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Rare Dugan Edition
Old thread here >>29885059
>>29897153
shit thread already....
>>29897153
In fuckers.
>>29897153
What optic is that?
>>29897184
How do I get to that place?
>>29897184
Hey CZ, it's lava fields guy from a couple night ago. Didn't go to the lava tubes but I got some good pictures for you here in a sec
>>29897153
Always on the lookout for more Dugans.
>>29897222
Euklutna Lake, it's about a half an hour drive North of Anchorage.
>>29897260
Neat, can't wait.
>>29897388
>>29897388
bout to sit down for dinner, but here's a good one
Here's my newest addition! How'd I do? Am I cool yet?
Next I'll have to get my federal buttsexing stamp and a krink muzzle. Any advice for taking this round monstrosity off the barrel?
>>29897429
Pictures from my phone seem to post sideways no matter what, even if I put them on my PC. first
sup /akg/. new yorker here. we have this awful thing called the safe act, but i am currently in the market to build a compliant AK. I was wondering where i could find a 16in barrel thats muzzle hasn't been threaded. i appreciate your help.
>>29897513
Heres the best advice you are gonna get: Dont taxstamp serbshit.
Want a krink? buy a fuckin krink kit, and use a kvar barrel.
>>29897513
>How'd I do?
Ok
>Am I cool yet?
Sure
>Any advice for taking this round monstrosity off the barrel?
Cut the weld carefully, and unscrew it
>>29897388
Imgur is the best way it seems, sorry m8
http://imgur.com/jkgySo3
>>29897539
Here's a FB sporter barrel, unthreaded.
CHF and chromelined.
http://armsofamerica.com/polishfbradombrandnew762x39coldhammerforgedbarrelbuyanyv-projectproductpartskitandorqty3andreceive1000offeachbarrel.aspx
>>29897677
Nice to see some father-son bonding, he looks like he'll grow up to be a fine young man.
>>29897702
I uh... that's me bro
>>29897540
I don't quite have access to the tools to do so, let alone the knowledge. In all honesty, I have little desire to have a 5.45 gun due to the fact that ammo is scarce in my area and also personal indifference. As cool as 74's are.
What's wrong with the Serbian sonofabitch?
>>29897548
What do you recommend for covering up the exposed metal? Bluing pen, dab of spray paint, pooper sharpie?
>>29897927
I use a matte birchwood casey paint pen for little things like that.
>>29897699
Thanks a lot anon!
>>29897429
Nice! Sorry, I got distracted with something else other than /k/.
>>29897153
Where's the cheapest place to get a complete set of AK furniture (handguard, grip, stock)
>>29898229
apex gun parts
had 39 dollar romanian military wood sets last week
>>29898326
Are there any decent priced bakelite bundles?
>>29898381
unless you buy from russian anon, i dont think its possible they are 35-50 each on usa market
>>29897197
Pk1 ok Pk ai believe
Had a romanian wasr10 for 500 a month or two ago that I passed on.
Wasn't really interested in Ak but now I'm seeing those go for 100 higher on gunbroker
It worth to try and track the guy down and blow 500? I was turned off by the deal since he was literally named Bubba and knew nothing about it, someone used it as collateral for a car deal.
>>29898573
worth a shot famfam
Here, have another
Bump
>>29853641
>WASR is magdump proof
this has been proven wrong, unfortunately. Rapid dumping fucks the barrel in a short time.
>>29899764
Don't make us link the thread, Eric.
>>29899764
>Responding to a post from 4 days and 2 threads ago.
Really faggot?
That's some serious autism.
>Proven wrong
By whom?
>>29897916
>What's wrong with the Serbian sonofabitch?
Literally nothing, he's being a salty faggot. Last thread he claimed that Zastava doesn't cold-hammer forge their barrels, for instance, which they definitely do. Disregard.
Serbshit (M92) or Gypsyshit (Draco) are the two cheapest ways to into krinks, and both are fine guns. Much like with the M70 vs the WASR (also Serbshit and Gypsyshit, respectively), your choice is between beefier build overall and chromed barrel and standardized furniture.
