Norling edition
Because we should not have to make new threads or post in draw threads with our fundamental exercises.
Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make your mom proud.
AVOID asking unrelated questions, there is a question thread for that.
RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000x1000 PIXELS:
#1)
>screenshot the image and post that instead
#2)
>change camera capture settings to something smaller
#3)
>send to computer and resize in MSPaint
→ →
There's a new sticky in town! You can see it at:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VfDTpLLVl5bWUGWguswKpPFml533luI8-NBd1EGYHnA/edit
>Thread study: Try to draw/paint the opening or any other following images.
Feel free to post your original works as well if you're trash.
TRY TO BE MORE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - many studies are left unreplied, which is a bit sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.
Old thread: >>2587956
draw without fapping
>>2590617
Why would I fap to female Guy Fieri?
>>2590617
I'd let her take me to flavortown.
Some figure study shit involving torso anatomy.
>>2590646
Also, pen gesture I did on a whim. It's fun, should do more of these
>>2590646
conte? or what?
>>2590676
Forgot the name but it's always right besides the contes in my store. Maybe it is?
The end of the pencil is gray with a white stripe on it. You see Vilppu actually using it throughout his lectures.
Trying to work on proportions and general body structure i guess. Any feedback appreciated
>>2590745
you suck lol
>>2590755
Best feedback i've heard in years, thank you so much
>>2590745
i actually really like that, that's actually the model i'm trying to go for in my animations
http://www.arvindguptatoys.com/arvindgupta/zenmind.pdf
>>2590774
You should had a neck for your characters
Hi, so, I'm actually new to this shit (and here comes the trolls, yaaaaay. I love them and their clubs and big noses) and some friends told me this would be a good place to get some feedback on my figure drawing practice, as well as any other drawings I do. So for now, I'm just gonna drop one of the better pictures from my last session, but was hoping if it would be ok for me to just have massive art dumps here to get people's opinion on where I am going and what I should be doing. Anyhoo, here we go! (because of the 1000X1000 requirement, it looks squashed. if anyone actually cares, I can post the original size too.)
>>2590793
You should start by studying simple anatomy, don't go too fast by drawing such poses
>>2590802
((I legitimately am new to this site so if that thing doesn't work, then yeaaaa))Yeah, that actually does sound like something that should be more my level. Whats happening there is that im using a site called http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/ , which has a nice little timer thing where it gives you reference images to draw from and you draw them within a certain amount of time. That one I posted just happened to be a 5 minute allowance drawing, and the poses I get are random. I would like to keep going with pixelovely since it gives me a reason to practice everyday instead of just drawing whatever I feel like, whenever I feel like it, but I should probably do something else to help further my studies.
>>2590793
Read the sticky too please. But other than that, go visit the art book thread and read a figuring drawing book.
>>2590809
The point with quick-drawing some randoms poses is to keep what's important, it's something very helpful but you should keep that for later. Start with this (see the pic)
>>2590793
take name off
you're not important enough
>>2590812
thanks for the pic, Saved it for later since its super late and I'm heading to bed. But yea, I'm really liking this, I'll take a closer look at the sticky when I'm more awake. I am really happy I did this, thank you. :3
>>2590595
i'm sure this isn't that helpful for learning but i've been doing a lot of stuff like this recently
Where is the best place to pick up a set of elipse templates and a distance divider? I don't really want to spend literally hundreds on these tools if possible. Anything on Ali Express?
>>2590793
I know this is 4chan and all but do you really need to type like you actually have autism?
Practice your figure drawing a lot more, read a book or two. There are too many flaws in this image to even start.
>>2590840
No need to be rude, at least he tried
>>2590592
a little bit too stocky, i see
>>2590843
At this stage in his learning, it's better to be blunt than to coddle him.
>>2590745
Your lines cut in too deep at the elbows.
![IMG_0297[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/CuapRSb.jpg "IMG_0297[1].jpg")
waddup brehs
>>2590848
Draw what you see. His elbow is tilting slightly to the right, his torso is rotated more to the left, his chin is pressed against his deltoid (no space between neck and arm), his left leg is extended at a higher angle, his right leg is straighter.
>>2590863
rotate ur shit
>>2590833
Try to do it again anon. Without the scribbling lines. Use your whole arm, not just your wrist, try to draw out longer lines in one go. Do them lightly, it will take some practice to get the control to do it this way. Once you get it down right, do that line again, darker.
Basically try to avoid the chicken scratch.
>>2590850
You won't learn him anything nor encourage him by telling those rude words
>>2590899
If you want encouragement go talk to your friends, if you want criticism post here. If you can't handle rude words you really shouldn't be on 4chan.
