I love restoring old computers, don't you?
restoring a color imac was enjoyable. apple stuff has a certain charm to it
>>55312976
I do.
It feels just great.
>>55313696
Man, I remember using that sucker, nice dude.
>>55313740
This is awesome, bifibro!
Neat / 10
I'm itchy
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Commodore-Pet-4032-4016-Vintage-Computers-System-1-POWER-ON-TO-PROMPT-1-AS-IS-/231963426378?hash=item360218fe4a:g:77AAAOSw9N1VlG-U
>32k model
>the startup screen only indicates 16k
I'm willing to gamble that that's not the original motherboard and they just swapped a 4016 board into the case at some point, possibly because the original board fucked itself. Also the CRT appears to have some adjustment problem because it shouldn't have the picture start halfway down the screen.
>>55312976
Restoring them for what?
NOBODY WANTS THAT SHIT EXCEPT NOSTALGIC IDIOTS!
>>55314023
You must be 18 to use this website.
>>55314023
I'm 23 and own many old computers and hardware, most of it made way before I was born.
Also I never owned them in my youth, so how does it make them nostalgic for me?
I find them very interesting and enjoy using them.
You point is invalid. You even fail at simple trolling.
>>55314118
same
>>55312976
That really should be recycled so we can make meaningful devices like iPhones.
>>55313942
They tried marketing the PET as a business computer but it bombed in the US (pretty popular in Yurop though). No CP/M+no RS-232+no Centronics+only 32k of memory makes Johnny a dull boy.
>>55312976
it makes my dick hard, hearing that old windows startup sound after slaving away to restore a nice 90s computer
>>55314195
Kek, nice one. Made me chuckle.
r8
>>55314200
This is a Yuropoor 3016. The US model was referred to as PET 2001-N, but they couldn't use the PET name in Europe because Philips owned that, so they were just called CBM 30xx over there.
To me these always seemed too toy-like to be a credible business computer, like the main use of them is to type in silly BASIC programs from 101 BASIC Computer Games.
>>55314277
neat
>>55314277
I'd love to pick one of these up and put a modern Mini-ITX build on the inside, maybe even gutting the monitor area and putting a nice LCD panel in there.
>>55314304
>>55314250
>>55314195
>>55314023
How many more times you gonna samefag this?
>>55314273
PentiumIII/10
>>55314277
It doesn't seem like a real PET to me without the weird-ass keyboard.
>>55314314
what are you talking about?
>>55314314
Uh, hi, I'm >>55314304 and I just got here. Politely fuck yourself.
>>55314336
Good idea.
>>55314304
There are broken machines with corroded motherboards and broken CRT's, sadly people don't advertise them and you gotta find one in a huge pile of garbage somewhere.
>>55314366
>>55314336
Yeah I can edit screencaps in MS Paint too.
>>55314382
I'm on Linux, bitch, I thought you GNU.
>>55314382
Man, you can't even troll.
You can clearly see those two post's where posted almost at the same time >>55314336 >>55314337
>hurr I'm only pretending to be a retard
>>55314304
This is the same guy who makes fish tanks with toaster Mac cases.
>>55314407
Not at all, I just think it would be awesome to actually use an old Commodore as your day-to-day work machine.
>>55313862
>Man, I remember using that sucker, nice dude.
It's a pretty nice machine. But the lack of a FDD-controller makes me sick. Loading software from tape is a pain in the ass.
>This is awesome, bifibro!
I'm still in love with this machine. And my kids love it too.
After the C128 i switched to Atari (520ST/1040STE/Mega 1) and was happy with this decision. But today i'm thinking about to get something Amiga... When my other computers are up and running...
If you like Bifi too, go to Ansbach Germany. The factory outlet is the best shop i have ever been.
>>55314449
>use an old Commodore as your day to day work machine
>put an ITX motherboard in the case
>>55314449
how about a TRS-80?
For those who remember, i did pick this AST 286 yesterday and I can tell you I am shocked on what I got, got it for around 80$ and was def. worth it gonna post pictures soon
there was a line of buyers for it too so had a lot of interest and thank good the guy was local to me so I was the first one to come look at it and snap it, also got the keyboard with white MX swithces and nice CGA/EGA color monitor
I still cant believe what a beast it is,it weighs almost 60 ponds, Im dead serious
>>55314514
>It's a pretty nice machine.
My family had a Amstrad CPC when I was a kid, I remember loading stuff from the tape, damn, it was a long machine.
>Atari (520ST/1040STE/Mega 1)
I remember a ST from my youth, the default green background of TOS.
>But today i'm thinking about to get something Amiga
I just recently got it, I'm still waiting for all the stuff I ordered for it to start modding it, never really messed around with a real Amiga before, had a half broken 500 when I was younger and I remember them because my older brother had a few and let me play games on it.
I always stayed up to date with Amiga stuff, now I'm gonna beef it up and make it a nice machine, gonna be a faster bastard then my brothers beefed up Amiga 1200.
>If you like Bifi too, go to Ansbach Germany.
Man, I will go to Leipzig some time soon, but that's a distance from Leipzig, would have to make it worth it and get a truck full of Bifi.
>>55314612
I'm happy for you! I remember your original thread.
Please keep us up to date!
Man, I would love a CGA/EGA monitor for my 8088! Suckers are so hard to find.
>>55314667
It's actually incredibly easy to use a VGA monitor with a CGA output since you just need a line doubler, but that doesn't deal with the intensity pin so you'll only be left with 8 colors. However it shouldn't be too hard to build a circuit for the intensity pin.
