>still considering AMD
Why would you? the GTX 1060 now BTFO the 480. Zen is going to be a failure as well.
1 Rupee has been deposited into your account Pajeet
why does Nvidia have the most agressive shitposters all throughout the web?
Is it paid shilling? Post and pre purchase rationalization?
Why didn't AMD make any high end cards this year?
>>55460590
Did you miss the constant threads saying the 480 was faster than the $600 nvidia card?
of course the 1060 BTFOs the 480, the 480 is old as fucking dirt.
>>55460590
They all owned AMD at one point so they hate them as a company as a direct result.
>>55460590
AMD user here, kek amd is ded dude only few weeks before 1060 out.
>>55460592
Because only poorfags buy AMDshit anyway.
If you have that much money for a GPU might as well get a Nvidia.
>>55460590
AMD shitposters are just as aggressive.
>>55460592
Exactly, idiots on both sides. There is always some misinformed idiots shitposting about GPUs.
>>55460623
>>55460623
>>55460615
No didn't miss them, it was false flag Nvidiots trying to overhype the 480 with "1070 is dead!!!"
The actual FACT is that the 480 was going to nestle between the 970/980, and it has done that task.
>Check this benchmark of a 970 EXOC!!
Enough said
>Check Metro LL Redux Benchmark
A game so shit that the Nvidia users said it had issues
>No DX12 for years
More are coming soon
>1060
Cripple card 2.0, $300 for 3gb and no SLi
>PCI housefires
Fixed and AiB
>6 pin
8 Pin coming
>1080 is better for future!!
That why you shills won't discuss no VR on Display port?
>DELETE THIS
No
>>55460590
Falseflaggers.
>>55460708
>That why you shills won't discuss no VR on Display port?
THAT'S ONLY WITH THE HTC VIVE, EVERYONE KNOWS OCULUS RIFT IS WHAT MATTERS
DELETE THIS
>>55460452
in 3 months
470 > all lower nvidia chips
480 > 1060
490 = 1070 (if released in same timeframe)
in 6 months
Fury2 > 1080
1080Ti > everything else
It's exactly how the 900 series went all over again except with less rebrands.
>>55460452
G U A R A N T E E D
>>55460827
480 > 1070
Wew laddie! This is what MAD POORS actually believe!
>>55461214
he said 490 v 1070 u blind cunt.
>>55460827
J-just wait 2 years for the drivers to not suck. Its not like the card will be outdated by then ot anything. I want to play dx11 games now, amd has 50% to 100% more driver overhead in dx11 in two years if they have not given up on it they might get it down to 25%. What value! Just keep telling yourselves the numbers on the spec sheet are all that matters.
>>55461214
>being this insecure
I'm buying the 480 as soon as someone releases one with a really powerfull custom cooler. It'll work great for my needs. Rendering animations, Overwatch, and Arma 3 (currently have a i5 4690k @4.6ghz so I should be fine).
>>55460452
5 CashPoints as been deposited into your Nvidia Funds™ account. Good job Rakesh!
>>55460452
Nvidia user here, but I don't want to get gimped 192 bit vram. I'd rather stick with my 256 bit on my 970. It may only have 3.5gb but at least it can use all of it.
>>55460452
480 is cheaper, has wider bus, moar ram and better performance of the 1060 needs to be proven by third party benchmarks. Anyway I have a 1080p screen and 5fps more or less doesn't matter that much so whichever aftermarket well ocing model is going to be cheaper will be it.
>>55460452
Do you enjoy paying nvidia tax? I see
>>55460452
Are there good oss drivers for AMD in Linux yet? And by good, I'll even accept just matching the performance of the on-chip GPU that comes with a celleron.
where are the fucking benchmarks
>1060 costs 400 dollars
>lol it beat the 480 a 200 dollar card! AMD BTFO
>>55460708
>false flag
Sure thing bro, and this is all false flag AMDumbs shitting up the board to hype up the 1060 falsely.
>>55466595
$250 bro.
>$200 card
You can't buy one right now for less than $300
>>55466595
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/07/nvidia-gtx-1060-specs-price-release-date/
>Nvidia unveils the GTX 1060: Faster than a GTX 980 for $250
Please leave pajeet
>>55466640
it's not my fault you didn't get them when stocks were up.
>>55466654
so when amd shills that the 480 was better than the 980 it's all bullshit but when nvidikids do it it has to be legit.
I did some math and i dont know where the zen ipc = broadwell meme started.
at 3.7ghz its going to have roughly the same floating point performance as haswell @ 3.2ghz
basing this off amd's claim of 40% ipc over excavator and using the 860k as a reference point.
this puts it slower than ivy bridge and on par with sandy bridge
pretty disappointing if true.
>>55467449
>Disappointing
Unless you're a MUH FPS maniac you don't need the latest CPU anyway. Wasn't the difference between each Intel gen like 5%?
>>55466216
14th.
>>55468404
>Wasn't the difference between each Intel gen like 5%?
Sometimes not even that. The i5-6600 and i5-4690 perform exactly the same. The only difference is a ~20-25% reduction in TDP.
no benchmarks yet.
People said the 480 would blow the fuck out the competition too.
Why would you have faith in nvidia?
Real world performance is all that matters.
You gotta be a real dumbass to go with AMD these days
>>55468470
Nvidia actually follows through, unlike AMD
>>55468479
>>55468488
>970gate
Even then Nvidia really riding the throne too hard, considering 1070/80 sell prices. Also the only people really turned off by the 480 are the fools that thought it would beat a 980ti, a near 400-500 card.
