This is a thread for women who fought for
women's rights.
Pic related is Franca Viola. She brought an end to the women-shaming culture in southern Italy by refusing to settle for a repair marriage, as moral dictated for women who lost their virginity before marriage (regardless of whether they lost it willingly or not, since often a victim has nothing to prove she has been raped but her traumatic experience) by taking her rapist to court and forcing him to be condemned and pay for his crime and offense. Her trial changed the public opinion on "repair" marriages completely, exposing how oppressive and abusive they often were to the public and turning rape from a simple crime against morality to a much graver crime against the person.
>After Viola refused to marry her rapist, her family were reportedly menaced and persecuted, to the point of having their vineyard and cottage burned to the ground. These events and the following trial had a wide resonance in the Italian media, and the Parliament itself was directly involved, as it became obvious that part of the existing code clashed with the public opinion. Melodia's lawyers tried to maintain that Viola had consented to a so-called "fuitina" (a runaway to get married secretly) rather than being kidnapped, but the trial found Melodia guilty.
>Despite people predicted she could not have been able to find a suitable husband and would have ended up a spinster, Franca Viola married her childhood sweetheart, Giuseppe Ruisi, in December 1968. Ruisi, an accountant, insisted he would have married the girl he had always loved despite threats and rumours, but had to request a firearm license after obtaining the marriage license, to protect himself and his future wife. Both the Italian President Giuseppe Saragat and Pope Paul VI publicly expressed their appreciation of Franca Viola's courage and their solidarity with the couple. Franca Viola had two sons and three grandchildren and still lives in Alcamo with her husband.
>>271181
>Franca Viola married her childhood sweetheart, Giuseppe Ruisi, in December 1968. Ruisi, an accountant, insisted he would have married the girl he had always loved despite threats and rumours,
CUCCK
I bet that slut really did just get seduced then decide she didn't want ot get married to him and cried rape
>southern italy
They're basically black.
t. northern italian
Go back to tumblr to cry about herstory.
why are literally all women of historical value famous for being raped or some shit? where are all the women famous for solving scientific problems?
>>271219
Ada Lovelace created the first computer algorithm and invented programming in its ancient form, Admiral Grace Hopper invented modern programming as we know it. Both ladies. But standing up to those who wrong you is important too.
>>271219
Grace Hopper
>>271219
Because men seek greatness and women seek sympathy.
>women
>rights
>men
>"rights"
>>271308
r9k and its male userbase exist, your post has already been exposed as false.
>>271429
R9k and it's female user base exist, your post has already proven false
>implying those that post on /r9k/ seek any form of accomplishment
Women women go away, come back when you will obey.
>>271440
>r9k
>female userbase
Trannies and traps are not women no matter how much you try to convince yourself otherwise, faggot in denial.
>>271429
r9k aren't men, they are worms that have been crushed and grounded into manure.
Not even their fault desu senpai
>>271533
There is a sizeable male and female population of R9k.
>>271596
Sure sizeable by the penises both the men and the women have.
>>271219
Emmy Noether solved a number of important problems in the field of commutative algebra and invariant theory.
>>271244
Why are boys pushed to be the next Einstein yet girls are not pushed to be the next Amazing Grace?
>>271626
>Why are boys pushed to be the next Einstein
They aren't.
>>271614
Still doesn't address any sort of idea that men do things for glory and women do them for sympathy or just basic attention.
>>271646
I think that is problematic (^:
Men should be pushed and guided to so science and mechanics and war, and girls be pushed towards caretaking, house taking, and baby having.
How did we go from laughing at oppressed people for being weak to considering persecution a virtue, to the fucking point people now go out of their way to prove they are oppressed and develop a colossal victim mentality to justify any retarded behavior?
Was it Christianity or did it happen later? French revolution? Marx?
>>271656
Men do things because they think that entitles them to shit they are not entitled to, women do things because they want to. "Glory" is nothing but more attention from women and higher chance of pussy.
>>271665
Well it all started with the French revolution, and then WW2 spawned the current state of "Muh oppressed peoples (fucking j00s!)" Along with the mixture of Neo- Marxists and identity politics
>>271674
Women are men's property.
Females cannot survive without males attention
>>271680
Well Marxism is pretty much "these people are shit and are getting shafted by the smarter people, so they're the good guys and should take over and then we'll live in paradise". I mean how much of a cyclopean fucktard does one have to be to come up with such a moronic concept?
>>271664
That is extremely oppressive and abusive toward a woman individual who is not interested in caretaking, housetaking and baby having but rather is interested in science, mechanics and war. But also arts, literature, anything else that a woman takes interests in. The individual's interest must be taken into consideration and allowed to be developed freely.
>>271664
Going by that reasoning we wouldn't have computers to this day as well as many wonderful works of art, and more stuff likely.
You want a backwards world no one wants to live in. Nobody wants to live like tribe niggers.
>>271702
Opression and abusive are subjective, arbitrary, and a catch all for dykes who refuse to step in line.
I'm not saying they are required to do such things, only they will be shunned, ostracized, and rejected from society if they dont. However they likley are not to disobey if they are trained from day one.
Is it not extremely "opressive" and "abusive" to men who are dutied with supporting the family and building civilization? No.
They consider it their duty, and carry it faithfully.
But of course you only circle around the women because
A. You're either a women
Or
B. A white knight faggot seeking validation from the weak instead if improving yourself.
>>271718
WE WUZ COMPUTERS AND SHIT
>>271718
Who says we would never have computers? You're implying the small contributions done by women would not ever be discovered.
The society I am advocating is not backwards, it is one that focuses on tried and true traditional concepts; not a society that thinks women can be men and men be women.
You think I'm advocating for technalogical regression to the stone age?
Absolutly not.
But a reinstillment of our natural states as men and women.
>>271699
Given possibility to sustain one by themselves (ex, having a job), females can live without males rather well, while males go crazy and suicidal-homicidal crazy at not having a gf.
It's males who cannot survive without females. And I am solely the property of myself.
>>271244
>invented programming
Sorry, as much as i like Lovelace that is not true. She came up with the first computer algorithm.
>>271721
Of course the tyrant oppressor doesn't see the evil he's doing by oppressing others.
>they will be shunned, ostracized, and rejected from society if they dont, and more bullshit like that
Considering that society is made of women too that is not happening unless your resolve is to destroy society itself.
>Is it not extremely "opressive" and "abusive" to men who are dutied with supporting the family and building civilization? No.
It is to those who don't care for it. Also,
>building civilization
A "civilization" that oppresses its individuals is not a civilization, there is nothing civilized about it.
>it is one that focuses on tried and true traditional concepts
Of abuse, misery and oppression. That is not acceptable and a call for rebellion. My natural status is exclusively what I want to be and do, not what you want to artificially impose on me.
>>271745
>females can live without males rather well
Living in a one bedroom apartment in an up and coming neighborhood (read: ghetto in the first phase of gentrification) and struggling to pay rent because you can't get a job with you Hungarian knitting degree while posting on tumblr how you're "strong and independent" isn't living well, sweetheart.
>>271764
>created the first computer algorithm and invented
>programming in its ancient form
>first computer algorithm
>programming in its ancient form
It was the first software in a sense, softwares are programmed. If you go by the exact definition than yeah, the credit goes to Grace Hopper.
>>271244
Actually, Lovelace is a bad example of women doing scientific breakthroughs since what was actually her doing and what was Baggage's is really, really disputed.
There is really no clear cut evidence of what she did and what Baggage did.
But Lovelace makes for a good story so people run with it.
>>271792
I have a job though. It pays very nicely, no struggling for me. Wouldn't trade my independence for anything.
>>271808
>is really, really disputed
Beta males always dispute the accomplishments of women, what else is new.
>>271745
Yeah, sustain themselves while males keep this civilization going by enforcing the law and maintaining the fundamental infrastructure needed.
Until females actually get seriously involved into keeping the world going with their sweat and blood in equal shares, I would avoid talking about "sustaining themselves".