>>55314708
I know, it's a scandoubler. They are like 15€ on eBay.
But I'll stick to the MDA display until I find a real CGA/EGA one.
feelsgoodman
>>55314655
>I remember a ST from my youth, the default green background of TOS.
That green is the one thing i don't miss... i prefered to use a monochrome monitor.
>I just recently got it, I'm still waiting for all the stuff I ordered for it to start modding it, never really messed around with a real Amiga before, had a half broken 500 when I was younger and I remember them because my older brother had a few and let me play games on it.
>I always stayed up to date with Amiga stuff, now I'm gonna beef it up and make it a nice machine, gonna be a faster bastard then my brothers beefed up Amiga 1200.
sounds like fun. but i have to many other machines around that need some work and to less time... but maybe...
>Man, I will go to Leipzig some time soon, but that's a distance from Leipzig, would have to make it worth it and get a truck full of Bifi.
do it. last time i've been there i got some Bifi hot. If you buy one at a gas station (the only place you can get them regulary), it's about 1,50€. In the factory outlet i paid 7,80€ for a box of 40.
No. I like throwing away garbage.
>>55314788
Man that's a lovely family up vintage computing power!
>>55314799
How is it garbage?
It would be garbage if it's obsolete, but by definition it can't be obsolete if someone has a use for it, be it even entertainment.
I fail to see your point...
>>55314799
so you are wasting your life?
>>55314800
thanks m8, maybe i'm a bit to nostalgic...
>>55314813
Wasting my life by not wasting hours on garbage? and filling up my home with garbage?
sure
>>55314833
You are shutposting on /g/ right now.
At least the retro fags are enjoying themselves.
I fucking fail NOT to see the irony in here.
>>55314839
I'm enjoying myself, but i don't have my home filled with garbage tech.
>>55314859
tell us your prefered hobby
>>55314871
Irrelevant.
>>55314859
So you got told and now find another reason, aka it's taking up space.
From the pictures I see here, people have them nicely sorted and cleaned.
As for myself, I have a huge house and have no problem having one room aside for my hobbies.
>>55314895
>now find another reason, aka it's taking up space.
No, that was my original point. I like throwing away garbage.
>>55314833
>>55314859
>garbage
>people are literally paying shitloads for that stuff on ebay
wat
>>55314871
faggotry
>>55314947
Seems about right!
>>55314924
>defending Ebay scalpers
http://www.ebay.com/itm/TRS-80-Model-III-Micro-Computer-Radio-Shack-Powers-ON-to-Cass-/322122971043?hash=item4b000677a3:g:tLcAAOSwQaJXR0N1
No. You go to hell and you die.
>>55314959
>defending Ebay scalpers
Nah, I don't like those fags who don't know shit about what they sell and make the base price delusionally big.
I buy things only from local ad's when I find them, never paying over a couple dozen bucks.
But I don't like to box them away and just have them as a collectors item. If I don't use it, I might as well sell it.
I always start the auction with base price of one dollar, it's not my fault they bid so much that the end price is as much as ten time the price I payed for the item.
>>55315016
>>55313942
>$1000
>>55315076
Exactly
>>55314959
>>55315016
after my old one died, i got this
>>55313740
back in 2001 for 27DM (about 14€) on ebay. C128D, monitor, mouse, two joysticks, printer and a truckload of software.
ebay had good times but now they are gone and i have to agree.
http://www.ebay.de/itm/ULTRA-RARE-VINTAGE-ATARI-FALCON-030-COMPUTER-VGC-BOXED-/291751138358?hash=item43edb91436:g:XsAAAOSwdGxXIyfy
>>55313942
Doesn't that indicate there's bad RAM if it's a 32k model and doesn't show 32k?
>>55315287
No. For one thing, it shows 15359 bytes free which is exactly what a 16k PET should show. Commodore 64s do a RAM test on startup and if there's a bad chip they'll show less than 38911 bytes or else ?OUT OF MEMORY IN 0. The PET doesn't do a RAM test though (beyond I think a brief scan to see how much RAM is present). If a RAM chip is bad, you'd get a screenful of garbage.
>>55315374
How do you know so much about PET's?
Are you a veterinarian?
>>55315374
>>55313942
Dude, pay more careful attention. There's _two_ PETs in the auction there. One is a 4016 which is the one shown powered on. The other is a 4032 and they don't show that powered on so apparently it's not functional.
fucking hipsters....
>>55315609
Soo, you just keep them on that rack and power them up from time to time to show off?
Wait, who are you calling a hipster?
>>55315744
yes
>>55314895
>As for myself, I have a huge house and have no problem having one room aside for my hobbies.
This. Why should I leave rooms empty, if i can have fun there, enjoying my hobby...
>>55315931
Yeah, don't know what people have against old hardware, it's the most innocent hobby ever.
>>55315962
>innocent
the good old times... https://youtu.be/tujh_7QsR-A
>>55316049
KEK, you should see the Atari 2600 ones
I spent my weekend restoring a couple 90's era computers.
No nostalgia involved, my customers factory runs on them and the place is using Novell Netware for the internal network...
They are considering an upgrade but the software the machines run from was designed for dos and will not work on anything later than maybe windows 9x.
Guess who had a lot of "fun" trying to change the nic driver for a novell install on Dos6.2...
Doing something for pure nostalgia would make a pleasant break from my dayjob really.
>>55316095
hahaha, i only remember custers revenge - great gameplay.
>>55316188
come on, it's not that hard. NE2000 is a nice thing, also is Novell Netware. I had a lot of fun in this job at these times.
