How many of you MTF people originally eroticized the idea of yourself being a woman?
Be honest.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanchard's_transsexualism_typology#Autogynephilia_and_autoandrophilia
>>5481913
Wow what a new and unknown concept on this board!
>>5481923
be honest
>>5481913
the reason you get aroused by cross dressing is because you finally feel more like your self; some one who is comfortable having sex. this goes away quickly if you do it often or in public.
like as a MtF, if you have sex with a woman in boy mode it fucking sucks, your dick dosn't work, and it's super hard to cum. But when you're in girl mode you can actually enjoy it.
>>5481934
this seems kind of like rationalizing bullshit
"more like yourself" is a fuzzy term
I just get turned on imagining myself as a woman (and I remain attracted to them)
>>5481930
I started at like 11 downloading female transformation hypnosis videos, and I wasn't sexual at that age so i guess I didn't eroticize it? To be honest, his theory is out dated and even then, he believed AGP scum should transition.
I explained how I may or may not be AGP, can you explain why everyone seems to latch onto this weird little quirk in LGBT history?
>>5481913
>tfw people answered what he wanted to hear because he was the only way to get HRT in Ontario for 20 years.
>>5481961
>he believed AGP scum should transition.
He also believed that "homosexual transsexuals" were just men who were so gay that they wanted to be women so they could fuck straight men. The whole typology is pants on head retarded
>>5481913
Daily reminder that AGP's are more trutrans than "homosexual transsexuals" who after all only transition so they can fuck straight guys.
I thought being a transsexual was hot.
Spoiler: it is
>>5482095
AGP master race
>>5481934
Another armchair theory. Nope, I can and still do get super hard while having sex as a "male". I could just as easily say that the clothing loses its eroticism because you're desensitizing yourself to the fetish and you now require even more to become sexually satisfied. OP asked if there was an erotic component to my transexualism, to which I say YES, there was.
The fetish is rooted deeply in emasculation, even if you don't recognize it as emasculation at first. This is the cold hard truth. It doesn't become the "love of oneself as a woman" unless the fetishist believes that his fantasies are indeed rooted in some "inner feminity". This is why many trans-folks like myself started with "forced feminization" fantasies, transformation fantasies, sissy fantasies and cuckold fantasies(which are a close brother to sissy stuff). This is why the fetishist is not truly attracted to men. What you're actually attracted to is the THOUGHT of being attracted to men and the act of having sex with a man as a female, this all represents extreme emasculation. Many emasculation fantasies will take on a life of their own if left unchecked. Call me crazy, whatever but this is how it is and I'm damn sure of it.
>>5482360
>This is why the fetishist is not truly attracted to men. What you're actually attracted to is the THOUGHT of being attracted to men and the act of having sex with a man
>>5482369
What? Bottoming for a man is fucking emasculating. What's more emasculating than a so-called straight man being unable to suppress his desire to ride a big cock while kissing a man? Wearing female clothes and having breasts are just another step to the fantasies. Also, Ix'm not one of those people who maintain the fact that I'm "straight", I've had sex with plenty of men, but I do recognize that the men are just props in my fantasies. Male faces, bodies and voices all do nothing for me, in fact I prefer the man to NOT be good looking at all.
>>5482360
wxhluyp pls
>>5482388
Interesting. This is gow I've felt for a long time. It is because of this that I call myself another breed of faggot.
>>5482422
Sure, the emasculation fetishist is more than likely going to be a shy, introverted boy and very keen on pleasing others. Also, I never said women themselves don't get off on emasculation, but many women do not. Hyper-feminine clothes are emasculating why? Why are tutus and frilly dresses used so often in the fantasies of Mtf's? The "outlet" thing is a very weak argument and I'd argue that it's VERY important for someone to recognize what their fantasies actually mean before they travel further down the rabbit hole.
>>5482360
tfw this is me, I wish I realized earlier to repel this but now I've built a tranny identity so into the trans it goes
>>5482477
You might not be as attached to that identity as you think. I'd try some anti-androgens for a short period of time to see if this is a true fact.
>>5482503
ive been on hrt for 2 years so yeah...
>>5482360
I don't get how emasculation makes someone feel feminine, it just seems gross to me. Do people confuse being less of a man with being more of a woman?
>>5482442
>Hyper-feminine clothes are emasculating why?
because they represent submissiveness
>Why are tutus and frilly dresses used so often in the fantasies of Mtf's?
I see that as some sort of immature attempt at femininity, almost like a child but you know, with all the sex drive to make it arousing, later on (depending on the person and when they started making these attempts in real life) they become more subtle or refined.
>I'd argue that it's VERY important for someone to recognize what their fantasies actually mean before they travel further down the rabbit hole.
of course self reflection is important but I don't think it can't stop the dysphoria that agp or the emasculation fetish or however you wanna call it creates...
>>5482477
How would you repel it?
>>5482516
pretty much yeah, or I would say being feminine is emasculating
>>5482526
Ah, I see, it works in the other direction, that makes sense.
>>5482442
>How would you repel it?