>>55468506
The 480 is riddled with issues, I feel bad for anyone that bought one.
>>55468528
>Not PCI compliant
Literally just fixed in a patch
That was the only issue with the card
>>55468479
>>55468488
>tfw you get 8gb instead of 4gb
>>55468625
It wasn't even fixed, check the tests, it STILL goes over the power limit.
>>55460708
>dx12
you do realize that the only dx12 point in favor of AMD is async compute right?
Of course a 1060 is faster than a GTX 480. Are you retarded?
>>55460615
with new drivers it is 980 level
>>55460452
I honestly could buy the 1080 or 1070. I love VR. Simultaneous Multiprojection is great for my Vive. But I like having cheap Freesync monitors. Is the Pascal GPUs worth the 200 extra bucks to get GSYNC over Freesync? I don't know. There is a hidden cost to NVIDIA GPUs. This is one of them.
>>55469149
>There is a hidden cost to NVIDIA GPUs
besides the fact they are overpriced to being with? woah
>>55468479
Yes, I agree completely friend. It's like they don't want to play it the way it's meant to be played™ or something haha. I just the got the Geforce® 1080 FE and put it in my sweet case. Do you like it?
With features like ShadowPlay, found only in NVIDIA GeForce Experience™, I can easily record my awesome gameplay footage and upload it straight to Youtube!
>>55469234
Obligatory
>>55469127
Not even close. The 1060 is actually 980 level, while the 480 continues to lag behind.
>>55460452
>120W
>no 6 pin
nvidiots' mobo on suicide watch.
Hey there, I'm not biased at all (I own a graphics card) but I'd advise you to always buy Nvidia™, because Nvidia™ runs faster, cooler, and gives more frames and GHz when overclocked. Nvidia™ let's me play games The Way it's Meant to be Played™, and with Nvidia's innovative GameWorks™ development framework powering over 90% of up and coming titles this year, you'd be a fool to even consider a card from an inferior company. I could talk to you about drivers (AMD has none, not one driver) but you're probably already sold by now. Buy any Nvidia™ card at any price point and you will NOT be disappointed!
>>55461214
lrn2read pls
>>55469445
>>no 6 pin
>gtx 1060 btfo 480
>$100 more for similar performance
>only compatible with gsync that costs another extra $300
uhh what?
>>55469592
How the fuck did they put the 6 pin there, the PCB ends way before
>>55469630
>>$100 more for similar performance
Source? The difference in MSRP is only $10-20 between the 480 8gb (if they ever make a 4gb) and 1060 6gb.
Currently 3 RX480 hate thread. AMD did a good job. Also I never seen this much GPU threads in total. Raj got'em salty!
>>55469647
Couldn't tell you until we see nudies. I'd guess based upon the images there's an extension.
>>55460827
More like
470>anything below 1050
480>1060
490>1070
490XT=1080
Fury 2.0>1080
Fury 2.0XT>1080Ti/Titanic
>>55469649
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8TMROV_Dog
Goto 2:50 on the video.
1060 Founders Edition $299
>>55469690
>Founders Edition
Well there's your problem.
>>55469695
>Founders Edition
That will be the only one available on release day for $300 or less. The $250 MSRP is bullshit that's marketed to make people think the card is cheaper than it is.
>>55469481
I will always buy Nvidia™ because I only play games The Way It's Meant to be Played™. Nvidia also pioneers innovative new technologies like PhysX™, Gameworks™ and the highest quality driver to ever grace Windows. When I boot up with a brand new Nvidia Geforce™, I can experience the game just like it's meant to be played. Nvidia™ also delivers a far more silkysmooth experience. Nvidia Geforce™ is also very power efficient. A graphic card is the most power hungry device in your house. Refrigerators, air conditioners, water heaters, dish washers, lights, etc all use significantly less power than a graphic card. Which is why Nvidia™ puts gamers first by ensuring that their gaming experience is of the highest quality while looking out for gamers by giving them the most value in their electrical bill. At this point in time, there's really no reason to consider an AMD graphic card at all. I tried one one time, it caused so much heat that it exploded. It also consumed so much power that it gave off an EMP and destroyed the rest of my computer. Nvidia™ also pioneered how useless GPGPU is with CUDA™. Years ago, everyone thought GPGPU, CUDA™, and OpenCL were the future. Now, Nvidia™ has removed those useless features from their GPUs and increased efficiency. Now you can save thousands a year in electricity thanks to Nvidia™ ensuring that useless features like GPGPU are "optimized" for gamers. It's quite clear that OP's an AMD shill trying to convince you to settle on something less than The Way It's Mean to be Played™. Nvidia™ is the only real way to play games. We have seen recently that they offer incredible libraries for software developers like Nvidia Gameworks. He is probably too poor to afford the Nvidia Geforce Experience and can not afford to play any games The Way It's Meant To be Played™. Don't be a poor gamer with bad drivers and a huge power bill. Play games with the Geforce Experience: The Way It's Meant To Be Played™
>>55469719
>The $250 MSRP is bullshit
Which is why we are currently seeing 1080 selling for less than the FE version is priced at? It seems like your cherry-picking is not based upon ignorance of the facts but by intentional choice.
As it is clear to me that you are being a disingenuous little shit spreading FUD I see no point in responding any further but to say:
Stop spreading your FUD.
>>55469730
>Which is why we are currently seeing 1080 selling for less than the FE version
Try again
>>55460452
>Why would you?
Because nVidia heats as fucking hell in every environment I used.