>>271780
>My natural status is exclusively what I want to be and do, not what you want to artificially impose on me.
Might want to leave society completely then because one way or another they will be imposed on you. Even the way you are raised will impose things on you. Yes even if the parents try their hardest to be of the "let's not impose anything at all" kind, they will still be imposing a mindset, a role, ideals, virtues...
I'm not even arguing with you about anything else you said, I'm just mentioning that the nature of humans is that their individuality is actually collective.
>>271815
yes, betas are notorious for their hate of women, it's totally not the contrary
alphas are definitely the ones who bow to women
>>271827
Betas are the ones who can't hold a conversation without projecting their own insecurities.
>>271815
You sound likea whiny faggot, it's not disputing it becauss she is a woman, the one who is making it about gender is you.
He is saying it's disputed because the evidence for the work isn't as clear as in well, a fuckton of other better examples of women.
But noo it has to be about your feels :^)
>>271815
Betas are the ones who suck up to women actually.
>>271798
Grace Hopper wasn't the first, sorry. Even if she was, she was working within a team so giving her all the credit is kinda odd.
The first credit of an real programming language actually goes to John Backus who created Fortran.
In fact, one of the things which Grace Hopper worked with, MATH-MATIC, was made to be an improvement on Fortran
>>271808
The algorithm is hers.
Wouldn't be the first time men steal a woman's accomplishments though. Artemisia Gentileschi, excellent Renaissance painter, often had her pictures be mistakenly attributed to her father simply because she was a woman.
>>271833
If by projecting their own insecurities you mean trying to appeal to women in order to feel better about the pathetic excuse of a male they are, you are right.
>>271181
women want their cake and eat it too, and eat the men cake too.
>>271849
WE WUZ PAINTERS N SHEIT
I AIN'T BULLSHITTING YOU!
>>271849
What
Is
The
Evidence
Of
That
Claim
>I feel society has wronged me for X, so I shall extend this belief to all aspects of existence
While this can be based on a valid belief, it's literally /pol/ack and r9k tier.
>>271846
>The first credit of an real programming language actually goes to John Backus who created Fortran.
:(
>>271846
The credit is hers because the idea was hers though.
>The first credit of an real programming language actually goes to John Backus
Not accurate. It was Admiral Grace Hopper who developed the compiler, or a program
that creates other programs. Her compiler would take words and phrases in
English and translate them into computer code. That's how the programming language
was born.
>>27186
Not the same thing
>>271833
betas are the majority of men. betas live through women, in expecting some validation of their existence when they make some random tramps orgasm or having fun or comfort them.
>>271815
>>271827
>>271833
The terms "beta" and "alpha" are meme language which have no scientific relation to original wolf pack studies they were used, let alone something as complicated as human society. You guys are fags arguing over imaginary shit, it's literally the same as astrology and the MBTI.
>>271810
>I wake up early in the morning
>spend time getting ready for work
>go to work all day
>come home
>eat
>get ready for bed
>go to sleep
>repeat
>for my entire life
>just so I can pay taxes
>because I'm independent
>>271849
WE WUZ RENAISSANCE N SHIZ
>>271821
That's not the definition of imposed though, since there is a choice is mindest, roles, virtues and ideas.
>the nature of humans is that their individuality is actually collective
Only when it serves the individual's interest. When it goes against it, time to annihiliate your enemy.
>>271882
Jesus Christ.
This reminds me of my mother who frequently hangs out with the guy who abused my sister. While my dad who isn't even a biological dad still wants to kill the guy after over three decades.
Why would a woman comply with the suffering of another woman, who is even blood related? The fuck?
>>271181
yes, no-shame for girls. judgement is very bad.
>>271181
this is what feminists believe
>>271893
Paying taxes is a good thing as long as the money is spent well, amerikeks will never understand.
Also that's not how it goes really, except maybe for r9k betas. You still are not convincing me of giving up my freedom and money like an idiot in any case.
>>271901
Eh I meant in that large parts of human personality (and by nature, wants and needs) come from our collective existence.
After years of being bullied and then going home to be beaten again I developed a personality that is averse to people. I'm happy when alone doing whatever, exercising, reading, but I don't really like people to the point of looking like a thug (gopnik) specifically so I'm avoided.
>>271827
>you either hate or worship women
>>271921
>Paying taxes is a good thing
This is why women were given the vote.
>>271935
I got bullied for years too and overcame it and become a social respected by my peers. You are just too weak.
/rel/ up in this shit, let me introduce to Lilith, the first feminist
>according to Jewish apocrypha, she was the first wife of Adam
>became 2cool4school to actually listen to God, so as an independent womyn she went out and whored herself to Satan, giving birth to all kinds of ungodly monsters, demons and retarded abominations
>the myth of Lilith could be traced down to Akkadian bloodsucking creatures
>in modern era, she becomes a feminist icon
You can't make this shit up
>>271952
>too weak
I'm not deterministic, but aren't you judging things with little knowledge?
I work and I function well enough (I only look like a thug) but I absolutely hate being around people because I don't trust them. You might say that I'm a crybaby, but I'm not complaining, nor blaming them, I am merely stating the fact that I was beaten by groups, beaten by my parents, drowned, kicked, stomped, ridiculed and ignored (by authorities).
>>271966
You left out the part where all this happened because Adam wouldn't let her have sex from the top position.
What a fag.
>>271966
She was a powerful pagan goddess turned demon by the jews, who still took no shit from their god itself. That's a really cool lady.
>>271745
Sure they can survive individually, but watch society crumble without the leadership, ingenuity, and strength of men.
>>271976
And you're still too weak to make it through the system. Don't invent shit about others to justify your own shortcomings.
>>271798
Grace hopper "invented" the first basic compiler.
>>271745
>males go crazy
Acrually males go crazy because of the high expectations. And then they realize for all of history only a portion of males was actually getting to enjoy the spoils of their toils. That is still some men.
And if some women don't go crazy for lack of males then I don't know why there is a local feminist group that keeps demanding men to start involving themselves with them.
Pro tip: they don't because these aren't even regular feminists but rather the fuckmyshitup feminism
>>271983
>can't use ctrl-f
wimmin detected
>>271622
WE
WUZ
>>271995
>watch society crumble without the leadership, ingenuity, and strength of men
Society crumbles without the self-leadership, ingenuity, liberty and independence of women, as oppressive societies are not worth being in.
These threads always turn into feminists blasting Western civilization for not allowing women to express their full potential so can anyone please show me the women in history who successfully flourished under Islam and what their accomplishments were?
>>272046
Is that why Islam is on the rise everywhere at the same time the West is declining?
>>272032
>Acrually males go crazy because of the high expectations
Of themselves thinking they're entitled to a gf just because they exist.
>>272002
What did I invent about others?
How am I not making it through the system? I am mentioning peculiarities of mine, I don't like 99% of people and only ever open up to a really small group.
This doesn't say anything of others, it is merely an example of LIFE and EXPERIENCES impacting your SELF.
See I had to put caps there because you might miss it to justify your bullshit.
Instead of actually arguing against my statement that experiences impact your personality (which is a proven fact), yoy merely attack me and call me weak. What is your endgame and why is trolling?
>>272046
correlation, causation, etc...
>>272065
Gf is the root of all societal cancer.
Signed, a gay man.
>>272065
>of themselves
Nah lad, expectations don't come out of a vaccuum. They grow up watching herodude get the cute chick, they see their dad has their mom, they see their pals getting girls. For that given example of expectation, it still arises from a social expectation mixed with a biological desire.
Quality thread.
>come to /his/ for high level history and philosophy discussion
>most active thread is just feelswarriors arguing "wimmin r bad" "no dey r gud"
rest in peace /his/ we hardly knew ye
What a shit thread.
Oh well. More proof that women are fucking useless.
>>271780
>Of course the tyrant oppressor doesn't see the evil he's doing by oppressing others.
Who is the tyrant here? How do you define tyranny? Is there a universal definition? No.
