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The US government has started an investigation into Tesla's autopilot after a fatal crash.
This is the first step towards a recall of all Tesla cars
A tractor trailer was crossing a highway. The Tesla car drove under it without braking, and the windshield & upper part of the car crashed onto it at full speed.
Tesla's defense: it's a public beta.
http://electrek.co/2016/06/30/tesla-autopilot-fata-crash-nhtsa-investigation/
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/30/us-regulators-investigating-tesla-over-use-of-automated-system-linked-to-fatal-crash.html
>>55344346
>it's a public beta.
/Thread
>someone dies
>I-I-IT'S A BETA
>>55344346
It's that guys fault, if you are piloting a plane and turn autopilot on you still have to pay attention to what is happening and what the system is doing. Driving a car needs more complex software than flying a plane
>>55344346
How many deaths have there been due to cruise control and people misusing it?
>>55344346
Wait, this isn't a graphics card thread. What this doing on /g/?
Remotely disable the auto-pilot feature.
>>55344346
>>55344466
/thread
>HURR DURR ITS AUTOPILOT WHAT COULD GO WRONG
It's basically a fancy form of cruise control, Tesla should/could make that clear, but there are always stupid people.
Also, who crosses a highway in a tractor?
>>55344346
>It's over
Nope, it was the truck's fault. AI is usually not wrong.,
Re edit : the man who died was only a beta
>>55344436
This. Doesn't the software state that you still need to be attentive to traffic conditions while autopilot is engaged?
>>55344346
>Tesla's defense: it's a public beta.
They're done. That's not the kind of thing you 'beta test'.
>>55344495
>some of u guise are alright
that's what he gets for being a hippie
>>55344487
You must not live around any rural areas.
>someone dies
>courts rule the autopilot software maker has no liability
>two years later
>self-driving cars plunge into groups of schoolchildren just to save their driver
>"it's not our software's fault bro"
>ten years later
>unmanned oil tanker grounds off Alaska, spilling two million barrels of oil
>"Not our fault m8 deal with it"
This is a very slippery slope
>>55344487
Happens all the time here in Wisconsin. We even have highway signs saying no tractors. I think someone died maybe 4 years ago because a tractor didn't have his lights on while he crossed at night and someone ran into him.
Farmers can be pretty dumb too.
>>55344503
https://www.teslamotors.com/blog/your-autopilot-has-arrived
>>55344524
I don't care anymore, just let it all burn.
>>55344503
Yes, and that is also their defense.
It should be used the same way one would use cruise control, always alert and a foot on the brake
>drove under it
holy fuck, do you know what this means?
it saw the opening under the trailer and went to go under it
it didnt care about the person inside, nor the safety of the car, just going to its destination
S K Y N E T I S S O O N
>>55344487
>>55344521
>>55344540
a tractor-trailer is a big shipping truck you idiots. an 18 wheeler is a type of tractor-trailer
>>55344549
>>55344564
So basically the guy's a fucking moron.
I'm not saying he deserved to die. With few exceptions, nobody really DESERVES to die, and beyond that, who's relative judgement are we using to define such a sentence anyway? I'm getting off on a tangent.
Either way, he did something fucking stupid that he was already advised against doing.
>"I know the garbage disposal said to unplug it before trying to fish anything out of it, but it was my wedding ring, and I didn't think it'd be a big deal to do it once!"
>>55344524
My god, all that wasted oil, someone has to do something before all of that oil gets wasted.
>>55344616
Yes. I'm an idiot. He said who crosses the highway in a tractor. Farmers. Farmers often cross the highway in a tractor.
Fuck you.
>>55344524
>>two years later
>>self-driving cars plunge into groups of schoolchildren just to save their driver
fucking white knight no one gives a fuck. don't cross the street if u are afraid of self driving cars, jeezus
Someone died driving a car in a car accident and some of you are acting like this is a new phenomena. Are normal fatal car accidents just more acceptable to you idiots because human error is at fault and not a program?
It doesn't matter if people die because of Tesla's autopilot, it only matters if you are statistically more likely to die using autopilot than not. This should be obvious to the people on /g/ of all places.
>>55344652
A tractor is a truck.
GUISE I FOUND DEH VIDEO!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdBo2GmrKE4
>>55344524
When is self-driving children?
>>55344684
https://www.google.pl/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=tractor
Now shut up
>>55344616
>calling a truck a tractor
Murricans.
>>55344683
>it only matters if you are statistically more likely to die using autopilot than not.
Are you? Is this one case statistical proof of that?
The US government has started an investigation into Henry Ford's automobile company after a fatal crash.
This is the first step towards a recall of all Ford's automatic carriages.
A large carriage was galloping on a highway. The Ford automobile drove into it without braking, and the passenger was thrown out of his seat and into some nearby rocks.
Ford's defense: it's a public beta.
>>55344683
>Someone died driving a car in a car accident
Except he wasn't driving a car.
Tesla's software was driving the car.
