Why is it that if you want a decent laptop nowadays you must accept a shitty compromise?
On the left: shitty hardware, 800% markup
On the right: disgusting operating system, shit battery life
>>55506640
I don't get it. They cost almost the same for similar specs. What's your point about the Macbook?
>>55506640
lol, you are too stupid to be able to install an OS? hahaha, loser
>>55506657
Do I need to tell you the difference between 1800 and 2800 or can you into math?
>>55506672
>Linux better than windows
>this is what neets actually believe
>>55506674
Buy a macbook base model and slap an eGPU on it.
for 2400$ you have a desktop/laptop/transportable, literally the best of both worlds.
>>55506690
This might be some of the better advice I've seen on here.
Wait for the new Pro to come out, buy base or max out the CPU, buy RAM aftermarket, buy eGPU chassis and a 1080. Miracles DO happen!
>>55506674
Tell me what configurations you are talking about.
>>55506640
When you're too stupid to know how to install an OS
Yes, then you have to compromise
>>55506717
I'm running a 2015 15" base model with an external gtx 970 for like 10 months now.
I don't see any issue. Ok it's a bit expensive, but it's just perfect.
I can go to work with one of the best laptop available and when I come back home I boot on windows and enjoy some Vive games or GTA 5 in high/ultra on a glorious retina display.
And since CPUs aren't the bottleneck for most game I can just buy a gtx 1070 or else and I'm good to go for another 2 years.
>>55506690
I got hard thinking about this.
Do you think I could use something like this for Tensorflow or other machine learning frameworks? Is the OSX support good? How about Linux?
>>55507011
Wew I'm glad I'm not a Yuropoor.
>>55506776
Do you use bison box 2?
>>55507011
What the fuck is wrong with those displays
>>55507011
12h battery under windows, good luck.
When I'm on bootcamp (so the only thing changing is the OS) I go from 7+ hours battery to not even 3 hours.
>>55507016
Same.
>>55506993
OS X support is decent from what I read, never tried though.
On windows 8.1 it's basically plug and play
Concerning linux, idk, I never encountered someone interested in that.
All my programs run under the cpu so my guess is you won't have any issue with tensor
flow.
>>55506640
The very premise of a laptop is compromise. And no, they don't make 'em like they used to.
>>55507066
They are scaled so they all have the same dpi
>>55507034
Yes and no.
The bison box are just akitio thunder 2 with a few mods.
I made my own for 250$ (without the cpu obviously).
You can't check on techinferno with the keywords "egpu" "diy" "akitio"
It's basically a thunderbolt 2 enclosure with a PCI express slot + an external PSU and a home made cable to be able to plug the PSU to the akitio + 2x 8pin pci.
>>55507011
By the way, what you call "good support" is a joke.
I can walk in an apple store and get every single part of my computer replaced in a week or less during the first 3 years (apple care, yep it's expensive, but once you replaced a mobo or a screen it's not that expensive)
For any other laptop manufacturer you have to ship it to taiwan just to get a diagnosis and it takes literal months
>>55507103
Got any pics? I'd be honestly OK to buy a Mac if this really worked.
How's the performance?
>Gaymurs fighting over their laptops
lol
>>55506640
>On the left: shitty hardware, 800% markup
You could argue that you can get better deals for the XPS, but don't pretend like the difference is that huge. When you go with a refurbished macbook or even just the student discount, then we are talking about a difference of about 100 bucks tops. The hardware is about the same, the macbook seems much more balanced and less focused on spec sheet hardware though.
>>55507380
Sure
From top to bottom, Vive, akitio with my gtx970, the PSU that power the akitio and the 970
>>55507537
>>55507380
btw I'm using it with the enclosure open.
With a it of time and effort you can mod it to look like pic related (if design is you concern)
The best part is that your mac won't run nearly as hot as before since the integrated cpu is not used anymore.
I can play GTA 5 and maintain my cpu under 80 degrees (my room is around 35-40 degrees) with the fans at less than 50%.
>>55507629
>>55507537
>>55507647
That looks nice as fuck. How did you mod it exactly? I've seen pics of people using the akitio basically as a card and leaving the GPU outside of the box.