Literally nothing wrong with M92s.
>>29897927
What exposed metal?
Literally you're exposing the muzzle device threads. You're gonna need a muzzle detent pin and the muzzle device of your choice but if you don't fuck up grinding the weld off there's nothing to cover up.
>>29897521
Rotate them in the picture editor. Then they'll be fine.
What are the options to mount a rail on the rear sight leaf of an AKS74U?
I see many pics of it but can t see to find who does them...
>>29900564
That's zenitco, I think stormworks makes one too
>>29900598
Indeed but I can t see to find it in any of the classic zenitco int. Resselers (i m europoor). The stormworks one apparently implies drilling into the gun...
>>29897539
Vote republican or move to a non-communist state
1120rnds no bubbles
>>29900865
But how many times have you magdumped 90 rounds back-to-back?
what do you fags think about .223 AKs?
Especially the Saiga 223?
>>29900891
Only dumped 90 (2) different time. Once today, once when I first got the rifle. Zero malfunctions.
>>29900969
whats your date of manufacture? I've seen a 104 with an AB54 code bubble.
>>29897539
you could probably just weld a muzzle nut on
>>29901035
It's a ab54 and I haven't really babied it much, it's my hiking/ work rifle
>>29900935
pointless considering ARs do everything better in that caliber while being cheaper.
>>29901090
mkay thanks. I guess this bubbling shit is luck of the draw with your luck getting worse the newer the rifle.
>>29901100
what if thats the only cartidge you can get an ak in where you live?
>>29901109
I was honestly sad it didn't bubble I wanted to paint my rifle tan but I won't unless the finish is already fucked
>>29901173
What mount ? And handguard?
>>29901165
acceptable then. you that krautfag that's been wanting a 5.45 rifle?
AC series 2014 production.
several mag dumps using both 30- and 45-round magazines. current round count ~3.5k.
no bubblies or melted barrel.
>>29901168
get it cerakoted. trust me. so much better than rattlecan.
>>29901281
thanks for the info.
>>29901281
>Day 116: the tula plum mags still do not realize that i am an izhmash
>>29901292
That Krebs safety worth it ?
>>29901292
plum looks so fucking nice, i usually dont like purple, but i fucking love plum furniture
>>29897153
Miss you Dugan
found out today why my mate's (2012) Saiga 12 wasn't cycling medium powered rounds that run perfectly fine in mine (2007)
left gas plug is his, right is mine
>>29901320
yeah, i like it.
the only reason i went for the bho notch is so i don't have to put a casing in the chamber during cold range.
go damnit, i wish i had my own shooting property.
>>29901335
what am I looking for?
>>29901356
shit, I have to drive an hour away to shoot my AKs unless I want to shell out the big bucks for non-bimetal ammo.
>>29901356
Move to az man. All I shoot is innadesert or forest. Ranges are for fatties
>>29901404
the cut away area of the right gasplug allows for more gas in the expansion chamber than the left one
when we put my gasplug into his gun it cycled all the previously non-cycling types of ammo
>>29901420
ha. I've been to Phoenix. no man should endure that kind of heat.
>>29901435
neat.
>>29901449
Ya it sucks but flagstaff, Prescott , is really nice all year around.
Phoenix has to many Mexicans who hate white people
>>29901477
I'm also a native so heat doesn't bother me at all lol
>>29901100
ak's are cheaper in europe
>>29901568
huh. wouldn't have thought that. how much is a WASR equivalent compared to a basic bitch AR?
>>29900891
while i dumped over 110, (full drum, full 30 mag and about 17) with my string auto test, no bubbling
i dont get this bubbling meme, rob had some shit done and now everybody has hopped on kübelwagen
>>29901602
saiga m3/mk series is around 700€ basic ar is around 1600€
My letters on my SLR-107FR are
KO
How old is it?
