Arya edition
Because we should not have to make new threads or post in draw threads with our fundamental exercises.
Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make your mom proud.
AVOID asking unrelated questions, there is a question thread for that.
Do not forget to PLEASE RESIZE and crop your images before uploading them. 1kpx is fine.
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There's a new sticky in town! You can see it at:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VfDTpLLVl5bWUGWguswKpPFml533luI8-NBd1EGYHnA/edit
>Thread study: Try to draw/paint the opening or any other following images.
Feel free to post your original works as well if you're trash.
TRY TO BE MORE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - many studies are left unreplied, which is a bit sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.
Old thread: >>2584610
>>2587956
im saving this op.
I can't draw when other people are around: I'm shit! I understand the learning process, but others won't. Not even around my family! I just freeze up when someone's around. Really sucks because we don't have a big place.
Anyone else an insecure piece of shit?
>>2587956
Sauce on ref?
We should all study this
Can anyone help me understand values and painting?
Posting here
R8 m8
Copies from a pic on pinterest
>>2587977
They say that you get used to it.
>>2587986
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5zVFlMQZEs
>>2587964
Ill paint this later. Maybe.
>>2587956
>that OP
too cruel, too cruel
>>2588005
reminds me of the dad in dont hug me im scared
>>2588014
Do you actually know of a good resizing method?
Is there one in photoshop export?
Tried to map out the value edges of that lucian freud painting
>>2587989
>R8
Nope, resize. I'm not gonna scroll through your huge image to see what's wrong with it.
But screw it I'll give you crit anyway (from the thumbnail) it doesn't read well, can't tell where the arm is, don't understand why the other leg is missing, and why did you take your picture with such awful lighting?
>>2588018
ctrl+alt+i in photoshop. resize your canvas to something reasonable and save a copy for posting purposes. 1K max on a side is more than enough for almost the entirety of posters in this thread
>>2588066
She is rising a wolf that i didn't drawed, tht is why she is missing a leg
To see the arm you would have to open the image
I'm a lazy fatass that took that pic with his cellphone and i don't have an image editing app here
Hope that answers your qstions, anon!
>>2588074
2 Simple solutions for your laziness anon to easily resize without needing image editing app
#1)
>screenshot the image
>post that instead
#2)
>change camera capture settings to something smaller
Your phone should be able to do at least one of these.
>>2588078
I added more contrast to make it look better, but now it look dirty
>>2588086
OK, thanks anon. Here's crit for you: in your drawing you can see her spine going up from her pelvis, the lumbar and thoracic vertabrae, yet her arm and shoulders are massively torqued in the opposite direction. You are also showing her book on the opposite side. Frankly you can't have such a pose. Try taking another piece of paper, put it over your drawing, and trace out her pelvis ribcage abd spine. I'm on my phone otherwise I'd do it for you, or perhaps some other helpful anon will do it.
>>2588091
>boob
Not book
What do you guys think of Harding's Lessons on Drawing? Seems to me like a bunch of really, really boring and monotonous shit on how to draw geometric shapes. But, what do I know?
Anyone ever went through it?
Am I just retarded?
>>2588116
>fuck massive image
yes, we don't need an image that is larger than most people's monitors
>>2587956
>tfw I can even see how they came with that result
if I fuck up too much I might just draw shit like that too D:
>>2588118
woops, didn't pay attention to the resolution
>>2588116
This is actually really cute, just your whole post. I want to take you under my wing and teach you the ways, I think at your level I could actually teach you well.
>>2588116
No anon, no. There's only a simple answer, and that's practice drawing basic shapes first.
Your strokes need to be more confident. Drawing a lot of boxes and ellipses will help that a lot. Also, you can tell probably that you are not used to holding a pencil for drawing purposes.