What about opression? No.
Evil? Hardly.
None of the terms you spewed are actually of weight. They are random subjective words that have no actual and concrete meaning. You're using them as a catch all.
>Considering that society is made of women too that is not happening unless your resolve is to destroy society itself.
Why would this destroy society? The process will happen naturally as soon as women and men gear towards the proper society of the halves. Where men and women work in cooperation within the roles they are best at. People do not know what they are best at, usually they do what ever falls into their lap. If we tell them what, objectively, biology has told them is best is what will have them the greatest chance for success.
>It is to those who don't care for it.
I see now that I have pointed it out you care for it. Are you going to start spewing that structures of power are relevant? Men have the innate responsibility to build, protect, and advance civilization technologically.
>A "civilization" that oppresses its individuals is not a civilization, there is nothing civilized about it.
Well then, every single civilization in the world is actually not a civilization. According to an infantile women on a Mongolian finger painting website. Opression is subjective.
We can replace this word with "suffering". And there is no avoiding suffering. We suffer because we are born, and it drives us to do great things.
>>272057
That's because of the Kalergi plan to replace the native European population with brown shits. Men's own doing.
>>272048
No one is blasting Western civilization. The only people blasted here are men like >>271664
butthurt at women who want to take care of themselves, have their individuality respected and pursue their own interests.
>>271780
>Of abuse, misery and oppression.
Women's happiness has plummeted since the 1970s, using men as a base line, so they are actually more miserable when they go againts what they are best at. What is so miserable about staying at home, cleaning for half the day, and then cooking when the husband and children return? It's easy and simple work. There is no "abuse" or "opression". Both entirely subjective.
>That is not acceptable and a call for rebellion.
The rebellion wouldn't happen, it's simply impossible.
>My natural status is exclusively what I want to be and do, not what you want to artificially impose on me.
It's not artificially imposed, it's actually quite natural. Your own arrogance is hilarious to think you can deny biology and genetics and human nature.
Silly women.
Silly, silly women.
>famous women
>rape victims, marginal people with disputed achievements and fictional characters
This thread is golden
>>272013
Your denial is hilairous. She did do something important, but she made the first basic compiler. Nothing too special and was vastly improved upon by a man very shortly after.
>>272070
Experiences do impact your personality, but ultimately you control how it imacts.
If you let some bullying influence you in that detrimental way it's your own fault. There are tons of tools to use againts ganged faggots.
>>272127
They literally have nothing else they can use.
>>272106
See the funny thing is that it only takes one question to destroy pretty much anything.
How about you prove all of that?
>>272106
>The rebellion wouldn't happen, it's simply impossible.
It already happened, and men lost. Women can now refuse to perform the role you desire for them, and you can't stop them. They objectively have more power than you.
>>272046
Ah yes, that's why western civilization is such a horrible and miserable place right?
As women only make .77 cents for every dollar males make. Right?
Western civilization never reached great and glorious heights (Roman empire, British Empire, Portuguese empire, Dutch empire, French empire, American empire) while the specific "opression" of women existed.
Oh wait.
>>272105
>denying that men are best at war, science, and engineering
>denying that women are best at homecare, family raising, and cooking
>101 posts
>23 unique IPs
So this thread is just butthurt /pol/tards and feminists whining about their distorted versions of ''history''.
>>272106
>Your own arrogance is hilarious to think you can deny biology and genetics and human nature
There's nothing ''biological'' or ''genetical'' about any of this, just a bunch of theories coming soft fields.
I suggest you actually get educated if you want to sound intellectual on the internet, anon.
>>272204
>cooking
The best chefs in the world are all men.
inb4 rape culture did this
>>272217
coming from*
>>272147
>tools against groops
I don't feel fear of being attacked, I just don't trust people, my standard for trust is set way higher. And I was a kid back then, the drowning thing happened when I was 6 and I had to be helped by a stranger. It's like asking why a little girl wouldn't be able to fight against a rapist (which also happened in this delicious family, but again, would I blame her for having bad feelings about men afterwards? Not really, everything has an impact)
>letting it influence you
But that's the thing, it influences you one way or another, even if it makes you swing wildly to another personal trend.
Coping and eventually getting over isn't the same as not being influenced.
>>272158
You haven't provided anything to argue againts, other than your silly subjective "oppression, misery, and abuse".
How do you prove any of that?
Only a moronic women would think you can "destroy" an argument with a "simple" question.
You didn't respond to any of it.
>>272182
Men always objectively have the final absolute power over women. Subjectively in the society we don't, but in a final fight we do.
>>272223
That is a result of luxury, men are very tuned to mastery, and when we have the luxury to cook ourselves; we do it pretty well.
>>272217
>there is no biological or genetic difference between men and women besides sexual organs
>man and women are fully equal in physical and technical aspects
Egalitarianism lunacy.
>I suggest you get *educated*
Do you mean indoctrinated anon? Because you're using cheap shot arguments that don't actually hold any worth because you provide no argumentation at all.
you just attempt to dismiss
>>272086
Although that expectation is delusional since they are not examining themselves and seeing where they fall short compared to their peers, and that's their mistakes. Society makes it clear lesser males such as them are not entitled to gfs.
>They are random subjective words that have no actual and concrete meaning
They have actual and concrete meaning when you want to put them into action, as you have expressed wish to. You oppress and abuse me the moment you attempt me to force me to be or to do something that harms my interest, my person, my authority, my own free will, and the well-being of my own self.
>The process will happen naturally as soon as women and men gear towards the proper society of the halves. Where men and women work in cooperation within the roles they are best at. People do not know what they are best at, usually they do what ever falls into their lap. If we tell them what, objectively, biology has told them is best is what will have them the greatest chance for success.
Biology creates individuals that do not fit into your apparent scheme though, such as men interest in cooking and women interested in programming. What you are telling them actually goes against their own biology so your model is doomed to cause conflict and fail.
>Men have the innate responsibility to build, protect, and advance civilization technologically
You should hold a referendum with all other men on earth and see how many agree. Until then, that is merely your personal belief. Cool that you believe in it, but I suggest against forcing it on those who don't share it.
>We suffer because we are born, and it drives us to do great things
Such as mass shootings because you can't get a gf. Huh-uh.
>>272242
>You haven't provided anything to argue againts, other than your silly subjective "oppression, misery, and abuse".
>How do you prove any of that?
>Only a moronic women would think you can "destroy" an argument with a "simple" question.
>You didn't respond to any of it.
Because I'm not her.
You made two claims
1) women have been less happy
2) it is biological and genetical for women to embrace traditional gender roles
I asked for evidence which means actual studies coming from reliable fields.
You won't find any for the first point so let's just automatically rule that one.
So go ahead, link all these biological studies that prove all you're saying.
>>272242
You said ''biology'' and well, the only biological proven difference between genders when it comes to brains is the action of testosterone and estrogen.
Both hormones just influence basic behaviors and that's it.
All these other ''differences'' you're talking about don't come from biology. They are all theories coming from soft unreliable fields (inb4 someone calls me a stemfag) such as psychology, evolutionary psychology, sociology and all social sciences in general.
But again, they are only theories that can't be really proven, not facts.
And more importantly, they are not related to biology.
Again, get educated.
>>272106
I'm a woman and I am quite happy with my job and my money and my western independence.
>What is so miserable about staying at home, cleaning for half the day, and then cooking when the husband and children return?
I don't get paid for it, I have to depend on someone else's money. I don't like that, I want my own money. Also it takes away more time than my job and leaves none for myself. It also expects a deference toward the husband that I find irritating.
>>272186
>Ah yes, that's why western civilization is such a horrible and miserable place right?
I never said that though, you're putting words in my mouth.
>Western civilization never reached great and glorious heights (Roman empire, British Empire, Portuguese empire, Dutch empire, French empire, American empire) while the specific "opression" of women existed
Actually all the high class women in those empires had power and freedoms comparable to those of modern western women today, the only difference being high class they needn't work as the lower class was there for that. The only difference is that now whites are the high class and shitskins the lower class, and rather than land and noble titles people hold money and good jobs as their means of power, as land has become public with urbanization and the advancement of industry while titles have become worthless.
