Why not just get the Nitro RX 480? The pci express issue is gone, the card performs perfectly well for 1080p 60fps.
Why decide to get a gtx 970 over this? The card actually has 4 gb of ram, or 8 gb for a bit more. I really don't see an issue with this card. I think it is just the hype that got out of hand when people claimed it could take on a 1070. This isn't even high end, its a mid range card so it should compete with the 970 and 1060.
This should be a go to card for budget builders who want to enjoy 1080p 60 fps. Yes, I know the gtx 1060 isnt out yet so we dont know its price or comparison, but why all the hate? What is a legit problem with this card other than the pci issues on the REFERENCE MODEL, the aftermarket models would have these issues fixed along with new drivers and overclocked editions of the card. Why so much hate?
i don't think it does 60fps on ultra settings on most games. nether does the 970.
the only reason people should go with the rx 480 is if they're still on an old card and don't already have a 970/390/290/7970.
unless you really want shadow play and see a 970 for $239 again.
Why not just a get a 1060?
Its just one week away.
>>55434593
I dont see a reason why not if it is better for around the same price ill pick it up, but I just dont understand all the hate this card is getting.
I have a 660ti
What do?
I'm only planning to do 1080p gaming.
>>55434612
Because its a terrible product, 2014 performance in 2016 and horrible power usage, compare the die size against the GTX970 and you will see.
This shit should be $150, not $250. Aftermarket GTX970 have already been as cheap as $240 for almost one year, it wasn't until recently that prices for the 970 increased which must be because they ceased production and there is nothing to replace it for now until the GTX1060 is released.
i'd buy one but it's not fucking out yet
when is this shit coming out? i checked newegg and amazon and it's not there
>>55434443
I'm waiting for it OP. I did not care about the PCIe thing, it's was really blown out of proportion. Anyhow the Sapphire should have better cooling with a little OC. Thats all I care about.
>>55434593
1060/6GB-Reference vs 480/8GB-Custom
The GTX1060 will have better performance /watt.
The GTX1070 already does.
Performance should be like a GTX980 and it should OC as well as the 1070/1080.
>>55434674
No hard date for the US but it's already showing up in the UK for pre-order and arrival 22nd of July.
>>55434669
Face it shill, the 480 could put out Titan X performance on 50 watts and you'd still bitch.
>>55434669
All that text you just typed will be obsolete when BF1 comes with DX12
>>55434741
Where in my post did you got the impression I was complained about Polaris because it was a good product?
Did the logical thought that maybe I was complaining because Polaris indeed fucking sucks even crossed your mind?
Is this a good upgrade if i have a trix 290?
Typical AMD brainwashed shills behavior, you can't say something bad about AMD because they immediately get into a frenzy trance trying to defend "their" company even when you're just stating facts.
>>55434614
Same here, waiting for a 1070 myself.
>>55434762
You just mad that the 4GB polaris came with 8GB and the 4GB 970 came with 3.5
>>55434762
Are you high or on the spectrum? Both?
>>55434614
Anything over 970/480/1060 is going to be pretty much a waste at 1080p. Get what you want.
>>55434784
No.
Funny how people predicted how bad Polaris would turn out.
https://scalibq.wordpress.com/2016/06/29/amds-polaris-debuts-in-radeon-rx480-i-told-you-so/
https://scalibq.wordpress.com/2016/06/04/the-damage-that-amd-marketing-does/
https://scalibq.wordpress.com/2016/06/16/gameworks-vs-gpuopen-closed-vs-open-does-not-work-the-way-you-think-it-does/
>>55434825
Shiet, guess ill wait for vega, thanks.
>>55434793
Reasoning?
>>55434443
>The pci express issue is gone
evidence?
https://scalibq.wordpress.com/2016/06/16/gameworks-vs-gpuopen-closed-vs-open-does-not-work-the-way-you-think-it-does/
Apologize.
>>55434793
same here
>>55434840
>people predicted how bad Polaris would turn out.
Sends us to the same "BLOG" no one heard of, with the same guy posting 3 blogs. kek Is this your blog?
Look at them Red Arrows!!!
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/05/27/from_ati_to_amd_back_journey_in_futility/
Apologize to Kyle, AMD shills are you not man enough or what.
>>55434928
>Sends us to the same "BLOG" no one heard of, with the same guy posting 3 blogs.
Kek, as if that makes you right.
You know everything he predicted turned out to be correct.
>>55434907
Open Vs Closed? No one cares we all use windows to game.
>>55434957
No one cares man the card is selling, thats the bottom line.
>>55434928
>Who is Scali
https://scalibq.wordpress.com/about/
Windows only plebs need no apply.
>>55434840
>>55434907
>>55434932
Hay guyz check out my blog don't forget to like comment and subscribe ^^;
>>55434977
Oh but I thought the GTX970 was a terrible card yet it sold so much, the best selling GPU in years in fact.
Whats wrong?
Serious lack of consistency there AMD shill.
>>55434739
wccftech rumors say it will be available at 14th of july at some point
>>55434987
The 970 in my mind is a bad card only because the .5GB has a slow memory controller which in 2016 will not cut it. The RX480 is a bad card because of the fixed PCIe issue, you cant fix that .5GB controller with a driver. Your arguments?
>>55434989
>wccftech
Take it with a grain of salt...how everrrrrrr wccftech has been on the ball with the Polaris new lately so next week you and me can both hope.
>>55435012
The 970 is objectively better than any non-Nvidia part thanks to GameWorks™, PhysX™, and their world-class GeForce Game Ready™ drivers.
>>55435012
>you cant fix that .5GB controller with a driver. Your arguments?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COEwgUI6D3w
and countless more, you can use the /g/ archive to search for more youtube links.
it was never a problem.
The only people who complained were overly concerned AMD shills who worried on behalf of the people who bought the GTX970.
There was a pic of someone using Assassin's Creed Unity to showcase the problem, you can clearly see in the screenshots the game is using DSR +MSAA to hit 4GB of Vram usage, when the game already has problems reaching 60FPS at 1920x1080, even a 1070 stock has problems reaching 60FPS in some areas at that resolution.
The FPS tanked not because the memory usage but simply the lack of raw power.
