http://www.anandtech.com/show/10469/amds-tuesday-radeon-rx-480-update-new-driver-by-late-thursday
AYYMD GIMPING HAS BEGUN
>1: Based on data running ’Total War: Warhammer’, ultra settings, 1080p resolution. Radeon Software 16.6.2 74.2FPS vs Radeon Software 16.7.1 78.3FPS; Metro Last Light, very high settings, 1080p resolution, 80.9FPS vs 82.7 FPS. Witcher 3, Ultra settings, 1440p, 31.5FPS vs 32.5, Far Cry 4, ultra settings, 1440p, 54.65FPS vs 56.38FPS, 3DMark11 Extreme, 22.8 vs 23.7
>gimping
are you a fucking retard?
>shift some of the power load off of the PCIe Graphics (PEG) slot connector, presumably in order to bring power consumption within PCIe spec. Note that AMD doesn't say anything about reducing the total power consumption, and given option #2, it's reasonable to assume that this involves holding the power requirements as-is and shifting the load to the external 6-pin power connector. Based on earlier data this would potentially put the 6-in connector further over spec, but the vast majority of PSUs are very tolerant of this going out of spec.
How is this gimping exactly?
>>55437820
/thread
>>55437820
DELETE THIS
>>55437820
Also not crippled compute like Nvidiots. RX 480 24 h/s, GTX 1080 21 h/s. Muh ethereum mining.
>>55437820
Source? And does this mean it actually increases performance, or that it decreases by about 1 FPS?
>>55437861
lrn2read
>>55437861
Footnotes in OP article, citing the new driver's optimizations for a few titles. It's actually separate from the power consumption fix, which is going to come in two options, either offloading excess power draw to the much more capable 6-pin connector, or reducing total power draw so that both the PCI-E slot and 6-pin stay within spec.
>>55437861
Slightly dropping the voltage from just the peak boost state alone lets the card hold its clock longer so it performs better.
That isn't addressing the card pulling more power over the slot, but it is slightly lowering total power.
There are a lot of interesting things going on with Polaris. Not bad mind you, just software things to be ironed out. Programmable VRM controller. the die self analyzes and makes compensations for its perceived average transistor quality, adjustable power targets and setting certain power consumption ratios for the die and memory separately. 4th gen GCN has more new features than any other prior gen.
>>55437870
>>55437888
So it does increase performance
Nice
>>55437888
So they are giving you 3 options, how nice:
A, Gimp your card
B, overload you PCIe power bus
C, Overload the 6 pin power bus
AMD Shills will actually defend this.
>>55437925
B sounds pretty good desu
>>55437925
>>55437940
I mean C,
C!
>>55437832
your shitty chinese psu that you bough doing cheap shitty build with amd parts will fry your whole PC, Enjoy from AMD aka "Another Major Disappointment"
AMD is so incompetent, run by a bunch of idiots. Can't believe they fucked up so bad with the 480
>>55437953
A shitty psu will nuke everything regardless of Nvidia or AMD - they are rarely capable of delivering what the box says the unit can.
>>55437958
Fucked up so bad the card is selling like hotcakes.
>>55437820
>>55437789
>LESS THAN ONE WEEK AFTER LAUNCH
>ALREADY 3% BETTER
FUCKING
B A S E D
A
S
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>>55437789
>AMD KEEPS KEKING NVIDIA
>3% PERFORMANCE INCREASE A WEEK AFTER LAUNCH
>NO END IN SIGHT
>NVIDIA KEKS ON SUICIDE WATCH
How can you be so stupid to mess up something like basic graphics card power?
It's pretty fucking simple, the card should only draw power according to the specs, but AMD was so fucking stupid they missed this basic fact.
This fix will inevitably cause performance issues and still overdraw from the 6-pin.
>amd is unable to gimp
>they attempt and get a 3% in performance
sorry nvidiots, this was unavoidable.
AYYMD GIMPING PERFORMANCE BY REDUCING POWER DRAW TO BE BACK IN COMPLIANCE
AYYMDPOORFAGS CONFIRMED ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>55438033
>AYYMD GIMPING PERFORMANCE BY REDUCING POWER DRAW TO BE BACK IN COMPLIANCE
>reduce power draw
>immediately increase performance at the same time
TOPKEKKERINO
>>55437940
>>55437947
Too late! Kiss your shitty Chinese prebuilt motherboard goodbye!
>>55437925
>overload
>>55438023
Its fucking hard being an AMD user. I bought a 290x in early 2014 and expected it to fade into obscurity but god fucknig damnit now it competes with a 980. AMD can't do anything properly.
>>55438066
Stay snug, smug.
>>55438061
>Nvidiot doesn't know what MSRP means
>>55437854
This is why AMD is losing. They don't gimp their cards for mining which means miners buy their cards and gamers don't, because miners buy all of them up. Forever 20% marketshare.
New driver with 200% more poo.