Based AMD stays cool,and works fine. I can do anything even with a old HD6800. Even gaming,even 3D rendering,BASICALLY ANYTHING I WANT,without having to worry of a fucking housefire like nVidia cards are.
>>55469774
Stop spreading your FUD.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100007709%20601201888&Tpk=GTX%201080&ignorear=1
>>55469781
Did you stop using Nvidia when Fermi was released? Have you looked at the reviews for the 480 compared to even the 1080 let alone the 1070?
>>55469418
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/radeon-rx-480-performance-benchmarks-with-16-7-1-driver.html
>>55469774
>Well there's your problem.
Stop spreading your FUD.
http://www.evga.com/Products/ProductList.aspx?type=0&family=GeForce+10+Series+Family&chipset=GTX+1080
>>55469695
yeah, because it worked out so well with 1070 and 1080 and you can buy aibs for just tiny bit over msrp like they promised
in reality they cost more than foundners edition for 1070
>>55469725
>>55469481
nvidiot shillers detected.
I hope to god your cards burn down because of the heat they produce.
>nvidiots will defend this - I had to get a 8500GT temporarily since my GT210 (which heats as fuck,FUCK YOU NVIDIA) died,and I actually regret getting the 8500GT and the GT210 altogether. Both heat up as fuck,both suck at even running OMSI 2 (bus simulator,goddamit!). Tried some X1650 card I found cheap,and OMSI 2 actually ran okay and was pretty cool to touch,unlike boiling hot.
NOW,EAT SHIT,NVIDIOTS.
>>55469803
I stopped using it way after I tried their G84/86 and the GT218 chips. Holy fuck NO. Don't get me wrong,but even a Radeon 9600 and a HD3450 ran way cooler than those did. I might hunt down a HD6800,and use that. I'll need a new PSU tho,the one I have is pretty weak. (350W CWT-built PSU)
>>55469842
Have you checked the pricing on the 1080 on EVGA's website?
>>55469854
>I stopped using it way after I tried their G84/86 and the GT218 chips. Holy fuck NO. Don't get me wrong,but even a Radeon 9600 and a HD3450 ran way cooler than those did.
You just *might* want to update your information. AMD has been the one to run hot since the 7000 series.
>>55460784
man i wonder if they had any exclusivity deal (if that is the case) before oculus got btfo and was forced to open the hmd for everyone lol
>>55460452
Because unironically they have better drivers on Linux.
>>55469871
yup. AMD lose the perf/watt crown when they abandoned their good architecture for a shitty clone of NVIDIA's tesla architecture in an effort to compete in the GPGPU space.
AMD really should have considered continuing terascale for the gamer market. They had chips that could compete with nvidia performance wise in half the space.
>>55469871
>7000 series
Did you notice I said I'll hunt down a HD6800? That's before 7000 series,logically.
And yes,I have used a AMD-based PC with that card and it ran pretty cool. Phenom X4 960T w/ HD6800 from Sapphire. Ran pretty cool and at least the only games I tested ran pretty good. (Need For Speed Hot Pursuit and Oddworld's New'n Tasty)
I'll actually say this: HD6800 seems to work just fine in 2016. I don't see any reason to upgrade any more. If it runs okay,has DX11 support and doesn't heat up as fucking hell,then it's good to use. PCSX2 also ran fine,and from my memory PCSX2 requires some batshit insane hardware to run decently.
>>55469944
>Did you notice I said I'll hunt down a HD6800? That's before 7000 series,logically.
No shit? I wonder if that might be part of the reason why I suggested:
>You just *might* want to update your information.
Your knowledge about graphics technology and GPUs is limited to before 2010. There's been a couple of architecture and new nodes since then.
>>55460592
because look the prices of nvidia cards...
they gonna have a hard time trying to justify any TI variant being above the price of any FE edition
besides amd was targeting the larger market that is 300 bucks and below opening 3 productions lines at the same time on a new node would have been suicidal and obviously amd couldnt afford to have the same problem nvidia currently has being out of stock for weeks https://www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/nvidia/gtx1080/
(the production was the only reason as to why amd made a deal again with glofo despite their previous disastrous deal...because being on tsmc with apple quallcomm and nvidia and apple being paying a lot to get the premium production would have been catastrophic)
>>55469792
They're all out of stock/back order. That hardly counts.
>>55469871
[arhue@localhost ~]$ sensors
radeon-pci-0100
Adapter: PCI adapter
temp1: +54.0°C (crit = +120.0°C, hyst = +90.0°C)
Room temp 26c on a R9 280, was gaming some time back. Not him but I've had 2 Nvidia GPUs in the past. GTX 650 and 9500 GT. The former burnt down (twice!) on Linux, while latter burnt down on Windows.
>>55469944
Good for you anon. I've had two 6870s in the past. Sold one, still running the other.
>>55461214
the difference on dx12 between 480 and 1070 is just 8-11% depending the game...
and that is before the yesterday driver update lol
dont be suprised in 1-2 months if 480 actually be on par with it
>>55469821
Nothing I can buy
>>55469963
>They're all out of stock/back order. That hardly counts.
Stop spreading your FUD. Go check out the EVGA link. Even the manufacturer is providing the same price. And sadly the same availability.
>>55469957
>Your knowledge about graphics technology and GPUs is limited to before 2010. There's been a couple of architecture and new nodes since then.
Doesn't matter. About every system I had or used with nVidia ran burning hot.
>>55469974
You have bad timing.