>>55435059
You're fucking with me lol
>>55434443
>gone
Nice try pajeet, but the testing after the fact has not happened. And only PC Per and Toms Hardware measure at the slot. Please wait for the all clear from them before shilling.
>>55435072
The 970 is an really good card it only need 3.5 but we are talking about the Sapphire RX 480 thanks now go away.
>>55435140
nice arguments but the 480 is competing with the GTX970, which was released two years ago ;)
There's no reaosn to considering the GTX970 NEITHER the 480 when the GTX1060 is coming out soon anywya.
You have to be a die hard retard AMD fanboy to buy a 480 without at least waiting for GTX1060 benchmarks and price.
>>55435153
So I can't buy what I want?
>>55435166
Only you're a idiot amd fanboy as I have stated before ;)
A logical person would wait for the GTX1060 to be released and compare both.
>>55435177
But you have convinced me to get the 970 -=)
>>55435199
Good choice, it's a good card, better than the 480 too, hell even the 290/390 are better than the 480.
>>55434443
Because it won't be sold at that 199 dollar price point which made it even moderately appealing in the first place. This card could be between 270-300. It's literally worthless at that point.
>people still dumb enough to get the meme 970 after 3.5
LOL
>>55435199
You aren't going to buy anything anyway, poorfag. Quit acting like this is a big decision you need help on. We all know you came here to argue and shill.
>>55434614
GTX 1060 or 970/ RX 480, whichever is cheaper.
I'd choose between the 1060 or 480, as the 970's 3.5 GB issue will likely be frequent occurrence as most AAA titles, nowadays, like vram, a lot.
>>55435297
Jesus even with hairwerks on, the 480 is on top.
>>55434443
>>55434614
>1080p
>2016
>>55435313
No. Vram is not a limiting factor here. 4gb will be perfectly fine for the forseeable future especially if you're playing at 1080p. You really think devs will start making making their games require more than 4gb vram? You've got to be a fucking retard to think that. Even old 750 ti's run perfectly fine with 2gb like they can play gta 5 on high without issue. There's way too big of a user base out there who have 4gb and less vram than there is with cards that have over 4gb. It's literally under 1% on the stream hardware survey that has over 4gb vram.
>>55435059
I like a dead give away it is when a post uses ™ .
I hope you like your 5 rupes in your Accounts from Nvidia Shill.
>>55435313
4GB is ok
>tfw waiting for zen apu
>>55435428
Are these both running at the same resolution? I'm just curious because the images are not identical frames of the scene.
>>55435297
>23 games tested
>6 flat out didn't work + Ashes of Singularity meme
>4 more weren't even smooth to play comfortably- witcher being one of them
>some fucking insane power use
If you're going to spend 500, just buy a fucking 1070, or add like 100 bucks and get a 1080.
>>55435428
>Mirror's Edge™ Catalyst from EA DICE is now available, offering gamers hours of fun in a massive city tailor-built for fast, fluid movement in first-person. For this latest release, DICE has taken PC visual fidelity to a new level, taking full advantage of the power of our new GeForce GTX 1080 and 1070 graphics cards.
>Making full use of their blistering performance, and 8GB framebuffer, DICE is able to dramatically increase environmental detail and shadow quality on the new 10 Series graphics cards, and further improve the quality of reflections, visual effects, environmental maps, image based lighting, motion blur, and Resolution Scale’s downsampling. Classed as “Hyper” settings, these enhancements enable users to explore a richer, more detailed city on the very best PCs and graphics cards, delivering the definitive Mirror's Edge™ Catalyst experience.
http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/mirrors-edge-catalyst-geforce-gtx-1080-1070-hyper-settings
>l-look at this one setting which was specifically made for these new flagship 1440p cards with 8gb vram
>i-it doesn't work well on 4gb s-so thar means 4gb is d-dead
Neck yourself
>>55434443
Kawaii af
>>55435503
>but two 4gb cards for $400
>get free 8gb
How can Novidya even compete?
>>55435503
I have a 290 non x you sperg >>55435452
You're argument of 4gb being dead just got blown the fuck out so hard you have no rebuttal. Neck yourself.
>>55435512
LOL 8/4!!
>>55435517
Your *
MSI RX 480 X Gaming version
>>55435384
4GB will be a limiting factor, though. Shadows of Mordor already requires 6GB for their ultra texture pack at 1080p and more games are already using 4GB of it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/2vcepp/discussion_4gb_vram_being_used_at_1080p_in_2/
1080p on GTA V is mostly CPU dependent, so a higher frame rate is expected with a high speed processor, but with more graphic dependent titles and unoptimized console ports being pushed in the market. 4GB will no longer be the recommended size for gayming PCs.
>>55434443
>1080p 60fps
My card from YEARS ago already does this. This card is the worst fucking meme ever. Where the fuck is my HBM2 that will do 4k 100fps?
>>55435572
Those would be high end cards. This is a $199 mid range card. I apologize that you lack the proper brain functions required for processing this information. It is possible that your last memory controller might be slow.
>>55435562
>4gb card with a slower .5gb segment
>runs perfectly fine
https://youtu.be/COEwgUI6D3w
>290x
>no memory compression
>still runs perfectly fine
https://youtu.be/KSj2xIHlbTI
Vram is almost never the limiting factor, ever.
>>55435059
>world-class GeForce Game Ready Drivers
the 1070 and 1080 are both ~70% better performance/watt than the 480. that gap is larger than the gap between the 970 and 290/390 despite the hawaii chips being extreme housefires and AMD supposedly designing a new architecture (hint: it's actually just the same old GCN) and moving to a 14nm process.
if the 1060 isn't a massive gimped piece of trash then it's going to be the undisputed superior choice to the 480. it's up to AMD now to make a competitive product if they want to win more business.
>>55435736
Is the six pin still an issue or can I just use a new motherboard for it?
>>55435770
6pin issue is waiting for a driver update thats was to be released today but was delayed because they rolled it into a bigger update. The after market cards will carry a 8 pin connector.
>>55435770
undervolt it but keep the clocks the same
>>55435770
How old is your Motherboard? 2007?