>>29901602
>waffenschumacher.com
>german shop
>Saiga 223 depending on the stock 700-900€
>all different Schmeisser AR15s in .223 are at about 2000€
>the Schmeisser ARs are really basic
i dont know how good or bad Schmeisser ARs are, but thats over 2x the price of the saigas on average. i didnt look anywhere else though
>>29901671
wow that is absurd.
>>29901709
well the schmeisser ARs are made in krautland so the price will be high by default. good looking rifles though/
>>29901710
>>29901730
Heckler & Koch MR223A3 - 16.5" 3045€
>>29901730
still insane. and on top of that i find AKs (at least 5.45 and 5.56) more esthetically pleasing than ARs
would love to be able to get a 5.45 but they are restricted by a useless law
>>29900935
Love her
>>29901760
beautiful
>>29901772
is that rumor than they can take AK74 mags for 5.56 without conversion true?
was just looking at this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GarFayzEqbo
any euros on here with Saiga shotguns ?
have a couple questions where to get parts
best place to buy 5.45 magazines?
>>29901800
afaik they'll do it but you can't load 30 into the mag because 5.56 isn't tapered like 5.45.
>>29901208
Handguard is from a Polish Beryl. Mount is some cheap chinese Amazon one that hasn't failed me yet.
>>29902183
Russia. (I can get you some)
>>29902372
how much a pop?
>>29900660
http://www.russian-thunder.com/#!product/prd14/3212822981/b-18-ironsight-rail-for-aks-74u
>>29902183
browse classifieds ar15.com and akfiles
![20131111_110047[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/GsqY6sY.jpg "20131111_110047[1].jpg")
Halal or Haram?
Kinda wanna put one on muh Yugo...
>>29902442
What mount?
>>29902442
I like mine.
Go with the krebs mount and stormwerkz hinge though.
Much better setup than the ACE counterparts.
>>29902480
Setup would probably be Krebs mounting block, Stormwerkz hinge, and CNCWarrior Triangle Stock.
>>29902546
absolutely halal
>>29899872
>Really faggot?
>That's some serious autism.
I wouldn't have given it a second thought if it weren't the last thing loaded on my 3DS' web browser
>>29902546
Do it. I'm interested in seeing what people think of the CNC triangle.
>my 9 year old Lancaster closed on a No-Go gauge
>has only maybe had 1100 rounds through it, tops
What the fuck do I do now?
>can buy AR, a proper modern rifle backed by ballistic science research of the planet's most powerful superpower
>buy a cheap ass gun for sand people who can't afford anything decent
AKfags logic
>>29902837
it used to be a cheap ass gun for drunken snowpeople though
>>29902799
Gunsmith or just get rid of it.
>>29902768
Can't find any hard numbers re: Manticore triangle weight but that's the thing everyone complains about with it. CNCW lists theirs as weighing .46lbs.
Dunno why nobody makes one out of stamped steel, but CNCW's is cheaper and looks to be better too.
what do you guys think about VEPRs vs Saigas?
Whats generally the better quality? Havent handled either yet
Is it bad that I want this in the worst way, but with a triangle folder
>>29902872
The Manticore weighs .93lbs or 15 ounces, so the CNC is half the weight.
Nice.
Not sure why nobody's made a stamped steel version either, but I'm sure there's some logic behind it; ie can't into stamping well enough for it to hold up to hard use.
>>29900598
Hey you the one with the train parts bizon?
>>29902994
Choo, choo yea
>>29902994
Is it sad how fast I replied?
Clear mag spotted
>>29903020
Post pictures guy
>>29902799
You have a field gauge?
It might still be ok, just on the edge of serviceability.
Here's a little copy paste
>Strip the receiver of the fire control group and try a live round with just the bolt and see if there is play front to rear when it is rotated into the closed position. Then repeat with the bolt in the carrier, move the bolt carrier back and forth (not enough to make to bolt rotate) and observe the bolt to see if it is moving back and forth.
>Closing on the no go (without force means that there is too much play and when the round fires the force will be transmitted into the trunnion with a hammer force instead of a smooth continuous pulse through the metal. It's a small movement but my opinion is that too much of it over a period of time will lead to problems. That being said it is not as dangerous as the bolt not closing on the go gauge.