>>2588150
i think they look great you have interesting linework. paint away anon
>>2587998
plz actually put down some value, you may think the "nothing but the core shadow" looks cool but it just looks like he's smeared with dirt
also certain parts aren't even real plotted shadows, just blotches on spots that are next to lighter areas (e.g. his cheek). for values to look good they need to be consistent. super super important.
basically this is some 'muh style' shit that normies would fuckin love but it's really just lack of form/value/construction skill
Trying to do a study of a baby seal. What in God's name is wrong with the placement of facial features
![IMG_0294[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/BSbwsPT.jpg "IMG_0294[1].jpg")
I think I'm liking this painting so far
>>2588178
after doing this i have still have no fucking idea. i think you the perspective off though
>>2588167
i agree with the consistency. im honestly trying really hard to get it all down, but my eyes not developed all the way and i have some kind of learning disability or someshit when it comes to memorizing value ranges.
its NOT a style, thats all im trying to say.
>>2588184
Did you design that creature in your painting? I like it too.
is this book good for a beginner? Or do I need mandatory Loomis.
>>2588195
Another thing to keep in mind anon. Lucians edges in that portrait were created by huge amounts of impasto, just something to keep in mind. It looks that way in great part because it was painted a specific way using a physical medium.
>>2588204
stop worrying about finding the best approach and just draw
>>2588208
t h i s @ all of /ic/
>>2588205
That's really useful knowledge. How'd you come across that? Did you study his stuff too?
>>2587967
I mixed a llama and chloe for this piece JUST
>>2587966
playing around with mischief, it's got some pretty cool brushes
>>2587302
keep perspective always in mind
master study wip.
>>2587957
You got me.
>>2588276
Post original famalam
>>2587986
Perhaps this will help.
>>2588276
jug looks asymmetrical and the arm resting on it doesn't look attached to the body
post original
>>2588251
You need to move your camera so that it's directly above the center of the paper before you take the shot.
Alright watched Jazza's breast videos and I think I am getting the hang of it. Just spend two hours drawing boobs on his practice sheets. I think I have the most trouble the bigger the breasts get. Also I can't seem to get nipples right. Any insight?
>>2588116
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk
I wanna do lips studies but I have no decent lips tutorials that aren't stylized
Anyone wanna share theirs?
>>2588312
The nipples look fine to me anon. That video is pretty hilarious though.
>>2588312
Stop following Jazza, He's Prime-cut Grade-A Mediocrity at its best.
Do you really want to learn to draw boobs from the guy who thinks this is what they look like?
Posted it on the older thread, r8 pls
>>2588312
This is all kinds of terrible, you're not going to learn anything from this
You need to do studies from models, photos, or anatomically correct drawings from figure construction and anatomical art reference. All you're doing here is guessing and tacking flat symbols to a torso without actually understanding it.
Get a photograph of a chicks tits and draw them accurately. Use value and line to convey form. That's how you learn to draw tits. If you can't draw accurately and you can't portray form you have more immediate concerns than drawing breasts.
>>2588321
>>2588321
There's symbol drawing and general inaccuracy
Work on copying simple things accurately, as they appear. If you can't copy the shapes and forms of something exactly as you see it, you can't study it. Do something easier than a figure.
Any advice would be appreciated thanks :)
>>2588321
another one i did before
>>2588329
i try to tweak or change things like the bodytype, I thought it could make me understand the body more efficiently
>>2588338
The bellybutton is level with the hips.
>>2587956
PERFECT
And this is what happens when I don't do a study for two months and half ass everything. I just cant be assed to put any effort into something I don't want to draw.
>>2588116
Hahahahaha no, just keep working at it nigga.
>>2588375
Then draw something you do want to draw. Idiot.
>>2588375
read the sticky
>>2588375
I think you are making excuses.
>>2588375
please god read keys to drawing
also there's so many dynamic things going on with that picture that makes it so hard to do a study of properly
>i didnt want to do this study so that's why it's shit
Is using guide lines a crutch? Like the ones you'd see in how to draw books?
R8?
>>2588375
not gonna make it
>>2588386
You mean tracing? Then yes. If you mean construction then no.
what have I done, brothers?
>>2588410
i noticed as I was scrolling by
>>2587956
>But which one is the reference?