What are the yellow cables?
>>55507844
The yellow cable allow me to use the same PSU for the akitio and the GPU (to avoid ground loops and other electrical issues).
You can either diy or buy it on eBay (the vendor don't sell it anymore but you can contact him and ask for it) : here is the seller store : http://stores.ebay.com/antronst?rmvSB=true
It's a molex input which outputs to a barrel plug and 2 PCI 8pin connectors
pic related, PSU output > yellow/black cable input > barrel plug and the 2 PCI 8 pin in the background.
You can also use a PCI riser and a "normal" computer PSU but it's bigger, more expensive and less stable (from what I read)
The second pic is not mine but the guy just used some king of saw to cut the original enclosure and put some mesh on it. He also removed to stock fans and put 2 noctua instead.
It's nice but's it's a bit of work and I don't really care how it looks so I just keep mine open
>>55508009
I need to get my ass reading on how to do this properly. Thanks man, sweet setup
>>55508089
np, I'll write a guide soon, I'll probably post it here.
Is the dedicated graphics on the xps 15 worth the bump in price and size over the xps 13?
>>55508125
dedicated graphics are a con
>>55506690
Why not just do the same for cheaper with a Razer Blade Stealth?
>>55508152
As I said, I have a really good experience with apple products so far, their customer service is god like.
I wasn't into macbook at first but then I was recruited in the valley and everyone was using one, so I started to get a bit curious and since money wasn't an issue anymore I bought one, best decision ever.
It's been a year of daily usage and my macbook still looks brand new and works as expected. I had like 3 or 4 laptops in the same price range before this one and they all sucked (HP, packard, etc ...) after a few month of usage they already show wear signs and their customer services are awful. The build quality is also way better on macs.
OS X is pretty comfy too.
I'm not even sure it's cheaper since the razor core (without the GPU) already costs 500$ whereas my enclosure cost 250$.
Also, my macbook is 15", I don't see myself doing my work on a 12.5".
Don't get me wrong, the razer looks like a decent laptop and with the external GPU it might be a really good out of the box solution. It's just not for me.
>>55506640
i'm waiting for kabylake and 1050m for around 800 bucks
>>55508152
Oh, and the stealth have a dual core cpu.
>>55506690
If I wasn't a poorfag I'd do exactly this shit right here
>>55506640
Which laptop is at right ?
>macbook
>shitty hardware
A macbook pro is pretty good hardware for the system it's designed for. It's not a beast but you have to take a look at the specific components before saying it's overpriced.
>>55508793
Looks like a dell xps 15
>>55506640
>shitty hardware
nope
>>55508951
Well, it's pretty expensive if by specs you only mean CPU and GPU.
But if you take in consideration, the unibody, glorious screen, glorious trackpad, glorious battery life, customer service, apple eco system, etc ... it's pretty good for the price.
>>55506690
>>55506776
>>55507034
>>55507103
>>55507537
>>55507629
>>55507647
>>55508009
That looks fucking amazing. How much FPS is shit like GTA V getting? If I had a Macbook I would totally do this.
Isn't the shitty dual core holding games back?
>>55506640
New Latitudes + Fedora 24 = ???
>>55509069
I play in 1920*1200 because the native resolution is a bit too high for a single gtx 970 (2880x1800)
Everything in high/ultra + dx11 and it run smoothly at 60fps. (the sync is fucked up because even when disabled the fps are capped).
Sometimes when there is a lot of shit exploding or colliding it drops below that but it's never under 45fps.
On the Vive I got a stable 90fps on every game I tried so far.
The limiting factor was the PSU that can only output 220W max, so the gtx 980 / ti were a bit to much for it, but now that the new gen of nvidia is out you probably can run a 1070 the same way and get even better performances.
I had some issue running the division or the witcher in high/ultra but I think it's due to either bad optimization at the time (it was a few months ago) or it was a CPU bottleneck. Anyway, it was still smooth in lower settings and waaaaay better than the integrated gpu.
>>55507139
Except the laptop on the right is a dell xps which means they literally send someone to your house to fix it. My mobo died in mine and the guy came the next day to replace it
Just install lincucks on it, what's the problem?