>>272242
>How do you prove any of that?
Your existence makes me miserable, therefore I am going to avoid you and kill you if I can't. There, proved.
>Men always objectively have the final absolute power over women. Subjectively in the society we don't, but in a final fight we do.
What final fight? You live only your own life.
>That is a result of luxury, men are very tuned to mastery, and when we have the luxury to cook ourselves; we do it pretty well.
Far be it from me to deny men a luxury they enjoy then. Any man that wants to be with a woman like me must cook for himself.
>>272270
the first one is actually a quantified study.
The second is basic biological and observable fact.
Men and women are generally better or worse at certain things.
Men are inherently stronger, a bit more intelligent(nothing too drastic), geared towards STEM, and have historically held the responsibility of building civilization as per their physical and mental standards.
>>272298
>there are no inherent physiological or mentally structural differences between men and women
You are quite a lunatic.
The fields of psycology and sociology today all claim the opposite of what I'm saying. They use Focoult and social constructs as arguments.
>>272248
I didn't say some of them don't becone dellusional as fuck. Other people just have those expectations and try to work to improve themselves.
...some are lost cases kek
>>271210
>Using muslim as an insult.
/pol/ turd spotted.
>>272342
Muslim is an insult though. I'd be ashamed to be a muslim.
>>272337
>the first one is actually a quantified study.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
It's fucking not, it's a bullshit study coming from evolutionary psychology trying to push a retarded agenda.
Seriously ask yourself this: how do you even quantify general happiness?
>The second is basic biological and observable fact. Men and women are generally better or worse at certain things.
I don't think I'm denying that, however claiming that gender roles are biological is quite retarded because all the theories related to that particular dynamic do not come from biology.
They come from anthropology, psychology and sociology. All soft sciences.
>>272342
W8 w8 to be honest family, are you a MUSLIM?
Shit dude, do you literally and I mean L I T E R A L L Y have SEX with LITTLE CHILDREN?
>>272299
Though to be fair, being high class also called for more restrictions than modern western women as social mobility was not a thing back then, therefore the class had to be kept at the sacrifice of it's members' options. Still much better than being a peasant, but even so modern western women are much better off these days.
>>272242
Your whole argument seems to be "men are biologically superior to women, and thus deserve to control them", but the problem is you only take physical strength and intelligence into account. Compassion, empathy, and altruism are also human nature, as we are social animals. And in reality, men empathize with women and want them to have power. The conflict has already ended, women now have more power than you, and there's no going back. Any talk of a hypothetical "final fight" where men can still beat women is pointless, it would never happen. It's just a coping mechanism to deal with the fact that you lost.
>>272299
>I am a miserable misandrist women who hates he biological nature's
The post.
>only high class
Quite literally the point. Your "independence" and "freedom" is a glue that halts civilziation. That wealth and success was only bred in the dredges of society; where women were "oppressed" and "abused". Your "independence" and "freedom" is nothing but a luxury afforded to you by the success of men in building wondrous civilizations.
And now you turn away and reject what has built that structure?
>>272329
Ah so basically, you blame your suffering on others rather than your existence and think only happiness is important and reducing "suffering" quite literally entirely subjective and impossible to do.
It's a marxist utopian concept.
>what final fight
If there were to ever come a war or a fight between men and women for power, there is no possible way women would win.
Quite simply, men are naturally better at war.
>something about men
If you are such a miserable old hag that you refuse to cook for the man in your life, I laugh at you finding as such, a respectable one of worth.
>>272372
Gender roles are developed from our inherent physical nature. How else are they "constructed"? Nothing other than natural development from our nature.
Quite literally evolved over 250,000 years no?
Now mind you I'm talking SPECIFICALLY about women in western civilization.
Morality, and structure are passed down and must be upheld.
>>272337
People being "generally" better at this or that means nothing when it comes to the individual and its actual interests, since it means suppressing the individual self for choices that have little to no relation to it, rather nurturing it toward its own chosen interests. That is harmful and counter-productive.
>>272391
>Gender roles are developed from our inherent physical nature.
No they are not, unless you have a link to some ground-breaking biological study that supports your claim.
>How else are they "constructed"?
Again, just check out those fields I listed for some interesting neat theories. Personally I'd advise anthropology as it's the most reliable one in my opinion.
Key word: theories. Not absolute facts.
>>272389
>Your whole argument seems to be "men are biologically superior to women, and thus deserve to control them",
Incorrect, men and women are good at specific things, they should comprehensively work in a society that promotes them to those positions.
>but the problem is you only take physical strength and intelligence into account.
Incorrect, I take in historical development and what has shown statically to be true.
>Compassion, empathy, and altruism are also human nature, as we are social animals.
I am not denying such thing.
>And in reality, men empathize with women and want them to have power. The conflict has already ended, women now have more power than you, and there's no going back.
They actually don't, weak men sympathize with women as an aspect of luxury, giving them power. Women don't objectively have more power than me and they won't unless we go through a process to undo few thousand years of development in western civilization.
>Any talk of a hypothetical "final fight" where men can still beat women is pointless, it would never happen.
No, it's a show of objectivity. Or a factual point.
>It's just a coping mechanism to deal with the fact that you lost.
I have not lost anything. Women are simply decived into that they have any real positions of power.
Old, white, men still control the world.
This also implies there is even a battle here.
A struggle at all.
>>272404
I am not actively "supressing" anyone. I am guiding them, actually supporting people.
Your insane level of "EVERYONE MUST BE AN INDIVIDUAL OR THEY ARE OPPRESSED". How do you even define the individual? You cant.
It's a spook if you must. It's another catch all argumentation.
The individual rarely defines itself accurately.
>>272406
How are they developed then?
Do you have any opposing *theories*.
They just randomly come into existence?
Or they come into existence because man is evil and wants to opress everything?
>125 replies
>24 posters
Who didn't see this devolving into /r9k/ tier retards spouting beta bullshit.
>>272443
I agree, there's a lot of clucks ITT.
>>272391
How am I miserable misandrist because I want to look out for myself though? Me taking care of myself does not hinder you from living your own life, unless your own life entails oppressing the will of another.
>Your "independence" and "freedom" is a glue that halts civilziation. That wealth and success was only bred in the dredges of society; where women were "oppressed" and "abused". Your "independence" and "freedom" is nothing but a luxury afforded to you by the success of men in building wondrous civilizations
Your post makes no sense. I said that we whites are the high class now as the means of power have evolved, therefore my independence and freedom are my earned right as a white woman who holds a good job she enjoys and is more than capable at. I have no interest in returning to counter-productive, outdated structure that would deprive me of that.
>you blame your suffering on others rather than your existence
When you steal something from someone, it's you who is to blame champ, not the victim of your theft.
>only happiness is important
Yes, my happiness is very important
.
>reducing "suffering" quite literally entirely subjective and impossible to do.
Suffering is subjective though. People suffer because of their own feelings. One shouldn't make them suffer but one should also not let other make her suffer herself.
>If there were to ever come a war or a fight between men and women for power
That's not happening unless it's gays vs straights. Gays are a bad thing in your view though since they don't accept their role toward women.
>Morality, and structure are passed down and must be upheld
Morality that harms me is a wrong morality and must be destroyed.
>>272440
I told you man, fields like anthropology, psychology and sociology will give you their own answers for their question.
The whole point of this discussion is that you said that all of this is related to biology and well, it's not.
All the field of biology is gonna do is telling you about testosterone and estrogen and how it might influence certain behaviors.
But hey if you want I'll give you a theory related to anthropology that I once read somewhere, it was quite interesting.
Basically when humans were living in tribes the men were like ''alright you women have the ability of making children so let's do this: you stay safe making kids while we build a comfortable enviornment for the children''.
And yeah I'm paraphrasing right now, I'm lazy.