>>2588415
whoops, it seems I have done a draw of the symbol
>>2588291
>>2588299
i'm pretty dumb sometimes
>>2588306
yea sorry, I need to work on my camera setup and lighting.
>>2588329
Unrelated to the image but how do you tell whats symbol drawing? Sounds like a catch all term
>>2588471
I would also like to know this since I see it thrown around so much.
>>2588150
Don't be a jerk anon.
drew myself in the mirror, any tips?
>>2587956
I want to get into drawing coo/weird alien things. I dont have to have one of those super amazing renders methods, I just want to draw cool things and have fun. How/Where do I start?
>>2588520
read the sticky
>>2588336
practice drawing faces without symbol drawing
Is this composition good enough to start rendering?
>>2588663
Try flipping the picture so the men go from the right onto the bridge instead of from the left.
>>2588448
well looking at the original it seems your jug is fine, but the arm is still a problem
the shoulder is way too low -- it should be almost in line with the lip of the jug. the forearm is horizontal and it meets with the upper arm behind the neck of the jug. this is why people emphasize drawing through the form.
that's what immediately jumped out at me as looking wrong.
Here's new anatomy practice. Thoughts?
>>2588465
>Eyes too far apart
>Don't be afraid to use grey and black on hair
>Nose needs another line, it looks like nostril is connected to the front
I like the lips thought
More anatomy practice
Tell me the happenings inside your brain when you look at my drawing, please.
>>2588676
There, looks good now?
I kinda feel like all the spiky rocks pointing right needs a counterbalance, but I don't know.
>>2587956
This OP had me laughing for a whole 2 minutes
>>2588471
>>2588491
Symbol drawing is when you don't draw something as it actually appears, and instead draw an inaccurate 'symbol' to represent it
It's like when kids draw hearts as an upside-down peach, or eyes as sideways ovals. Those things don't look like that, but in your head you say 'good enough'. When you do a study, you have to copy the shapes and forms exactly. You can't cut corners and guess, you can't draw something that doesn't look like the real picture.
It's difficult when you're just beginning, but if you read the sticky and work through the beginners books in there, you will learn how to measure things by eye properly.
It happens the most with faces because of the way we process them. We don't see the structures and forms intuitively, it has to be learned. This is why beginners should be doing studies of simple forms and objects, with more easily observable shapes, instead of complex humans. This helps you to look for line, distance, angle, negative shape, teaching you the proper comparative measurement skills.
>>2588493
Don't listen to this idiot
Weeb here. I'm going for a loose and energetic freefall kind of pose but I'm really struggling with how to position her legs.
>>2588769
Character is Luluco from Space Patrol Luluco.
>>2588157
feet are shit, but your getting there. You'll not be able to call yourself a beginner anymore soon.
>>2588721
a doodle you spent too much time on
draw draw draw draw
>>2588769
You're bending the legs forward too much. It's OK to exaggerate the gesture, but you're not doing it anywhere else. By comparison the torso looks stiff and the arms are too straight, whereas the poses in your reference are built with mostly C and S curves.
Go look at a bunch of pictures of people falling and jumping or whatever, draw on top of them if you have to and try to simplify the gesture using only curves.
5 mins spent on each one, first time properly trying to study anatomy
>>2588199
Thanks, yeah I designed the creature.
>>2588796
If an exaggerated gesture kind of drawing is what I'm going for, how would I exaggerate the arms and torso?
>>2588769
Stay away from anime until you've learned how to draw. You can't stylize reality unless you can understand reality.
Read the sticky, practice drawing simple objects and shapes cleanly and accurately and work on training your eye and your mechanical dexterity. Practice your lines and ellipses, always draw clean and slow. Work through Keys to drawing and do the upside down Stravinsky exercise. Draw objects in front of you, get vases and fruits and shit, very important practice that every shitter skips.This is the stage where you learn how to apply value to create form, and about basic perspective.
