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Holy fuck why does this piece of shit init system even fucking exist? It's preventing my computer from booting at all, you cant switch it out on Debian and Devuan is obscure and you are just screwing yourself over because of much less development. SysVinit is much better than this, insecure, bloated poetteringware trash
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Maybe you shouldn't have fucked with shit?

If it triggers you so fucking much like the boo hoo baby you are then slipstream sysv in a debian installer and quit your bitching.
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>complaining about a piece of software on a hobbyist OS
Just install something else. That's the point of Linux, isn't it?
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>>55216435
system admin here:

you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about, and you don't work in any industry that would require you to

tl;dr

shut the fuck up faggot
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>>55216435
Go FreeBSD and don't look back. It's a dream.

http://roqet.org/freebsd_minimalist_laptop.html
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Perhaps you should buy a Mac?
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>>55216435
Wow... Nice hate brigade over there, shitlord. I bet you hate little children and disabled people too!
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>>55216636
system admin here again,

hating the handicapped it justified, but shitting on systemd for no reason is unjustified

tl;dr

fuck you
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>>55216562
>>55216731
samefag
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>>55216435
>SysVinit is much better than this
That is what I say, but people won't listen.
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>>55216435
What seems to be the problem OP?
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>>55216737
summerfriend
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>>55216435
i like systemd. compiled gentoo with systemd
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>>55216435
>you cant switch it out on Debian
http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_remove_systemd_from_a_Debian_jessie/sid_installation

i was going to call you a faggot, op, but then i realized that the page on the debian wiki about replacing systemd seems to be gone.

also, during my search, i stumbled upon this: http://lkcl.net/reports/removing_systemd_from_debian/
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>>55216435
systemctl status emby-server

This shit is easy and works.
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>>55216435
Install gentoo
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>>55216435
>it is preventing my computer from booting
I have seen it delay boot 90s if there is something wrong, but you managed to fuck it up completely?
Surely this feat is not unique to systemd.
>you can't switch it out
you can though. You even mention that devuan exist. Clearly it is possible, but since you can't figure out how to configure an init system, it might be possible you can't switch it out.
>SysVinit is better than this
Then use that. I don't care.
>insecure
All software projects have problems, but is there something you know that the rest of us don't regarding to this?
>bloated
Fair enough. Systemd provides a lot of tools that does things differently. But the end result is a faster system that is easier to maintain.
>poetteringware trash
so because you failed CS, you just want to hate on Poetterring? You must be a delight to be around.
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>>55216435
The issue I have with systemd is that it got adopted WAY too quickly. It is still in active development, and new versions might drastically change parts of its behavior. Hence I consider it an unstable beta product at best. The fact that Lennart doesn't take bugs seriously makes it even worse. I wouldn't mind systemd if Lennart was put on the sidelines and more capable engineers would work on it.
TLDR Systemd is a good idea but currently has a shit implementation, Lennart is a faggot.

>>55216528
The problem with systemd is how it creates dependency hell. Depending on the distro, there might be no other choice than to use systemd or risk having the entire system break.
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>>55216435
>It's preventing my computer from booting at all
It really isn't. You just fucked up. If you fuck up this hard on systemd, you will fuck up this hard on other init systems as well.

t. systemd convert
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>>55218861
same, all my gentoo boxes run systemd. shit is cash
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>>55218861
same
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>>55216435
What kind of development do you think Devuan does? Devuan is a fork of Debian. The hard work done by Debian will translate into work that Devuan can use.
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>>55216562

The fact that you were fucking terrible at init scripts and systemd "solved" this for you (what's your fucking job anyway) doesn't make systemd less of a train wreck. Also, $10 have been transferred to your account. NSA thanks you!
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What's this, 2013? This meme is over. Your contrarian vocal time has passed, nobody gives a shit about your wannabe "I'm smarter than devs" psuedo attitude.

Fuck off to something more obscure and go join its IRC and jack off.

penny to a pound you wouldn't know how to even check if a distro even has systemd without your dumb ass googling it. There's been countless huge changes to linux over the years like grub2 from grub, pulseaudio, major distros shipping gnome3, and all of these had hateful months and nothing stuck around like the systemd hate, but again it's just the same angry dropouts complaining JUST BECAUSE IT'S DIFFERENT and they don't even know WHAT IT IS.

