WHAT DO WE DO!!!!!! 1070 IS KILL!!!!!!!
http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/new_patch_brings_vulkan_support_to_doom.html
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AMD STOP STOP STOP STOPPPP!!!!!
>>55525812
>1% gains from vulkan
what the fuck nvidia
VULKAN WAS SUPPOSE TO BE OURS
FUCK THIS RETURNING THIS SHIT AND GETTING A RX 480
>>55525821
What? No gains
It lost performance vs OGL
>>55525821
>gains
I mean if you look it loses some frames moving to Vulkan. lel novidya, I guess I can get a 480 after all.
Nvidia can't do async compute properly
These cards are gonna be shitty for future games
>>55525812
irresponsible amount of NO GAINS
>>55525812
Nvidia can't into DX12 and Vulkan
>>55525834
>VULKAN WAS SUPPOSE TO BE OURS
Said who? The AMDfags have been chanting this for what feels like centuries now.
>Oh yeah? Well just wait for vulkan and dx12 and stuff! We'll show you!
>They're mantle, just wait and see!
>W-w-we'll get the last laugh ;_;
Alright, you were right you fuckers. Do your victory dance so we can be done with this shit.
D-drivers will fix it.
>>55525812
>Nvidia cards can't into new technologies
This isn't news. They're designed to the strengths of the most popular API at the time and ignore everything else. That's why they age like milk left out in the sun.
>>55525812
DELETE THIS
>>55525862
Some other sites are showing even bigger gains for the 480.
http://www.legitreviews.com/doom-gets-vulkan-implementation_183882
Waiting finally paid off, guys. Nvidia are done.
>>55525812
>>55525862
>>55526031
>AMD wins again
It's not really shocking. We always win, eventually.
>>55525862
>rx 480 gets 10 more fps than the 1070 at 1080p
Not getting a 250$ aib 480 with 90% the 1070 performance it's like you like getting railed
>>55525862
Now release a single card that competes with the top end and maybe people will actually buy AMD products again and the market can have some competition.
I've waited 5 months but it's finally here, I finally get this play this game on my favorite api.
-said no one ever
>>55526031
Holy shit. Savage.
>>55525821
Vulkan (like DX12) needs Async Compute capable hardware to make better use of the GPU
Also Nvidia's OpenGL drivers are highly optimized
>>55526067
>115-150=10
I don't see how you could have possibly made this mistake.
>>55526067
You're reading the graph wrong. Look at the text before you make an idiot of yourself again.
We warned you guys about the lack of full hardware async compute support on nvidiot cards.
Just played the final two levels of Doom with Vulkan enabled. I have a old Radeon 7850 1gb which could somewhat manage the game at 1080p at low graphic settings.
With Vulkan I managed to bump it up to medium graphics with some added bells and whistles and got between 40-60fps. Thats a MASSIVE improvement.
What you're seeing is the same thing that occurred with DX11 to DX12. Nvidia's cards are already performing where they are supposed to be even under OpenGL. AMD's weren't. A 980 beat a Fury X in OpenGL.
http://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=21951
This discussion comes up with every new DX12/Vulkan title. Just because one company is seeing massive gains doesn't mean the other company has something wrong.
1080p on ultra the RX 480 was pulling 98/99 fps average with whatever the default is for D44M according to a lot of benches. Now under Vulkan its a ballhair short of 120fps average.
Pretty impressive gains.
>>55526031
Getting a mere gain of thirty fps for a 250$ card
>>55526159
bu-but
nvidia dx12_1 support!
what do mean? nvidia lied? AGAIN?
DUDE GRAPHICS CARDS LMAO XXDDDDD
>>55526193
The whole DX12 feature levels was just tech illiterate retards running amok. The levels aren't even "levels" they're categories, and higher isn't necessarily better. All they describe is whether certain features are implemented via hardware, or handled in software.
All of the
>hurr durr Nvidia is better 12_1 true DX12 durrr
was super cringey bullshit not even remotely accurate
>>55526193
I was about to post this...some guy was on here saying that shit like 4 days ago. Said AMD is not up to spec with DX12
Originally Posted by id
Does DOOM support asynchronous compute when running on the Vulkan API?
Asynchronous compute is a feature that provides additional performance gains on top of the baseline id Tech 6 Vulkan feature set.
Currently asynchronous compute is only supported on AMD GPUs and requires DOOM Vulkan supported drivers to run. We are working with NVIDIA to enable asynchronous compute in Vulkan on NVIDIA GPUs. We hope to have an update soon
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>>55526222
i know lol its funny how they suddenly changed it back in december and no one said anything lol
>>55526145
NVIDIOTS BTFO AND ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>55526229
>working with NVIDIA to enable asynchronous compute
lol
This just proves how AMD sucks with drivers.
