At what point did Microsoft go downhill?
I can accurately pinpoint it to 2010
In 2009, Microsoft killed it with Windows 7. Universal praise. Literally no one hated it except macfags and gnu-autists. It was a godsend and ran damn fine. It now runs slower because of all the service packs and update bloat.
Microsoft had Windows Mobile 6.5, with Windows Mobile 7 on the way. Its flagship phones with the HTC HD2, Touch Pro 2, and some others. They ran smooth, fast, and were a step above android and iOS at that time. Remember, this was when 20 million Windows Mobile devices were sold that year. 20 million. WINDOWS IPHONE 7-8-10 STILL NEVER GOT TO THIS 7 YEARS LATER!! This was a 10 year old OS with a few updates slapped onto it, maintained by 15 people AT MOST at the time and it was still a juggernaut by the end of 2009.
Then in 2010, shit hit the fan. Microsoft released the Kinect. It was actually very successful in the U.S. But the reality was, it was shit and a stupid gimmic fad that died down after a couple of years.
They then released that godawful thing called the Kin. Google it. Absolute disaster. No one fucking wanted it. Immediately upon launch it was a universal failure. And you know what M$ did after that? Doubled down on it and released Windows iPhone 7 which was basically a remodified version of the Kin OS. Garbage.
They then opened Microsoft stores. I went to one when it opened up. Overpriced shit. Basically a Best Buy at the mall.
They NEVER recovered after this. Only thing they did moderately right was the Surface Pro product line. Windows 8, 10, Xbone, silverlight are consistent failures that clearly shows this company is moving in the wrong direction despite the removal of Ballmer.
>>54662869
They're so fucking shit nowadays that shoving their excrement products down people's throats seems to be their only option
That sounds about right. Nutella is going to drive MS into the ground with his obsession of unifying phones and desktops into a single OS. I get that it sounds like a good idea on paper, but nobody really wants it. They're alienating their existing loyal customers with the way they're pushing the Windows 10 upgrade. Consumers and IT people alike are turning on them.
I mean, every era is going to end some time. We're watching the end of MS's era. Ballmer will get his "I told you so".
>2007
>Own a Dell Axim X51 PDA
>One of the best Windows Mobile devices out there
>Software is a disgrace
>Browsing sucks ass
>Even relatively basic things like email are garbage
>Watching a Youtube video is a convoluted mess of a process
>iPhone announced
>Browsing is amazing in comparison
>Email is beautiful and desktop like
>Youtube/video apps
>Microsoft sticks with this garbage software for a few more years
>Allows Android to take over their traditional PC customer in the smartphone industry
>Tablets and smartphone begin to slowly erode notebook and desktop purchase/use
It's pretty much the iPhone and their inability to get the smartphone market that will kill them.
>you have been scroogled
>starts scroogling
>wants to introducd drm to xbox
>playstation wins
>introduces gfwl
>gfwl ends
>turns the hotmail brand into outlook
>gets rid of custom domain support
>but you get infinite storage space (which is 5gb), more than Google
>subscription based word editors
>buys a popular brandable phone company and then does nothing with it
>introduces a spy OS after snowden
>force it on your clients breaking compatibility
>give people 15 to 30gb free one drive storage space
>just kidding
>>54662869
Enjoy your Windows
>>54662964
Meanwhile shit like paint is still shit after 20 years. Media players and peoples favorite games have to be bought seperately from their OS. Notepad still has no proper coding language markup. What the fuck are they offering people?
They're completely ignoring the mini PC surge too. As conventional desktops die in favor of tablets, Chromebooks and mini PCs will eventually take over due to their competitive price and space consumption.
I think Microsoft needs to focus more on making their OS slimmer or else Linux will overtake them in an already dying market. I can foresee VESA mountable computers like the NUC being the future productive PC in both the home and the workplace, and if Android/Linux gain a hold there, Windows could be in jeopardy and its usage would be limited to professionals(who could easily use Macs) or hobbyists(gamers).
>>54662869
You have such tunnel vision it's not even funny.
Remember Bill Gates said there was nothing about the iPad he/Microsoft were envious about? Now they are seen as the laughing stock for that comment but for the wrong reasons. They wrongly assumed consumers wouldn't want a locked down piece of shit iPad that is one step up from these v-tec computers you could buy for kids.
From mistakes like this Microsoft realised that consumer computing wasn't going to stay the way it was and so since 2010 they have been moving to preempt that to ensure they stay relevant. They are producing shit like windows 10 to try best maintain their position in the consumer market while simultaneously moving business to the likes of office 365 and Azure. In otherwords, moving to stay relevant. They don't really care that this pisses off the 5% like you in the process (especially given that the particular 5% are the same ones who know how to pirate software and so don't even pay for what they get). This is exactly like IBM in the 2000's. They saw the end of what was their core business, and realigned to stay relevant safeguarding their dominant position.
Grow up and get over it. If you have a problem with it then move on to Linux where you won't be taken along for the consumerist ride. Otherwise stfu.
>>54662964
>scroogled
Jesus I remember that shit. What the fuck were they thinking? I could understand how the sheer stupidity of that campaign would cause someone to get a Chromebook.
>>54663037
Apple can swoop in and take over the professional market any day now.
>>54662964
>buys a popular brandable phone company and then does nothing with it
more like
>Sends a Canadian trojan horse named Elop to destroy the worlds largest phone company
>Succeeds
>Stock prices sink after new Windows Nokia phones
>M$ buys company
Why are the Finns such cucks and allowed this to happen? It was so obvious from the start. Maybe if WP7 succeeded, this would've been brushed aside, but the buyout proves this whole rumor to be obvious and the Finns should've stopped the buyout.