>>55344788
I don't think the public has access to those numbers right now, but I recall there being a release of Google's California test numbers that looked kind of bad. That said, it's not surprising that Google's numbers would be bad in the beginning, but that's talking about accidents and not fatalities of course. This might be the first fatality in fact, but I don't know for sure.
We'll have to see how the statistics play out over time. It really seems like they should play in the self-driving vehicles favor, but obviously we can't know that.
>>55344850
Except Tesla's software isn't meant to drive a car, it's meant to help someone drive a car. The driver made no attempt to stop the car, and autopilot apparently didn't see the truck.
>>55344887
how do we know he didn't attempt to stop the car? maybe the software prevented him
How many miles of tesla autopilot have been driven in total now? And this is the first fatality? Surely the autopilot must be statistically safer, a crash once in a while is simply impossible to avoid.
![6429l4W76buj97[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/pMBWW3j.jpg "6429l4W76buj97[1].jpg")
>>55344540
most people forget their brain at home when they need to get somewhere.
i have been a part of a lot of near crashes because people are too stupid to follow regulations, and its fucking infuriating to see these dimwits have being issued a drivers license.
seriously, when hauling hay i am not even moving at 30km/h and still those fuckers manage to fuck up while overtaking me.
mostly because of impatience
>>55344871
I thought Google's numbers for their self driving cars were quite good, like only a bare handful of accidents of questionable blame but most of the accidents they were involved in weren't the fault of their cars.
>>55344887
should have installed Gentoo.
>>55344911
https://bgr.com/2016/06/30/tesla-autopilot-software-fatal-tractor-crash/
"This is the first known fatality in just over 130 million miles where Autopilot was activated. Among all vehicles in the US, there is a fatality every 94 million miles. Worldwide, there is a fatality approximately every 60 million miles."
The autopilot was drunk. Give it a dui and call it a day.
>>55344850
It doesn't matter. We need to wait and see if letting Tesla's software drive the car is more or less safe than letting people drive.
In case somehow you didn't know, we have a fucking terrible track record at driving the things ourselves. Car related fatality is the 9th highest cause of death in the 1st world. It should not be difficult for software to improve upon.
>>55344968
I'm just looking into it now. I don't know where I got the impression that Google's record was not so great. Apparently it's good but I guess dopey politicians want to see better rates than this despite it being better than human drivers already as far as accident rates are concerned.
And apparently the vast majority of accidents that Google has gotten into have a human drive to blame.
>>55344993
>Worldwide, there is a fatality approximately every 60 million miles."
They really shouldn't include India and China in these figures just to make USA look better.
>>55344798
BAN ASSAULT CARS!
wonderful self-drive memes. mercedes has a parking meme. i would LOVE them to dare use that in my country. some streets drivers are forced to drive half the car on the curb and parking in my street involves reversing at a 90 degree angle in a 2 metre wide street into a 30 degree ramp
If it turns out the driver is fully legally responsible and not the car manufacturer this could actually be a boost to develop it further.
>>55345102
These things clearly have it out for us.
>>55345058
For real though, Tesla should not into self-driving cars, they have no experience or deep understanding of AIs. Leave that shit to google.
>>55344453
Just this, they stated everywhere its not autopilot, its driver assistance and should not be left unmanned.
>>55344703
The cab is a Tractor unit which pulls a semitrailer, thus tractor trailer. It's perfectly correct to call the entire unit a Tractor trailer
In English "tractor" typically refers to the farm equipment, but the base word really just means "to pull"
>>55345195
Are there any other types of trailers?
>>55345242
Yes. Like campers, horse trailers and full trailers
>>55345164
You DO know who Tesla is partnered with in all this, right, champ?
Not to mention all of the Google and Apple employees Tesla has poached away from their automated driving programs already. It's all the same pool of people working on this, the logo on the project does not really matter. It's actually kind of frightening that you think that way.
>>55344346
You have to be really really really dumb to trust autopilot in glorious 2016.
Every auto-something is still in beta and this will be the case in 2017 and 2018.
Tesla doesn't need to defend anything at all. They're really clear that even if autopilot is on, the driver is still in absolute control of the vehicle.
Toyota doesn't recall cars when drivers wreck using cruise control
And certainly a software problem with autopilot would not mean Tesla would recall all of their cars. Some people have been driving their teslas for years now, many teslas on the road don't even have that feature to begin with.
“Neither Autopilot nor the driver noticed the white side of the tractor trailer against a brightly lit sky, so the brake was not applied,”
Maybe I'm missing something but doesn't it use radar which doesn't particularly care about a 'bright lit sky' to detect objects? Can't the radar detect objects far enough ahead or do they just use a camera?
>>55345152
i am shaking, dayum that look scary
>>55344382
>beta testing into production environment
some one is going to get fired, and its not me
>>55345430
The lefties are gonna do a sit in. People on watch lists shouldn't be allowed to own these things.
http://www.projectq.us/atlanta/three_gay_atlanta_men_killed_in_tragic_car_crash?gid=17507
Lol tesla started selling their first cars 8 years ago.
why would you think they would need to recall all of their cars for a software problem that is only even enabled on a fraction of them
>>55344524
I feel like the loss of crude oil is a much bigger economical than ecological impact
all that oil goes to waste, and they have to use more resources to get more of it
>>55345488
dude how fucking rich do you have to be to justify having vertical car storage space
>>55344346
lol rich people getting killed by their own decadence.
