Hello, /his/.
First, the link:
https://mega.nz/#F!AE5yjIqB!y7Vdxdb5pbNsi2O3zyq9KQ
This time we've got a moderate library update with some new folders and lots of new texts. The new folders are “Zoroastrianism” and “Shamanism”. Zoroastrianism has mostly new files while Shamanism is me movinng a number of books around and adding one extra. As usual expansions are alphabetized by folder.
>A.'.A.'.>Philosophy
Added “Eschatology and Space” which talks about space and it's relation to the end of being in various contexts, then added “Religion of the Gods: Ritual, Paradox, and Reflexivity”.
>Chumbley
Added four books from the bibliography: Ginzerg's “Ecstasies: Deciphering the Witches Sabbath”, “Descendants of Cain”, and “Threads and Traces”. Added Wilby's “Cunning Folk and Familiar Spirits”. Then added a number of ritual extracts Chumbley published here and there: Conjuration of the Witchfather, Devotional Mass for Qayin, and his article “what is traditional witchcraft?”
>Eastern
Added “Jainism: an Introduction”, “Hinduism and the Ethics of Warfare in SE Asia”, “Blackwell Companion to Hinduism”, “Dream Yoga” (looks new-agey with a dude of questionable lineage but I'm going to thumb through it anyhow), Rigveda in three volumes, “Shiva Stories & Teachings from the Mahapurana” (it's Puranic so not in my Agamic folders), and finally “Witchcraft and the Rise of the First Confucian Empire” which looks just fuckin' wonderful but I've not tore through yet.
>Eastern>Saivism
Added Dupuche's exegesis on the Kaula ritual (taken, translated, and analyized from the relevant chapter of Tantraloka), a central sexual rite of that tanrik lineage.
>Kabbalah
“Kabbalah: A Neurocognitive Approach”, if the Zen fuckers get Neurosci attention it's high time Kabbalah does too. Haven't really gone through this one yet, but it should prove to be interesting. “Signifying the Creator: Nontextual Sources in Ancient Judaism”, and “The Name of God in Jewish Thought”.
>>434623
>Psychological Model
Added Jung's notes from a lecture “On the Psychology of Kundalini Yoga”.
>Shamanic
Now contains “In Darkness and Secrecy”, “Sex Worship and Symbolism”, “Shamanism: A Biopsychosocial Paradigm” and the newly added “Jaguar Within” which touches on shapeshifting in Meso/South American artforms. Moved most of my academic request folder into here as that's what people were requesting.
>Zoroastrianism
Added “Zoroastrian Ritual in Context” which is awesome as it validates a bit of my speculation last thread that the Zoroastrians may have employed initiatic principles in their rites. “Textual Sources for the Study of Zoroastrianism” takes extracts from scripture. It's a stepping stone for more.
The new folders are small, but my Euro folder started small too.
In terms of discussion; do you celebrate any non-mainstream Solstice ritual? Engage in Saturnalia? Tell us what you're up to.
>>434679
Extracted from various comments by David Chaim Smith as well as his book "Blazing Dew of Stars".
The Lamp of Darkness:
Jewish mysticism posits that the ultimate mystery is En (without) Sof (limit), the infinite, which is absolute essential creativity. Theism and nihilism equally reify its living mystery with their respective conceptual stances of affirmation and negation. Although En Sof always escapes the clutches of such conceptualizations, it can be realized in the gnostic sense if its nature is directly recognized and surrendered to completely. In this, the practitioner is consumed, swallowed whole, yet paradoxically stands as the body of all worlds. This vivid paradox is the seal of the creative mystery. It cannot be imprisoned by any world, yet it blazes with the pristine primordial beauty all worlds are based on. This is the secret elixir that frees mind from itself, and uncoils the reflexes that impure the defining boundaries of inner and out, being and nothingness, and sef and other.
…
The difficulty is in understanding that En Sof shines forth without ever leaving itself. Since Kabbalistic metaphors rely on unexplained emanation imagery, a serious reexamination is needed. The hishtalshelut (chain of worlds) is presented as a ladder with a linear top and bottom; but this should never be accepted literally. Various models calibrate it differently. Some early schools articulate the sefirot within concentric circles (or 3-D shapes). Later schools offer the concentric model in exchange with the common lineal model. This was meant to offset the problem of directionality, which human beings impute by virtue of habit. However, all of these symbolic models remain imprisoned within the collective habit field until they are recognized as virtues of the mind's essential nature. Until that point, the symbolism will remain mere psychospiritual conjecture.
>>434763
Conventionally fixated magicians are often seduced into the dark glamour of the klipot’s temporary illusion of power. This stems from a conventional hunger to dominate and manipulate phenomena and inflate one’s sense of identity in the process. Both the adolescent mage and the fretful religionist share the habit of reifying phenomena. The solution to both is a shift in view. Continually holding to primordial purity mitigates the rigidity of the klipot, but its vividness can still shine through. Through its playful brightness the primordial sparks can break through their mundane shells and be gathered. Holding the gnostic view dissolves their prisons, and breaks them free to enter one’s practice. Facing any kind of phenomena directly and nakedly is spiritual practice. Its strength and disposition is shaped in each moment, and in turn, shapes the meaning of our life.
Once realization ripens, it is only a matter of how stable it remains. The tzadik, or stable realizer, does not fall back into the klipot to reify a subject or an object. The tzadik’s life is the seal of the primordial purity that is the basis of a living gnosis. However this distinction does not imply objective moral status. This represents a decisive break from the view of Judeo-Christian religion and theism in general, which generally holds the klipot as barriers between man from god, thus becoming the mechanisms of ‘evil’. The non-emanationist view neither supports the existence of a barrier or the implied dichotomy of good or evil. These issues are the exclusive domain of religion, and can be a tremendous sidetrack for a contemplator.
>>434771
"By means of the creation of the world (which is an emanation of the Divine) the Infinite became, as it were, 'contracted' (Tsimtsum) and took on certain attributes of the finite. To this finite belongs the 'darkness' of the first chaos or, in other words, evil. Hence the finite stands at the uttermost extremity of the Divine emanation, i.e. the world. And as it is man's duty to strive after union with the Infinite, his pursuit of the finite leads him to that which lies at the extremity of the Divine nature rather than that which lies at the heart of it. This constitutes evil. It is a state of absence, a negation, because man who, like the universe, is but one of the manifestations of the Divine, can only attain the real when he seeks the Real who is his fount, his home."
The klipot are the thickened echoes of the tzimtzum. Structurally from the perspective of the human realm, they perform a viable function. However the mystic is not satisfied abiding within their limiting structures. The goal of mysticism is to penetrate the shells of every world. This aspiration should not be confused with ordinary goals, which point to a set of destinations at the end of a linear path. The gnostic disposition is a continuous stream of breakthrough, always penetrating deeper and further without end. What the mystic ultimately realizes is that this process never reaches anywhere. Its endlessness is the point. This would be very frustrating and boring from the standpoint of ordinary fixations.
>>434780
The klipot (so-called qlipoth) are mere divisive mental barriers, formed by habits of cognitive reification. They gather both personally and collectively, as cognitive obscurations and obstructions build momentum. They are purified by recognizing their essential primordial nature,which rests at the heart of the tzimtzum reflex. This occurs as both simultaneous gnosis as well as the slow unfolding of spiritual transformation, however both share a single ground, which is the basis of the realization as well as that which is realized.
The labyrinth of connections within each divine name offers a radically direct path to the lamp of darkness. The esoteric roots are unlike other symbolic construcs. Through them the open matrix of cretative process is splayed open naked. However, in order for this gnosis to unfuld, the mind must fight through many bariers (klipot) within its habitual momentum. The deeper it goes, the more subtle the opacifying klipot become. The most elusive layers are what Kaplan refers to as 'semi-permiable'. They are exchanges of an incredibly fine resonance, which bear a very delicate yet deadly propensity for reification. Their resonance is so sublte that they often might seem like gnosis itself This is a concealed trap for a few advanced ones who even travel this far.
The three-fold klipot which obstruct burgeoning gnosis are its bones, blood, and flesh. Each creates inner, mediating, and outer aspects of reification. All become permeable as the phenomena becomes a heart-sacrifice. From above and below the blood of space floods the body of space. Anything and everything becomes the sacrificial beast. Its lungs are Saturn and Jupiter. Its kidneys are mars and venus. Its belly and head are sun and moon, which temper and shape the mercury in its heart.
>>434789
When we become our own redeemer and deliverer, a self-sacrificial pig messiah, the process of tikkun olam (the repair of the world) begins in earnest. We face the klipot of our resistances head on, to recognize the ubiquitous spark of perfection that displays itself within the disguise of imperfection. The feast of the kosher pig consumes the root of identity and the universe of identification that has been fabricated around it. Its presentational flesh is malkut, called ‘Garden’. The energy of its formative motion is tiferet, called ‘Eden’. Their unifying continuum is the digestion of the feast and its enjoyment, personified by the serpent called Nachash. It seals the motion display as a single continuum that can equally fall into degenerate fiction or rise to the occasion of gnosis. Its undulating frequencies shape every nuance of phenomena.
The sacrificial beast draws the consuming fire forth from the heart of the five organ array. The corners of its quadrisected body split in two. Head and belly are flanked by the left and right kidneys and lungs. From within, a blazing halo emerges to hold the organs in the glow of its own intention, like an altar. Each thought, movement, feeling, and form is such a beast on such an altar. Each presents its organ body splayed in the light of aspiration. All that is needed is a spark from the deep to ignite the glow into the wild abandon of consumption; the spontaneous regenerating self-consumption of standing-in-dissolving.
All klipot are primordially pure from the outset, and serve as the ultimate offering. Impurity is an opinion offered as food. The body of the beast swells with impulses, and its forbidden flesh is eaten with impunity when spontaneously realized as intrinsically pure. Gnostic intoxication is the feast of a kosher pig.