You are basically turning into a grandma and complaining that windows 7 sucks coming from XP just because it looks slightly different even though you don't know dick about either.
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>>55216528
>the internet is run on hobbyist software
wincucks believe this
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systemd exists in order to convert the Linux ecosystem into Windows, so Windowsfags can have the last laugh at Linuxfags.
What i mean by this is that when something better than systemd comes out in the future, an inevitability as it always is in the world of software where there always comes a time where you have to completely rewrite some shit,
Linuxfags will be stuck with the trash that systemd will become at that time, and they won't be able to do anything about it.
Systemd is literally a cancer.
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>>55221512
The world prefers to use windows server over a Linux server line Debian.
This is what winkids actually believe.
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>>55221546
>Linuxfags will be stuck with the trash that systemd will become at that time, and they won't be able to do anything about it.
False. I don't think you understand the power of free software.
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Isn't the entire point of free software that systemd will be replaced or forked if it ever became an issue.
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>>55221718
If it were easy to remove it, then yes.
But systemd has too much shit dependent on it. It would take 100 times the work and effort to remove it if it wasn't so integrated into most distros.
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>>55221718
That's exactly the point of free software. The people here who fear systemd also do not believe in free software.
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>>55221732
Free software says nothing about easy or hard work. In many cases, it is actually very difficult and expensive to migrate to free software.
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>>55221670
Find me a list of core programs that DONT depend on systemd
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>>55221732
the point is it can be removed and changed independently from the people who develop it
complaining people are adopting something that works well an that it's killing diversity is like complaining about mass production
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>>55221769
>Find me a list of core programs that DONT depend on systemd
come on dude
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>>55221753
I dont think you quite understand the severity of the problem.
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>>55221753
Free software takes time and time is money.
Even teenagers get tired of gayming if they do too much of it,
and in the same sense the accomplished hobbyist working on Linux will say "fuck this" with regards to systemd because it ain't worth the time they would otherwise spend doing their job to make money to put food on a platter and pay the bills.
There's no such thing as "free" in this world. Only a case of what exactly you are sacrificing.
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>>55221778
Whats that? You can't find a list?

>>55221771
>independently
So when CORE services DEPEND on systemd and there is no other alternative?
Systemd has taken over the system, it is beyond a point of just forking it.
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>>55221786
A hobbyist working on Linux shouldn't ever have to touch systemd if he doesn't care about learning about it.
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>>55221784
I don't. I only understand software in terms of free software and non-free software.
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>>55221778
The GNU OS does not depend on systemd.
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>>55221817
Then you have no basis to discuss anything
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>>55221826
HURD just got SOUND support this year!!!!
It dosent use shit, because it isnt able to use anything. It is a failed project, stallman admits this
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>>55221834
My basis is based on the freedom of free software. Free software inherently means you can do anything. There is nothing that systemd can do that will ever change this fact.
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>>55221794
>Whats that? You can't find a list?
sigh, literally almost everything doesnt have a hard requirement for systemd. a few all-in-one desktop environments, but i wouldnt call those core.

you're making yourself look dumb and uninformed
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>>55221843
Hurd is one part of the GNU OS. I think you're forgetting the GNU part of a normal GNU/Linux OS.
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>>55216576
BSD ricing is gonna be the next big thing soon

Linux is a fucking bloated mess at the moment
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>>55221845
You have no basis to be in this thread, discussing a program, that you only know is free or not free.
There is nothing of importance you have to say.

>>55221854
Pic releated,just have installed that are forced deps.Fuck ton more
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>>55221893
The entire point of free software that systemd will be replaced or forked if it ever became an issue. Hard or easy is not an issue and will never be an issue because everybody has the freedom to change it if they wish.
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>>55221858
I dont use the gnu user land.I use linux+uClibc.
Please refrain from assuming i am using the shitty gnu userland, you're no worse.
HURD is the KERNEL for the SHIT OS stallman attempted to make the past 25 YEARS.
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>>55221912
It will not be replaced.
if programs FUCKING DEPEND ON SYSTEMD TO FUCKING OPERATE, you cannot emulate this, it is a HARD dep.
There is no forking.
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>>55221893
> Pic releated,just have installed that are forced deps.Fuck ton more

oh well lol of course, systemd is assumed core to archlinux, the distro is built around it

its linux, linux is based around choice, there are plenty of choices of distros not using systemd if you dont want to use it.
alternatively, there are guides for swapping to boring init systems for those that do use it

use gentoo with USE=-systemd

the fact is that a modern linux desktop environment requires systemd to handle hotswapping wireless networks, sleeping and suspending, triggering events over dbus, etc. linux is in a better place for having it. deal with it.