>>2590913
It's okay to be an asshole here
>>2590913
> There are too many flaws in this image to even start.
> Criticism
>>2590793
It do not have to be 1000x1000 it could be less, like 920x1000 so you will keep the propotions.
>>2590590
what am I doing wrong? it looks so scratchy, and shitty
>>2591049
smudge it with baby oil or something then
>>2591049
change paper, or pencil
Posting this again, didn't got any replies
>>2591080
>Model has no hair
>Adds hair
why?
>>2591081
Allow me to practice hair too
Also I'm always trying to tweak things, in general I make butts bigger
>>2591080
The model's neck is thinner.
>>2591082
and apparently smaller tits and thicker necks
and moving the hands
and giving her mouth like joker has
and making her face look like a burn victim
also you didnt make her butt bigger you made her thighs bigger
>>2590595
>>2591109
you probably meant to reply to some other image because im sure as hell thats not what youve used as a reference
Ever had those days when it feels like your just wandering around, not feeling that what you practice is on the right path?
>>2591131
Every single thing that you do is another step on the path, regardless of how small.
vkDOTcomSLASHdoc4043932_344855287 basically crosshatching practicing of your style with master study (kind of)
PS: if it looks like someone spilled coffee on it, don't worry. It renders like that. It should look normal after a while.
![7QeaYe4[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/4qmuxmn.jpg "7QeaYe4[1].jpg")
>>2591131
Art is more like a widely branching skill tree than a linear path.
While wandering around at random isn't the fastest path to any given goal-point, picking up various bits and bobs of technique is still valuable.
>>2591115
>im sure as hell thats not what youve used as a reference
wut? why?
>>2591150
don't mind him, he's on his period
>>2591147
Is that a skill tree for a game?
Not quite sure how my typing translates to autism, or maybe its because im being overly nice since I'm new here. Either way, it doesn't pertain to this forum so I'm gonna ignore it and focus on the actual advice given to me here. Anyways, I tried that Picasso Stravinsky test in the sticky, and at first I thought "Wow, I'm actually doing pretty decently." Then reality sets in and im complete shite. It looks like I drew Butthead if he was some sort of psychologist.
>>2591157
Yeah, it's Path of Exile's passive skill tree.
Where do I start when I want to draw that ?
I could do it by eyes, but the perspective would be wrong;
I don't have this kind of problem in front figures and more classic, less complex poses
>>2591162
This might be completely wrong, but if you're asking where to start drawing, with this one maybe breaking the body down to shapes to get a general idea of how its formed is a good idea. Like, the back looks sorta like a rectangle, the butt is OBVIOUSLY a nice elliptic cricle, the thights are pretty cylinder-ish, e.t.c. Again, I can be COMPLETELY wrong.
>>2591133
Yeah you are right. Seeing that improving at art is not linear is a bit frustrating for someone like me who likes to see improvement right away, but I guess accepting this just makes the journey more fun. I just want to get to drawing comics traditionally as soon as possible.
>>2591136
I'd love to see this, but the link says its back to its owner or something and I can't see it.
>>2591147
Almost forgot, yeah I want to be good at different inking tools such as tech pens to nibs to brushes, so I guess I should play around with each every so often.
>>2591162
She got a back vagina
>>2591162
Start out by getting all the extremes in the right place on your blank canvas. The head, the feet, the hands, the shoulders, the butt, and the basic line of action. After that you can worry about the details.
>>2591169
try this: vkDOTcomSLASHdoc4043932_344855287?hash=9a43ddae07b8634198
>>2591169
Well, break your art goals down into their components. "getting good at art for comics" isn't a straight line of improvement, but "getting good at cross-hatching" or "getting good at facial construction" or "getting good at hair" are all pretty straightforward progressions.
>>2591177
Thanks mate, just did some digging in the archives and found the link. I've been using Pen & Ink Drawing: A Simple Guide for my practices. Still recommend it, but its best not to stick to one resources when learning so I'll be giving this a read for sure.
>>2591183
That's kinda what I've been doing, practicing value scales with strokes and then gradation. Maybe I need to set an amount of them to work on before moving on. Also should check and do some of the exercises from DrawABox, at least for lines and ellipses.
I have been only working with my sketch pencils and my tablet, should I be finding other tools to work with??
>>2591131
I think the best way to actually understand form is by learning perspective.
Just drawing 3d shapes without any understanding to them doesn't really do much.
>>2591188
It's by no means a necessity to master a lot of tools.
