Were the Soviets the good guys?
>>1124634
They did a lot of wrongs.
>>1124634
Thats a sweet ad, for sure.
>>1124634
>Revisionists
>Good guys
>invested in the exploration of space before it was cool
>tried to liberate the world from the brutal rule of the aristocracy that has lasted 10,000 years
>had the most utopian view of the future
Yes.
>>1124648
I bet you still think the Boston Massacre was a massacre.
>>1124646
gommies were pretty aesthetic
>>1124634
There are no good guys in history.
>>1124704
Yet they did not manage to achieve any of those premises. Power corrupts.
no, they were a belligerent totalitarian dictatorship bent on expanding their military power and they caused suffering for millions with their proxy wars, but most of them meant well
>>1124717
Very.
>>1124721
Except:
They DID explore space.
They DID depose the aristocracy and give more power to the common man.
They DID produce the best utopian science fiction novels.
What lies have the capitalist pigs been telling you?
yes, before they were suppressed by the bolshevik comissarocracy
>>1124735
Efficient.
>>1124754
And unesthetic and shitty and ugly.
![450px-Ussr_elections_1974[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/XgLWzcV.jpg "450px-Ussr_elections_1974[1].jpg")
>>1124743
>They DID depose the aristocracy and give more power to the common man.
Look at those candidates in an election ballot.
>>1124743
>They DID explore space.
Not a big deal
>They DID depose the aristocracy and give more power to the common man.
What were all those purges and those nomenklaturas but tsardom practiced by the party?
>They DID produce the best utopian science fiction novels.
You're right: F -- I -- C -- T -- I -- O -- N
>>1124704
>utopias are a good thing
>>1124743
"More power to the common man"
As far as aristocracies with a landed gentry go - sure.
Though you could argue that's like smashing eggs with the shells, then forcing someone to eat it.
Technically you fed them, but that could have been done in a less retarded manner.
However - for places like Poland, the Baltics, Karelia and so forth it was a massive step back in liberty for the common man - both political and economic.
>>1124721
Yes, the good guys lost and capitalism won.
>>1124758
I don't read their backward language.
>>1124762
>Not a big deal.
You're a faggot and I hate you. Space is serious business and very important.
>What were all those purges and those nomenklaturas but tsardom practiced by the party?
What's your point? That has very little directly to do with the FACT that the aristocraccy was deposed and more power was given to the common man.
>You're right: F -- I -- C -- T -- I -- O -- N
Yeah, and absolutely no one misunderstood that. Fucking hell.
>>1124785
Typical western commiecuck.
>>1124787
>You're a faggot and I hate you. Space is serious business and very important.
Go back to YFLS you teenage moron.
>>1124785
"Leave the name of a SINGLE candidate you vote for, cross out every other one".
That ballot has one candidate.
>>1124787
So you hate me? Ok champ.
>>1124787
How was more power given to the common man when it was basically just the nomenklatura forming a new form of aristocracy? Common man didn't have any sort of say.
>>1124793
We love democracy. And when we are ultimately democratically elected democracy has succeeded and is no longer needed.
>>1124792
>space is awful and I hate it
Fuck off internet entirely, misanthropic scum.
>>1124837
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6n8Vt9aTOs
>>1124788
I'm not a communist.
>>1124844
Well that's a nightmare and a half. Why are you posting that?
>>1124810
As I understand it life was still better for the common man than they were before the revolution. There is always going to be some sort of class structure no matter what though.
>>1124847
Because it's related to your post.
>>1124850
How?
>>1124862
The lyrics, nigga.
>>1124864
This is an English speaking board tho. Why would you think some random ass anon on an English speaking board can understand the gibberish coming out of slavic mouths?
>>1124870
You're in no way qualified to talk about the USSR if you can't understand Russian.
>>1124872
Do you usually use your second language as an excuse to state your opinions as fact? I wouldn't characterize someone who seeks the first excuse to end a discussion as someone who particularly values knowledge and discourse. You people are much too common in the world.