>>55434669
>2014 performance in 2016
This argument of "2 year old performance" has been thrown around since the 480 came out and it has been retarded ever since. The 1060's rumoured 980-level performance would also be "2014 performance in 2016". All new cards below the flagship are always compared against the performance of the GPUs of yesteryear, then evaluated on how much they've lowered the price of entry for such performance. In fact, it's been the entire point of the 480's marketing and stated purpose, to bring the VR entry point - which has been the 970/390 level of performance - to $200. This isn't a detriment in any way or a point in your favour or proof that the 480 sucks. This is a thing that has been happening in GPU value measurements forever.
>This shit should be $150, not $250.
Why? Just because you say so? It's as fast as cards that were $300 recently for $200. Why isn't that enough?
>Aftermarket GTX970 have already been as cheap as $240 for almost one year
They haven't even been as cheap as $240 for one month. It's only about 3 months that the 970 and 390 came down below $300, and only a couple of weeks that some have been hitting around $250.
>>55435798
>drivers will fix it
drivers aren't going to fix a GPU that inherently needs too much voltage to operate and they certainly won't fix circuitry that pulls too much current over the pcie bus.
unless your saying AMD has magic code that can change physical circuitry now?
>>55435819
>I have no understand of the issue
>I'll just talk out of my ass anyway
Nice
>>55435809
>2014 performance in 2016
because it's equivalent performance to a REFERENCE 970. with the same perf/watt. despite the newer process and architecture. AMD should have delivered something much better than this, the 480 had to be at least stock 980 performance to be a really good card at it's price point. instead, now the 970 is still a better option despite the gimped memory and the fact that it's 2 years old.
>They haven't even been as cheap as $240 for one month.
i bought a 970 for $250 over a year ago, you can find them on meme-stock for $230 and second hand for much lower if you're autistic and patient enough.
>>55435819
Sorry I don't work at AMD nor can I speak for their engineering department, Thank You.
>>55435851
>muh unlockable memory
the extra memory doesn't make up for the cost of a new motherboard
>>55435827
the problem is well documented, AMD put too many power phases on the board (because poolaris is poorly designed and requires too much voltage) and provisioned them so that half of them can pull from the pcie bus, causing unsafe amounts of current to be drawn.
KEK
https://community.amd.com/thread/202410
you truly do get what you pay for
>>55435884
See image for 3 people getting their RX480s tomorrow. I'm excited for them. <3
>Why not just get the Nitro RX 480?
Only two DisplayPort. Some dipshit decided to cater to owners of archaic hardware rather than people with modern monitors. I'll just have to take my business to a less shit company.
>>55435819
>hurr i dont know what pwm is
Weve been able to adjust voltages on gpus and cpus for ages idiot.
>>55435902
Kids board was already trash.
>>55435809
The fact that the 480 basically matches a 970 2 years later is terrible. Some benchmarks show it to be faster than the 970 and some show it to be slower but the main point here is its competing with an upper midrange card from 2014 whereas the 1060 will be competing with the flagship 980 and probably overclock to much higher performance levels.
As we can see in this benchmark >>55435706 it requires an oc to compete with a standard evga ssc 970 which is in actual fact slower than a 980 when compared with its standard clocks to a reference 980.
https://youtu.be/snhSYWiRJFc
The 480 was just a bad card all together and doesn't even get better vr scores than a 390 and any aftermarket 970 which is currently £29 cheaper here and even cheaper in places across europe.
>>55435962
>>55435948
then you reduce the stability and performance of the GPU by undervolting it. that still leaves the 480 without OC headroom (because you're then putting it back into unsafe power draw territory) due to the bad VRM provisioning.
this entire fiasco reeks of AMD attempting to rig benchmarks by forcing the higher voltage/clocks out of the box then trying to change it a week after the card launched.
>>55435736
>if the 1060 isn't a massive gimped piece of trash
1 9 2
9
2
>NoVideo memeory strikes again
>>55435884
So much for >muh architecture specifically built for 14nm. If any evidence does come out proving pascal is a die shrunk maxwell then that makes it even more laughable. An arch optimized for 28nm which has been die shrunk to 16nm outperforms and is way more efficient than one specifically built for 14nm according to amd. What a joke.
>>55435993
>3GB/6GB
>192 bus
>$350
>5 per State
git Hype
>>55436032
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2016/07/06/nvidias-gtx-1060-outperforms-radeon-rx-480-matches-gtx-980-in-leaked-benchmarks/amp/
Get
Fucking
Hype
1060 confirmed BEAST of a mainstream card.
>>55435993
With both cards at stock speeds the 1060 is weaker by 12% in 3d mark
Also the 480 at 1.4/1.5 (idk which) almost reach the 980ti.
>>55435631
Fucking savage.
>>55436061
price? it better be $199
>>55436074
Blind amd shill detected. 1060 is officially at least 15% than a 480 with stock clocks in leaked benchmarks.
Based nvidia.
>>55435884
>just talking out of his ass like a tech illiterate retard
Only certain RX 480 cards were affected by the aberrant power draw issue.
Voltages for all the pstates are set generously high just so AMD could have a ton of volume at launch. The looser the validation standards the more dies they can sell. That has literally nothing to do with why certain cards were pulling power more heavily from the slot than the 6pin. That is entirely software/firmware.
>>55436010
Pascal has a longer pipeline than Maxwell, and IPC is slightly lower. Its a derivative of the same architecture. Only a tech illiterate retard would think they just took a Maxwell design and shrank it.
>>55436114
15% faster
>>55436061
Firestrike is synthetic but not when Nvidia uses it huh?
>>55436116
>Only certain RX 480 cards were affected by the aberrant power draw issue.
[citation needed]
all of the cards that have been checked by reviewers so far have been affected, it's an inherent design issue present in every reference model of the 480.
>Voltages for all the pstates are set generously high just so AMD could have a ton of volume at launch.
no, they're set high because samsung 14lpp is a terrible process. the same shit happened before with apple's CPUs when they produced them on both samsung's process and tsmc's, every tsmc chip was consuming less power and performing better despite equivalent specs.