What's your customers business?
>>55316188
>>55316324
I did a 8088 with a Etherlink III RJ45 NIC a while ago, got MS Network client to work, could transfer stuff over the net from my other PC and also mount shares as drives, very handy and useful, especially for games and demos, when all you have is an 8bit HDD interface with a 20MB drive.
>>55316324
Cartographics, and printing foils. The pcs running things were literally falling apart - AT systems where the power supplies had been replaced, leaving the switch dangling out the side of the case, the original switch left in place with a stump of wire trailing out, caps bulging, hard drives having click-fits, you name it, it was going wrong through age. Replaced and upgraded but had to get the dos install to see the new nics, and bearing in mind my first encounter with dos was with windows 98 - I'm only 32, Dos is nearly a lost art to me.
I learned a lot this weekend though. It all works and they have 2 working printers now when they only had one very unstable one last week.
I could see a lot of nice features that Dos had that seem to be gone now from modern OSs - apart maybe from linux but dir vs ls is just the top of THAT can of worms...
>>55315016
Lol no you are the exact same as a nostalgiafag buying them, you are no different just because you have your snowflake thoughts post purchase. RARE VINTAGE OEM.
I don't do it myself but I appreciate you doing it.
>>55317817
I only buy hardware I'm interested in, there's two local ad's right now for a 286 and a 8088, both for under 20€ and one is a full set.
But I don't buy them, because I'm not interested, also I own already one of them, without any nostalgia related (never owned one as a child or used one as a child).
I only sell hardware when I lose interest, I don't want them to gather dust in a corner in my room, then I use the money I get to invest in hardware I'm interested in the moment in the moment or long run.
>>55314118
not the tranny you were replying to, but there is a phenomenon of group/socio-historical nostalgia, i.e. hipsters.
>>55317200
I'm 39 and had to learn it in school... DOS is nice. pretty easy to use and near to the hardware.
>I learned a lot this weekend though.
I'm glad you see it from this angle. You can learn so much from older systems - if you just want.
>>55318103
Dunno about hipsters, but I'm qutie antisocial and have been interested in technology way back as a child, before I knew anything about the world or even knew English, I loved to tear apart electronics and put them back together. I have always enjoyed learning about hardware and software, how they work and their history.
>>55318104
>>55318148
>You can learn so much from older systems
Yes, that's so true, I learned assembly thanks to DOS and the need to tweak newer drivers for older systems.
>>55317200
>dir vs ls
[spoiler]next time at a DOS prompt try dir/w[/spoiler]
>>55318269
A:\dir c:\novell\client32\*.cfg /w
Usually followed by
A:\edit c:\novell\client32\startnet.bat
And yes i was working from the floppy drive because there was something wrong with the command.com on the host machine where it would crash after loading autoexec.bat every damn time. Tracked THAT gem to the mouse.com entry in autoexec (it was eating up too much memory on the new machine despite having the same amount of physical ram), once i rem'd that it booted to C okay and i was able to cd into the necessary directories but augh that first few hours...
Hey guys how much is a toshiba t1200 worth these days?
I can get one pretty easy but sire if the price is good
>>55318501
I would say about around 40€. There is one on eBay at this moment for 50€ instand buy.
>>55319740
Thats what people ask wich amny times isnt what its worth. You cant base worth on what people try to sell it for
>>55320028
Worth is a subjective decision. But it's price should be around 40€.
>>55314333
>dat map
wew
I just lost my Amiga 1200 & 500 Plus
>>55314655
>gonna be a faster bastard then my brothers beefed up Amiga 1200.
You should've just sprang for the Amiga 1200.
I also have this puppy installed, though I've not bought any extras for it
>>55312976
Yes, I have a problems
>>55321491
what problems ?
>>55312976
So I have a CNC DRO that is basically an old computer. It has 74 series logic and a Z80 processor.
The power supply was fucked. Can I just power it from a 5v rail out of a ATX power supply?
is 1.5- 30 amps gonna blow it up?
>>55312976
>actual technology discussion
>on /g/
Please tell me I'm dreaming.
>>55320666
How comes? Hole in the pocket?
What's the best solution to add a hdd to c64/128?
If this any good?
http://news.ide64.org/
>>55322459
God dam spelling mistake oops, I meant love*
Though the 500 plus does have some problems like some of the keys not working and slight yellowing
>>55322510
turbo chameleon nigger
>>55321491
Hi dad
>>55322142
The Z80 at least should run on 5V, I can't imagine the rest of the system is any different. If you still have the original supply, you can probably at least figure out what needs to go where.
Wish I could tell you more, but I don't really tinker with stuff that early very often.
I'd love to get into this but I have no idea where to even look for them. Everything on eBay seems to be $100+, and I'm a yuropoor
>>55323378
i have the money, but i'm shit with electronics
>>55323378
recyclers, thrift stores, family members and friends, whatever your local equivalent is to craigslist
everyone's got some old shit laying around somewhere
>>55323442
you don't really have to be super knowledgable about the hardware level unless you're dealing with 40+ year old gear
if you just want something to play around with that's old, look at '90s kit, it's different enough that there's some excitement and novelty to it, but still familiar and modern enough for someone to get some use out of without having to work too hard at it
>>55323534
i can't solder a board even if my life depended on it... what fun is it without going to that level?
>>55323444
on that note, just ask around. people discard so many things it's unbelievable. but you'll never find anything if you don't ask.