Nokia had such potential. They should've pushed their Meego OS and developed it further. It was SUPERIOR to android in every way. Oh No! Its UI wasn't that great? So fucking what. Elop gave it 0 thought, 0 time to develop or grow. And yet it probably had more apps in its first few months than M$ was able to conjure up in the years it had its Windows iOS.
Fuck google and fuck android. Android was never meant to be our primary phone OS. It was just a shitty experimental hobbyist OS meant to show off to dumb venture capitalists and companies. Google is in no way capable of handling an OS and again and again we see the failings of android on every level to this day. Microsoft made this happen and it cost us all.
pic related. the N900 had pinch to zoom on a resistive touchscreen back in 2010.
>>54663006
I don't know, that's something that people like us want, but I don't think your average normie wants a mini PC mounted to their TV. Not when they can get a Roku for $90 or a Chromecast for $35. Plus every TV on the shelf right now does streaming.
Honestly I'm not really in touch enough to know where computing is headed among non-hobbyists. Exclude the college students, too. Why would anyone else buy even a laptop? Their phones and tablets do everything they need. Gaming is done on a console. TVs have built in streaming. I guess doing personal financial planning is still a pain in the ass on a mobile device, but I might even be wrong about that. I do it kind of old fashioned and I use a gigantic spreadsheet.
The problem is they want to copy Apple and Google without copying their philosophy.
Google offers free products aimed at providing all information you want.
Apple puts the user experience first.
Microsoft tries to.. milk existing costumers with worse products?
>>54663090
>Sends a Canadian trojan horse named Elop to destroy the worlds largest phone company
I literally shot chocolate milk from my nostrils and now my laptop is ruined. Thanks anon. I needed that laugh.
>>54663037
Every single astronomical failure since 2010 has been due to this philosophy, so obviously you're wrong in that following this "wave of the future" bullshit is a lie.
How do you go from selling 20+ million phone OSs, to barely 2?
How do you go from the second highest grossing console of all time (Behind the Wii for gods sake), to dead last in the console wars?
How do you fuck up so hard on your OS, that you have to trick customers to upgrade?
Really, the Kinect was the only thing that succeeded, but that was short lived. Everything else has ended in disaster and they simply cannot pull in the same amount of money that they used to. But since they have a huge reserve of money, they don't care, especially when their stock is still going nowhere.
>>54663091
I unironically do personal and business finances on my phone, by updating Google Drive spreadsheets on my phone.
Microsoft is the new Xerox Parc: People are Microsoft are better at researching than making actual products.
Really. Microsoft is focusing more on cloud computing.
>>54663177
To add. I own a website with a friend and we both work togheter on our content in Google Drive. Its all I need.
I tried using OneDrive but it looked my a bad joke version of MS Office instead of a stand alone product.
>>54663048
>9gag
>>54662869
As someone who owned a samsung blackjack I can say Windows Mobile was a huge hunk of shit.
The only thing I like about Microsoft is that they made a great programming language, C#.
>>54663037
I don't think you understand every single product they've released since their "move to stay relevant" has been a flop
I used to work at Radio Shack and I'd always trick people into buying windows phones because "office and everything will work on it." They never returned them and I got MAD commission that way.
>>54663173
Look skiddie, it is still one of the most valuable companies in the world. They try lots of shit —they grow what takes off, they cut that which isn't. They do this to stay relevant. They tried to break into the iOS and Android monopoly, it didn't work and now they cut it. They grew office 365 despite this potentially harming their Office suit, and hey, it work, they continue to grow it. If you think your opinion on what is a wrong with Microsoft is better than their own internal opinions, then you are nothing short of deluded. Grow up and stop complaining.
>>54663388
I'm not sure if Microsoft has a philosofy beyond: "We need more cloud so we can have more control over our revenue stream."
>>54663048
Is this a real thing in India?
>>54663455
Ask the world health organisation. India has almost twice as many street shitters as the USA has people.
>India
>with 626 million people who practice open defecation, has more than twice the number of the next 18 countries combined;
>accounts for 90 per cent of the 692 million people in South Asia who practice open defecation;
>accounts for 59 per cent of the 1.1 billion people in the world who practice open defecation;
http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/monitoring/jmp2012/fast_facts/en/
>>54663455
The meme was actually started by Unicef.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_peUxE_BKcU
>>54662869
>hating the kinect
i've never had a issue with the kinect
>>54663470
>>54663485
I mean I respect other cultures but that's just disgusting
>>54663588
That's just the tip of the iceberg.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEpJdHS1pV0
>>54663173
>How do you go from the second highest grossing console of all time (Behind the Wii for gods sake), to dead last in the console wars?
Sega might know.
>>54662869
>It now runs slower because of all the service packs and update bloat.
Then remove the fucking bloat and reinstall to an SSD.
>>54662869
>maintained by 15 people AT MOST at the time
It's easy to make a rock-solid product when there is good communication between the people behind it.
>>54663448
I don't think you have a point beyond Microsoft is destroying Windows but I don't want to move. Probably because you're a gaymen skiddie.
>>54663246
Azure is a turd compared to AWS, and has a tiny market share in what is essentially a commodity space. The only reason to go Azure is if you're a .net shop and can't run screaming from that shitpile of a framework for some reason. It's weird to think that MS is getting their shit pushed in by what was originally an online bookstore.
>>54663090
Nokia should have evolved Symbian. I used to use the last Symbian phone, an 808, and with just a little more polish, it would have been fantastic. The UI was smooth, battery life was great, and it didn't need 3GB of RAM and a Core2Duo-class CPU to get there.