>>55344346
Was the driver asleep? How the hell do you not notice a semi in front of you and your car not slowing down.
I'd love to have autopilot stuff like that in my car
then I could be a true american and eat 2 burgers safely on my way to work
>>55345516
rich enough to afford 3 teslas and a ferrari
>>55345554
Here's that picture you guys are talking about. I didn't mean to upload it but oh well.
1.7% wood screws and all that
>>55344382
>you have to pay $3k to enable autopilot
>no hardware upgrade, literally $3k for a beta that can kill you.
Better learn to build and maintain your own vehicles, goys.
>>55345516
not much
>>55345195
>but the base word really just means "to pull"
Guess most cars should be called tractors then if they have a tow bar.
>>55344503
yup, same for every driver aid.
>back up cam tells you to check your surroundings before backing up
>blind spot monitoring tells you to check your blind spot before changing lanes
>auto-park tells you to be ready to take control
>autopilot tells you to remain attentive in case of an emergency
People think that driver aids will take away driver responsibilities and allow them to catch up on some reading or jack off or sleep while the car drives them to work. In reality self driving cars will be an expensive luxury that can't really be used since the driver now becomes a systems monitor. You have to make sure your car behaves on the road. People will become complacent because the car never errored until that one time. When that happens, the driver will try to sue only to have the manufacture's lawyers use the liability waiver the driver signed and face cam footage of the drive fucking off and make it a clean case of driver negligence. Had the driver not been trying to suck their dick in the back seat, he/she may have been able to prevent the wreck.
>>55345795
Another thing that comes to mind is maintenance of safety items on the car like brakes, suspension, tires, ect. People barely take care of those items as it is and probably won't when they get the autonomous car. The car will politely remind you that it has been a while since you changed the brake pads and that you should have then inspected. But it comes down to the driver to actually take the car in. Naturally most won't take their car in to get serviced because "THOSE FUCKERS WANA CHARGE ME 500 DOLL HAIRS JUST TO LOOK AT IT" and leave the car to traverse the roads with shot brakes and tires. Hopefully the car is made smart enough to know that it hasn't been serviced in awhile (ie its been awhile since a tech has reset all the maintenance reminders) and start driving slower and or maintaining longer following distances. Otherwise crashes of driverless cars will be come more common as the car gets older thinking that it can stop on a dime the way it could when it was new.
It wouldn't surprise me that there will be folks trying to bypass the service reminders if the car does gimp itself because the owner won't pay for servicing.
I'm guessing the car saw an opening under the truck and went for it, thinking a car just passed
>>55344346
>it over
kek does no one remember the Volkswagen and the ford pinto? anything that happens is pocket change
Tesla states everywhere that it's not meant to be a self driving car but a driving aid. Some idiot refuses to watch the road and died because of it. The only reason it's newsworthy is because it's Tesla.
>>55344764
Oh but it is a tractor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tractor_unit
europeen edukation, folks
>>55345242
a semi trailer is a trailer without a front axle.
>>55345795
My buddy is a pilot, and he refers to himself as a "systems analyst." He is also a drunk and gay. Checks alot of stereotype boxes.
>>55345666
And adult humans should be able to weigh those risks themselves. If they didn't get them to sign a waiver though, Tesla's fucked
>>55346448
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tractor_unit
>ameripedia
>>55346621
http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Road_freight_vehicle_statistics_-_lorries,_road_tractors_and_trailers
You stupid fucking slav
>>55344346
>This is the first step towards a recall of all Tesla cars
wew :^)
that's not how software updates work, buddy
2/10 bait, made me reply
>>55346668
Can you do it OTA in a Tesla?
>>55344524
your mom is a slippery slope after I was with her last night.
>>55344346
Tesla doesn't need a defense. It's the driver's fault. (Unless the trucker pulled out expecting the Tesla to break even though Tesla had right of way, then it is the trucker's fault. I didn't read it though so idk). Tesla's autopilot cannot override the driver's controls. This isn't like a stuck accelerator accident, then is a driver not paying attention.
>>55345578
>Nvidia CEO gets model X
my fucking nigga, i knew i made the right decision
>>55344346
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggWS4tTzs60
>>55344524
You're retarded. Every single accident improves every autopilot system both now and in the future. It is data the software learns from and adapts to, regardless of liability. The market will drive better autopilots far faster than rules and regulations based on ethical scenarios
>>55344346
>musk made his cars so that they will kill retarded cucks
based
>>55344503
>>55344436
Argument for operator vigilance on commercial airplane (which is only flown by professionals with multiple certificates and thousands of hours of training) may or may not hold up for personal automobiles (which only requires a driver's license, which almost anybody can get).