>>29902385
Mail me.
[email protected]
>>29902982
Stamping dies are an investment that nobody really wants to make when it's only going to be sold in small numbers to a relatively niche community. Lots of companies already have CNC machines and can produce a much wider variety of products. They would have to buy/make the dies and the press, get their stampings figured out, then work out assembling the stampings with spot welders. Much easier to just CAD something up and press go on a machine you already own.
DDI is making a stamped steel folder though. It's not a drop in stock though, it's a replica of the real 4.5mm stuff, so it mounts to a regular folding trunnion. DDI may be the first company to make a 100% US made AK that isn't shit.
>>29903077
Here it is mocked up while I figured out the receiver length.
Hopefully I'll have a correct looking receiver soon and actual progress can be made.
I'm looking at putting a triangle folder on my 7.62x39 Saiga, but I don't know which pin would fit. (4.5mm vs 5.5mm)
Or does it not matter?
KUSA posted a video of their AK9 on bookface
>>29902390
>>29902390
Jesus that s expensive!
Thanks Zasta
>>29903199
>tfw I want to believe it won't be shit
>tfw I know it'll be shit
>>29903107
True, didn't think about the whole die thing.
>DDI may be the first company to make a 100% US made AK that isn't shit.
I'm cautiously optimistic about it.
They've got their Polish clone out, with their in house milled trunnions and furniture.
Looks nice, little spendy though.
>>29902881
well, the VEPRs have an RPKish receiver, thicker barrel and metal than the Saigas
cant say anything about the comparison between the two in terms of quality of finish or performance though, maybe someone else can help you out
>>29903149
Hey zasta you see this? Kalashnicohn made a Vityaz, so it looks like someone can make the bolts now.
>>29903250
Yay zenitco
>>29903425
I did see that, sadly the Saiga9/Vityaz bolts are different the the Bizons. Did think about asking if he would make a custom one but I'm horrified by their things he's done.
>the comments, kill me now
>>29903488
>doesnt even have wooden RPK stock
>>29903488
>the comments
>theakguy
>the ak guy
No, no he isn't. Casual at best.
>>29903519
>or proper bipod
>gas block
>cleaning rod
>cleaning rod support
>RPK trunnion
>RPK hand guard
>RPK receiver
Anything else I'm missing?
AK best instrument in world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6cv4ovnwvw
>>29903265
>little spendy though
It's going to be, that's the thing. You won't get a domestic AK at RAS47 prices with foreign made quality. AK's were designed and then refined to be produced in large numbers as cheaply and fast as possible. It requires a significant capital investment, but once the machinery is set up you can spit them out quickly. The US civilian market just doesn't have enough demand to justify that kind of capital investment. You're talking about not only milling machines and jigs, but stamping dies, casting molds, a barrel forging machine, etc. Ex-curtain countries already have a lot of these machines, which is why they can make and sell these rifles relatively cheaply, the machinery is all already there and paid for, it just needs to be maintained. Which is why Century had to bump the prices up on the Wasr (superior) to make the price of their US made AK's (inferior) competitive. They made the RAS47 as cheap as possible and they still couldn't make it as cheap as the far superior Wasr.
So if we're going to get a US made AK that isn't shit it's going to cost a lot, compared to something like a Wasr. Cugir has the advantage of already having all the required machinery in-house. Nobody in the US can say the same. If you want forged parts they'll probably have to be outsourced. If you want stamped steel you'll be paying for the R&D on the dies. If you want a CHF barrel you can commit sudoku. Etc.
>>29903583
what's the difference between RPK and AK gas blocks?
>>29903726
The RPK74 and RPK74M had 45 degree gas blocks for some reason. Other than that, no difference to my knowledge
>>29903488
Bru, can the aksu handle any kind of brake besides its original brake?
>>29903726
The most important difference is the length between the gas port and the part of the gas block that interfaces with the gas tube. They're slightly different so the two aren't interchangeable. Visually, the overall length of the RPK gas block is shorter, and more slanted.