there's always i3 and wmutils and so on if you want to turn your nose away from modern progress
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>>55221923
That's wrong. Hurd is not a kernel program for the GNU OS. Hurd was actually designed to be not a kernel. GNU's kernel is actually not Hurd.
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>>55221935
>if programs FUCKING DEPEND ON SYSTEMD TO FUCKING OPERATE, you cannot emulate this, it is a HARD dep.
Free software means that you can modify your programs to stop depending on systemd to operate. This is the freedom of free software.
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>>55221941
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GNU Hurd (usually referred to as the Hurd or just Hurd) is the multiserver microkernel written as part of GNU. It has been under development since 1990 by the GNU Project of the Free Software Foundation, designed as a replacement for the Unix kernel,[2] and released as free software under the GNU General Public License.
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>>55221935
>if programs FUCKING DEPEND ON SYSTEMD TO FUCKING OPERATE, you cannot emulate this, it is a HARD dep.

sigh.

im using systemd because i want it. despite 300+ packages installed, attached are my deps.

if i decide i dont want systemd, i disable it and reinstall the packages, none of which have a HARD dependency on systemd.

l2linux
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>>55221969
That description is incorrect. Hurd is not a microkernel. Everything else about that Hurd description is fine. GNU Hurd is a system protocol and is also the implementation of the protocol. But it is not a microkernel.
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>>55221952
jesus fuck you're fucking retarded

>>55221998
stallman calls it a fucking kernel
Go fuck your self stallmanist
https://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/hurd.html
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>>55221971
pacman -Rsc
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>>55222067
Stallman doesn't call Hurd the GNU kernel or any kernel. Stallman calls Hurd the Unix kernel replacement. This is because GNU's kernel isn't actually GNU Hurd but a microkernel.
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>>55216435
You can switch it out simply by using the devuan repos on debian.
It's also trivial to switch out on manjaro. It can be done on plain arch by the wiki has been modified to hide the information and to discourage people from doing it.
Otherwise, just install gentoo.
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>>55216562
This
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>>55216576
Come back when it actually works with wifi hardware lmao. Cuck.
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>>55216731
Guess you're not using any RHEL compliance distro then.
Good luck with your deployment
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>>55222091
systemd is the archlinux way. archlinux isn't really about choice, just their way of doing linux.

if you insist on using archlinux without systemd, there are guides e.g. http://systemd-free.org/
i'm sure you can google

but really, if you care enough about choices in how your machine is setup, use gentoo.
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>>55216562
yes, as a sysadmin I love when upstream breaks my shit that worked for ages and forced me to deal with new crap

also, lennart's cock is yummy
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>>55222166
Gentoo limits what hardware can be used easily.
Due to their "views"
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>>55222186
..? what? elaborate
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>>55221213
t. shill more like

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTYwMzg
https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/12/21/1343258
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/02/msg00010.html
https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=918226

This one is my favorite:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=825394 (https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/XW7V5A3RAWYCACU2ZMPA27ARRLIZUI37/)

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=776171
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64116 (journal corruption is not a bug, it's a feature (tm) - literally)

https://bsdmag.org/randy_w_3/
https://ewontfix.com/14/
https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.html
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archlinux on systemd:

https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/4lzxs3/why_did_archlinux_embrace_systemd/d3rhxlc

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4m0r93/why_did_archlinux_embrace_systemd/
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>>55216435
Install void linux and be set free via runit. It lets you have a good init without having to use gentoo.
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>>55222268
Too bad gentoo is superior in every way.
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>>55222260
The actual reason is that an arch dev (tomegun) works for Red Hat and works on systemd.
And he was the one who constantly kept pushing it.