>>55506717
All the leaks have suggested that the RAM on the new Macbook Pros is soldered on and not upgradeable like the rest of the laptop line.
>>55509425
Even 2 years after the purchase date ?
I remember the HP pro I paid like 2k $ at the time and they wanted me to pay for a keyboard replacement (half the keys weren't readable anymore.). And I was still under warranty ...
Maybe dell has a good customer service to, idk.
>>55509487
What's the point of adding ram when the 15" comes with 16gb by default ?
I mean, it's nice to have the possibility to upgrade, but for gaming 8gb is already enough, especially on a laptop it's not going to be the bottleneck.
>>55506640
>disgusting operating system
You can install whatever OS you like
>shit battery life
false, source: Me, i own one.
>>55506776
I'd go with this solution if OS X supported VT-d, what the FUCK?
>>55509539
Anything less than 32GB is unacceptable. Even my shitty Toughpad tablet has 32GB of RAM.
>>55509618
What the fuck do you do with your shit that you need that much. Facebook works with less RAM too.
>>55509788
My guess is video editing or CAD 3D rendering.
>>55509827
>video editing or CAD 3D rendering.
When you do this on a laptop you probably failed at some point in your life.
32gb of ram won't replace a decent cpu and gpu.
>>55506640
Nice meme.
>>55509892
15" quad core macbook vs 12.5" dual core razor stealth vs the 13" meme tier dual core lenovo yoga 2
The only meme here is you my friend.
Next time you'll compare it to a raspberry pie with a 40000 mAh battery and conclude the raspberry pi is better than everything ?
>>55509892
Stupid fucking faggot
>>55510023
Well damage controlled Rajeesh! 2 rupees have been deposited in your loo!
>>55510023
That's why the graph on the right exists retard. Explain why homOSeX macintrash gets worse battery efficiency than literally all of those XTREME GAMING laptops except one with a 17" quad RAID SSD top end CPU/GPU 32GB monstrosity.
>>55509511
>idk.
This is true.
>>55510087
It's normalized by capacity and does not take the specs into account.
>retard
Yep, sure, at least i know how to read a graph.
Shitty spec'd laptops have better battery life than good spec'd laptops
Bigger battery = better battery life
When you normalize by capacity, good spec'd laptops end at the bottom of the chart.
Do you really need a graph for that ?
>>55509873
> not having enough money to buy a $4,000 tablet and a $10,000 workstation
I really hate you poorfags.
>>55510206
Every gaming laptop on that chart has better specs than the facebook pro. Shill harder.
>>55510443
Do you really think the dedicated gpu kicks in when browsing the web and playing a movie in VLC ?
>>55510443
It doesn't even say in the chart which exact models those are you retard. Plus it really doesn't matter to me whatever the normalized battery life is. What matters is just the fucking battery life.
>>55509892
can someone ELI5 this graph? what's the controversy here?
inb4 plebbit
>>55510575
On the left the compare the raw battery life.
Example : the macbook have a huge battery / somewhat decent specs capacity for the battery life is pretty decent. The yoga 2 have a small battery capacity but low end specs so it also have a good battery life.
On the right they normalized the left graph. They divided the battery life by the battery capacity.
>>55510647
so in other words the macbook sucks a shitton of energy out of its battery why?
>>55506640
THE RULE OF CONSUMER TECHNOLOGY
YOU SHALL NEVER RELEASE A PERFECT PRODUCT
OTHERWISE YOUR CUSTOMERS WILL NEVER HAVE A REASON TO UPGRADE
psa over
>>55509892
>>55510647
I forgot the "controversy" part :
It's supposed to shows that the macbooks are less optimized (need bigger battery) than other laptops. When in real life nobody gives a shit because everybody knows MacBooks have really good battery life.
>>55506688
>>55506993
>>55507070
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use.
Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
>>55510540
>>55510574
Well damage controlled Rajeesh! 2 rupees have been deposited in your loo!
>>55510667
Because they have :
>bigger screen (which means more backlight = more energy)
>quad core cpus (most other laptops in the graph have dual core and/or new gen cpus whereas the MacBooks still have old gen intel cpus)
>outdate gpu that consumes more energy
In the end if you compare it to the dell xps 15 they have the same battery life and the same normalized battery life. Plus the dell probably have newer cpu/gpu which consume less.