The rifle in that picture might be called an RPK by some who follow a more liberal definition of RPK, but for the rest of us, it's a long barreled AK with a bipod.
>>29903773
>>29903789
oh, thanks. i thought difference was furniture, trunnion, receiver, no lugs, iron sights
would you guys happen to know why stock holding mechanism so different?
>>29903693
Oh, I'm well aware of all the costs involved tooling up to mass produce AKs.
It's nice to see someone stepping up and making it happen, and hopefully they'll be able to recoup some of the invested money over time, and be able to bring prices down eventually.
As a side note, the ad on AGS for that Polish DDI has a little tongue in cheek poke at Arsenal.
>This AKM is finished off in durable KG Guncoat, the best firearm finish in the industry.
>It will not bubble or come off due to sustained firing and is very chemical resistant.
Made me chuckle.
>>29903842
Stock folding mechanism? I can sort of answer that. The RPKS was designed before the AK74 existed, so it follows that the RPKS was designed before the AKs-74 style folding stock existed as well (the original triangle folder mechanism). The only other folding mechanism they had going on at the time was the AKMS folding stock, which is an underfolder and that just wouldn't make sense on an RPK, where you want some extra weight in the back and something nice and solid to stabilize and even brace against with your support hand. So Molot designed their own folding stock to accommodate the RPKS. Molot is also severely stuck in their ways, and only ever changes anything when the need calls for it. Hence, the RPK folding stock is different from the 4.5/5.5mm folding stocks.
>>29903778
based on experience with short barreled AR's under 10 inches most of the concussive blast comes back at you, so wouldnt recommend it.
>>29903873
Lel
With DDI putting out folding stock rifles that are hopefully high quality, I'm hoping maybe they will put the pressure on Arsenal.
>>29903890
thanks chimps, it seems i can always trust on you
>>29903891
What about other brakes ?
>>29904053
the standard krink brake/ the bulgarian 4 piece work fine and should be what you opt for with such a short barrel
>>29897513
Cut the bitch off with a Dremel at the weld. I used some black pen shit from brownells. Loophole that shit. Fuck stamps for serbian shit
>>29903265
>This AKM is finished off in durable KG Guncote finish. It will not bubble or come off due to sustained firing
Hmmm
>>29904221
senpai thats gay the muzzles are touching
>>29904375
It was way worse when I didn't have the correct muzzle break for the 74.
>>29904516
>the crapco brake
>correct
>>29904262
DDI with the bantz.
>>29904221
>not even a jacuzzi tub
disappointed
Matte plum furniture a best with a production run of only around five years
>>29905288
Also does anyone know if Bulgarian milsurp slings are longer than the normal Bulgarian slings that come with Arsenal rifles? I want a sling that is a little longer than this one but I want it to be a proper milsurp AK74 sling, either Bulgarian or Russian depending on which one is longer.
I'd get a mustard Russian sling if I ever got wood and bakelite
>>29904262
saw that too. i think theyre trying to deflect some of the shit theyre getting on akfiles to someone else.
>>29905066
At least they didn't say that they'll get laid more if they buy it.
>>29905343
Like what?
>>29904262
I wonder if zeroed means actually putting groups on paper or boresighting
Are there any confirmed reports of Soviet/Russian troops using their bayonets on AK74s/AK74Ms in Afghanistan, Chechnya, Syria/ME or anywhere else in combat?
I was fondling my 74 bayonet and thinking about it today for some reason while also thinking 74 bayonets really attractive looking.
Would it be worth it to trade A c39v2 for a Golani galil?
>>29905871
Depends on the Golani. Some are fantastic, some are shitty just like a lot of Century rifles.
If it isn't a shitty one I'd do it simply because they're the cheapest way to get a proper Galil without spending thousands.
>>29905871
Just get a WASR
>>29905871
v2 might be better
would you guys rather have 2 romanian wasrs or one Arsenal SLR107FR
>>29905901
SLR104FR
>>29905901
If it's not an XM55, I'd take the Arsenal every time.
