https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzIRG525l6s
Hitler did nothing wrong edition
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▶Trans Info Dump: http://pastebin.com/h1vLPxyV (embed)
▶Beginner makeup resources: http://masterposter.tumblr.com/post/116605714860
▶Size charts: http://www.americanapparel.net/sizing/default.asp?chart=womens.pantse_conversion_chart.php
▶Transition timelines: http://imgur.com/a/qWpxv
▶Voice Training: http://pastebin.com/dgipdsge (embed)
▶HRT info: https://web.archive.rg/web/0000000000000http://taimapedia.org/index.php?title=Hormones
▶Voice Help: http://webjedi.net/projects/lgbtq/speech-therapy/
▶IRC: https://www.rizon.net/chat #mtfg
▶Zeemaps: https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=1843968
Previous thread >>5976072
Let's do our best, girls!
transbian thread btw
You know what was good?
the batman animated series
it was after watching that, I realised I was trans.
daily reminder that if you seriously take stuff people post on here seriously you're fucking cancer
yume stop forgetting your trip
>>5976861
I know, thats why I dont want to get one- although if we did it wouldnt be anytime soon
I wish someone actually wanted to read this webcomic with me
>>5976854
>oldschool anime is dead forever
remove moeshit desu
>>5976864
No. We straight as fuck and can't get enough of boys. We'll resist attraction to the feminine to the last!
>>5976869
post the one where shes flapping her ears under a hood
>>5976864
pls no
Guys ftw
tfw made it home alive
>>5976830
I don't know. Why do you feel the need talk shit behind everyone's back including telling me how you think Yume and Gem are going nowhere in life and how I'm better off without them? Maybe because you moved to kiss them the day after I broke up with them?
>>5976850
No, you're right. There's a reason I had a hard time talking to Faye after she was so quick to write me off as a friend before.
>hitler did nothing wrong
>tried to go to an arts school
>>5976875
good taste
I keep forgetting to change the filename though
First for no one will ever love me and I've wasted my life. Nothing like waking up depressed and it carrying out through the day.
>>5976886
trip on me
i only spontaneously cried twice today
>>5976878
Good job!
>>5976881
she was just following her dreams of being an artist and trying to alleviate her dysphoria
HITLER SAVED ME
>>5976886
Someone will love you anon. It's only a matter of time but itll happen.
>went with mom to Italian restaurant
>be in perma boy mode
>get seated
>waitress says "can I get you ladies something to drink"
>mom digs her nails into my thigh and cuts me the most fucking evil look I ever seen
>she gets up and tells me to go to the car or she will leave me there
>run to car
>she drives home at insane speed
so much for trying to have a normal dinner like a real person
time to kill self
>>5976880
I didn't move to, I kissed them goodbye, they're sweet and awesome and got me out of my shell and introduced me to Edie, I told them I loved hem, because I do and I'm appreciative of everything and how they changed my life
Also, rate my chicken pad Thai, green chili stew with cilantro rice and pork
>>5976880
Adri stop giving into Faye's drama. Shes just upset you rejected her and is trying to bait you into more.
>>5976897
grace i love you
>>5976899
why the fuck do you keep interacting with your mother? it has ended in nothing but disaster your entire life. wake the fuck up.
Do my tits scream tranny, /mtft/? Pls ignore ginger freckles...
unsee.cc(slash)zomadegi
>>5976880
>going nowhere in life
okay
>>5976899
how does it feel that someone called you a girl to your moms face?
probably pretty good
>>5976900
making me salivate/10
Do hormones make you girl crazy? Or just horny in general? I swear I don't remember thinking about girls this much before I got on hormones, when I was a teenager. I do remember being horny and then fapping and then being able to thin about other things. I think I mostly just think about kissing girls holding hands hugging and fucking them with my giant girldick too often.
I wanna be affectionate with all the cute girls
>>5976907
yes very much so
>>5976912
At first it killed my sex drive entirely, now I just want dick all the time.
>>5976899
stop making up stories
>>5976906
kayla has said several times that her mom is a 'sweetheart' and is actually cool with her being trans
>>5976897
Theres nothing here worth loving Grace. I've been alone my entire life and its affected every part of me and I don't see that changing any time soon.