They really need to rewrite the whole DX11\OGL part of the driver.
It should be easier now since they maintain only GCN and I think Cayman is still on life support but not for long.
>>55526229
Nvidia STILL can't into asynchronous compute? Fuck me. I still have 5 days to return my 1070 for a full refund... seriously considering it right now.
>>55526229
the only way you gonna see async
>>55526288
It really has nothing to do with drivers, you tech-illiterate little butterball. OpenGL and DX11 literally can't take advantage of AMD's Asynchronous Compute Engines, which is where a huge chunk of their performance is hidden. It's not possible to fix that via a driver. These cards were designed from the ground up with DX12 and Vulcan in mind, even though they didn't exist at the time (hence we got Mantle as a stopgap). Nothing AMD can do will ever bring their DX11 and OpenGL performance anywhere near these levels.
>>55526288
>They really need to rewrite the whole DX11\OGL part of the driver.
Fucking why? Those will be irrelevant going forward.
asynchronous compute won't show up on nvidia cards until volta, and volta has been delayed until 2018
>>55526289
What good DX11 game came out this year? What good DX11 game is expected to be coming out?
>>55526289
Prove that you have one.
>>55526338
They can, and in linux, in some games the open source driver actually outperforms the proprietary one by 50% or more.
I would rather they focus on Dx12 and vulkan performance, as well as developing tools and resources for devs to work with.
>>55526338
>hence we got Mantle as a stopgap
To be fair to AMD, it wasn't a stopgap. They played a long, strategic game and somehow won with what was arguably a losing hand. Let's see if that means they can avoid having to fold in the coming rounds.
Sorry, that metaphor was so strained that it was physically painful to type.
Even so, the GTX 1070 is still faster than the RX 480.
I'm glad that AMD got a performance boost.
>tfw waiting for 3rd party Radeon 480 with proper cooling and 8 pin power plug.
>>55526366
Sure. What do I do, lads?
>>55525812
Isn't Vulkan an AMD technology ? If so it's not surprising.
>>55526396
GTX 1070 in the UK is almost twice the cost of RX 480. Scan has it on for £400+ and I can get a 380 for £215.
>>55526462
get it back and get a 480 and then be baptised by ed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nloRGBdkOeM
>>55526382
>They can
No, they can't. DX11 and OpenGL cannot use the ACEs, so will never come close to the extra performance gained from utilizing them. AMD's Linux drivers being absolute shit is a completely seperate issue.
>>55526462
Send it back. Seriously.
>>55526462
It has to go back
>>55526492
its a open standard, even google is going to support it on their anpoors
>>55525812
its still around 40% worse then nvidia? okey, I get it the rx480 is better perf / $ because if the pricing was to scale it should have been 50% or so but still, we all know that you get dimishing returns at the high end.
>>55526462
Is your display 144hz? If yes then keep the 1070, if not then get a new display or send the 1070 back and get a 480.
>>55526462
1070 is terrible card anyway. if it actually sold for 380 dollars like promised then it'd be pretty good but as of now either get 480 as budget card or go all the way to the deep end with 1080 and 1440p/4K.
>>55526462
Who gives a fuck about AC? What you gona do? The 1070 is still faster than all AMD cards and Nvidia dominating.
>>55526582
>open standard
Then, Nvidia needs to work on it. If the 480 can reach 80% of the 1070 performance at half the price, they will now have real competition. And now, the 1060 is beaten by the 480.
>>55526462
OP here, I will be honest. I would keep it the RX480 wont be able to preform as well at the 1070 even with DX12, it's just preforming well in its own area. Unless someone can prove me wrong? But the RX is quite a beast for $250 if the conditions are right, that being Vulkan/DX12 and proper development.
>>55526462
>buying a slower card because it support XYZ feature in 0.001% of the games
Good work /g/
>>55526626
>1060
hO shit I forgot about that fucker! Let me laugh louder!! AH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>55526359
>came out this year
Dark Souls 3
>expected to be coming out
Space Hulk: Deathwing
>>55526626
if 480 is reaching the 80% of a gameworks game then there is no hope
period
>>55526626
Nvidia is on the fucking board of directors for Khronos group and is generally more involved. AMD donated the mantle API to Khronos and Microsoft to be implemented into Vulkan and DX12.
>>55526288
>They really need to rewrite the whole DX11\OGL part of the driver.
we need moar gimpworks. full steam ahead. gimp it harder. we outta rewrite the entire from ground up again.