Also, depends on what sort of WASRs.
>>29905901
I'd rather have a Polish AKM built off a matching parts kit with a CHF chrome-lined barrel built by a professional.
>>29897539
You can still buy saiga sporting rifles online.
>>29905901
I would rather have a type 56/polytech spiker
but since I have a non xm55 slr107fr the arsenal
Can someone please post red furniture AKs, I want some ideas for the girls AK she might be getting
>>29906016
>buying your "girl" a rifle she'll probably never use
>>29906008
>>29905927
>>29905939
>>29905948
im primarily an AR15 guy, but i used to have an arsenal SGL 31 in 5.45 and i sold it when the import ban hit and i made a few hundred dollars above what i paid. i regret selling it now.
>>29906033
>i regret selling it now.
You should. Don't fret though, you can still pick them up for around $1400-1500 hundred pretty easily. Otherwise get an SLR-104FR for that 5.45 deliciousness
>>29906024
she shoots
>>29906070
Is she a natural readhead?
>muhdick
Pls post more of her shooting.
>>29906070
ncstar sks sling on ar15
>>29906095
*red
wew
>>29906104
looks like a mosin sling. anyway, whats wrong with that? its basically a comfy web sling with leather collars
>function > form
>>29906104
>ncstar sks
>that
Hello new friend.
>>29906104
its a mosin sling
>>29906095
only when you post red aks
>>29905883
>>29905889
The one im being offered comes with 2 galil mags a ar15 mag conversion and 200 rounds of pmc ammo.If it checks out im probably
gonna go for it.Always wanted a Galil.
>>29906104
>That
>SKS sling
I would know, I put Chinese SKS slings on nearly ever rifle I own. They can be had for less than $5 a piece and they're great.
post being /out/ with AK
http://imgur.com/jkgySo3
>>29906151
She's a bit chubbier than I thought m8. Does she smell like garlic and onions? I bet she does. Also what do you mean red? Like red dyed furniture?
>>29906199
>he actually kept the shitty sling that comes with WASRs now.
>>29906199
Cute kid!
>>29906246
yea I know it's terrible, I've got one coming in the mail
>>29906256
:3
>>29906199
Is that az ?
>>29906199
> me with my slr104 in flagstaff az
>>29906207
Nah she doesn't smell. She has lost a lot of weight too.
I'm looking for either naturally red tinted or stained to match her hair, we both think that would look sweet.
No painted guns please.
>>29906407
>that mongrel face
Wew. Anyway, just buy a WASR and refinish the wood f.a.m.
>>29906329
That place looks beautiful. I've been told by some family in Mesa that if I ever wanted to move out there but not be hot as fuck and still get to keep muh trees, it would be Flagstaff
>>29906417
That wasn't a nice thing to say
>>29906284
Idaho
>>29906508
Ah it looks like the lava rocks here in az.
>>29906527
Didn't know AZ had some. No I post about these things all the time, next time I get the chance I'm gonna try and hike to what looks like an empty lake in the middle of the fields
>>29906458
You're on 4chan. This is nice.
>>29906594
That's basically what I was shooting in they work great. Where I was at you can shoot 800m +
>>29906630
They're pretty spooky. Not because of skinwalkers or anything, but because there is absolutely noone around for miles
>>29906458
I'm just sayin' m8. Doesn't mean that if I had the chance I wouldn't fuck the shit out of her. Also she's not ugly enough to be worried about going out in public with. She just has that chunky and protruding midface.
>>29906417
>requests pics
>bitches about pics
How's it feel to shoot without a gf?
>and probably never will.
>>29905901
I'd rather have an SGL-21 since I have a thing for Russians. But my SLR-107FR will get the job done.
>>29906725
>can't take the Bantz
How do you guys zero your AKs? I was watching an AKOU vid and Rob Ski was saying he sights his AKs in so at 100 yards he aims at the belt buckle and hits about 8 inches above that. Do any of you do that?