>>55469982
Let me see if I understand your stance correctly. You honestly and genuinely believe technology stays static and doesn't change in SIX YEARS?!?
>>55460452
still rocking 390
>>55469979
It doesn't help when you have to wait weeks just to buy something that shouldn't have been paper launched at a higher than normal price.
>>55470001
>thinking nvidia cares for their customers
>>55470001
>that shouldn't have been paper launched at a higher than normal price.
>paper launched
Might I suggest you not toss around terms you clearly do not understand?
At least you prove that you are an amateur rather than a paid AMD shill in spreading FUD.
>>55469989
Wrong. What is my point is that nVidia cards ALWAYS ran burning hot,and to this day,when the 980Ti and even 1060 and 1080 exist,they STILL run burning hot.
>>55470031
>What is my point is that nVidia cards ALWAYS ran burning ho
And you are judging today's GPUs based upon some GPUs from at least six years ago? In other words, that technology does not advance in SIX YEARS?!?
>>55469592
Welp, getting one of those and wc it would be a fun time indeed.
>>55460590
>why does Nvidia have the most agressive shitposters all throughout the web?
They need to justify overpaying for their cards.
>not waiting for 490
shitty instagram emoji here
>>55470041
>six years ago
>980ti
did you actually said this?
>>55466654
So that means it's cost 350$
>>55460452
>BTFO
If you mean 'barely beats the 1266mhz reference card that costs $199 while costing "$250"', sure.
Non-reference 8gb cards are launching at the same time for ACTUAL $250, running 1400mhz. Meaning they'll have the same performance as the $300 6gb 1060s.
>>55470041
God,you're fucking dense.
nVidia's chips were DESIGNED to run burning hot. This DOES NOT MEAN it runs on the same technology that was used 6 years ago.
Holy shit,you're dense as fuck.
>>55470072
That's not a point in their favor you stupid fuck, that's nvidia purposefully allowing significant wear on their products so you need to buy a new one sooner.
If it runs at 85c out of the box, 12 months later when the thermal paste is shit and there's some dust in the heatsink it'll be thermal throttling, at which point the nvidiot buys a new card and WOW! All this new performance
>>55470065
are you actually saying that a 1400 mhz 480 will compete with 1060?
hell with yesterdays boost on perf 480 is right behind a nano................
>>55470095
Even nvidia admit in their own graph that the 1060 is, at best, 20% quicker than the slower 4gb 480.
An 8gb at 1400mhz will match the 6gb 1060 in DX11 games and destroy it in DX12, and because nvidia don't know how to launch outside of paper, their '$250' retail price won't be a thing until fucking 2017.
>>55470060
Where did you list a 980ti? The most recent gpu you listed in >>55469944 and >>55469854 was the HD 6800 which was released in 2010.
Are you now claiming that you are judging all Nvidia products as running hotter than AMD based upon your experience as an owner from the last generation? I have to call shenanigans.
>>55470072
>nVidia's chips were DESIGNED to run burning hot.
Designed SIX YEARS AGO? It isn't possible that Nvidia changed their focus and improved upon their performance-to-watt ratio, meaning cooler performance, or adopted more efficient cooling technology like heatpipes or vaporchambers? Don't answer those questions as they are completely rhetorical.
Am I to assume by your repeated refusal to answer the question that you concede the point?
>>55470065
>If you mean 'barely beats the 1266mhz reference card that costs $199
Has there been a review of the 4gb or "$199" card posted anywhere? Everything I've seen is for the $230 8gb version.
>>55470136
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGdhW_GF3dg
They actually perform identically.
>>55470136
There's a bunch.
It's basically 8gb minus 3-4% in most games, obviously those shit ones that use more than 4gb of VRAM despite not being 4K with AA have bigger losses.
>>55470124
you mean this graph?
yeah lol inside a week they went from ahead of 480 to ahead of 960...which 480 is almost 65% faster...
>>55470128
didnt saw those posts i saw this >>55470031
i assume his next one saying six years was for it
>>55470160
Nah, this load of bullshit
Dont hurt em Raj!
>>55470152
>similar performance under "playable conditions"
>You're paying more for extra memory you can't use. . .
It seems like he didn't use any games or tests that actually makes use of more than 4gbs.
>>55469862
have you checked how it works in real world? At best 5% of customers can order from evga, everyone else must use retailers.
>>55460452
>Zen is going to be a failure as well
What the hell are you on about? Everything suggests that Zen is meeting all expectations - 16 threads with good IPC should finally make AMD competitive at the high end again. It helps that they re-hired the most based of all chip designers to help them make it, too.
>>55470186
its always fun to see those graphs lol
man this shit smells so 2008 again 480 is the new 4850
>>55470200
Which games use more than 4gb in 1080p?
>>55468453
>The only difference is a ~20-25% reduction in TDP
Which is because, with AMD providing _no_ competition at the high end, Intel has been free to optimise only for mobile while they charge higher and higher prices for marginal gains in CPU compute performance.
>>55470177
>i assume his next one saying six years was for it
It seems he is making judgements for current tech based upon old tech.
>>55470204
>have you checked how it works in real world? At best 5% of customers can order from evga, everyone else must use retailers.
Thank you for supporting the point that the pricing has come down below launch day FE pricing.
>>55469992
Still rocking the 7950, on like a 35% overclock 24/7 too. Feels good (enough).
>>55470214
> in 1080p?
Am I to understand his testing was only in 1080 and did not include 1440 or 4k resolutions? He wasn't even using modern monitors?
>>55470213
The best part is, it's 15% quicker than the RX 480...