>Do you have a physics or engineering degree? No? Then you have no grounds to talk about renewable energy versus fossil fuels. I win. Goodbye.
>>1124872
>You're in no way qualified to talk about the Roman Empire if you can't understand Latin.
>>1124897
Agreed amicus meus. You're pretty much a retard if you don't understand classical languages anyway and should refrain from discussing history.
>>1124902
Get a load of this guy.
>>1124872
>You're in no way qualified to talk about Novgorod if you can't understand Old Church Slavonic.
>You're in no way qualified to talk about Mercia if you can't understand Old English.
>You're in no way qualified to talk about Aryans if you can't understand Proto-Indo European.
>>1124717
The Soviets did turn quite jelly as soon as the USA got a lead in the space program.
>>1126172
It really is true to some extent to be honest. If you want any sort of a deep understanding you’re going to have to work with primary sources eventually.
>>1124849
Can that really be attributed to the new political system rather than the economic growth?
While Stalin did make the economy grow, Russia had been in an industrialization already under the Tsars, so in the long run they would have been about as good off.
Maybe even better off if they would have been able to dodge their leader cults from world war 2, simply because the survival of the tsardom was dependent on the first world war and the following second world war.
>>1126401
>While Stalin did make the economy grow, Russia had been in an industrialization already under the Tsars, so in the long run they would have been about as good off.
That's what capitalism apologists always say, but the tsar had decades to industrialize Russia and raise living standards, and he didn't. Stalin accomplished more in 30 years than the Russian monarchy did in hundreds of years. I don't believe things would have suddenly been much better if given just a few decades more.
>>1126543
Maybe i am wrong, but Russia was having an at least decent economic growth before the war.
>>1126543
>Stalin accomplished more in 30 years than the Russian monarchy did in hundreds of years.
>I don't believe things would have suddenly been much better if given just a few decades more.
What a remarkably puerile understanding of technological and social progress.
>>1126390
And it's really not true too because someone who doesn't speak Russian can know Russian history more than a native speaker. It's an idiotic form of argument.
>>1126846
Pretty doubtful as the non-Russian speaking "expert" is inherently just uncritically repeating something that someone else told him, while the Russian speaking expert can actually verify his sources.
>>1126846
>someone who doesn't speak Russian can know Russian history more than a native speaker.
Of course they can, but it's nonetheless true that someone dedicated to the field who can speak the language will certainly have access to a lot more information that someone who doesn't. In the case of /his/, though, discourse isn't at a level high enough for this to matter, so you're right about it being a shit argument.
Yes.
It doesn't take much to notice that the USA is very clearly the worst thing to happen to world peace in the past century.
>>1124719
Yes there is, the proletariat.
Yes. At least compared to modern bad guys who are ISIS.
>>1126859
I didn't say expert. I said native Russian speaker. That's what the anon's argument is predicated on. That non-Russian speakers should shut up and just trust what he says because he speaks Russian.
>>1126874
In which case this tangent is over, because the anon was implying that anyone who doesn't speak Russian shouldn't be allowed to discuss Russian history, implying that he knows best because he knows Russian.
>>1126903
You mean the USA.
>>1126874
> In the case of /his/, though, discourse isn't at a level high enough for this to matter, so you're right about it being a shit argument.
I disagree because since these arguments are not occurring at a high level we can automatically assume the Russian speaker has better sources about Russia than the non-Russian speaker.
To put it another way
Russian speaker: Opinion about Russia + Source (speaking Russian makes them a primary source)
Non-Russian speaker: Opinion about Russia
No matter what level of discourse the Russian speaker will inherently have better sources than the non-Russian speaker if all else is assumed to be equal.
>>1126913
He should because he has no direct experience to counter what the Russian speaker says.
Who has a more trustworthy opinion about the handling of Indy cars, some guy on the internet or some guy on the internet that actually raves Indy cars?
Wikipedia does not trump actual experience.
No, Patton could have taken Moscow had it not been for Eisenhower and other politically ambitious generals, as well as others back in the states.