Vulkan is shit to be honest, you should go with DirectX12™
>>55526162
I don't believe you
>>55526708
>Dark souls 3
>The fourth game in a series of very samey games that people are kind of getting tired of, of which three have been very badly ported to PC
>Space Hulk: Deathwing
>Part of the flood of 40k games being released because Games Workshop decided they really didn't care any more and gave their rights away like a charity hooker
Yeah, not that guy but he said *good* games.
>>55526031
Nice fake, here is some real data http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/new-patch-brings-vulkan-support-to-doom.html
>>55525812
Nvidia's OGL drivers are multi-threaded while AMD's aren't
BIG SURPRISE IT RUNS SAME!
>>55526838
This link we posted by OP, the other guys was just saying he seen other things on another site.
>>55526288
You make it sound like nvidia/amd should rewrite their dx9 drivers because a lot of indie games/mmo still use them. No one's gonna do shit about old tech.
>>55526838
>Two sites have slightly different data
>That must mean that one is a fake
I struggle to follow your logic.
>>55526816
I looked into Space Hulk: Unnecessary colon. It's using the unreal engine so it's going to be DX12/Vulkan too.
>>55526509
i love him, this show is more entertaining than any nvidia announcement
>>55526516
They can still optimize though.
>>55526384
>losing hand
>owns the console market with that hand
Fanboy or not, you have to admit it's going exactly as they planned it.
>>55525812
>1070 IS KILL
not really, but the 1060 is
>>55526708
UE4 supports dx12.
>>55526462
I wouldn't send it back, but If you need better cpu/ram/other shit, then go ahead and put the funds into those instead.
>>55526049
>we
You're fanboy trash unless you actually work for AMD.
>tfw didn't fall for the GTX 1070 meme
Feels good desu. Got me my R9 390X for $250 CAD.
>>55526095
Let's imagine that chip performance scales with chip size at a factor of about 75%
AMD currently has a 230mm chip and the 1070 is a (cut down) 320mm chip, 40% larger
40% at a 75% scaling rate is 30%
With these Vulkan scores, comparing only Guru3D's results, a 40% larger GCN4 chip could get about 116 * 1.3 = 150FPS, shocker, the same score as a 1070
The good news for you is that AMD's Vega chip is going to be a bit larger than 320mm, and considering Polaris' power draw 350mm2 (150 * 1.5 = 225w TDP) is the most likely size.
1080 killer? No, but it could slot in between the 1080 and 1070 in performance. Let's hope all vega chips use at the least GDDR5X, and at the high end HBM2, to control for some of that power use.
>>55526980
>Fanboy or not, you have to admit it's going exactly as they planned it.
I will happily admit to being an AMD fanboy. I'm typing this on a ULV trinity laptop that I use to do steam in home streaming from my a10 7850k desktop. That replaced my athlon x2 245/ HD7750 build. I am a massive fanboy.
But before they got the consoles, there's no denying that they were in a tight spot. Mantle was used to incredible effect, essentially bringing them back from the dead. Now they have a real chance to get some proper market share.
>>55526626
There's only so much you can do with software if you don't have the proper hardware for it. It's like trying to play a ps2 game on a pc. You can emulate it with software, but you're gonna need a way better pc than a ps2 and it still won't run perfect.
>>55527044
#rekt
>>55527104
vega wont even compete with 1080 in the first place...
its about to compete with volta
1080/70 will be DOA by 2017
>>55527149
That is some wishful thinking, I'm an AMD fanboy but come on history is not on their side.
>>55527104
This slide is from a AMD conference today. They still show HBM2...do you think they can still switch it to GDDR5X for 2017? I'm thinking they might be going all the way wtih HBM?
>>55527160
dont know 480 is pretty much spot on where they said...
and vega having 15 to 18 billion transistors as per amd well it wont even be close to begin with..
>>55526805
but im a girl
>>55525812
What CPU does this bench use?
Vulkan's benefit is from reducing CPU load. If the CPU is badass and never chugged to begin with then of course there is no benefit. Doom is a heavily GPU bound game. I'm running full 60FPS on max settings on a fucking Phenom II X4
>>55526462
It'd be a waste to switch out the 1070 for the RX 480. I have no preference between AMD and Nvidia, I just like whatever's best for my budget. The GTX 1070 is better than the RX 480 and it's silly idea to think otherwise. I love the 480, I'm overjoyed that there's a new great budget GPU out there. But the 1070 simply performs better, it's a higher end card. That's all there is to it. The RX 480 might get more out of Vulkan than the 1070, according to these benchmarks, but the 1070 still outperforms the 480. You do you man. But personally I'd stick with what you have already. Also from my experience /g/ isn't always the best place to go in for advice, to much biased opinions and all that.
>>55526049
>AMD wins again
>performance overall is less than the Nvidia
What?