>>272478
for your questions*
>>272440
>I am not actively "supressing" anyone. I am guiding them, actually supporting people.
>they will be shunned, ostracized, and rejected from society if they dont
Literally a raving lunatic. You are so delusional you say you don't harm people and yet threaten harm against those who don't wish to do what you want.
>How do you even define the individual?
I am one for start.
>Or they come into existence because man is evil and wants to opress everything?
Looking at r9k I'd say this is a very plausible theory.
>>272478
What the idiot doesn't get is that society and humans have evolved from that. Now I want a comfortable environment for myself first, before getting it for my children, which I want to actively participate in building as well as I want to make sure they are raised right according to MY judgement.
>>271664
What if they don't want to have babies and take care of a house? Surprisingly (for you), not all women don't want to have children and perform traditional "female" activities, regardless of the culture they were raised in, simply because they don't like those and/or would rather achieve greatness. Similarly, several men prefer taking on those roles that are wrongly seen as unnatural for their gender. It becomes even more evident as women are given a right to express themselves in the western society.
>>272506
What you also don't get is that it's just a theory.
T-h-e-o-r-y.
Not a fact.
>>272421
>Incorrect, men and women are good at specific things, they should comprehensively work in a society that promotes them to those positions.
Why "should" they? By what power?
And why do you arbitrarily stop at men and women? If men and women should only do what they're best at, then it follows that each individual should only do what they're best at. And infinitely complex factors will prevent people from doing what's most suitable for them, so you need a powerful state to "guide" them to their optimal path. You come suspiciously close to arguing for communism.
>Incorrect, I take in historical development and what has shown statically to be true.
Humans have never done what's "best" for them. Civilizations have fallen and "progress" has been held back many times. Looking at empirical evidence in history, why do you think it's possible for people to dedicate themselves to "progressing" humanity more efficiently?
>They actually don't, weak men sympathize with women as an aspect of luxury, giving them power.
The power granted to women by "weak" men (no TRUE men) is still power, and it's as real as physical strength and intelligence. You would lose the "final fight" because women would use that power to divide men. Thus, women are more powerful than men.
>>272587
Fuck off Tumblr, the thread is over.
I actually brought some sense into it.
You kids and your dumb internet arguments.
>>272600
What's the matter? Can't handle the logic?
>>271202
>cu.ck
>slut
>rape
>thread about women
>in a matter of seconds permavirgins arrive
>"sluts whores cukold inferior lmao"
we're off to a great start.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clara_Zetkin
Calra Zetkin was a cool gal. involved in the communist party, but constantly criticizing them. had anyone listened, maybe the emergence of the third reich could have been stopped. the left denying any sort of collaboration definitely between kpd and spd definitely made it easier for the nsdap. she was heavily involved in giving women voting rights in Germany.
Look there was a thread earlier about badass Japanese women
Here >>270041
>>272680
>In 1868, during the Battle of Aizu, a part of the Boshin War,Nakano Takeko, a member of the Aizuclan, was recruited to become leader of a female corps who fought against the onslaught of 20,000 Imperial Japanese Army of the Ogaki domain. Highly skilled at the naginata, Takeko and her corps of about 20 joined 3,000 other Aizu samurai in battle. The Hokai Temple in Aizu Bangemachi, Fukishima province contains a monument erected in her honor.
Fucking Asians.
>>272491
I am saying the rejection will develop naturally. Women, by promotion, not supression.
>I am one, for start.
So you have no actual argument.
>looking at r9k this is a very plausable theory
>using a Mongolian finger painting board concentration of failures of the world as an example of men being evil and oppressive
Quite literally a misandrist.
Post a picture of your legs, let's see how fat you are (^:
>>272478
I think we're arguing generalities and we mostly agree, but no, biology and genetics will also show there are physical limits for men and women. Men's is higher.
There are differences in mental structure, and intelligence(there are more than one types of intelligence, emotional intelligence women do rank higher on)
>>272471
I am arguing with a Hedonistic misandrist. What is 4chan.
>>272692
>biology and genetics will also show there are physical limits for men and women. Men's is higher. There are differences in mental structure, and intelligence(there are more than one types of intelligence, emotional intelligence women do rank higher on)
I don't think I've ever denied any of this, the whole discussion was about gender roles.
Who knows why they exist? All we have are theories coming from soft sciences.
>>272675
>emergence of the third reich could have been stopped
but why
>>272675
Of all the women that ever lived you choose to mention a communist
>>271181
And now Italy has a below replacement-level birth rates, and it's people will be disappear to be replaced by Africans.
Thank you, Franca Viola, because you didn't want to marry that guy, you destroyed 1000 years of history.
>>272725
>And now Italy has a below replacement-level birth rates
Actually that is because most young Italians are fleeing to other countries due to Italy's economic situation being absolute dogshit.
>>272722
Most politically active women are communism. I'd go farther and say that women being politically active is communism by itself.
The only reason why women are not oppressed anymore is because the State constantly interventes in personal matters to promote policies that go against traditional values, that ends up in over-centralization of political power in the central state, which is a chief tenet of communism as a historical phenomenom.
True conservative, right-wing women would know that their places is supporting their husbands inside the house, rearing their children and building a household, not in the outside world, because since the only reason they can stand there is because of central power, being in the outside world is a pledge of alliance to that Power, whose end results will always be communism and totalitarianism (read Bertrand de Jouvenel).
And that's why I'm opposed to feminism.
>>272736
I'm sorry, I just can't take communists seriously. It's like when someone casually mentions that Earth is 6000 years old or something, he could be a nuclear physicist or something and I'd still think he's a retard.
>>272736
Dude you already got BTFO about that biology nonsense, just leave this thread alone and go to /pol/ to discuss this nonsense.
>>272731
lol what, we've had below replacement rates for many many years, from the 70s on when the economy wasn't bad at all
>>272748
Ok but where's the correlation with the Viola stuff exactly?
>>271626
they are though increasingly.
so increasingly women are going to do cool STEM shit too
>>272106
>the shining brilliance of a thousand fedoras tipping in the breeze
>>272754
not the original guy you were arguing with, but look at how it goes immediately down exactly in the years this woman was doing her thing
it also makes sense that such a change would affect fertility rates in a country that is rich but not enough to have good enough policies to support two working people into having children
in general, women entering the workforce I think has been a disaster
>>272754
>women do not marry young anymore, they spend their prime fertile years getting educated for who knows why
>even when they marry, they delay having children because they want to travel around the world and pursue "self-actualization"
>thanks to feminism women can also work outside so they don't have enough time to raise a family anyway
>oh, and now that the labour supply is greater thanks to working women, wages dropped and prices increased, so even if you have time, you wouldn't afford a child anyway
>and even if you have time and money, why would you want to have a children anyway? that's sexist and probably racist too, free women do not have children!
That's the correlation. Since Viola gave legitimacy to feminism in Italy, subsequent consequences of feminism must be blamed on her.
>>272782
>fedora tippers
>not the biggest manginas out there
*tips fedora*
>>272793
So because she refused to marry someone she didn't want and instead got married with someone she loved and actually had kids with him, Italy's birthrates went down.
Makes sense.
Not to mention that women in Italy got education and stopped marrying young way before any of this happened, but let's just disregard that.
You're a shitposter from /ita/, aren't you?
>>272773
>increasingly
I wouldn't be so sure about that. Women in STEM seems to have more or less flatlined.
Like holy shit, those physics summer school are absolute sausagefest.
>>272743
the guy you were replying to is not me (the guy who posted Clara Zetkin)
you could've told by the way I mostly use lowercase
>>272818
Dude stop being obtuse, her actions weren't just a local story that we happen to know today, she made the news nationwide, started a debate and generally increased a lot the momentum of the emancipation movement.
>>272835
Well she's still alive and sounds like she's just your average old Italian granny now.
So just send a complaint letter to her address.
>>272736
you need to let a strong womyn figure step on your balls with high heels through a diaper, that'll open your eyes
>>272782
Fedora tipping is for atheist keks.