>>5976907
yup
>>5976891
>hitler hated the jews because they wouldn't give him hrt
it all makes sense now
>>5976907
>anime necklace
ughhh what to doooo
oh yeah i forgot to say, my sister gave me some clothes a few days ago (she was going to throw them out) :3
>>5976886
There's all these stories about trips meeting each other, drama etc but must of us don't even have anything like that
>>5976886
>>5976917
I love you, anon!
>>5976907
either that or 13 year old girl
if you've got the youth to back it up then woop
>>5976925
small with low projection and wide set
it'll get a bit better in time, but you have all the trans-typical breast attributes
>>5976900
8/10
>>5976907
>nintendo tattoo
literally haram
>>5976933
I'm 2 years hrt though... = (
>tfw shit tits genetics
END ME
>>5976941
Apparently me too...
>>5976941
tfw
>>5976922
carol will you marry me
carol
i want to be your wife pls
Ok so Adri was fucking yume and gem, Faye asked Adri out and rejected her, then Adri broke up with yumi/gem and Faye swooped in for the double fug, then finally fugged over to edie?
>>5976941
>tfw no tit genetics
suicide pact when
>>5976947
fucking pedo back off she's mine
>>5976923
all this shit happening with adrixfayexyumexgem makes me more than happy to never meetup with anyone here. you can clearly see it all turns into high school level gossip and backstabbing once things dont go someones way.
>>5976946
k i l l
m e
>>5976947
Thats unbiblical anon
>>5976951
so carol and coral?
>>5976948
ur timeline is AWFULLY messed up dawg
>>5976946
nice padded bra
I can do that too
>>5976960
Then correct me yume aka swaglord aka APD GODDESS
>>5976946
you look hot in that shirt.
>>5976941
tfw when asian
just fuck my shit up....
>>5976962
i wanna stick my finger in there every time i see that picture come up
>>5976962
Dont steal my images.
>>5976946
>>5976962
>>5976950
I don't have tits, nor do I want them, but I'd like to suggest suicide by old age desu
>>5976969
>being asian
>not the golden ticket
>>5976977
>suicide by old age desu
oh god, that made chuckle irl
>>5976962
same
>>5976969
it gets b e t t e r
>>5976953
That's pretty much it.
this thread is depressing for multiple reasons
>>5976946
Please. My chest looks fine with a bra and shirt lol
And I'm >>5976907
Thoughts?
>ywn be an aryan housewife with a tall handsome aryan husband and two beautiful children who love their mommy
>>5976985
Whysat gem?
>>5976987
P H I L A D E L P H I A
H
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L
A
D
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L
P
H
I
A
>>5976987
please repost the unsee
>>5976995
Hm?
>>5976987
>necklace
>tatoos
>hair
I wanna fug this anon
>>5976985
prequel is kind of cute so far
>>5976989
trump will make anime real
>>5976997
a/s/l
>>5976886
This.
How the hell am I supposed to deal with the fact that the rest of my life is already decided? No matter how many hormoens I pump myself full off it won't fix my massive shoulders, rib cage, or manface. No matter how hard I train my voice I'm still going to sound like a 13 year old boy at best. All I'm ever going to do is look like some half-female half-male hon freak that no one wants to look at. How can I get a job like that? How can I do anything other than wallow is misery for a few more years before I probably kill myself? And what's my other option? Just don't transition and end up killing myself from dysphoria anyways?
And even in some best case scenario where I somehow pass that's still so much time and money spent on hormones, surgeries, clothes, makeup, training, etc just so that I can maybe have my life like 70% as good as someone who was just born cis.
I mean I'm lucky enough to have somewhat rich and very supportive parents but I'd still feel bad making them waste so much money on their mentally ill neet child who will probably just kill themselves at some point even after all that shit anyway. If only I didn't fall for the "puberty will fix me" meme I could've transitioned at like 12 years old and been cis-tier.
I'm only 18 too I shouldn't be hon tier at this point but puberty just completely ruined me. Seriously this trans shit is one of the worst things I can imagine being inflicted on someone short of straight up unit 731-tier torture. At least if I just had cancer or something I could die with no guilt.