>>55438066
>should've bought a nchinkia fucboi edition instead
>>55438118
That's hilarious, I always wondered who actually buys these pieces of shit.
>>55438061
>Novidia in charge of protecting GPUs from scalpers
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?clk_rvr_id=1057609652442&mfe=search&LH_BIN=1&_nkw=gtx%201070&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc&_trksid=p2045573.m1684
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?clk_rvr_id=1057607171349&mfe=search&_nkw=gtx%201080&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc&_trksid=p2045573.m1684
>>55437789
So dumb question here, but can anybody actually explain to me WHY this is a thing. Not why AMD fucked up, but why a card that uses like half the power of the previous generation can't find a place to get the juice? Did they f up by using a 6 pin? Could you just buy some adapter that would spread that draw over 2 connections?
>>55438183
It takes too much power from the motherboard. It's basically an engineering mistake, it can't be fixed with any kind of adapter.
>>55437789
AMD Radeon RX 480 in CrossFire - Beating the GeForce GTX 1080 at 4K
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/7770/amd-radeon-rx-480-crossfire-beating-geforce-gtx-1080-4k/index.html
BTFO NVIDIA!
>>55438179
>>55438183
the only difference between 8 pin and 6 pin is 2 grounds.
6 pins can output up to 250W, so long as the grounds are specced well.
>>55438183
It has nothing to do with the power connector, its internal settings in the GPU with regards to how it regulates TDP, and power draw between the die and the memory. The card can make a whole host of changes to its own settings based on a ton of criteria. Its just a software issue.
>>55438199
>I have no idea what I'm talking about
The issue is only affecting some cards, not all of them.
>>55438222
>The issue is only affecting some cards, not all of them.
Nope, it affects all 480s
>>55438093
so basically you need to wait 3years and 2 generations till you see your card actually outperform similarly priced competition?
It's pretty simple, the card is drawing too much power from the motherboard instead of the 6-pin adapter.
How AMD could have made such a simple and stupid mistake is beyond me.
>>55437789
So not only did AMD give out 4gb vram free they are doing a 3% performance increase a week after launch.
How can GimpVidia even fucking compete.
>>55438274
1060 will cost 180$(msrp for 6gb model), it will also have 20% better performance than RX 480. Nvidia is also supposidly created new async optimization drivers which improve all its card performance by a lot.
>>55438296
>3gb 1060
>3gb in 2000 and fucking 16
>>55438296
>1060 will cost 180$ MSRP
As much as I would like that to be real, you're fucking delusional.
>>55438306
Nvidia doesnt know how to make a true 4 GB card. The best they can manage is 3.5
>>55438244
>I have 7970GE
>Vega looks like my jam
Sounds about right.
>>55438317
They know how to make faster and better performing cards though unlike AMD
>>55438330
Until they gimp them 6 months after launch
>>55438313
Yeah 1060 will be $249, almost guaranteed
Still a much better deal than the 480
>>55438343
Yet they still remain faster than AMD cards.
>>55438366
DELETE THIS
>>55437820
>Performance figures are not average, may vary from run-to-run.
>Not quoting last line
>Taking ayymd advertisements as facts
DESPERATE
:^)
>>55438313
>>55438354
There is good chance it will be cheaper than RX 480 you dumb amdrones.
Why? Because it doesnt have SLI support. It will be calculated move by nvidia to take control of mid end market, a card which will have extremely good value, while still not exposing its highend market.
>>55438244
The 290x was competitive upon release against the Nvidia cards of the time (primarily the 780 and original titan) - the 780ti was released to be faster than the 290x (and it was).
Now all this time later the 780ti is dying a painful death and the 290x is fighting against a 980. Hell depending on clocks a 290x/390x even competes against a (stock) 980ti in some DX2 games. That is effectively 3 tiers of performance improvement.
Your argument that AMD cards (in this case, the 290x - though the 7970 also counts) aren't competitive upon release is flat out wrong.
>>55438405
If it's $200, it will absolutely destroy the 480, but no way it's going to happen.
If it's $250 it will still destroy the 480, and this is likely.
Either way Nvidia wins.
>>55438432
This whole post is completely wrong
When will the custom 480s start coming out?
>>55438432
>hurdurrdur amd stronk async compute, hurtdurdur
>>55438442
Elaborate.
>>55438183
>>55438199
>>55438219
>>55438222
Ok, I should have elaborated. I've actually READ op's article, where it tells us that the update will let people essentially choose whether to funnel the excessive power draw away from the PCIE and into the 6 pin, or just reduce power consumption altogether. Forcing it through the 6 pin is supposed to go over the official limit, but still be ok for most power supplies. I'm wondering if there's some way to connect that 6pin to a power supply that would split the power draw over 2 connections or something, like to prevent blowing out a cheap PSU
>>55438461
You know he mentioned the 2xx series, right?
>>55438536
>I'm wondering if there's some way to connect that 6pin to a power supply that would split the power draw over 2 connections or something, like to prevent blowing out a cheap PSU
It could definitely have problems with a cheap PSU. I don't think there's any way around that.