But due to politics and godawful project management, Symbian wasn't able to evolve fast enough, Meego was moribund, and I think that there were a lot of people in the company who wanted to dump the cellphone business. Remember, Nokia made its money on dumping shitty low margin commodity phones on developing countries, and they knew that they'd get assraped by China sooner or later. On the high end, they'd already lost to Apple. There was really nowhere for their phone business to go.
I suspect that tanking the phone business and dumping the remains on someone was the desired outcome for a lot of people at Nokia, while MS was desperate for a way back into the phone biz, and Elop was a handy dandy gobetween and scapegoat. So they got what they wanted. But Nokia's telecom equipment business (after buying Alcatel-Lucent) isn't doing so great either, and their patent licensing business is taking a shit. The whole mobile telco market has gone to shit. Even Apple is having a rough time of it lately, and they're the only ones making decent profits in the phone biz.
>M$
i'm no fan of microsoft, but don't be that annoying faggot, OP.
>>54662869
Around the time they started pushing this crap. They seem to use the Xbox platform to test what kinds of BS normies are willing to put up with.
I like Microsoft because it researches everything as long as they're about not hardware. I think Microsoft will make a Linux distro and an Android-based operating system in the near future.
So Microsoft's future will likely be Linux as long as Satya is the CEO.
I was expecting more from microsoft with windows 10. All they did was add a fucking voice assistant on desktop, a start menu that you can't even edit the fucking list, a UI that's cannot be personalized at all, only colors, and locked-botnet piece of shit store. Even after fucking 15 years they are still using the garbage NTFS that needs defragmentation on HDDs, and I don't know if they changed the NT kernel but it looks like a broken mess with ductape on it.
>>54662869
M$ is already dead
young people buy macbooks and chromebooks
normies buy iphones and samsung galaxies
gamers buy playstations
when the windows 95 geenration eventually dies out they'll have nobody left to milk
>>54664583
There's always the corporate son
they fucking love Microsoft, even though all their corporate software sucks
I'd say MS is just going to become the next IBM.
>>54662869
>Then in 2010, shit hit the fan. Microsoft released the Kinect
>6 years ago
I swear time passes faster and faster these days.
>>54664583
There are two possibilities here.
One, you're full of shit, and you're just spouting diarrhea you read on ZDNet and The Verge like every other autist with a Facebook account and 300 followed tech pages.
Two, you're actually right, and we're witnessing the death of technology as we know it. Instead of learning how to use Windows or Linux, people will just buy Chromebooks and iPhones. And nobody will learn to code, leaving us 18-25 year olds who actually bothered to read a Haskell tutorial or two to clean up the aftermath.
>>54662869
Microsoft went downhill the moment Billg left.
>>54662898
Microsoft's doing as good as ever financially under Nutella, he's doing a way better job than Ballmer as CEO. They're just not as relevant or admired(or feared) as they used to be.
when they hired a pajeet to run it
>>54664698
Even pajeets own kind don't think much of his leadership.
>>54662869
>Then in 2010, shit hit the fan. Microsoft released the Kinect.
I have seen some nice projects done with the Kinect on the computer, very useful as a rather cheap all-purpose stereo camera, used lots in universities. However, yes on the Xbox it was just a shitty gimmick
>They then released that godawful thing called the Kin.
You know I don't care a lot about a few failed devices. Every manufacturer does this.
When it hit the fan was when Win Phone 7.1 didn't get any updates anymore, when they started Win8 (which was still ok at the time), ... but they lost if for me when they continued their metro UI shit everywhere (even though people hated it, even after Win8.1 / SP1/2), useless tablets with weird and clunky UI, dropped (full OS ) ARM support, privacy failures, Windows 10... everything just more locked down and locked in instead of going the other way. I don't mean they should've open sourced everything, but a step in that direction would have been great. You don't see a lot of UI modding anymore, customization options in Win8/10 have been stripped down and replaced with stupid other things, DRM, signature checks, TPM... fuck
Win7 SP1 era was the best
>>54664698
epic meme bro
>>54664698
>>54664715
http://investorplace.com/2016/01/msft-microsoft-stock-satya-nadella/
>Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) stock is soaring on Friday, and for good reason: The software giant just put together an incredible quarter, crushing revenue and earnings estimates, largely on the strength of its successful shift to the cloud.
>The pivot to a cloud-focused model has been championed by 48-year-old CEO Satya Nadella, who is by all accounts doing a fantastic job in leading the new Microsoft.
>Nadella’s performance is in stark contrast to the prior Microsoft CEO, Steve Ballmer, who, after years of begging from investors, finally retired in 2014.
Pajeet saved M$ nigger
anybody remember Zune?
>>54664727
Oh yeah let's not forget the new logo
>>54664749
Its hardly like the glory days, Bill and Steve were just getting old and out of touch and any number of different people could have done poo in the loo's job.
>>54664685
>And nobody will learn to code
I've never understood why the average person should ever need to code, most people I know can't even tell you what certain buttons do on the keyboard.
>>54664823
>let me trivialize the people who run global multibillion dollar companies while I watched anime and masturbate all day
If anyone can do it why did they give him the job then?
>>54662869
> I can accurately pinpoint it to 2010
Too late.
You see, the consequences of actions are not visible immediately. MS went to shit with the release of Windows Vista. Remember when there was people who could disassemble SimSity only to develop a workaround for a new Windows? Since Vista, it's a merry-go-round of new frameworks, designs and patterns, developed and deprecated every few years. What's worse, they aren't ashamed to break the compatibility between them - if you need the old stuff, you can go fuck yourself. This is Apple way - and Apple is not very good in terms of hardware support or market share.