I don't mean to go all histrionic because usually I'm not like this at all but holy shit the futility of this whole thing really hit me hard recently. I'm not even on hrt yet and I'm already this worried. My next therapy appointment is Friday so hopefully that can help me a bit, but fuck. Do these feelings ever get better or am I just screwed?
Thanks for reading my blog I guess.
>>5976980
I guess I'll have to move on to impressionist paintings!
Is this a pic of Yume or Sheen?
>>5976976
I never had my titty sucked
anyone care to describe how it feels? my nipples are so fucking sensitive I think they can pick up radio waves
>>5976989
Well and here I thought Isis would have some taste...
>>5976983
>tfw no boobs
unsee.cc(slash)zisebona
my tits look dreadful from the front or side, but from my waist up they look big.
I hate my genetics.
I'm starting progesterone soon though...
>>5977009
>ywn suck on kaylas nipples and turn her into a transbian
>>5976987
>nintendo seal of quality
I won't say who you are but I remember you from an ama /b/ like a year and half ago and somewhat recently
you look fine in both
>>5977016
You can freely say who I am if you know. I really don't give a shit.
>>5977020
wtf, these look like my sisters boobs
>>5977020
you know we can see your arm in the pic pushing them up right?
>>5977022
oh kk
>>5977028
Yep. I'd say it myself. I mean who cares? It's 4chan.
>>5977012
I've been on hormones for more than three years
>>5976941
>all the girls in my family are busty (like high end C to D)
>I'm starting hrt young-ish at 18
I'll get good tits, right girls?
>>5977026
thats still a lot of boob
>>5977011
Trip on me
>>5977005
Too bad you didnt start this post with "I'm only 18" So I could have stopped reading there.
>>5977034
most likely.
My immediate families has like As and Ive Bs and I am underweight. its weird
>>5977001
yay!! Katia is my waifu
fair warning though, it gets really depressing
>>5977020
those are so fake
S A L I N E
S
A
L
I
N
E
>>5976859
Aw yeah this is my jam.
>>5977020
pls no faye ;~~; i feel jealous now and sad
>>5977013
eyo bby girl my skype is sloppy.ninja, hmu.
>>5977038
I know people like to talk about age but I really don't think starting at 18 is much of a boon if I still have massive shoulders and ribcage and a masculine face with a square jaw. At least ffs, makeup, and hairstyling can help to fix or conceal my face but I don't know what the fuck I can do about my shoulders or ribs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bO5h71TlMU
It's very very strange that a single general did more to help me find happiness and hope where anti depressants and years of repressive gym failed
For the first time in ten years. I feel alive.
>>5977052
Shoulders are a meme, ribcage is mostly a meme, strong jaw is usually a meme.
Look at runway models, dammit.
Are you even on hrt at all? Because it does round facial traits
>all these boobs
>my mom has bs
>i just have puffy nipples
This place is fucking torture to be in sometimes I think I'm gonna go nap away my anxiety and dysphoria.
>>5976905
<3
I love you too anon
>>5976917
Anon trust me I used to really be so alone and worry I'd never make friends or be loved but I think things are finally starting to improve for me. I know they will for you too. Someone is going to love you. There's something worth loving in everyone.
Oh well... at least I have a boyfriend... Suppose I shouldn't worry about my tits so much. They fill B cups. Should be happy with that.
>>5977062
>They fill B cups
whats your bandsize?
>>5977052
>I dont think starting younger is a boon
Fuck off.
>>5977059
>tfw no breasts at all
>>5977057
None of these are memes
They are all reasons I don't pass, especially shoulders and strong jaw. I never should have went full time before some major ffs
>>5976971
what are you, agp
>>5977062
Were you that girl that was smoking pot a week ago on cam?
>>5976987
Hi ALICE
>>5977076
#degenerate
>>5977057
>Are you even on hrt at all? Because it does round facial traits
Not yet, I only came out and started going to therapy last month but hopefully I can start soon.
>>5977067
I'm not saying starting young doesn't help, I'm just saying I'm one of those outliers who probably won't pass even though I'm starting young.