4gb, which is about 3% slower than the 8gb. On the old drivers, which are 3% slower than the ones AMD just put out and will be another 2-3% slower with their next drivers.
Which means the "$250" 1060s performance advantage in DX11 just became essentially nothing.
I look forward to retards who buy a $299 founders edition for $330 only to be beat by a reference $199 480 in DX12 games.
>>55470227
$876 here for Palit gamerock 1080
>>55470227
well pascal hasnt changed anything since maxwell 1.0 they only changed how the cores are distributed they have become like a gcn 1.0 but without any of the core capabilities of it
>>55470244
>$876 here for Palit gamerock 1080
On Amazon in stock now? Was the point about MSRP or about overpriced scalping due to limited availability?
>>55470208
He's an Shittel rentboy damage controlling before Zen hits.
>>55470240
>4K
>$199 graphics card
Yeah good work dickhead, because people with $600 monitors are totally the intended target.
>>55470240
The 480 is not a 4k card, it's not a over 60 fps 1440 card.
>>55470248
>well pascal hasnt changed anything since maxwell 1.0
Source?
Every review I've read indicates an increase in Perf/Watt of around 30-40%. Is that really your idea of "hasn't changed anything?
>>55469592
>stealing AMD's extended blower design
>>55470248
>pascal didn't exist in plan before early 2014
plenty of nvidia roadmaps support it, it's just a stopgap gpu
>>55470241
that graph didnt made sense at all since they released the one with the 960..
if they are saying its twice as fast as a 960 then its way behind a 480...it might be faster on certain games or on certain vrworks games or whatever the hell else uses nvidia black boxes
>>55470253
in a shop i buy from, in stock
it's one of the cheapest prices around
>>55470258
Reviewers shouldn't review using modern monitors? Should they also not compare them modern competitive products?
>>55470259
>The 480 is not a 4k card
No one claimed that it was. But is it unreasonable to expect a reviewer to test a card in modern resolutions?
>>55470265
that is just the node shrink it would be pretty stupid if the had a node shrink without any increase on p/w ratio lol
check this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc4RTyGbPv8
>>55470136
All of the 4GB cards for now are actually 8GB
https://www.techpowerup.com/223893/amd-4gb-radeon-rx-480-can-be-flashed-into-8gb
>>55469647
...
You are aware you can just use wires between the connector and the board, right?
>>55470277
From a brick and mortar store?
>>55470280
No cunt, because a 1080p75 freesync monitor is modern and in the price range you would expect of people buying a <$250 graphics card.
Who gives a single fuck about 1440p or 4K tests on a card not designed for it
>>55470268
no no actually if you see pascal back then was what volta suppose to be..every single thing they were saying pascal was gonna have its what volta suppose to have nowdays
then volta came and pascal became a stopgap
>>55470281
Can you provide a general point in the video? I'm not going to waste my time watching a 13 minute video when it could be a completely pointless goose chase.
>>55470294
>then volta came
what? volta is still set for 2017/18
>>55470295
its actually a pretty good indication of what you should expect from volta...
pascal is a maxwell with gcn 1.0 distribution to suit dx12 but without any of the amd core capabilities he goes into a lot of details about the chip structure
$379 1070 is actually $430+
$599 1080 is actually $760+
No one is seriously thinking that 1060 will be $249, right?
>>55470089
>If it runs at 85c out of the box, 12 months later when the thermal paste is shit and there's some dust in the heatsink it'll be thermal throttling, at which point the nvidiot buys a new card and WOW! All this new performance
Thus why I would use a HD6800.
>>55470128
Holy fuck,I can't believe how dense you can actually really be.
Stop insisting that they were designed like that 6 years ago. nVidia INTENTIONALLY designs the core to be burning hot to the touch,even to this day.
>>55470271
I don't know what their shit is, i just know by their claim of it matching the 980 we're talking about reference 480s on the old drivers being around 10% slower.
An overclocked one (1325ish) on the newest drivers would be almost within the margin of error of the 1060 in DX11, and i bet you right now it will not launch at $249us, in any way. Even if it did, the 8gb 480 will be buyable at $229us by then.
>>55470295
basically per clock improvement is shit
as demonstrated by highly overclocked 1080s everywhere
>>55470317
$274 minimum, calling it now
>>55470282
Yes, I know. That's why I raised the question. I don't think there has been a review of an actual 4gb card yet.
>>55470289
>Who gives a single fuck about 1440p or 4K tests on a card not designed for it
Just about every other reviewer out there?
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/amd-radeon-rx-480-review/1100-6441354/
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3089316/components-graphics/amd-radeon-rx-480-review-redefining-whats-possible-with-a-200-graphics-card.html?page=3
http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/zardon/amd-radeon-rx-480-8gb-review/8/
Just to provide the first three off a quick google search.
>>55460452
Lol iPhone still can't play webm
>>55470314
>its actually a pretty good indication of what you should expect from volta
What was the claim that was questioned?
>>55470318
>Stop insisting that they were designed like that 6 years ago
You fail at basic reading comprehension.
>>55470322
>basically per clock improvement is shit
I believe I provided a counter example of perf/watt not per clock. Still waiting for a source.
>>55470351
>perf/watt
how is this relevant to actual use? why is everyone brainwashed by nvidia and intel with their perf/watt is everything motto?
>>55470319
yes on the stupid graph they claim 980 level
on their site they claim x2 of 960 which 980 is almost 4 times better lol
shit marketing at its best
I just want to get a 1080 or the 490 without having to upgrade my damn cpu but I don't think I can get away with it. My 2600k is getting old.