>>54664936
Because he actually went [spoiler]poo in the loo.[/spoiler] This was a great achievement for him.
>>54664823
Bro no tech or software company is as powerful or dominant as Microsoft was in the "glory days". Nobody could hold a candle to them at the time and if they set their sights on any competitor they would be toast within a year or so. Moreover, Microsoft was never known for developing quality products or anything of the sort. Their business strategy was always target an industry, and then push relentlessly and abuse their OS dominance until they became the market leader. I don't think the kind of environment exists in the tech industry now for any company to be like that.
Even Apple today has Google keeping them in check. MS had no one.
>>54662869
When they decided to sabotage Nokia. Karma is has been destroying them since.
>>54664133
I still use the 808 as my primary device.
If there is any MS employee lurking recommend this to your bosses and collect bonus:
1. Either kill WinPhone or apply new strategy to it. My advice: Sell like Xiaomi - on shit markets with no profit margins, until you fill every single poo in loo, chink, eastern european, southern american with winphone. AFTER that you make flagships.
2. Mini pcs, like rPi. people WANT a pc a size of a cigar pack suitable as a desktop replacement. There is NO both cheap (<$50) and good enough device for this at this moment.
3. Open source .NET and c#. Turn every fucking thing open source. This will generate you a shitload of programmers who will shill it for free. It's already good, it just needs to be free
4. Free game engine, like UE or Unity. Integrate Azure servers like what Amazon did with their new game Engine.
These are all things that will generate basically a need to be on MS platform
>>54666004
>1. Either kill WinPhone or apply new strategy to it. My advice: Sell like Xiaomi - on shit markets with no profit margins, until you fill every single poo in loo, chink, eastern european, southern american with winphone. AFTER that you make flagships.
they don't need to stoop that low
all they have to do is make ALL android apps work on winphones and invent a gimmick that will make people buy them
>>54662869
What are you talking about? From the moment bill gates was in university his world view was shit and only shit.
>>54666039
>they don't need to stoop that low
Why does people think that's a bad marketing move?
Those people really do need relatively quality, cheap devices. Xiaomi is providing just that. It could have been MS. Now imagine 2-3 billion people who take MS smartphone as default goto smartphone. Poor people generate A LOT of buzz on the internet, exactly because they don't have money for anything else in life. And those people can be turned into a real shill army. Hell, i shill for Xiaomi and i don't even have their smartphone
Now after they populate and fill their market with winphones they implement a "premium" device which is like only 50-100$ more expensive than their cheapest one, something like mi4 compared to redmi. That's how you drain every penny from the shit world. And then you release REAL premium device - something whole 2-3 billion users will dream to have
>>54666128
Of course, I'm writing this as an advice what MS should do, not ANY other company.
Because, let's face it, MS is a company that makes things for general people. No one ever felt special for having something with MS logo on it. That's why they failed with premium Winphones. They have a name that's not screaming "i'm special" to other richfag kids.
That same name would also be a marketing spear to pierce cheat markets. Everyone would rather buy MS cheap smartphone than Xiaoimi one. Ok, maybe not after this suicide MS is doing with w10, but still, lets forget that for a second
>>54666071
bill did shitload of times more things than any other after him in microsoft
>>54664685
>And nobody will learn to code, leaving us 18-25 year olds who actually bothered to read a Haskell tutorial or two to clean up the aftermath.
Isn't that good though...? Because it means there's more jobs and higher pay for us.
>>54663090
>Sends a Canadian trojan horse named Elop to destroy the worlds largest phone company
If that was his goal, he failed spectacularly. He provided a free out for Nokia to ditch their rapidly declining smartphone business. A free out at a pretty high price for Microsoft. Remember Siemens or Ericsson? Massive companies that failed to keep up with the market and spent years mopping up the blood of their mobile handset divisions with good money. They would have killed for that sort of opportunity.
Hell, Sony and HTC would still kill for that sort of offer.
>>54662869
If Microsoft wants to be relevant again, then it would have to follow Google's path by releasing a Linux distribution.
>>54666574
win7 was good after vista's fail
>>54662869
>It now runs slower because of all the service packs and update bloat.
7 runs fine for me.
What's so worrying is that they still make a fuckton of money? How? Are business so fucking stupid that they order tons of MS licenses? I haven't bought anything MS since... ever
>>54664207
>OP
>not be an annoying faggot
>>54662898
I don't see what's wrong with this when everyone else does it or gets left behind
>>54664685
>Haskell
>relevant
>>54662869
>At what point did Microsoft go downhill?
1975
>>54662869
>At what point did Microsoft go downhill?
1989, for getting rid of a competent Unix operating system, Xenix.
Here in the Netherlands I see normies and companies literally being afraid to use Windows 10.
If they dont address this privacy issue it's only waiting for a competitor to swoop in and take over their market.
>>54666384
Bill Gates was quite the asshole in his time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Letter_to_Hobbyists
http://quaoar.ww7.be/ms_fud_of_the_year/569458-microsoft-attack-linux-retail-level-probably.html
>>54666924
On the other side there's a lot of windows phone shills, Microsoft shills, "businessman" shills, and a lot people depend on word and excel bestanden for hun job.
>>54667011
MS winhpone really did have a lot of shills but note how they all disappeared lately, even on /g/. It's like they all realized they are in the losing battle.
I personally would love to use Winphone, i don't even care about lack of apps. I only need secure, non-spying phone that's updated regularly, is that much to ask?
>>54667133
Non-spying.