>>434798
The fire bellows forth from within. It caresses the beast’s yellowing skin, passes through its red meat, and smolders its white bones. All three are usurped into smoke to fill the blue sky, suffusing the five worlds with the meaning and intention of the sacrifice, each according to its level. The three sides…right, left, and center…are configured as Adam on the right, Chavah on the left, and between them is the enveloping Nachash embracing all equally. Through it the wedding is consummated, and Chavah copulates twice.
Practitioners pass through the precarious junctures by adopting an attitude common in theistic systems. This is the view that absolute knowledge is ungraspable, thus one never meets 'face to face' with “God”. There is no concrete destination that can be reached. This leaves raw aspirations free to mix with pregnat space. Once theistic associations are extracted, the disposition of 'not reaching' remains an effective contemplative method. It naturally adapts to the disposition of phenomena, which are indeed infinite, with no (En) end (Sof), and it prevents subtle reification from coagulating into the most intangible of klipot.
>>434812
REACHING BEYOND GOD
The primary catalyst for spiritual growth is the discovery of compassion. In the sense intended here, compassion refers to the primal expansiveness (Chesed) of En Sof, which gives itself freely as infinite variation without ever departing from its primordial essence. From an esoteric perspective this has nothing whatsoever to do with do-gooderism, dogmatic fixed morality, or dualistic codes of rules. It abides in the opening of cognition, to purify the perceptual field into a gnosimic continuum, revealing what is obstructed by the coarseness of habitual reificiation. Cultivating compassion is the antidote to alienating fictions of self and other that reify all klipot.
Who is the doer of a thing? In the language of Zohar, 'who' (50), is code for Binah's gates, which open the responsive spaces of Keter. The question 'who is the doer' is a powerful mantric phrase of inquiry. Gnosis unfolds as the hollow sheslls of idnetity are dissolved, and its momentum mixes, merges, and rests coequal with the womb space of creation.
Wisdom is encoded in the phrase “I am that I am” which poses the divine name of keter as a reflexive equation. It is given in the Torah as Moses inquires before the burning bush not consumed by its enveloping flame. The most common translation is not exactly accurate. AHYH AshR AHYH is better understood as 'I will be that by which I will be', thereby stressing the meeting point of potentiality with its capacity to manifest anything.
>>434888
The phrase pinpoints the precise intersection of the mirror of mind as it reflects itself. The first AHYH represents an open capacity to reflect. The second represents reflected variation. They are a true unity, thus posit wholeness in the aspect of 'front' and 'back'. The phrases poses a continuum in which beginning and end are equalized by the balance point at their heart. This is the nexus of the fire of self-consumption, which is a thrust beyond coming into being or passing away, thus 'the bush was not consumed'.
AshR has a value of 501. Its gematria equates with the word TMVNH (Ex. 20:4), which means 'in a manner of likeness'. This poses the magical continuum again, like a mirror. The manner of likeness the worlds assume is a result of how their motion display is apprehended. If one inquires to penetrate the automaton reflex of the status quo, artificial constructs begin to melt away.
More hidden layers can be unfolded letter by letter. Alef is absolute wholeness set within the paradox of unity. This is illustrated by the letter's graphic form, in which two yuds (above and below) are poised with a vav between them. This alludes to the structure of BeYeA (Briah, yetzirah, assiah), which pose the upper and lower aspects of Sechinah (correpsonding to the two hehs, or binah and malkut). In the standard tree diagram, they balance above and below the middle six sefirot (vav). All of these arrangements suggest a mirror. When alef is esoterically converted into the coded sequence YVY, the implication is that the seeds of Atik the father (yud/Y) equalizes 'before' and 'after' the expression of its energetic motion, which is Zer Anpin (the Son). As “The Fountain of Wisdom” states: Alef is never less than two.
Thus, the scales rest in balance.
>>434897
Alef as YVY equals 26, which is the gematria of YHVH. Keter is called Alef, because it is the first sefirah. Thus, through that number, keter (alef as 26) connects to tifaret (YHVH). In this connection, the king passes down the crown to his son without diminishment. This represents the pure cognizance (yechida/chaya) extending as the perceptual motion of variation (ruach).AHYH is a set of scales in balance. Both formulas of HYH and YVY reflect and balance each other, as a reflection reflecting itself. This mirror presents as its reflection from any point of view, like a hand that shapes itself, and a seed that displays its own womb. Thus, within AHYH, the secret pivot can be recognized, and binding to it allows 'that by which' to return phenomena to the single root from which both trees grow. Through this unified root, all things bask in the question 'what is meaning in itself?'. The space of the question exudes fathomless beatuy, regardless of the aesthetic or moral implications to which it becomes appended. This is a reflection of 'that by which' En Sof opens. Reductive mechanistic understanding cannot reproduce it. It is where wisdom overlaps convention, and where mystery outshines the ordinary.
Beyond success and failure, beauty cannot be imprisoned within experience, but paradoxically, it cannot happen elsewhere.
Take the chance on overcoming death by negation of birth. Shed your markers, identity, and self esteem. Walk upright, as no-one, nowhere, vividly delighting in the reflected feasts of frequencies.
>>434915
>bullshit
Care to talk about any of the sixteen academic philosophy or humanities texts from the OP?
>>434933
From the Adeptus Minor material:
This, then, is the task to be undertaken by the Adeptus Minor. To expel from the Sephiroth of the Nephesch the usurpation by the evil Sephiroth; to balance the action of the Sephiroth of the Ruach in those of the Nephesch. To prevent the Lower Will and Human Consciousness from falling into and usurping the place of the Automatic Consciousness. To render the King of the Body, the Lower Will, obedient to and anxious to execute the commands of the Higher Will, that he be neither a usurper of the faculties of the Higher, nor a sensual despot, but an Initiated Ruler, and an annointed King, the Viceroy and representative of the Higher Will, because inspired thereby, in his Kingdom which is man. Then shall it happen that the Higher Will, i.e., the Lower Genius, shall descend into the Royal Habitation, so that the Higher Will and the Lower Will shall be as one, and the Higher Genius shall descend into the Kether of the Man, bringing with him the tremendous illumination of his Angelic Nature. And the Man shall become what is said of Enoch. “And Chanokh made himself to walk with God, and he was not, for God took him.” (Genesis, V.v. 24.) Then also this shalt thou know, that the Nephesch of the Man shall become as the Genius of the Evil Persona, so that the evil persona itself shall be as the power of the Divine in the Qlippoth, as it is said: “Whither shall I go from thy Spirit, or whither from thy Presence shall I flee? If I ascend up to Heaven, thou art there. If I make my bed in Hell, behold thou art there.” (Ps. Cxxxix.)
>>435079
Therefore even the Evil Persona is not so evil when it fulfilleth its work. For it is the beginner of a dim reflection of the Light unto the Qlippoth, and this is what is hidden in the saying that “Typhon is the brother of Osiris.” Hear thou, then, a mystery of the knowledge of evil. The Ritual of the Adeptus Minor saith that even the “Evil helpeth forward the Good.” When the evil Sephiroth are expelled from the Nephesch into the evil Persona, they are, in a sense, equilibriated therein. The evil persona can be rendered as a great and strong, yet trained, animal whereupon the man rideth, and it then becometh a strength unto his physical base of action. This Mystery shalt thou keep from the knowledge of the First Order, and still more from that of the Outer World, that is as a formula, seeing that is a dangerous secret. Now then shalt thou begin to understand the saying “He descended into Hell,” and also to comprehend in part this strength, and thus begin to understand the necessity of evil unto the material creation. Wherefore, also, revile not overmuch the evil forces, for they have also a place and a duty, and in this consisteth their right to be. But check their usurpation, and cast them down unto their plane. Unto this end, curse them by the mighty names if need be, but thou shalt not revile them for their condition, for thus also shalt thou be led into error. There is also a great mystery that the Adeptus Minor must know. How the spiritual consciousness can act around and beyond the sphere of Sensation.
“Thought” is a mighty force when projected with all the strength of the lower Will under the guidance of the reasoning faculty and illuminated by the Higher Will. Therefore, it is that, in thy occult working, thou art advised to invoke the divine and Angelic Names, so that thy Lower Will may willingly receive the influx of the Higher Will, which is also the Lower Genius behind which are the all-potent forces.
>>435092
This, therefore, is the magical manner of operation of the Initiate when “skrying” in the spirit vision. Through his own arcane wisdom, he knows the disposition and correspondences of the Forces of the Macrocosmos. Selecting not many, but one symbol, and that balanced and with its correlatives, then sendeth he a thought-ray from his Spiritual Consciousness, illuminated by his Higher Will, directly unto the part of his Sphere of Sensation which is consonant with the symbol employed. There, as in a mirror, doth he perceive its properties as reflected from the Macrocosmos, shining forth into the Infinite Abyss of the Heavens.
>>435104
Thence can he follow the ray of reflection therefrom, and while concentrating his united consciousness at that point of his sphere of sensation, can receive the direct reflection of the ray from the Macroscosmos. Thus receiving the direct ray as then reflected into his Thought, he can unite himself with the ray of his Thought so as to make one continuous ray from the corresponding point of the Macrocosmos unto the centre of his consciousness. If, instead of concentrating at the actual point of the sphere of Sensation he shall retain the thought-ray only touching the sphere of sensation at that point, he shall, it is true, perceive the reflection of the Macrocosmic Ray answering to that symbol in the sphere of his Consciousness. But he shall receive this reflection tinctured much by his own nature, and therefore to an extent untrue, because his united conciousnesses have not been able to focus along the thought-ray at the circumference of the Sphere of sensation. And this is the reason why there are so many and multifarious errors in untrained spirit visions. For the untrained seer, even supposing him free from the delusions of obsession, doth not know or understand how to unite his consciousnesses and the harmonies between his own sphere of sensation, and the universe, the Macrocosmos. Therefore is it so necessary that the Adeptus Minor should correctly understand the principia and axiomata of our secret knowledge, which are contained in our Rituals and Lectures.
How do I into Rosicrucianism?