The "harder to maintain" stuff applies more to Debian. Arch adopted systemd very early, where that wasn't such a big issue.
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>>55222321
>And he was the one who constantly kept pushing it.

there's nothing wrong with his reasoning:
https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/4lzxs3/why_did_archlinux_embrace_systemd/d3rhxlc

copy and paste which part of his reply there you feel he is wrong with
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>every distro, especially those that once pretended they were about choice or simplicity, now hide instructions to get rid of systemd when such instructions were once in their wiki
>good goy there's no conspiracy, systemd is just good and that's why people are using it!
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>>55222338
Should I just copy-paste everything?

No, he isn't exactly wrong. Of course an actual daemon manager has advantages instead of Arch's old shitty bash scripts. But he completely ignores any other long-existing stable solutions, he also looks at only one use-case where you have some cancerous full desktop system with dozens of interdependent services.
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>>55222338
I tried but 4chan complains that there's too many characters
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>>55222419
>full desktop system with dozens of interdependent services.

so the 99% use case

for us snowflakes perfectly reasonable alternatives exist: gentoo, bsds, osx, etc etc etc
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>>55222479
If all I want is some normie desktop I just use Mint or even Windows or some shit.
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>>55221858
>I think you're forgetting the GNU part of a normal GNU/Linux OS.
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>>55222518
>gtk
>GNU

wat
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>>55221732
Riddle me this: Do you dislike the linux kernel too?
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>>55222186
[citation needed]
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>>55222498
right, but since we're here and special, we need to use the alternatives, or bend whats available to make it work the way we want.

hence neckbeard distros like gentoo, funtoo, bsd, sabayon, calculate, etc.
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>>55216576
Does it work with recent hardware?
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>>55222549
http://www.gnu.org/software/software.html
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>>55222591
if the hardware is 1yr+ old and enterprizey/not consumer trash
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Is Alpine Linux any good?
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>>55222657
hobby distro but it's ok as a shitposting OS
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>>55222247
Holy this this is comedy cold:
>The second problem with systemd that he describes involves the journalctl utility. It displays log messages with long lines in a way that requires sideways scrolling, as well as displaying all messages since the beginning of time, in forward chronological order. Both of these behaviors contribute to making the tool much less usable, especially in critical situations where time and efficiency are of the essence.
PEBCAK to the finest

Stopped reading there, do you have any more interesting links to present to me?
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>>55222260
>reddit
not clicking

>>55222268
What's wrong with using gentoo? Although, I'm not sure if Gentoo's Runit support is that great.
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systemd is really, REALLY intrusive.
why was it accepted in the first place? because muh boot times. that on itself says a lot about about its supporters.
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>>55223213
>because muh boot times.
strawman

I switched to it because systemctl/journalctl/loginctl are much nicer front-ends than the OpenRC/syslog interface I had before it
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>>55223245
Everyone just fuckin' loves BINARY LOGS!
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>you can't switch it out on Debian
wrong
$ sudo apt-get purge systemd
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
dns-root-data dnsmasq-base gnome-accessibility-themes gnome-icon-theme-symbolic gnome-themes-standard gnome-themes-standard-data iputils-arping libavdevice-ffmpeg56
libavfilter-ffmpeg5 libgif4 libilmbase6v5 libjson-c2:i386 liblightdm-gobject-1-0 libndp0 libnetfilter-conntrack3 libnma-common libnma0 libopenexr6v5 libpgm-5.1-0
libpostproc-ffmpeg53 libteamdctl0 libx265-68 libxklavier16 libzmq3 lightdm-gtk-greeter mobile-broadband-provider-info tzdata-java
Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove them.
The following additional packages will be installed:
consolekit libck-connector0 libnma-common libnma0 libpam-ck-connector sysvinit-core
The following packages will be REMOVED:
colord* gvfs* gvfs-daemons* hplip* iio-sensor-proxy* libpam-systemd* lightdm* network-manager* network-manager-gnome* policykit-1* policykit-1-gnome*
printer-driver-postscript-hp* systemd* systemd-sysv* udisks2*
The following NEW packages will be installed:
consolekit libck-connector0 libpam-ck-connector sysvinit-core
The following packages will be upgraded:
libnma-common libnma0
2 upgraded, 4 newly installed, 15 to remove and 513 not upgraded.
Need to get 565 kB of archives.
After this operation, 46.6 MB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n]


I'm on testing
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>>55223342
>The following packages will be REMOVED:
> colord* gvfs* gvfs-daemons* hplip* iio-sensor-proxy* libpam-systemd* lightdm* network-manager* network-manager-gnome* policykit-1* policykit-1-gnome*
did you not notice something weird?