Might not want to use any Microsoft product. Fix your own shit.
>>54667133
>I only need secure, non-spying phone that's updated regularly, is that much to ask?
Yes, when our personal info is itself an asset to the corporation.
>>54667153
>>54667161
That's my biggest problem with MS - the direction which they took as a company. They are literally google-tier, but with way shittier marketing.
I don't fucking want my personal shit recorded anywhere, nobody does, how is that hard to understand? But i guess they collected every dollar on everything else, now it's only remaining to start getting dollars on ourselves
>>54666924
Thats ironic considering Google, Apple and every other company spy on you just as much
>mfw normies dont know about prism
>>54664754
Exactly. It was a POS in every way.
Windows 7 was last good os. So sometime after 2009 is when things turned to shit. I like 7, no damn windows store bs, an interface I can use with out much hassle, my classic windows games, etc. etc. A nice clean os that is what it is and nothing else. You know how they went from windows 95 - 2000 but the interface/gui stayed roughly the same? Well they should have done the same thing with Win 7 and all it's successors. Kept the same basic layout but add support for new hardware and fix any bugs. If it ain't broke (gui) then leave it be. Maybe things would be different if MS had done things like that. I will use Win 7 and Server 2008R2 on all my pc's/server's till I have no choice as in when a mobo dies or something serious fails.
>>54667277
>Server 2008R2
Why so?
How's server2012R2?
What do you think Server2016 will look like?
>>54664671
It literally does. When you were 5, a year was 1/5 of your life. When you were twelve, it was only a 1/12. Now you're in your twenties (probably), so it's getting smaller and smaller.
And you're still shitposting on /g/.
>>54662869
they failed when the ipad was launched
>>54662869
wiindows mobile 6 was the worst experience I have ever had from technology - they made a phone virtually unuseable, it took minutes to boot, before you could even make a call. House burning down, heart attack, dying --
Edison would have been disgusted. They regressed the telephone
>>54667277
ms good OSes : win 7, win xp
>>54664629
next AOL
are you crazy? microsoft was downhill since windows 95. 95 was the last windows version that made meaningful improvements to the way the UI functioned. alt+tab. taskbar. start menu. system tray. fucking revolutionary.
they released a few decent operating systems (e.g. windows 2000) since but nothing spectacular. windows XP was ugly and bloated for the time. vista was undercooked. 7 was just a re-release of vista, but after computer hardware had caught up.
all of the talented people who worked at microsoft left the company during ballmer's tenure as CEO, and it's his fault, he sucked
i hate to break it to you, but if you think windows 7 was the last good microsoft OS then you are fucking underage :)
>>54663173
zune, winrt , surface, vista
why exactly did they murder windows 7
they're out of mobile so their "mobile interface" (metro) etc .. what's it for now
>>54662869
I'm gonna stick my next out here and say ... the day they started asking users to register Windows XP online. That to me was the beginning of the end of M$.
>>54663105
> The problem is they want to copy Apple and Google without copying their philosophy.
or quality
>>54662869
They started going downhill when they tried to go after the normie consumer market. They cant compete with apple in that area. They should have stuck with windows 7 and targeted enterprise and business market.
>>54666004
my points
>>54664401
> Even after fucking 15 years they are still using the garbage NTFS that needs defragmentation on HDDs,
... the registry ..
it's utter garbage
>>54662869
reportedly the kin sold 30k units
they spent over a billion on it
it had a decent java OS, but they gutted it -
it's still in the firmware (turned offf) -
it was a youth device that couldn't even access twitter -- as with all their major releases - too late, large sections missing, buggy, BETA
Windows 2000 was the last version of windows I liked. XP was actually somewhat slow and laggy on hardware around at launch and it had that horrible aqua theme they made because of OS X.
>Microsoft killed it with Windows 7. Universal praise.
Tells how much that 'universal praise' is worth it, because its nothing but Vista post-SP1, - which was 'universally' disliked - , with less services enabled by default.
Server 2003, there is nothing worthwhile from Redmond after that, period.
>>54668211
good proportion of their customer base are still running XP .. XP is 16 years old
>>54668220
>>54668211
Both XP and vista2.0 aka 7 were shit in the beginning but turned out to be quite ok, even good.
What's wrong with server 2008?
I thought they nailed it with Tay.
>>54668245
>What's wrong with server 2008?
Its literally post-SP1 Vista with different default services and less unnecessary libraries (compared to Vista).
>>54668306
they did
The biggest fall of Microsoft are listed below:
1. Clinging on MS-DOS for a long time
2. Ignoring UNIX
3. Not responding to consumers' demands properly
>>54668380
Their biggest mistake is they are too slow to adapt
>>54668142
Blame the retarded monkeys who thought it would be a good idea to store very program configurations in a single fucking tree file that would result in a system failure if something fucks up.
>>54668437
Hence it is much easier to make a virus for Windows.
>>54668437
it's a flat file isn't it
the level they are at
>>54662869
being able to do a major version upgrade of ubuntu (say, from 15.04 to 16.04) while continuing to work, also watching a movie, is a very good thing -- what is this with "schedule your upgrades" .. all night or "update" & it logs you off, taking a long time. As with "having to defrag" - microsoft windows is a 90s OS. They never advanced. Why? Because their software/infastructure is a mess. Tthey are too busy firefighting what they have (which is the case of organisation that employ their platform).
>>54668730
they need azure, "cloud" to get over their filing system problems. all your data belong to them
>>54663091
college students still totally use laptops, most of them are either macs or surfaces. Why overpriced macbooks or worthless surfaces's? I dont even know, they fall for dumb gimmicks I guess.
never
they own you, you're posting using a microsoft OS right now.