According to specs it should only be drawing 75W from the 6 pin, and it always draws more. This new driver just makes it even worse on the 6 pin actually.
>>55438597
>look at me being a tech illiterate retard
6pins deliver the exact same amount of power as 8pins.
Stop regurgitating bullshit about "specs" that you don't understand.
>>55438241
No it doesn't stop bullshitting
>>55438604
Sorry that's wrong
>>55438629
They each use the exact same 3 12v lines. An 8 pin connector only has an additional ground and a useless sensing wire.
They can deliver the exact same amount of power.
>>55437925
6 pin pcie's cana ctually draw 150 watts safely, they just arent rated for it. The extra two in an 8 pin are grounds basicly.
Figuring 10 amps at 12 volts, 120 watts coming through the 12v rail shouldnt be an issue actually given you dont have a shit psu.
So it really isnt damaging your psu, as long as the 12 rail has enough current to supply the gpu and the wire isnt 20 gauge trash chinese shit.
>>55437789
The word you are trying to use is "improving", not gimping.
GTX 1060 days ago was 8% faster than 480 according to leaks. Not is only 5%. By the time is released will be 2%. In one month from them both will be equal.
In a year, GTX980ti == RX480 in directx12 games
>>55438607
Yes it does
>>55438642
You are a perfect example of what an idiot does with a little information.
>>55438655
1060 is 15% faster than 480
It's also the same price.
Kinda a no brainer to get the 1060 at this point
>>55438685
>shit eating tech illiterate retard shill desperately trying to save face so he can keep spreading fear mongering FUD
>>55438689
source?
Does AMD still have shit Linux support or did it get a bit better ?
>>55438655
in 10 years, rx 480 will finally reach its final form and defeat gtx1080ti's
such is pajeetious development cycles
>>55438655
>GTX980ti == RX480 in directx12 games
The nearly 3 year old 290x can do that depending on base clocks.
AYYMD doesn't even support Feature Level 12_1, they're not DX12 cards at all
>>55438734
Shit support even though they're slowly going open source, it'll be another year before they catch up.
>>55438741
Yup, AMD cards are shit, riddled with issues and always cutting corners
>>55438747
I was hoping that vulkan would change this somehow. Kinda sad.
>>55438741
>>55438753
You do realise for some DX12 feature Intel has greater support than both AMD and Nvidia right?
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/207598-demystifying-directx-12-support-what-amd-intel-and-nvidia-do-and-dont-deliver
>>55438747
- No linux support
- Horrible drivers
- Power issues that will kill your motherboard
- Poor performance
- Inflated prices
What a disaster the 480 has turned out to be
>>55438405
The 6gb 1060 will have SLI, the 3GB (if there is a 3GB and not called the 1050TI) doesn't have SLI.
There is a reason there are two different core versions the /300 and /400
>>55437925
The technical max power handling of four 18-guage wires over a 400-500mm distance is around 10 amps. The contacts are rated for 9 amps. 12V * 9A * 4 = ???
An extra 20 watts won't do anything to a 6pin PCIe connector, the "official spec" numbers are arbitrary. The extra pins in an 8pin connector are ground leads. Both the 6 and 8 pin are physically capable of carrying the same amount of power.
>>55438760
Vulkan exists but it still hasn't gotten off the ground, hence the one year more part.
>>55438806
The only good thing about this is that prices of the r9 300s are going down because they're moving old stock. Good time to buy.
>>55438179
kek, saved
>>55438391
>tfw someone saved it
disregarding standards for marketing purposes (look, our card only needs 6-pin connectors because efficiency, next-gen) and failing badly at that is called AMD.
Muh AMD wins everytime in dx12
>>55437820
Don't worry it's just typical paid nvidia shills
>>55439039
Pretty sad how even an overclocked 480 can't beat a 970
>>55439069
The tiny 480 heatsink makes me laugh everytime
>>55439039
>>55439060
It's amazing how DX12 games work better on AMD than Nvidia. Except Rise of the Tomb Raider...Oh Yeaaaa it's a fucking gameworks gameeeeeee.
>>55439039
>amd still sucks at cpu scaling
why would anyone from a poor country buy a card that won't work well with a cheap cpu?
>>55439039
Of course, posting the broken dx12 benchmark in Tomb raider.
>>55439095
But Nvidia cant do dx12 games? hows this work then?
>>55439097
Oh lawdy look at the fury x keeping up with a 1080.
>>55439105
900 series and older cards take a performance hit in DX12 due to lol Nviudia. The 1000 series cards tend to see tiny gains, but no losses compared to DX11.
>>55439069
water boils at 100 degrees celsius (for ameritards). just shy of 4 degrees.
>amd is living on the edge, adventure :^)
>>55439126
Stock GTX 480's would hit over 100c - there is a reason why the housefire meme belongs to Nvidia.