>>55435962
>is its competing with an upper midrange card from 2014 whereas the 1060 will be competing with the flagship 980
The 480 beats the 970. The 1060 may very well hit the 980 mark, but it will be priced accordingly. And if Nvidia go aggressive with the price, then AMD will likely respond with a price drop. Probably not right away as the 1060 will almost certainly see just as much price gouging at launch as all the other new cards, but once prices settle.
As for that OC benchmark and the 1060's potential, reference 480s have been getting weak overclocks at best, but the talk going around is that it's hitting a power ceiling with the 6-pin connector, and that partner boards, presumably with 8-pin connectors, have been getting much better results. As per usual, we'll see what the truth is when custom boards actually roll out, but even at the moment, the 480 is still a damn good card for what it costs, and while the 1060 will put pressure on it, AMD will do what they need to in order to secure their value proposition. After all, the 480 is their play at marketshare first and foremost, so if they don't get aggressive with it then I don't know what the fuck they'd be thinking.
But EVGA 1070 comes out next week
>>55436124
>being this ass ravaged
Stay mad son. Stay mad.
>>55436154
>>55436139
>tech illiterate retard has no idea what hes talking about
>bring up the A9 SoC like a shit eating idiot
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/iphone-6s-a9-samsung-vs-tsmc,30306.html
There is no statistical difference between either A9 SoC. No matter how many times you retarded kids bring this up, you'll always be wrong. Neither chip from either vendor is running at its highest clock and lowest voltage, they're all set to the exact same nominal settings.
Apple themselves even spoke out about it, and if they were so dissatisfied they wouldn't have let Samsung provide over 60% of all A9s shipped.
Polaris10 isn't made to be the highest perf/watt GPU on the process, its literally a factory OC'd card with a die made to be as cheap as possible. Its a simple layout with 32 ROPs and clocks pushed as high as possible to make out for the lowered pixel throughput.
Polaris11 competes with the GTX 950 at only 50w because its a lower clocked design at 850mhz with a 0.8375v vcore.
>b-b-b-b-but da process is shit!
>even though I'm such a tech illiterate retard I couldn't tell the difference between a BEOL and FEOL if my life depended on it
490 FUCKING CONFIRMED
>>55436147
That chart shows a 4-5 fps difference advantage for the 480 at stock speeds. What's to stop me from going out right now and buying a Zotac 970 for £200 which will overclock and beat any 480 which currently retails for £239 (8gb).
970
>cheaper, better potential after OC, much better cooler
480
>more expensive, shitty OC potential, shitty blower reference leaf blower cooler
Even a 390 is currently like £10 cheaper than a 480 and if you've got a beefy psu already then it will also be faster and cheaper.
I have a 660 and want to play games at 120fps on my 60hz monitor at 1080p
eventually I want to play at 300 fps on a 300hz monitor at 4k
wat do
>>55436206
Sweet!
My overclocked R9 290 is faster than a 480 at stock speeds. I only see it beating my card by a few FPS when it is overclocked but not by much.
It will not do Ultra in some games like RotTR without dropping below 60 FPS even if I turn off some settings like Pure Hair. If you just switch Ultra on it stutters occasionally (The pan around to the mountain on the benchmark for instance).
For 1080 gaming it's merely 'OK' but it's not going to give that constant 60 FPS without turning down the settings on some games.
To that end I am getting a 1070.
Honestly, the biggest thing keeping me away from AMD right now is their lack of a shadowplay equivalent
apparently the only thing they have is bundled with bloated crapware
>yfw 490 is literally and figuratively 1.15x better pooformancing than 1080ti
>>55436262
Why are you comparing your 290 to the 480? The 480 is for people with shitty cards.
>>55436280
There's no way but that would actually be pretty funny.
If the 490 beats the 980 Ti it has already done its job.
What AMD needs to focus on now is fixing the pin/motherboard issue with the 480 and trying to squeeze as much possible power out of the reference version without using massive wattage or increasing internal temps or loads too much.
It's unfortunate because their OC clock speed is already pretty high but idk maybe they can tweak some shit. Right now it's already a pretty damn good performing card for the price, just not an Nvidia mid range killer like they hoped.
>>55436284
Because people asked if a 480 could run every gfame @ 60 FPS on Ultra settings and using my card as a reference point on scores I can give a pretty good answer. The answer is 'maybe' but it depends on the game and if it's gimped towards Nvidia like TW3 and RotTR. I definitely cannot run those games in Ultra at 1080 60 FPS and notice some judder when it's not hitting 60 FPS constant (Most of the time).
But maybe I am blowing Steam outta my ass.
>>55436312
This guy is right, go buy a 970.
>>55436331
I mean, unless you really want Geforce and Shadowplay, there's no point really. I said that AMD wasn't exactly a mid range killer but they still edge out on top. Plus you can still get some really nice performance in the future with DX12.
Why the fuck are so many people comparing brand new launched price with second hand cards.
Of course you are going to get better value second hand. People are selling their parts cheap to upgrade to the next generation.
Try to compare apples with apples and you wont sound so foolish.
>480 needs an 8 pin to work effectively
>1060 only needs a 6 pin
>490 needs 8+6 pin to work effectively
>1070 only needs an 8 pin
How did amd fuck up so bad? I'd actually bet money on the 490 being a literal copy of the 480 with power problems and shitty overclocking.
>>55436362
NO, MUST BUY 970!!!
>>55436208
>What's to stop me from going out right now and buying a Zotac 970 for £200 which will overclock and beat any 480 which currently retails for £239
Nothing, myself included. Price drops on outgoing models is another one of those lovely features of new GPU generations. Also reference cards and blower coolers are always shit, the 480 is no exception, and custom boards will have the added bonus of featuring beefier power delivery, which as I said is seemingly going to offer significantly improved OC capability over reference. Fuck the reference 480 in the ear with a rubber dick.
I'm not a retarded fanboy, the 970 and 390 obviously win out in that situation, but like I said, the 480 is all about bringing their performance down in price. Well, clearing out inventory for cheap with great sales on those very cards is another way to do that. That's a great thing. It was a great thing when I got my triple-fan vapor chamber 280X almost a year and a half ago for cheap. And if the 1060 is priced crazy low for 980 performance, that'll be great, and if it forces AMD to drop the the 4GB 480 to $180 or phase it out entirely and drop the 8GB down to $220 or $200, then that'll be great, and if that creates awesome sales on 980s and 390Xs too, then that'll also be great.