>>55323580
building with larger components, exploring computing history, new software, developing on new platforms, making old shit do new things
personal computers in general are made of pretty ultra-reliable components, and besides, if it really disturbs you that much, go learn to do, it's not difficult if you care enough
>>55324269
this desu
my current shitbox habit enabler at the local thrift store sells me whatever the fuck I want off of their back room recycle pallet for $5 each and all I had to do was ask if they had any old shit laying around
>>55314612
White MX switches are shit tho
>>55315609
Why is all that shit plugged in yet you can't comfortably use any of it?
I have a Commodore 1541 floppy drive with a fried ROM chip due to a faulty voltage regulator. I'd love to replace the regs and install a new chip but they cost so fucking much holy shit.
>>55314612
blog it soon lad, that thing looks sweet as shit
>>55314514
Kevin?
>>55324605
I don't have the floor space after being forced into this shitbox apartment. At least I can have it out and not sitting in a box in some shitty storage container out here in the desert. Frankly, I'm glad I was able to keep even some of my old stuff. You'd probably shit bricks if I told you all what I had to get rid of.
>>55312976
Where do you find old computer hardware like this?
One of my bizzare dreams is to take the outer shell of one of these old computers and stuff new parts into it.
>>55323444
>>55324293
Where do you find these thrift stores that don't immediately "recycle" (i.e. ship to African landfill) everything computer related and completely bar any access?
I'm having trouble finding even the most generic of shitboxes right now. I just want a Pentium 166 rig but everywhere I look it's just jews who want $300 for their Compaq POS because they were born before it was manufactured and they read on facebook how old computers are rare and worth money.
I used to find shit from a nearby e-waste center occasionally but it got shut down a few months ago.
>>55313740
I bet that kid got bored in 5 minutes and got up to do something else. They always do.
>>55314304
Fuck you.
![IMG_20160629_201535[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/VSwV8qv.jpg "IMG_20160629_201535[1].jpg")
>>55314667
>>55324543
>>55324992
gonna do it soon, maybe not in this thread but soon, college takes a lot of time and stress
right now Im refurbishing some monochrome monitors, one is already done except some few minor adjustments and a final wipe down, other one has very minor burn in but is just as good
>>55314304
>I'd like to destroy this working rare and collectible piece of tech that people would kill to have just the way it is for some one-time hipster novelty that I will quickly regret when I actually try to use it for anything beyond looking cool to a couple virgins in the guts blog
gets me every time
>>55325127
have you asked to see a manager and tell them about your interests? it really depends from place to place, and who's in charge, it also probably helps to try and not sound like a slimy reseller, that's probably how I got half the deals I did
>>55325170
No. She plays Bubble Bobble regulary and likes it.
>>55325031
Who?
>all these people with the space to store retro computers
Oh my god I fucking wish
I wouldn't have to sell my Amiga 500.
Insistently, anyone in the UK want to buy an Amiga 500?
>>55325423
Yes, multiple stores. I'm pretty much told to fuck off, not selling it because of data liability since we can't be assed to clean the hard drives, and one store straight up told me "try looking on ebay". I specifically mention that I am a hobbyist only.
>>55325603
i would be interested, what are you selling with it and how much
Old tech is boring, wtf.
Why would you care about some old shit, you can't even sell it for any good cash.
Just buy a good system and enjoy that, wtf more do you need?
>>55325724
>you can't even sell it for any good cash
Yeah you can. As long as it's not totally useless like an ISA modem card or an old ass inkjet printer with no ink cartridge spares in existence.
>>55325712
Well technically it's an A500+. Obviously industry standard tested via Lethal Weapon. Comes with a shit load of disks (some work, some don't, even got some amiga magazine disks) and what's in this picture. Don't know, £80? We can work something out as you're a /g/ent.
Got another one, plain A500 as is, still working, but just the unit - no cables or disks.
>>55318104
>DOS is nice. pretty easy to use
Do ho ho ho.
falcon atari is best atari
>>55325796
So that's an atari falcon. Shit's apparently rare, so I heard on the RCR podcast.
>>55325127
>I'm having trouble finding even the most generic of shitboxes right now. I just want a Pentium 166 rig but everywhere I look it's just jews who want $300 for their Compaq POS because they were born before it was manufactured and they read on facebook how old computers are rare and worth money.
I was perusing Ebay and I noticed how TRS-80 CoCos are dirt cheap. IDK why, but they haven't been affected by price gouging (for comparison Z80-based TRS-80s are selling for absurdly high money).
>>55317200
>Replaced and upgraded but had to get the dos install to see the new nics, and bearing in mind my first encounter with dos was with windows 98 - I'm only 32, Dos is nearly a lost art to me
You little pussy, you. I'm only 28 and I've used them longer than you. I've used everything going back to Windows 3.1 and I've used a Commodore 64 even.
>>55325831
Clearly you haven't seen the prices of CoCo3s lately. I've looked around some forums and apparently some cunt is driving up the bids, buying a whole bunch of them and trying to corner the market. Same thing is going on with Cosmac ELF stuff.
>>55312976
Gotta love debugging the RAM.
>>55325374
Not him. But for me it's ok to get something like
>>55314541
Or a dead machine and build something nice from it. Even better than dumping it.
http://retropc64.jimdo.com/bilder-128d/
![imacg4_2002_03-287566[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/5XQ7aRg.jpg "imacg4_2002_03-287566[1].png")
>obsolete computers
bleh, garbage.
>>55322965
This is the only 10+ year old computer that I would be interested in owning. The G4 iMac looks so cool and I would still use a machine like this.