>>55470359
because they see 120watts muh tdp and they think nvidia actually uses 120 watt...lol
>>55470359
>how is this relevant to actual use?
I don't see the relevance to your question except as a No Real Scottsman type fallacy. The claim raised was:
>pascal hasnt changed anything since maxwell 1.0
I'd say that improving the perf/watt is a change and a rather significant one at that. For one thing you don't have to pay for a higher capacity PSU/more existing systems will be able to slot it in without having to upgrade the PSU.
>>55470371
Yeah, it's more like 200w draw instead.
Shitposting aside, who cares about performance/watt? Either the card gives you the performance you need or it doesn't.
>>55470378
the p/w ratio comes as natural one because of the shrink node........
infact tsmc claims x2.0 from 28nm but if calculate nvidia is actually on x1.4 for whatever reason they didnt got everything from it
>>55470378
>Doesn't see the relevance to the question
>Gives a relevant answer anyways
That's some serious autism you got there
>>55470368
it really doesn't, have the same thing best you can get from skylake is 5-8% at 1440p and beyond
i'm starting to worry about motherboard though, it's impossible to find new one for this cpu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9EJNa0y524
>>55470395
p/w is what the noise was back on 2013
or what the temp was back in 2015...
just an excuse..
>>55470399
>the p/w ratio comes as natural one because of the shrink node
Thank you for your assistance in refuting the claim.
>>55470403
>autism
Ah the cry of the desperate on 4chan. When you cannot argue the facts accuse the poster of suffering from autism.
>>55470378
>ithout having to upgrade the PSU
you realize psu is the cheapest component you can get? specially in 650-750 range
>>55470427
>you realize psu is the cheapest component you can get?
Please tell me that you do not skimp on your PSU? That is the one component you do not want to try and save money on.
>>55460590
they have every right to shitpost as they have the most powerful cards out there. It looks like its going to stay that way with a 1080ti or titan on the horizon.
Can we now safely say that AMD ruined ATI?
Before the buyout Ati always had a competitive edge against Nvidia and could even go toe to toe against Nvidia's flagship cards. However, after the buyout AMD has slowly been killing the Radeon brand. Their cards now cannot compete with Nvidia's top of the line and even their budget cards are now in danger.
>>55470419
>Thank you for your assistance in refuting the claim.
let me translate it for you so you can undesrtand
everyone says, including actual fabs, p/w perf comes naturally with shrink you don't have to design specially for it, it's just marketing excuse for improvement when there is barely any
>>55470368
>hyperthreaded sandy bridge probably at 4.5ghz
Yeah, nah. Won't be a bottleneck until you're talking 1080 Ti.
>>55460590
I met someone online who was like this. I asked him and he said that AMD makes bad hardware. That's all he said with no follow up. I guess that's all it takes to convince someone.
>>55470437
80 bronze psus go for ~100 => cheapest component
>>55470427
>PSU
>Cheapest component
What the fuck is wrong with you?
>>55470409
>>55470453
Shit well that's nice to know. I guess my 2600k has a few more years life left in it.
>>55470451
>let me translate it for you so you can undesrtand
Let me see if I understand this correctly. You are replying to a post without regards to the content, or more pointedly, the TOPIC of the post? That you are trying to change the point being discussed from the idiotic claim to a different one and you expect anyone else to just go along with your unilateral and completely arbitrary attempt?
>>55470459
That's not his point.
The PSU isn't where you should be making cuts to fit budget.
>>55470459
Straw man or non sequitur? No one said that PSUs were expensive.
>>55470453
sure lol ask any site to do a dx12 async test while showing the cpu graph on something less than an i7 on the new pascal cards...
you can thank nvidia for having a 50% increase on the workload while the card is doing normal gaming stuff that will result on stuttering
>>55460452
>brand loyalty
>>55470442
No, they do not.
Reminder that the Radeon Pro Duo is still the single most powerful consumer graphics card ever made.
Yeah fuck amd. They're too incompetent to get their European pricing right for the 480 8gb which is fucking £229. The 1060 is confirmed to be faster and already has a price of £220.
>>55470459
80 bronze PSUs are fucking ching chong shit.
It's 2016, the only decent PSU at 80+ Gold and up.
>>55470492
let me tell you a secret, they all come from same two-three factories no matter the brand
>>55470490
what pricing has to do with amd own msrp?
whatever you see its the fixes vat imports shit like that things amd or nvidia doesnt control at all
>>55460452
I've been buying Nvidia for years but to be honest what happened with the 780ti still has me buttblasted. I'll be getting a new gfx card this year but now I'll actually look at the 490 instead of just grabbing a 1080ti. That driver bullshit really fucked me over.
>>55470447
I dont see how their budget cards are in danger,the 1060 is going to be a little better at launch than the 480,but then again looking at recent nvidia launches its probably going to be hitting the $300 mark at lauch and prices in europe are going to be even higher.Considering all of that and that the non reference 480s which reportedly are going to have 980 level performance are going to come out at about the same time as the 1060 I really dont see nvidia having much of a market share in the budget card price range.
>>55470490
Nobody gives a fuck about your pathetic regional pricing, if you're that worried about it import from the US.
>>55470502
Except their are more than 3 PSU OEMs and they make models with different quality components depending on the seller.