I'm not arguing that the 480 absolutely slays everywhere or that there is no viable alternative. It's not a bad card for the money, in fact it's quite good, and it'll be better with partner designs. My whole issue was that >>55434669 calls it a terrible product, and it's not. You can find better deals right now - deals which exist initially because of the 1070, but which got even better after the 480 - and going reference instead of waiting for custom is always the poorer choice, but that doesn't make it bad.
>>55436378
A brand new aftermarket 970 is cheaper than a reference 480 >>55436208
>>55436381
please let me know where you are getting this 490 info from
>>55435562
>shadows of mordor
>relevant
m8
>>55436391
where?
i can make up numbers out my ass as well.
>>55436378
Cause they don't under price to performance. The big deal about the RX480 is that you can get last years $400-$500 for $200 which is normal but the card uses a new Architecture, not a re brand. Comparing the 480 to a 970 is pretty stupid even if the both preform the same. The 970 is at the end of it's run and not made for the APIs where the 480 is. If you opt to buy a 970 over a 480 cool but know you will be ill equipped for upcoming games. Also while its not as efficient as Nvidia line its very efficient for AMDs line.
>>55436416
http://m.ebuyer.com/663452
>>55436381
The RX 480 draws as much power as it does because its factory overclocked, and the memory itself is drawing 40w. The die itself only consumes 110w stock.
If the die had 64 ROPs it could have been a lower clocked, high perf/watt beast, but that would have resulted in a significantly more complex layout with a transistor count nearly equal to Hawaii. They were going for something as cheap as possible to produce so it would have solid margins on a $200 card.
The Fury replacement cards have HBM on package, and each die stack only pulls 3.5w~, thats under 15w for 4 packages. It won't be clocked nearly as high, the HBM interface requires less power as well. AMD's performance flagship will only be a 200w~ design.
>expecting any intelligent discussion here
>when its nothing but childish shitposting
I don't know why I even bother
>>55436381
>>490 needs 8+6 pin to work effectively
Cause more pins means it will use more power lol, for fuck sakes man stfu
>>55434564
>i don't think it does 60fps on ultra settings on most games. nether does the 970.
But they do, in 1080p.
>>55436425
4GB
>>55436419
>The big deal about the RX480 is that you can get last years $400-$500 for $200
It competes with the 970 and 390 which were both 329 at release. You're deluded if you think it's offering 980/fury performance.
Why are nvidia shills even shilling?
I mean the 1070 isnt even competing with the 480 and the 480 outperforms the 980 in all the tests they have the advantage (overclocked of course)
And the motherboard thing only happens with old mobos or foxconn mobos.
And it has been fixed already
Its like they are being paid to post biased stuff.
>>55436449
> And it has been fixed already
When was the driver fix released? Genuinely asking, last I heard is that AMD was working on it.
>>55436458
Oh, i didnt knew it had not been released already.
I dont have an amd card i dont know.
I just dislike shilling.
>>55436467
So why'd you say it had already been fixed?
>>55436440
Who the fuck cares. We've already discussed in this thread how 4gb is perfectly fine for 1080p and I wouldn't spend an extra £30 just for 4gb extra vram.
2bh at least it's not like paying 130 dollars more for 4gb extra vram like amd tried to pull with negligible performance difference.
>>55436476
They announced the driver.
I think the next step of their master plan is to release it.
>>55436449
>I mean the 1070 isnt even competing with the 480 and the 480 outperforms the 980 in all the tests they have the advantage (overclocked of course)
See
>>55435962
>>55436061
And pic related to back up my point.
>>55436491
They announced they are currently working on a fix. It has not already been fixed. As far as I'm aware, they haven't even finished internally fixing it yet.
>>55436486
There's literally only one model of 290X on PCPartPicker which has a price and it's fucking $600. The cheapest 390X right now is $330.
Can anyone give me a good reason to get anything more than a midrange GPU or used these days?
i bet most of you cant even tell the difference between max and high settings. The higher end settings are generally badly optimised for both manufacturers anyway (eg hariworks)
inb4 kids claim they need 4k or some bullshit like that when they probably sitting too far from the screen to notice anyway
>>55436516
Oh, well, thats sad.
Im still rocking my GTX 480
>>55436509
>"Look at this test that backs up my opinions"
>"Look at this list of tests that back up my opinions"
>"That other bigger list of benchmark scores that proves im wrong isnt right because i say so! bwah"
You guys are like jews, you only defend your opinions with misinformation, cherry picking and biased info.
>>55436557
Yeah, I've largely lost my hype for the RX 480. I'm hesitantly interesting in the Sapphire Nitro, but I'm not as stoked as I was.
>>55434593
because surely a card with less compute power
with chocked memory bandwidth
and being a paxwell in general surely will do just fine
and maybe so on certain gameworks games but when they put it to the dx12 test i bet the card will be so far behind not even hubble will be able to see it
>>55436557
The driver fix is probably going to be in the next monthly driver release.
>>55435451
now its
quantum break meme
aots meme
hitman meme
and total warhammer meme
can we just stop pretending that nvidia is actually good on dx12? they are shit they lost 30% of they perf when warhammer used async...
>>55435446
they are running on the hyper setting no 4gb card can run them without being cucked to death
>>55436557
>3 different benchmarks from 3 different sources showing the same results
>i-it's all a lie
>the 480 is f-faster than the 980 even though i-i can't show proof
neck yourself.
>>55436061
1500mhz
synthetic runs
nvidia is ahead
i guess when amd uses synthetic meme is shit
when nvidia uses it is good
>>55436114
only nvidia will actually pull out a card with less compute power less memory bandwidth less memory in general and slower clocks and say "its faster"
probably on arkham knight lol or they gonna underclock a 480 to 850mhz in order to compete?
>>55435631
Then stop promoting a normie card on a techonlogy board, shill.
>>55436557
the 16.7.1 is about to be released in 1-2 days amd said
they are giving the card a boost of 8% on many games in general
>>55436643
>implying nvidia did that firestrike test
are you retarded or just trolling? that's an independent benchmark which is proving the 1060 is faster based at stock clocks than a 480.