I did one of the Kundalinic yoga techniques and now I'm feeling really dissociated and scared. I feel like I went too far without preparation. I was spasming a lot and my whole body was shaking. Right now it feels like I'm constantly floating in and out of my body.
Are there techniques to help me get through this fear? I couldn't get the energy past the middle of my spine and I had to stop. I didn't even have high expectations for it in the beginning but it was really profound and powerful.
>>435200
SRIA rituals and grade papers are in the Freemasonry folder straight from their website. Golden Dawn stuff's in the Golden Dawn folder.
I guess I should find a bit more history oriented material, OGRC if I can. There are solid texts on the influence Rosicrucianism had on Hegel and the Enlightenment in general i the A.'.A.'.>Philosophy folder.
>>435210
1) Stop doing the practices.
2) If symptoms don't resolve quickly thereafter, go see a doctor.
3) If they do crack open a copy of Hathayoga or somesuch thing and start with lower impact practices. Ideally speaking, kundalini/chakra will be activated by any earnest yoga without needing to force it.
4) When you're ready/feel ready/want to/start on the other practices again.
>>434623
Which form of mysticism/occultism/magick should I look into first?
I don't want to accidentally sell my soul to any evil spirits or anything, I'm just looking for something that will make me spiritually satisfied.
>>435276
>Which form of mysticism/occultism/magick should I look into first?
What are you interested in?
The first thing that comes to mind would be Mirror of Simple Souls or Molinos' Spiritual Guide if you're into the Christian material and worried about spiritual ramifications. For something more traditional than that you'd probably be better off asking the Orthodox folks around here.
I don't have a copy of Mirror. The Spiritual Guide should be in there somewhere, but should also be online like everywhere...hey, look at that: http://www.adamford.com/molinos/src/s-guide-20071210.pdf
>>435302
Awesome thanks.
My university's library has Mirror of Simple Souls.
>>435276
You can't really fuck up and accidentally sell anything with Esoteric Buddhism, although It isn't exactly well liked in theses threads.
>>435318
You should be able to find a cheap paperback, I picked up an irl copy, it's nice. Has a vague sense of Kabbalism through it. Interlibrary loan is a very useful tool. Take advantage of it. I have for some of my rarer materials presented above.
>>435323
I LIKE esoteric Buddhism I just can't into it.
good job man keep it up
>>435383
Thanks, friend, will do.
>>434623
Bumping for:
>Hinduism and the Ethics of Warfare in SE Asia
Which sounds like quintessential board related material. Unfortunately it's low on my priority list this update.
What do you fags think of straight up psychic powers?
Siddhis are not often talked about, but mention of all these attainments is really, really common in eastern texts.
Buddha could allegedly do all kinds of crazy shit, buddha's right hand man was also noted as being really powerful in that regard, arahats with psychic attainments, siddhis seem almost like a given for high level yogi's.
In the west you've also got Jesus doing miracles and shit, a lot saints were said to perform miracles, etc.
The interesting thing is that siddhis aren't necessarily claimed to be a by product of spiritual attainment -if anything a lot of traditions say you should disregard them all together because they're a distraction on the path of spiritual attainment - but more so of meditative practice.
In the last few years it's been pretty much proven that meditation has at least some positive effects on the brain. It's mostly mundane stuff that's been confirmed so far, but at least it's scientifically proven that meditation can in fact have positive effects on the brain. So who knows where the limit on those effects is?
There are also some half credible videos of certain abilities. I know, videos on Youtube shouldn't be used a source for anything, ever, but it's something other than written texts.
The John Chang guy setting fire to newspapers and his students knocking boxes over in a garage, that Russian lady doing TK, and a couple of others (not a lot though)
The shit JC did is called Mo Pai Neu Kung and if you google around you can find that he made his students meditate their dicks off, until they were ready to progress to higher levels. According to some forum that is.
That's a pretty iffy source, but still.
So, do you think people can unlock some 'hidden potential', as cheesy as that sounds, through the power of meditative practices?
>>435702
I dunno m8 it's hard to say. I reckon we won't have anything approaching a clue until we unfuck our statistical models, whatever that entails, be it confirmation or denial of better psi studies.
To that end unless you've got a spare lab with tight controls and staff/volunteers willing to work for free the question's probably best left teased apart in your margin notes. I've seen some shit, of the bull and non-bull variety. Hell, done some shit of the non-bull (in my perception) variety.
Incidentally, Colin Wilson's "The Occult" has a lot of neat anecdotes about psi but he loves shitposting Crowley. Can't blame him much, though, sounds like another guy who heard more than he read on the guy.
>>435702
>So, do you think people can unlock some 'hidden potential', as cheesy as that sounds, through the power of meditative practices?
Honestly I believe most subconsciously learn how to cold read.
I'm an art fag and I was wondering if drawings can serve as sigils.
Can I just draw something and embody it with intention?
>It's almost that time of year when tens of thousands of retarded neo-druid hippies descend on Stonehenge and completely shit up the place and damage everything in site
>>435947
DUDE IT'S LIKE THE PLACE OF OUR ANCESTORS, I CAN TOTALLY FEEL, LIKE, THE POSITIVE VIBES MAN
AYY PASS THE WEED
>>435946
Yes.
>>435947
They REALLY need to put an end to that horseshit.
>>435946
I'm a professional art fag...yes, drrawings can serve as sigils. Draw whatever you want, and charge it however you want. It's all up to you, what you believe, and how strongly you are willing to believe it.
>>436053
Spare and those like him went a bit above and beyond sigilry, most of their work was powering entire egregores for systems and currents. GOTOS of the Fraternitas Saturni, etc.
Notice, up in the Shamanism folder I've got a text on shapechanging in cultural art. I bed you'd dig it.
>>436073
>Spare and those like him went a bit above and beyond...
>>435946
Yes, as well as developing techniques for automatic writing, automatic drawing and sigilization.
Just for the sake of explanation, Austin Osman Spare was an English painter, with links to the Arts and Crafts Movement. He began his artistic career in glass blowing and poster design around 1900.
>>434888
>The question 'who is the doer' is a powerful mantric phrase of inquiry. Gnosis unfolds as the hollow shells of identity are dissolved, and its momentum mixes, merges, and rests coequal with the womb space of creation
This reminds me of the Roshi in the 3 Pillars who assigns a student to resolutely question who the doer is in daily activities, like "Who is eating? Who is listening? Who is walking?" etc.
The Roshi advises the goal of using a Koan is to break out of the habit of logical analysis in pursuing self-understanding.
>>436185
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gGyvhMtwUI
>>434623
> Ginzerg's “Ecstasies: Deciphering the Witches Sabbath”
My nigger.
I'll send you on the other Schulke stuff I came across now, just got home.
>>436407
No rush.
The David Chaim Smith material + Adeptus Minor lecture bit you should probably keep in mind should you chose to move on to Nightside of Eden. I forgot how deep Hidden God get into all that stuff you can probably bump right up to Nightside.
Moreover, there's a text on Liber 231 that Three Hands puts out called "A Gathering of Masks". It's a whole shitload of people including CS initiates talking about the genii of the tunnels & paths.
Has anyone here actually had divine experiences or have done stuff like magic or astral projection?
If yes, then how did it go? What exactly happened? What did you do to make this happen?
>>436417
Sent it, there's some Gavin Semple stuff in there. It's mainly plant-related stuff from Schulke, presumably related to Viridarium Umbris.
You should keen an eye out for Ginzburg's 'The Night Battles' as well, it's excellent. Probably more relevant for the Azoetia cycle than DBoE, but a great read nonetheless.
>The David Chaim Smith material + Adeptus Minor lecture bit you should probably keep in mind should you chose to move on to Nightside of Eden. I forgot how deep Hidden God get into all that stuff you can probably bump right up to Nightside.
I'm actually really enjoying AC & The Hidden God. Grant gets a little rocky here and there, but it's given me a much deeper insight into Liber AL- I'd never really gotten the fuss over it until now.
I'll give the DCS material a read through, cheers.
>Moreover, there's a text on Liber 231 that Three Hands puts out called "A Gathering of Masks". It's a whole shitload of people including CS initiates talking about the genii of the tunnels & paths.
Ah yeah, it's languishing in one of my folders at the moment. I'll probably take another crack at NoE once I finish AC & the Hidden God, I'm developing a bit more appreciation for Grant.
>>436073
Which book were you recommending for me..I've already snagged a few but there are a few in Shamanism that it COULD be..so I want to be 100% sure before I download.
>>436436
Define "divine experience".
Astral projection's an early practice. You should be getting good at it within a couple years of starting a lot of these disciplines.
I've not achieved Face as described by some phenomenologists of religion, though I guess that's sort of questionable depending on definitions.
When I was a mid-late teen (16?) I pirated a fuckload of Setian material and started learning some Egyptian stuff. I had an intervention at a physical level that I guess a lot of people would call demonic or Satanic. An entity claiming to be Set seemed to appear to myself and which a friend was involved in. There was lost time. It was largely unpleasant but it only made me more curious about this stuff. Then I BTFO'd myself with Chaos material for a few years and stopped working much of anything while I got my shit together.
The last couple years have been peppered with strange experiences which I interpret as nearness of the Angel. Dhyana's easier to slip into. Bliss is easier to carry out of yoga. Things seem to be getting more physical as per Levinas's explorations on the subjects.
RE: Astral it's super easy to get pulled into massive webs of delusion by not minding yourself. That was probably a component of my BTFOing myself as a kid. Chapel Perilous, Robert Anton Wilson's termed it. These days it's like having a lucid dream but being awake. I don't get controlled and most spirits leave me alone unless I'm looking for them. FWIW I use a schema for AP: AP is to normative consciousness what lucid dreaming is to normative dreaming.
>>436460
>>434679
>added “Jaguar Within” which touches on shapeshifting in Meso/South American artforms.
>>436449
>more articles
Sweet tits, I'll have them uploading asap. I can't find any more Ginzburg. I can keep my eyes peeled but I doubt they'll be around anytime soon.