>>55439130
amd thought it's a cool thing to join the housefire bandwagon :^)
>>55439095
I thought a big selling point on these cards was the low power draw and efficiency.
Did AMD lie or did they just make one monumental fuck up?
>>55437789
paid shill starts shilling
dont even read his own link
way to go
![14610034644x5teWArBn_4_5[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/0WzCZGD.png "14610034644x5teWArBn_4_5[1].png")
>>55439117
i wasn't talking about dx12 (forgot to add that), i was talking about dx9-11, on dx12 cpu scaling is fixed but there aren't many dx12 games out there
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/nvidia-vive-displayport-incompatible,news-53397.html
>VR ready
>actually, it doesn't work
>>55438689
Actually 1060 is 150% faster.
Source, my ass.
Told be truth, in numbers, the 1060 is a piece of shit. It will be +5% over 480 in old nvidia titles, and only for a while. In new titles and VR, 1060 will be laughable.
>>55438118
you dont really know how marketshare works do you know
>>55439159
He said the 970, and he was referring to my post which showed 970s
There isnt a 980 on there.
>>55439143
They lied and fucked up
480 was supposed to be a 150W card, turns out it actually draws 200+
But not only that, it draws too much of that power from the slot on the motherboard, which can actually damage your pcie slot
>>55439172
1060 is 15% faster than the 480 according to benchmarks
Actually 25% faster in VR
>>55439188
yep I found a nice link to that info
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/951-9/consommation-efficacite-energetique.html
before launch
>polaris, much efficient, such power
after launch
>here's how you flash your bios to draw less power from pci-e slot
>you can have 8gb in 4gb cards, isn't that great? why did you pay for an 8gb anyway?
It's a drama at every turn, it's not funny anymore.
>>55439188
>>55439201
I don't see 200
>>55438918
and you really think paid shill care about technical stuff?
>>55439234
You have to put on gamer glasses to see it.
>>55438033
card has more perfomance with less voltage
>AMD GIMPING PERFOMANCE
>>55439195
Only in Nvidia's intentionally leaked cherrypicked benchmarks. Nvidia's VR benchmarks are done with a yet unreleased game called Barbarian so they are even less representative.
Actual leaked benchmarks put it at less than 10% faster than a 480. That's pathetic considering the 6GB variant will be around $300.
>>55439201
AMD RX480 Lowest power consumption out of the entire AMD line as they intended. Thank you AMD!
>>55439256
You mean they may have fixed it then. What power does it now pull at peak
>>55439197
>Can pay $800+ for a GTX1080
>Can pay $800 for a Vive
>Can't afford a $20 DP to HDMI adapter.
Even if it couldn't be fixed by driver (which it could unless the hardware is different which then it would failed DP1.3 compliance not to mention the same has happened before with both AMD and Nvidia where bios updates were released to improve compatibility with some monitors)
You're could still workout the issue pretty easily.
>>55439272
The leaked benchmarks put the 1060 at 15% faster than the 480
Considering they're the same price, the 1060 is a much better deal
>>55439253
>>55439201
>>55439188
The 970 is only supposed to draw 145 watts according to nvidia. We all know that's a lie, they fucked up big time with the power consumption and the vram.
>>55437832
The only difference between 6 and 8 pin plugs is the 8 pin has 2 additional grounds. Specs on those cables are over half what they're actually capable of. Kind of like how pcie 16x used to have a rated 25 watt limit.
>>55439188
show me a gaming loop bench that the card actually reached 200 watts paid shill
the maximun they found was 164watt
>>55439284
fuck off shill. The only leaked benchmark that says 15% is Nvidia's own bullshit graph. All other leaks say 10% or less.
>>55438118
>This damage control.
Stay buttravaged shill.
>>55439284
what leaked bench?
the one graph of nvidia?
or the firestrike result of forbes that showed the card running on 1506mhz? lol
the card has less hardware less compute power less memory bandwidth the only scenario i can see it being faster is being overclocked like the one we saw and on certain gameworks games
and im not even gonna mention dx12 with such a cut down version gonna be so far behind hubble wont be able to see it
>>55439306
Tom's got the 480 to over 200W on the pcie slot alone.
The 480 is a disaster power wise.
>>55439342
>or the firestrike result of forbes that showed the card running on 1506mhz? lol
Why do you say as if thats something surprising? we saw how high does Pascal clocks, Maxwell OC average headroom was 1500mhz and Pascal blows that out of the way on stock.
>>55439347
>Got
Fuck off nigger
>>55439347
dont be a liar the card on gaming loop as per toms is 164 watts
on torture loop 225watt
unless ofc you are suggesting that the torture loop is the normal condition then you really need to stop shilling
>>55439391
>225watt
Yup the 480 uses a ridiculous amount of power, it's incredibly inefficient.
>>55437832
they'll roll a "compatibility" mode that complies with both connector and slot specifications, along with shifted power distribution which will be still off spec for 6 pin connectors.
reference card owners will literally run their cards off-spec if they want on par performance with shifted power cards, as amd already said it'll have a performance impact (whatever "minimum" that is)
>>55439283
>I know nothing about DP and HDMI Technology because I think its just different cables.