>>54667211
Google and Apple do, but it isnt as blatant as Windows 10. Windows 10 strait up tells you that it shares everything with everyone in the settings.
Its pretty sad because normally when Microsoft makes a huge gigantic mistake like Vista or 8, they respond by creating something decent like XP or 7. But now they have released 10, everyone around the globe hates it or is scared of it, and Microsoft isnt doing anything about it. They really want to push the botnet onto everyone.
They've shot themselves in the foot beginning with Windows XP.
pre XP Microsoft was all about professional and prosumer markets which were their targets.
You could fucking see that in the way their products looked.
Windows 2000 was their last operating system designed with their "old" userbase in mind.
>Clean
>Professional
>Boring
>Industrial-like
>Not "in your way"
Then their realized there's entire masses of computer-illiterate people to be milked out of their money and began shifting their workforce to satisfying the previously untouched userbase.
And so XP was garish, colourful and looked like a fisher price toy.
>>54668944
cmon, you can make w7 look pretty much the same as w2000
>>54668944
>Windows 2000 was their last operating system designed with their "old" userbase in mind.
As far as userbase goes, the writing is clearly on the wall and anyone with a brain knows that windows belongs to businesses, but Microsoft is too fucking stupid to understand this. I hope they die sooner than later, and someone picks up the remains. Perhaps Valve if they are serious about their Steam OS.
developers, developers, developers, developers
>>54669534
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zEQhhaJsU4
>>54662869
They are not downhill. KEK!
They have a ton of cash, a ton of free cash flow, and they are growing at a steady pace.
>>54668992
lol volvo
They can't even fix 21:9 resolutions in dota for 3 years already.
Steamos will fail, no matter how serious they are.
>>54662869
>literally no one hated it except everybody that hated it
>>54662869
Microsoft is going downhill only in your /g/ linux echo chamber.
They have about as many shitty decisions as any other IT company, like Google or Apple.
>>54662869
gnu-autist here. I got in early on the windows 7 free demo download thingy and did that whole testing and bug report thing. I like to think maybe I helped a bit. Your welcome.
>>54663037
the consumer is tired of microsoft changing their platform. can't they have a desktop that works. Continual pushing "features" & using the customer base as a trial/testbed after pushing out betas, 'service packs' being major upgrades. 'SP1' to make the thing actually work
>>54668122
>They started going downhill when they tried to go after the normie consumer market. They cant compete with apple in that area. They should have stuck with windows 7 and targeted enterprise and business market.
that's what they are doing
they are running windows down & becoming a services co. - more towards IBM. PC market is shrinking @ 17pc a year
>>54669702
thanks for your input rajeet
>>54663006
>They're completely ignoring the mini PC surge too
bullshit, that was what windows 8 and to some extent 10 focused on.
Anyways the oversized phone aka ios/android tablets are declining now.
But yeah AIO/NUC is the new office PC, still running windows.
>>54663090
>the N900 had pinch to zoom on a resistive touchscreen back in 2010.
hahaha, android and Ios had capacitive multitouch by then, what's your point?
>>54663752
KEK
>>54663091
>Why would anyone else buy even a laptop
Because they do computer tasks. Huge amounts at work, but at home too. Students, a large group. Anyone who wants to do image, video, music editing. Anyone who wants to write a book or stories. Also normies who want to pirate and playback over hdmi).
Tablets are the odd one out here, because they can't do anything a phone can't.
>Gaming is done on a console
PC gaming isn't going anywhere, this meme needs to die.
>>54670438
but tablets are where the consumer market is
many people out there who can't type, much
>>54670557
auntie bessie has an ipad
>At what point did Microsoft go downhill?
>I can accurately pinpoint it to 2010
y2k babies don't know shit about Windows ME or Longhorn/Vista
>>54667303
Windows 10 with half the retarded features, twice the restrictions, and quadruple the price.
![S6aZBV6[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/1pLIgLK.png "S6aZBV6[1].png")
>>54670557
>but tablets are where the consumer market is
nu-uh. (and keep in mind some of those tablets run windows)
>>54662898
>his obsession of unifying phones and desktops into a single OS.
That's where the market is going. Apple has been pulling features out if OSX to make it easier for it to converge with iOS. Look at the xserve server OS from back in the Snow leopard days. It had a bunch of tools. Now it's just about pushing media.
Google is working backwards. They have a phone OS and are rapidly trying to catch up with chromeOS on the desktop. We will see a converged desktop/mobile os in the next 10 years, probably 5.
>>54670673
>We will see a converged desktop/mobile os in the next 10 years, probably 5.
well it'll need to be x86.
>>54662869
>In 2009, Microsoft killed it with Windows 7. Universal praise. Literally no one hated it except macfags and gnu-autists. It was a godsend and ran damn fine. It now runs slower because of all the service packs and update bloat.
You don't understand. Windows had released Windows Vista which everybody hated, then they made Windows 7 which was Vista without the stuff people complained about. So people were happy.
>>54669877
I was hoping that gabe would pump out a decent os, seeing how he detests modern microsoft so much. He has the resources to do it.
>>54670789
No actually, vista being hated is mostly people being stupid. Same with 8/10.
>Windows 7 which was Vista without the stuff people complained about
>UAC
Still on by default, just added a "medium annoying" option. A needed feature.
>Bloated
Win7 is as bloated.
>Drivers & games
Never were that bad, but fixed before w7 released.
The truth about vista is that it was before it's time on HW requirements, and people are afraid of change. This made people disregard all the good things vista added, but they loved them once w7 came.