It's just the extracts in the thread. If you're going to work klipot in any capacity you NEED to read the stuff posted here and avoid the Karlsson stuff like the plague. I've got some odd interpretations that meld Grant and DCS.
Again, if you need anything serious before Mon. morning shoot me a msg, otherwise best of luck forging your Vessel.
I'm going to write out my personal notes on ST next then finish preliminary notes on Turnskin. Again, I should have most of the gestures covered in Hu but I should probably go over it.
Hey necromancy dude, there's something in the new Chumbley texts that deals with plant bindings for the dead, so that may be a thing.
They should all be uploaded now under:
>Chumbley>Cultus Sabbati
>>436498
Got it, sorry, raced over that earlier post and missed that!
Sometimes I skim when I should be reading more thoroughly.
>>436498
>It's just the extracts in the thread. If you're going to work klipot in any capacity you NEED to read the stuff posted here and avoid the Karlsson stuff like the plague. I've got some odd interpretations that meld Grant and DCS.
Sounds sensible. Does Uncle Andy have an qlipothic work in store for us, come to think of it?
>Again, if you need anything serious before Mon. morning shoot me a msg, otherwise best of luck forging your Vessel
Cheers, I appreciate it. I think I'm all good on the major points, I'll do a few dry runs tomorrow and see what picky ritual questions come out of it.
Actually, timing was one thing I wondered about. I got it into my head that Black Sun had to be done at midnight, but is that actually mentioned anywhere? I've totally forgotten about it.
Great that you're so far ahead of the game, I'll aim to start drilling into HU basically as soon as Black Sun is done, I'll aim to get a head start on it.
>>435337
re:image
I think that pretty much IS zen though. Add curiosity and you've got theravada
>>436566
>Black Sun had to be done at midnight
Noon in the ritual comment, but I guess it's w/e. I'd give it solar noon. Maybe Black Moon's the midnight rite?
>>435702
I tend to think inasfar as this shit is real it's operating through the nervous system of the affected party. I pretty much take materialism as a given as a prerequisite for reasoning though, because coherentism
>>436581
Huh, not entirely certain why I thought it was midnight.... Noon would make more sense actually. There's an old holy well near here that was a pagan site at one stage (so REALLY old), it's still synced up with the sun so that the inside of it gets lit up at noon on midwinter, similar to Newgrange.
Midday might actually be easier. More people around, but the fire would be less obvious than at night. I'll read the text again and see. It'd be nice to have all of Monday for prep as well
What do you guys think of the idea of God or Spirits as an emergent property of higher beings like humans.
I think the world was created naturally and than the spirit world was brought into existence simultaneously the intelligent ape.
>>435210
Embrace it when it happens, let it flow over and through you. It's only scary cause it's strange, once you're familiar with it, it's enjoyable. The middle pillar visualizations will let you control the sensations a lot better. Ground afterwards with some steak and potatoes or pizza. mmm pizza.
>>436981
I think it's interesting but would entail a huge overturning of what we understand as 'consciousness'to accommodate the wide range of phenomena that mystics tend to report.
>>436981
Sumerian legends point to aliens making intelligent man to mine gold and worship them. God is originally Spirit but the world was manufactured / at least the intellectual human was. Some spiritual beings took part in Lucifer and his falling away (which has to do with the creation of man) like Lucifer also means phosphorus and that is a part of our dna, hence creator god of material universe is evil.
>>438256
>Sumerian legends point to aliens
You got any substantial evidence of that other than by Stitchin? Something peer reviewed? Or translated by someone respectable?
I've got a whole text of Sumerian anti-witchcraft rituals, ain't one mentions aliens.
>>438270
Never read stichin' lol. Annunaki/Sumerian deities and such things is pretty much common knowledge it makes sense if we were created by Annunaki (aliens so to speak) from another planet (the heavens) who genetically altered mankind "in the beginning" the Bible just "borrows" this and a few other stories
It is kinda like gnosticism you should read up on it is pretty interesting
>>438287
I don't know a single respected archaeologist or academic in general who makes the claim that Annunaki = Aliens is commonly accepted knowledge.
>>438287
FUCK THE ANNUNAKI FOLLOWED FROM /x/. Everyone knows humanity sprung from a cow licking salt bruh. Get with the times
>>438294
Yeah think about if they came from "Nibiru" to "Earth" the earlier primitive man monkey would be like "these beings from outer space came to us and live in a different planet" (if they could think like this or did)
Aliens are also said to live on different planets and also come from outer space which is what the Annunaki would also fall under the same category.
>>438297
Actually humanity is a virus that needs a host molecule (nucleic acid) to procreate by having sex and combining dna and enable and is also surrounded by a coat of protein (skin) like a virus
We also kill each other murdering other races and religions in war
We also drink a cows milk and kill it and eat it
>>438306
Again, this thread has hundreds of academic books, if that were true, I think we'd have dozens of academic texts explaining the archaeological finds rather than you telling me "yeah, think about it".
>>438338
About the lamp of darkness is it kinda like nirvana where you cease to be an individual and become one with everything? becoming unified with everything, everywhere? And the klipots are our own thought forms keeping us from achieving this process?
>>438338
Annunaki came from another planet with genetic information. Sounds like aliens. Story of creation and man being made in Clay pots. Pretty common.
Alien as is foreign from somewhere else and if the didn't grow up on Earth then technically they are aliens that is common sense
These would have been the fallen angels in the book of Enoch who defiled men by instructing them to make weapons and procreate with their women as well.
>>438354
Nirvana is achieved when all karmic debt is paid. One with everything should be rephrased: Everything that is material and not material exists and as does the sequence of events that go on in all life and cosmic rotations.
What inhibits you is not just you, but beings around you as well.
>>438367
>Annunaki came from another planet with genetic information. Sounds like aliens.
[still zero credible citations]
>>438354
Sorta on the first couple questions, yes on the last when combined with habituation. Those DCS passages are why I cannot stand the Qlippoth elaborations by edgelordy Satanists like Karlsson who don't know the Kabbalah from their asshole.
>>438388
Not people but people can, mainly subtle spiritual beings and rampant mental thoughts.
Please update the update pdf, OP.
And could you start adding update date to it?
Thanks for compiling all this, there is no way I'd get into this stuff without it.
Need to get my Dragon Vessel today. Had a dream last night in which my (marriage?) vessel appeared much darker (as if saturated with liquid), and then popped open, showing that only some of the contents remained. It was a slightly different shape, so not entirely sure if the meaning may have been 'this is a different box, get this one as your DV', or 'don't go for this kind of box for DV'.
If it's the latter I may use a glass jar or something- afaik the instructions only mention that it has to be 'broken asunder' or something, i.e. so long as the contents are burned it's all good, so glass would work. What did you go for, K?
Incidentally, I notice the instructions for the circle only mention 'consecrated powders' for the inner sigils, and perimeter- is it intended that you use grave dust, or that you consecrate your own powders?
Also, what are you actually drawing for the sigils on the interior of the circle? Chumbley mentions the wheel of 8 spokes, but I wonder if he means it to be drawn over the whole compass, or just one or two smaller ones
>>438391
They came from Nibiru. What citation do you need man don't you have a whole library?
Anyways if man is created by extra terrestrial beings, or the Annunaki, this makes sense as to why there is so much genetic word play in the OT.
BTW you worship Ahyh?
>>438397
Will sometime today, it's still early.
>>438398
I spun a ceramic pot that the fucking craft shop's too incompetent to fire in time for the ritual tomorrow. I've resorted to using an old bottle of Irish cream that I've pulled the labels off of.
Later the rituals call for red sand, so I'd say just use the gravedust for now and have a few different colors and preparations on hand.
Other than the compass rose I'm going to wing it when it comes time to cut sigils, maybe use some stuff from my pentacle.
>>438398
What exactly are you trying to do?
>>438419
We're working the Dragon Book of Essex. Rite of the Black Sun takes place tomorrow.
>>438414
>cut sigils
I thought they were to be drawn with powder, no?
>>438432
I was referring to the Dragon's Rune section.
In any case what you have on-hand is fine and the text implies extemporaneous sigilizations. I wouldn't worry about having any different kinds of powder until Turnskin.
What do you know about dream interpretation Ape?
I had the most vivid and profound dream I've ever had. It showed me God in all his glory and I watched him create the world. I was told several riddles in it relating to the relationship between God and Man.
>>438402
AHYH is YHWH yet this dude does magic and doesn't believe aliens come from outer space
>>438444
I know that you're better at interpreting your dreams than the vast majority of books. Keep a record, and try to connect the events in them to your waking life. Not everyone has the same internal register so I recommend NOT using one of those dream symbol dictionaries.
>>438447
YHWH as the creator god yet Lucifer also being the creator god. Yahweh apparently doesn't like cultists yet Lucifer apparently does?
What exactly does one make of this?
>>438444
You should use one of those dream interpretation sites sometimes they really help. But if I don't use them I notice the dream reveals itself to me as time goes on.
>>434812
>>434925
It is weird if Adam and "Chavah"
H-a-v-a-h in Chavah
Havah and Jehova
The Latin name for Jupiter is Jose which because the Japanese sound would be a Y (like Spanish) it would sound Hovah...
Plus if you take into the account of genetics playing a huge role in the Creation of man plus if YHWH is actually a reference to Archos and Annunaki we start to see a pattern here
>>438489
The Latin name for Jupiter is JOSE which because the Latin sounds it would be a Y or Have
Dang autocorrect
Anyways this guy's wanted to be worshipped as a god
>>438499
JOVE
>>434623
Anything to do with pantheism in there?
>>438545
If YHWH in aramaic is IAUA.. AUAI are those vowels backwards and make the word Annunaki. Gnostic creator is Archons and Demiurge, also Lucifer (Phosphorus is also a name for Lucifer which is a part of your dna)
If YHWH (I am that I am) Annunaki reference) and also the serpent (you will be like God) are as one, then the OT is about pantheism as is occultism ignoring something really essential in order to keep up their "ritual magic" ceremonies
>>438567
Not all the OT, a lot of it mentions this very thing in strange ways
Bump?