FDR was too friendly with the Soviets as well.
>>1124719
Napoleon
>>1126913
Also note that I put expert in quotation marks implying the person in question is not an actual expert.
>>1126894
Not included is the attempted coup on Chavez back in 2002.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Venezuelan_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat_attempt
Don't trust C*bans
>>1124634
No. We weren't the good guys either, though.
>>1126972
> actual experience
> in fucking history
>>1126998
He's pretty correct. I know this since I studied tons of primary Austro-Hungarian sources and know that 99% of common perception about it is nothing but horseshit.
>>1124844
I always found it hilarious how punk movements in the West were emphatically leftist while punk movements in the east were emphatically right-wing. There's a good documentary about punk movements in Bulgaria and how they evolved into modern neo-nazi parties. Can't remember the name off the top of my head.
>>1127014
Because they were counter-culture. There was this band in Czechoslovakia in the 70s, a bunch of hippies playing psych rock and they were all diehard Catholics that went to church every sunday, in a country that had an atheist majority and government.
>>1126898
this guy gets it
>>1124634
yes
>>1124634
No. If you don't believe the USSR was literally the evil empire you're retarded.
>>1127029
If you want a hugbox just go to regular /pol/.
>>1124634
Neither side was "good".
Both sides committed political murder and atrocity.
Both used smaller countries as pawns and proxies.
Both sides threatened the world with nuclear destruction.
How can either "side" be considered "good"?
>>1127021
It's just funny to me when you think of how people in punk culture act and how in reality they're just contrarians for the sake of. They're 4Chan incarnate.
>>1127039
Book recommendation for you.
>>1127048
Woah, forgot pic.
>>1127040
>>1127024
>>1126898
>>1127048
you need an helicopter ride
>>1127051
>The USA is evil
>Therefore the Soviet Union was not
That's not how it works.
>>1127054
And you need a Mussolini face-lift.
>>1127054
>>1127056
Maybe so, but the case to be made is that the USSR was the lesser-evil.
>>1127040
Back to Auschwitz
>>1127051
I get you have issues with authority and feel like you're above your surroundings, but you don't have to side with the opposite team just because the US did some bad stuff and you have daddy issues.
>>1127062
>but the case to be made is that the USSR was the lesser-evil
No, it really can't. While the US suppressed human rights abroad, the Soviet Union did it abroad and in their own country. The US may have killed thousands in Vietnam, but Soyuz purged millions within their own fucking borders. Hell, the simple fact that there were WORKER'S REVOLTS in the WORKER'S PARADISE should tip you off that something was far worse.
>>1127062
Was it really? They killed two million civilians in Afghanistan, enslaved half of Europe, tested their nukes on civilians, funded terrorists all across the globe, etc. I get that the US was/is bad but USSR was every bit as bad.
>>1127068
>one of the best nations of LATAM
stalenin killed sixty gorillions because he made a pact with satan to take over atlantis, look it up
>>1127076
i'd rather to live in Chile, than in cuba or venezuela.
>>1127089
What did I mix up with the USA? Be specific instead of just memeing.
>>1124634
No, if there is anything I've learned in the Russian History, Balkan History, and Gender, Sexuality, and power in the Soviet Union classes this semester, it's that not even the most left leaning professor can make the Soviet's into the good guys. They can make the US look like and asshole, but outside of sucking Bukharin's dick, they can't turn the USSR into the hero.
>>1127094
If was half-joking because literally everything you said in that post could just be used to criticize America.
>>1127091
Cuba's a nice place.
Quality healthcare and vintage cars for everyone.
>>1127089
>after Stalin died it wasn't half as hellish as western propaganda makes it out to be
Yeah, let's just ignore all of the revolts across the 60's, 70's and 80's. Let's ignore Chernobyl. Let's ignore Afghanistan. Let's ignore Africa. Let's ignore Cuba.