If there's a specific tool you want to experiment with, or if there's a particular style you want to emulate, sure, go ahead.
But outside of color*, there's very little you can't learn with just a pencil, and digital art is nearly limitless in its variety.
*Don't try to get into colors just yet if the stuff you've posted in this thread is representative of your level. Play around with it for fun if you like, but there's plenty of basic stuff for you to learn in the world of monochrome before you'd really benefit from getting into it.
>>2591200
Will Perspective Made Easy help remedy that?
>>2591204
Honestly, the stuff I have posted is probably the best I am capable of right now. Without a reference, Im kinda hopeless unless im drawing something completely out there. Which actually brings me to my next question: Im obviously a beginner, I hoped I was slightly higher but no, im bottom tier. I practice everyday with the gesture drawings and now with /ic/'s sticky thread, but I also like to just draw what I want, draw for fun, like cartoon characters and junk. Should I stop "Drawing for fun" now, and only draw to practice, like drawing reference images for anatomy or doing practice like linework? I just wanna know incase drawing for fun is tainting my experience and making things harder for me in the long run.
>>2591174
it was the part I got trouble with. How do I place them right ?
They are not on the same plane
Any tips?
>>2591227
Never ever ever ever ever ever ever stop drawing for fun.
Try to make the things you draw for fun educational(for instance, if you like to draw superheroes punching each other but you're studying perspective, try finding ways to make the perspective enhance the punch), and don't think just drawing for fun will make you improve as fast as studying things you suck at, but having fun with your art is also really important. It's a big part of what motivates any artist, and if you cut it out most people are gonna burn out really fast.
>>2591234
Well, just measure it. For instance, her shoulder is about one eighth of the image's height down from the top, and about one sixth of the width in from the right. Her hand is about one third of the height from the bottom, a little bit to the left.
If it seems daunting to do it by eye, draw a grid. It's how you train your eyes.
>>2591245
I can see you're putting a lot of work into your shadows but virtually none into your highlights. Don't be afraid to start experimenting in drawing in hair too.
>>2591245
It's pretty asymmetric.
Try regularly flipping your drawings upside down or turning them around in front of a back light to make it easier to catch stuff like that.
>>2591261
I used to draw those models on paper of different format and with eyes only.
A grid would makes things easier, I will try
>>2591261
hmmm, I see. you mention studying perspective, though perspective is something thats a bit above my level right now I think, though practicing isn't out of the question. Thats something I wonder: I know there is no clear cut method, but is there a way to tell where I am? like with
>>2590703
there are different levels of mastery, and I just don't know where I honestly stand beyond "A ton of people are better than me."
when should I beginner finish his work
and also what does it mean when beginners "polish turds"
![squares[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/V5Jc83o.jpg "squares[1].jpg")
>>2591266
When you're more experienced, you'll be able to eyeball complex poses like that without having to spend time drawing a grid, but in my experience, it's a great set of artistic training wheels.
>>2591268
Personally I don't think it's ever really too early to start learning basic perspective because of how fundamental it is.
As for your level, well, you're clearly a beginner and you're still struggling with drawing what you see, rather than what you think you see. I honestly can't give you any better advice than to follow the three steps for beginners in the sticky. Learn to see more objectively, learn to construct basic shapes, and learn some perspective.
>>2591276
I can't tell you how long you should spend on a drawing.
"polishing a turd" is when you focus on unimportant details when the image has much bigger issues. Like worrying about getting the texture of the skin right while you've accidentally given your subject two left feet.
>>2591289
How are you constructing the portraits? Those two things aren't separate.
Is there a place where random pictures pop up on a screen with a timer for figure sketching?
>>2591303
http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/
>>2591303
http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/
Thats for figures and gestures. The site also has hands, animals, and faces.
What's the difference between looking at a photo of a 3D object and looking at a 3D object in person from one angle?
the photo is already flat and you are just drawing another flat version of it. The real thing as actual dimension and weight to it in terms of shading and highlights and such. (read that from the sticky)
read more of the sticky, there is alot to take in. I'm gonna just...go for now, try and do something...
so i just decided to get a tablet and i've been working in photoshop, doing mostly weeb stuff. i'm having two problems in the learning process with this new tablet.
1) i can't seem to get straight lines for the life of me and getting decent curves and circles is even harder. is this a practice thing? anything else?
2) im working in photoshop and most of my stuff comes out looking super unpolished and even messy. are there any good videos or articles out there for various coloring/shading techniques for digital art? i'm sort of pleased with my line work, but i can't make it come together.
Oh look we scared away a lot of potential artists from posting by acting like raging lunatics about file size.