>>55347088
>mfw
>>55344899
The software cannot do that and also has a display showing the driver of all the cars it sees or danger it detects. If the driver detects danger but the car doesn't (no alarms going off) then they stop the car. The driver is the last line of defense, not the autopilot.
Also, the computer in the Tesla will have a log of if the driver depressed the decelerator or not, so that data will be in the investigation if it survived.
>>55345066
The Google handlers in charge of the cars usually intervene before the accident if the autopilot is to blame. They can make note of it and point out the error to the autopilot without needing to actually let it hit another vehicle.
>>55347212
So can Tesla drivers.
Personal car ownership should be illegal, period.
There is NO REASON to own your own personal vehicle, considering that an automobile is the most dangerous device created by personkind.
People who are pro gun control should be pro vehicle control, as more people die everyday at the hands of reckless people behind the wheel. Guns are peanuts compared to vehicles. If the terrorists really wanted to hurt us they'd sell us a material that powers these murdercages and allows us to drive them constantly.
Cars are fucking evil. The 1st world would literally be a better place if we removed ALL personal vehicles and supported a proper nationwide mass transit solution. Turn our asphalt killing fields into tree and park space, grass and bushes and flowers and beauty, not the blood and oil covered nightmare plateaus they are now.
Good. Automation is the worst thing to happen to cars yet.
There's already bills being pushed to try and create greener more efficient cars, soon enough there will be bills requiring automation and then driving yourself will be outlawed.
The more incidents like this the better. I want to drive my car myself and be able to modify it myself as much as possible. Fuck tesla and fuck elon musk.
>>55347330
b-but muh petro-dollar anon
>>55345666
That's the dopest shit I've ever seen.
>>55345666
>two wheel death trap
no thanks
>Truck at fault for turning through oncoming traffic
>Driver did not attempt to brake either
Tesla is fine legally. They need to improve their radar to detect "floating" object, but other than that whatever.
>>55344549
That's fucking dumb, though.
An airplane doesn't have to contend with all the shit that a car does.
If I have to sit their and babysit the car and be just as attentive as if I were driving the thing then what the fuck is the point?
My question is this;
Who the fuck makes a self-driving car that doesn't use Ladar, Radar or even fucking Sonar, relying instead soley on fucking visual reference?
>>55347089
So the problem is the licensing
>>55346679
Yeah, they'll even make a hotfix on the spot and push it to your car if it's spazzing out
>>55348485
You know how cruise control keeps your speed the same, without you having to press the pedal, but you still have to be aware in case you have to brake or something?
This is like cruise control for your steering wheel.
>>55345190
>autopilot
THEN WHY DID THEY CALL IT AUTOPILOT?
Fucking hell, the backlash from this is gonna either set autos back fucking years or show how rare crashes are and skyrocket their popularity.
Also, isn't this the first tesla death?
>>55348485
>If I have to sit their and babysit the car and be just as attentive as if I were driving the thing then what the fuck is the point?
You've never driven a car with radar guided cruise control on a long drive have you?
>>55348572
This guy gets it, thank you for dumbing it down for these idiots
>>55347330
You're a silly person.
>>55344346
A ban on seld-driving cars might keep millions of jobs safe worldwide . Quite honestly it's just as good an option as any other.
>>55347330
>>>/Gizmodo/
>>55348615
>might keep millions of jobs safe worldwide
>just as good an option
>>55345066
>It doesn't matter. We need to wait and see if letting Tesla's software drive the car is more or less safe than letting people drive.
See >>55344993
It's safer. And it's not letting tesla drive, it's letting tesla act as a second pair of eyes.
>>55348572
> but you still have to be aware in case you have to brake or something?
I wonder if people fathom the scale of stupidity they spew sometimes. Obviously not, otherwise you wouldn't write something so retarded, you had more than enough time to think it trough while typing.
Let me spell it out to you - no, self driving cars are not cruise control, they are literally autopilots. We have more than enough experience with autopilot and accidents because autopilot has been a reality in airlines for centuries.
And no. It's not possible for a human to react fast enough to safe a car from a crash if autopilot is running. The only reason it works on a plane is the significantly longer time pilots have to react to danger in the air. And yet a sizable amount of crashes still happen because of autopilots to this day.
If the tech isn't good enough for the cars to be 100% autonomous it should not be on a car.
If it's nowhere near that level, ban self-driving cars for 20 years until it gets there.
>>55348668
i dont get the rotary part
>>55347381
OOOOOO BROOOOOO MUH FULLY SICK V8 COMMODORE BROOOOOOOOO ITS GOT A FUCKEN TEEEEEERRRRRBOOOO BROOOO
fucking lebs, kill yourselves now.
>>55345666
nice triples
>>55348485
an aircraft has more to deal with than a car does. Cars have the luxury of being on the ground and only on the ground. Aircraft have shit that can happen on the ground and in the air. When a car wrecks its still on the ground. when an airplane wrecks it could be in flight and if the initial collision the second collision with the ground will. there a bunch of shit that aircraft have to deal with that cars don't.