>>55223245
>>why did most people accept it
>I did because...
err, we aren't talking about you and only you.
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>>55223297
I don't really mind them, since to me as a user, there's no real difference.
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Daily reminder that systemd is FOSS (Free Open Source Software) and that it is good software that fulfils the needs of modern devops, sysadmins, regular users and even application developers. Since work on systemd project restarted in 2010 and it's initial inclusion in Fedora Jan 2011 it has gained code contributions from over 600 developers worldwide and became the default init system and session manager in every major GNU/Linux distribution since 2012. Developers from each of these have commit access and have helped to design and shape systemd to fit their needs and unify core system between distributions over the last 5 years.

However as great of an improvement as it has proven to be it has attracted many paid trolls and mentally ill Linux users who spread lies and FUD about it, a large group of these single out developers and attack them with constant trolling, abuse, stalking and even death threats. Many of these 'people' are from the *BSD camps; after Linux usage and contributions sky-rocketed 15 years ago they have been on a constant mission to cause trouble, including making threats of violence and rape against people who create GPL licensed code.

There are also thought to be many of these people on the payroll of Microsoft to try and destroy strong powerful FOSS projects by negative campaigning and lie/FUD spreading. Fortunately as usual for Microsoft their FUD campaign and paid shills turn up 4 years too late and don't have technical arguments, making it obvious what they are: paid trolls.
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>>55223367
>did you not notice something weird?

gnome related stuff and other systemd dependent packages would get removed. What else do you expect?
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"I think your attitude is pretty typical of systemd detractors, and that attitude is exactly why systemd is making a victory sweep across all major Linux distributions;

Since you are in total denial of any existing problems with sysvinit, you are of course unable to suggest any alternative to it, or begin any coherent work on an alternative to it. The denial also suggest a lack of technical insight into the problem, and the pathetic lack of any alternative development work also suggest a lack of technical ability to make such an alternative.

This seemingly leaves systemd detractors with only one option; negative campaigning. So they have wasted years of slandering Lennart Poettering and other open source developers and companies, and whining, ranting and trolling on web forums, but without any real technical argumentation.

Using derogatory terms, like "bloat", or "Windoze crap" aren't technical argumentation, just like copy-pasting unattributed quotes from random sites about "Unix philosophy" doesn't convince anybody serious either.

You are also alienating people who may have been sympathetic to developing alternatives to systemd; who wants to join a bunch of anonymous people who rant like lunatics, and who seems to enjoy smug negative attitudes against other open source developers.

So to sum up; you are just a loud minority who conducts negative campaigning, seemingly without any ability to gather people to construct a positive alternative to systemd. As long as you deny any problems with sysvinit, and deny any positive merits of systemd, you will be unable to analyse the situation and therefore paralysed into inaction. This of course will mean, that Linux distro after Linux distro will switch over to systemd. Enjoy the future with systemd on every Linux distro; your negative attitude made it possible."
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"I remember being severely disillusioned by this in my early days. I read some article that explained how a "spell" program can be written to report the spelling errors in a file. It uses 'tr' to split into words, then "sort" and "uniq" to get a word list, then "comm" to find the differences. "cool" I thought. Then I looked at the actual "spell" program on my university's Unix installation. It used a special 'dcomm' (or something like that) which knew about "dictionary ordering" (Which ignores case - sometimes). Suddenly the whole illusion came shattering down. Lots of separate tools only do 90% of the work. To do really complete work, you need real purpose-built tools. "do one thing and do it well" is good for prototypes, not for final products.
The thing that annoys me most about systemd is that I didn't write it first!"

- Neil Brown
http://lwn.net/Articles/576078/
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"The problem for Gnome and KDE is, that systemd is vastly superior to anything out there, and that it will help them dump loads of hard to maintain code, and give them easy access to make powerful distro-agnostic programs.

systemd provides a common, uniform Linux plumbing system that makes life easier for all user program developers. So of course Gnome and KDE will start to take advantage of systemd, why shouldn't they?