>>1127101
>being this brainwashed
hahhhaahha
>>1127099
Not even close. The US war in Afghanistan killed 30 000 civilians in 15 years, meanwhile the Soviet war killed between 1.5 and 2 million people, carpet bombing the entire country to the stone age. When Bush talked to his staff about bombing Afghanistan they had trouble making a decision since there was barely anything left to bomb.
>>1127107
>Yeah, let's just ignore all of the revolts across the 60's, 70's and 80's
There were 20 revolts in the USSR and the overwhelming majority of them happened in the very early days.
> Let's ignore Chernobyl
Not even gonna deny it. Chernobyl was just a shitshow of having no regard for safety regulations and exactly what you'd expect would happen, happened.
>Let's ignore Afghanistan. Let's ignore Africa. Let's ignore Cuba.
The USSR did literally nothing wrong here.
>>1127109
>I believe exactly what I was told in school and on TV about the cold war.
>Everyone else is brainwashed.
>>1127109
>Pinochet fanboy
>calling anyone else brainwashed
>>1127125
>>1127126
HAHAHA just propaganda xD
>>1127117
There's a strong disagreement in the precise casualties of the Soviet-Afghan war, however the general estimates seem to be pretty comparable to the Vietnam war.
>>1127120
>There were 20 revolts in the USSR and the overwhelming majority of them happened in the very early days
Way to willingly ignore the revolts in the COMBLOC that were violently quelled by the Soviet Union
>The USSR did literally nothing wrong here
You can't be serious. How is invading a sovereign country and installing a puppet doing nothing wrong? How is propping up violent dictators doing nothing wrong? You can't knock the US for doing it and then give the fucking Soviets a free pass, you fucking revisionist shithead.
>>1127130
You do realize that Cubans can and do leave the country legally?
They don't need to hop on man-made dinghys to America any more than Burmese people do to get to Australia.
>>1127130
>The most prevalent forms of state-sponsored torture that Chilean prisoners endured were electric shocks, waterboarding, beatings, and sexual abuse. Another common mechanism of torture employed was “disappearing” those who were deemed to be potentially subversive because they adhered to the Leftist doctrine. The tactic of “disappearing” the enemies of the Pinochet regime was systematically carried out during the first four years of military rule. The "disappeared" were held in secret, subjected to torture and were often never seen again. Both the National Commission on Political Imprisonment and Torture (Valech Report) and the Commission of Truth and Reconciliation (Rettig Report) approximate that there were 35,000 victims of human rights abuses in Chile, with 28,000 tortured, 2,279 executed and 1,248 “disappeared.
>From the moment Pinochet assumed power, he wanted to instill a sense of fear in the Chilean population. These fears manifested with his authorization of the “Caravan of Death. Following the coup on September 11, Pinochet ordered this Chilean Army death squad to target the leaders of the PU by any means necessary. The Caravan of Death, under the leadership of Sergio Arellano Stark, killed 68 people within three days, by stabbing, beating and shooting them. The establishment of the Caravan of Death served three main purposes: 1) silence dissent through murder, 2) weed out military officials who were not aligned with Pinochet’s regime and 3) establish fear within leadership ranks. The Caravan of Death resulted in the institutionalization of a state-sponsored system of terror.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_violations_in_Pinochet%27s_Chile
>>1127120
>did literally nothing wrong in Afghanistan
Are you ignorant, retarded or just trying to be edgy right now?
>>1127134
You mean, the Hungarian and Czechoslovak revolts? Yes, there's nothing really wrong with helping your allies quell insurgency in their own country.
I mean the Yugoslav and Albanian government just straight up cut ties to the USSR, yet they didn't send tanks in to do anything because it was the choice of the government.
>You can't be serious. How is invading a sovereign country and installing a puppet doing nothing wrong? How is propping up violent dictators doing nothing wrong? You can't knock the US for doing it and then give the fucking Soviets a free pass, you fucking revisionist shithead.
1. They didn't invade Afghanistan and set up a puppet, they invaded Afghanistan to help the legitimate government fight against US-Pakistani backed rebels.