>If I have to sit their and babysit the car and be just as attentive as if I were driving the thing then what the fuck is the point?
there really isn't a point other than bragging rights. Its a driver aid not driver replacement.
>>55347330
>personkind
>>55348850
>he doesn't appreciate technology in all its forms
>on a technology board
>>55348813
>I wonder if people fathom the scale of stupidity they spew sometimes
>autopilot has been a reality in airlines for centuries
>>55348813
>I'm an Incompetent Idiot: The Post
>>55348912
>>55348864
>an aircraft has more to deal with than a car does
The complete opposite.
Once a plane is in the air it's quite simple to keep it running.
There's a very nice case from years back in Greece, with a ghost plane with 200 dead people on board flying to it's destination and circling on a holding pattern for 8 hours until it ran out of fuel.
The other thing is most problems that could happen in the air take minutes and sometimes hours to develop. In crash you have to react in seconds.
So no. It's not the same. Self driving cars if the AI is not good are deathtraps.
>>55348912
The first true autopilots are as old as the 1950s.
>>55348953
>1950s
>centuries
>>55344524
>someone dies
>courts don't rule that driving is unsafe
>Driver plunge into groups of schoolchildren just to save himself
>courts don't rule that driving is unsafe
>manned oil tanker grounds off Alaska, spilling two million barrels of oil
>courts don't rule that driving oil tankers is unsafe
>>55348964
Decades. Whatever.
>muh precious English language
>>55348953
lel you sound like a bitter poorfag
>>55348982
>I wonder if people fathom the scale of stupidity they spew sometimes
The irony
It was going to happen eventually. Tragic but if a giant truck is pulling a U turn in front of your car put the book down and slam on your brakes.
Im sure some poor bastard was killed when cruise control first came out because he didnt have his feet by the pedals.
>>55344346
Recalls happen all the time. At worse they'll just disable the feature OTA and refund everyone.
>it's a self driving car
>but you have to keep your hands on the wheel and your feet on the break pedal and staring out the window prepared to react to a crash!
Technoretards are precious.
Listen you "smart" shits. How is that different from you fucking driving the car yourself?
Ban this shit. Problem solved.
>>55348966
Last time I checked the major reason for fatal car crashes - drunk driving - is quite illegal.
can you guys stop complaining
it's a BETA
that means it's subject to bugs it's a B E T A
they'll fix it on release
BETA.
The gayest thing about autopilot is it will actually follow the speed limit.
>>55349032
>the major reason for fatal car crashes
The major reason for fatal car crashes is humans driving cars. If cars were invented today you would ban them because they're unsafe.
>>55349032
Same as cruise control you fuck nuggets
But I guess you retards on /g/ don't drive any farther than the local McDonald's in your mom's Civic
>>55349032
>Ban this shit. Problem solved.
Ban people from driving cars? Sure ok, you'd save a lot of lives on the roads if you did that.
>>55349059
No you imbecile. It's not cruise control.
In cruise control you are still driving the car.
In self driving cars you're not driving the car.
That's why it's called a fucking self driving car.
>>55349074
>this autist is still in the thread
>>55345380
>buy this new car that drives so you don't have to
>but if it crashes it's your fault because you weren't paying attention
>>55349099
>NEW TECHNOLOGY HAS TO WORK PERFECTLY
>I SHOULDN'T BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR MY INEPTITUDE REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Go back to using Uber you fucking manchild holy shit
>>55349099
>>this autist is still in the thread
you're tappin out I see
>>55344346
This shit will find a crack in the road and think it is a line, proceeding to swerve into the other lanes.
Watch you shit when cruising anons. Not that /g/ would afford teslas anyway.
>>55349143
It should be pretty much perfect considering fuck ups result in death or serious injury.
>>55344346
Autopilot wasn't supposed to be autonomous. The retard should have been paying attention to the road and stopped the car themselves
>>55349175
You could say that about any technology that has the potential to kill a person, but guess what that's now how the world works
>>55348813
aircraft autopilot is pretty much cruise control. You dial in the speed, altitude, and heading you want to take, take off, engage autopilot, and the aircraft will maintain that heading. Some of them can have a destination plotted and will autoland (most pilots rarely use this outside of perfect conditions) but its only autonomous in vacuum in other words. The autopilot is not aware of its surroundings. It will not avoid collisions or weather. It will maintain a heading until the pilot disengages the AP and takes control. Kind of like how (standard) cruise control maintains speed until you gas or brake.
If anything you could say autonomous cars have more techno wizardy going on than aircraft autopilots.
And yes we should ban them till they get it right. but there are people willing to risk life for this luxury and pay money to be r&d test subjects. Early adopters can be a real bitch.
>>55349143
If your life depends on it, yes it should.
When Toyota was selling cars with slightly faulty gas pedals they had to recall their whole line.
This is the same. The AI is faulty. Recall the cars.
Better yet. Ban this from public use until it is perfect.
I shouldn't worry too much. A crash or two more and it will be banned in Europe anyway, but on principle I don't want Killbots zipping around the highways even in Murilardstan.