Also the tutorial in the OP isn't helpful
I feel like I should stop trying to make sense of anime facial anatomy.
>>2591393
You should stop using anime cancer to try to study anatomy
>>2591303
http://www.quickposes.com/gestures/timed
>>2591393
study real faces not fucking anime
>>2590852
May I ask what exactly you mean? Like the arms at the elbows are too thin?
>>2591393
I am in no way a pro at this.
The features should be aligned upon the face, right? Am I seeing her nose wrong?
Maybe I just don't get shit at all but aren't her facial features not aligned?
I thought that even in good anime, they follow these basic rules. Yet, I don't hate this art.
>>2591461
>her
Learn how the various face structures work especially at different angles. Every single one of these pathetic green lines has completely missed their mark.
>>2591393
>>2591461
>>2591465
How the fuck do I know the gender? Looks like a chick. lmao
Also, I was attempting to align the features not the structure of the skull. Then again, it's pretty much the same thing.
Don't you worry though. I'm a noob beginner so i'm not offended at all. I can't draw worth shit yet.
Also, if you don't mind, could you show the proper box around this characters head along with the features on lines?
I would appreciate it. I want to learn. :(
>>2591478
stop namefagging first :)
>>2591393
thats not even anime
>>2591478
Click the checkbox next to the name and there's a "delete" button at the bottom of the page.
>>2591490
no fakk u
i fakk ur mum
how 2 delete????
>software developer that wants to make video games but need to be able to art
>started lurking /ic/ and doing drawabox.com exercises literally yesterday
A-a journey of a thousand miles..
>>2591493
thanks honey ^.^
at least someone is nice here :)
i dont understand why so many people here are so mean to me ; ;
>>2591476
I'm not trying to study manga for the fundamentals.
I just thought the nose looked off and the eyes looked skewed.
But on second look, it's not that much off. Also, it's anime proportions big eyes etc.
It's stylized, I get that. (nep nep nep nep nep)
>>2591496
are you me 7 months ago?
pro tip: 7 months is not enough
>>2591502
not that guy but
>tfw you are me
>>2591505
h-hold me bro
>>2591502
I assume it will be even harder, longer, and take more dedication to learn how to art well enough to indie game dev than it did to learn how to program.
Pic related, sadly.
>>2591493
Who are you?
Also, not really sure why having a name is such a big deal, but I guess its because everyone decides to be anon and im breaking the status quo.
Anyways, lets try this again: http://drawabox.com/lesson/1, part 1 exercise.
Aw damn, fucked up the quote. I'm a literal mess these days.
>>2591507
Aaaaaay, someone in the same boat as me. I hope to see you around more often, its nice to have someone similar to me. I need to get one of those pens, I had to do mine in pencil. Im heading out today to get some.
>>2591508
Who am i?
>>2591507
You don't need a high degree of mechanical skill for coding, so... well, yes.
>>2591512
Sorry, sorry. I meant to quote the guy pretending to be me and ask, "Who are you", but I screwed that up. You're cool, assuming you're the same anon that answered me.
>>2591514
Thats ok. I don't have anything better to do. Besides my job and all the freelance development work. But I can art and code at the same time if i just cut out all other things from my life for the next 5 years.
Hermit mode activate.
>>2591507
just like engines do everything for you same can be done with art
unless you want some old timey hand animated game
just like people smudge and blur photos to make it look like painting same way you can make textures
/3/ has some easy tutorials in their sticky
>>2591519
I dont use engines anon. Besides, it's a skill I've always wanted. I just put learning it on hold while i focused on programing. I'll check /3/ out though.
Gib tips or something.
>>2591533
Fuck, forgot to resize
>>2591497
BEGONE NEWFAG
>>2591497
>it's summer - the post
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
from the last thread
>>2591577
ref
@2591584
>I was merely pretending to be retarded
every time
h-how do i quote guize????
>>2591577
"RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000x1000 PIXELS:"
You didn't even read the mother post...
>>2591614
thank you!
>>2590589
Life drawing of a tree. Tried it two ways and failed both. Should I use a more forgiving darkness of pencil?
>>2590793
Dear god this was hard to read. Remove your name, you don't deserve it.
Also, lurk 4chan more in general, you reek of normalfaggotry of the highest degree.
Also, underage? Read the sticky and don't post until you have something to show.
>> 2591667
No thanks, I think I'll keep my name. :3
And I'm here to get direction on where to go and where I am, so that requires posting. If I could already draw well, I probably wouldn't be here.
>>2591205
I honestly have had hard time learning perspective through books.