>>55325779
He's right though. COMMAND.COM is easier to use, it's just less capable than a bash terminal, which, no shit, it's Microsoft software.
The commands are closer to actual english and far easier to remember, and being a single-user system the complexity is further reduced.
What operation is more complicated in MS-DOS than in a Linux CLI?
What do we think of the 5150? Pretty legendary computer. Watching a bid on ebay. Might consider it if it's cheap enough.
>>55314396
...There must be a minute or more between samefag posts or else they are different users. 4chan has a post timer, and those posts are less than 30 seconds apart, meaning they must be different posters.
>hurr I'm only pretending to be a retard
You must be a method actor.
>>55325920
Gentlemen, I give you Average Mac User (TM).
>>55325772
>Yeah you can. As long as it's not totally useless like an ISA modem card or an old ass inkjet printer with no ink cartridge spares in existence
I think old inkjets/lasers are more useless than dot matrix printers since you can still get new ribbons for a lot of models and the printers themselves are still manufactured (as long as a gas station exists, there will be a DMP).
However, it should also be trivial to make your own printer ribbon since it's nothing but a strip of cloth/Mylar with an ink coating.
>>55325876
I never looked at CoCo 3s, only the 1/2.
>>55325099
>Where do you find old computer hardware like this?
You should have been around in the 90s when thrift stores were packed to the gills with toaster Macs, 286 PCs, Apple IIs, etc.
>>55325558
That Commodore 64 port of Bubble Bobble sucks anyway. Go play that on the NES or Amiga or MAME or anywhere else.
>>55326193
Funny now they're sought after and highly valued.
>>55322142
>>55322965
Be careful there. If that's a CP/M box it could have 4116 DRAM (but it also might not). Those chips have triple voltages, +5, -5, and +12, and the -5 must come on first at power up or they'll self-destruct.
>>55313696
>CPC 464
Breddy gud
Now I have this IBM Thinkpad 380D with Windows 95 OSRB and it has a dead clock battery. Which is trivial to replace, but this computer is a little bitch and will not boot up unless you replace the battery. I've never seen another PC that actually refuses to boot at all if it has a dead clock battery.
>>55326231
You think the same might happen to Pentium 4 and C2D machines? Or are they just too mass-manufactured to be collectable?
>>55326311
They're MORE likely to be because most of them just get scrapped. People don't hold onto those like they would a Commodore 64. It's hard anymore to find 386/486/Pentium PCs since most were scrapped. They were mostly just seen as an appliance similar to a toaster or a microwave.
>>55314612
no way that kb has white cherrys
more like white alps
>>55326311
I'm 28, my first Windows computer was a piece of shit, barely ran quake, and took about a week to start up - that's even with the nostalgia goggles. But I'd pay a lot to have it back, and I know I'm not the only one.
If you have the room, I'd keep a hold of them (and give them a clean every once in a while)
The nice thing about the ZX Spectrum is that it's entirely made from TTL. There's no proprietary ICs like in Commodore machines and almost everything in there is still manufactured/readily obtainable aside from the 4116 DRAM however they now have an adapter board to replace it with modern SRAM.
http://lotharek.pl/product.php?pid=147
>>55326363
That's pretty damn fascinating.
I would love to make my own 8-bit CPU from scratch. Off topic, but whatever.
>>55325940
An XT is better especially the late 256-640k motherboard model which lets you use 101 key keyboards.
>>55326363
You could easily adapt this to work on an Apple II+ or TRS-80 or anything else with 4116 DRAM which is not very reliable, uses a lot of power, and is kind of getting harder to find than it once was.
I'm not sure if it would work on a Colecovision or arcade machines with dedicated video chips though, those usually have a more complicated architecture than the Apple II or Spectrum where the CPU drives everything.
>>55326509
Yeah that's true. The Colecovision is somewhat unusual for a game console in that it has DRAM while they generally have SRAM (at least in the cartridge era).
>>55326363
This also applies to the Apple II/II+ though not later models which switched to proprietary ICs that incorporate several functions on one chip. It did improve reliability and lower power consumption, but if an IC in an IIe goes bad there's no source for replacements except pulls from dead machines.
>>55326363
Speccys also use a standard cassette recorder for storage, so you can save and load files from your PC by plugging it into the headphone/mike jacks. That's also not possible on the C64 with its proprietary digital tape recorder.
>>55312976
>old computers
for what purposes? They serve absolutely none of my needs and take up space for something that is of absolutely no value to me.
>>55326724
>I hate learning things
I agree that price gouging on Ebay is disgusting and what's even more ridiculous is the sheer stupidity of sellers.
>>55314959
>I think it's trying to boot from a cassette
>LOLIDK what to do from here
That's a prompt asking for the baud rate on the cassette port. All you have to do is tap Enter twice to go into BASIC. It's not hard, dude.
Another auction was for a PET and the guy said "I cannot test this as I don't have power cords." Just plug any old PC power cord into the back, numbnuts.
My Compaq Presario 5000 with the 1GHz AMD "FREAKING SUPERCOMPUTER" K7
>>55326790
Shit, someone knocked my image over.
>>55326761
Nothing boils my blood quite like the following sentence in an eBay auction:
>I don't know much about this, I found it in an estate sale.
>>55314541
What the fuck? Is this a YLYL thread? That's just a microwave.
>>55326825
>rocking winamp classic
I remember downloading new skins for that shit at school and floppy disking it home. Great times.
>>55326828
It's possible they legitimately don't know, but when you can't figure out how to plug a power cord into something, I wonder how you can even function.