>>55349143
>COMPANIES MAKING AUTOPILOT SYSTEMS FOR PRODUCTS WHICH TRANSPORT PEOPLE IN 2 TONS OF METAL AT 100KMH CAN'T BE EXPECTED TO MAKE THEIR SYSTEMS FLAWLESS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
So did the driver get decapitated?
I always wondered what would happen if you hit a trailer like that
>>55348485
please just kill yourself you are very dumb read the post again
>>55349213
The autopilot is better than a human driver, you neanderthal.
>>55349240
Clearly not.
While it sucks I don' really have a problem with it. In the last week I've had 2 near misses (locking up the brakes) with people pulling out infront of me. the only 2 crashes I've ever had were from young female drivers pulling out infront of me. Roads are dangerous as fuck.
I'd take the risk of a autopilot crash if the odds were low enough. juts like I fly in planes knowing I could die.
>>55344606
DEVILISH
>>55349213
>but on principle I don't want Killbots zipping around the highways
Killer humans on the other hand are A-OK
>>55349213
>When Toyota was selling cars with slightly faulty gas pedals they had to recall their whole line.
They had to recall their cars because people were fucking idiots who couldn't tell the difference between the brake pedal and the gas pedal
Don't believe me? Maybe you'll beleive the NHTSA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%9311_Toyota_vehicle_recalls#NHTSA_investigations
And guess what, these crashes will be caused by idiots as well
>>55349258
The driver didn't even try to stop the car either
If that tractor had auto pilot this wouldnt have happened.
>>55345422
it's not radar, it's a camera
>>55349308
If humans didn't exist this wouldn't have happened.
>>55349336
So basically this guy >>55344606 is right?
The car literally thought it could shoot the gap.
>>55344346
How the fuck did the car not sense something like a tractor? What kind of sensors do they have? I guess a faulty sensor could cause a lot of problem. Cars are not manufactured and tested with the same scrutiny as a plane. It would be pretty stupid to think mass manufactured cars can be this reliable.
>>55344346 (OP)
This is comic gold! The irony!!
So this is the last video uploaded to his YouTube account. He probably thought 'Tessy' was going to save him and never did anything!!
https://youtu.be/y4bQBJ2Cfqk
>info sauce
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-30/driver-fatal-self-driving-tesla-crash-had-recently-posted-video-praising-cars-autopi
>buying a car that is connected to the internet
>>55350299
>tfw no cars running free software
>>55350299
>terrorists hack your car
>send you off a cliff
>>55348813
>hurr remove all driving assist because it's not a full blown AI
>>55346448
Prime mover is the word used here, never heard "tractor unit" before.
>>55344524
And that's how AI will kill all of us: by simulating "bugs". It's fucking genius.
>>55350407
>driving new Tesla car
>suddenly the doors lock and you can't move the peddles or steering wheel
>the car speed increases to 80...90...120 miles per hour
>green encryption text flashes over the windshield
>husky Russian voice says that you have 30 seconds to pay for the Bitcoin ransom
>die
>Tesla says "don't worry guys it's just a beta"
>>55348897
Weren't you just say automation should be be a thing?
Fuck off, idiot.
>>55350623
Shouldn't*
In other news, drunk driver kills family of 4
>>55347330
We definitely should have better public transport in America
>>55344487
This is what they are referring to. Don't ask me why they call it a tractor when it is a combination of a truck and trailer. It confuses me too.
>>55344346
>specifically has warnings that the autopilot feature requires you to have both hands on the steering wheel
>look ma no hands
>dies
good, darwin in action yet again.
Anybody expecting (or worse, trusting) the first few revisions of this sort of tech are fucking deluded. It performs well for what it is (especially considering how few sensors the Model S is actually equipped with) but it IS NOT full-on autonomous driving and Tesla screams that at people every chance it gets.
>>55344524
>it's the fault of the machine is a new argument
Top kek, this has long been established in the courts, the person who owns/ operates the machine is at fault even if it malfunctions especially when the thing specifically tells you that you need to exercise caution while operating it. You don't get a free pass if you mow people down in a car just because the software is running. The fact that you let the software decide where you're going is enough to get you on the hook for gross negligence.
>>55347089
>YFW Stupidity on the part of the prosecution is viewed as the fault of the defendant
>>55350794
Because that's what it is
>tractor |ˈtraktər|
>noun
>a short truck consisting of the driver's cab, designed to pull a large trailer.
>>55349053
>The major reason for fatal car rashes is humans driving cars.
Implying what? That before now there was an alternative method to drive a car that didn't involve humans? This must be the dumbest thing I've read today.
Plain and simple is this is a case of a stupid fuck who was overconfident in this technology and just won himself a Darwin Award.
Had he not been watching a movie and maybe looking at the road he would still be alive. Better yet, high probability he'd be alive now if he was driving the car himself. Who knows, maybe he wanted to suicide because he was watching harry potter.
>>55349282
Implying the driver was even paying attention because he was watching a fucking movie.