I recommend Marshall Vandruff 12 dollar video series that you can get online. He takes you through perspective evry easily.
After that, pick up a book. You should be ready for more advanced shit from Scott Robertson's How to Draw
only did the outline, i really have trouble with faces.
What do you think about the rest
>>2591507
>>2591510
Don't use a ballpoint pen for those exercises. the tip will dig into the paper, and make subsequent lines track into them, ruining the point of the exercise. get a fine tip felt pen. sharpie makes alright ones in a pinch, but faber castelle or staedtler are the easiest accessible pens. walmart sales staedtler triplus fine tip felt pens that'd work decently.
Also, crit me because no one did the last thread.
>>2591721
its very faint so its hard for me to give anything but impressions, but one eye looks bigger than the other, and I feel like his head is a bit too square. Again, only opinions/impressions, take em with a grain of salt.
>>2591687
Guess i can spare 12 bucks. Thanks mate.
>>2591715
Too wide shouldered and narrow-hipped You let the lighting trick you into making her thigh too narrow.
You made her hands too big, and you really messed up the tendons in her neck
You made the shoulders and hips more parallel, making the pose more static
>>2591715
Why did you put a gap between her torso and the arm on the right?
>>2591721
I dont think i was using a ball point pen. Im fairly ignorant of tools still, but im pretty sure the pen in my picture is felt tip.
>>2590595
I tried.
>>2591802
good try man. You need to push your values a bit more and incorporate the areas of pure black and intensify the highlights on her skin.
>>2591814
Thanks for response, will work on it.
>>2591802
>tfw i don't think this anon will be with us in /beg/ much longer
>>2591755
I have that pen in question, it's a pilot precise V5/V7. extra fine/fine tipped rollingball pen. It's not gonna help you for those practices, trust me. Get a proper felt tip that's .5mm or close to. The sharpie extra fine tips are about .5 if memory serves.
Posting another image for crit. Up your game, /beg/.
>>2591926
Pose is interesting, feet look screwed up at the soles, and I can barely recognize a neck. The ay its sketched, he looks like he has a weird double chin where one chin points down.
As for Pens, I got a triplus fineliner .3mm staedtler. Is that good?
>>2591163
fuck off, it's not so incredibly off that it's unrecognizable as the same image
![1467728058863[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/R1X3HXK.jpg "1467728058863[1].jpg")
>>2591942
Triplus is fine as I mentioned here >>2591721.
Don't apply too much weight to it on denser paper though, as it's a bit on the thin side and can still depress the media. I was using some 98lb mixed media paper and noticed I was tracking with it using that very pen.
>>2591942
Hands and feet and most interior design on the guy is just for quick reference when I go to paint him in. I'm not too worried about 100% line accuracy as it's gonna all disappear shortly.
>Pic related
is reference from last thread from someone tellin' me something about 'fundies'
>>2590179
>>2588731
Okay here's another attempt.
Had a lot to do today so this is as far as I've gotten. Haven't gotten to add the soldier(s) yet either.
Obviously needs refinement, but is this going somewhere now?
>hm, it's been a while since I've done a study and people have been telling me that I should work on my skin tones
>immediately fuck up and ruin everything by making the head way too small
>spend an hour before I figure out what's wrong even though the original is right fucking there next to it
I'm more out of practice than I thought, it seems.
I guess I might as well move on with colors anyway, right?
creetures
>>2591979
Well, there's lots of room for improvement, but that's for another time. I'm not sure I learned anything, though, except maybe that skin is a whole lot more saturated than I thought.
I'm having doubts about my art. I can draw decent stuff like this, even in slightly dynamic poses but I never think of any interesting enough unless I'm doing porn. But like, half the time I just draw utter shit and don't feel like I know what I'm doing. Or rather, I feel like my actual output is so much lower than what I can do that it frustrates me. Some of it is the nature of sketching and only using mechanical pencils and not diversifying my horizons, but I feel like it's more than that. Critiques on this, and potentially more if I post my worse stuff?
>>2592193
for fucks sake if you cant be assed to resize then at least rotate
anyway i can see how the way you draw would be appealing to normies or whatever (think of all the likes) but in regards to your question you answered it yourself, just push past your comfort zone and never stop learning and have faith that you'll get better and you will. else you'll end up regretting wasted time
>>2592220
Not him but you should know by now that the 4chan submission form often rotates images on upload. How new are you exactly?
>>2591949
these are great. Are you using some odd reflect tool by the way?
>>2592232
It's actually probably my stupid fucking iPod. God I wish I had bought something not shitty before I got laid off.