Once you can copy an image reasonably accurately move on to figure instruction from Loomis, Hampton, Bridgman, Hogarth, and Vilppu. Do Jeff Watt's online stuff if you have money to burn. Learn proportion by applying the various mannequins to photo reference and memorizing landmarks. You'll also want to do many, many Loomis head lay-ins, asaro heads, skull studies, and cast studies of facial features. Jeff Watt's facial abstraction too.
Once you've got a handle on that you can dip your toes into more in depth-anatomical study and gesture drawing. Once you grasp the real human form you can begin to play with altered proportions and stylized anatomy.
That's how you draw Luluco
>>2588798
This is not how you study anatomy
>>2588798
It's a good start.
>>2587956
that looks like van gogh without beard
>>2588507
Eyes are well constructed so good job on that. Ear looks like ass though, mostly symbol
>>2588663
I didn't even notice the men on the close bottom left until I read the first reply. My eyes were drawn to that ugly castle island (it is ugly) and didnt mover at all. Too much constraint there and not enough on the important parts. And again, the castle is ugly af
>>2588798
LOL
>>2588831
You know, I recognize I'm a shitter artist but I don't think someone spent years at art school to draw this crap.
>>2588856
Sorry *contrast instead of constraint
>>2588798
How do you study anatomy by copying 5 minute figures blindly before you understand the static form? Seems like a waste if time
>>2588791
A polished turd. Face is sloppy as hell and you disguise that by using a fancy overlay texture on the final product.
It does work, had me fooled until I looked right, but it's dishonest if you're trying to actually learn and not sell something
How do i know where to put the horizon lines, the vanishing points ?
I get how 2 or 3 point perspective works, but how do I avoid having something like pic rel ?
Everything is distorted, because I placed the points randomly. How do I know where to place them ?
>>2588876
Sketch first, plot the perspective later. It should be a tool to help you draw more accurately, not a grid that you must follow before even starting the drawing itself.
>>2588858
Those little cartoons simple and easy to draw, but they are made by artists who have been drawing long before you were born. They understand more fundamentals then you do and are capable of manipulating them into those whacky anime girls you know and love into appealing shapes and forms.
>>2588157
Nice study, but you're missing the vibrancy of the reflected light in the shadows. That's what gives the image its glowing effect.
>>2588905
that's not an advice
reading a book won't solve problems just like that
>>2587958
i don't know what i'm doing
>>2588731
I did a quick paint over, here are some things to think about.
The scale of that formation is'nt really clear, try to read more on perspective. I fixed up the composition by using the Rule of thirds, google the term and look up videos on it.
I like that you separated the values well but you should push your range of values.
Good luck on your future drawings.
>>2588876
Probably can't help you much but this is what I'm doing to solve the problem you have-
Draw something, then figure out where the vanishing points for that thing are. Make sure everything else you draw after that initial thing matches those vanishing points.
You say you understand 2 and 3 point perspective, so this shouldn't be too hard. You an just arbitrarily decide where the horizon and vanishing points go based on the first item you draw. If it's too hard to do something complex just put a box as the first item in your scene, determine the horizon line and vanishing points on the box, and have all further items conform to those reference points. If you are working digitally it's easy enough to remove that box and the perspective lines and everything on a separate layer.
>>2588858
Many manga artists are very good artists in general, it's just hidden behind deceptively simple designs. The more you learn, the more you start to see little intricacies in manga, things about facial structure you wouldn't have noticed, anatomical details that are just barely indicated but make a huge difference, proper application of perspective, foreshortening and value, etc. If it really were as easy as you're assuming it is, Deviantart wouldn't be full of horrifying jank and people who just try to draw 'anime' for years and years without ever learning anything or getting better.
You don't have to go to art school to learn the things I talked about in that post, it's all easily accessible online and in books, you just have to put the time in to learning and understanding it.
>>2588936
Not the person who made the original, but you really fixed 90% of what was wrong with the composition with your edit. Nice
>>2588858
They did.
>>2587960
i guess this is a gesture? i don't really know how to progress from this point
so you copy first then invent your own stuff right
this is how studying is be?
