what do I study if I want to get good at perspective and lineart?
>>2319161
Study perspective and lineart, it will help you.
>>2319165
This.
What do I need to study to be nearly as good as Inoue Kiyoshiro?
>>2319222
Fundamentals, read the sticky, don't limit yourself to weeb art
>>2319222
You need to move to Japan and pray to Izanigga to grant you the power to draw at the cost of having to fight onis every day
>kiyoshirou
くやしい feeling, man
>>2319222
>google search name
>same typical weeb symbol shit seen a dime a dozen in drawn jap porn.
I'll never understand how faggots are impressed with this shit.
>>2319442
Probably because you are not a very good artist to begin with and lack all the understanding of fundamentals that people with actual skill immediately recognize when they see his art?
>>2319450
Nice projection, faggot. I'm shitting on the stylization choices, not the fundamentals displayed. You can get the same display of fundamentals from other artists that aren't so heavy in boring typical weeb style trash. You can keep your shit taste.
>>2319442
>>2319454
Watch your tongue son, Inoue is national treasure.
You just need 2 FUNCTIONING EYES to see why he is not your average H-artist.
>>2319461
>he is not your average H-artist.
>H-artist
And that's your problem. H-art is the last place you should be looking for quality work. Pornfags have the WORST taste in art.
>>2319463
shut the fuck up faggot
i bet you make bland polished turds like every other ic elitist.
Dont respond to the tumblr shitstain, theres already a thread in which people are discussing inoue kiyoshirou
>>2309798
>>2319466
Fuck off back to your containment thread, faggot. >>2313410
Maybe the people there will be wowed since all pornfags ever know is shit taste.
>>2319461
I mean it's better than whatever /ic/ has on its draw thread
>>2319161
Trains
>>2319454
>I'm shitting on the stylization choices
Which means that you are a no-talent and no-skill loser.
As long as the fundamentals are solid the choices of stylization are basically irrelevant to judge the quality of a piece of work.
I notice it's mostly the low quality napoleon-dynamite-esque losers who draw MtG style fantasy shit that are most afraid of japanese comics.
>>2319509
>Which means that you are a no-talent and no-skill loser.
No it means I appreciate styles that aren't lazy as fuck and pretend faces have next to no features or dimension to them. The pic you posted is a perfect fucking example of my point. Only autistic weebs obsess over that shit or think it's ideal or appealing when it's boring as piss and a dime a dozen. Most anime stylizations, mainly the popular/trendy ones, are trash.
>>2319511
>lazy as fuck
>faces no features/dimension
Is that all you have to point out?
I dont want you backpedalling after I bring a real argument. Come on, try to find as many flaws, try as hard as you can, anon.
>>2319521
Maximum kek. No one's backpedaling. Those stylization choices are lazy as fuck and appeal to /a/utism. I'd much rather be looking at KJG's work than the trash you posted if I'm going to be looking at anything remotely weeb. You don't have a leg to stand on.
>>2319161
Not praising to out god, Takehiko Inoue...
>>2319509
The biggest flaw of always wanting stylization in comics is that it becomes harder to make the fantasy seem real.
>>2319511
>No it means I appreciate styles that aren't lazy as fuck
Literally autism.
Show your work.
>>2319546
No, you just have to be a skilled artist and pick the appropriate stylization for the appropriate material.
But the mere concept of not letting your "style" (aka bad habbits) dictate your work but use an appropriate style you can freely switch to whatever work you are currently creating seems so foreign to many people on /ic/ that I suspect they are not able to switch freely between styles and are always locked into their amateur hour MtG painting shit.
>>2319546
Most people don't enjoy that look though. Neither the consumers who buy the comics and manga nor fellow artists. It reads rather tediously and lacks a certain degree of flow and playfulness that you'd want to see in good comics.
>>2319551
The main group of people who only idealize anime and manga are "mah style" fags. They are the amateur artists who get caught up in style to the point where they aren't artistically flexible and that "style" just becomes a crutch.