>>2592220
I've had a passion for drawing environments (and no not 'omg post-apocalyptic zombie land with hover cars so edgy' or whatever, think more F-Zero and Metroid stuff) but I suck at it because I've never worked up the courage to just learn how to draw those kinds of things? Every time I attempt to draw individual details it looks like shit or my impatience gets to me. I guess I'll just have to grin and bear it and grind references? I really like Frank Lloyd Wright's architectural works but up until like a year ago I was really against using references for some stupid youth-ingrained reason.
Also for clarification I am quite new here. Browsed a time or two but that's all. I pretty much get zero opinions or only overt praise elsewhere and I'm fed up with it, so.
>>2592242
not sure what you mean, i flip my canvas a lot if that's what you are referring to?
I need a drawing/sketch board to clip my shit on, I've literally been drawing on white paper with no clips on my desk desu
What brand should it be? What should the dimensions be? pls give recs
Samefag as the rotated Quote guy, as you can tell I like to draw androids quite a bit, though from sketches they probably just look like humans with muscles drawn out, but I like the idea of blending flesh with metal/machinery and synthetic muscle tissue, which isn't obvious because I don't know how to texture in black and white tiny sketches and I suck at textures anyway.
The boy here is just a high ranking mage, and while I've spent a good amount of time trying to get him to represent the several aesthetics I'm blending, I'm not sure yet exactly how I'll use him. Tbh, he'll probably wind up in some glorified smut blog with shitty attempts at story.
These are the kinds of things I tend to draw. Anatomy practice sketches, design tests for characters, fan art, shameless fetish art, etc. but I want to delve into more like surrealism/scifi, concept art, general scenery, more "calm" things. Do you think my understanding of anatomy is strong enough that I should stop focusing on getting it right and instead trying to apply it in more interesting ways?
Other comments and critiques welcome. I'll post some less personal stuff in a bit.
>>2592285
TV trays, especially if you find them at goodwill or something, have been nice for me lately. Even not at goodwill, they're like 5 bucks or less at Walmart. Take the legs off if you so desire so you can set it on your lap.
Unless of course you're talking about large paper. I have zero expertise with that.
>>2592295
What do you have that's more dynamic? Can you assemble a scene with multiple characters and proper perspective and composition? Can you do other styles? Can you into color?
Given what you've shown I think you could probably start trying to use what you know to do whatever you want, but I wouldn't say you are done learning or trying to get better.
>>2590602
I'm done with this girl
>>2592304
I'm gonna have to post a few to get the point across, but I'd say I can sort of do those things but mostly struggle with details, especially since I hate throwing shit in for the sake of doing it. Usually I have a specific vision I try to emulate when I do art, but I honestly should probably drop that and just do things to see what works and what doesn't. However, it's admittedly quite difficult to illustrate things like trees in semi real illustrations.
Here's a couple things I did tonight. Yoga pose was done from the head, middle one is David's death of Marat, left is a sketch of a frank Lloyd wright house, which I'm kind of astounded by because usually I try so hard to do line art of shit like this and failing, but value sketching just made it a shit ton better.
One scene is upside down but I'm not making a separate post for it lol. The bottom left is just a scene of coming upon some superstructured android city, although it's hard to tell on this clusterfuck of a page. I want giant mushrooms and pine trees to be a thing, but other than that I don't have many ideas on what to fill the environment with, especially since other than the androids the world is void of anything past fish and trees and maybe insects.
Bottom right is just an attempt at sketching out a scene where this character's paychic/magic starts creating vivid "daydream" states and idk he's melting because ow the edge.
Top one is just an example of where I have problems. How the fuck to I illustrate an ocean without thick utensils or color? I mean it's kinda easy to deduce but not easy enough imo.
>>2591726
Hi there!
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>>2592413
Please don't post things like this. I like being able to filter namefags.
>>2592428
Same. Everybody would have an easier life filtering a namefag instead of bitching about it in the first place.
>>2592413
>>2592428
>>2592439
he just gave a legitimate and helpful criticism you sperglords, if you gave a fuck about this board you'd quit shitposting the beginner threads with non-art gripes.
I'm so sick of people who come here, who don't even draw, that try and have an opinion on how the board "culture" should be.
>>2592454
>I'm so sick of people who come here, who don't even draw, that try and have an opinion on how the board "culture" should be.
You're one of them.