>>54670914
The hatred for 8 and 10 was perfectly justified.
>>54670950
8 was mostly hated because of change.
10 wasn't hated by normies, mostly "nerds" like /g/ who care about privacy and such.
>>54670977
>"Change"
Do you use 8? It wasn't just "change", it was fucking stupid design choices. Taking away features that people use every day is an inexcusable move. Stop being such a snooty piece of shit about it.
As for 10, it is slow and glitchy as shit. I'm switching back to 7 this weekend just because I can't put up with it anymore. And privacy is a concern not enough people have.
>>54671024
>Do you use 8
I used it from release to win10 release. I'll downgrade to 7 or 8.0 when I need to reinstall.
What features did you miss in 8.0?
>>54670977
Windows 8 tries to turn desktops/laptops into phones, it's a shitty idea.
Windows 10 is shit. There are a few features that I like about windows 10, but for the most part it's a shittier version of Windows 7.
If only the source code for Windows 7 was leaked and it became open sourced like Linux.
While I agree with you, I believe that Windows Phone 7 & 8 and now 10 in total have about 100 M users.
If you can make windows 8 look identical to 7, what makes it bad?
>>54663049
I can't wait for this to be a thing.
>>54662869
You don't really have a clue what your talking about, do you?
>>54671229
Although I hate the idea, if their computers become more affordable I won't hesitate switching.
>>54671161
Why doesn't somebody just reverse engineer a service for Linux that handles Windows applications? Would it be complicated?
>>54671112
>What features did you miss in 8.0?
Jesus christ kid.
Windows 10 is fine apart from the botnet.
>>54671357
wine
>>54671423
Isn't Wine more like a virtualizer? I presume it decreases performance and stability a lot.
You used to be able to get out of the Windows botnet by licensing their server editions for home use, which were somewhat inexpensive. With a few modifications you could run that as a gaymin' OS.
Problem is now they are licensing PER CORE, which is prohibitly expensive for anybody except bigCorp USA.
>>54671504
>by licensing their server editions for home use
why
>>54662869
>At what point did Microsoft go downhill?
When they made Windows ME.
>>54671504
lolno. The license balances out about the 2 socket 16 core mark. It's cheaper until that point.
>>54668970
Which is why 7 is the last good Windows.
>>54671449
wine is an implementation of the windows api. same way the new subsystem for linux on windows 10 is an implementation of the linux kernel api.
>>54663455
Open defecation, yes. Pooping on the streets, no. It's mostly rural people shitting in their fields. Although you will see it slums and stuff in larger cities too.
>>54663006
>I think Microsoft needs to focus more on making their OS slimmer
A loud subsect of the tech community back in 2001 and 2002 was yelling that from the roof tops, Windows XP(3GB installed no SPs) was bloated beyond belief even when compared to Windows 2000 (900MB installed no SPs) which is pretty much the same OS without the skin.
Everyone called us crazy because muh cheap storage.
>>54666924
went to the doctor last week, they printed labels from a Win10 laptop
they also had a wireless router
>>54663037
> pisses off the 5% like you
> 5%
Why do you think the consumer started buying ipads?
>>54662869
Microsoft has been making record profits. How is that "not recovering"?
>>54663037
None of this is a reason to make poor design decisions that you can't opt out of.
>>54663485
Jesus christ, with the most populated country on earth, why the hell can't you grab a few million who are in abject poverty and give them a job digging ditches for sewage systems?
>>54663612
this is what religion gets us.
>>54671577
No, XP was really the beginning of the end, when Microsoft started to kick their pursuit for Apple's coattails into overdrive and began shitting all over the professional userbase that actually made them money with a decade of consumer pandering and conditioning the market to expect a radical redesign of the UI aesthetics every five years, no matter how shitty.
There's a reason so many people see Win2k as the best Windows ever.
>>54672231
>implying India would use its money to help poor people
>>54664749
More like Microsoft is covering up their losses with overpriced services that cucks are buying because its made by Microsoft.
Basically, what happened with Polaroid.
>>54672428
...Actually, that sounds exactly like Apple's business model. They used to be big in the nineties, then Windows made open, customizable personal computers open to new software development a thing, and suddenly Apple was the "fancy" bullshit.
>>54672612
Apple didn't suddenly become fancy. When Jobs took over he killed a lot of projects and products to focus on one or two things and do them well, people were asking for a ipod+phone device much earlier than Apple actually make it.
The thing that placed Apple on the map was the itunes, ipod couldn't stand on its own without itunes, and itunes changed the music market more than p2p MP3 give away ever did.
>>54672700
>itunes changed the music market more than p2p MP3 give away ever did.
much like steam. funny how when you make a service more convenient than pirating, turns out people will opt to pay for it.
>>54663455
India has strict cultural values so the only time girls can sneak off with boys is to tell their parents they're going to the shitting fields and then meet the boys to get pregnant fucking behind Pajeets Vinadloo shack.
When Unicef and other charities started building toilets in rural areas the locals lamented this as excuse to go to the bathroom was only way they had any independence.
At the same time the shitting fields are full of dirty pajeets who rape any women who go there at night so lose/lose situation in India.
>>54672773
>pirating is/ever was convenient
>>54672186
Newsflash, people dont care. I do, you do but /g/ isnt really representative for the population. W10 is perfect in the minds of most people.
As a business you dont look at what is good for the customer but what customers think is good for them.
>>54672612
>then Windows made open, customizable personal computers open to new software development a thing
What? Apple made more than compact Macs back then, you know. The Mac II, Quadra and Power Macintosh lines were all very expandable, and had plenty of development tools.