The only one who only uses good shit even when sold outside their own brand are seasonic, and IIRC the worst model they make these days are 80+ Silver
>>55470513
Had a gtx 670, jumped to a 390. fuck gimped drivers
>>55460452
>GTX 1060 now BTFO the 480
$300 vs $200
>>55470544
$300 vs $200
105% vs 100% in DX11
<90% vs 100% in DX12
>>55470544
Picking the most expensive MSRP version pf pme company's to compare to the other's cheapest MSRP and you expect anyone to take you seriously?
>>55470560
>most expensive
He picked the cheapest, retard.
Feel free to attempt to buy a 1070 or 1080 at anywhere NEAR retail.
>>55470563
>He picked the cheapest, retard.
The cheapest of the AMD 480s, specifically the 4gb version. Did he do the same for Nvidia's competitive gpu? What is the MSRP of the 1060 3gb non-FE version?
>>55470572
>What is the MSRP of the 1060 3gb non-FE version?
Irrelevant, is what it is.
What will they ACTUALLY sell for is what he posted, $300us.
1060 pretty close to amd furyX, overclock and it beat it easy. How much btfo can amd get
>>55470578
>Irrelevant, is what it is.
Pointing out a fraudulent comparison is not apples to apples, or cheapest MSRP to cheapest MSRP is "irrelevant?"
>>55470572
Leave them. You can see how salty they are about the 1060 coming in at competitive price point and literally btfoing the 480 a month after it came out. They know the 480 is doa after the masses will buy up the 1060 over the 480. Hell, nobody I know except the people who actively browse tech forums knows the 480 even exists. It has little to no marketing anywhere. I know like 20> people who are twitchfags and >muh youtube montage fags who are all getting the 1060 just because they think it's the only card in the midrange. I'm not joking.
>>55460452
dumb drekposter
>>55470610
>btfoing the 480 a month after it came out.
Not even a month. Eighteen days. Barely over half a month.
>>55470594
I'll tell you what dickhead, you sell me 5x GTX 1080s at $10 above retail so you're making $50 and i'll do it in a motherfucking instant.
Because i'll then turn around and make $500 by selling them at what they're actually selling for.
Nvidia have shown that MSRP doesn't mean a fucking thing to them, so why should we give a shit what they SAY it will cost?
AMD said the 480 would cost $199, and they took a fucking $30 hit on tens of thousands of units to make sure it happened.
>>55470628
>I'll tell you what dickhead, you sell me 5x GTX 1080s
I'll tell you what dickhead, why don't you stick to the facts so you don't have to throw a butthurt tantrum whenever anyone points out bullshit being posted on a public forum?
>>55470628
>mfw I am witnessing new levels of retardedness by looking at this one post
>>55460576
>nvidia
>Pajeet
wut
>>55470646
You mean the fact that nvidia have and are continuing to lie through their teeth about the cost of their GTX 1070 and GTX 1080 and that we subsequently have no reason to believe they're lying through their teeth about the cost of their GTX 1060?
Or the fact that they themselves state it's '15%' quicker in DX11 titles than a reference 480 on old drivers, meaning by the time it's launched in the real world it'll be 5% quicker in DX11 games and substantially slower in DX12?
Either of those facts fit your retarded little world view?
Sell me a fucking 1080 at MSRP, faggot. Go ahead.
I'll sell my car and buy a dozen.
>>55470677
>You mean the fact that nvidia have and are continuing to lie through their teeth about the cost of their GTX 1070 and GTX 1080
Do you even know what MSRP means? Manufacturer's SUGGESTED Retail Price?
You must be functioning under some delusional belief that Nvidia can dictate prices to the rest of the world. Perhaps you dialed back your brand loyalty you might be able to return to reality where the rest of us are.
You are the poster boy of fanboy stupidity. I'm done pointing out inconvenient facts to a toadying delusional fanboy.
>>55470677
Oh, and I should have noted it is okay to quote the AMD's 4gb MSRP when you use it but not point out Nvidia's MSRP?
Aren't we the special little snowflake who is a complete hypocrite.
>>55470677
>what is a production shortage
>what is vat
>what is an exchange rate
>mfw this retard thinks nvidia owns the world economy and can control exchange rates and value added tax
>>55470687
AMD managed to make their $199 card cost $199.
>>55470697
Fine, faggot.
$199 vs $299.
The founders will be sold first. AMD sold the 4gb at launch.
>>55460708
>>55460784
I didn't even know about the display port VR issue. This is unfortunate.
I'm not a fanboy for either side. I just wanted a new card. [spoiler]1070[/spoiler]
>>55470687
>>55470697
Don't worry I'll do the correction for him.
$300 480 8gb vs $220 1060 3gb
That's how it works right? I saw him do it before so it must be ok.
At least we've got this one settled.
>>55460452
I plan to use my gpu for more than 2 years and don't want it gimped by nvidia.
>>55470687
Not him, the problem is people are taking msrp prices for granted once again, when we saw more than once it almost always never happens.
That being said, I'm still waiting for reviews and deciding what to do from my 760: get a 480, a 1060, or grab my cousin's 970 when he buys a 1070/80. For now, seriously considering the last, and cheapest, option.
>>55470748
>For now, seriously considering the last, and cheapest, option.
Can you borrow the 970 until you come to a decision of what upgrade to buy?
>>55467449
Even if true, it's not disappointing when you have xen hexacores and octacores competing Intels quads for the same price
>>55470748
Just take the 970 if it's free. Oc that beast and you'll get 980 levels of performance. It'll last you a long time especially if you're playing at 1080p.
>check /g/ and /v/ for GPU discussions
>deciding between the RX 480 and GTX 1060 since literal poorfag
>every thread is nothing but shitposting
>have no idea what card to buy to replace my GTX 770
It's like both options I am being cucked anyway no matter what I choose.