>>55436673
there is no independent benchmark yet
also pretty sure 1506 mhz isnt a stock clock...
unless you are saying nvidia gave that card a 400mhz boost as a base clock related to 1070...
>>55435503
Crispy burned PCI-e slots
Noice
>>55436703
Not if he takes it easy until the driver update is released, which is apparently coming soon/
>>55436713
what, all you have to do is undervolt while keeping the clocks the same
>>55436702
>i-it's all a lie
like clockwork.
>>55436745
nvidia barely can keep their own boostclocks for 10 mins and you actually suggesting that somehow 1060 will be able to sustain a 400 mhz boost above 1070?
its not a lie its just marketing bs
Looking at the current gen of video cards, the prices, the price gouging, the inflated to shit prices in Europe and the insignificant performance gain, I strongly suspect this is probably the second to last generation of desktop gaming hardware. It probably had one or two more generations left on top but with the corporate tactics being displayed here... Forget it.
Intel already said they will hit a wall after they move to 5nm - which by the way, they're supposed to do by 2023 - this is a ridiculous prospect considering they already stopped with the tick-tock so that roadmap should be pushed back at least 5 years.
I've heard the 5nm the fab will require lithography machines costing billions instead of the typical couple hundred million dollars.
Considering desktops sales are dropping - guess if they'll consider the investment as a sane thing to do any time soon. I strongly suspect not.
Basically desktop computing is done.
Unless some pixie-dust material comes around to replace silicone which I doubt will happen, no one is even talking about that, and they would if they had something, their stocks are kinda dependent on it.
>>55436765
what the fuck are you talking about? how has it got a 400mhz higher boost clock than a 1070?
>nvidia barely can keep their own boostclocks for 10 mins
ironic how the 480 can't do this either.
also,
>what is a custom fan curve
>>55436794
>GTX 1080 performance uplift over GTX 980ti
>anyway indicative of a halting trend
>Polaris 11 performance uplift over any prior entry level GCN GPU
>anyway indicative of a halting trend
Next time you think about making a post, don't.
>>55436842
Polaris matches last gen mid-high performance.
For about 30 to 40$ less. Which is quite honestly laughable.
The performance gain of 1080 looks good in comparison to 980Ti because the 9xx series was a complete dud - something which doesn't surprise anyone considering Nvidia was competing with themselves while AMD was releasing rebreand after rebrand of the 7970.
All the signs point toward significant stumping of performance gain - even when the industry is trying to get a good performance gain - and believe me, Nvidia tried. But failed.
It's not economic anymore.
>>55436910
It's only $30-$40 less because the market has already reacted. The difference from reveal to launch was closer to $90, and that was after some shopping around and sales and rebates, which of course the 480 doesn't have either of yet.
All I want is an upgrade from a 7950.
Which one do I get?
>>55436910
Polaris 10 and Polaris 11 are two entirely different dies designed for entirely different things.
Cost per transistor with Samsung's 14nm is lower than 28nm HPP, and area scaling means significantly more candidates per wafer for a given ASIC. That is the definition of economical. Its so economical that Samsung developed an even denser BEOL variant of the process because they're going to keep it running for years for high volume commodity chips like those from Allwinner and MediaTek.
Don't bother posting when you're completely ignorant.
>>55434760
People generally play more than one game.
>>55436934
aftermarket 480 from sapphire
no, they're not out yet, the only ones out now are reference from various manufacturers
>>55436934
Sapphire Nitro 480 8GB or EVGA ACX GTX 1060. EVGA 1070 if you can afford to go higher Don't jump the gun and go reference ever, wait for partner boards and reviews for those boards, and compare price/performance before you make your move. Patience.
>>55434443
>Why decide to get a gtx 970 over this?
I like having drivers
I also dislike having fuck hueg cpu usage from AMDs terrible cpu overhead.
>>55436936
I'm talking about performance gain and you're trying to spin it around to how many shitty chips they can slice of a silicon pancake you imbecile.
And by the way you're pretty much confirming what I'm saying. It's not economical to build for performance gain anymore. Now they're building fabs for high yield of mediocre shit.
The energy efficiency of Polaris is garbage. I highly doubt they'll spin this dud of an architecture for long considering Intel has integrated graphics capable of matching the low end Polaris chips coming very soon.
Polaris 11 is literally DOA. Like most AMD mobile crap.
If the 480 hadn't received so much hype and shilling it would've done significantly worse as well.
>>55437033
>I'm a tech illiterate retard
As if it weren't already obvious.
Again, child, Polaris isn't one thing. It is the codename two different dies share. Polaris 10 isn't aimed for energy efficiency with its 32 ROPs. Its a high clocked low cost chip.
Polaris 11 is extremely high perf/watt which is why AMD showed it off in great detail all the way back in January. For you to sit there and just pull factually incorrect nonsense out of your ass is ridiculous. 850mhz 16CU die with a 0.8375v vcore and less than 50w total board power. That is competing against the GTX 950/960.
>>55437072
>Polaris 11 is extremely high perf/watt which is why AMD showed it off in great detail all the way back in January
They also said Polaris 10 will have a 90W TDP in January you retarded mouth breathing low IQ slavic Pajeet looking motherfucker.
AMD says whatever they need to say for retarded poorshiters like you to buy their mediocre shit. Fact of the mater is Polaris 10 has a jugernatuian power-draw for a low performance chip - what it fucking is, and even Maxwell slaps it's ass in performance per Watt.
AMD had to jump to a smaller fab size to match Nvidia in performance per Watt. Last gen performance per Watt that is.
That's the only thing we can get out of everything AMD has done so far.
And stop fucking fanboying over this retarded brand. You're worse than a fucking Applefaggot god damn.
>>55437122
No one ever said Polaris10 had a 90w TDP you shit eating retard.
Jesus Christ you're stupid.
>>55435425
>>55435081
>>55435059
When I was working at a parts store, a small scale store in a shit ass country mind you, we literally got contacted by nvidia itself to add ™'s and ®'s to their card listings in our website.