>>2589054
Define the shapes and begin to use form and construction coupled with whatever knowledge of anatomy you may have to add onto your base.
>>2589054
Read 'Force' by Michael Mattesi, the section on gesture at the start of Hampton's figure invention book, and the section on gesture in Vilppu's book.
>>2588923
worked on the value a bit
>>2589070
>>2589090
thanks anons
>>2588689
thanks for the redline anon! And they say /ic/'s fulll of shit.
>>2589184
those are blue lines
>>2587958
Trying to get better with proportion and blocking things in quicker.
I'm trying to work on shading and lighting stuff. Any tips/critiques?
>>2589215
>5312x2988
wew
>>2589215
>2.38 MB, 5312x2988
for what purpose
>>2589227
>not opening in new tab
>>2589215
Why are you signing your studies
>>2589230
Took it with my phone, not sure the settings.
>>2589239
Mostly for dating.
alright, so i tried to do a realistic "study" but i wanted to make the portrait look like a character of mine. (who has different hair color and slightly different features) now i don't know if that's a good idea, and i don't even know if this counts as a "study" since it's not an attempt at making the facial features look exactly the same.
this is my first attempt at realism ever, and i'd really like some sort of critique. for the record, in the future, i'm not planning on changing the features to look like someone else for my studies. i'm going to go for full accuracy. this is just an experiment but i think it gets the idea across okay.
what are some things that i should focus on?
>>2587956
>>2589215
Spend longer on the next one, this is a mess. Avoid any inclination towards making shitty squiggles and scratchy marks. Apply an even tone and keep your edges clean. Be more careful measuring your lay-in, the right side of your face is skewed, your mouth is too low, etc. Spots on the chin and jaw are too dark. Ears are lazy. Nose isn't structured properly. Eye sockets shouldn't be black pits. Do you have a reference?
>>2589252
>tried a realistic study but
No, just do the work, it really isn't hard
>>2589258
what do you even mean by that. i did the work, right? i completed something and i'm wanting to see if there's any specific areas to improve. elaborate please.
>>2587958
well fuck me
I suck. I've "failed" the DrawABox lessons 1-3. I try to move on, but I keep having to revisit drawing basic shapes, form, perspective, and whatnot. It all still sucks.
I think I've just moved past symbol drawing using Betty's Right Side of the Brain. I'm sooooooo bored and still so bad. Do I keep repeating Lesson 1 from DrawABox forever? Which book should I be using now?
>>2589305
What do you mean, "failed"?
Are you having trouble with drawing straight lines, or with visualizing 3d forms? I had a lot of trouble with visualizing construction but if you keep trying you'll eventually get better at it.
Are you trying to rush through? Don't. Play around with each lesson until you get comfortable with it. Keep experimenting and try different approaches, don't worry about getting a "perfect" page down.
I know it sucks, but it gets way more fun after you really make it through lesson 1 and 2.
>>2588264
more shit. tried drawing a version of that creepy baby headed spider thing from toy story that used to be in my nightmares as a kid
paper plane yeaaa !
>>2589305
DrawABox stinks.
>>2589327
moar paper plane
>>2589327
>>2589329
Another master study (Leyendecker)
>>2589337
Original piece
>>2589305
>I try to move on, but I keep having to revisit drawing basic shapes, form, perspective, and whatnot. It all still sucks.
Yes, this is normal and you will be in this state for a long time, it also is going to happen every time you try to learn something new, better get used to that feeling.
>>2587961
I think I nailed the face but everything else looks wrong. I think I choose a perspective that I'm not skilled enough for yet...
>>2587964
quick sketch with almost no safety net.
>>2589373
>Nailed the face
No you didn't. It doesn't even look like that "face" belongs to that head. And that head doesn't belong to that body. And that body shouldn't exist.
>scratchy lines
>attempt at anatomy.
I'm seeing a huge disconnect.
>>2588507
Not bad. Ear needs work. Keep it up, you're doing great.