2. What violent dictators did they prop up exactly?
>>1127148
>Recognizing that people have the option to legally emigrate.
>Somehow this is saying that Cuba is a shithole.
>>1127117
Soviets invaded in 1979, USA invaded in 2001. You can compare the impact. Too bad this graph only begins with 1980 otherwise you'd see an ever sharper decline.
>>1127148
>Authoritarianism is ok when it's supported by the U.S. for the sake of imperial and corporate interests
>Pinochet’s regime carried out many gruesome and horrific acts of sexual abuse against the victims. In fact, several detention sites were solely instituted for the purpose of sexually tormenting and humiliating the prisoners. Discothèque (La Venda Sexy) was another one of DINA’s main secret detention centers. Many of those who “disappeared” were initially held in this prison. The prison guards often raped both men and women. It was at this prison where internal repression operations were centralized. Militants anally raped male prisoners, while insulting them, in an attempt to embarrass them to their core.
>Women were the primary targets of gruesome acts of sexual abuse. According to the Valech Commission, almost every single female prisoner was a victim of repeated rape. Not only would military men rape women, they would also use foreign objects and even animals to inflict more pain and suffering. Women (and occasionally men) reported that spiders and live rats were often implanted on their genitals. One woman testified that she had been “raped and sexually assaulted with trained dogs and with live rats.” She was forced to have sex with her father and brother—who were also detained
![2900282_49_z[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/3ADy7hK.jpg "2900282_49_z[1].jpg")
>>1124735
That could be anywhere without building regs that also value aesthetics, pic related.
Their more grand architecture was often very cool.
>>1124757
and comfy
>>1127149
There was literally no revolt in Czechoslovakia. The commies came in and toppled the GOVERNMENT.
>>1127154
No they don't.
>>1127134
soviet good boy he dindu nuffin
he was just spreading the good word to the world
>>1124717
For all you non-Slavic-speaking bozos:
"Our triumph is in the Cosmos- Hymn of the Soviet Nations!"
>>1127156
Thanks to park Chung Hee....Now south korea is a great nation who has technology, and a decent quality of life, compared to the shithole of the north
>>1127149
>Yes, there's nothing really wrong with helping your allies quell insurgency in their own country
>student movements
>insurgencies
Wew lad
>They didn't invade Afghanistan and set up a puppet, they invaded Afghanistan to help the legitimate government fight against US-Pakistani backed rebels
That's called propping up violent dictators.
>What violent dictators did they prop up exactly
Castro, Ethiopia, Angola, Mozambique, DPRC, various puppet governments in Eastern Europe, especially East Germany
>>1127164
Thanks for the second line. I got the first and didn't get anything out of the second except Soviet.
>>1127158
It's not comfy at all.
>ugly
>cramped
>shit insulation
>paper thin walls so you can hear your neighbor taking a shit while you're eating
>built from cheap concrete prefabs
>not durable at all and needing a massive repair every 20 years or so
I've lived in a commieblock, a normal house and a standard apartment complex, the commieblock was by far the worst of the three.
>>1127160
only the castros, and people who work for them, go to the US without using boats!!!
>>1127169
>That's called propping up violent dictators.
Okay, was the communist government of Afghanistan a violent dictatorship yet somehow that literal dictatorship that they just toppled wasn't?
>Castro, Ethiopia, Angola, Mozambique, DPRC, various puppet governments in Eastern Europe, especially East Germany
Those aren't violent dictators, famm.
>>1127166
Yes because the average South Korean enjoys such a high quality of life. So high in fact that 7 in 10 of the elderly live in poverty.
>>1127157
>Their more grand architecture
After Stalin died there was no grand architecture at all, just ugly brutalist shit everywhere.
>>1127176
one of them just fucked up a beautiful nation
>>1127174
No you can literally just decide you don't want to live in Cuba anymore and migrate.
>>1127176
>Okay, was the communist government of Afghanistan a violent dictatorship
>people disagree with new government
>can't vote their way out of it
>government gets to murdering
>people respond by trying to overthrow it
>Those aren't violent dictators, famm.
