Will HPE (formerly HP) ever open-source HP-UX?
>>55481716
>ever open-source HP-UX?
no
a mature 'open source' OS already dominates the market
they're a few decades late
>>55481716
Is HP UX the only commercial Unix OS on the market today?
>>55483844
there is OSX, AIX, and Solaris to name a popular few
How does one aquire an old unix workstation for cheap?
>>55483934
Ebay. You're better off getting a Raspberry Pi though. The power draw and shipping costs isn't worth it though for these old beasts. May they rest in peace.
>>55483962
I already have a first gen rpi, but there's not much useful that it can actually do
The only interesting thing is RISC OS, but it doesn't seem to run old programs made for it
>>55483962
Do you keep a check on your electricity bill and meter looking to see what activities of yours use more electricity? Freak out when people walk out of a room and leave lights and tv on?
>>55481716
Not likely to happen ever, there's too many legal issues and they have nothing to gain from doing so, HP-sUX users who want to run an operating system that behaves like GNU/Linux will just run GNU/Linux, most Unix communities generally have very little love for Linux and the kind of developer it attracts.
>>55483962
Not really, Raspberry Pis are boring, weak, ugly as sin, and can't run a real SysV anyway. I'm okay with $10 extra a month for the privilege of owning a pretty fascinating (and very expensive) piece of kit like a C8000 that will blow them the fuck out anyway.
>>55483988
go to bed kid, adults the have to pay bills are talking.
>>55488535
epic, simply epic.
>>55485821
>most Unix communities generally have very little love for Linux and the kind of developer it attracts.
But why?
>>55489255
They see Linux as an inferior clone and open source software as low quality replacement of "enterprise software"
What happens in reality is that the sysadmin installs centOS onto the server and calls it "the UNIX system"
>>55485821
Those use the old itanium chips don't they?
>>55490941
No, those are final machines to use PA-RISC.
>>55488535
I pay my wow sub,
>>55489338
>What happens in reality is that the sysadmin installs centOS onto the server and calls it "the UNIX system"
You'd surprised how many things still run on high availability UNIX servers
>>55491020
>PA-RISC
>ever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLTh4uVJduI
>>55489255
From my own perspective, there is the entire "community" aspect of the GNU side, lots of inexperienced developers, bullshit politics, potential fragmentation that comes with the "don't like my garbage? fork it you piece of shit!" attitude.
Diehards also criticize the free software realm as bloated and inelegant, which I'm inclined to agree with, at the very least outside of the x86 and ARM realms.
>>55490941
The C8000 was the last and fastest PA-RISC workstation running dual-core PA-8800/8900s, there was an Itanium system in the same case but they're exceedingly rare, workstations were pretty much over when HP decided to stick Itaniums into them.
>>55492676
The nigger doesn't lie though.
700s were the shit
>>55492676
Is this a cringe thread?
>>55494795
>found the underage
>>55494189
re: itanium
Do systems based on that architecture still have use? I have a dual dual itanium system kicking around, haven't managed to put an OS on it to play around with it yet.
>>55495328
Certainly, the Itanium may not have lived up to the hype but that doesn't mean it was destitute, they were quite fine as long as you weren't trying to kludge x86 code through them. I recall their floating point performance in particular was excellent, and the hardware built around them tended to be pretty nice, since the Itanium's niche was in ultra-expensive, ultra-reliable systems. Cool engineering overall.
If you've got HP hardware, you're golden, there's HP-UX of course, which will have the best compilers and general software availability, as well as Windows Server 2k8, SLES and Gentoo if you feel more comfortable with a GNU/Linux environment, and OpenVMS, which other than being a pretty cool platform if you want to explore something a little "different", can still be freely acquired through hobbyist licensing programs if I remember correctly.
Your mileage may vary if you have something from another vendor though, I have a quad-socket IBM system myself, the various proprietary enhancements combined with the general rarity of the hardware means fuck all will run on them but Windows or deprecated Red Hat derivatives.
>>55488535
>is so financially unstable as to be extremely concerned about a $1-$5 overhead on their power bill
>"go to bed kid"
gets me every time
>>55484011
>Do you keep a check on your electricity bill and meter looking to see what activities of yours use more electricity?
Not that guy but whenever I'm using any appliance or computer my mind calculates the electricity usage automatically. If you don't know how much electricity your stuff consumes you're a retard and should neck yourself.
>>55497609
Sure thing bud
>>55496349
>OpenVMS
>HP
More like DEC
Fuck hp. Also sucking dell cock.
>>55497637
OpenVMS has been an HP product running on Itanium (and Alpha) systems since the Compaq merger, they just released a new version in May.