>>55326790
>>55326875
I read it as "I just bought this to flip, shut up and give me money."
>>55313942
wew I have a 4032 and an 8032 out in the garage that still work fine, absolutely no idea what the fuck do with them without any usable peripherals
>>55325931
having used both regularly, neither DOS or the *nix environment are really more difficult to use, but the latter as far more powerful, and better designed for extended periods of use; with simpler, more comfortable commands like ls and rm rather than dir and del, and the use of / in directories rather than \, the most inconveniently placed major character key ever conceived
not to mention later DOS versions also feel like patch-on-patch clusterfucks, for example, copy and xcopy, and all the other bullshit hiding away in C:\DOS
>>55325056
you sound like a hoarder
>>55326879
zip drive! nice!
DOS is still easier to use than most any 8-bit OS except for the DOS on Atari 8-bits which had a super-easy menu driven interface.
DEL filename
vs
OPEN15,8,15:PRINT#15,"S:filename":CLOSE15
>>55326858
Yeah, got a Soundblaster Live and I'm copying the iichan /music/ archive to it.
I'm also considering purchasing some actual zip disquettes; my local thrift shop has two unused Fujis for a $1.50, but I have no idea what I'd actually use them for, other than to give some purpose to this thing keeping me from chucking another hard drive in there.
Were/are Zip disks ever reliable storage?
>>55326991
>wew I have a 4032 and an 8032 out in the garage that still work fine, absolutely no idea what the fuck do with them without any usable peripherals
You could get a Datasette on Ebay and use PC software to copy files to cassette tape (this requires you also have a standard audio cassette recorder).
I guess the other option is a 1541 Ultimate+IEEE drive cable+IEC -> IEEE adapter but that's gonna cost you.
>>55326991
>the most inconveniently placed major character key ever conceived
It's right next to the fucking enter key, which is the key you have to hit after every command anyway.
It's also a pipe which is used often enough in Linux to warrant it's placement elsewhere, but somehow the two antisocial characters have managed to stay in the worst spot for decades.
>>55327076
I'm using two external SCSI zip drives as HDDs for my Amiga. 100MB (~95 formatted) is a decent size for Amiga files anyway and they're still much faster than floppies, plus one can shit the bed and I'm not totally fucked.
>>55327107
And if you do do this, BEWARE OF THE KILLER POKE. IT WILL FUCK YOU.
Do not run any BASIC programs you find online unless you first comb through them and make sure there's no POKE 59458,62. If so, delete that at once.
>>55326761
I just love how they always want a mint for whatever beat up shitbox they're trying to sell and yet they can't take 2 minutes to do a little research, computers are the easiest things to research when everyone and their fucking mother that collects has a website of some kind.
>>55327023
>everyone is irrationally angry at your hobby and wants to literally destroy it
>technology is cheap, rare and most purchasing decisions are now-or-never
Pretty easy to go that way.
>>55327076
Zip disks are great, especially for ISA systems and NuBus Macs, where USB cards aren't readily available, those drives will attach to fucking anything and 100 MB is more than enough for quick transfers between systems, anything larger will probably be CD software anyway.
>>55327130
also, the backslash is more aesthetic.
"C:\" is kind of a sleek looking character combination. To me, it looks like the front end of a Formula 1 car, the wheel C and front wing \, with the colon forming a suspension component.
"A:\" is aesthetically pleasing because the A and \ form parallel lines.
A bash prompt is informative but kind of obtuse (how can a completely new user understand what ~ means without consulting a manual?), and everyone has their own custom config anyway.
>>55327076
Being magnetic media they can last a really long time in storage. They're faster than floppy disks and offer a lot of space for old computers.
>>55327107
got a datasette with a boxed VIC-20 a while back and tried attaching it, wasn't able to get it to work though, not sure if my cassette was just fucked or what, need to get a new recorder anyway
>>55327130
exactly, the keyword is "after", usually when you hit enter your entire hand shifts over comfortably and able to hit the key, when you're typing in a particularly long directory string, however, hitting / is much more comfortable and faster to do than stretching over to the \ key, piping is a little different in this way as well, you're not likely to be using them as often and commonly as / in a directory, more at the end of a complete command like enter
>>55327166
>POKE 59458,62
wasn't that the one people used on earlier PETs to speed up the screen update? will have to remember to check for it
>>55327215
Incredibly, someone bought a TRS-80 Model III on Ebay the other week with a blown CRT (the phosphor was all charred and stuff). Aside from the fact that it had a low serial number, I have absolutely no idea why else you'd want that. If the CRT blew, it's probable that it took the entire PCB with it.
>>55327107
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Commodore-Pet-Disk-Drive-to-Computer-IEEE-488-cable-/282081832056?hash=item41ad632c78:g:vXsAAOSwPc9WvI1c
This is the disk drive cable for the PET, though they want a little more than I'd want to pay.
IEC -> IEEE adapters and reverse also exist but they're kind of hard to find. However, if you have all of that you should theoretically be able to use a 1541 Flash emulator on a PET.
>>55327313
>wasn't that the one people used on earlier PETs to speed up the screen update? will have to remember to check for it
Yes. The PET 2001/30xx has a flag at $E842 which if activated tells the kernel CHAROUT function to wait for the vertical retrace before writing to video RAM. This was done to prevent "snow" caused by contention between the CPU and video circuitry (random white dots on the screen).
If you're ok with snow, you can turn the flag off via POKE 59458,62 and get faster text output. However, the 40xx/80xx PET has a different video circuit based on the Motorola 6545 CRTC and doesn't have snow issues. On these machines, $E842 contains a CRTC control register so writing to it will throw the monitor out of sync and blow up the flyback transformer. Later 40xx/80xx PETs were modified to prevent this from happening and they just instead disable video output.