>>2589347
If you can REALLY visualize 3d forms, you shouldn't be drawing flat shapes. But don't get me wrong, it's really hard, so you won't be able to get it right away. He also doesn't really do a great job explaining contour lines.
Here's a little demo I found:
http://creativeformsketching.blogspot.com/2015/02/here-are-few-sheets-outlining-process.html
Try just sketching different organic forms with contours, just play around. Then keep trying the intersection exercises since that's where you really work on 3d visualization.
You can also just try drawing leaves (exercise 3) and experiment with having them fold and droop around in different ways. It made my head hurt and was slow going, but I think it helped.
>>2589305
Hang in there. I struggled with that too. Two books helped me: Drawing Atelier by Jon deMartin and Fundamentals of Drawing by Vladimir Mogilevtsev. The latter helped a lot. The Russians really hammer in the planes, which helped me understand 3d form better.
>>2589379
Alright, I'm doing another attempt, and I've been trying to kick the horrible scratchy line habit that I have for some time now.
R8 my goku sketch
> drew this while bored
>>2589347
>Why?
It's a version of VisCom 1 written by a guy who took the course twice and decided he knew enough to teach it. The guy is not a qualified educator, nor is he a particularly impressive artist.
The worst thing about it is that it discourages beginners from actual drawing until they've spent hours filling pages with straight lines, boxes, and cylinders. That leads people to the conclusion that you've reached -- that they've failed and they can't move on until they master the tedious aspects of drawing. A great way to discourage people from drawing.
Besides being free and nicely presented it really doesn't have much going for it. If you want the material just get the Dynamic Sketching/VisCom lectures.
>>2588940
So basing the drawing on one element?
Let's say I draw a tower, without perspective or anything, after that I do the whole grid thing, correct and fix the tower of needed, and keep drawing while using the tower as main element of the perspective?
>>2589341
To be honest I feel like those proportions already give personality. I wouldn't call it a mistake unless he was going for technical practice
Decided to actually attempt to start a book for beginners. I'm at the eye part but didn't have a mirror for I drew asian eyes instead. Hair and eyebrows was something I added for the hell of it.
>>2588876
plot the perspective for a few hundred photos and you'll get it right away
Also don't listen to the guy telling you to do perspective later, it's easier to decide on your perspective first and construct everything from it.
>>2589495
>Decided to actually attempt to start a book for beginners
>Is a beginner.
Dude, don't spread misinformation. What I see so far isn't that good, and your approach is very unfriendly for beginner people. Please, just spend some more months or years before you approach a "teacher" level, which you absolutely are not on.
>>2589537
What? I know I'm a beginner hence why I said I was actually gonna attempt to read said book. What don't you understand?
>>2589540
Ah - Sorry mate, it's just that you wrote it in a weird way. Thought you were gonna make a book for beginners.
Just pick better photos that have better values to work on.
>>2588731
senpai everything in this image points my eye out of it and to the close button on my browser window
Also you have a ton of values leftover, use it to push the castle further back in the distance, also redo your perspective
Actually you should just draw it again
>>2589540
i think what this anon meant to say is you shouldn't focus on details like eyes so much to start with. there are more basic stuff you need to get under your belt first. like, yknow, anatomy and stuff
Literally an absolute beginner here.. yes I know the right side was done completely wrong..
>I read the sticky
>>2589555
>forgot picture
>>2589397
Pls rate
>>2589544
Working with colors was something I used to be good at. About 8 years ago I was really into making those Graphic Signatures on forums.
>>2589558
Values > colors. And your values are off. Fix your values, then work with your colors ( or do both, but focus on values more than colors).
>>2589555
>>2589556
You are doing what's called chicken scratching. You draw using short little strokes. I prescribe you drawabox™ for better line confidence. It also dwelves into basic perspective and construction which will be essential in your further journey as an artist since everything can be simplified to boxes, cylinders and spheres. Being able to draw them correctly in perspective and knowing how they interact with each other is quite fundamental.