My coffee's almost ready.
Speaking of Archons, anyone else here ever read Chaldean Oracles?
>>438614
Just saying man if you know that these would be the "bad guys" hence our "enslavement" in the material world why be an occultist and favor these beings for the sake of false light and preach your ministry by providing links to your spellbound library
>>438657
What's the most outlandish thing you've came across on 4chan, related to occultism, that you think?
I Like the library. Well done
>>438669
The one where fake thoth was talking about needing dogs tongue and animal and human body parts for a ritual
>>438663
I'm here to talk about the academic and source material around magick and the occult.
If you wanna have funposting time with more or less ungrounded speculation, there's almost a dozen Jeebuz threads, or I can make a thread for you on /x/ or something.
I have no ministry to teach. No doctrine to favor. I just wanna offer centralized and vetted texts across a diverse array of topics on the occult. People can do with this stuff as they please. Just a few posts ago ITT I was directing a Christian to Christian mystical material.
>>438673
The one where they actually had praises for the whore of babylon, jabulon, praises to the dragon and Cain which is a clear sign of the mystery religion and end times prophecy
>>438669
Bad outlandish?
When I first started tripfagging on /x/ is was in response to this guy named Team Illuminati who seemed to sorta know what he was on about, but constantly called ANYONE who replied to him:
>peasant
>moron
>etc,
Said he was a member of Illuminati and that I'd get abducted and sent to prison for breaking silence on some of these books. I think he still trolls our threads, I know for a fact he moved to /pol/ after our threads got popular.
Good outlandish? Someone turned me on to some elaborations on the Tree of Life by Nick Land that turned out to be INCREDIBLY interesting. I'm still sorta going through guy's ideas.
>>438673
>dog tongue
>three femurs
>a skull
>powdered human bone
>two more or less complete fingers
>penis bone from a large animal (walrus, etc.)
Yup.
>>438677
While you have your library other people can also post direct information about other aspects of occultism like how YHWH and Lucifer also have to do with a significant aspect of New Age right now and instead of expose it you try and get people to fall into this "occultism and magic" threads
I think this is the first time I typed Jesus right here lol
>muh occult libraryyyy
>>438678
>he doesn't wanna immanentize the eschaton
pleb
>>438690
>direct info
>zero citations
>no academic content
>no analysis of source material
Pet3r, pls leave.
>>438689
Just funny people would rather find a bunch of dead animal remains for some ritual spell craft instead of find some actual truth and make a difference
>>438697
Just saying what you post on here is also another aspect in Revelation like living proof.
>No library it can't be true
>What is this pure common sense and wisdom and analysis of information
>doesn't sauce, me so smart I don't wanna lookie
>>438698
I don't see how use of human bone in ritual is mutually exclusive to seeking truth.
Thanks for all the bumps, tho.
>>438704
Not really a bump I mean hey if people see the counter argument as is they'll know your a clown to some degree
>>438702
>he doesn't pledge spiritual fealty to the offices of The Scarlet Woman, Our Lady of the Apocalypse and Saint of Harlotry, and the Great and Wild Beast 666 upon which she rides
>>438706
No but many of the magicians do. There is a reason why it is in the Bible it is just crazy people actually do it.
>Fake thoth says he knows "holy guardian angels"
Yet also promotes all these occultism forms that point to need age restoration of mystery babylon as the antichrist religion
Like a lot of this is in the book of Revelation
Dear A'an, I downloaded a copy of Kindoki from your Africa folder, and it opens completely blank and will not load the text. Just a heads up.
>>438721
>mfw
Godfuckingdamn it, I thought I cleaned all my broken files. I'll try to hunt down a replacement but can make no guarantees.
FWIW, if ANYONE notices broken or non-loading texts, hit me up and I'll do what I can to rectify.
>>438726
You don't think an angel has tried to get you to stop your bullsheet fake thoth?
Unless you ignored it's signs or don't actually have any experience in your awareness of the spiritual dynamic then you would have already by now.
>>438732
Well noted, there is plenty to keep me occupied.
In response toy your question up top -Tuesday is the day that Zarabanda has made (just riffing). He may get some Johnny Black and cigars.
>>438732
It's not exactly broken, but the "Wicca Book Of Spells" is just a one page advertisement.
>>438753
I am contributing.
Magic and Occultism can trace back to this YHWH and Lucifer and the freedom and salvation of your soul does lie in some esoteric information but casting magic is the veil of illusion so just in case some wanderer stumbles upon your threads they get some "before you summon this being because some dude on the Internet led you there"...
Like doing magic literally opens you to possession and leads to the New Age philosophy which is your library
>>438759
Ayyy, so I'm seeing just as much Cainite material in the Falxifer as I am DBoE, it's just Uncle Andy seems better historically educated.
I'm not intimately familiar with voodoo as a highly synchronized Western influenced phenomenon - I dig earlier emanations before the Christianity started to penetrate, Afro-Carib stuff as opposed to Afro-Catholic.
My questions are, to what extent do Santeria type folks ACTUALLY venerate Cain? Moreover, how much Thelemic penetration has there been in the last 30ish years. Mike Beriteaux has connections down there but I know influence in Africa proper's been light at best.
>>438766
And further, see "Zoroastrian Ritual in Context".
If you actually wanna talk the doctrine of Maya it bears repeating that the Saivists more or less feel you can achieve synthesis and mastery of Maya rather than retreat therefrom.
>New Age
>The library
I have relatively little material that's older than 1950, and what of what is after, most of it's purely academic.
This isn't Spirit Science.
>>438769
Yeah Crowley really did a number in making people do sex rituals and occult magic and lead them all the think truth was relative.
Man this world is falling away so fast it is really sad that people with so much potential waste it on dark craft
>>438774
Who is trying to escape maya the more you try the more it pulls.
See I just want to expose how people like "Illuminati " use maya and magic and you provide the source and your stubbornness makes this VERY easy.
>>438783
>i wanna expose the occultists as occultists!
Pic infinitely related.
>>438795
There is definitely a way to mystify life but I mean you guys are literally wasting your time with witchcraft and reading all these occultist authors books about how they used to do magic and here is their opinion
Like with all that free time you could've been being useful actually trying to figure out why magic /babylon/ and ancient prophecies and all this stuff CONNECT
>>438769
What I have read from Falxifer is not Santeria or Palo proper. It is more closely linked with Santa Muerto and what I view as originally Aztec cults of Mictlantecuhtli in Mexico.
In Santeria, Palo, Yoruba, Kakongo, and from what I know of Candomble there is no veneration of the Jewish/Christian character Cain.
Most mainstream Diasporites don't have much Thelemic influence. Im a bit of an outlier, in that I can see syncretisms between Ganesh/Oggun, Kali/Oya/to some degree La Santisma Muerto, etc. The Kakongo faiths like Palo in Cuba have the least Christian influence and more ATR influence in my experience.
Animism speaks more to me than Monotheism, but if you are just getting into a diaspora faith from a christian background, starting off with Santeria is a good stepping stone if you have no anthropology knowledge to help guide you through the ATR basics.
Islam has more influence on the African animists than the Euro faiths, and that is problem the Dogon are dealing with now. They still dance the sigi for tourists, but the majority of the Dogon are now functionally Muslim at this time, and its leading to a huge deficit in knowledge of their oral tradition and native culture. Just because you can dance sigi, doesnt mean you understand anything about the cosmology or mythology on which it is based.
>>438816
I KNOW it's not Palo proper, but I figure I should get a perspective from someone who Knows What They're On About™ to see what does and doesn't cross into the systems.
Interesting.
This, then, leaves me suspicious that folks like Mike Ford and the 'minds' behind current 218 had access to Chumbley's material back long before it was published.
This shit's going to be fun.
FWIW, folks can get basic Anthro ritual theory out of my A.'.A.'.>Philosophy folder with things like Turner's Ritual Process.
>>438816
Kali - destruction
Kalah in Hebrew - annihilation
Kali Yuga age of deterioration and destruction. All religious principles fade and people forget about God.
>>438826
The Kali demon of the Kali Yuga and Kali the Goddess are not related.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali_(demon)
Basic shit, man, step up your game here.
>>438831
They are related did you read the post?
Kali the goddess isn't worshipped the same way for new age does not exactly care for doctrine. They call on Kali and summon a demon. Either way, the form of the goddess and the demon are also symbolic for the age that is the present day.
Only a fool calls them separate
>>438824
Understood.
I did download and browse Essex last night. I just couldn't get into it; to each his/her own. I just wanted to see what the hubbub was about. At this age of my life, I just crave simplicity.
Everyone is different , and I myself have gotten more results from Sympathetic and Low magick than Ritual High magick. I still meditate, yoga, etc. But I can't be bothered with robes, wands, what have you.
I will say this.. my few workings in the Goetia did have fantabulous results. I cant remember if you're in to that as well, but it's a fantastic system of Spiritism if you can divorce yourself from the Monotheism.
I can see a syncretism between Bael and Hermes with the cap of invisibility.
>>438844
>New age does not care for doctrine
Which is why I've got a full analysis of the Kaula ritual in the OP?
C'mon man, give us something substantial or go spam another thread. I get it, we should give ALL this up and convert to Jeebuzism. You've made this abundantly clear over the last few threads.
>>438845
>I will say this.. my few workings in the Goetia did have fantabulous results. I cant remember if you're in to that as well, but it's a fantastic system of Spiritism if you can divorce yourself from the Monotheism.
Lemegeton's based on the Greek Magical Papyri. If you want to go more 'native' with it in terms of Greek analogs of shamanism, pick up Jake Stratton-Kent's Geosophia, it's great. Should be in 'grimoires' folder.
>>438849
>which is why muh library kicks in
>muh jesus omg lol man so funny
Again this is the second time I am mentioning Jesus, right here.