>>55510678
right but for what reason could one speculate macbooks are such a power hog, relatively speaking?
>>55510678
>defending your massive heavy underpowered piece of shit because "muh logo"
>>55510741
Because OSX is a steaming pile of shit. Windows runs better on Macs than OSX does.
>>55510744
how is it possible to say its underpowered when its actually near the top of the "reality" list?
>>55510728
wait, we now meme about pajeets liking macbooks? I thought they were windows shills and scammers
>>55510763
Steve Jobs started the Indian trend in California, have you been living under a rock?
>>55510756
>mountain lion
This is going to be a surprise, but we're not in 2012 anymore ....
>synthetic benchmarks
I know that's what you do all day long on this board, but it means nothing if the OS is shit for every daily tasks.
I use bootcamp daily and I can tell you, windows on a mac works relatively well, but it eats battery life 2 to 3 time faster and it runs way hotter (my cpu is around 40 degrees on OS X and around 65 on windows)
>>55510737
>In the end if you compare it to the dell xps 15 they have the same battery life and the same normalized battery lif
is there something special about the new one? on the graph the xps15 rates higher than macbook under normalized category.
if you're saying it consumes less, how can you say this when you just said they are the same?
>>55510741
See >>55510737
>>55510744
>>55510728
>>55510795
Trump tier argumentation. Nice to see this board is still plagued by kids.
>>55510878
This. Can't fucking wait for summer to end.
>>55510861
>if you're saying it consumes less, how can you say this when you just said they are the same?
They are the same in term of battery capacity and near the same in battery life.
But as I said MacBooks have outdated CPU and GPU (which consumes more) compared to most recent 15" laptops.
The last time MacBooks had an upgrade was more than 12 months ago.
>all "premium" laptops have shit chiclet keyboards and single piece track pads
too bad I can't retrofit my old laptop with a 4k screen
>>55506776
WHY DID I NEVER THINK OF THIS. MY EYES ARE OPENED.
>>55506776
>macshit is so abysmally crippled and poorly cooled they have to completely remove the GPU to make it not catch fire
ayylmao
>>55511044
Precision M4800.
>>55510701
Who the fuck cares? If I say Linux, you, along with just about anyone here, knows what I'm talking about.
>>55511088
Can't wait for summer to end
>>55511181
Same. Don't worry, we only have to wait another 2 months.
>>55511208
>posts the same shit meme twice with different text
It's like using Windows gives you down syndrome or something, thank fuck I never fell into that trap.
>>55511290
>he fell for the apple meme
>>55511169
>being this new
Fucking retard
>>55511570
>being this autistic
Fucking NEET, get a job you cuck
>>55512076
>being this memey
>>55507011
latest macbooks are giga-expensive in europe, some general electronics stores sell 1-2 year old models for 20-30% less though
At this point i suspect Apple are skipping Skylake and going for Kaby, what'd you think?
>>55506640
I like to call em Achilles heel computers. Of course, you can always just build your own.
>>55512416
No one gives a shit Raj.
>>55508125
no but the quadcore 6700hq is
>>55512416
No. They'll release the Skylake refresh towards the end of September. They wait so that students purchase the old ones to get rid of excess stock. They've done this plenty of times before.
>>55507011
16:10 > 16:9
Sadly this makes everything else on the Dell look like a PoS.
>>55508129
Are intel HD 520 graphics good enough for light gaymen
>>55511169
How the hell do you not get it
>>55506688
>he thinks devs use windows
>>55506640
Normie allowed to use computer
It all started with the iPhone really
>>55509352
I guess it would be better to have a 1080p monitor and external HDD for games.
Doesnt it look like shit? At least I notice when running a game at a lower resolution (which I never have to do, but I have tried) it looks like ass.
>>55515484
At my work devs use windows. Some of them have linux based machines at home though. Anything they need linux for they use a VM.
>>55515484
>he thinks professionals use GNU's Not Unix's Not Unix/Linux
They don't, honey
>>55511169
I'd just like to interject for a second moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use.
Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
