finding WoK Shallan compelling
She wasn't till she sacked up in WoR desu. Doctor's kid in a suicide detail, sure. Old duke who's half-sure he's going crazy while he has to divide his attention between stupid court intrigues, his stupid king nephew, and the stupider war with the crab people, and he's interpreting his visions wrong, that was compelling. Artist chick doing TOP SECRET RESEARCH while making doe-eyes at a cute priest, not so much.
>>8203425
Kaladin gets a powerup and has a midair battle with Szeth. Several other characters turn out to have had shardblades all along. Szeth gets picked up by a cool stoic cop dude who gives him a talking sword. A character who should have died at the 1/4 mark turned out to have just teleported.That part was actually cool, hope Jasnah lives to take advantage of Kaladin.
>>8203417
>THIS IS ACTUALLY A STORY ABOUT DRAGONBALL Z POWER RANGERS WITH SOUL EATER WEAPONS SET IN THE WARCRAFT UNIVERSE LOL
Is this really in the book or do you faggots just meme when you say Sanders writes anime in prose?
>>8203434
>Kaladin gets a powerup and has a midair battle with Szeth. Several other characters turn out to have had shardblades all along. Szeth gets picked up by a cool stoic cop dude who gives him a talking sword. A character who should have died at the 1/4 mark turned out to have just teleported.That part was actually cool, hope Jasnah lives to take advantage of Kaladin.
Jesus H. Christ
I thought people were joking when they called it a anime.
>>8203440
The midair battle was well-foreshadowed, to be fair, with Kaladin experimenting with lashings throughout the book and the deal with the vow and the spren, and I think he had another fight with Szeth at some point so it was a grudge match.Redolingetting a shardblade came out of nowhere, though. Yeah there were a couple of foreshadows if you squinted, but bottom line was he hadn't gotten the characterization to earn it.
>>8203425
Everything is quite tame, then in the course of about 40 pages it's
>KALADIN DISCOVERS HIS TRUE POWER AND IS NOW A SUPER SAIYAN
>RIGGEDY WRECKS SZETH WITH HIS NEW MAGICAL SOUL EATER POWERS
>THE LASER ORCS ARE DEFEATED AND EVERYONE TELEPORTS TO DRAGONBALL Z MOUNTAIN DOJO
>ADOLIN JUST STRAIGHT WALKS INTO SADEAS' ROOM, STABS HIM AND THROWS HIM OFF THE MOUNTAIN
>OOPS MAGICAL SHALLAN FLASHBACKS, NOW SHE'S THE MOST BORING CHARACTER OF ALL TIME
>LET'S ALL GO TO THE ROOF AND TALK TO ZORDON
>"YOU ARE ALL POWER RANGERS NOW. ALL OF YOU HAVE MAGICAL WEAPONS NOW OUT OF NOWHERE BECAUSE I SAID SO. YES, EVEN THAT GUY."
>KALADIN: *FLIES AWAY*
The only redeeming part was Szeth's death, because he was the one irritatingly flat and hammy character, and then suddenly
>WHOOPS NO SORRY HE'S NOT DEAD LOL, HE'S A MAGICAL POLICE MAN NOW AND IS GOING TO ARREST THE POWER RANGERS WITH HIS BUDDY EVIL McNOFACE
>>8203457
It was his most awkward ending since Elantris.
>>8203478
I think he did a good job with WoT, actually; the ending was solid. He goes a little ham on some of the final fight scenes, but it works out well.
It's become something of a meme to knock the series, but I really enjoyed it. Just skip over whatever filler parts get too boring.
>>8203511
>Just skip over whatever filler parts get too boring.
Too autistic to ever skip anything, sadly. I had to read ALL the endless bickering between Aes Sedai and I am fairly sure that if Nynaeve existed I would try my best to choke the life out of her.
Overall though, it's not as bad as I thought. The worldbuilding is incredible, the prose is sufficient and it has many nice scenes.
>>8203177
The only thing you notice when you read GRRM is how fat and sexually frustrated he is.
>>8201595
>we was kings
>>8203532
B-but his wife looks like she can take a good dicking... i wanna cuck him.I've been on 4chan to long
>>8203583
I think he's too fat to fuck her right. I imagine she's just as frustrated as him, it would be easy to cuck GRRM if that hasn't happened already.
>>8199714
these (with the exception of the last three)
sound really good but it's hard to choose. Which one's your favorite?
>>8203617
>there's a containment thread in /tv/ for this shit
Why would anyone from here go to /tv/ to talk about books?
You are aware the show is based on the books and that the books came out a decade before the show?
>>8203047
Well, that was just one example of anime-like stuff. But anyway, they don't necessarily have a normal life in what I term "daylight Lovecraftianism". It's just that it's sort of Lovecraftian themes, in that for example you're worrying about the meaning of life and that there are surreal space monsters, like Jenova in FFVII and the witches in Madoka Magica. Instead of it usually being one person alone challenging this though, carrying an oil lantern through the cobblestoned streets of some abandoned town, in "daylight Lovecraftianism" the settings are usually very colorful and varied instead, and you typically have friends to share your horrors with. That's really the sole thing that makes me call it "daylight". Also it's usually more optimistic in that more often than not the characters actually manage to beat the alien monsters, and also solve their philosophical angst, usually relying on existentialist philosophy. For example at the end of Xenogears the main characters free themselves from their bizarre God so they can create their own meaning.
I'll be very surprised and happy if you can think of something similar Western. I doubt you can though. It seems to me this basically started with Neon Genesis Evangelion, and everyone who has done anything similar since is just aping that. The closest I've come is Arthur C. Clarke's Childhood's End which I also know made quite an impact on the creator of Neon Genesis Evangelion when he was a child. I don't think it's quite what I'm talking about though. Clarke is just exploring closely the idea that aliens would be completely incomprehensible if we actually encountered them rather than writing genuine semi-optimistic Lovecraftian horror in a science-fiction setting.
>>8203627
>>8203627
>inner conflict
>surreal, inhuman monsters
>colorful setting, have friends around
>beat the monsters
That's... awfully open-ended.
>>8203625
I liked 'em all, mate. Tell me about your favorites and we might be able to work something out.
>>8203670
>I can only understand stories when they are pureed and placed in my mouth, and I spit them up after anyway
>I have no concept of epic or myth