You know people in India kill people in Kali's name and give blood sacrifice to her.
Also Lavey attributes Kali to Satan along with Siva, Pan, Lucifer and Lilith
>>438868
This board has archives, Pet3r, it's not hard to pull up the last few threads.
Ok, so we should give up all the occultism. Then what?
>>438878
Not that anon name-faqqinq is for queers but he's a cool dude.
It isn't just "give up occultism " man u gotta a lot of potential to destroy these mother fuckers and you don't and instead embrace new age ideology instead of use it to figure this whole shabbang out
>>438878
Opportunity seldom rises with blood pressure.
>>438889
I ask again, what do you want out of me/these threads other than to evangelize?
>>438893
You do what you want.
I am just here to be the common sense poster so hopefully if some lurker or curious poster can relate to anything I say whenever you post they will find some guidance outside this thread
You know instead of being some new ager where they learned their magic from someone on 4chan
>>438890
Eh, it's a waste of replies but if someone sees the library on the first page and actually uses it, it may cut down on things like that questionable Kabbalah thread and the like, which is a win in my book.
>>438906
Likely if you learn kaballah from someone who is on the left hand path the influence will lead you likewise
>>438912
Nobody in the Kabbalah folder comes from the LHP, western or otherwise. Nice try.
>>438904
>academic and peer reviewed material
>ancient source material
>New Age
>implying I teach anyone directly rather than direct them to material they're already interested in and let the material speak for itself
Nice try again. Thanks for the bump. Here's your reply.
>>438906
I did notice in the library under Shamanism, some titles that appeared to indicates text on R1a/R1b Bear Shaminism.
I thought someone might get a kick out of these:
Faces of R1a/R1b from Spirit of the Steppe: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F1ZqiLtfeOM
Bear Shamanism in North America (traditional dance by Laura Grizzlypaws): https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sycoh3fVJ4M
>>438922
Actually many do without realizing it because it is one aspect to guide them to the rest of their "magical working" like there is definitely a time where Babylonian Talmud and kaballah mixed in with new age beliefs. Crowley did cabala, he wasn't a good guy
New age is the restoration of all these things.
You are the enabler, like a heroine dealer, who doesn't care about the safety of the customer rather the amount they get paid
>>438952
Thanks for the links. I appreciate it.
Are you guys aware of Bogomilism?
>>438973
>Bogomilism
Yup.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docetism
>>438982
>has library
>sends Wikipedia link
>>438984
I don't have a book on Docetism on hand? I'm not even sure one exists. The library's big but 4k files is hardly what I'd call 'comprehensive'. I can post my acquisition list if you'd like.
Here's one: http://www.amazon.com/Gnosticism-Docetism-Judaisms-First-Century/dp/0567656586/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1450628112&sr=8-2&keywords=docetism
It's like 100$ and doesn't appear to cover out through Bogomilism. Thought the article could help dude expand his knowledge base a bit.
>>439001
Should buy it for ur library since you care so much about it
>>439017
I have more expensive texts further up my priority list.
>>439022
Further up your butt because that is where your "eye" must be
>>439038
>in ur butt lel
Glad to know we've degenerated into 2nd grade playground insults.
Late morning bump.
I'm interestet in magick and occult but don't know where to start.What do I read first or do I need to choose a type of magick I want to use?
>>439324
Thumb through the beginner's folder until you find something that strikes your interest. There's a huge amount of material. Don't overwhelm yourself.
>>439324
Just not bardon, that guy's book are crap.
>>439441
>I want to start a wand measuring contest!
>>439476
From that folder? Dion fortune, mystical Qabala
>>439572
In general, not only from the folder.
>>439601
The History of Magic in the Modern Age: A Quest for Personal Transformation by Nevill Drury
Not a word of magic in it, but you'll have a decent overview of who is who and what is what before deciding who or what you want to follow.
>>439601
>>439572
Fortune's nice insomuch as she talks about things like the concept of mezla which is rare in introductory Kabbalah material outside the more pure strains of Hebrew elaboration.
What do you make of the fact Dion Fortune spent so much time with AC but also seemed spooked by AC's methods? I'd venture a guess failure to reconcile all that contributed to her slightly conspiratorial claims.
>>439611
Neat, I may grab that for the beginner's folder if I can find a copy.
>>439617
It's extremely cheap. Though he is too harsh on crowley and far too kind on wicca.
>>439626
That's interesting given Wicca flowed out of Thelema. What's dude's argumentation on those points if you've got it handy?
>>439630
Im looking up reviews and prices for a hard copy, as well as Ebooks to see if I could browse it and determine if I had any interest.
This is from a review that actually gave the book 3 stars (I'd hate to see a 1 star review if this is true):
"While it is a reasonable overview (apart from being weak on Druids), this book, disappointingly for something so recently published, accepts the origin myths of Wicca and Goddess-worship at face value. For example, it repeats Alex Sanders' account of his initiation by his grandmother into a multi-century lineage of witches as fact, even though Sanders himself later admitted that he had made it up, and also takes the Gardnerian wiccan myth of lineage as likewise true."
The same review also crticizes the author for being "disappointingly naive". OUCH.
>>439813
FWIW I'm starting to reconsider my objections to the Witch Cult. Not that Sanders' story is correct I'm just starting to have doubts that the cult never existed.
I'd like to see Chumbley's unpublished material on this before I really make my mind up though.
>>439825
Folk magic existed, but probably not in highly organized cult form.
Gardner took a bunch of Crowley’s writings, and material from Liber AL vel Legis, and sort of cut and pasted them with a few words changed and a few words added. From this he created initiation rituals, the Charge of the Goddess, the Drawing Down the Moon ritual, and more. For the full account, see Rodney Orpheus’ essay, “A New and Greater Pagan Cult: Gerald Gardner & Ordo Templi Orientis.”
http://oto-ie.org/articles-2/gerald-gardner-o-t-o/
The whole scenario is just bad form.
"We know from Gardner’s own “Book of Shadows” that he had already written the first drafts of his witchcraft initiations in 1949, a year earlier. Therefore it seems that he was either planning on running both witchcraft and O.T.O. initiations, or that he wanted to get hold of the other O.T.O. ritual texts to use as source material for the writing he was doing for the witch cult."
Personally, I see enough evidence that the organized cabal of grandmothers never existed, Sanders is at best a liar and Gardner at best an over hyped paraphraser.
Those are my own convictions on the matter.
>>439825
You shouldn't, It's pretty much fact It didn't exist; but it shouldn't be held against Wicca, blame Catholicism for the public's rejection of Charism.
>>439949
I'm very well aware of Gardner's charter for the camp of minervals he was authorized to run.
There's a decent amount of folks out there who think the three BTW degrees are related to the unpublished last three OTO degrees.
On the topic of claim validity, AC and later Spare claimed contact with the Grandmothers, and iirc, they never recanted. Chumbley did too and apparently was working on his dissertation to substantiate the claim. If his advisement committee didn't tell him to lay off, I imagine he had a somewhat sound argument.
>>439969
My apologies, I was attempting to provide sources for the audience at large as well.
There seem to be quiet a few who pop in with little historical background info on the various groups.
If I am proven wrong in the future, I will humbly admit my defeat. At this time, given the info I've come across so far, I just can't see the New Forest Coven (and similar groups) having been A Big Thing at the time.
>>440018
Hey, post any material you can, I just don't think we've got many lurkers at the moment.
And I don't even buy the Witch Cult, I'm just reconsidering my objection to it. I doubt we'll have any hard answers anytime soon.
AoT, why did you left /x/? What took you so long?
>>440279
Poor discussion quality and no other board remotely related to this topic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTLbGytEz0U
>>440284
Creepy. What mental state do you achieve by listening to this?
Thoth!
1) What is Love to you?
2) Do you believe in Eternal Bliss?
3) What compassion has to do with human race?
4) Have you ever made use of a plant of power? Which one?
Thank you, I love your collection of books.
>>440323
Um, I dunno? Maybe really light dharana? Gets me pumped for ritual.
>>440360
1) The Law.
2) Eternal for me or eternal as a baseline state? I think they are both highly conditional, and may not actually be bliss though may appear to be for some. I dunno, it's sort of one of the reasons I don't hop on the Buddhism train with more regularity.
3) Everything? Though I think it's only a very select few who ever manage to execute compassion correctly, like most other things in life.
4) Define? As in psychedelic plants? Reefer, shrooms, caffeine. I'll use ritual tobacco sometimes. Galangal and cinnamon are in Abramelin oil. Sometimes calamus.
I'm about to start implementing thorns, hemlock sassafras, various pines, oak, cherry & peach, ivy, and sometimes willow if I can find it, along with some amanitas in the grave dust. Probably more. It's WAY overdue I started getting into some plant based work.
>>440395
>How are you using your current incarnation to deal with fear? Are you satisfied with the cleaning in your heart you've done so far? I was wondering if had used DMT in any of its forms in a ritual.
>>440428
I wrongly implied this message. Too lazy to delete.
>>440425
I've used a stupid amount of DMT though almost never in ritual.
I'm of the opinion that drugs and contemplative practice are like Venn diagrams that only have a tiny tiny sliver of overlap. DMT's no substitute for a year of regular yoga. A year of regular yoga's no substitute for a few mg DMT.
No, I'm not satisfied with the 'heart cleaning' I've done thus far but feel I've dealt with more fears than I haven't and it's not like this isn't a continual process. We'll see what happens with my next run of practices and how I can fuck them up late into next year.
I don't use enough David Chaim Smith's material. That's a problem. I was but need to reintegrate it into the Dragon Book shit. How, exactly, is going to be weird to tackle. I may start with their syllable set and work from there, maybe diagram out the small handful of their Hebrew derived names.
>>440451
Thank you. My the Law help you in any difficult circumstance.
>>440451
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9ks2ty5pnk
>>440461
Nice.
Just finished personal notes for Black Sun, all that's left is to pack, so bump.
Two boughs collected, a third to go.