>Literally murdered or jailed anyone who dissented
>not violent dictators
So much Marxist revisionism I can't fucking believe it.
>>1127149
There was no legitimate government in Afghanistan, it was a commie coup sponsored by the USSR. When those commies started acting up the KGB even literally went to Kabul, assassinated them and replaced them with more loyal commies.
>>1127182
>posting brazilian neithborhoods
>daring to compare south korea with north korea
are leftards really stupid?
>>1127171
the one I lived in was kinda comfy
>>1127157
This.
The grandiose modernist style of totalitarian regimes is pretty great. It would be fascinating if the Nazis' Rally Grounds had finished construction.
>>1127189
You do realize communist Afghanistan allowed for multiple parties?
>>people respond by trying to overthrow it
Oh Jesus Christ.
>DA MUJAHIDEEN WAS FREEDOM FIGHTERS.
What went wrong?
>>1123319
>>1127101
> He believes the healthcare meme
>>1127193
I make no attempts to defend North Korea, only to disprove the claim that South Korea is a glorious capitalist utopia.
>>1127197
>violently repressed people revolt
>not freedom fighters
It doesn't matter if you agree with their ethos or not, the mujahideen were, by definition, freedom fighters.
>>1127197
But they absolutely were, it was a popular uprising. 60% of the army defected and joined the rebels, nobody wanted those fucking communists there.
now someone need to post LEcapitalistpig meme
>>1127195
Doubt it.
>>1127195
Same, better than the quiet dreariness of suburbia at any rate
Both sides had good intentions and did horrible things.
>>1127225
>this is what cringeworthy Americommies actually believe
>>1124704
>had good intentions, therefore they were a force of good
Gtfo
>>1127210
Are the means of production owned by the workers in North Korea?
Has the state been abolished alongside money and class?
Is there no private or state owned property in North Korea?
Communism =/= centralized planning/state ownership of the means of production.
>>1127229
Nah, Serbia m8
Kindly fuck off
>>1127211
>US-Pakistan armed Islamic fundamentalists start coming from all over the world to enstate Shariah law
>Oppressed people revolting.
>>1127217
Fuck them, the US backed Islamic Fundamentalists and now they've been paying for it with the blood of their citizens. Now the Muslim world is an absolute warzone just because Porky had to force open those markets.
The entire world would be better off if the Soviets crushed the Mujahideen.
>>1124717
Why would modern commies whine about how that representation of a man is ableist, aggressively masculine, and he should be replaced with a tranny in a wheelchair or something etc? What happened?
>>1127210
They don't, ETERNAL PRESIDENT leads the HEROIC PEOPLE OF KOREA with the tenets of JUCHE.
>>1127241
Wait, what the fuck does a Serb know about suburban life?
>>1127238
Ohh my god
>>1127248
Why would WESTERN commies
ftfy
The west has always been cucks, commies in the east are still what they were.
>>1127258
modern commies in the EAST want to kill the new tsar in russia
>>1127248
Nothing happened. The old bolsheviks were just as cringeworthy SJW cuckmeisters. Lenin legalized homosexuality, abortion, divorce, promoted degenerate art, etc. Then Stalin came and temporarily fixed it by returning to old Russian values, he was essentially Russia's Napoleon.
But that doesn't change the fact that at the core communism is always SJW shit.
do this one guy post the same shit all day long?
>>1127256
No, there have been experiments that can be called communist. Most of the time however they are invaded or destroyed in some manner from outside powers. Revolutionary Catalonia comes to mind, even if they had more anarchist leanings . If you want to just shitpost to fill that smug sense of satisfaction you get for,
>FIGHTIN EBUL GOMMMIES
go right ahead.
>>1127268
Pic related could've been pinochet's russia ;_;
>>1127274
>>1127253
I was in the US for a decently long while post-1990 before returning recently.