Do Nvidia cunts accept faulty hardware all the times?
>>55439405
>>they'll roll a "compatibility" mode that complies with both connector and slot specifications, along with shifted power distribution which will be still off spec for 6 pin connectors.
It's a toggle though
>>55439359
i will say why
all the cards we have seen so far with the shitty nvidia cooler cant sustain the boost clocks (that are 100mhz above the base on both 1070 and 1080)for more than 10 mins
and somehow forbes shows on STOCK cooler that the 1060 not only delivered 1506(which neither 70/80 could do even for 2 mins on stock cooler)mhz and then calls it a base clock
i mean literally is someone here stupid enough to think nvidia somehow will launch a card that has 400 mhz more as a base clock than 1070/80
>>55439403
literally you are not even able to shill correctly stop posting and go read the nvidia "how to shill for dummies" book
>>55439415
a performance lowering but standard complying (as written on the box - pci-e compliant) toggle, yes.
>>55439403
>480 uses a ridiculous amount of power
How much does it draw? and post link.
>>55439403
970 will pull 240 with the same test.
They advertised 145 watt tdp
They advertised 4 GB of RAMnvidia lied
>>55439342
AMDcucks are hilarious
>>55439442
First the shills on here say you need to talk about average power consumption but if its the 480 then its the spike consumption that counts.
>>55439425
>nvidia somehow will launch a card that has 400 mhz more as a base clock than 1070/80
What the fuck are you talking about you stupid nigger?
>>55439433
Ignore shills.
The RX 480 cards affected by the aberrant power draw issues are only pulling 164w~ peak. TPU measured 163.
Slightly higher than the rated 150w TDP, but lowering the top pstates voltage also addresses this.
This board is rapidly becoming a place where all logic and sanity goes to die.
Jesus fucking Christ AMD is so bad they can't even gimp a card properly.
>>55439525
>>55439507
Tdp of a 970 is 145 watts
Advertised ram is 4gb
It's a joke of a card I don't know how they could fuck up so much
>>55439403
>t. Paid and poorly trained NoVidya shill
>>55439403
Here fagget hold this.
>>55439507
do you actually believe that paid shills care about logic?
they are following the same pattern as the ones on ocn...
literally accounts that never was used for 2-3 years where activated on release day and start shilling
ocn banned 23 of those accounts...
>>55439545
Yet they sold and still sell so well.
Answer is theyre a good card. I mean its taken 2 years for AMD to bring out the 480 which is similar.
>>55437899
lmao, is that real?
>>55439557
Uses more than a 1070. what does it do with all the fucking power it sucks up?
>>55439557
They are rapidly loosing any rational talking points. Powergate will soon be fixed with a driver update. Aib's will have 8 pin, and more oc headroom. 8gb for the price of 4? Based AMD, thank you.
Criticism left: it's not as good as a $500 card.
>>55439585
Melts PCIe slots, apparently.
>>55439581
ofc it is would be stupid to have 2 production lines so early amd just bios locked down 4gb
>nvidia 4=3.5
>amd 4=8
>>55438918
>psst, official spec numbers are for noobs
>we're all overcl-.. ahem.. end users here, trust me
>>55439602
yeah i know about the 4=8
but is the sticker real?
>>55439576
The answer is obvious: nvidiots are cucks.
And the 390 has been a thing for years now.
>>55439617
yes
>>55439469
Average is the only number that matters regardless of gpu - momentary spikes last for milliseconds and anything but the shittiest of psus will handle that.
>>55439601
The miner that melted his motherboard 24 pin connector was hilarious using an unpwoered riser to run 3 480's off a board with only two pcie slots. Naturally running more cards than the board supports without additional power support (hence why powered risers exist) is going to put strain on components.
>>55439624
thats like the most awesome win ever.
>>55439602
https://youtu.be/HYb7FYfIc2g
The 8gb card you can change to 4gb but it on the 4gb card memory is 7gigabits per second whereas the 8gb card dumbed down to 4gb runs a 8gigabits per second
>>55437899
Thanks AMD.
>>55439635
>>55439585
Yes it uses more than the 1070 I'm happy all of a sudden you can read. Nvidia is a head of AMD in efficiency. This is AMDs first efficient card in and of it self. You won't find an argument about that from me.
nvidia the way its made to stutter ™
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxnFv8cnjZA
>>55439585
Its a factory overclocked card, it doesn't have that peak 1266mhz clock because of any arch changes. 4th gen GCN has the same 8 stage pipeline that all prior implementations also had.
Look at Polaris 10 in the RX 480 vs Hawaii/Grenade used in the R9 290/x and R9 390/x.
Polaris comes in at 36CU vs Hawaii/Grenada's 44CU, 40CU for the binned chips.