I'm an all mighty Lutheran (^:
>>271966
>posts made up religious faggotry
>you cant make this shit up
actually, someone did
>>272692
You are literally presented with an individual person and you scream like a retarded child.
>I am saying the rejection will develop naturally. Women, by promotion, not supression.
Until now suppression is all you have advocate for by screaming insults at women who want to take care of themselves.
>>272725
History has no right to make even one woman suffer. She has the right to do what's best for herself and she was right to do what she did.
If they asked me to choose between sacrificing 1000 years of history and sacrificing my life, I sacrifice history because a history that makes me suffer is meaningless to me.
>>272835
Italian here, her actions made tons of women's lives better. A Italy that shits on its women is not an Italy worth keeping.
>>273598
>right
>implying
also
>suffer
really? are you going to strawman like that?
>>273589
Top kek.
You think you can simply define "the individual".
Women where do you live?
>>272793
>>women do not marry young anymore, they spend their prime fertile years getting educated for who knows why
Themselves. As is my right to. I will kill you if you try to take that from me.
>even when they marry, they delay having children because they want to travel around the world and pursue "self-actualization"
As is my right., My self is more important than you.
>women can also work outside so they don't have enough time to raise a family anyway
Which means more money and wealth for me. You deserve death for wanting to take that away from me.
>oh, and now that the labour supply is greater thanks to working women, wages dropped and prices increased, so even if you have time, you wouldn't afford a child anyway
Don't blame women for the euro and the retarded economic policies since joining it. Euro-free countries are doing much better and women are educated and work as well, I live in one.
>and even if you have time and money, why would you want to have a children anyway? that's sexist and probably racist too, free women do not have children
This is just pure retardation on your part.
Femanon here, I work and am soon going to have a family while working like my mother did. I will educate my sons to ostracize niggers like you and my daughters to repudiate pieces of shit like you.
>>273615
I prefer it to an Italy that goes extinct because m'precious m'ladies have 0 interest in having some responsability in the well being of the state, which starts with actually reproducing.
>>273652
>right
there's that buzzword again
be glad that males are enforcing those "rights" for you, it might not always be the case if history tells us something
>>273622
With Chad away from useless social rejects who should be shot on sight, such as you.
>>273663
nice strawman but you implied every woman suffered because of history, as if suffering isn't a genderless issue for most history and as if women haven't been coddled for all history in exchange of taking care of the home and the kids, wow, such suffering on their part!
>>273666
Why would women have any responsibility toward the well-being of a state that does not care for their own well-being though? That's retarded. Italy deserves to go extinct. The well-being of the state starts with the well-being of its actual citizens, not its potential ones.
>it might not always be the case if history tells us something
Shitskins and their women can shit themselves to death for all I care, any males that uses force will get killed.
>>273695
>Why would women have any responsibility toward the well-being of a state that does not care for their own well-being though? That's retarded.
Right, that's why males should grow some balls back and force them to do it, since they can, as they are mightier.
Unless you unironically believe women have any part in guaranteeing their freedom.
>Shitskins and their women can shit themselves to death for all I care, any males that uses force will get killed.
By other males if you are lucky internet though m'lady.
>>273676
I implied nothing and you are a butthurt little beta mad at being proven wrong. She and others like her were made to suffer because of shit men like you and she liberated herself from the tyranny of such shit men unworthy of reproducing. Such men should be castrated at birth.
>coddled
Being denied your freedom to choose your life for yourself and being forced to renounce your life for a bunch shit droppings you don't want is not being coddled. Women who kill babies who are forced on them only do the right thing, those shit dropping need their skulls smashed to death. A girl I know tossed her newborn kid in the trash because she didn't want it and was forced to have it and she only did the right thing.
>>273670
>Chad
Falseflagging robot pls go. Chad is a country in Africa.
>>273710
>Right, that's why males should grow some balls back and force them to do it, since they can, as they are mightier
Not really they can't, unless they want instant death of their population by slaughtering of kids by their mothers and murder of husbands by their wives. I am ready to kill any little piece of shit that is forced on me, the baby needs the mother doesn't it? But the mother doesn't need a shit baby from a shit man. So I will smash its head until its dead and I will keep doing so for every one I am forced to shit out.
>By other males
Nah, by their own spouses. There's good man-butching knives in the kitchen.
>>273733
>I implied nothing and you are a butthurt little beta mad at being proven wrong. She and others like her were made to suffer because of shit men like you and she liberated herself from the tyranny of such shit men unworthy of reproducing. Such men should be castrated at birth.
I'm definitely the buttholocausted one here, definitely.
>Being denied your freedom to choose your life for yourself and being forced to renounce your life for a bunch shit droppings you don't want is not being coddled. Women who kill babies who are forced on them only do the right thing, those shit dropping need their skulls smashed to death. A girl I know tossed her newborn kid in the trash because she didn't want it and was forced to have it and she only did the right thing.
wow you truly are mad as fuck, clean that foam of your mouth m'lady
my grandma had 8 children and she is probably one of the happiest people I know, and as far as I know she was neither forced at gunpoint, nor she was totally free to do else
she just stopped being a whiny little child, followed a traditional path of womanhood and got happy with that
there's no need for violence when there is some righteous cooperation for the well being of everyone, but apparently asking women to consider the importance of having kids for the social being of society is misogyny
>>273755
>Not really they can't, unless they want instant death of their population by slaughtering of kids by their mothers and murder of husbands by their wives. I am ready to kill any little piece of shit that is forced on me, the baby needs the mother doesn't it? But the mother doesn't need a shit baby from a shit man. So I will smash its head until its dead and I will keep doing so for every one I am forced to shit out.
Yeah that's definitely how things would turn out, holy fuck you are deluded.
>Nah, by their own spouses. There's good man-butching knives in the kitchen.
I hope you found a good beta providing manlet then, otherwise it might not be that smooth.
>>273773
It's /r9k/ trolls posting outrageous shit to make you hate women. The poster you're replying to is very likely a dude, and a beta at that.
>>273762
>I'm definitely the buttholocausted one here, definitely.
Thanks for admitting that.
>my grandma blah blah
I don't give a fuck about your grandma, I am not your grandma and I live my own life as I see fit. Deal with it or getting to have your shit children killed. The well-being of everyone means MY well-being too which you are completely dismissing, therefore it is my right to return the favor to you.
>>273663
You are a person. Sure an individual, but actually defining what you are is completely impossible. It is because the "individual" is always changing. However we can predict heavily what you will be best at.
You're resorting to the weakest arguments you can and then ignore the rest of the concept.
>>273670
>is married
>is a social reject
Wew lad
>you live in Chad
>not a social reject
So you're black and a women? Two of the worst combinations! (^: Now tell me are you a single mother?
>>273652
You have no inherit rights.
Post revolutionary faggot.
Even with the development of the idea of "universal human rights" education is not a right.
>>273811
>As a woman
>I'm a girl
>I'm a woman btw
>I WILL KILL YOUR KIDS AND FUCK CHAD U MAD BETA
Yeah this is completely genuine and not /r9k/ bullshit shitposting alright
>>273807
She has more power than you, and she uses that power to establish her rights.
>>273811
You have no rights nor liberty.
I doubt you'd be able to kill you child.
Wait, I forgot. Liberals exist.
Anyway, the vast majority of women wont. So you'll end up in the dead pile of social rejects.
Or go whore yourself out since that's the most valuable commodity you have.
>>273785
I suppose.
But I don't really hate women, they just disappoint me in how little they seem to care(as a whole) about the society that guarantees them in the first place their freedom to do shit.
Some responsibilities aren't written on paper, but are social. Males are expected to work and make society work, and if you don't and spend your time being a manchildren, you are rightfully shamed for that.
But god almighty you try to say something to women on that. God almighty you try to point out certain responsibilities that come along being part of a free society and having an uterus.
See, here's the perfect example of what I'm talking about >>273794
>>273794
You're right, you're not that man's grandmother.