I've always just sighted my AKs in to normal aim where to want to hit
Did anyone ever find out whether the Strike Industries J-Comp is available for AKs, in the sense of being available with 1:14mm LH thread and a detent notch?
>>29906947
The sights on an AK, RPK, or SKS are designed so that you set the rear sight to 200m (300m if it's 5.45mm), that is, to the battlesight setting, and zero it dead on at 25m.
You can then verify at 100m by setting the rear sight at 300m (400m for a 5.45mm AK) and making sure it shoots as close as possible to 25cm high (about 10").
If space is limited you can set the rear sight on a 7.62x39mm AK, SKS, etc. to 300m (400m for 5.45mm) and zeroing at 14m, or 46 feet, and hoping for the best.
>>29906947
Rob ski zeroes 8 inches high at 100 yards? The fuck? The elevation adjustments are there for a reason
>>29907283
I think the guy you're responding to is misunderstanding the point off the battle settling
>>29907283
>>29907307
https://youtu.be/rqpBpXfyYOk?t=52s
I understand the battle setting just fine, I was just watching this video and thought it really weird how he zeroes his rifle.
>>29906839
>Implying I give a fuck one way or the other
I just find your faggotry pathetic.
I'm getting tired of AR-15's, of which I have three, and I've been really interested in getting an AK-47 (or similar rifle).
I know that a plethora of companies make modernized versions of a similar design, so are there any that are more popular or are known for higher quality?
>>29907370
>maybe if I call him pathetic that'll mean I win
>>29907396
HERE WE GO
>>29907417
Sorry, new to /k/, don't bite my head off.
>>29907396
If you want the absolute best quality factory rifle that isn't something that was imported back in the 80's or 90's before all the import bullshit and costs like $2000+ I'd say get a SGL-31 or 21 off the used market. A SGL-31 will run you about $1500 and is almost identical to the Russian AK-74m, minus the rear end (different stock/rear trunnion, and no reinforcement plate). I mean it all depends on what you want out of the rifle. Usually I'd also suggest an SLR-104fr or SLR-107fr but given the current shit going on about them I'd rather avoid that whole argument.
>>29907438
The right answer.
>>29907438
>given the current shit going on about them
Care to explain? I'm pretty new to firearms in general, so I didn't hear about this
>>29907453
Some people have been having the paint flake off of their Arsenal SLRs after magdumping less than 100 rounds this past month.
Emphasis on SOME PEOPLE. I've had my SLR-104 for about a year now and I've magdumped and bumpfired thousands of rounds of 5.45 through it and the paint is still just fine.
If a company produced 499 good products and one bad product, everyone will focus on the one bad product instead of the 499 good ones. Does that mean it's ok? Of course not, QC ur shit Arsenal. But saying HURR ARSENAL SUX because of this paint issue while ignoring the thousands of people who are happy with their rifles and that don't have the problem is foolish.
>>29907453
One or two batches of recent SLR's had shitty finishes that bubbled when magdumped because the rifles weren't prepped right before being being finished. A few also had some rust under the finish for probably the same reason. My current theory is that they didn't properly degrease them and so moisture got stuck under oil and caused some surface rust, and when the gun heated up the paint bubbled because the oil underneath boiled a bit.
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>>29907496
Well shit, that's not good. From looking at them they're gorgeous, but I now realize they may cause trouble where I live in California, I'll have to look into the laws. Are AK's classified differently than other AR's?
>>29907517
>California
Welp, you're much more limited, shoulda mentioned that before. Just get a California compliant WASR I guess.
>>29907517
>Are AK's classified differently than other AR's?
>other AR's
uh...
>>29907534
I live both there and in Canada, so I'm fucked in both places.
I can own pic related, but not an AK because "scary looking guns trigger people"
Fuck.
>>29907573
Well, you're asking for it by living in communist bureaucratic statist hellholes
>>29901616
>>29900891
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>>29900969
The bubbling only seems to happen on rifles with XM55 prefix serial numbers.
>>29907617
A few of the SLR-104fr's made about the same time had the same issues. Sounds to me like one employee fucked off on their job when it was their shift.