Polaris has 5.7 billion transistors vs Hawaii/Grenada's 6.2 billion
Polaris has 32 ROPs vs Hawaii/Grenada's 64
The 4th gen GCN arch used in Polaris has higher performance per clock inside the CU than prior GCN arch, but when it comes to gaming performance you don't see it. Why? The limited pixel throughput from having half the ROPs. This is why the RX 480 has a higher stock clock than any other GCN card to date. AMD opted to design a die with a simple layout and the least transistors possible to maximize yields and profit margins. Clocks were pushed as high as possible to try and make up for some of that lowered pixel throughput, and the cost of this was increased power consumption.
Creating a 64 ROP die would have demanded a much more complex layout, with more transistors, and lower yields. They would have been able to clock it much lower, and it would use less power over all, but it wouldn't have been as economical.
The other massive part of it is the memory. Out of the rated 150w TDP the die itself is limited to 110w, and 40w is allocated to the 8GB if 8Gbps VRAM. A wider memory PHY with slower memory, or GDDR5x would lower power consumption significantly, but again wouldn't be as economical.
Thats why the RX 480 draws more power than the GTX 1070. Its a factory OC card that sacrificed power consumption to ensure it would be profitable at a $200 price point.
>>55439634
Several people have had PCIe-frying experiences, not just the miner. I'm not going to get into it though. It DOES happen, even to people using their cards normally, but it is getting fixed and the update should be out soon, so no worries.
Are the people with fired slots able to get like reimbursement from AMD, or nah?
>>55439670
nvidia was never ahead
you cant compere a card that boast with hardware for all its features with one that miss most of them and is relying on the OS to do the work for them..
hence the awesome gaming experience you get on dx12....
see>>55439676
>>55439676
The 480 stutters see below 9m40seconds in
https://youtu.be/HYb7FYfIc2g
>>55439680
i dont know 161 watts on 1070 and 164 watts on 480 isnt really anything big to even go crazy about...
>>55439684
I'm going to withhold my judgement about boards frying until I see concrete, independent confirmation. An anon post on the internet is just not enough for me.
Do I think it's possible? Sure. It could happen.
>>55439699
i dont see anything on that time you say...
>>55439684
>>Are the people with fired slots able to get like reimbursement from AMD
Well since there weren't any people with fried slots I can't say any have
>>55439692
Higher frame rate more stutter. This makes sense now. I was reading an article about AMD is not using the newer DX12 API/driver(Some thing) because the fixes in the new DX12 where for software based Async which AMD does on hardware and Nvidia pushed on to the GPU. So the AMD cards would use more energy where the nvidia card would send all the work to the CPU? Do I have that right?
>>55439718
Google it. If you don't mind Leddit, there's a massive thread ongoing on there, with like 25+ updates with legit reviewers weighing in as well. Ditto for the AMD forums. Just Google it and things will crop up.
I'm not saying it's common, because it's not, but yeah, it's definintely happening.
>>55439721
wrong one apologies. I linked the incorrect video
This one.
https://youtu.be/2kjIHgq2zBU
>>55439684
several?
you mean the idiot with the asrock motherboard or the miner that actually fried his 24 pin not the pcie because he installed 4 rx480 with a 450 watts psu...
>>55439707
Its not a big deal, 150w~ for a mid range GPU is perfectly acceptable. Perf/watt is much more critical on the low end for entry level cards, mobile GPUs, and for the highest end enthusiasts parts.
We've already seen that Polaris 11 has markedly higher perf/watt than Polaris 10, and its because its clocked right in the sweet spot for GCN. 850mhz with a 0.8375v vcore. The card AMD demoed vs the GTX 950 was only pulling 50w. Thats the level of perf/watt we'll see from Vega, only with HBM on an interposer which uses far less power than any other type of memory.
>>55439676
Wonder how itd do at a lower fps. Id like to have seen the results from it when they all ran the same framerate.
>>55439736
No.
Hardware is ALWAYS better than software for a given task. GCN based cards (especially hawaii and newer cards) pull more energy when async compute is leveraged because the silicon that allows for it is no logner sitting idle and thus requires power.
AoTS is a GCN killer in that regard - on the higher clocked models you can see some truly ludicrous pwoer draw (and equally insane performance - a 2/390x rivalling a 980ti for example).
Pic unrelated, its the sort of shit you expect to see on /g/.
>>55439743
>several
Here is the one board note the board, case and condition.
daily reminder PCI-E 3 provides up to 300w
if you own a shit mobo and psu it's your fault
>>55439781
He shouldnt have dropped that turd in the bottom of the case.
>>55439770
>Dx12 is not multithreaded
>>55439781
That's disgusting.
>>55439770
Boom! Got it, thanks for the explanation anon!
>>55439740
I think they're fixing it in 16.7.1.