I'm not fucking with you, they actually did.
>>55437134
Except for AMD.
Keep being a retarded shill Pajeet Ivanov.
I made an observation on the whole industry and you turned it into some kind of an AMD tirade. Fucking fanboying cuck faggot.
>>55435072
>y-you certainly don't need it guise!!
>a big company falsely advertising their product is completely fine
>>55437151
That is total system power consumption for the test system pitting Polaris 11 against the GTX 950.
Good job proving you're a subhuman retard, kid.
>>55435059
I will always buy Nvidia™ because I only play games The Way It's Meant to be Played. Nvidia also pioneers innovative new technologies like PhysX™, Gameworks™ and the highest quality driver to ever grace Windows. When I boot up with a brand new Nvidia™ Geforce™, I can experience the game just like it's meant to be played. Nvidia also delivers a far more silkysmooth experience. Nvidia Geforce™ is also very power efficient. A graphic card is the most power hungry device in your house. Refrigerators, air conditioners, water heaters, dish washers, lights, etc all use significantly less power than a graphic card. Which is why Nvidia™ puts gamers first by ensuring that their gaming experience is of the highest quality while looking out for gamers by giving them the most value in their electrical bill. At this point in time, there's really no reason to consider an AMD graphic card at all. I tried one one time, it caused so much heat that it exploded. It also consumed so much power that it gave off an EMP and destroyed the rest of my computer. Nvidia™ also pioneered how useless GPGPU is with CUDA™. Years ago, everyone thought GPGPU, CUDA™, and OpenCL were the future. Now, Nvidia™ has removed those useless features from their GPUs and increased efficiency. Now you can save thousands a year in electricity thanks to Nvidia™ ensuring that useless features like GPGPU are "optimized" for gamers. It's quite clear that OP's an AMD shill trying to convince you to settle on something less than The Way It's Meant to be Played™. Nvidia™ is the only real way to play games. We have seen recently that they offer incredible libraries for software developers like Nvidia Gameworks. He is probably too poor to afford the Nvidia Geforce Experience and can not afford to play any games The Way It's Mean To be Played™. Don't be a poor gamer with bad drivers and a huge power bill.Play games with the Geforce™ Experience™: The Way It's Meant To Be Played™
so the $199 480 is basically worthless, underperforming garbage. gj amd.
>>55437151
That is clearly saying that AMD's card draws 86w while their competitors draws 140w doing the same task. Even I can see that.
>>55437163
Read the small text in the image Pajeet.
You inbred nigger gypsy.
This is why fanboy cucklords like you should be permabanned from 4chan.
>>55435527
Have you watched that video? He says the stutter is so bad in crossfire that it's unplayable.
>>55437177
No, its totally system power consumption
>>55437178
Keep on proving you're a legitimate retard.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9886/amd-reveals-polaris-gpu-architecture
Polaris 11
Total system power consumption
Being compared against the GTX 950 drawing 100w~
>>55437178
Lets see you comeback and keep shitposting after you just got blown the fuck out straight from the source
>>55437190
Literally a fucking illiterate Pajeet.
>>55437201
Literally a fucking illiterate Pajeet #2.
Get your rupees and fuck off.
I wasn't even originally talking about your shitty low performing card. But you AMDrones think everything has to do with your corporate overlords, huh?
Go suck Hassan's dick.
>>55437229
Dude, that's 86W from the PCie slot, not total Wattage.
>>55437236
No. Everyone knows the 480 draws 115W from the PCIe slot.
>>55437229
That text is explicitly referencing the Polaris 11 card being demoed.
Not Polaris 10.
And it is total system power consumption.
It is being compared to the GTX 950 which draws about 100w
This can't be made any clearer. I just posted the source that plainly explains everything.
You're such a shit eating subhuman retard that you can't even read a few simple lines.
>>55437236
No.
>>55437248
>115W from PCIe
Now I know you're a Nvidia rentboy
>>55437229
Just because you didn't read the source doesn't mean it's not true. Sorry, buddy. You are empirically wrong, and no amount of 'hurr pajeet' will change that. You are incorrect, and you are doing nothing more than showing how biased and ignorant you are.
>>55435959
>ASRock mobo
He deserves a burned PCIe
Until AMD fixes their linux drivers, ill have to keep selling my soul to nvidya
>>55437325
Use open source. It's much better
>not just waiting for the RX 580
>3x the performance of the 480 for the same price
>>55434825
bs my 970 is not enough for 1050p
>>55437255
Nowhere in the article does it say anything about Polaris 11 you fucking coal colored nigger.
>>55437280
Now if you can rattle your Pajeet brain to figure out how that part of the source has anything to do with what I said.
AMD said their architecture is a good performer per Watt. It's not. Maxwell is still better. And let's not even start how fucking laughable it is to compare it to Pascal.
I was speaking about the technology. Pajeet and you Pajeet made it into a conversation about AMDs new gaymore card. I don't fucking care about 480. It's garbage. It's a crappy card. It's a last gen card with last gen performance and it costs a tad bit bellow a last gen card. That is it's fucking contribution to technology. It costs 20 dollars less.
Well whoop de fucking do.
Buy it and try not to get too much shit on the bag when you're running back home on the shit covered streets.
Whatever. This is a technology board but I guess you low IQ retards only care about playing shitty games.
>buy 20 rpi zeros
>wire them together into a giant parallel processor
>literally just built your own GPU hundreds of times faster than anything nvidia or amd can make for a fraction of the cost
>>55437354
I love how you're totally grasping at straws after you realized how completely wrong you are.
>AMD said their architecture is a good performer per Watt. It's not. Maxwell is still better.
AMD literally demoed a 50w card out performing a 100w Maxwell card.
Your desperation is hilarious.
>>55437358
>then waste 20 years programming an API that can make use of it
>realize you're too old for gayms
>sudoku
And nothing of worth was lost.
>>55437372
What desperation?
And yes. It is outperformed per Watt by Maxwell.
I don't know why they bothered comparing it to Pascal but here you go.
Again. Last gen performance.
You get what you pay for.
Stop being a fanboy. There's literally no reason for you to fanboy over this shitty card.