>>55345795
Self driving cars only work if the user doesn't need to drive at all, but we're not at that point, Tesla's current implementation specifically demands the user to pay attention because it's unfinished
but people take greater risks when they believe shit is safe, the average guy behind the wheel of a self-driving car is going to use that time to fucking relax instead of worry about what's happening up ahead
>>55348864
Cars have shit to collide with. Planes rarely do, unless they're flying obnoxiously low.
>>55345288
So if it's just one pool the companies are competing for, going for a CS degree in this area would be a good idea right?
>>55347330
not sure if pasta, but more or less this.
IMO, cars should be made much lighter and slower, public transport should be THE way of transport for everyone, unless you REALLY need a personal car. streets should be used exclusively for traveling long distances. small cars should be used in cities, but again, only when needed.
Fucking tesla
Google wouldn't have had this problem
>>55350291
Even with the shitty FOV of the dash camera, I noticed the truck incoming before the car reacted.
>post video to internet and boast about how cool my car is and how it saved me from a crash.
Well I'm not surprised he died.
>>55344346
Guess they had guys from AMD work at tesla. Even autopilot is driverless
>>55350557
top kek
>>Tesla says "don't worry guys it's just a beta"
more like
>buy our antivirus!
>>55344524
The quicker oil runs out, the quicker the oil companies can fuck off.
This is a good thing.
>>55345102
MILITARY-GRADE RAPID FIRE ASSAULT CARS
Self driving cars has been around for decades. It's called a taxi.
>“I really consider autonomous driving a solved problem”
>It's "much easier than you would think"
>>55351193
yup, and you can actually blame them when they wreck.
>>55345795
>until that one time
The important benchmark is 'better than human drivers'.
Once you've reached that you should feel safe jerking off instead of paying attention since if you were driving yourself it'd be more dangerous anyway.
Although that's not a very good argument since safety could always be better.
But still, statistically you could make the argument that the extra free time is worth it. Say if by monitoring the auto-drive gives you an extra 50 minutes of life on average by a decrease in deaths, that doesn't outweigh the 50 minutes every day you get free because you can jack off while the car drives itself
Ironically enough, if the truck-tractor was being driven by a computer it wouldn't have pulled out infront of the tesla
>It's over
Good.
>>55349099
>No you imbecile. It's not cruise control.
>In cruise control you are still driving the car.
>In self driving cars you're not driving the car.
>That's why it's called a fucking self driving car.
Teslas aren't designed to be fully autonomous. Cars designed from the ground up to be self driving first and foremost are still in development stages right now. They are expected to hit the roads before/by 2020.
This autopilot feature is a more advanced cruise control, and as such, you are required to pay attention at all times. In fact, it will beep every few minutes and you're supposed to touch the steering wheel, as this is to make sure you are ready to take control at any time. Otherwise the car comes to a stop.
Tesla makes this very clear that it is not to be treated as fully autonomous, and rather is just a tool to be used while driving.
>Implying what? That before now there was an alternative method to drive a car that didn't involve humans? This must be the dumbest thing I've read today.
He means that the overwhelming majority of traffic accidents are caused by human error, rather than the vehicle malfunctioning for example.
>>55351199
Solved and implemented are two very different things. The problems posed by autonomous are well known and for the most part addressable. Actually implementing systems that address these problems takes enormous volumes of data, highly reliable infrastructure, and the software to glue it all together.
Tesla is in the process of implementation, but that takes time and iteration. They're only in the initial few cycles right now.
>>55351261
I too relish the ideas of being stuck in smog-clouded traffic jams well into the 2050s.
>>55351291
>autonomous
*autonomous driving
>>55351216
it will be a while before car autonomy gets that good and even longer for laws to catch up. Tech may be good enough but law may still dictate that there must be at least one attentive person at the wheel.
So there will be a "click it or ticket" equivalent campaign making sure that every car has someone in the driver seat.
>>55347330
I've said the same thing unironically to people too. They tell me that they don't want to sit next to dirty poor people.
>>55351291
>I too relish the ideas of being stuck in smog-clouded traffic jams well into the 2050s.
I'll take stuck in a traffic jam over can't drive my own vehicle any day.
>>55351348
That's fine, the higher death rates of self-drivers will remove your from the gene pool
>>55351365
ebin
>>55351348
Is
>>55351335
the real reason?
>>55344975
>get tesla
>anon said install gentoo so gentoo it is
>car wont start or move
>car asks what is move and what is car
>>55344346
>This is the first step towards a recall of all Tesla cars
what? if anything, they would just demand that the cars' autopilot features be disabled (and even that would be pretty aggressive).
i don't know how people on /g/ can be this naive and stupid.
>>55344975
>install Gentoo on a Tesla
>tfw it's actually been done
>>55350873
Are you really operating it if it is operating itself? What about Google style cars that don't have a steering wheel or other means for the occupant to drive the car?
>>55351578
Doesn't matter. The bills being made put the human "driver" as the operator and responsible.
>>55348840
it's the watermelon
>>55351348
I think I'll trust a machine driving with the combined experience of thousands of drives across billions of miles over whatever comparatively anemic experience I might have.