Still, the 1070 1080 Fury comparison video is bullshit.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/total_war_warhammer_directx_12_pc_graphics_performance_benchmark_review,6.html
>>55439736
those fixes are since early 2016 on dx12 to accomodate nvidia
they are using the os and cpu to do async while the rest are on the card hence the stutter you see
nvidia never actually pushed it nvidia since 2014 was saying they were ready and not only that they said they were ahead of amd http://www.legitreviews.com/nvidia-highlights-directx-12-strengths-amd_138178
but the truth is after august 2015 when the guys on beyond3d started to test the maxwell they found out that it doesnt have any sort of hardware sc..only a small arm chip between the driver and the gpu to controll the workload
their cores cant flip or jump or pause midcycle
its literally a card for dx11 and nothing more
>>55439740
yes we know 480 is stuttering on gtav days now but this has nothing to do with what i showed tho
my video is the prime example that they are lying once more
>>55439747
im sorry 1070 is rated on 150 watts yet it goes on 161 on heavy gaming loop
480 is rated 150 watts and goes on gaming loop at 164 watts
>>55439781
yes the same idiot from amd forums
he literally said that he was playing for 7 hours and benching the shit
what he didnt said is that the d6 code is purely vga problem and error 99 is purely pcie problems(those are taken from asrock site btw )
when people called him out he just went away..
>>55439770
Nano would be a beast at 14nm then with its low clocks?
>>55439829
If the Fury ASIC were ported to 14nm and had updated PowerTune IP it would probably average 100w or less at 800mhz. Thats just too expensive to produce for the level of performance provided, even though perf/watt would be exceptional.
>>55439829
If you simply scaled it down then yes, it would be a beast. The fiji die that powers the fury line on 28nm is absolutely enormous (one of the biggest dies ever created - only the titan x and 980ti are bigger). Plus AMD's chips tend to be considerably denser than Nvidia's so thats a factor into heat dissipation.
>>55439847
To be fair GCN's sweet spot is 800-900mhz. 1ghz+ only exist for AMD because they had to jack clocks up to get similar performance. An underclocked 290x is surprisingly power effecient once you start going below 900mhz.
>>55439847
if? we are expecting them with hbm2
>>55439635
it's not a win, it's literally a crippled product.
You HAVE 8gb, but AMD locked it to 4gb. Awesome 'win'.
>>55439883
I'd bet on Vega filling the same TDPs as existing Fury cards, nothing small enough to hit 100w.
Wait for the 490, its the 1080 killer.
>>55439893
Reasoning such as this is why I put no validity into nvidia shill talking points.
Upgrading from a 7970Ghz what Is the most reasonable card to get In the same tier, 1070, 980 ti, fury x, fury or 390x? Unfortunately waiting for top end 400 series Isn't an option since I'm getting the card while on a trip to the US for half of what I would pay on this shithole of a country I live In.
>>55439893
lol there is a bios out there already
tell me can you unlock the 0.5 to work as intended with the 3.5 ?
>>55439907
whoever counts amd to just have such a small tdp given the amount of hardware they have on the cards is delusional
>>55439893
>You HAVE 8gb, but AMD locked it to 4gb. Awesome 'win'.
And charged $40 less
And you can get the extra 4GB by flashing the bios, so what you're actually doing is rewording "You get 8GB for the price of 4GB" to make it sound like something bad happened.
>>55439893
>bought a 4GB card and got an additional 4GB for no extra charge
Looks like a good deal to me.>>55439893
>>55439917
Mail the box back and put card in luggage. Might save some import tariffs. Do not keep your receipt on you.
>>55439893
If its a simple bios lock then fixing it is easy. Plus the most likely reason AMD did it is the 4gb chips they were using either went EOL or simply couldn't meet demand so using the 8gb setup and bios locking it is the simpler way to meet demand for the card.
After all at this point GDDR5 cost pennies to bolt to a chip until you hit mega densities.
>>55439915
If AMD went mental and gave it 128 ROPS a theoretical 490/ fury x2/whatever would not only be enormous but have unrivalled performance.
>>55439930
tell that to 8 gb customers
good deal indeed
>>55439930
The memory runs slower on the 4gb cards
>>55439942
$240 for $350-450 card 3 weeks ago? Sure, it's a great deal.
>>55439939
>If AMD went mental and gave it 128 ROPS a theoretical 490/ fury x2/whatever would not only be enormous but have unrivalled performance.
10+ billion transistors and one hell of a crazy die layout
>>55439942
paid shill dont even know amd gimped by 1gbit the memory
paid shill doesnt realise he just helping the situation
paid shill needs to be fired
>>55439952
http://www.amd.com/en-us/products/graphics/radeon-rx-series/radeon-rx-480
Does it, though?
>>55439942
It's not like this kind of stuff is new. Softmods have been around forever.
>>55439984
>Memory Speed (Effective) 7 Gbps or higher
Yes, it does.
>>55439975
vega cards are from 15 to 18 billions as per amd
if someone thinks amd will give a 10 billion chip on polaris price must be crazy
>>55439984
according to this guy yes. He tested the 4gb to the 8gb
https://youtu.be/HYb7FYfIc2g
>>55439938
Ill just bury the card In loosely crumpled clothes which normally does the trick well enough when used with the big ass suitcase I have and I don't really care enough about the box to go through the hassle of mailing It back, still a nice tip, hadn't thought about that.