All this is showing is that AMD is less restrained by their shitty drivers thanks to Vulkan and shows that Nvidia was never restrained by shitty drivers to begin with
>>55527234
Vulkan also benefits from other GPU side things. You cant do async on dx11 or opengl 4.5
>>55527249
>performance overall is less than the Nvidia
For little over half the price, with a significantly smaller chip.
>>55527238
no nvidia card will be better.. because having more fps doesnt mean squat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxnFv8cnjZA
>>55527169
There've been rumors of a "low end" and a "high end" 2-chip-each Vega set and while I don't believe AMD has the budget for four products in the upper range the lower end most definitely couldn't have HBM2 due to supply and yield issues.
Having said that I really do hope AMD has a >350mm Vega chip and a >450mm Vega chip because it would attack Nvidia's market segmentation very very well
>>55527277
Apparently async is still disabled in Doom for nvidia cards even o nVulkan
>>55527350
Yeah no Shit because Nvidia doesn't have async
>>55525812
All this shows is that Nvidia's OpenGL drivers were already really good.
>>55527100
Used?
I'm glad nvidia is finished and bankrupt.
>>55527372
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=407947&page=10
This is false, user reporting performance increase on Nvidia card @Vulkan.
While AMD user also reporting performance loss with Vulkan.
Come one guys, Vulkan and drivers are not even final, wait some time.
>>55527283
Holy fucking shit that 1070 stutters when panning and zooming. If that were happening to me I'd spend days googling how to fix it.
>>55527408
Doesn't change the fact that async is disabled for Nvidia
https://bethesda.net/#en/events/game/doom-vulkan-support-now-live/2016/07/11/156
>Does DOOM support asynchronous compute when running on the Vulkan API? Asynchronous compute is a feature that provides additional performance gains on top of the baseline id Tech 6 Vulkan feature set. Currently asynchronous compute is only supported on AMD GPUs and requires DOOM Vulkan supported drivers to run. We are working with NVIDIA to enable asynchronous compute in Vulkan on NVIDIA GPUs. We hope to have an update soon.
>>55527388
Manufacturer refurbished from NCIX, but it's literally brand new. It's the Sapphire Nitro with the backplate and what not. Also I'm only interested in 1080p and still use a 60Hz monitor, so I'm restricting it's use a lot. All the shit I read about heat/power hungry is basically bullshit but only if I turn vsync off does it actually start getting hot.
Anyway, for me I'm getting basically 70-75% of the 1070 performance and it cost me basically 60% less than the 1070 (at current prices/exchange) so I really don't think it was a bad deal.
>>55527408
>Results are not consistent across the board
Well no fucking shit Sherlock. There are thousands of potential hardware combinations, if not millions at this point. There will be a large degree of variance.
>>55527388
Also, not that long ago they had brand new ones going for ~$360 CAD: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Sapphire-Nitro-R9-390X-8G-GDDR5-PCI-E-DVI-D-HDMI-TRIPLE-DP-TRI-X-OC-W-BACK-Pl-/282078697152?hash=item41ad3356c0:g:kz8AAOSwjXRXbckL
I just happened to get 1 that wasn't brand new that they had in stock on the actual website really cheap but this was like a 3 day sale or some shit.
>>55527459
So? Whats your strawmann about? I never said anything different you retard. People who use THEIR OWN hardware see performance increase in Vulkan on nvidia cards you spastic.
>>55527443
Ye, now imagine when they enable AC.
http://www.dsogaming.com/news/doom-benefits-greatly-vulkan-vulkan-versus-opengl-performance-comparison/
I would buy an rx480, but their Linux drivers have been consistently crap.
>>55527499
Snot bad.
>>55527503
A lot of people on their own hardware are reporting some performance losses too.
We'll just see what happens when (or if) they enable async
>>55526133
>highly optimized
That's some fluent gamer jargon
>>55527169
what scalability mean for gpus?
>>55527583
multiple chips inside the interposer cutting out the middle man (alx chip)
>>55527104
You can't extrapolate performance from die area, Polaris 10 was designed specifically to disregard density to maximize yields. The components in the CU are spaced incredibly far apart where in all other GCN designs they're packed in incredibly tight.
AMD could have given the design 64 ROPs so it would out perform the R9 390X, but the design would have had more transistors, been more complex, and more expensive. Pixel throughput is the only limiting factor for the design, its why the clocks are so high for a GCN card, and why power consumption is so high. Its essentially a factory overclocked card to make up for the higher yeilding 32 ROP layout. If it weren't for that it would be a bit closer to the GTX 1070 in performance at markedly lower power, but it was just made to be cheap so they could shit out millions of them.
