Which president will be worse for privacy /g/?
We all know that both Clinton and Trump are both NSA shill.
Trump will be worse for privacy worldwide.
Hillary will be worse for American's privacy.
Anyone who says otherwise is uninformed, shitposting, or a shill.
>>55137337
Please be bait.
Clinton is the worst in all aspects.
Trump can't be bought and will use the office to wipe out his business rivals.
Hilary can be bought.
>>55137325
Clinton. She doesn't even care about her own privacy.
>>55137346
Which are you?
>>55137397
everyone can be bought, you just need to find out what it is they want. trump doesnt need money but there is always something
>>55137466
What could a man like trump possibly want.
>>55137474
Hair
>>55137474
power. but the thing is even if he is potus he wont get to do any of the things he wants except maybe gun laws as he wants the same as the nra mostly. his wall, banning muslims, etc. just aint gonna happen.
this is what i dont understand about it all. anyone can say random shit like he is doing but that doesnt mean you can do it. hell obama could even get gitmo closed, how the hell do people thinking trump will get mexico to build a wall or ban a nation that literally does trillion dollar business with the US?
>>55137506
i mean COULDNT close gitmo.
Between crooked hillary or the Teflon Don I think you are both fucked but hillary will be better for technology general due to forcing the smart guns.
>>55138025
Clinton had her own email server, trump claimed to not use email when he was trying to sue someone who building a casino where he wanted to build one.
I'm voting for trump because when it comes to privacy and technology, he's the lesser evil. Gary Johnson isn't going to win, I don't want government tyranny replaced with unregulated corporate tyranny.
At least with trump libcucks won't lock up my guns every time some insane chucklefuck decided to go shoot up a bunch of people.
>>55137325
It's hard. Trump strikes me more as someone who goes "muh terrorism, let's get rid of encryption and let's make surveillance mandatory for all citizens". To which other politicians, while fully agreeing with him of course, will still go, "nah Trump, that's to much" and nothing will really come of it, like a lot of his politics will, Eyy!
I think he's certainly the more aggressive one against privacy, but Hillary has the sneakiness to get more shit through I could imagine. She well be more of an Obama who will slowly and slowly try to let slip things through. Trump will argue for more dangerous stuff, but I think Hillary might get more things done in the end.
Either way, America is totally royally fucked no matter which one you vote for.
>>55137474
Power. Powerful people always want more power and control.
His attitude towards can be read through these lenses. He has no need for money, prestige, or friends. He's willing to burn bridges to achieve control and power. Making him a very dangerous president if elected, regardless of his actual policies, they will all be geared toward these points.
>>55137325
>implying it matters who you vote for
Both are terrible. Trump also hates the internet. Hillary will be bought out by cable companies easily
>>55137397
Trump has been bought before and even recently
>>55139567
But dems still have their FCC guy, who's doing somethings.
>>55137325
Well considering hillary is a globalist I imagine she would be more productive surveillance. Trump is also a ziocuck but at least from what I've heard he's anti globalist. I'll take Trump
>>55137474
Immortality
>>55139602
probably doesn't matter much. Sanders would be best for the internet, but some people really don't like him.
>people think Trump could possibly win
>>55139635
Ofcourse. The republicans see somewhat similar picture, but they want corporates to gain control instead of people. Its fucking weird. Trump is literally the definition of corporatism. Yet they believe he stands for common people.
>>55139630
Do you really think Trump-sama would sell our souls?
>>55137325
Trump is pro-freedumb while clinton is pro-NSA police state botnet.
>>55139659
Trump's run is over says increasingly nervous man for the 14th time this week
>>55137474
Import wives
>>55137325
Hillary will be far worse. Not only will she expand what companies can collect, she will create laws forcing backdoors thus weakening overall security. Look at her personal server: a fucking VNC console connected directly to the internet, no firewall, no NAT, nothing.
At least Trump has the sense not to mess with things he doesn't understand.
>>55139838
>Trump is pro-freedumb
Are we telling jokes here?
>>55140601
>At least Trump has the sense not to mess with things he doesn't understand.
Isn't that like his whole thing? Making some outlandish statement on a thing he has no real knowledge about then just sort of ignoring or backtracking on it?
>>55137337
Trump has said that he thinks what the NSA are doing is crazy, but is a situational liar and could change his mind or not even bother.
Clinton censored search results of her on google and pussy foots around every NSA related question.
Pick your poison, burgerland.
>>55140665
Fairly certain both have said straight out they support NSA and surveillance and on some level wants backdoors.
It's funny how Bernie doesn't seem THAT bad anymore when the alternative is Hillary. Shame he's a socialist cuck and all.
>>55140645
In the case of the NSA all you have to do is convince Trump that they're projecting pictures of his balls on big screens and laughing.
>Libertarian presidential nominee Gary Johnson says he'd sign an executive order eliminating America's National Security Agency if he wins the 2016 election. And he's also forcefully arguing that domestic surveillance of internet activity and phone calls in the United States is worse than in China. Johnson took issue with an interviewer at The Daily Beast who pointed out that China monitors political dissidents, saying "What do you call the NSA and the satellites that are trained on us and the fact that 110 million Verizon users are having everything we do on our cell phones being data-collected?"