You can keep doing Betty Edwards, but do drawabox on the side
>>2589568
Thanks, I appreciate the actual advice and not just slating my terrible attempt at drawing. I used to doodle in class but never anything serious. I'll try to kick the chicken scratching and make my lines more defined
>>2588936
Wow this is amazingly helpful. I'm pretty new to composition so my head had come to a complete stop in what to do with it further. This will really stick with me, thanks man.
>>2589545
>>2588856
Thanks, I can kinda see that something isn't right. Must be hones tho and say that my untrained eyes can't figure out exactly whats wrong with the perspective, I'll try to find out with some perspective lines and a grid when I redraw. I'll also practice more with values.
Wait those 30 second scribbles everyone is doing is actually an important part of figure drawing? That shits crazy.
>>2589374
Construction isn't a safety net, it is a necessary part of the process.
>>2589612
>implies no erasing
>anon implies something that'll win him internet points with the community
yea, construction is cool yo, but I wanted to see how my line control would be and how well I could reproduce an image while contour drawing. I also drew >>2588464 but didn't get any feedback so I thought I'd draw a little looser to see if anyone was gonna have a critique my fundamentals (the other did take quite a while, and time can compensate for skills a bit).
Oh well, guess no news is good news.
I'm trying to draw medusa in the American traditional style. What should I fix before inking?
>>2589642
Fuck my entire life. I always have problems with the god damn orientation
>>2589590
composition is really simple, just point the shapes to what you want the viewer to see. You control all the shapes so it's just a matter of consciously doing it
as for perspective, even pros always draw out rough perspective lines for environments, you can't just freestyle this crap
>>2589638
Don't skip the fundies please
>>2588689
Well if the jug's body is supposed to be spherical and the neck comes out radially, as it looks like in the original, yours is kinda fucked up: it looks skewed. You have to understand that in the original the jug is tipped towards the spectator and to the left; not pointing straight up.
So is going for mechanical skill first and only proceeding to obesrvation and construction once I got that down a viable approach or do most people DO EVERYTHING at once?
>>2589651
Yeah I've watched a ton of tutorials and studied movie stills, it just haven't sunk in properly yet. Being reminded of what I've learned in relation to my own work is very helpful to permanently memorize it and build it into my subconscious rather than just watching others.
>>2589668
If you learn construction and observation before you start fiddling with the technical you will develop your artistic skills at the same time as you develop your understanding of the tools. You will also end up trying to find shortcuts around every challenge, which is a very good way to dig yourself into a hole.
>>2589638
>Implying i gave you advice to get internet points
Anyway if you say "crit me" when you post your image it's more likely someone will reply.
1st-Reference photo, taken from study thread.
2nd-Scan of my drawing
3rd-A little more contrast, so you will see lines more clearly.
Wouldn't it be good idea for begginers(like me) to modify front face view references foto, by coping one side of photo to the other side, so face will be symmetrical. With symmetrical face, begginers will learn how to make exact same lines and objects.
>>2589701
No, what you need to do is draw a couple million boxes.
>>2589701
oh dear
>>2589577
You're going to have trouble doing nice lines, but it's important that you force yourself to try to do it anyways, it's the only way to learn. Draw from your shoulder, don't try to do everything with your wrist.
Try to find some blank paper if you can, you really don't want to be practicing on lined paper.
If you're not working through Keys to Drawing already, I highly recommend that as a beginner's book.
>>2589701
No, because that's not what you're supposed to be learning, and you would get nothing out of that but dexterity, which is better gotten through exercises meant for it.
In all honesty, you should be working on something better suited to a beginner, why these beginner threads are full of nothing but figures and portraits is a fucking mystery. Do a still life drawing, work through Keys to Drawing and Right Side of the Brain, slow down and just try to focus on directly and accurately copying the shapes you see.
Try drawing an apple, or a tissue box or something. Don't be lazy about it either, take your time and get the shapes down exactly as they are.