Designs targeting higher price points won't have the same low density of Polaris 10. Vega will be much more dense, and they're going way over 64 CU.
>>55526626
gtx 1060 = rx 470
>>55527554
Yes, on AMD and Nvidia cards. It only means that this Thread is completly missleading and says nothing about the future of Vulkan.
The only think we still know that nvidia is still dominating the highend market and AMD is unable to catch the gap, they release to late.
DX12 games coming out 2016
Battlefield 1
Deus Ex: Mankind Divided
Star Citizen
Ark: Survival Evolved
Watch Dogs 2
Halo 5: Guardians Edition
Gears of War 4
Forza Horizon 3
Halo Wars 2
>>55527646
>Halo 5: Guardians Edition
source: your ass
>>55527646
dishonored is on id tech 6 as well
>>55527670
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/05/halo-5-online-multiplayer-forge-mode-are-coming-to-windows-10-for-free/
>>55527667
this image makes NO FUCKING SENSE
>>55527646
>DX12 games
Vulkan is the future m8
Get with the format
>>55527709
Sure it does
For Talos, Vulkan is just a wrapper for OpenGL, it's not really a game made or optimized for Vulkan, the devs themselves have said this
>>55527739
>>55527709
And in that regard, it still performs better than their strictly OpenGL mode, that's what they were trying it out to see, however both are an afterthought compared to their DX11 mode
That feel when ordered 1080 and goy-sync monitor today and already getting second thoughts. It's gonna be obsolete in 2 years isn't it?
>>55527646
hey look games I give zero fucks about
>>55527755
Any GPU you could possibly get will be obsolete in 2 years.
You picked the wrong platform if you don't want this feel.
>>55527754
So thats why the 1070 and RX480 are faster in DX11 than 1080?
Makes no sense
>>55525862
That's just because AMD OpenGL drove is terrible
>>55527755
Yes, in 2 Years you wont be able to start games on this hardware, get cucked nvidia fanboy
>>55527667
>Single 480 is 50% slower than 1070
>Dual 1070 is 50% faster than single 1070
>Dual 480 is 10% slower than 1070
>Dual 480 is 95% faster than single 480
WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON?
>>55527780
They're not, only the ones in SLI mode, SLI 1080 would be faster
>>55527811
Ah, its CF and SLI, ty.
>>55527755
It won't really be obsolete, but with Nvidia's current track record I wouldn't expect to be good $/performance as times goes on. AMD has already proven that they have drivers that optimize their older cards where as Nvidia has literally cucked Kepler owners starting with Maxwell, and it won't surprise me if the same things happens with Pascal once a new architecture comes out.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1529108/are-nvidia-neglecting-kepler-optimization-since-maxwell-release
>>55527852
wohoo conspiracy
>>55527852
nah they dont need to gimp them anymore
they just throw them inti legacy mode
>>55527755
Yep, just look at where the 780 and 780 Ti is now relative to the 290x. Don't buy Nvidia unless you plan to upgrade every generation.
>>55527924
>conspiracy
>popular marketing strategy
Pick one
>>55527852
>Pascal once a new architecture comes out.
Pretty much a given considering how shit it is with Async compute. They can't ignore it with Volta considering that AMD has all the consoles.
>>55527809
Crossfire scaling has been really good for a while now(that is, when it works as intended) while SLi has been lackluster.
>>55528004
Huh, you'd almost think that a new iPhone release coincided with a massive software update that gave the old iPhones absolutely no new features. Funny that.
>>55525812
ITT: shilling and countershilling
everyone, go back to >>>/v/
>>55528099
"Searches for 'iPhone slow' show a spike ahead of launches"
Try again
>>55527283
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxnFv8cnjZA
Explain it nerds. Is the GTX catching wildly different render times and spitting it out asap?
>>55525812
>every AMD shill thread ever
>muh ASYNC COMPUTE THAT ONE GAME USES
>Doesn't realize that vulkan is about as stable as a bag of schizophrenic dicks
>>55528174
>one game
I don't even play games anymore but I know that there are at least 5 games right now using async compute.
>>55528200
And 99.99% of all games don't.I really don't see the benefit of early adopting APIs just so you can play 5-6 games WOW LOOK AT AMD BEATING NVIDIA XD WE DID IT WE BEAT NVIDIA AT ASYNC COMPUTE and lose every DX11 and OpenGL benchmark.
>>55528145
>Searches for 'iPhone slow' show a spike ahead of launches
No, they don't. If you find the source to go with the graph it states "the days after". What do you want me to try again?
>>55528240
>.I really don't see the benefit of early adopting APIs just so you can play 5-6 games WOW LOOK AT AMD BEATING NVIDIA XD WE DID IT WE BEAT NVIDIA
jokes on you, Nvidia was the first one who adopted Vulkan Doom in their 1080 conference.
