What reasons are there to use Debian over Ubuntu for a server?
There are no legitimate reasons.
Stability
>>55189970
Debian is the suit&tie gentleman who works hard to provide for the family
Ubuntu is the spoiled boy who ran away from home because his parents wouldn't let him get a tattoo and identify as a female named Brenda
>>55190012
This
Personally, I like to keep the software down to minimum and so BSD or Gentoo are my favorite but Debian is a good choice to minimize down time.
>>55189970
If you want less support, shoddy backport patches and - from a developers view - maintainers that have no clue about your software and the appropriate packaging method, Debian is a good choice.
>>55189990
/thread
>>55189990
This.
>>55191111
This.
>>55191111
>>55191442
It literally is though.
ubuntu is probably more bleeding edge, i always prefer debian installs for vps'
>>55191464
You don't need bleeding edge on a server though.
>>55189970
None, use CoreOS and docker containers for everything.
There is no reason to use Linux unless you have autism and enjoy no games.
>>55191451
cant you remove them? i thought ganu loonix was free software as in freedom.
>>55191476
Debian is a pain to install "newer" versions of software on. Example: matplotlib.
>>55191511
That's what you get for being a lincuck
>>55189970
They both come with NSA/systemd, so it won't matter.
inb4 open source. You don't compile from source and you know it.
>>55191519
Well... most of these issues are resolved by using a more up-to-date server distro like Ubuntu.
>>55191464
>Ubuntu more bleeding edge
are you literally stupid, like sub-80 iq?
>>55189970
>>55189990
>>55191111
>>55191132
>>55191146
>>55191483
>>55191511
Actually if you want stability and security, don't want to pay and have some knowledge, Debian is one of the best choice.
Plus, u can use a BSD kernel
>>55191535
So how does one not systemd?
Particularly without gentoo
I thought you could run systemd-less debian. Why did I think that?
I'm confus
>>55191535
>You don't compile from source and you know it.
See this is where I don't understand most of you guys. For instance, do you trust the very guys maintaining software repositories? I mean, the source is there, but what's stopping anyone from putting in malicious code inside the package? Is this where you move to gentoo or where you just embrace the entire botnet?
>>55192391
>I thought you could run systemd-less debian.
Devuan, but fuck picking up any derivative distro.
>>55191535
>You don't compile from source and you know it.
Every serious company working in the security field does
I had a Debian upgrade fail on me. I switched to Ubuntu Server and never had a problem upgrading since.
Because you enjoy having almost no drivers in your installation image unless you rummage around on their website for the image with "non-free" (LIKE IT FUCKING MATTERS) firmware
>>55190087
Or, this. So you can eclipse archfags in irrational smugness.
>>55192343
ah yes debian so stable
just patch my openssl up senpai
>>55192489
Which ones?
>>55192572
>just patch my openssl up senpai
I said you need some knowledge. If you don't know how your machine works, not my problem.
>>55192585
you would know if you weren't just a student.
>>55192585
>I will lie on the internet to support my inflated ego
>>55192572
>LIKE IT FUCKING MATTERS
As someone with the "non-free" parameter in their sources.list, go fuck yourself.
>>55192537
So you are saying you were too dumb to use Debian and preferred to use a kiddy version.
Ok.
The King of Distros
>>55191502
It's easier to install what you want than removing shit for hours.
Archlinux is easy to install, a few commands in a terminal and it's done. Start some services, reboot and you're good to go.
You can do the same on ubuntu with the mini.iso.
>>55192343
bump for this.
Is he right ?
>>55192974
>Le dumb noobuntu user meme
>>55193782
Yup. It's good enough for the international space station:
>5. It runs Linux.
>Last year, the ISS dumped Windows and Scientific Linux in favor of Debian 6 for its network of laptops. According to Keith Chuvala, who manages Space Operations Computing for NASA, "We migrated key functions from Windows to Linux because we needed an operating system that was stable and reliable—one that would give us in-house control. So if we needed to patch, adjust, or adapt, we could." To ensure stability, they plan to run one version behind whatever is the latest version of the operating system.
http://mentalfloss.com/article/57240/11-things-you-might-not-know-about-international-space-station
>>55191487
>server
>games
>I fell for the bait
>>55191487
what is a server
what is a router
what is an embedded system
>>55193885
but that's true.
Ubuntu=Debian+shit ton of useless stuff
better buy a mac if you're interested in a good looking OS.
>>55194077
>good looking OS.
>server
>running X
>on a server
>>55191519
>hahaha you have to spend 5minutes to put unsupported software on your operating system!
>can't even install majority of software on windows, no matter the time you spend
>>55194336
hahaah what a fucking retard
I don't think I've ever seen my servers apart from looks apart from SSH
>mfw we still run Debian 4 and Debian 5 systems at work.
>mfw those are rock-solid, aside from hardware failing
>mfw we successfully moved those systems to glorious Proxmox-based QEMU/KVM VMs only with a few rsyncs and some conf files editing.