>>5977068
you just need to cut yo balls off senpai
>>5977026
Are you autistic? The point of the picture is that I'm playing with them, Jesus Christ anon just enjoy it
>>5976984
You decided to be a mean girl, that's all that really happened, I guess you'll have to find cis people in Portland to hang out with now
>>5976911
Same
>>5976934
I'll take it
>>5976948
Me and Adri hung out
She tried to kiss me when I had a gf and I turned away because she didn't ask and I got startled
She started to date yume gem
I heard about the Portland meetup, but then it felt like she was excluding me and being really mean, I cry a lot
Yume invites me anyway
I go to Portland meetup and meet Edie
I have the biggest crush of my life, my heart literally can't handle how awesome she is
Adri breaks up with yume/gem
I kiss gem and yume goodbye and thank them for inviting me
Adri is perma mean to me after hearing about it
>>5977072
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fndeDfaWCg
>>5977072
>Strong jaw
The fashion industry favors women with strong jaws. They're generally considered attractive in the places that actually define the cultural standards of beauty.
So yes, weeb memes from people who think models look like moeshit rather than underfed amazons.
>>5977084
o yea yume is a boy sry i forgot
QT ANON BETTER ADD ME ON SKYPE I S2G
>tfw no breasts
>tfw look gross
>tfw small butt
;~~;
>>5977088
no bulli ;~~;
>>5977086
>Not yet
That explains everything.
>tfw you'll never know what trip it was that was anon in the last thread
Goddamnit.
>>5977105
>>5977059
literally same ;~;
summer is gonna suck because i wont be able to wear like anything i want
>>5977105
please stop.
>>5977118
I'm still here, I'm just being shy about adding you.
>>5977097
Pics or it didn't happen. Here. I'll post my face too.
Ignore my bedhair. I have been in the hospital all day D:
>tfw agp and drunk out at a bar
>i am giving myself beer goggles for myself
>tfw raging erection in the ladies room stall
time to jerk off before my date gets here
>>5977127
I feel like I know you, you're a cute
>>5977127
>I have been in the hospital all day
whyfor?
>>5977123
Some summer dresses look really cute even if you're basically a board. Combined with a small bra for the look and it looks generally okay.
>>5977127
Try getting black rimmed glasses, you'll look better in it.
>>5977105
Looks like someone shouldent have transitioned before using their male hormones for one final flash of masculinity to lose weight and be skinny as fuark when starting hrt
At least the little guys get one last run before Estrogen blitzkreigs them
>tfw even if i get boobs they will be misshapen and have scars on them from a previous unrelated surgery
go ahead and fuck my life up
I mean, I've been posting on /mtfg/ for literally years. So maybe?
>>5977137
Kidney stone.
>>5977127
im not gonna post pics, but yea your hair looks exactly like mine too, same length and color and everything
although our faces are kinda different
if we went out in public together people still might accuse us of being twins though
>>5977138
Can confirm
I looked okish in sundresses last summer and had next to no tits at the time
>>5977140
>tfw you lost 100 pounds on e
>>5977127
Does every one of you have a nose piercing? Is it mandatory to be trans? Does it cause trans?
>>5977090
>playing the victim even though you're the one who keeps throwing out the insults and spinning the story to fit your narrative
Yeah Adri is the mean one alright.
>>5977147
oh so you're the one with the doctor who thought you were on your period
>>5977118
Stop preying on trans girls feelings desu
>>5977139
Appreciate the thought. I like my blue frames though. Literally got asked if I'm on my period today in the hospital so I'm not too concerned about passing at the moment. (let me have this pls...)
>>5977138
>wearing a sundress
p-please
I couldnt handle going outside in a dress, Id look awful
>>5976966
okay let me fix this for you
faye and adri meet like months prior to me even knowing who adri is or really ever talking to faye
stuff happens, conflicting stories, not gonna take sides
later
adri ali and i meet up we hit off
eventually adri says she wants to be mono not sure if i can really do that but say ill try it but no hard feelings if it dont work out v mature about it, i only agree to it despite my gut telling me no 100x cus i was a bit delusional and really REALLY wanted a dom and was pretty head over heels for her and wanted to make it work
la de da meet up happens everything is fine adri is dealing with personal stuff decides to leave mtfg a day or two later i realise i cant really deal with the whole monogamous thing for the sole reason that adri isnt a full time dom and i wouldn't want to force her to do something, and i love her too much to just keep it going for her sake because in the end that never works out, so i decided to tell her how i felt, express my concerns and see where we could go from there. we both said what we wanted and were and weren't willing to move on and came to the conclusion that a relationship wouldn't work in the end and that the mature thing to do would be to end the relationship and keep being friends, which is what happened
also i kissed faye goodbye the day she left, but this was already after i had broken up with adri
thats my unbiased account of the events
>>5977140
Lol.