I'm not sure but something along the lines of just realizing what it actually is, an emasculation fantasy, and it's not that I have a girl brain or something like that.
>>5482592
I don't think rationalization works with this sort of stuff
>>5482592
What recognization of the fetish did for me was help me to realize that I wasn't "faking" my persona at all for those 25 years of my life. The fetish can affect a "masculine" male but it seems to affect shy, geeky, introverted boys even more.
>>5482734
Are you on HRT?
>>5482516
Tragically, yes. s'why you see so much miso bullshit in sissy/forcedfem porn. Not all, obviously, but certainly the most vocal of them see women as lesser and consider acting like them degrading, and get off on it.
>>5482742
Yeah, I've been on HRT for about 13 years now. Lots of self reflection.
>>5482388
You're a fucking moron
>I'm not attracted to men, I just have a men fetish
>>5482755
You might not understand how it is to be attracted to the thought of being attracted to men even if you are not actually attracted to men, but I can assure you this is a real thing.
Also what I think has happened to me is that I've learned to "shortcut" this feeling every time which effectively leads me to be attracted to men.
>>5481913
you know, i do fit in to most of this, but..
i only go for guys, built ones, and i love relationships with them. it's not some emasculation fetish, it's a real romantic interest in men.
i used to crossdress and it would get me aroused like nothing else. i have no idea why. score one for blanchard.
i started hrt and it was just a huge change. i'm perpetually in a better mood, i'm more confident. i didn't dream vididly until i started hrt. i'm never getting off estrogen voluntarily.
i experience things like widening hips and shedding muscle, and it makes me so happy. i don't know anything about the arousal but i know that i'm trans. i was an introverted nerd before, who didn't care about his looks and didn't enjoy socializing. now i'm a lot more extroverted, happy, and confident.
>>5481913
It was coutnless times. It just sounds fun, mainly the female wardrobe. It'd be so fun to wear red lipstick and red nails, on feet too, wear leggings, skirts, open toed high heels, cute shirts, it would just he so fun. Yes the periods would be a fucking pain, but idont know what to say there. But being a girl...i'd really reallyREALLY wanna try that for at least 1 day. I want to be semi-attractive. No sex-bomb and no ugly 200kg+ feminist. A regular, some fat, would totally wear glasses and high heels at every possible occasion.
>>5482403
omg. I thought I was the only one who recognized who this dumbass is.
wxhlyup go back to reddit you disgusting closet faggot.
>>5482526
sounds pretty misogynist to me tbhon
I got all y'all beat. I'm MtF but 9/10 when I'm fapping I self-insert as the guy in the porn.
I'm the least AGP of them all, y'all could never be as trutrans as me.
>>5482921
>tru-tans
>self-inserting as the guy
>>5482943
YOU MISSED THE JOKEEEEEE
>>5482943
>implying you can't be a mtf trutrans with AAP
>>5482955
I'm mtf and I'm kind of this. I'm weakly gynephilic (vaginas are gross, the feminine body is alright). I think straight men are just 'meh' and fantasize about being fucked by gay men who call me a boy and tell me ill never be a real woman. The thought of the interaction being homosexual is specifically a big turn on. I sometimes also fantasize about doing the same with another mtf and misgendering one another while we make kawaii yaois together.
>>5482916
I'm not wxhlyup, but I'm sure you wouldn't believe me because I share his views very much on the etiology of the fetish. Of course, I'm not closeted and I'm very much a visible trans-woman, have been for 13 years now. I just don't like to forget my roots of faggotry.
>>5483109
You believe in the ramblings of a basement dwelling closet case who dresses up his repressed bisexual desires in the clothing of academic word salad. Unfortunately, wxhlyup isn't even a researcher or authority of any kind and fails to meet even the low standards set by the CAMH groupies for crackpot theories about trans people. There is no peer reviewed evidence for 'MEF' and there will never be as long as it continues to be an idea peddled solely by closet cases who live on the internet.
>>5483167
Not her, but that's just ad hominem, doesn't matter who wxhluyp is or whatever, it's just that his theory explains me and my life better than anything or anybody ever has.
I am of course open to even better explanations but thanks to people like you I doubt I'll ever see them.
take any cis girl
make her dress as a man
bind her breasts
give her a fake beard
is it more or less easy for her to climax?
take all that shit off her
then how easily does she climax
>>5483218
Come on now. This is just terrible logic because we are not cis girls. Many men with this fetish live comfortably in the male identity UNTIL they discover that they have the fetish and delve deeply into it. Also, there is huge distinction to be made between masochistic fantasies and "normal" female fantasies.
>>5481913
When I was 13 and saw tentacle porn and thought "seeing stuff like this, I bet everyone wishes they were japanese schoolgirls" (I realised it wasn't normal when I was 14).
And when I was 15 and crossdressed for the first time, I masturbated because the panties felt way too soft.
Other than that I don't think I eroticized it so much, but even if I did, I don't think it matters anymore. Now that I've transitioned, I don't have to feel fucking awful about the same thing over and over again. Now, I just have to deal with social anxiety, a non-verbal IQ that is so fucking high it's simply lonely and makes everything boring, and relationship hell that doesn't even have anything to do with the fact I'm trans.