Debian literally best distro.
>>55193782
It depends what you're application is.
Are you running a critical application that is tested billions of times before a production launch and "bugs" are simply just ironed out using hacks? Debian is for you.
If you designing a web app where you need the latest libraries and downtime means someone can't comment for 5 minutes, debian is probably NOT for you.
>>55193902
Sure, but the ISS basically needs a distro that is never updated (features not bugs). This is a different use case than say your average application deployed on AWS who actually need to risk those bug fixes even if it might break their app.
>>55194336
Are u stupid ?
the point was that Ubuntu is never needed.
server -> Debian
kikoo pc -> MacOS or jeebah linux who cares
>>55194574
>If you designing a web app where you need the latest libraries and downtime means someone can't comment for 5 minutes, debian is probably NOT for you.
Well, you could choose to stay on the Debian testing channel. At some point, it always gets newer binaries and libs.
>>55194669
Point well received but why don't you just use Ubuntu then?
>>55194574
>If you designing a web ap
my gawd no, I have a sense of honour
>>55194535
I rolled my kernel back in Arch, it's just as stable. Whooptie shit.
>>55194691
Ubuntu is basically a frozen Debian/sid with useless tools and proprietary drivers added by default.
Debian/testing is rolling release which means an apt-get dist-upgrade will always get you the newest shit when most of the bugs have been cleared out.
When using Ubuntu, you'll have to update to the newest release each 6 months to stay up-to-date.
>>55194739
arch supports very few archs
debian also has more packages, if you don't want to lose your time recompiling everything
also, stability is a real concern. maybe you don't stress a lot your computer, but real world stats are in favour of Debian
but arch is fun to play with, yeah
>>55193666
Don't act like Arch Linux isn't fucking bloated because it is... Immature Systemd and software anarchy. God, I can't fucking stand the Arch Linux community.
>>55194803
but... can you convince management to let you use Debian "testing" though...
>>55191535
You don't proofread each line of code before compilation and you know it.
>>55189970
After the embracement of systemd, none.
>>55194839
Tbqh, my production systems stick to Debian stable.
Debian testing is fine for a dev machine or a desktop.
Depending on what you are doing, it might work fine on a production server, but you need to make sure you'll be able to rollback if something goes wrong.
>>55194877
you don't have to
nobody has the balls to openly waste a vulnerability on you like that
at least with a binary distro they can keep it hidden
>>55194933
Please stop with that.
The war on this is way too passionate.
Switch to the fork if it is that much of a concern.
>>55194933
systemd in itself is fine
The fuckery that happens with some services (tftp-hpa, openssh-server for example) is not.
Debian literally starts tftpd before autofs and i'm forced to restart the TFTP server after each reboot.
Same thing happens with openssh-server, when systemd deactivates network interfaces before killing sshd.
>>55195050
Systemd will be the reason of Linux death. Normies will always use windows and mac, while Linux suffocates in monstrosity of systemd spaghetti code.
>>55195166
but that's just plain non-sense.
at worst it will slow down the development of distributions that made it the default.
Nothing to do with Linux itslef
tcp/ip stack has been for a long time a monstrusoity of spaghetti code, linux didn't die
>>55195166
>Systemd will be the reason of Linux death.
That's absurd.
systemd speeds up boot times and that's good on desktop machines.
Meanwhile, Linux maket share shits on Windows/MacOS on the server and mobile devices markets.
>>55195212
Systemd is the another X window system, X11. As it is the standard it stays the standard for decades.
If you and the other Linux users believe that X11 could be easily replaced, then Linux is lost.
>>55195290
>If you and the other Linux users believe that X11 could be easily replaced, then Linux is lost.
What is Wayland ?
What is XWayland ?
>>55195331
It took only 30 years to replace it. Yay! Is it even commonly used?
>>55195290
>If you and the other Linux users believe that X11 could be easily replace
actually, it can be easily removed.
Isn't that sufficient ?
I don't think X had any impact on server or super-calculators
>>55195383
Why are you even in this thread faggot?
>>55195383
Landuke, plz leaf.
>>55192471
With debian it's an army of angry women hating autists that proof read all the approved patches.
With Ubuntu it's a few debian guys/women that got kicked out and now don't have a say because Cananical approves everything.
NSA doesn't make an account and just load up the botnet.
>>55189970
A better question is what reasons there are for using Ubuntu over Debian as a server. All Ubuntu adds on top of Debian is some retarded so-called "user-friendly" GUI server tools and stuff like ConsoleKit that makes security more complex and less transparent.
I've never understood what the reasons ever were for creating the Server variant of Ubuntu to begin with. It just seems completely superfluous.
>>55195491
finally a good answer
already summed up in
>>55194653
>>55191111
Quads of truth
>>55189970
Ubuntu is Debian + Bloat, literally.