I like imagining my make hormones as people
Hrt will be fun
>>5977127
Arrison a cute! Cute!
>>5977118
ay just watched that episode a few days ago.
Friends are my only true friends
>>5977152
I dont
I am not cattle senpai
>>5976962
im not wearing a padded bra, ive posted pics wearing them before, but in that pic im actually not wearing one
>>5976968
thanks dawg
>>5976976
do it carty
>>5977020
M I L K
>>5977160
That is pretty unbiased surprisingly. Seems like Faye just likes to keep the drama going like others have said.
>>5977166
Thank you for your participation in this scientific endeavor.
>>5977127
>tfw no Arrison-Chan gf
>>5977172
b o b s
>>5977151
I feel it's a safer bet to start from a safe starting zone.
I feel Estrogen would ruin my displine to diet correctly and stay dedicated.
>>5976962
me wearing a padded bra is the same size as her normal boobs if not smaller ;~;
>>5977172
>>5977125
It's okay.
>>5977136
I'm not even an oldfag on mtfg and I remember Alice
>>5977170
I don't actually watch friends. It was funny though.
>>5977171
are you sure
POST WHAT YOU ARE BLASTING RN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBSYwQFmh5A
>>5977159
I thought I'd look awful too. All I got was catcalling.
Which admittedly got old really fast.
>>5977140
probably
I should have just killed myself
even last week I should have
there's no hope for me
I'm a monster
>>5977186
yes.
I am a duck
ducks arent cattle
>>5977151
>start hrt while depressed
>gain a ton of weight
>lose it all while still on hrt
aint that hard
>>5977172
the plasters make it sexier
Am I cute? How do I act cute?
>>5977173
We literally said the same thing though, adriana is the one making up stuff and acting like I pissed in her Cheerios, all I did was cute post some fake yuri stuff about wanting to kiss her to tease her a bit
>>5977178
y-yay
please tell me this is all going to happen, I got really hyped last time too because ive always kinda looked up to edie
>tfw you're too old now and you missed out on the chance to be a trap.
Why continue to live?
>>5977200
be a woman instead
>>5977197
just watch lots of anime gurls and act like them
>>5977176
I'm into boys, sorry D:
I'd totally drink with you though for what that's worth.
>>5977198
good job proving the point of the person you were replying to fayla
>>5977185
Oh she looks different now, I knew her when she was dating my friend Eevee and that was like when I first started hrt.
>>5977189
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbczr7r6e98
I was doing that thing where I personify hormones and the male hormones get defeated by female hormones
>>5977189
A middle school
>>5977189
https://youtu.be/wIEUnBYPtFM
>>5977200
Don't let your dreams be dreams
>>5977189
kayla
your boyfriend awaits
>>5977200
If you overdose on HRT you'll start aging in reverse, worked for me
>>5977205
i remember you as a transbian, guess the estrogen finally hit you
>>5977189
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG_0VX2IrNc desu
>>5977209
hhhehehe
>>5977189
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CN4cxoAE_l8
>>5977204
Trump is an unconservative, fascistic nutball. Cruz/Ryan 2016
>>5977199
We talked about it literally 3 times, but we just got our schedules all off track, we want to be nice to you and do bunches of stuff when she gets to Portland!
>>5977211
Disgusting and fantastic at the same time, like some kind of midget porn.
>>5977202
>>5977210
>>5977213
Thank you. I now have a new purpose and will not give up. Hopefully one day a chaser will take me as his own.
>>5977214
Oh yeah, got hit by Uflufu hard. Have had a boyfriend for a good year now.
>>5977189
https://my.mixtape.moe/qbhxix.webm
Weebum related
>>5977189
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHu8PMR_t8Q
>>5977204
The first few times it feels kind of okay.
Then it gets to drunk fratbros who are basically shouting at you how much they'd tap you and it starts feeling creepy and making you want to run away.
>>5977228
that sounds adroable :3
I am happy for you!