No you are a fag and you need to hang yourself
>>55327438
One other thing--a later PET board revision used faster video RAM which eliminated the snow problem, so it's not needed on all 30xx PETs, just earlier ones.
http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?43522-Killer-POKE
One guy here says that POKE 59458,62 works and speeds up the video output on his 3016, but another guy says he tried it on a 3032 and it didn't do anything.
>>55327349
eugh, I feel like I have a 488 cable around here somewhere
>>55327438
>>55327519
interesting, I'd read a little about it before but not in detail
honestly if I got it up and running again I'd just go for writing my own code, BASIC is fun in a historical kind of way
>>55312976
no it is really a waste of time, mone and energy you could do something more productive like try microcontrollers, create your own processor even a whole computer using FPGAs rather than making old, useless hardware to work because you gonna learn nothing.
>>55327438
http://www.6502.org/users/andre/petindex/poke/index.html
This explains it in more detail and I guess it's not really a "flag" per se, but you know what I mean.
>>55313740
>oily hair
>>55327580
Just because it can't go on Facebook doesn't mean it's useless, normie.
"Later 40xx/80xx PETs had modified video circuitry to prevent "killer POKE" damage; a TDA 1170 chip was used in place of the original analog circuit so that if no sync went to the monitor, it would merely be shut off rather than sent spurious signals."
>>55326991
What you can do is check your two PETs and see if they have the older circuit or the TDA 1170. If the latter, you don't have to worry about killer POKEs, it will just disable the video output if that happens.
>>55327637
If you cannot modify any hardware to go on facebook, even a tinu µc the normie is you. But that is not the point, making an old computer work doesn't make you special, I could create my own processor from transistor its only logic gates but wont do it because is a weaste of time.
Checking for killer POKEs is easy in BASIC programs, machine language ones are tougher, but you can try disassembling them and looking for a LDA #$3E...STA $E842. The opcodes of that would be A9 3E 8D 42 E8 so you'd want to replace them with EA (NOP instructions).
>>55327580
>you gonna learn nothing.
why? what exactly is working on hardware with older date codes unable to teach you that building a novelty toy with a cheapo microcontroller or designing a useless, inefficient CPU on an FPGA will?
I've always wondered, why does /g/ think everything has to be a moneymaking venture or a purely utilitarian purchase to make your games go fast? I thought this place was an enthusiast board? where's the enthusiasm? why do people who love technology for technology's sake have to justify their actions while thread after thread of people who spend thousands upon thousands to waste away in front of shit TV shows and video games with shiny graphics are the "master race"?
>>55327757
>this insecurity
nobody here is trying to be special, we just want to discuss something we enjoy and find fun
you don't have to be in this thread, there are plenty of discussions about thinkpads, macbooks, video cards, whatever, or you can just fuck off back to facebook if it's such a waste of time, why are you here if your time is so valuable?
Do anybody know how to remove the yellow shade from plastic?
I vant to clean an old keybord, it's nothing special but latley it has become brown
>>55327888
Retr0bright. Google it.
>>55327888
retr0bright, or some lemon juice and sunlight
>>55327917
>>55327924
oh, thank you kind anons
>>55327787
>why does /g/ think everything has to be a moneymaking venture
Some people live by the adage "Do only what makes you money."
They seem unaware of how shallow that sounds.
http://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?t=31266
The resuscitation of a PS/2 Model 25.
>>55328334
Tube swap was pretty cool, if only he had a proper faceplate for the drive to complete it.
>>55328524
I'm stunned that of all things, the hard disk in that PS/2 was still operational given that it was apparently used long enough and hard enough to wear out the CRT. Especially since those old MFM drives are not anywhere near a modern hard disk for reliability.
>>55328572
Inland Chile's pretty dry, isn't it? I haven't had too much bad luck with MFM disks either myself.
Actually, I'd rather they'd have been run long and hard, since stiction is one of the biggest killers of disks in that era, and being in use implies it's being taken care of a little better than being tossed into a garage or attic to get literally shit on
The worst thing was when an original model Apple II sold on Ebay for like $1000 or something so then idiots got the idea to charge huge $$$ for dirt-common IIe machines that were produced by the truckload.
>>55328697
The hard disk in my Thinkpad 380D (an IDE drive, not an old MFM one) even has stiction issues if left sitting any length of time. Oddly this is the only hard disk I've ever had that had a stiction problem.
>>55320028
People trying to sell it for is not the price.
I could sell one for $1499 does not mean anybody will buy it.
For what people buy it is, bids.
>>55320741
A 600 with a Vampire V2 is faster then any 1200 with an accelerator, plus you get AGA.
Also, a 600 is way nicer on the desk then a 1200.
>>55325796
>>55325828
It is rare, but at least I have more respect for it then a ST, it could actually play a MP3 with that 030 thanks to a DSP.
>>55325991
But anon, that's exactly what he was saying?
>>55326363
>>55326509
Adapting SRAM to a Commodore 64 would be a bitch because of the system architecture (the VIC-II controls the system bus and refreshes RAM).
http://www.lemon64.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=56301
This guy did it but said it's probably not worth the effort.
Those Commodore 64 power bricks were forged by Lucifer himself. If you collect C64 stuff, throw these in the trash and get a third party PSU. I'm not kidding.
>>55328957
what's the matter with the bricks?