>>2589607
To be fair, if you're doing them right they shouldn't just look like scribbles
what does it mean when you never get a reply to anything you post on the beginner thread?
>>2589720
either you're too good for the beginner thread, or you're too shit for the beginner thread
>>2589714
Thanks for detailed answer.
It is more pleasure to draw portraits and figures of people, and maybe that is why those are so common in beginner threads.
>>2589495
Alright, I don't know what the other reply is about but whatever
Using a photo isn't really the best, because the book is trying to get you to learn how to draw things you're looking at without drawing symbols, and that's more difficult with photos because they're flat. Use them if you need to, but keep that in mind. It also just so happens that the eyes in the picture you painted are inaccurate symbols. Draw the shapes of things exactly, EXACTLY as you see them. Really slow down and look, measure, look for negative shapes, look at angles, drop plumb lines, really focus on getting the real shapes of what you're drawing layed in.
Just stick to line. Stay away from paint and colour until your drawing is up to speed. You're adding huge layers of complexity you don't want to deal with yet.
>>2589720
I usually won't reply to something if it's obvious the person can figure it out on their own and they aren't pushing themselves to do it, or they're too vague about what they're working on and they post a picture that isn't a study that can be critiqued.
If you just doodle shit, or invent things for fun and post them without any real directed learning goal (ex. practicing lay-ins from photo reference, figure mannequin studies, still life practice), no one is going to really be able to help you, because you aren't learning anything.
But yeah, generally if the drawing is just really, really awful even for a beginner and it's obvious that the person didn't even try to do an exercise or read the sticky. They're just lazy and they want their hand held, there's no point.
How exactly do you "wrap around" the form of the eye around the eyeball?
I feel like the right arm is maybe too short?
The rest seems fine to me, but I would like to know if there is something wrong
>>2589802
get a ball, draw on it
is it normal that you get exhausted from drawing very fast if you are new to it? does your stamina get better with time?
Hi! i'm new here. Suggestions?
>>2589851
that's better.
now you should also read the sticky. there's a ton of usefull information for people just starting out. it looks like you have been drawing for a while, but you don't have the fundamentals down. you need them first to really get good at drawing.
>>2589851
flash me
>>2589853
Thank you very much,honey. I'll check
>>2589851
tits or gtfo
>>2589857
>honey
oh dear. stop attention whoring here, pls
>>2589865
Excuse me? I'm just trying to be nice.
>>2589874
not trying to be mean (k, that attnetion whoring comment was mean, sorry bout that), but /ic/ is not about being a girl or not and you calling me "honey" makes it more than abvious you're a girl. and usually, if someone has to make that point without it contributing to the topic it's some form of attentiont whoring. just telling you because it won't get you any good girl points on here.
>>2589874
flash me
put a sharpie in your butt
masturbate while thinking about me
call me your daddy
let me call you mommy
finger my ass while you suck my dick
let me eat the shitnuggets out of your ass
>>2589881
Don't worry.Got it, i'm sorry for it. Good Afternoon.
>>2589881
tips fedora*
>>2589556
hey anon, i just started with the basics too. i'm doing that flipped picasso atm. are you interested in going trough the next steps (i'm going to read "keys of drawing" next and do the exercises) together?
>>2589889
i-ill go trough them with you
maybe you could do some private skype art modeling for me babby?
>>2589895
i-i just wanted someone to flash me
i dont care about the whole upside down drawing
i think its a stupid exercise anyway
>>2589896
go to soc or b then... my god, anon. get your shit together.
>>2589898
no
i may not have much self respect but ill never sink that low
>>2589900
flash me
I'm globally happy with the proportions, but there is something with the arms. They don't feel right
>>2589901
Point is you already have thats why people are bringing it up idiot
Something very wrong with this...
>>2588014
Open in a new tab m8, it's a pain in the ass to resize images when you have to take a pic of your sketchbook w your phone. 4chan does the work for you when you open in a new tab
>>2587989
She either has 4 tits or her two are pushed way to the right side of her rib cage
>>2588032
Volgin?