Chose a sturdy Kilner jar for the vessel. Kind of thing that shouldn't crack unless you throw it into a fire, which we'll be doing next december.
Got the grave-dirt. Not from an actual grave (they tend to be cemented or gravelled over here), but from beneath a tree near a tomb from a very old aristocratic family in my local graveyard. Had no coin to leave, but gave them thanks. Picked up a yew bough while I was there (yews are a graveyard tree here, as they're poisonous, hence death).
Nearly have everything I need. Ritual site is perfect, actually better than I'd expected. It'll be wet doing the prostrations, but that's about it. Bit of rushing to get the last elements tomorrow and I'm done.
One question to K- you mentioned supplemental offerings in the servitor vessels, is that supposed to happen during Black Sun? Or can it be done afterwards?
>>440896
Afterward at black moon, though I was thinking about doing something for sun - if even only hair, fingernail, saliva, and a few harsh breaths on the fire while doing the Watcher salutations.
>>440904
>afterward at black moon
So....after the ritual while you're still on-site?
Had significantly less prep time than I thought (December has a tendency to be a hectic month, what with going home to family, tying shit up at work for christmas, returning friends, etc), but SHOULD be okay provided there's nothing major missing from my script, as I have almost no time to revise it now. Might be a few points skimped over, but I have the gist of what needs to be done at least, so it should work fine.
>>440955
Just do Black Sun as is for now. Offerings don't get idiosyncratic until Black Moon, I'm rambling about my own shit in that last post.
Hey friends I just found a huge cache of Gnostic material plus more Zoroastrian stuff. Maybe enough for another update in a thread or two.
Did NOT know there was an occult general here
>>441376
Moved the thread from that other board.
Interesting bits from the recent download material:
It seems the Mandeans were using a form of meditation keying letters to the body, aspects of mind, and zodiac. They were trying to restore Adam Qadman.
Again validates my speculation last thread, this time on much of what we understand of ritual magick having origins in the Mandeans.
Also interesting, and kinda funny, is a Zoroastrian critique of the Hebrew faith. He's essentially tipping his...whatever Persian hats were popular at the time...for a few clay tables worth of "This bullshit don't make no sense." It's really kinda cute.
>>441394
9th c. CE, more like, so a few scrolls worth of shitposting against:
>Islam, Christianity, and Manichaeism, as well as Judaism
Looks like fun.
>>441394
I appreciate you doing all this!
I still have a huge backlog though
I wish there was a steady occult general.
Y'all are going to hell
Are there any books about psychic vampires in that book list?
Also are you the board owner of fringe?
>>434679
Also
>Zoroastrian Ritual in Context
Thanks for this. I like Zoroastrianism both for geek reasons, and because hoeller insists that they were some of the first non-shamanic magi. So I've always been curious how workable their rituals are.
>>441706
No. To both.
>>441904
Also have a healthy chunk of material from the Gnostics over in their folder with a Brill edition.
>>442824
I find the worldview of some of them delightful, and find they are usually great to share a cup of coffee with, but study of the Gnostic religion isn't high on the priory list. Working back through the CSOGDM again right now. After that planning another reread of kaplan Jm, then it will be onto Zo for bit, If I don't get distracted and try to side by side Zo with IR and kaplan. Side lining some reading from Stephanie Clement, because I bought a book of hers 14 years ago and never read it. Several states later I find it still sitting on my shelf and after ignoring it for so long I figure I might as well read it. Carried the thing far enough.
>>442958
I know that feel m8. I've got a copy of Godel, Escher, Bach that I've been hauling around for almost 15 years now, though I read through it when I was young.
Any good books on astral projecting?
Sup you Crowley worshipping fucks.
I just realized something amazing. The reason why my life has been so shitty is because my Svadhisthana and Manipura chakras are 100% blocked up.
Any of you have experience with unblocking really bad blockages? I'm already doing a fuckton of kapalabhati and Solar mantras for my Manipura.
Abel has been slaughtered by Cain in the Field of the First Murder
Hail to the Corpse-King
Hail to the Corpse-Queen
Hail to the Spirit of the Cemetery
Hail to Qayin Azhaka
I have no idea what I'm doing but I love just sitting up and reading this stuff all night, really makes your mind wander, especially the secret societal stuff (currently reading order of the flame and OTO material).
Thanks, keep up the very curious work
>>443521
Fuck Cain and Fuck your Enoch from Cain.
There were 2 Enochs, one was from the lineage of Seth and is the Recorder in the Book of Enoch. The other along with Cain is the "father" of Freemasonry and all these new age occult schemes which worship the fallen angels the other Enoch warned about. Hermes, Thoth, Enoch are all identified with the "Enoch" from Cain. Trismegistus (3 times great) this is where Enochian Magic Kingdom comes from is this "Enoch"
The Holy Enoch was simple and warned against the religion of the fallen angels which is New Age Occultism ITT THIS THREAD.
>>443613
Okay
>>435079
>Angel
so, forgive my ignorance, but if i understand what y'all AA cats are taking about the Silver Star in your orders name is this holy guardian angel that you commune with when you attain tiphereth. why angel then? Angel means messenger right, and tiphereht is the throne of god right? You would have experienced the personal god, why commune with a messenger and not Him?
>>443660
wouldn't communing with one's angel be like, the kether that is in malkuth or something like that? sorry about the lack of clarity, shit at kabbalah
>>443660
In john st. john I believe Crowley refers to what would later be widely referred to in is system as the HGA as Adonai, that seems more in line with my (shallow) understanding. I know that there was an influence from abramelin, but why is the HGA of abramelin equated with Adonai?
>>443521
The Primordial Gnosis of the Serpent Braided about the Heart has been transmitted as the lightning bolt cast forth from the Dragon's Heretical Eye, kindling Fire in the souls of all his Brood.
Hail PAN
Hail BABALON
Hail the Spirit of the Firstborn and Lastdead.
Hail Qayin Azhaka
>>443599
Any time, family.
>>443613
>^He mad.
>>443660
See doctrines of Crowley on the similar nature of Augoeides, Adonai, and the Angel. It's my opinion that the Angel is a highly metaphorical thing which seems to be a synthesis of the Vision and Voice of the On High.
>>443663
Depends on who you ask. Binah in Malkut is also a thing. GD has you performing LBRP to position you at the samekh pe intersection to draw down the spirit of God in Tifaret.
>>443671
Ask Crowley it's his convention and bled on through to modern Golden Dawn.
>>443715
shit not shut
Galaxy S5 keyboard is shit.
>>443660
They aren't holy guardian angels they are fallen angels God didn't reveal anything like this to Crowley. Crowley took Enochian Magic Kingdom which comes from the Enoch who was from the son of Cain, not the 7th from Adam.
This religion centers around the worship of fallen angels the fact you guys think they are holy and they call themselves "holy" is a lie
>>443753
None of these books are academic though. They're /x/-tier.
>>443761
Let's see....
"Jainism an Introduction", "Hinduism and the Ethics of Warefare in SE Asia", "Blackwell Companion to Hinduism", "Shiva Stories", "Witchcraft and the Rise of the First Confucian Empire", "Kabbalah: A Neurocognitive Approach", "Signifying the Creator" "Name of God in Jewish Thought", "Zoroastrian Rituals in Context" and "Textual Sources for the Study of Zoroastrianism" are all academic materials. I've a good number of Brill editions who publish 300$ academic texts on occultism and run Aries the peer reviewed Journal for the Scholarly Study of Esotericism (I think is the name).
Just because you don't like them doesn't make them academic material.
Unless you talk about old books that alongside their non-sense contain historical facts.
What's the point of having this thread here and not on /x/ it would rather be /lit/ thread then...
All I see here is people debating marginalized schools of thinking and commenting on books of rituals.
Are mods asleep? Why is this tolerated? Why not on /x/?
>>443833
>the discussion of history and the other humanities such as philosophy, religion, law, classical artwork, archeology, anthropology, ancient languages, etc.
This thread covers:
History of religion & ritual, philosophy (Given the Eschatology book in OP), anthropology (given a good chunk of the shamanism material is from anth journals, among other folders), archaeology (with the Moche, Mayan, and now the thing on shapeshifting in indigenous art which qualifies as art history too).
Your bitching is way more off topic than the thread.
>>443854
Even further ancient texts in the esoteric tradition are written in anything from Hebrew to Avestan to Greek to Latin to German to Enochian though I've only fielded a couple questions about Enochian on /his/. I just DL'd Karl Freidrich's copy of the Avesta in its original language and intent to upload it next update.
>>443833
Because fake thoth would be destroyed on /x/
He wants to spread his "knowledge" of new age esoteric material to everyone.
>guise wanna summon a holy guardian angel
>Well fallen angel but calls itself holy
That is what is going on
>>443917
What's your drive behind researching the occult?
Do you have a huge library at home of medieval books?
>>443929
I have a largish library at home, three shelves, one fiction, one nonfiction/academic/philosophy/history/etc., and one for the esoteric.
Right this second I think my oldest book is some rare 1920 thing Bataille wrote an introduction for. I USED to have a copy of Life in the Holy Land from like 1860, but alas it's forever with the family of an ex.
I guess my drive is that I could never quite buy into the Atheist/Christist party lines. I don't like being told this or that is the end-all-be-all of religion or matters of the spirit. In some senses you could call it a scientific curiosity (I did get my degree in arch. with a neuro minor), but I guess it's probably more *phenomenological* in most respects if we were to label what I'm doing with academic '-isms'.
I just like learning m8.
>>443929
Drive to research occult is feeling of a loss of power so it compensates for that which they lack and eventually becomes a part of them.
Having secrets makes you feel cool doesn't it
>>443951
You did not buy into Christianity?
What did you buy into? Hinduism - or works derived from there.
Most occult works that are mainstream are works of witchcraft, magic, demonic influence.
Eliphas Levi
clavicles of Solomon
kabbalah
Most of the works which tended to be more serious were proto-attempts to form a scientific field and have little to no real scientific value...