>>55439977
oh, amd also said its 8 gb versions may have gimped memories too, so there goes your arguement.
>>55439952
>literally flash the BIOS to the 8GB bios
>VRAM runs at the clock speed as any other 8Gb card
Not seeing a downside.
>>55440013
watch the video posted >>55440009
The 4gb is 7 per sec
The 8gb dumbed to 4gb is 8 per sec.
He points this out
>>55440029
Is 1GB/sec a major difference?
Is the extra 4GB of RAM for free worth the 1GB/sec hit?
>>55440029
in real life this is 3-5 fps down
literally its like what 3%? slower?wow i guess its the same as having 3.5gb
>>55440010
They will search everything, including your phone, if they think you are trying to get around taxes.
>>55440045
not really as you are not using the max 3.5gb when gaming all the time.
Its a piss poor comparison, Also why compare it to that?
Im not comparing amd v nvidia im pointing out the fact the 8gb card has the faster memory
>>55440029
And 4GB flashed to the 8GB bios runs at 8gb/sec as has been confirmed by techpowerup.
>>55439922
>>55439923
>>55439939
Yes, flash the bios and void your warranty.
>>55439303
Well yes, the problem with the 6-pin connector is that it has fewer ground wires than supply wires.
Id rather buy a card, plug it in and it works.
All this fucking about and flashing, overclocking etc.
Just buy a decent card
>>55440077
being this stupid
>>55440074
it was a tard comparison lol i know but the fact remains in real life condition that 1gb/s doesnt have the impact the idiots keep saying here
also the memory modules are identical to the 8gb ones so that gimp must be bios locked too
>>55440095
> not wanting higher performance for free
k
>>55440107
You obviously only have ever bought cheap tat then
the shitposting is real in this thread
>>55440121
It doesn't matter what fucking level you buy. You can buy a 1080 and still overclock it and eke more power out of it. It's irrelevant what level of product you buy, considering you can always make it better via overclocking.
>>55440133
>amd logo
>expects no shit posting from paid shills
>lel
>>55440135
the majority of those who buys ever 5 -6 years cards dont care about overclockability or power issues or 3.5gb of memory or whatever for them if the card is working when you put the connector its fine
>>55440135
It does. Problem is you dont know because like I say you are one of the budget buyers and thus havent experienced the other
>>55440051
See, that's one of the few "good" aspects of shit holes, the same way crime Is rampant, tax evasion Is just as common since It's just too troublesome the Inspect everyone that arrives from abroad so you either have to be a very frequent flyer which makes customs officers suspect that you're making a business of contrabanding or just be exceptionally unlucky to get randomly selected by customs for Inspection.
People don't really give a fuck about customs In airports here, traveling abroad with at least two bags to carry back all the shit you buy Is the norm and a few people just don't give a fuck and even bring whatever they bought In the big ass retail boxes. I've personally seen full sized bike and home theater boxes which passed right In front of the customs officer without a hitch.
>>55440107
Overclocking always introduces more instability. It's never a good idea if you don't actually want your shit to crash.
>>55440170
> I bought a card for $X
> I get X speed
> I spent the exact same amount of money
> I get a faster card
Why is this bad?
>>55440195
Then do it safely and you're completely fine.
>>55440146
I wonder how many Chinese slaves AMD pay to shillpost?
No drivers. Only poorfag cards and 20% of the marked. When you look on /g/ it's like they got 90% of the graphics marked.
>>55439795
No it doesn't, it only goes to 75W.
That's why the 480 is causing so many problems on motherboards.
>>55438642
>only has an additional ground
You can't ignore that, though. The 6-pin connector has three supply wires but only two ground wires, so the ground is effectively its bottleneck.
>>55440195
Not always, it depends on how high you overclock and the quality of the silicon.
>>55439557
Even looking at your own chart, you can see how inefficient the 480 is.
The 1070 is both faster and using less power than the 480.
The 1060 will be even better at the same price, really there is no reason to even consider the 480 anymore
AMD can't get anything right anymore, it's no wonder Nvidia has 80% of the market now.
>>55440195
Yeah, tried overclocking my 2500K back when I first got It and It ran just fine for a few days but after a week or so of having my computer on continuously It would blue screen so I just gave up on overclocking anything, I'd much rather my computer on for a whole month(only ever gets restarted to Install updates) than a bit more performance which I wasn't lacking at the the time and am still not lacking today, five years later.
>>55440205
so /g/ is basically rich vs poor?
Sad that even Logical Increments are shilling this trainwreck now
https://twitter.com/logicalinc/status/750394569015980032
>>55440252
It always has been
>>55440273
Does that have any affiliation with the falcon?
>>55439684
>>55439718
These are the kinds of boards that fry.