>>2319511
You can't draw like >>2319461 though.
Everything that artist does, from his anatomy, to his perspective, his understanding of form, his ability to draw detail etc is better than you will ever be. He then decides to draw stylized eyes and that somehow makes delusional noobs like you think you actually have something over artists like that.
>>2319555
I'd much rather work to draw like KJG than that crap. You can keep your shit weeb taste, anon. I don't want it.
>>2319554
Cool, but those people are 14 year olds posting on Deviantart. No one ITT idealizes only anime and manga and hates everything else, so I don't really see your point for bringing this up as some kind of counter argument to that guy's post.
>>2319557
Ironically, that drawing does look quite similar to KJGs drawings actually, both as far as technical skill goes and subject matter. That japanese porn artist is closer to drawing like KJG than you will ever be, that surely must make you angry as hell.
Plus KJG does plenty of stylized animu-esque drawings too.
>>2319557
You draw like neither probably. Post your art.
>>2319553
I woulds say that depends on the quality of the story and setting. A proper scifi story always with a gorgeous visual and rich setting always benefit from realistic humans.
>>2319560
This.
Another more extreme example would be ben itou, who goes from heroic fantasy to moeblobs freely and shows great draftsmanship.
Something our close-minded MtG masturbators could only dream of.
>>2319563
>A proper scifi story always with a gorgeous visual and rich setting always benefit from realistic humans.
What is ghost in the shell?
Pretty much one of the most influential scifi comics of the last century.
>>2319560
KJG's understanding of fundamentals far exceeds Kiyoshiro and his animu faces aren't nearly as flat and actually show dimension.
>>2319563
>realistic humans
Your problem is that you prefer one stylization over another and then parade one around as "realistic" when both are equally stylized.
My favourite scifi comic is valérian and laureline, which was even turned into a anime show.
It's heavily stylized in a francobelgian style and still great.
>>2319570
Example
>>2319557
Literally the only thing that is even stylized in that drawing is the face of that boy. Everything else is drawn realistically and with very strong fundamentals. If you are seriously autistic enough that a pair of stylized eyes and slightly simplified facial anatomy makes you ignore everything else about a drawing, then KJG is just as much weeb shit.
>>2319574
You just keep posting examples as to why KJG is blatantly the better artist.
>>2319569
>and his animu faces aren't nearly as flat and actually show dimension.
Literally baiting at this point.
>>2319569
The fundamentals in that drawing are excellent though. Can you name objective mistakes and flaws he made that you think need to be fixed? Except for the stylized animu face of course.
>>2319584
Your entire argument boils down to
>muh taste
you opinionated no-talent sack of shit.
Your definition of "realistic" only shows how little of an eye for volumes and shapes you got.
>>2319581
>bait
>implying
KJG is the better artist. Get over it.
>>2319579
I never said he wasn't the better artist you retard. Just saying that the only stylistic choice done in >>2319461 is the face and the eyes of that kid.
If you consider this weeb shit purely based on that, then you have to consider KJG weeb shit as well, regardless whether or not he's the better artist. You aren't very smart, are you?
>>2319463
>H-art is the last place you should be looking for quality work
what? dumbest thing I've read on here
You draw a lot of perspective and you draw a lot of shitty lineart on your own until you find your own way you do your lineart that you like.
also Perpective Made Easy, Successful Drawing, Marshall Vandruff, Scott Robertson, etc.
It's possible if you put your best foot foward, stay with it and keep a healthy, positve mindset.
>>2319587
No one said he wasn't. Are you seriously mentally handicapped or something? Just because KJG is the better artist doesn't mean Kiyoshiro is complete shit. He has an objectively strong understanding of the fundamentals and anyone who knows the first thing about draftmanship can clearly see that in those drawings.
>>2319587
>better
You are spinning in circles again.
Your argument was that KJG is super realistic, turns out he draws animu as well and now it's about who does better animu.
KJG is inspired by terada and terada himself is inspired by moebius.