>>55497650
There's more to HP than the post-1997 Pavilion lineup.
>>55498009
I don't care, it'll always be a DEC product in my heart.
OpenVMS is fucking bulletproof, those machines just keep on chugging.
I remember an anon posted a screenshot of an Alpha cluster he managed with 10 years of up time.
>>55498085
I feel the same way, don't get me wrong.
>I remember an anon posted a screenshot of an Alpha cluster he managed with 10 years of up time.
Damn, when was that? I feel inadequate just thinking about it.
I've heard a lot of good things about VMS in general, some day I'll find some hardware to play with it on.
>>55498115
>Damn, when was that? I feel inadequate just thinking about it.
Fucking ages ago, I'm trying to find it in the archive.
>>55498115
HOLY SHIT
I FINALLY FUCKING FOUND IT
https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/g/thread/S35036519#p35039102
>"this machine and its cluster operate cheque clearing services for a large bank"
>this was nearly 3 years ago
>>55498385
That's some shit, not even that long ago either. It's always pretty cool to see hardware like that out in the wild.
Now I really want to go find myself a cheap VMS system (if only), my little shitbox SPARC web server is getting long in the teeth anyway.
>>55498559
>was going to suggest checking out the deathrow public vms cluster if you want to play with vms
>turns out the project shut down
Feels bad.
>>55498591
The Living Computer Museum has a big iron VAX running 7.3 with public shell access, haven't applied for it yet though. There's also that German guy (http://vaxman.de/) who runs a 7K in his basement, I got a shell account for that but forgot the login information, was kind of awkward to email the guy too since I tend to be a little overly casual with stuff like this.
I've seen a bunch of cheap MicroVAX 3100s on Ebay recently (like $99+$20 shipping) but I don't know if those would be supremely useful since I don't have many DEC community connections to get a hold of software to run on them.
>>55498385
is it just me or is that thread a little less...retarded than you would expect today? I never thought /g/ went into the shitter that recently.
>>55498708
Fuck yeah, LCM!
Glad I'm not the only one on /g/ reminding people about them.
For any anon wondering, login request/online systems are found here:
http://www.livingcomputermuseum.org/Online-Systems/Request-a-Login.aspx
>>55498831
How are the LCM systems anyway? Any fun stuff? Are there development tools available to shell users?
I know I could just go request a login and find out for myself but I'm trying to purify my email account portfolio at the moment.
>>55489338
>mfw we have a server at work running Windows 2008 named "mainframe" because that's how the CEO sees it
>>55496349
Getting your hands on HP-UX for Itanium is slightly more difficult than getting your hands on Windows 8 tho
>>55498879
I only have remote on the PDP, but it has a compiler. Provided you're scripting in og Bourne Shell or writing C, you should be good.
>>55498085
Yeah but you know what killed that? The security landscape. It would be totally plausible to leave a Linux box running for a few years without a reboot.
That lack of kernel updates though..
I used to work with a guy that did a lot of HP-UX. His routine was:
>Obtain access to server
>Install gcc
>Install the same applications Linux users ran
Never saw the point.
>>55498941
There's a torrent for 11i v3 floating around, haven't tested it out though since I don't have any HP hardware to run it on. Most newer HP boxen you find on the Ebay usually ship with it pre-installed too.
>>55498972
OpenVMS is still maintained, though, what exactly do you mean? I've never heard a lot of bad things about it from a security perspective.
>>55499028
Different system management models and bundled utilities, better hardware support, potentially better general support, better compilers on non-x86 platforms. The applications you run on a system are certainly significant, but there's more to it than just that.
>>55499073
>OpenVMS is still maintained, though, what exactly do you mean?
I'm just talking about why modern systems never gain the sort of massive uptimes that people talk about. It's not because they aren't stable.
>>55499104
Oh, yeah, I'm retarded.
>>55497609
I asked the question I didn't ask it in a mean way it was serious, because I do that, I freak out at how people use electric without thinking and I thought it was interesting someone mentioning the same thing about electricity use.
I agree that one should be aware of how much electricity things use, but most people don't I was actually thinking it could be a sign of autism, took a test, they say I'm not. But lights really bother me, its like they flood my senses and keep me from thinking i usually use the laptop with one light in the room or no lights on at all.
>>55483934
ebay, hobbyist communities like Nekochan, local recyclers and charities that get donations from large businesses and universities, friends in large businesses and universities are the best sources
>>55496349
Itanium a shit
>>55499333
http://www.anandtech.com/show/1854
Kind of an interesting read, those SPEC scores on page 4 aren't too disappointing either.