>>29902837
sadly they're not even cheap anymore :c ARs are more affordable right now imo but I still prefer the AKs for appearance and history.
>>29902837
>can buy AK, a proper fighting rifle backed by ballistic science research of one of the biggest arms exporters in the world with a deep history of firearms manufacturing.
>buy a cheap ass plastic gun for fat people who can't find their dick under their fat rolls
I got one of the last two Romy RPK kits that Apex had in stock.
Can't wait to build my MAK folder an adopted big sister.
>>29902837
>The disgust you should feel for not loving both platforms and wanting to have at least two or three of each for posterity
>>29907733
By the way, is Zhukov furniture considered degenerate? I...kinda like it.
>>29907780
All of the fagpul AK stuff is pretty gross and unnecessary. There are far superior combloc and combloc pattern options for polymer furniture for the AK
>>29907667
there has been bubbling reports dating back to early 2014 on SLR-104s. arsenal just doesn't give a fuck about QC.
>>29908157
Where are said reports?
>>29908180
up your ass faggot
>>29908157
That's horseshit and you know it.
>>29908215
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/
half way down the page you fucking faggot.
>>29908291
whoops:
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=262925&page=5
>>29908291
>>29908304
>implying that thats old news
Yeah, sure the rifle is supposed to be older but notice how we never saw pictures of the serial number range or even the rest of the rifle. It very easily could be fakes as one of the XM-55 SLR-107frs since the barrel profile is the same
>>29908304
Try just posting the individual post next time.
Click the post number and you'll get a link to that post.
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3245823&postcount=160
>>29908336
>grasping at straws
fucking pathetic
>>29908345
neat.
is it irresponsible gun ownership to keep my AK loaded right next to me at my desk
>>29908381
is this a real question?
>>29908399
no it's fake
Official response from Arsenal:
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3257183&postcount=298
>>29908381
I keep my Shield loaded under the empty pillow next to me at night
>tfw no gf
>>29908465
9 or 40? I turn 21 in two months and I'm wondering which way to go
>>29908493
9mm a best
>>29908493
9mm.
>>29908493
certainly the 9, in that small frame the .40 really beats your hand to shit. I had an easier time shooting an XDs in .45 than a shield in .40
>>29908423
Wow. That's funny.
Now this thread goes a little haywire, as happens on the files, but the premise is there.
>Guy bought a 106CR from a shop
>Apparently Arsenal's warranty starts as soon as it leaves their door
>Wants $200 to fix a factory fucked up gun.
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=234326
Arsenal does not care about their customers.
They just don't want their rep damaged so they can continue to charge premium prices for mediocre rifles.
>>29908540
I sense a poor fag tripping over what other people purchase.
>>29908540
their rep has been damaged for a while. it's a good thing their malfunctioning rifles have been limited to their 106 line (for the most part) otherwise they would be fucked.
>rifles look like absolute ass
>but at least they function, right Tovarish? :^
>>29908553
Nope.
Just tired of hearing how good Arsenal's are, especially in regards to "fit and finish" as they are regularly touted.
>>29908553
it's not a matter of money faggot. its pretty much fact. I would LOVE to see some other firearms manufacturer pull off their kind QC and survive.
>my $1k AR looks like shit.
>my $1k 1911 looks like shit
>my $1k shotgun looks like shit
>b-but at least they shoot..
I can't wait for DDI to take a steaming shit on Arsenal when their side folders come out.
>>29907517
AKs are in no way shape or form ARmalights.
>>29906162
Muh nigga
Best sling ever.
>>29908423
Wew. I was hoping for their sake they'd fess up and not try to damage control beyond
>a small batch of rifles went out with issues, we're currently undergoing a reevaluation of our QC and also seeking to fix the problems with those which have demonstrated the issue of poor finish quality
Instead it's
>lol our guns are great you fucking faggots, what's wrong with a bubbling finish you fags? pffft. I mean we'll look into it but like it's not even an issue, we have a warranty y' know?