It's all stylized comic art.
>>2319586
>it's about taste
It's a bit late for you to figure that out. Of course it's about taste. But it just seem like the pro-manga style crowd have a hard time accepting other opinions than their own.
>>2319592
>Just because KJG is the better artist doesn't mean Kiyoshiro is complete shit.
I specifically said his stylistic choices were shit. I wasn't commenting on his fundamentals. I also said most anime styles are shit. Keyword being most. But this thread is filled with triggered weebs who leaked from /a/utism.
>>2319596
>pro-manga style crowd
Kim Jung Gi is just as "manga" when he wants to.
You seem to have a hard time wrapping your head around that fact.
I'm almost certain he himself would call you an incredible dipshit
>>2319597
And I keep telling you that the only stylistic choice in that image in question is a simplified face, whereis 99% of the image is not even stylized. the one with autism here is you.
>>2319609
You seem to constantly wanting to change what the conversation is about. Maybe you are just desperate to win an internet argument. I haven't brought up any specific artists. I have only talked about the general appeal of using a more realistic style, no matter who the artist is or where they are from.
>I'm almost certain he himself would call you an incredible dipshit
I'm sure many artists you admire would call you a dipshit if they read what you write here.
>>2319611
Maybe you're a fucking idiot for getting baited and carrying on an argument for the entire thread
>>2319611
Not him. There is no "general appeal of using a more realistic style". That is just your frankly quite underdeveloped, immature taste.
>>2319610
>And I keep telling you that the only stylistic choice in that image in question is a simplified face
First off, I'm referring to Kiyoshiro's stylized works in general seen here >>2319161
and here >>2319509 on top of what you quoted here >>2319461
Second, I'm telling you that his style of simplification is garbage and boring as piss and that KJG handles it better. That opinion literally triggers your autism because I even bothered to say something negative about that animu artist. Fuck off you autistic piece of shit.
>>2319615
Seconding this.
>>2319615
The only immature faggots in this thread are the /a/utists who got triggered over someone not liking the animu artist they like.
>>2319620
>people call you out for being a retard
>s-samefags!
kek.
>>2319625
I have never even heard of that artist before desu. I'm just shocked by how bad you must be at drawing that you are unable to appreciate the skillful display of draftmanship just because the stylization triggers your.
>>2319627
>all this autism
You literally need to learn to read and stop getting triggered when the opinions of others don't mesh with your own 100%.
>>2319626
Stop trying. Nobody is buying that there is more than one as retarded as you around. But I'm assuming you figured out that strategy from finally realizing that you were talking to more than 1 person.
>>2319622
if you don't like anime/manga, everything you say is entirely subjective. it means that simplification isn't actually garbage and that KJG isn't necessarily better. of course, my opinion is subjective too, so we'll never know the truth.
>>2319622
The only thing left here is:
POST YOUR WORK.
Why am I certain it's going to be muddy digital paintings of dwarves or knights with greys mixed into the shadows?
>>2319632
it matters so much to you how many people disagree with you that you make up assumptions as a way of defense mechanism? wow
>>2319638
im certain he won't. it's the same guy who was shitting on kr0n.
>>2319638
>you prefer KJG over Kiyoshiro?
>you must make muddy digital drawings of medieval shit
You have to be 18+ to browse this board.
>>2319639
Of course not.
Now you are again trying to alter the subject to try and "win" your internet argument. It's pretty obvious from a lot of things that you are the same person.
>>2319640
>im certain he won't. it's the same guy who was shitting on kr0n.
It is? Then I agree with him on kr0n, because that guy is a dipshit asshole.
>>2319546
it feels so over polished, that becomes painfull to read as a comic.
>>2319546
>assume it's terada or KJG from style
>it's a dude called Dongzi Liu
literally a living and drawing chinese knockoff product, now I have seen it all
>>2319667
No idea who the guy is but it's pretty common for tumblrs to make tributes to popular culture.