>>55528285
>jokes on you
No it isn't, and vulkan support =/= YOU'LL GET MASSIVE FPS BOOST FROM USING VULKAN :DDDDD
>>55526031
OH MY GOD
>>55528240
>still 2 whole years until nvidia's async card
>it only takes a couple months to convert dx11/opengl to dx12/vulkan
>>55528240
>i don't see the benefit being able to play the newest game on the highest settings
why do you even buy a gpu then? To play 3 years old titles? I would undestand this argument on the last gen, but nowadays A LOT of AAA games are being built with dx12 and Vulkan in mind.
Also, Microsoft is really pushing dx12 so it can sell their scorpion thing or whatever is the name next year. AMD will slowly, but surely take over the gpu market on the next 2 or 3 year. Maybe by than Nvidia will find a way to compete again.
>>55528305
>vulkan support =/= YOU'LL GET MASSIVE FPS BOOST FROM USING VULKAN
Yeah, i can see that from OP image.
Poor nvidia, got beaten on their own Vulkan sample game..
>>55528285
Think of it this way: AMD's DX 11 and OpenGL performance is so bad that it makes laughable gains in DX 12/ Vulkan benchmarks.
Nvidia's DX 11 and OpenGL drivers are so well optimized that it doesn't really make a difference if you use some new meme APIs that will crash every 3-4 minutes.
WAIT FOR VOLTA
That will kill the AMDrone
>>55528338
>why do you even buy a GPU then?
Why are you implying that I'm going to buy any current gen die shrink pieces of garbage with GDDR5?
>To play 3 year old titles?
>buy new shiny graphics cards
>It only works with 3 -5 games but has shit performance in other titles you already own
You tried pajeet.
>>55528357
>Nvidia's DX 11 and OpenGL drivers are so well optimized that it doesn't really make a difference
I would agreed with you if Nvidia 1080 doesn't get 25% performance boost with Vulkan.
>>55528389
Not him but are you honestly saying that you only intend to play games released before your GPU was made and not touch any that come after?
>>55528427
>25% performance boost
see
>>55525812
Is this good or bad. You GPU fags change everyday
>>55528447_(you)
>>55528442
>not him
No, I'm saying that I won't buy / switch graphics cards to one that only offers support to meme APIs that aren't widely used yet and have mediocre performance everywhere else.
>>55528447
Are you blind? I don't see GTX 1080 in OP pic.
Current Doom bench showing GTX 1080 run at 160 fps on openGL, nvidia conference showed 200fps with Vulkan.
No performance gain, right?
>>55528263
You're right, surely ou must have a delusional response to the fact that the problem doesn't exist for Android phones too.
Is apple genuinely worse at designing software?
>>55528500
>No performance gain right?
What settings you stupid fuck?
Just the raw FPS doesn't mean donkey dick.
>>55528535
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN0BTk6ZewA
see for your fucking self.
>>55528500
>nvidia conference showed 200fps with Vulkan
On what settings? don't know?
Then stfu and look at the real benchmarks already out.A 1070 is a cut down 1080, it's not magically going to not scale just because you want to make believe.
>>55528563
I'm just gonna laugh at you.
>>55526462
>70 GlobalistBucks in tax
Holy shit
>>55526873
Amd can't into multi-thread so they've done a lower level api so the game devs can do the job for them.
>>55528511
Wait what? You think I'm defending Apple because I'm stating that it happens after a new phone is launched and not before? Holy shit that's dumb.
No, I honestly believe that Apple is fucking over their iPhones with software "updates" but you know, they kind of have to be available for people to get a hold of them.
>>55528551
>both touch 200fps
>Wow Vulkan is gr8 meme
Please die
>>55528574
Yeah, it's painful.
Thanks for all the advice, lads. Gonna think it over.
>>55525812
I don't get it, does running it on Vulkan make the game look nicer?
>>55528551
>vulkan means 25% fps gain
>>55528595
>It touch 200 while he standing doing nothing staring at a wall
>WOW
>>55527104
All vega chips will have hbm2 up to 16gb. At 4k it will kill the 1080 for sure
>>55528675
see
>>55528663
''''''no''''''
>>55528663
I love how you find a part where both of them showing 200fps on some occasion while ignored most of the time the openGL only got average of 150fps framerate.
I'm here only to discuss the new API and you guys really need to be so autistic about it.
>>55528686
See. >>55528675 and >>55528700
>>55528700
>>55528717
>>55528717
>>55528700
>>55528728
And? the whole video the game ran on 150fps average on openGL.