>>5483506
You are legit retarded if your life orbits around a fetish.
>>5483621
Says the pedo who spends every second of every day trolling other straight pedos pretending to be trannies on 4chan.
>>5483621
maybe it's not a fetish
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>>5483639
>>5481961
>I started at like 11 downloading female transformation hypnosis videos
What if all mtf transsexuals were just normal guys who got brainwashed by sissy cocksuck hypnosis videos?
>>5483676
probably not all, and its broader than "sissy cock sucking hypnos" but I do believe that there is a lot more of these cases than most would think, especially in late onset cases
>>5483676
SHIT HES FIGURED OUT THE GAY AGENDA!!! CALL IN THE VAN AND BLACK HELICOPTERS
>>5484048
just take titty skittles already
>>5483676
I thinn it's a mistake to believe that transexual-leaning men are anymore feminine than any other guy. If you posess the ability to be greatly turned on by emasculitory fantasies, sissification and crossdressing will also likely turn you on greatly, as it's pretty much the last step to total loss of your manhood.
>>5484053
Did you not read? I've been on skittles for 13 years. I'm just trying to redpill people, sorry.
>>5484074
>Has been voluntarily ingesting female hormones for 13 years
>Redpill
Anonette...
>>5484090
I mean it is the reality of it all. The fetish is extreme and based upon extreme forms of emasculation. I never said you shouldn't take hormones for it all or that I didn't experience any amount of dysphoria.
>>5481961
>can you explain why everyone seems to latch onto this weird little quirk in LGBT history?
not that person, but for me, it's because it's the only term that actually describes me. I'm not
>a woman trapped in a man's body
>female [you shitlords]
>a crossdresser
>>5484227
are you post-op?
>>5484237
Naw, never got into the whole "man's fuckhole" part of it all. My ass is good enough for me to please men.
>>5484331
lucky ://
>>5484384
I don't know if I'd call myself lucky, although it's hard to relate to those that are dysphoric about their genitals . I found it much more emasculating to have an erection while riding a giant cock. I guess it's entirely down to what the person finds erotic and how they relate themselves to it.
>>5484048
sound like a faggot desu
>>5484426
im pretty sure most guys find a transgirl with a dick more appealing than one with a frankenvag
>>5484446
It makes it a lot easier to have a sex life, yes, but men just don't do it for me looks wise and never really have. Making out with a man for me is pretty disgusting and I prefer my sexual partners to not be conventionally attractive. Women turn me on looks wise, sure, I'd love to be with them but I know that nobody in the world can get me off as much as that invisible man I see in my head fucking me.
You don't really believe all trans people are just fetishists do you AGP anon?
That seems like a hell of a lot of projecting to me.
>>5484501
>that invisible man I see in my head fucking me
God?
>>5484514
It very much explains me as well, lol.
>>5484565
me third, and probably explains many more of the mtfs than they'd like to admit, I mean I can only admit this anonymously too
>>5484616
At least its less gross than the agp explanation. Ill take being an emasculated fag over being compared to a pedophile.
>>5484616
As someone who this doesn't apply to, the implication that mtfs are lying about their experiences is very annoying
>>5484514
>>5484565
>>5484616
How much of a taboo do you perceive the fetish to be? I used to be into all the sissy and humilliaton stuff when I was a teenager (altought I had some tamer fantasies of the same kind when I was like 4 or 5) and they faded away when I stopped feeling ashamed of them, I'm still submissive (and I have gender dysphoria) but I don't like that sort of stuff anymore, sometimes I go to /gif/ and watch the sissy hypnos to see if the arousal comes back but they're really not that appealing anymore, I prefer to watch lesbian porn when one of the girls is much more dominant than the other (not BDSM stuff though), I think is similar of what I explained in this post >>5482524 when you found an outlet to your submissiveness but in a more raw or dull manner (like the sissy videos) because if you try to block it or see it as prohibited then its just going to come out in those raw ways.
Also I would like to know how many of you would consider to be more sensitive or emotional than the average male, is not necessary that you like poetry or anything like that lol, maybe things like having more empathy, liking hugs or stuff like that, you know what I mean.
My problem with wxhlyup is that his theory seems to have too much of a cultural bias,(just look at the term itself "emasculation") I'm trying to look at things in a more primal way so I use the dominant/submissive dichotomy but I'm just guessing as the rest of the anons here.
>>5484757
True. At least this way I'm still some sort of a faggot. Never really bought into the whole trans stuff desu. I know what I used to get off to before transitioning.
>>5481913
Tbh the idea of having sex as a woman turns me on, but that came after y'know, wanting to be one in the first place.
Do women who allow men to penetrate them see themselves as "degraded"? Or is "true" femininity the act of taking pleasure from pleasing your partner?
No doubt a lot of women have degrading fantasies, but does degradation= feminine? I know that I feel degraded in every single fantasy I have that involves men.
>>5481913
Literally never.