>>55492676
neat
would order 5000 units/10
>>55499028
>GCC on a commercial SysV
absolutely disgusting
>>55499028
You don't use Linux for its programs, you use it because it's the best choice for reason X or Y or because you want to. It's no different here.
a shameless bump for an interesting thread
>>55496349
It's an HP RX6600 if i recall correctly. How do i go about finding an image for HP-UX?
>>55498972
I imagine these mission critical systems have a way of patching without requiring a reboot, it's a must have feature if your box has to be up 24/7/365
They wouldn't take chance of getting caught stealing from the FSF so it will remain closed-source.
>>55483962
R Pi is good for fun. HP UX and VMS machines are completely different beasts, these are for reliability when downtime is not acceptable. We had one HP UX server at work and I cannot remember it ever went down. I'll get it up and running to use it as a mail server.
>>55503886
>itanium
throw it in le trash
>>55503886
https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/8650847/HP-UX_11i_v3_DVDs
This should be the same one I'm seeding.
That's pretty damn big for a dual socket, or is it a quad with only two chips in it?
>>55504045
Why would a commercial SysV vendor steal from GNU clones of software they already implemented almost three decades ago, especially when BSD exists and does them better anyway?
You give the FSF too much credit, HP-UX faces licensing troubles of the proprietary variety more than anything, I can't imagine it's much different from IRIX, littered with all kinds of licensed code from other parties that would force them to release an incomplete, non-functional product or spend years negotiating with lawyers for no reasonable gain.
>>55481716
maybe and only if they're abandoning it. if it has a faint hope of surviving it needs to get off IA-64 and onto x86-64.
>>55509932
Itanium's not dying as long as HP wants it alive, HP-UX will likely eventually transition to x64 if the platform can bring anything to the table, though. They've already swapped the Superdome over to Xeons.
>>55510086
Are Superdomes any good?
>>55489255
>>55489338
>>55498972
>>55499028
>>55501530
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use.
Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
>>55510356
Couldn't really tell you since I've never really looked into them. Can't imagine they would be all that bad for a role where performance and uptime are both important.
I wouldn't mind heating my garage with one of the bitchin' 32-way PA-8800/8900 systems, though.
>>55510839
Absolutely hilarious, how's your first week on /g/ been, buddy?
>>55510893
>Absolutely hilarious, how's your first week on /g/ been, buddy?
it's been nice I just learned how to sage :P
>>55510356
>>55510893
Doing a little more reading though, the late-era Itanic Superdomes sound just plain lame, Intel gives so few shits about Itanium development that the Xeon range has more or less caught up when it comes to RAS features, and the current range of Itanium chips are so damn old that they're not competitive at all on a raw performance front, pretty much the only advantages the platform seems to have nowadays is HP-UX and VMS themselves. According to this article http://www.enterprisetech.com/2014/12/02/hps-itanium-odyssey-ends-superdome-x-xeon-iron/ HP-UX probably isn't making it to x64 any time soon, either.
>>55510839
No, I meant Linux.
>>55510893
>heating my garage with one
>only one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usteZMJgDx4
Step it up.
>>55511076
HP let go of VMS and is getting ported to amd64 http://www.vmssoftware.com/updates.html
>>55511354
>As of mid 2014, Hewlett Packard (successor to DEC) licensed the development of OpenVMS exclusively to VMS Software Inc. (VSI)[23][24] VMS Software will be responsible for developing OpenVMS, supporting existing hardware and providing roadmap to clients.[23][24] The company has a team of veteran developers that originally developed the software during DEC's ownership.[25]
Oh, cool, they actually did.
>>55511179
That guy's got so much good shit I can't even meme arrow it. You could open a pretty damn good museum with all that kit.
>>55498744
I was on /g/ three years ago and it's still retarded. We have a lot of /v/ immigrant scum, but there's plenty of people here who post here as a lighthearted way to get away from their job and actual achievements/responsibilities.
>>55494864
>underage
Hardly. I was goofing on the silly black dude and his "Don't Copy That Floppy"-esque performance.
>>55512342
I was pretty on-off with /g/ until relatively recently, I hardly remember it except it definitely feels like there weren't quite as many /v/ and smartphone threads hogging the catalog (though they were obviously still around)
>>55512470
Sure, kid.
>>55492676
The UNIX wars were exciting times.
>>55514930
Indeed they were
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yas19evqcT8
>>55511179
Those O2K racks get my dick crystalline.
>>55518650
I remember him saying that the racks were dead though, he wanted to do a demo video but they wouldn't power on any more.