And they were always "fancy", in the '80s and early '90s they were very expensive, fast and blew the doors off of just about anything short of niche cost-no-object workstations for all things 2D.
Then the PPC switch came, and everything turned to shit. PCs finally caught up with them when Microsoft got their head out of their asses and designed a UI worth a shit and released NT to begin their crusade into the workstation market, Apple's product line was bewildering, with a ton of awful looking beige shit that all looked the same, and a slow shitty OS running on top of it.
Steve turned that shit to gold by simplifying the product line and making it stand out again, though they sacrificed a little in the design, Power Macs weren't nearly as expandable as they were, and the performance options weren't all that great.
April 4th, 1975 is when they went down hill.
>>54670171
It's cute that you and OP hate Microsoft so much. I'm sorry you fell for a Indian scammer.
>>54671161
>Windows 8 tries to turn desktops/laptops into phones, it's a shitty idea.
in reverse:
as the CEO of apple said about the surface / metro / win 8
"they've tried to make a toaster a fridge"
>>54664207
I'm sorry but I have to. I used to be that guy that ridiculed people who used it, but when M$ takes a literal shit on its loyal customers, while catering to the Apple retards who were the ones who invented that phrase, they fucking deserve all of my hate.
My biggest beef with Windows is that even a 10 year old kid can make a virus for Windows very easily.
>>54666706
If you've ever bought a PC or Laptop with Windows or Office pre-installed, then you have. The license is part of the cost.
>>54666706
You have no idea how business works, do you?
Yes, Microsoft runs enterprise, and yes, they enterprise pays for licenses.
>>54662869
>At what point did Microsoft go downhill?
>Windows 95
When I was a teen, the first family PC my mom bought had Win 3.1. I never had much trouble with it, but then again, I used MSDOS mostly. It's the OS I learned to use at school, whereas mom used Windows at work. We were both happy. Then 95 came along and effectively killed MSDOS, and it was nothing but a complete shit-show afterwards, until I discovered, and completely moved to Linux. I just wish I had of made the move much sooner.
>>54662898
>nutella
funny double meaning
thought you were referencing the next version or Android and its tie in with chrome os
>>54677101
Agreed. MS failed at everything beyond making a pretty DOS shell.
>>54666004
Isn't .NET already open source?
>>54666587
Why make a linux distro? Why not just open source wangblows and make money off of the services on it like cortana and the store?
>>54663487
Me either, but I never used it either. I thought that when people bought Wiis thinking it was going to help their fat asses get fit, that they were retarded. I felt the same when MS couldn't think of nothing better to do than rip-off the Wii's biggest selling point, and try to pass it off as something new.
>>54677101
DOS was trash
My first computer was an ibm 286 with windows 3.0 /dos 5.0 in the early 90s. was cool, especially after I copied the WEP games and a few more gems from my aunt and mom. Then I upgrade to Win 3.1. pc had maybe 30mb hdd. simple times then. I kinda miss it. First modern pc was ibm aptiva with Win 95 in 1997. Also the year I got internet. it had a 2.1gb hdd. it cost about what a decent used car did back in the day, lol. Now people complain that 16GB ram and 1TB+ hdd is to small. wtf, back then 2gb was considered huge or least top end. Funny, I played UT on it, after upgrading the video to a voodoo 3 2000 pci, and all these years later I still play UT and a lot of the same games I did back then. Also funny how ms is now concerned with install bloat due to how win 10 uses compression on the files by default. A win 95 install used maybe 100MB full. A win 2000 install used maybe 1.5GB with all sp applied. I wonder what would have been if win 2k was made with support for newer hardware.
>>54677596
Was that supposed to hurt my feelings, and get my jimmies all rustled? Because it completely failed. You completely failed.
>>54677637
>I wonder what would have been if win 2k was made with support for newer hardware.
Windows XP?
The really sad thing is that really most people do the same tasks they do on the pc now that they did back in the late 90s. Only thing has changed is the bloat and speed of the hardware/software.
1997 - (Win 95 )surf internet, check e-mail (IE 4.0/Outlook express)
Play UT/Q3A/Quake 2/Tomb Raider 2/games in general. listen to cds/ music with media player. (yes you could rip cds back then for you youngsters.)
2016 - (Win 7) Surf internet/ check e-mail (office 2007), play same games I did back in 1997. Listen to music, bout the only thing that I do different now is rip/ watch videos.
>>54672073
>>54672306
Windows 2000 was godtier, I remember my school used it all the way to 2011. Crazy.
>>54677798
>Use PC's today in the same manner I did in the late 90's
>shit-posting, email, vidjas, and moose-kick.
This is the very definition of useful technology getting turned into nigga technology. If you didn't hook up your PC to a printer, it was nigga technology. Bet this motherfucker doesn't even remember the days of Dot Matrix printers from the Parallel port. Shit was GOAT.
>>54666988
Facebook babbys and le 9gagers don't remember when Bill would rage at employees till the cried or threw chairs around the room.
He was way more of an asshole than Steve Jobs
>>54670043
>tfw windows 8+ has just been one long beta and they've never released a full OS since 7
the last time they created a complete UI that covered the entire system was 7... which wasn't much of a change from vista anyways
>>54662869
Around 1985, went to shit and just got shittier year by year.
Java is what set the death spiral for Microsoft in motion. Hard to see that unless you were there though.
>one of the most valuable companies in the world
>downhill
>>54663298
C# would be excellent if it wasn't fucking Java, and if it didn't needed a bloated framework + a vm + a runtime and god knows what again.
>>54662869
It went downhill once Ballmer left in 2012, just in time for Windows 8.