>>55351766
It has nothing to do with whether the machine or me is the better driver, it's the fact that I want to drive my damned vehicle.
>>55351782
I have no such desire. Just get me from where I stand to where I'm going in a reasonably speedy, comfortable, and safe manner. That's all that matters.
If I somehow procure a taste for driving there's always closed courses, much how ranches exist for horseriding enthusiasts.
>>55344911
>>55344993
>>55348683
fatalities per million miles isn't really a fair way to calculate how safe/dangerous the autopilot is, there's about a thousand confounding factors like,
>the autopilot is mainly used as glorified cruise control and disabled for any technical or tricky driving (where accidents are more likely)
>the novelty of it could well mean people are actually paying more attention while its on (a lot of people are paranoid about technology and would watch the autopilot like a hawk)
>a tesla car is far more likely to be in good repair with high quality brakes, good airbags etc., which makes it innately safer than the average shitty beater car included in the other statistics
>including stats from shitty third world countries
There's no way to say for sure (yet) if it's more or less safe than a normal car, the sample size is way too small to draw any real conclusions
>>55351853
>there's always closed courses
Fuck that. I love seeing how many cities I make it to in a day, I just take random backroads and find my way home. Driving in a circle will never compare.
>>55348485
nigga can you fly a plane?
no? thought so
can you drive a car?
of course everybody can drive a fucking car
shut the fuck up
>>55350557
KEK
>>55352069
USA doesnt have bicycle catchers?
>>55352069
Only slammed/stanced cars could ever hope to fit under a trailer like that. They are just too damn low.
Wait why was he using the driver assistance as if it was a fully autonomous self dreiving feature?
It's cruise control on steroids, not a fucking driveless car.
>>55352137
I can count the number of times I've seen them on one hand
>>55349167
>Not that /g/ would afford teslas anyway.
get out AMD poorfag, us nvidia users can buy 2 model x's
>>55352069
Those side guards are for the cyclists/people, not cars.
Collisions with heavy trucks are not common, more lives could be saved if people wore helmets consistently.
>Only 27% (35 of 129) of those who died as the result of a cycling collision were wearing a helmet. Despite mandatory legislation, only 6.25% (1 of 16) of cyclists under the age of 18 who died were wearing a helmet. Those cyclists whose cause of death included a head injury were three times less likely to be wearing a helmet than those who died of other types of injuries.
http://www.mcscs.jus.gov.on.ca/english/DeathInvestigations/office_coroner/PublicationsandReports/CyclingDeathReview/DI_Cycling_Death_Review.html#case
>>55352045
I'd say then compare it to deaths in Teslas without it on, but I'm pretty sure this is the first, which really fucks the statistics.
>>55352333
I was pretty sure most countries had under ride guards were meant for bikes not cars.
http://www.underridenetwork.org/side-underride-guards/
Just seeing if my bans over don't mind me
>>55352416
gtg
>>55352137
I've genuinely never seen them on a US truck unless it was from an international shipping company like Maersk.
It's more common to see thin sheets of metal hanging down from those spots as aerodynamic aids rather than crash protection.
>>55352226
>>55352431
wtf america get your shit together
on the other hand you dont have as many bicycles as here in the netherlands so yeah maybe they arent needed as much there but they work for motorbikes or cars too, a loaded truck drives over it like its nothing once you get stuck under the trailer
Time to implement more than just OCR
>>55352396
which is exactly my point, so why even bring up this guard in an accident like this ?
Like some flimsy metal tubing would have stopped a 4,000 pound car.
>>55352475
What's even the point of them? Is there some issue with people trying to bicycle under semi trailers?
>>55345666
>>55348204
What am I looking at here?
>>55352516
no its to prevent retards falling or driving under it since its the trucks blind spot
or when turning or going around a corner there is a big change you take a retard on a bike trying to overtake a truck with you so its to prevent them from being squissed
>>55350794
Well, you can be like a britfag and call it a lorry, or call it an 18 wheeler or big rig, like most normal red blooded Americans!
>>55344346
Did the passenger get decapitated?
>>55344346
They don't make dem goddamn somabitch cars like they used to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-pHuT2666s
>>55344346
Wouldn't have happened if it was an eg civic
>>55349258
>hurr durr, human drivers never ever crash
>>55345152
Kraut car with USA inspired paint scheme
2/10 made me respond
>>55344346
Good, Elon is a fraud.
>>55353620
you misspelled RMS
>>55351291
>Solved and implemented are two very different things
Maybe in mathematics but surely not in engineering. Too many factors which could go in a different way than how you have modeled them. Until you have a prototype that actually works it's not solved
>>55345858
>smart self-driving car
>can't drive itself to the shop
He was watching Harry Potter but this is totally Tesla's fault lol
http://jalopnik.com/man-killed-in-self-driving-tesla-was-watching-harry-pot-1782935648
>>55344346
How the fuck is it possible for an "autopilot" to fuck up breaking for something gigantic as a tractor and trailer?? Fucking piece of shit
>TESLA fags will defend the meme car no matter what