You're a moronic child called a women in modern society.
Strong, independent, and too stupid to see that she is but enslaved to her own conviction and emotions.
You'll break down sooner or later honey, and you'll have to stop being so "strong and independent".
Go ahead. Post your body fatty.
>>273827
I'm actually agreeing with you, just a heads up you're replying with walls of text to the most obvious bait on this board.
>>273797
>actually defining what you are is completely impossible.
I'm an adult woman for start. I am very good with IT stuff which is what has always interested the most. Never felt the desire or interest for a bf or children, at least not at the expense of my own happiness.
>>273807
I have inherit rights though and none shall take my inheritance from me. Also yes, education these days is a right too, at least for the good part of society.
>>273797
White and planning marriage with a better man than you.
>>273811
>I am ready to kill to defend my rights and liberty.
that's commendable, I'm just suggesting you that things might not turn out well for women if it came down to men vs women
you might end up strapped in a basement pooping a kid a year
>there's nothing outrageous about fighting for your rights.
you are absolutely right, but you should reconsider the "fighting" part in this case, see above
compromise might be necessary, and this isn't true just for the men/women dichotomy
>>273822
Incorrect.
I have much greater power than most women I can think of.
She is granted her "rights" (the dumbest concept to infect the human mind) by men.
Men who would absolutly obliterate her if she tried.
Go away whiteknight.
If you need to be "empowered" by other groups of people, you have none of it inherently. That's all I have to add.
The word is gross.
>>271181
So initially she never accused the man of rape after they had sex, but then when she was being told to marry him because her value as a wife was diminished she accused him and through the court system proved that he raped her ?
>>273838
>I'm an adult for a start
Ah more generalities that really don't mean much. You can never define "the self" dear. Especially if you're a women.
>never plan on getting a bf or children
...
>white and marrying a husband soon
So you're literally just trolling now.
Anyway;
>at least at the expense of my own happiness
Hedonist. A vile misandrist hedonist. There is no way someone competent could use such inane rhetoric.
>I have inherent rights
No you dont.
If you do. Prove it. You're nothing but an animal.
And education has never been nor will be a right.
>>273841
Why do you think men granted her those rights? Because she has power over them.
>B-BUT MUH MUSCLES I PUNCH HER OUT
Male strength is literally nothing compared to a woman's power, the power to bind Chad to her will and have him punch out a beta like you.
>>273823
Yes I do as I take them for myself as is my right to.
>I doubt you'd be able to kill you child.
If it's from a shit man like you, as I will. You shouldn't be allowed to reproduce.
>So you'll end up in the dead pile of social rejects
That's males. And I will add your body to the dead pile myself.
>>271892
Seriously this alpha/beta/kek buzzwords are getting really annoying.
Human status and hierarchy, especially male status and heirarchy, is very complex and relative to the situation. Alongside the rules of the society in question.
>>273834
I'll be laughing at you when you will still be shitposting here and none of that will have happened.
>>273860
>all of this projection from a snarky beta whiteknight
Stay buttmad kid.
She is quite literally granted the "rights" she has by men.
She doesn't have power over them, they have allowed her to folly and doil in men's domain. It's only a privilege of luxury.
>>273861
>Yes I do
No you don't.
>you shouldn't be allowed to reproduce
Oops, I have. Twice.
And if I desired to do so with you; rape is always an option. Do you know why we have a wondrous civilziation today? Because men went out from their little city of Rome, and stole the daughters from their fathers, and raped them.
>>273868
Women act no greater than 12 year olds in a bicker fest.
>>273827
Nobody has any responsibility to society senpai
>>273839
>you might end up strapped in a basement pooping a kid a year
I'd rather go the suicide terrorist way before letting that happen. Muslim women can do it, so can I.
>>273855
They didn't have sex, he forced himself on her and kept her captive against her will. He said that marriage shit to her father. She escaped and brought him to justice.
>>271181
>ran home to her friendzoned high school beta best friend after Chad Thundercoccino gave her the slut's treatment
lel
>>273875
In a healthy society people believe they do and others have too, this is what matters, even if ultimately we're all individuals, etc..., etc..., not certainly in this ill nihilistic society so focused on individualism that it forgets free cooperation is ultimately what makes society possible.
I mean, whatever, if people don't believe they have any responsibility they are free to do that, I just think you ultimately collapse society itself when you don't directly care about it anymore. You reap what you sow. You give freedom to people in the hope that they give back by not turning their back on society, and they don't. This is how you go back to a non-free society.
>>273858
I can define myself very well, you are just a dumb who doesn't even know himself if you can't.
>So you're literally just trolling now.
No. Can you read, retard? I never had the desire for bf and children, especially not at the expense of my own happiness. My bf is a good man who respects me and my interests, therefore I am ok with having children in the future with him, as with him it does not entail giving up my life - both work and private. Maybe if more men were like him women would have more children, instead of man like you who vomit every child-related burden on the woman and demand her she destroy herself for your shit spawn.
>Hedonist.
Sure if hedonist means someone smart enough to only do what's best for herself.
>You're nothing but an animal.
So are you, except I am determined in having only the best for myself.
>And education has never been nor will be a right.
It already is dipshit.
>>273872
>Oops, I have. Twice.
You raped a woman twice? Congrats for outing yourself as a criminal, but you sound more like a troll.
>rape is always an option
So is murder of the little shits and you, since you are legalizing crime in your post.
>Do you know why we have a wondrous civilziation today? Because men went out from their little city of Rome, and stole the daughters from their fathers, and raped them.
>raped
You keep saying that word, that does not mean what you think it means in that context. Death is all you deserve.
>>273904
That's okay since the individuals in the non-free society will fight for their rights and freedom as a non-free society is shit.
>>273889
I hope you get raped, permavirgin beta shit.
>>273931
>female "banter"
>>273927
That sound like when you give children a toy, they stop giving a fuck about the rules, fuck shit up, then scream like babbies when daddy takes it away until daddy gives it back, and back to start.
Is that really the kind of society you want?
Going back to a non-free society is probably not a very smooth process, and could be avoided by simply believing in society and giving back without big daddy government having to eventually force you to because you don't give a single shit.
>>273872
>Children whose births result from rape have been killed by their mothers at various times in history; during ancient and medieval times, such infanticide was not prohibited. Children of war rape are also at risk due to neglect by traumatized mothers unable to provide sufficient care.
>In 1937 the Japanese army took over Nanking, which at the time was the capital of China. In the resulting seven-week occupation known as the Rape of Nanking, as many as 80,000 people were raped.[46] Chinese women and girls of all ages were raped, mutilated, tortured, sexually enslaved, and killed; unknown numbers of them were left pregnant.[46] Many pregnant Nanking women killed themselves in 1938, and others committed infanticide when their babies were born.[46] During the rest of the 20th century there was no record of any Chinese woman acknowledging her child as having been born as a result of the Rape of Nanking.[46]
>For a mother who raises a rape-conceived child, both the traumatic effect of the rape and the child's blood relationship to the rapist can create significant psychological problems for both mother and child.[69][72] If a woman decides to keep and raise the child, she may have difficulty accepting it, and both mother and child face ostracism in some societies.[73]
Tl;dr: rape does not work as a babymaking device. The mother will kill the baby and if she can't, she will kill herself and the baby while it's still in her, or abuse throughout life out of hatred until it kills itself.
>>273954
>believing in society and giving back without big daddy government having to eventually force you to because you don't give a single shit
I don't believe in a society that involves shit people like you. Cleanse society of yourself and your ilk and we might talk.
>>273918
Ah so I am discussing with a child.
Off then I am.
Why would I think I could have an intelligent discussion with a self obsessed misandrist hedonist.
I'll just watch the thread and laugh.
>Romulus and his gang didn't rape the Sabine women.
Wew lad
>>273942
It's pretty funny desu.
It's like they are four year olds in the insult department.
>>273954
>non-free society
Since the French revolution I have significantly less freedom.