The main problem with those who for some reason or another doesn't like systemd, is that they are incredibly lazy. Instead of actually getting together to make an alternative development stack to systemd, they rant against Poettering and spew empty platitudes about "UNIX philosophy".

The most pathetic example of this anti-systemd laziness, is of course "ConsoleKit". It has now been unmaintained for +1½ years, but it is a crucial piece of infra-structure for any Desktop. But instead of either maintain it or make an alternative, anti-systemd people just rant against Gnome for no longer making it a priority to support this piece of abandonware. All rant and no work.
[...]
Yes, that is true last time you checked, and next KDE edition (KDE SC 5/Plasma 2) will of course also run on *BSD. But with reduced functionality on all non-systemd systems, compared with the systemd version.

This is not because of some sinister conspiracy, but because systemd offers easy use of many nice features that KDE and Gnome (and LXQT etc) would like to use, and non-systemd systems doesn't provide.

The point is exactly, that systemd is a very nice uniform Linux plumbing system, and that DE's are starting to take advantage of that."
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"I’m trying really hard not to suggest launchd here (so I won’t). The idea of registering everything up-front with a broker and then letting IPC / timers / HW events start things from there (in cascade fashion) is still the right architecture. Even the linux die-hards have essentially grasped the necessity of systemd (even though they’re going to hate on it for awhile longer)"

- Jordan Hubbard, FreeBSD co-founder
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"I don't personally mind systemd, and in fact my main desktop and laptop both run it."
- Linus Torvalds, ITWire Interview.
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"I've never installed gnu/linux"

- RMS (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umQL37AC_YM)
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>>55223451
>FOSS automatically makes things acceptable
stopped reading there.
you are telling me that, say, if someone made a virus that destroyed every computer out there, and released it as FOSS, it'd be more than good.
are you retarded?
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>>55223575
"I don't find these graphical interfaces very clear you see..."

- RMS

https://youtu.be/2lupgHYiK9Q?t=6m15s
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>>55223664
>if someone made a virus that destroyed every computer out there, and released it as FOSS, it'd be more than good.

Yes, it's FREE AND OPEN SOURCE which means you can modify the source to your needs making it safe and share the source code with your neighbour!

Name one proprietary virus that lets you do that. Checkmate.
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>>55221600
lol
>go to work , its a small place that designs power grids and shit like that
>all the pcs are workstations running some autocad 2009 copy software
>connected by a server so all important work files are placed on a categorized by workers/places/numbers
>everything runs terribly , takes hours to load
>i ask boss if i can bring my own laptop so because shits slow
>i cant let you do that, would have to check everything you have installed on it and configure the server
>its a windows 2012 server
>everything is horrible
>i literally had to sit with my laptop and copy shit from a workstation to an usb and back because it was faster
>power outage because they were installing a capacity reactive power compensation system, because of all the UPS units
>no power so we can still work , but the server is out.
>after the power came back , they configure the server for 2 days
Only worse thing i experienced was a mac server running windows clients in my school. Best part is the mac clients room was not connected to the server because the macfag IT guy didnt knew how to set it up.
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>>55221269
>installing systemd on Gentoo
>zsh
>3.5
What's wrong with you?
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>>55223926
zsh is master race
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>>55216435
It's OK for you to not like it, but I've found systemd significantly superior to upstart, which was better than sysv.

Haven't tried runit, but I did try daemontools and ran that alongside upstart because it was better for some things.

There are some things only systemd can do well, because it groks cgroups and namespaces natively. That's why it exists.

Although I've worked with initramfs extensively, I kind of hope the Debian initramfs-tools infrastructure is replaced with systemd someday.

>>55222657
It's fantastic for really small images, especially servers. Reminds me of Puppy, or a less insane Tiny Core. I can see why Docker chose it as default for their containers, and if you have a small VPS you absolutely 100% should try it if your VPS can support it.

If your shit requires glibc, it will break on musl. That is a problem with your shit, because let's face it, glibc has warts, and not having it is part of what makes Alpine kind of good.
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