Pic related, both servers have fresh installs of each. Check the RAM usage.
>>55195604
LOL
>>55195604
bash 4.3.30
-> you need a patch bro...
dunno about CVEs ?
>>55195656
It's already patched pham
Debian Stable = secure but old packages
Ubuntu Stable = Debian Stretch/testing with bloat.
ubuntu is literally Debian repackage with a botnet. and if you dont believe me about the botnet, go ask Microsoft about Ubuntu.
>>55195604
try again.
>>55195835
Seems like a version of ubuntu server especially made for the OrangePi. I installed the regular ubuntu server that's available on the website.
>>55195880
its headless on bootup, i have mate installed.
>>55196002
yame for my ubuntu server, but it doesn't have a DE installed. To be honest the RAM usage is strangely high, going to check why that is.
>>55189970
>for a server
None
Right Now
>>55196031
>>55196002
k, seems like there were multiple database connections still running. rebooted it and it's considerably less RAM used now. But still almost double the Debian server.
>>55196166
>graphical install
>>55196187
and what
>>55196214
exactly
>>55196214
git gud
>>55195835
>Packages: 1200
LOL
>>55195604
>uptime
>7h
kek
>>55196343
as I said, fresh install
>>55196316
Do you know what he does with his Computer? Are you one of these "le many packages are bloat XDDDDDD" faggots who are 100% clueless?
>>55189970
The release version of Debian is a stable choice for a computer that is about 3 to 5 years old. Any newer and you may have to do the LOLBACKPORT abomination.
I have had Debian in my server since like 4 years ago. Needless to say, it has never given me any problem.
>>55191483
I just checked this out, and it looks interesting but I can't tell what the fuck it is. Pls explain.
>>55194612
The reply was to the guy asking if Debian being stable and secure was true. He made no mention of using AWS or apps and is thus irrelevant in this context. Debian still remains stable, secure and flexible with the appropriate knowledge.
>>55195166
>Systemd will be the reason of Linux death.
Nigga please. Linux will be eternal. It's everywhere, it's literally everywhere except most people's desktop.
>>55196187
>>55196291
>frogposting
>>>/reddit/
>>55196187
Is this even a problem? I navigate it using the keyboard. The default installer is practically the same.
>>55196291
Arch community actually thinks they are 1337 for copying and pasting commands lmao
>>55195491
canonical offers support and has it's own management framework, landscape
>>55189970
PPC64 SPARC ARM
>>55197430
What is arch for anyway? I feel debian is way more usable as it's so architecture independant, whereas arch only runs on x86 and AMD64. Debian is available for literally everything and can run everything is the architecture is fitting.
So why use arch? Only because of the community and the docs?
>>55197925
>is the
*if the
goddamnit, today I make lots of stupid typos somehow
>>55197925
For having fun messing with Linux. Not fit for work.
>>55189990
/thread
>>55197028
It's an OS that's meant to be deployed on several servers with the applications being deployed in their own docker containers. Meant for micro-service based apps.
There's no reasons
>>55189970
Debian has a faster release track and has its uses, but overall for a production environment I recommend RHEL/CentOS or at least Ubuntu.
>>55195604
>server
>ATI Turks Pro
>>55201673
had some boot problems, i think the mainbord will soon be a goner. I didn't have a GPU in at the beginning but I need to check when it fucks up at boot time, hard to do that over ssh
>Not using CentOS
>>55201774
tell us about it, explain the benefits. Or is ist just mindless elitism?
>>55201801
Yup, using the industry standard is mindless elitism.
>>55189970
You asked /g/, /g/ provided cancerous answers.
I know for a fact that over 90% of you fat useless cunts don't even know what is different with ubuntu and debian server,
Stop thinking you know everything and fuck off and get cancer. K.
>>55202174
any sources to back that up?
>>55201801
It is a very stable and well supported server,
If you never want your server to have software issues then use CentOS/Red Hat.
>>55201801
10 year maintenance window and less garbage shuffling fuckery than Debian and Debian-based distros engage in.
On the down side, yum still sucks more than apt, and it's on the whole a lot less admin friendly than Debian.
I can see reasons to use either depending on the situation.
>>55202234
So, pretty much:
>solid mission critical server -> CentOS
>home server fuckery -> Debian
?
>>55195093
pretty sure you can fix that by editing their respective files in /etc/init.d/ and adjusting the start and stop requirements
>>55202248
>mission critical server -> RHEL, SLES
>solid server without professional support -> CentOS, OpenSUSE
>less solid but slightly easier to manage server -> Ubuntu, Debian
>non-productive home server fuckery -> Gentoo
>>55195604
What else did you install with the server? I installed as little as possible and went from there and the ram usage was nowhere near that high m8.
>>55191483
>>55197028
I've been using it at work for 6 months now and let me tell you - I'm never going back.
>>55204217
read the thread
>>55204188
dubs of shill