>>273960
>think modern women will do the same
>thinking men won't just raise the child seperate or kill the women that murder the children
Yes, I'm sure Rome didn't work right?
Right?
>>273971
>shit insults from a mad beta
Are your children a little dark in the skintone?
>>273968
top tier buttdevastation there
you are obviously out of arguments and blinded by you impotent female rage
stay proxified by males my roast
*performs internet argument victory dance*
psh, nothin personnel cunt
*teleports away*
>>273982
I have no use in espousing my personal life on a fingerprinting appreciation site.
I'm not so egocentric to desire validation from a hedonistic misandrist either.
>WAAH WOMEN SHOULD DO WHAT I WANT THEM TO DO NOT WHAT THEY CHOOSE
authoritarian manchildren
>>273954
>and could be avoided by simply believing in society and giving back without big daddy government having to eventually force you to because you don't give a single shit.
>muh disguised utopia
>just do X radical change in society guys, not a big deal ;)))
>i swear im interested in politics not in science fiction
>>273995
>WAAAAH I AM FREE TO DO ANYTHING INDEPENDENTLY OF THE CONSEQUENCES MEN PLEASE KEEP ENFORCING THE LAW WHILE I BEHAVE LIKE A CUNT
downie womanch- ehm children
>>273971
>Since the French revolution I have significantly less freedom.
holy shit you're actually one of those dork enlightenment reddit faggots
my fucking sides
>>273971
Rape in that context means only abduction, retard, nothing else. And you're trying to pass a piece of mythological legend for historical fact which is retarded, might as well quote the Bible saying the sun halted and claim it's the sun rotating around the Earth. Idiot. That episode is a mythological retelling of a wedding ritual common in the area.
>I'm sure Rome didn't work right?
Rome allowed freedom and power and liberty (according to one's class of course) to her women, that's why it worked while it did.
>>274007
I don't understand how you carved that stuff out of that message but none of your implications are what I meant.
>>273971
>Since the French revolution I have significantly less freedom.
People who want to abuse others do not deserve freedom.
>>273990
Yeah your children are niggers.
>>274016
So you want traditional gender roles back, but you also seem mad that men have to do such things as "enforce the law" (there are actually a growing number of women in the police forces of developed countries, something you without a doubt see as a problem).
What is "behaving like a cunt"?
>>274023
You say you will get your utopian society where everyone is happy to contribute if women just destroy themselves and give up their rights and freedom and make themselves miserable for entitled, abusive men such as you. Are you a muslim?
>>274023
>just start believing in society again
That's a COMPLETE utopia, even moreso than any stupid Marxist dream. Any political solution that starts with "just" should be automatically disregarded.
>>273971
>>think modern women will do the same
Rape of Nanking happened in 1937 sempai, that's modern times.
>>thinking men won't just raise the child seperate or kill the women that murder the children
I thought you said taking care of the baby was a biologically and traditionally female role. Which men will be entrusted with baby care? Effeminate gays? I wouldn't do that sempai, that's the biggest pool of pedophiles out there.
>kill the women that murder the children
Which means no more children because no more women to make them with. Too bad! :)
>>274037
>you also seem mad that men have to do such things as "enforce the law"
I'm not, just telling how it is, that rights are enforced by males, simply because they are the vast majority of the police forces and army and because, in the dichotomy male/females, are the biologically mightier gender.
Also, women in the police are constant laughing stock for everyone involved, let's have a serious discussion here.
Behaving like a cunt is for instance enjoying your freedom and at the same time dismissing any role in society that actually matters.
>>274042
Nope, this wouldn't be necessary as long as women freely understand that their uterus is needed by everyone else.
They can be free in exchange of having some responsibility.
Sorry but as long as we don't develop artificial wombs, you are not free to go :^)
>>274044
So what do you propose?
If something needs to be done, I'd rather have a society in which people do it freely than a society where a centralized government forces you to do it.
https://www.yahoo.com/health/surgery-could-give-men-wombs-1302360099545142.html
Thoughts?
>>274087
>in the dichotomy male/females, are the biologically mightier gender
But males need females to live, and if the female is not happy she can remove herself and the offspring from the male's life, effectively destroying him. So many men whining about their life being empty and meaningless without a gf while women are doing just fine by themselves.
>their uterus is needed by everyone else.
A woman's uterus only belongs to herself. You need something that belongs to another? You pay the price the owner wants in exchange of it, or you suffer the consequences. Simple as that.
>They can be free in exchange of having some responsibility.
I have no responsibility toward a piece of shit like you. Your genes must be removed out of the gene pool for the sake of a better society in the future, in fact every inferior male such as you should never reproduce for the sake of actual evolution.
>you are not free to go :^)
I'll kill you first.
>If something needs to be done, I'd rather have a society in which people do it freely than a society where a centralized government forces you to do it.
Try respecting women for a start.
>>274111
Nice page not working.
Women can only develop if truly disonnect ourselves from the urge to push them back into traditional roles.
Take them seriously, and teach them to assume responsibility for their mistakes. Don't let them narritivize everything.
>>274037
I have no problem with being the builders, protectors, and developers of civilization.
I have a problem with infantile women sucking down the entire bowl of candy that men handed them and dying of sugar induced coma.
Women have now proven incompetent with out strong men in their life.
>>274120
>But males need females to live, and if the female is not happy she can remove herself and the offspring from the male's life
You underestimate the power of education. Societies past 100 years ago worked perfectly fine with high fertility rates and women were convinced they had to have kids and stay at home.
And right now, the only reason why you are allowed to talk here, is because males actually convinced themselves(or rather, some market forces would probably be the right responsible) through indoctrination that they should've let you.
>A woman's uterus only belongs to herself.
>implying property "rights"
>I have no responsibility toward a piece of shit like you. Your genes must be removed out of the gene pool for the sake of a better society in the future, in fact every inferior male such as you should never reproduce for the sake of actual evolution.
buttragnaroked insults don't constiutute an argument outside tumblr
>I'll kill you first.
and then you wake up :^)
>Try respecting women for a start.
when they earn it I will
>>274017
>enlightenment fags
Sorry, you know what that term means right?
I'm a traditionalist. Functionally and ideologically
>>274020
>the rape of the Sabine women didn't happen.
K.
>Rome allowed freedom and power
K.
>>274025
Abuse is subjective. In no way can it be defined or quantified.
You disagree with me.
You're absuive. Therfore you have no freedom.
>>272736
Explain to me how what you described is the reason women are not oppressed anymore. There might be some PC pressure from the gov't and its prevailing sentiments but they don't force equality and progressive ideals.
>True conservative, right-wing women would know that their places is supporting their husbands inside the house, rearing their children and building a household,
So...'true' equals drinking the kool-aid?
Jesus and you call communism stupid...
>>274185
Women were never oppressed.
Opression quite literally has no essential meaning.
They were in a more natural state (^:.
>>274158
There is literally not a single woman you can respect? Not ONE?
You must have had a loving mother ;)
>>274191
DUDE WORDS DONT ACTUALLY MEAN ANYTHING LMAO
A dual-role society, with men in the "hunter", agent role and women in the "gatherer", homemaker role, was one of the primary reasons homo sapiens bested the Neanderthals
I think that's worth considering
>>274192
as a whole I don't respect modern women a lot, or at least the most feminized ones, but I can definitely respect single ones, especially when they embrace their feminine side to compliment the male side of a lucky one, and understand their unwritten role in society
my mom is a cool woman, thank god I'm from a relatively traditional "backwards" society though
>>274212
Are you muslim?
>>274205
Did I say that?
Opression means something.
But it has no weight.
>>274211
So, we need to maintain traditional gender roles, lest the neanderthals get us? You got me spooked.
sounds like the earliest proponent of the 'rape culture' myth
worthless cunt tbqh fahm
>>274250
In a society where you're expected to marry your rapist, rape culture can hardly be called a myth desu.
>>274230
Nope, culturally from Catholic upbringing and fedora tipper.