>>2319667
Oh shit I remember seeing this guy's stuff on CA years and years ago. He did several sexual things and pig images. I'm not sure if he was posting himself or if he was friends with Wanimal? Anyone remember these guys? Or am I dating myself here?
>>2319662
Maybe you are just conditioned to some styles.
>>2319565
I knew all of you elitists were just CA fantasy jerkoffs.
How come we cant find any of inoue kiyoshirou's artwork?
like, his blog only has updates on releases, no drawings or anything.
His twitter has a few sketches but thats it.
Where the fuck does the guy post his shit? how can you be that good and so secluded.
>>2320250
>Where the fuck does the guy post his shit? how can you be that good and so secluded.
The internet is just as much of a distraction as it is a helpful tool. He's probably more concerned with drawing well and selling work than attracting autistic faggots on the internet who want to stalk him.
>>2319679
Holy edge
Sauce?
>>2320250
>how can you be that good and so secluded.
That's how it used to be with guys like JJ, Mullins and Ruan too. First two posted on Sijun a bunch but when it died they just went off the radar completely and got gud. No idea what Ruan used to do or does now, I've seen walkthrough videos by him on Youku but they're all in moonspeak so not worth as much.
>>2319667
Thanks for the new reaction pic homie
>>2320400
>No idea what Ruan used to do or does now
>I've seen walkthrough videos by him on Youku
Fucking PLEBS
>>2320266
Old stuff. Metabarons. European/Argentinian.
A series running from 1981 to 2003.
>people seriously think an autist like Kim Jung "just draw boxes to get gud" Jee is better than Inoue Kiyoshirou.
>>2320451
He is. Your /a/utism over the generic trendy styled weeb shit Kiyoshirou draws doesn't change that.
>>2320458
keep drawing those boxes, that will teach you to do fisheye lens just like me
just draw box
anatomy? no. draw box
>>2320451
Where does the Box meme come from?
What is with these /co/ style argument threads the past week.
>OH EENOE TAKUNE MAH EENOE TAKUNE
>SEEIJI KENSHIRO CHAN
Get lost and go draw.
>Blinding yourself to other sources of objectively sound technique because one or the other is superior
>Not being able to take something from everything
It's like this is /ic/ and you guys are actual retards that don't know how the learning process works.
>>2320250
this is how kiyoshirou used to draw. he was definitely influenced by katsura's style.
eventually he just got extremely good and found his own place. probably through practice, just like everyone else.
>>2319511
no but he's right. if you don't understand kiyoshirou's worth (to the extent of calling him generic) then you probably have no sense for any of this.
>>2319667
>assume it's terada or KJG from style
how do you even fuck up this much
>>2320553
this
>>2320451
strictly technically he is. though i wouldn't compare the two. they're both at respectable levels, with kiyoshirou being in more of a niche than KJG
>boxes are a meme
this is my first post in a month, and i already want to leave again.
fucking idiots everywhere. i should've never made kiyoshirou popular around here.
>>2320421
Thanks
>>2320568
>no but he's right. if you don't understand kiyoshirou's worth (to the extent of calling him generic) then you probably have no sense for any of this.
>what is reading comprehension?
>implying Kiyoshirou's style isn't generic anime shit
Sure thing bud. Weebs in this thread got triggered because I basically said he stylization is the JP equivalent of the knights/space marine bullshit westerners are obsessed with. None of my comments were directed toward his technical/fundamentals skill, which is his only worth. His stylization is boring as piss and typical trendy anime garbage.
>>2319161
Who is the artist with a similar style that made a series about girls 'relieving stress' of the boys in school?
>>2320873
>a series about girls 'relieving stress' of the boys in school?
It's him. Unless you meant Kisaragi Gunma who also did something with a similar theme, but he's far worse in terms of technical skill.
>>2320882
Thanks anon, I asked because in the other thread concerning art and manga style, someone said there were a lot of people inspired by/imitating Inoue's style. Being a relatively new fan myself, I was hoping to find them, and that work was vague in mind.