>>55437354
> AMD card outperforms Nvidia card
> "It's a crappy card"
> AMD card draws less power on an identical rig to a Nvidia card
> "It has worse performance per watt"
I'm really glad I'm able to disregard everything you're saying, to be honest. It'd be harder if you weren't grasping at straws like an American at the last burger in McDonald's.
>>55437387
Why is there no 960 on that chart; oh wait it's because it's a 128 bit piece of shit
>>55437396
> AMD card outperforms Nvidia card
AMD card matches performance of an Nvidia card in the same price segment. A last gen card. And still has a worse TDP.
Nvidia is always 20-30$ more expensive. So what?
Oh because it's not a total slaughter like last gen. Well, good for you AMD goys. I still don't' get how this is good for consumers in general.
Besides hype and memes do you have anything else?
>>55437177
Just like 480 is 150W card
>>55436625
>MUH 3 CHERRYPICKED GOYWORKS TITLES
>>55437404
It's above the Titan.
>>55437424
Oh I see it.
>>55437417
>I still don't' get how this is good for consumers in general
Because it brings better than 970 performance to $200. Even the "$20-$30 more expensive" is only true because the market has already reacted to the 480, and these sales are also affecting the 390.
>>55434443
It's simple really. /g/ just likes chinese cock better than indian cock.
>>55437482
Cause it doesn't hurt as much when it fucks you over
>>55437331
Kek, no it's not. It might be some years from now but not yet.
because i dont want shitty 60fps on my 144hz monitor
>>55437488
curries have even smaller dicks than chinks
1060 will be weaker than 970/rx480, right?
>>55437540
Afaik leaks say 980 levels. I'll wait for reviews and see, nda lifts tomorrow, right?
>>55436439
Show me proof that Witcher 3 runs at solid 60 maxxed out in 1080p
Oh wait you can't
>>55437551
what's the price again for 6gb cards of 1060?
>>55434443
i have a 970 and i just preordered the 8gb model of this.
did i do good, /g/?
>>55437563
>solid 60
>novigrad
>>55437387
>picking a resolution no one uses because it's the only one where the 970 hits 100% with the 480, even though the 1080p results, being the most relevant to the 970/480 topic of discussion, show only a single percent of difference between the two
I don't even know why you cherry picked this one. The full results still prove your point about Maxwell's PPW over the 480 even if the 970 falls behind at higher resolutions.
In thinking about crossfiring 2 of these because I got a freesync monitor. Are there any benchmarks for 2x RX480?
Will it be OK for 1440p gaming?
>>55437567
Not sure. I think the announced 250$ might be for the 3gb version. But imho, it would put the 6gb version at a rough spot. If it releases at 280-300, it risks getting cannibalized by the 1070, if the previous 980 vs. 980ti is any indication.
>>55437609
Don't ever sli/crossfire. There's little support. DX12/Vulkan MIGHT change that but I wouldn't put all my cards in for that possibility. We're still 1-2 years from those apis maturing and devs getting used to it
>>55437609
Crossfire or SLI still have problems on a lot of titles even after all these years.
So yes it'll be fine in the games where it work.
>>55437255
Witcher 3 pulls 186 watts, (as shown on Toms Hardware, the pic has been shown on this site for all of this week now)
>>55437627
consoles have a single gpu so game devs will never bother optimizing for sli/xf
>>55437627
>>55437631
Well that sucks. Any chance for AMD to release a 1070 alternative this year?
>>55437653
considering their 970 alternative eats more power than a 1080, their 1070 alternative will have to come with its own power plant
>>55437633
aren't toms hardware total nvidia shills though?
>>55437669
No its just probably when both companies give them gpu's to test one of them doesnt scare them enough to stop testing it before it fries something
>>55436206
So, while the 480 might set your house on fire, the 490 definitely will?
I assume AMD are going to rename the Fury series of cards to the Fiery
I really don't understand why most people is so autistic about this card, saying nonsense like "2014 performance in 2016" and shit like that! The RX480 is the successor to the R9-380X and the counterpart of the GTX1060. Comparing it to the GTX1070 and GTX970 is idiotic in my view, because the GTX1070 is a higher category card that costs almost twice and the GTX970 is an out of production last gen card, that will disappear from the market within 2-3 months.
>>55437875
Because it started when it was claiming that its equal or a bit slower than gtx 980 for just $200
Few days before launch it was found that its slower / par with gtx 970 and has other issues.
Amd-cucks keep lowering the bar.
>>55437875
>can't compete with the card it was made to compete with.
Typical AMD engineering
Fuck when will sapphire nitro will be available?
my wallet have been itching, i cant stop my consumerist side of myself since im upgrading from hd7770, i might jump the 1080 bandwagon if found myself drunk and buy it unconsciously
I got a 970 for free so I'm just gonna save for a 1080 or 490. Can return my 480 without worry.
The real question is what reason anyone would have to upgrade their GPU?
Witcher 3 is literally the only game to come out in the past year that is worth anyone's time. And the prospects for the future look dire.
>>55434564
>>55434564
>>55434564
>i don't think it does 60fps on ultra settings on most games. nether does the 970.
What the fuck? I have a 960 and it gets 60 fps on everything besides w3 on ultra
Would a 1070 be overkill for 1080p gaming for the next 3-4 years? probably buying a 6600k to go with it
Do we know (or can we approximate) how expensive the Sapphire Nitro will be? The non-Nitro is $319 AUD, with an MSI GTX 980 costing $419 AUD.
What card is best if I want tge least housefire and it just werks?
Intel integrated?
why does amd rarely release non beta driver updates compared to nvidia?
Actually, RX 480 or R9 390?
I checked my local shops and they cost EXACTLY the same, while R9 390 have higher scores.
What would I miss?
>>55434443
>Why not just get the Nitro RX 480? The pci express issue is gone, the card performs perfectly well for 1080p 60fps.
Because /g/ is full of NVidia shills.
>>55436950
Then why every fucking Steam profile has one game with 1k hours and 10 games with 2 hours?
>>55438844
r9 390 = a refresh of the r9 290x with better power consumption, a power hog, still has the elpida vs hynix random freeze problem on occasion
rx 480 = better power consumption and samsung ram