>>55470697
The real MSRP is the founders price.
Wheres the 1070 at $379. Oh...
>>55470784
Can you wait until we start seeing some reviews on the 1060?
>>55470759
Possibly, but he hasn't bought it yet, and he's still getting a new case first, to make room for the custom loop we're building.
The 3.5 meme doesn't bother me honestly. I'm not that heavy of a gamer, and it will only drive 2 60hz 1080p monitors
>>55470784
Well your choice is a $199 8gb RX 480 right now, like the guy on /r/AMD just scored, or a $299 founders edition GTX 1060 with barely any more performance later this month with only the vague hope of a '$250' one next month.
Is 20w and 5% performance worth $100 and 2 weeks to you?
>>55470784
Depends what you want
480
>better dx12 support
>most likely better than the 1060 in a few months in DX11 after driver improvements
>8gb
>cheaper
1060
>$50-100 more
>6gb
>better DX11 performance (10%~) right now
>gameworks, shadowplay etc if that matters to you. new gameworks features you probably need a 1080ti to run at decent fps anyway
I'd be leaning towards a sapphire nitro 480 but wait a month to see both cards aftermarket benchmarks
>>55470768
Oh I wouldn't feel right begging for the card. Considering both 970 and 480 are still 300€ over here, offering 175-200 seems reasonable.
>>55470826
Wow. Look at all the speculation in one post.
>>55470746
It's funny how far the 290x has come. I remember when it was released it couldn't even compete with the 780ti and now its actually the better card.
>>55470838
>It's funny how far the 290x has come.
Not really that surprising since everyone was stuck on the 28nm node and it was rebranded.
>>55470836
so the 480 doesn't have better dx12 support than pascal and isn't cheaper than the 1060 that has less memory?
5 rupees deposited to your account sir
>>55470829
You're a eurobro? Yeah fuck getting amds overpriced shit then. You can pick up a 970 right for for €230 if you're alright with imports or you can just wait till the 1060 comes out and it'll be faster and cheaper than the 480 for the next few years till all games start coming out in dx12, but by then the 1060/480 will be madly outdated.
>>55470859
Some of your post was not speculation so none of it was speculation. I like your logic. I can play out a lot of rope on it and watch you hang yourself.
>>55470838
7xx owners got cucked big time. R9 290/x was significantly cheaper than the 780/780ti too where I live (UK)
Wouldn't be surprised to see the 9xx series fall off in performance in new titles
>>55470867
>230€
Where?
>>55460590
They're the winning team. AMD is the losing team.
People naturally want to cling to teams. Joining the winning team simply means their ego is boosted. Similarly joining the underdog team gives a righteous feeling. Both are emotional states that are perfectly natural to human beings.
>>55470874
you replied as if it was all speculation though. look at "all" of that speculation.
reality is the only speculation was new gameworks needing a 1080ti to run which I wouldn't be surprised. We know the 1060 will be slightly faster in DX11 when its released, which will most likely change by Christmas like we've seen with the previous 3 generations of cards.
>all these assmad amd fanboys because of the 1060
I haven't seen this much damage control since the overclocker dream fury x
>>55470899
>you replied as if it was all speculation though
Bullshit. Now that is complete and utter bullshit. Do you see the difference?
Now are we done with your obvious attempt to deflect the point away from a post with LOTS OF SPECULATION?
Neither company is good, that's why I game on consoles.
>>55470899
Holy shit how can someone be so bad at reading comprehension. Neck yourself you virgin neckbeard loser.
>>55470342
>You fail at basic reading comprehension.
It's you insisting that anything I say happened 6 years ago.
Stop living in the past. nVidia did it before and it CONTINUES to do it today,in 2016. They used this design so the card breaks down and you buy another one.
>>55470961
So how does the 480 handle its 150w compared to the 1070 with its 150w in regards to heat?
>>55470885
It was on some German site. There was a lot of people posting it in threads a few days ago. Check popular german hardware outlets or something.
PC gamers should buy no GPUs at all in protest against shit companies and products. We should buy neither brand and just buy second hand cards from people so that they can't make money.
>>55470973
Except with how shit the potatoboxes are, more and more people are going to PC now.
If we all bought used, we'd run out
>>55470969
Interesting, I already order my parts from germany, I'll see what I can find then
>inb4 shipping to portugal is 40€+
>>55470668
Lurk more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvCsT_dk-1E
>$600 GPU
>support cut in a year
LOL how is this allowed?
If you buy nvidia you are retarded unless you are one of those dumb fucks who upgrade every year.
>>55470746
the guy who did 290x card prob get fired and got replace by raja. so much failure
>>55470997
https://m.alternate.de/mobile/details.xhtml?p=1185386&page=1&q=&s=&n=&t=8406
>>55460615
That was 400$ crossfire vs a 600$ card, based off that RTS benchmark
Always without fail not mentioned, and then people act as if they're not shilling a narrative for something as stupid as graphics cards
RX 480 was so shit it made me reactively buy a GTX 1080. Anyone else? AMD had one chance to prove they can deliver a quality product and didn't just fall short of that expecation they crashed and burned (pci-e slots) horribly.
>>55469658
wtf happened to that card?
>>55471062
>My $199 card was so shit it made me spend literally 3x as much
Why did you buy a 480 in the first place.
If you had $800 to blow on a card, why didn't you.
>>55471086
He didn't buy anything, he's just shitposting.