Can't find it on EX though. Was it removed after that whole debacle?
>>2320886
>Can't find it on EX though. Was it removed after that whole debacle?
Yep.
>>2320886
>>2320873
you wont find it on ex unless your powerlevel is high
but you can read it from here http://nhentai.net/g/122876/
NTR is bad
>>2320419
My point, nigger, was that he didn't flounce around on sijun like the other two did, so I don't know as much about him. Likewise Mullins has suddenly realised how famous he is and is capitalising off it, whereas Ruan still just works away in the real world.
>>2320856
you are making it very clear that you have no idea what stylization even is. you are probably just talking about his flat faces.
> I basically said his stylization is the JP equivalent of the knights/space marine bullshit westerners are obsessed with
exactly, and we are calling you a retard because of exactly that.
you have no idea what you're talking about.
>>2321199
>you have no idea what stylization is
>you're just talking about his stylized faces
>exactly, and we are calling you a retard because of exactly that.
>thread is full of triggered weebs assuming I even draw or like generic knights/space marine bs because I shat on the typical trendy anime style displayed in Kiyoshiro's stylized works.
Learn to read.
>>2321227
no i pretty much assumed that you can't draw, which is why you don't understand anything about this.
please just get out of /ic/, and don't argue if you don't know what you're talking about. this place is bad enough as it is. we don't need any more clueless shitters around here.
>>2320965
Thanks anon! A question to the thread, how would one go about studying from an artist such as this? Say I wanted to study perspective, the way the figures are organized in the room (composition?) would that be a valid goal?
>>2321192
When it's more ridiculous it's down right funny,though. Mind break tends to have that.
Kiyoushirous stuff is awesome because it's totally commonplace, casual sex. A better world.
>>2319546
>make the fantasy seem real
Nah. It's fantasy so why not push it as far as possible? I don't want to see art that amounts to what looks like someone's LARP photos but drawn. I want to see how far an artist can actually push their skills and creativity. Unless you're saying you can't empathize with characters/styles that don't look 100% like you in which case you're missing out on a lot of great shit.
>>2321602
>Nah. It's fantasy so why not push it as far as possible?
That's not what that quote is about. It is about that if you draw a giant flying with a city on its back fending off a crab cavalry raid then knowing the right colors to pick, getting those silhouette lines just right instead of just generic low skill manga blobs and constructing that image with the right flow, dynamics and energy will make the fantasy so much better. And with all that you can still keep a manga style. Most amateur manga/cartoon artist haven't even thought that far and once in a while some of them pop by this place and ask how to draw like X or Y artist.
>>2321607
If that's what it meant then the person they're replying to wouldn't have said what said with a semi-realism style image attached. They're saying realism>stylization while you're saying the obvious about stylizing with fundamentals.
>>2321635
Got it mixed up with the debate about if one can skip the traditional fundamentals in order to make good manga art.
But still. Pushing fantasy far is not a contradiction to keeping it realistic looking.
>>2321277
Eat a dick. I'm not going anywhere. You can keep your shitty taste for generic trendy styled anime garbage.
>>2319679
this one seems kinda better, the problem with the other was that all the detail just slow down the pace of the reading, when it come to comic what you draw needs to be tuned with the storytelling.
>>2320965
Even I can't find it on exhentai and my power level is 11, what sort of power level do you need to see it there?
>>2319667
That's sad..
No one ever loved the swine and now he's being lured to his death by sirens and their false-amour.
>>2321863
I didn't post the first one you talk about to show off flow but just character design. It was just a random google result. It's not like the image it was getting compared to had a good flow either but with fish eye perspective of boobs and pussies that doesn't matter much.
My point was that strong style makes the images less believable, which is a handicap when dealing with settings that does not take place in a world we are familiar with.
>>2319161
http://sukebei.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=1828319
http://sukebei.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=1828318
here's the high quality source of OP's post comic book
>>2319463
I'm drawing porn shit for years and I absolutely agree.