>>55328957
Yes, but they are OEM which means a lot to a collector.
>>55329022
Aren't collectors hated on this board/thread?
>>55329014
Their fail-mode is to destroy the C64 connected to them entirely. And they fail often.
>>55329014
Two voltages with AC and DC, the voltage regulator on the DC side has a tendency to get extremely hot causing them to fail. When they fail they take your ancient relic of a computer with it by exposing them to higher voltages
>>55329014
Those things are fucking evil.
>filled with epoxy so you can't repair them
>get hot enough to roast weenies over them
>the voltage regulator inevitably goes bad and damages stuff in the computer (most often the RAM)
>>55329022
>means a lot to the collector
Oh shit nigger what are you doing. Go on Lemon64 and they'll tell you to cut those things up and throw them in the trash ASAP. I think a functioning machine is a little more important than OEM in this case.
>>55328957
Using some USB charger with at least 1.2A output current and a 9V AC power supply (e.g. the european SNES power supply for a PAL C64) is a simple and fast way of getting a usable and more efficient C64 power supply.
The main ICs in the C64 are less likely to get damaged by the power brick because they're NMOS and can take a little overvoltage but the 4164 DRAMs are CMOS and more dense than the main ICs. They can't take even a tiny bit over their rated +5V. Bad RAM in a C64 is most often caused by a busted power supply.
>>55329179
Why not mod a ATX PSU?
It already has 5V and it's easy to get 9V out of 12V.
>>55329230
I just had some USB charger and a SNES power supply lying around, so all i needed was a 9 pin DIN connector, an old USB cable and a socket for the SNES power supply connector.
Came out much cheaper than a ATX power supply and takes up less space.
The C64C is better to have because it has a newer revision PCB/chipset that's more reliable, runs cooler, and uses less power than the old breadbin. Unfortunately it's a problem for US collectors because most C64s sold here were the breadbin and the C64C is much more common in Europe.
>>55329124
>>55329139
>>55329148
holy crap, and a week ago I was thinking of rebooting my commodore with the original psu
Does the C64 actually need 9AC? Can it use 9VDC instead?
>>55329430
If you absolutely must do it, use a multimeter to test the voltage level and ripple current of the PSU to make sure it's operating correctly. Once you power it on and get an ?OUT OF MEMORY IN 0 error because your RAM got cooked, it's too late.
>>55329499
You can't; it uses the AC frequency for timing stuff.
>>55329499
I don't know for sure, but if you ask on Lemon64 they'd be able to tell you.
>>55329519
Well at least adapters capable of outputting 9VAC are fairly common. 5VDC is easily sourced from cell phone chargers.
>>55329510
It was just nostalgia, but in this case I'll be better getting a safe psu before doing anything
>>55329519
>>55328856
Yeah the C64 has a quite complicated and extremely tight, timing-sensitive system architecture. It's not like the much simpler Apple II, ZX Spectrum, or TRS-80 which are built out of TTL components and the CPU has total control of the system bus.
>>55329591
But watch out that the charger provides at least 1.5 (breadbin) or 1.7 (C64C) amps of output current; most standard phone chargers don't do that.
>>55329369
How come most of the US models are breadbins?
>>55326761
>>55326828
>>55326875
>>55327215
Because it's easier to sell it
>idk how to power this thing on, sold as is
then to take the price down because
>i tried it and it didn't power on at all or smoke came out of it
>SOLD AS IS
It didn't work for the seller, why would it work for you
>>55329821
Ok, although it still irks me about that TRS-80 which very much did power on but the guy couldn't figure out to press Enter twice to get into BASIC.
>>55329873
Was is selling for a ridiculous price?
Also not everybody even know what BASIC is, unless he was "trying to sell it hard" like
>VINTAGE RETRO
then at least you could learn something before you sell it
Nobody would buy a car with a description
>sold as is, don't know anything about it"
>oh but I still want a working cars price!
>>55329776
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-retro-Commodore-PET-4032-Computer-AS-IS-missing-key-untested-made-USA-/252421995114?hash=item3ac585fa6a:g:DEoAAOSwtJZXXMyY
Then again, the inside of this PET looks awfully cruddy. I'd be a little afraid to power it on too.
>>55329873
>>55314959
This auction. It was from an estate sale.
Geez, dude. All you have to do is press Enter twice to go into BASIC. Two seconds of Google searching would have told you that much.
>>55329821
Most people at least try the power-on test though.
>>55329960
And no, it's not asking to boot from a cassette tape, the CASS? prompt is asking for the baud rate. Either type H for 1500 bps, L for 500 bps, or just press Enter to ignore in which case it defaults to 1500.
>>55329960
>>55330095
There are actually people who don't know how to use Google properly you know.
Its kinda amazing the tablet I'm using to write this while taking a shit has more power and red than every computer combined in this thread.
>>55330114
Yes, sadly not everyone is us.
>tfw want to build a computer that never existed
>>55330197
Not kinda but it is amazing, technology advances quicker and quicker all the time.
>every computer combined in this thread
That would be stretching it tho, there's a bunch of PowerPC and X86 machines in this thread even.
Also, you probably missed the posts with new build inside old cases, but I didn't count those.
>>55326342
I give you, it's easier to find a VIC-20 on Ebay than a 90s PC despite the latter being 10-15 years newer and there being 20x as many of them manufactured.
>>55314514
All those mechs...
>>55330509
I see a lot of 8088's 286's 386's 486's on local ad's, rarely a C64, Atari or Amiga. There are Macintoshes tho.
>>55330276
fuck yes that looks amazing