What the hell are you gonna prove here beside that it sometime both of then can reach same number of FPS in small occasion?
Are you posting just to spite me or actually want to discuss something?
>>55528757
That vulkan is a meme
>>55528788
Okay.
>>55528677
>At 4k it will kill the 1080 for sure
vega 10 will be equivalent performance to the 1080. AMD isn't even making a 600mm2 chip this generation so they won't put out any competitors to the titan p and 1080ti.
gg
>>55525812
Why do you type like that?
Are you brain damaged?
>>55525812
Sure am glad I didn't fall for the Pascal Meme
Switching from OpenGL to Vulkan, Ultra Settings with TSSAA@1440P with a stock Fury.
>>55527646
The only non shitty looking game on that list is Forza Horizon 3.
>>55529102
Acquire some decent taste
>>55529020
Nice. Although I think that the Fury's 4gb will become a limiting factor very soon.
>>55529121
Sorry, I forgot Halo Wars 2 and maybe Star Citizen. Everything else is definitely shit looking.
>>55529137
>I think that the Fury's 4gb will become a limiting factor very soon.
Only for Ultra Mega Resolution Textures, some games don't even show a difference with various textures despite it eating up more VRAM
>>55529140
The Mainline Deus Ex Titles are always a decent playthough
>>55529165
I really didn't like HR so I have absolutely no interest in MD. Also le mechanical apartheid meme storyline is putting me off.
I'm not going to miss much by skipping out on it.
>>55529012
I'm also thinking about this. Like deeply!
>>55529140
>Star Citizen.
How long has that game been delayed? My vaporware sense is tingling.
DELET THIS
JUST FUCKING DELETE THIS
>tfw bought a 1080 because I truly thought this was the end for AMD
>>55529177
>>55529012
It's also aging like a fine wine, much like most modern AMD cards, it's gained 10fps in GTAV through the years
top chart was from Fury X launch
>>55529190
it's been in development for about as long as Cyberpunk 2077, so maybe vaporware.
>>55529216
Why would you buy a card that can't properly push 4k 60hz or 1440p 144hz?
>>55529236
Because I play at 1440p/60hz you donut
>>55529236
>properly
>>55529248
but a Fury X or 1070 could do 1440p 60hz high/ultra no problem
>>55525812
>novidiafags think their pascal is an all-new uarch
>realize it's just maxwell 3.0
>realize it's just tesla 5.2
>realize they're buying deprecated tech
mfw pic related
>>55527719
Maybe if DX12 wasn't around.
The thing is the xb1 already supported DX12, so if you are going to make a game for the xb1 and the PC why not have both use DX12 ?
It won't make sense for them to go through the hassle of dx12 AND vulkan
Not to say we will never see a game support dx12 and vulkan, just when resources are tight developers will go with dx12 by default since they have no choice on the xb1
>>55527249
>Amd didn't trample a card that costs almost triple
Shock!
>>55529259
No.
>>55529318
Yes?
GTAV, nvidia optimized title Fury X hits 66fps average
>>55529318
>>55529438
The Witcher 3, Fury X hits 50fps, 1070 60fps
>>55529318
>>55529438
>>55529452
Battlefield 4, over 60fps for both GPUs
So what the fuck are you talking about? The 1080 is a bad purchase because it's overkill for 1440p, but not 100% there for high refresh rate 1440p or 4k 60hz gaming
>>55529137
Different anon here. This is why I'm switching to dual 480's.
>>55529482
multi gpu support just isn't 100% there, just keep that in mind.
>>55529482
Eh, crossfire is risky, you have to wait for special drivers all the time and sometimes they don't come at all. You basically can't play games in crossfire immediately after they come out. It would maybe be smarter to wait for Vega.
>>55529482
>>55529564
I know it's a risk but I'm betting on Multi-GPU support getting much better with DX12. It could easily backfire and if it does I'm planning on doing a whole new build in a couple of years anyway. Alternatively I could buy a 2nd Fury but the fuckers price is literally never going to drop so why bother.
>ze germans showing an 8350 paired with a nano going from 36fps to 50fps at 4k
Honestly as impressive as all this gpu talk is i'd like to see some cpu focused benchmarks in the coming days. Hell for all DX12 games released so far cpu scaling is far more interesting than seeing gpus gain performance.
Hey Nvidiots. Turn vsync off in Doom settings and in your Nvidia game profile.
You might see some gains.
Quickly, shoop this so DX12 is replaced with vulkan.