Going back to the subject many occult teachings are just assumptions and fusions of what some people considered to be core of many mainstream beliefs just like Gnosticism poped up.
Orthodoxy is a straight faith which reference itself to a set of values preached by Jesus Christ on Apostolic chain or branch.
If the oldest book you read is from 1920 anyway I tend to believe you just buy into new-age mentality and literature.
>>443991
Last time I checked there's a large difference between all of the books that I've read and the ones that I own. You silly goose
>>443991
I made a thread for you on /x/. Come shitpost there and I'll argue with you for a bit so we don't shitpost all over this thread.
>>>/x/17107826
>>443991
It's a nitpicky thing. He's one of the great teachers, but there's no room in my heart for the salvation of the Nazarene.
>What did I buy into
I hopped around for a long time; edgelord satanist, fluffy wiccan, Chaote with half a clue, at about 21-22 I started taking Thelema more seriously again and it provides a superstructure for my work to this day.
I like a lot of Hindi material, particularly Jainism, and various Agamic Tantrik sects
>demonic influence/witchcraft
Kabbalah? Seriously? Go read through the Hekhalot & Merkavah texts again and tell me they're evil. Clavicle comes from the Greek Magical Papyrus, which dealt with Greek (duh) things like worship of ancestor shades and talismans.
>the oldest book I've read
The oldest book I've read is right now the Avesta, I thought you were talking about the oldest first edition I had in my home.
When it comes to Christianity I'm partial to the various Gnostic strains that popped up shortly after Christ. Moreover, thank goodness we've got all the historical material in the OP so now we can go back and look at core practices of various groups like the Mandeans without the lensing of the early/middle grimoire tradition.
>>443991
>buy into Christianity
Like dude it is so much more than the book itself. I hate how occultist pretty much use the magic of Solomon as a propaganda and an excuse for them to do their ritual cult work.
All this stuff comes from a different Enoch not the Holy Enoch. It comes from Cain and Babylon where this stuff has thrived ever since.
"Holy Guardian Angels"
"Thelema"
"33degrees of Masonry"
It all is literally the left hand of Kaballah from the very beggining.
>Cain was a murderer from the very beginning
The new age is just accepting it blindly and doesn't exactly care for the fact that the Great Architect is Lucifer, and that Masonry is a contract with Lucifer, 33 nerves in the Spine and 33degrees of occult masonry BOOM now you can't break out of all the paths you made and Satan is literally incorporated into the Masons spine
>>444023
You are vain
>>444023
Hell if he's talking common editions of the oldest material I own that'd be...I dunno. Odyssey? Maybe some of the OT extracts from my copy of apocrypha?
>>444038
>using a shitpost as an example for a thread
At least try to apply yourself next time, anon
>>444038
What would YOU like to talk about?
>>444056
I would like to talk about how 90 % of this thread adds up in the book of Revelation
>>444047
And you think shitposting is a divine commandment. You are far more lost than me little sheep. Thinking you owe god something is the epitome of egotism. Come to /x/ lets argue.
>>444064
>22 Chapters of Rev
>22 Tarot Trumps
"Red Goddess" from Scarlet Imprint's good about some of the relation the occult has to Rev.
>>444065
Or I can just point it out here where it is relevant, I mean your opinion of me doesn't really make a difference
>Whore of Babylon
>Fallen angels (Enochian magic)
>two Enochs, one is Cain's son (murderer) and the other is 7th from Adam.
Just gonna be here for the people who think they should try scientific paganism new age without actually recognizing it doesn't come from fake thoth on 4chan but actually goes back to the Bible, book of Enoch, and also in many other sources.
This thread is Lucifer's Initiation pretty much and is the New Ages peak.
So sad how many of you new ager get into blood sacrifices and let demons posses you to make ends meet.
>>444096
last chance, come to /x/ I'm not arguing with you here.
>>444111
And adding to this, the reason I don't just ignore these topics is because I don't want to harm /his/ by standing by and having people bring /x/ responses they learned in this thread to real discussions. Also, it really hurts the board's reputation when you check the catalog and the first thing you see is a fucking occult thread. That's basically saying "shitpost freely, we're not serious about anything here."
>>444096
wewlad, I found the true shitposter
>>444111
Fair point, that post was probably not /his/ related, but it was related to the thread, which IS /his/ related. It's kind of a gray area, but there are anons here who are interested in some of this from a /his/ standpoint who would never even bother stepping into a shit board like /x/, let them (read:me) have their thread.
>>444111
https://books.google.com/books?id=BzqemZAlFdMC
https://books.google.com/books?id=vhNNrX3bmo4C
http://psychclassics.yorku.ca/Freud/Dreams/dreams.pdf
I'm going to try to pick up the handbook for the Jung thread in the library now that you mention it.
>>444106
Lol no thanks this is a good spot to sit
>>444111
I wouldn't call spirituality schizophrenia I mean it's really about finding out the true spiritual lineage and this thread is the evil that crucified Jesus and also plays a whole succession of NWO prophecy
>this anon is crazy skitzo
Like either way man it is a very important topic for discussion and it makes sense why people would ignore.
Like the two beasts of the revelation the Black Beast is Masonry and the Red Dragon is atheism
>>438444
>>438458
>>444111
dream interpretation is a topic which doesn't imply paranormal at all. in fact a psychological mindset is really useful in their interpretation. one could say the topic falls under psychology, which is an humanity study therefore it belongs more here than on /x/.
occult books, which belongs here since they are a crossover between religion and philosophy, deal with this matter a lot. most magical paths ask the initiate to keep a dream journal and i am currently starting to do it.
can anyone suggest me some good books on dream interpretation? i would prefer some relevant text coming from the field of psychology rather than the occult sphere.
>>444146
>Jung thread
Folder, more like. The Jung book in the OP was probably b8 for a dream post anyhow, but I made the thread for the books getting added to the library, of which I seem to be the only person interested in talking about.
>>444126
Y'know, I think the religion threads around here would be a bit better off if people thumbed through some of the material in the library especially now that the Zoroastrian folder's expanding, but I'm sure you disagree. People are free to shitpost all around me, won't change the fact I'm trying to offer some reliable material in the library link like Crowley's unpublished Yorke Microfilms from the Warburg Collection.
>>444165
I just linked you to three, one of them being Freud's work on the subject.
>>444146
As mentioned I'll try to track down the Jung for the Jung folder. If you want to spend money looks like it's 12 bucks USD from B&N. Probably just as cheap or cheaper on Amazon if you don't mind a pre-highlighted/annotated copy.
>>444146
>Jung
This is tricky. He was an actual psychologist who had some influence on psychology as a whole, but like Freud he was wrong on pretty much everything.
>>444197
I don't disagree?
People are talking about psychological dream analysis. That's really all I got that isn't a five dollar dream dictionary from walmart by...whoever.
If someone wants to grab a psychfag or ask them, my thing was like serotonin pathways and organic dysfunction. Cog psych. never really sacrificed my goat, dig?
>>444183
I'm a man of faith, anon, I don't subscribe to this kind of stuff, but it IS interesting to read, plus, as was said here>>444167 , a lot of the religion threads here would probably benefit by looking through some of this stuff.
>>444167
Now Ape, I'm not too sure if you've read all of this stuff, but I'm the anon who was looking through the OTO stuff, and now I'm a little spooked. See, I have lots of family who are Masons, and Christians (I'm not, but idk if that's relevant anyhow), and I have been greatly interested in joining for a while now, but the stuff in Crowley's works seem to suggest that Masonry is a front for something else? I'm not really sure if I was reading it correctly, I'm rather ignorant in all this stuff, plus I don't want to look through the books you have on Masonry before I join, because that feels kinda dirty and a breach of eventual trust, y'know?
>>444167
Yeah, fair enough. I don't see anything wrong with these threads anymore. You've convinced me.
I just had a really bad reaction when I saw this in the catalog because I was a regular /x/phile a couple of years ago and hate it for how shit it has become, so seeing a thread I used to see on /x/ "triggered" me.
>>444211
Crowley does not suggest that Freemasonry's anything other than it is, shitposts it pretty hard in spots (it's #rekt now that *I* am in charge of OTO), and some of the OTO rituals deal with Freemasonry and a deconstruction of their system. I think a few times he accuses them of being filled out with more Black Brethren than not, but it's probably a reference to them just being generally uptight.
It's up to you what you read and don't. I wish I could back up stichting argus' page and upload it but I do feel I've got them beat by hosting the actual rites of Memphis/Mizraim other than Yarker's shitty redaction.
>>444211
>man of faith
>wants to be a mason
This is exactly the kind of shit I am talking about it is a facade on both sides. A Christian cannot be a Mason eventually he has to choose a side.
>>444215
I've been a regular /x/phile longer than I've been tripfagging. You probably saw me there, migrated here for higher levels of discourse and presentation.
You're free to not like something all darn day, no fucks lost on my end, again, I just wanna present a resource archive that's better than any website like grimoar or even worse some shitty dude's articles on like ultraculture or worse.
>>444232
You know Masons make an oath to Muhammed and kiss a Christian Bible after
>>444232
>muslim
That's...new for these threads.
Um, here if you're interested in ritual:
http://www.stichtingargus.nl/vrijmetselarij/ritualen_en.html
^These guys have more than I do. My SRIA degree scripts come from them. On the other hand my library's got weirder and rarer material like the aforementioned M&M and I think I've got Swedenborgian Rite.
>>444247
Really? That seems kind of silly, tell me more!
>>444248
Well, I don't really want to spoil the rituals and ceremonies and what not, I have respect for the organization, and want to be one, I'd like to respect their desire for secrecy. I was just curious if it was actually some Luciferian cult or something off the wall like that, because, of course, that would conflict with my personal beliefs. I'll look into it some more though, thanks!
>>444280
>some Luciferian cult
Not at all but I can direct you to a handful of them ;)
Just go ask the people about it. That's really the best thing you can do if you don't want [spoilers].