I'll admit my experience may be biased by the people living around me, but I'd rather have commieblocks in Novi Beograd than some dead little town filled with soulless people
>>1127294
I'm not inclined to believe you since my experience has been completely opposite. Other than immidiate amenities there is absolutely nothing that suburbs lack as opposed to commieblocks.
>>1127183
>brutalism
>ugly
your opinion != fact
>>1127341
My feces > your life
>>1127313
A sense of community. People actually knowing their neighbors and helping them with shit. The city with all its activity being just across the river. History and culture nearby. Good food and bakeries. Beaches. Public transportation. Bookstores. Kafanas.
But really, it mostly comes down to the people. So, like I said, I might be biased there.
>>1127358
>sense of community
You mean shit like forcibly moving a bunch of gypsies next to a doctor's family which results in ethnic tension and crime. This was commonplace during communism.
>>1126959
except most russians are uneducated idiots, judging from all my past experiences with them, and their history in general.
>>1127363
M8, I really don't know why you're arguing here. Yes, apartments were nationalized, shit like that probably happened, but I'm just talking about my personal experience, not your grievances, valid as they may be.
>>1127379
Whatevs buddy.
>>1127371
> most russians
Most Russians wouldn't even be here. You need to be pretty educated one to post at the fucking /his/ considering even just a language barrier.
>>1124634
They were driven by a more noble cause, but were more harmful and less ethical in the execution of this cause, particularly as it pertains to their own citizens.
>>1124704
I generally agree, but the repression of dissent and free press is not okay.
all countries are good in some ways
>>1127341
>crippling depression is aesthetic
To edgy communists maybe
>>1127471
nothing wrong with liking that
>>1127471
He's just a retard.
>>1127487
he is not
>>1127492
Oh yeah he is. Brutalism is ugly and stupid and depressing and if you like it you're probably like that yourself.
>>1127501
brutalism looks futuristic as fuck
>>1127508
>futuristic = good
>>1127508
>futuristic
There is no definite shape or style to call something "futuristic". In these terms that word has no meaning. On your picture, there is clearly no intention in the design, only jotting something random down on a paper then building it because your government doesn't have the money to make things look nice.
>>1127517
He's probably that Serb from before thinking this garbage is in any way good looking.
>>1127517
>>1127518
no need to samefag on a dead board
>>1127522
Stay mad.
>>1127521
>try to argue
>fail
>"B-BUT IT WAS ONLY MY OPINION ANYWAY!"
And in any case, it sure as fuck wasn't the opinion of the average Soviet citizen. You might love to see it in pictures and post it on Arabic calligraphy sites, but I would bet you millions that you would not like for the rich comfy architects and statesmen in your country to share your "opinion".
>>1127531
i've never tried to argue here
>>1127539
>>1127076
>one of the best nations of LATAM
just imagine the other countries bro
c
v
>>1127539
NEIN
r
>>1127183
But that looks really cool. Plus the constructivism of the years immediately after the revolution inspired Bauhaus.
>>1127898
I swear commies are esthetically and economically challenged they might as well be from a different galaxy.
>>1127908
To be fair they made a lot of cool stuff and only started going with Brutalism after the west started doing it and they felt like classicalism was getting left in the dust.
>>1126972
That is absolute bullshit. If you have actual knowledge in a subject then present it.
We aren't even talking about native speakers. We are talking about simply being able to understand the language. By defending that idiot you are literally claiming that a few years of Russian class makes you an expert on Russian history that cannot be matched by anyone who doesn't speak Russian.
The fact that we are even having this conversation is absurd.
>>1124634
US and USSR were both the bad guys. USSR was just a lot worse than the US.
So technically yes.
>>1127952
>USSR was just a lot worse than the US.
>>1126898
live among them, work as a mental health care worker or a social worker. Work as a police or civil service. Proletariat suck and will eat themselves given the chance nowadays, just imagine what they were like before the domestication programs of mandatory education. humanity's progress and society's stability is pushed along by the work of the strong few.
>>1128044
You really think that most mental health, social workers, civil servants or policemen are middle class? Kek.
>>1128095
*even middle class rather