>>55529783
All that is happening is AMD hardware is being brought up to the levels it would have had if DX11 had been a level playing field. It's not about AMD beating Nvidia hardware. It's about AMD's architecture now being enabled to run at it's optimized settings via DX12 and Vulkan. Nvidia is not losing anything since they were always already optimized for DX11 and OGL. The reason you are not seeing significant gains (and sometimes losses) in DX12 and Vulkan on Nvidia's side is just that their architecture is not optimized towards it. If they did that then they would lose any gains in DX11 and OGL and be on the same level of performance as AMD.
People see it as black and white when it is not.
All that DX12 and Vulkan are doing is leveling the playing field for once. The hardware is pretty much so close on each team anyhow it's not worth fighting over.
So a benchmark shows that AyyyMD's implementation of opengl sucks and they are trying to spin this as an huge win?
>>55525812
This is patethic. THIS IS PATETHIC.
For real. It sound like for half of the people, it was alll a lie.
>>55525821
I fucking know right?
>>55525980
I wish they could. Won't happen.. FUCK
This just show how and will always be ft the budget build and nvidia will always be for the enthusiast
>>55527408
>http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=407947&page=10
Linux.........
>>55525812
While I have no doubt that Nvidia's cards will have smaller performance gains in Vulkan than Nvidia due to lack of async, is the 1070 being bottlenecked by the CPU or is it really just that bad?
DOOM definitely uses Async in Vulkan as it uses it on PS4 and Xbox One.
>>55531438
Async allows the GPU to do stuff faster / in parallel and shouldn't affect CPU load
>>55532275
>Async ... shouldn't affect CPU load
That's exactly what it's for.
>>55532334
No, that's what Vulkan/DX12 in general is for
>>55527044
>>55527249
Buttmad Novidiots can't handle the truth
>>55526621
It is today, but did you missed the part where they added Vulkan support to Doom and suddenly the RX480 is within 10% of the 1070? That's pretty fucking good for a card that costs HALF of a 1070.
>>55527349
>There've been rumors of a "low end" and a "high end" 2-chip-each Vega set and while I don't believe AMD has the budget for four products in the upper range the lower end most definitely couldn't have HBM2 due to supply and yield issues.
Not that impossible. Low bin for 490 with GDDR5 and a new Fury with HBM2, high bin for 490x with GDDR5X and a new Fury X with HBM2.
Nvidiots on suicide watch! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlzKPBIjZPo
>>55532493
It would be more likely to see
low bin 490 with 8gb GDDR5x, high bin with 8gb HBM2,
low bin rage with 8gb HBM2, high bin with 16gb hbm2
Why are 99% of devs such fags? There are massive improvements in both dx12 and vulkan yet they keep making dx11 games. It's not like they'll lose customers, vulkan is available on all platforms.
Is Nvidia just drowning them in money? There's literally no reason to make a dx11/opengl game now other than to shill nvidia cards.
nvidia user with sandy bridge cpu seem to be benefit from vulkan.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1245006&page=7
>>55532528
pajeet, pls
give it a break with the spam of your designated shitting forums
>>55532556
Because change costs money in the real world. In the delusional world of /g/ you can just flip a switch and change everything without any downside.
>>55526462
You better send that shit back m8
ok I thought that nvidia had a better architecture than AMD in this generation because all benchmarks say nvidia has better performance per watt but it now looks like AMD architercture is superior but only for vulkan and directx 12 and that original AMD 480 slice of 2X480 only using 50% is actually true when using vulkan+async
look in this video vulkan+async with 50% GPU usge vs OpenGL 4.5 using 100%
>>55525862
>b-but the 480 is worse than a 970!!
>JUST GET THE GTX 970 so you can play The Way It's Meant To Be Played!!
>>55528338
>AMD will slowly, but surely take over the gpu market on the next 2 or 3 year
>>55527667
Vulkan for The Talos Principle wasn't even good enough to be considered a half arsed job, they simply created a wrapper and pushed it out calling it "experimental" literally a day after the API's release.
Shit implementation which looked bad on the API all so they could cash in on calling their game the first Vulkan title, wouldn't recommend the game for any benchmarking purposes..
>>55525812
>nVidia wants Vulkan because it has more performance than AMD
>AMD has better performance
NoVidya shills will be in so much denial.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN0BTk6ZewA
vulkan test with 5960x 4.4 ghz and gtx 1080.
>>55532775
Haven't AMDrones been saying that for the last five or six years?
>>55525812
>vulkan performs worse than opengl
Opengl forever
>>55532841
Yeah AMDfags are always talking about how they'll take over in a few years
And Nvidiafags are always talking about how their latest card is going to kill AMD.
>>55532739
>just get the gtx 970
Everyone who wants one already does, if you're a poorfag and want a burnt motherboard buy a reference 480. Otherwise shell out an extra $50 for a 1060 instead. Nvidia doesn't make anymore 970's shoo poo in loos