>>2592457
don't bother replying to bait
just hide the post
Yo, I havent anything to post as i have not been drawing in the past week. The reason for this is I have not had the time and i also draw on my phone which has an ~3"x6" screen (Galaxy Note 5). I have a question regarding this, it is that i have been feeling this restriction of space and have been contemplating purchasing a sketchbook. I wanted one in the first place but i am extremely poor right now. Do you think it would be worth it to purchase a sketchbook to break from this tight drawing space, or should i suck it up and keep trying.
>>2592543
More space is a good thing, but if you're that poor just buy a ream of printer paper and some cheap pens/pencils. Materials are only important insomuch as what they allow you to accomplish.
>>2591602
Looks good.
>>2591754
Because it would have made her arm really big
>>2592545
Thanks, anon. I saw a nice large sketch book at the store that should last me a while and it will be my most prized possession. I will git gud with it and try to post the drawings i think aren't shit (so i wont ever post again).
>>2590890
Shit has been rotated. Advice?
>>2590589
Please give critique.
>>2592581
Picture is lacking.
>>2591533
Tfw still no tips.
>>2592587
What is there to critique on something so low-effort, and more importantly, so stylized? What exactly are you going for here?
I would refer you to the alt art thread, where they would refer you here, where you would end up confused as to where you should be and it would result in someone telling you to read Keys to Drawing and Loomis.
>>2592545
source? i have a feeling this would be hilarious to watch
>>2592577
Got a reference?
I don't have trouble sticking to practicing. I have trouble knowing how.
Will following the sticky help me?
>>2592680
Yes.
>>2592591
Allright, thanks. Atleast you replied, I'll go and study my ass off now.
I'm not sure what my end goal is. I just keep practising with no direction.
Amano inspired me to the practice but I fear I'll just end up imitating his work.
I just started out with the sticky and so far i just use a pencil and copy paper. Today i wanted to try my hand on something just for fun and do some sort of still life but i was very lost. I tried to see the shadows and higlights and that's fairly easy. But i can't get those half tones down. Is that simply a question of practicing getting different values on the paper or should i switch to charcoal for this kind of stuff? Also, i felt like i was just aimlessly drawing shapes ... This is going to get better with time, r-right?
When studying figure drawing, should I draw shitty small drawings and spend 2 minutes on them like pic related or spend more time on them and analyze them for mistakes?
>>2592778
These are the ones I spent more time on and then pointed out mistakes. Ignore the edgy skelet
![IMG_20160707_150409[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/eD0RvkT.jpg "IMG_20160707_150409[1].jpg")
how are you supposed to hold your pencil? i've been using 4 fingers my whole life since it feels most natural, but at the same time my drawing and writing is piss poor
>>2592787
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMC0Cx3Uk84
My goal is for people to take me seriously when i talk about art. How long until you guys noticed you were beilng taken seriously?
>>2592792
You "forgot" to resize and rotate...
Why so many people can't read the mother post?
>>2592802
Forgot the imagine.
>>2592776
How hard is your pencil? If it's too hard, you'll have trouble with values because your value range is really limited, in which case charcoal would indeed make things easier. You might also try getting some white pencils for highlights and drawing on grey paper - having your drawing surrounded by pure white can make it pretty hard to figure out if you're getting the values right.
> Also, i felt like i was just aimlessly drawing shapes ...
Did you think about what shapes? Start out constructing your image out of simple shapes like cylinders and boxes and spheres before you add any detail. If you're having trouble with that step, you might want to try drawing something that has a simpler shape, like a can of soda rather than, say, a pile of laundry.
But yeah, it'll get better with practice.
>>2592778
>>2592781
Both have their place. Rather than "shitty, small" drawings, your fast drawings should focus on capturing the essence of the movement and the overall proportions, rather than getting the details right, while longer studies are good for learning anatomical details like how gravity shapes a lying figure.
>>2592814
I think it might really be too hard. I have some grey paper and white pencils at home. I'll give that a try and else head out to get some charcoal instead.
I didn't mean shapes like cubes, spheres and cylinders. More the shape of the shaded and highlighted areas. I probably just went over my skill-level. I'll stick to the real basics again. Might first need to train my wrists and shoulders to do the movements i want them to do on verx basic stuff.
Thanks so much for your help! It's really aprecciated.
>>2592820
I tried again on black paper and it really was easier! Thanks for the helpfull ideas, anon.
I drew from life for the very first time. Please don't hold back with constructive critique. I did this mainly to practice to draw what i see and to work with values and shapes more than outlines.