>>5977173
ye i mean thats as unbiased as i can get. i was having real REAL bad issues for a week or two prior about the whole thing and breaking up had been on my mind for awhile, but im not the kind of person to break up without talking things out and laying EVERYTHING on the table first and seeing what we can do. so i sat down with her and thats what ended up happening yo. it was extremely mature, sensible, dramafree. from the start her and i basically both were like "we'll see how this works out and whatever happens, happens, no hard feelings".
lot of people here like to project their high school level relationship experience on other people and assume a bunch of drama and backstabbing and shit, but that simply didn't happen. adri and i are both very mature people who both know what we want and are very goal oriented, we didn't line up in ways ther we weren't willing to budge on so continuing the relationship would just hurt more in the end
just because i act like a spastic retard on here doesn't mean i actually am. remember >>5976867
>>5977197
ur pretty cute
sit on mommy's lap and let her red pill u on the jews
>>5977189
Holla Jesu Christe
>>5977202
It was nice trapping for a few years when I was young though.
>>5977208
>not Trump Effect
>>5977189
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNylxQTou0Y
>>5977189
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7dg8vRDM68
Feels so good
because it does,
it feels so good.
>>5977229
you seem to like anime girls a lot for someone who claims to not be trans
>>5977235
thats racist tho
>>5977241
You do know anime caters primarily to heterosexual young men, just because you project as the girls doesn't mean everyone else does.
>>5977100
I mean there's strong jaws, which look nice, and stronk jaws which hons like me have.
>>5977189
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vZupaNYgDA
>>5977244
not to young heterosexual men, but to young japanese men and women.
what would your viking ancestors said of you watching something because it is "cute"
>>5977221
Cruz is a Canook
Wisconsin results incoming... Trump to lose :^)
>>5977244
But doesn't everyone want to be a qt anime gril?
>>5977197
you're already cute!
you're doing it!
you're doing it!
>>5977239
my friend had this album framed and signed by chuck mangione. chuck wrote on it "Keep on honkin!"
keep on honkin mtfg.
>>5977255
>Cruz is a Canook
Just like your butt when im done with it :3
>>5977255
With natural born American parents, ergo he is a natural citizen.
>>5977256
A FUCKING BRITBONG
>>5977253
dude s*e watches it for the story
>>5977233
Thanks, Phienchen! I do love him quite a lot. He's my best friend. Seriously though, fucking boys? Man did I not see *that* one coming... (no pun intended)
Thanks for all those pics, nice doing business with you again. Of course I'm talking about the anime pics and funny pics.
>>5977253
>young japanese men and women
The stuff that's made for girls is either yaoi, psychological horror stuff or meant for underage girls.
sup /mtfg/, how are you doing? I'm tired as fuck and might go to sleep soon.
>>5977221
Are you fucking serious with this post? Are you retarded? What is your mental illness you fucking britfag? Cruz is 1000% worse than Trump in every way and he'd shoot you dead without a second thought you dumbass tranny.
>>5977270
You know.. I've found myself quite intersted in yaoi lately.
#transitioncomplete?
>>5976907
>Alice
You look like a tranny too
>>5977259
Id rather be the dude with the harem and all the bitches clinging on him.
>>5977278
So basically anime then.
>>5977278
>tfw not a harem girl
>>5977280
>the filter reacitivates
Mind your own countries politics that no one else in the world cares about.
>>5977280
honestly, regardless of your opinions of trump, cruz is a religious extremist more than anything. hes probably the most crazy republican candidate
>>5977280
>>5977278
So did I once.
But then I found my true self.
>>5977260
Lmao no otherkin here just honkin... That's actually pretty good
>>5977283
This. Theres no way I'd ever vote for Trump but God help us if Cruz gets the nomination.
>>5977260
Aw that's wicked
>>5977268
this happened to me as well.
I went from 100% straight (as a boy) to 100% straight as a girl (or as pretending to be one)
so weird
>>5977189
http://youtu.be/jt5tRaV3iY0
>>5977255
>tfw magaman will maga
>>5977283
they both suck, cruz is an evangelical and trump will pander to them even if he doesnt believe in their stuff.
>>5977284
this is terrifying
>>5977292
I'm happy this is going to happen to me