I hope my pic won't be sideways or way too big
>>2592871
This was my life reference
>>2592877
Forgot pic. Also, something seems off with the proportions/angles of the handle. I couldn't quiet figure out what
>>2592560
thanks
>>2592871
>>2592882
Thought it was pretty decent value-wise until I saw the reference and it turned out it wasn't supposed to be a glass object. You made the contrast between highlights and midtones way too stark (when drawing on black paper, you should only leave the paper blank in the absolute darkest spot), and you're missing a big ol' splotch of light on the right side where the sun hits it.
That said, good job!
Shape-wise, it looks like you made the handle too fat, and the lip of the opening is a lot more wobbly than it looks to be in the reference.
>>2592814
Thanks for clearing that up for me man,
>>2592917
Yes, i thought it was way too dark when i uploaded it. I'll try to improve that the next time.
The higlights are different from what i saw whilst painting because i held my phone up to get a pic.
I'll do it again when i'm home and focus on the handle/opening and getting the values more correct
Thanks a lot!
Trying different style
>>2592776
Stick with pencil, and read a book from the sticky and draw what it's teaching you.
>>2592792
When you start finishing your drawings. Not bad so far though.
>>2592965
I tries to concentrate on shadows in this one. Is there a contradiction in shadows?
>>2592965
>>2592972
>>2592597
The Milky Way version is on New Masters Academy, but he does a drawing with a girl scout cookie here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ4NsCqZ_T4
As a beginner, I've tackled:
Symbol drawing
Line quality (scratch scratch)
Basic shapes: Cone, Cylinder, Sphere, Box, Pyramid.
Perspective.
Value & Lighting.
Naturally, they are all still at a beginner level and simply churning out random beginner studies isn't helping my progression. Everything still needs improvement, but I'm not sure what I need to do break this barrier.
I'm determined to remain in this learning fundamentals level, but I feel that I'm in a rut in terms of how I'm learning (practicing same techniques without learning something new).
I'm still doing still life studies, breaking down complex objects for construction, attempting to apply what I've learned of perspective etc.
Still, I feel I'm in a beginner rut. What do I do? (I'm NOT ready for bridgman-type books)
should i be concerned about matching Loomis' drawings exactly? with how i've seen others draw i figure these books should just be general guidelines for 3D shapes(i.e. a head is not a circle) and proportion. like i've been making this too hard for myself
ch-check it
Where do you start when you draw faces? What are the first construction lines you put down?
>>2593101
a circle. not a sphere, a circle.
i'm still working on turning circles into spheres. shit's harder than it looks.
>>2593101
First the general shape of the head (usually a sphere with a jaw attached, but for more cartoonish characters, I vary it up), then a line from one eye to the other, and a line down the center.
>>2593121
Any tips for the jaw? I can draw the sphere and stuff fine but my proportions and overall shape of the jaw always seem to be off.
>>2593127
Study jaws and then draw them.
>>2593127
Sorry man, jaws aren't exactly my strong point.
But try looking up low-poly faces from videogames, those might help you simplify.
>>2593127
i had a similar problem, the issue was that i was oversimplifying the jaw. it's a mandible (draw some skulls) with a fat pad on each side (on the masseter [sp?]) that connects to the upper torso through a whole shitton of muscles (most importantly the sternocleidomastoid which tucks behind the ear from the clavicle)
evolution is an overengineering cunt.
>>2593137
this is a solid tip, but brush up on your understanding first so you can pinpoint exactly which details the artists glossed over
>>2593064
If you look at the preface for Figure Drawing, he says himself you should be trying to understand the mechanisms he's describing, rather than simply reproducing the exact figures, but the proportions of muscles and stuff are important to know.
>>2592991
Thanks. Wasn't as hilarious as I expected.
>>2593070
>>2590592
Postan.
>>2593201
You using any ref for this? Pretty decent either way. Your lines are pretty shitty tho. Try using a tilted brush that's what helped me.
>>2592972
>>2592965
Pretty cool. Shadows seem fine.
>>2592739
Even if you copy his work you will gain a lot from that so go for it.
>>2593216
No ref. Will try out a tilted brush, thanks for the hint
I tried to do a landscape from imagination
turns out I didn't know what the fuck I was doing
had fun though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG7z4pa6QLY
I did some hatching.
>>2593221
look a the small thumbnail. not smooth.
>>2593221
Do you have a value scale for each pattern/stroke? Its really helpful when trying to make a smooth transition.
>>2593201
Am I even on the right track
>>2593246
Not really. Look up the planes of the face.
>>2593201
too stiff.
>>2593262
fucking hell man, it looks like you drew this in 5 minutes and it looks a million times better than mine.. thank you very much for helping out, but boy oh boy does that make one sad.
>>2593262
Wasn't he already posed like that, except mirrored?