Johnson also wants to abolish the Internal Revenue Service, replacing both income taxes and corporate taxes with a single federal consumption tax, and says he'd be willing to sign legislation eliminating the Department of Education, the Department of Housing and Urban Development, and the Department of Commerce, which he says fuels "crony capitalism". "I'll sign legislation to eliminate any federal agency that they present me with."
Johnson has also said that if he were elected President, he'd pardon Edward Snowden.

>>55140707
>Shame he's a socialist cuck and all.
Democratic Socialist != Socialist
He's in support of programs much like those in the early 1900s. i.e. 40 hour work week, reasonable pay, etc
To everyone assuming Democratic Socialism is bad, research American history. Capitalism has already proven what a shitshow it can be unregulated.
>>55140725
>intelligent and rational people in post industrial oval office
Never gon' happen.
It's trump going to take our anime away?
>>55140834
Yes, and it serves you right for not making America great again, by not jacking off to Bugs Bunny cartoons.
>>55140834
Yes, Clinton will let you do it, but watch and record it, going on your personal NSA file. Dont get van'd anon.
>>55140745
Nigga I'm Swedish, I know first hand the horrors of social democracy. For every positive there is a huge looming negative.
Free higher education=highest student loans in Europe, possibly the world
Free healthcare=Understaffed hospitals and Underpaid under performing workers
Public housing=No housing
Social Welfare=Huge taxes and budget cuts
Social Corporatism=No Corporations
And so on.
>the woman who is funded by all the international banksters, muslims, soros, crooks, ISPs, media outlets, the one who has their search results altered by google, scandals buried by the media, and stories altered by reddit, etc.
>or the guy who is self funded and hated by all of them
gee i wonder
>>55140929
To be fair. What does that have to do with their stance on privacy?
I mean Trump himself have have been pretty damn anti-privacy so far.
>>55138392
>unregulated corporate tyranny
that is exactly what you are going to get with Trump.
>>55139452
spot on.
>>55140601
>> At least Trump has the sense not to mess with things he doesn't understand.
>what are politics
>>55140978
who wants anti-privacy? thats right, the people who control hillary. hillary is an actor performing for her masters. under her, its a guarantee you have no privacy. under trump, at least theres a chance since he is his own man.
>>55140989
Lolbergs want the government to be so minimal that its a puppet to powerful megacorps, not trump.
>>55141006
I mean. Fair enough but that doesn't change Trumps stance. They are both anti-privacy.
>>55140909
How it would pan out in the US with a Democratic-Socialist president:
Free Higher Education - never (unless it's amended to only apply to degrees in need)
Free Healthcare - Let's be honest, there are too many poor Republicans for the country to be able to afford this. The good news is they'll all vote against it.
Public housing - Would never happen in the US
Social Welfare - We have this as well although it is on a limited basis and is primarily used by those whose companies don't pay them adequately. The actual "welfare kings" are corporations that get tax breaks for doing business in certain areas.
Social Corporatism - Never in the US
Bernie isn't the first socialist-leaning candidate. FDR was. Eisenhower was. Nixon enacted tons of socialist-leaning laws/regulations.
>>55141009
>Lolbergs want the government to be so minimal that its a puppet to powerful megacorps
So. He wants keep the status quo you mean?
>>55141006
Trump absolutely craves attention, and he doesn't care whether it's good or bad. Someone like that will never be their own man.
ITT: Not a single source for any of these claims.
>>55141046
You don't know how to google?
>>55141024
>Free Higher Education
I think some states or country was testing that in a different way. Basically give them free higher education, however when they work, portion of their money gets taken out until fully repaid.
>Public Housing for homeless
This could reduce the money spend on prison/jail and keep the homeless out of the cold. Two way street that works but the initial investment is something people don't want to pay. Need a smarter city that can plan ahead to implement these features.
>Social welfare
America doesn't have smart politicians to do this properly, whatever system there is would be a disaster. Only way it will be done is through a huge collapse of economy, like the 20s' social security.
Still though, a single biggest thing that could change the US population's outlook is increase of unions.
>>55141086
Do you?
>>55141105
I'm fairly adept at it.
>>55137397
>Trump can't be bought
But he's already doing deals with Sheldon Adelson for campaign financing.
>>55137325
Clinton is like a taxi cab driver in NYC. Guaranteed to be shitty and rip you off but you'll most likely get to your destination.
Trump is like a brand new Uber driver with no reviews but has a nice profile. Could be the best ride of your life or you could end up dead in an alley.
>>55141115
Then you should be able to provide sources, google isnt one.
>>55138392
>I'm voting for trump because when it comes to privacy and technology, he's the lesser evil. Gary Johnson isn't going to win
If you're voting for the lesser of two evils, you're still voting for evil. Vote for who you agree with, not who you think might win. If everyone wastes their votes on Gary Johnson together, he'll win.
>>55141136
I'm far to lazy to do that.
>>55141119
bu- bu- but trump is self-financed!
>I wonder why he's loaning himself all that money, and why his normal contribution amount is so low...
>>55141090
>like the 20s' social security.
Social security had nothing to do with stock prices plummeting. Based on the cycle of the economy we can expect this to occur every 90 years.
>a single biggest thing that could change the US population's outlook is increase of unions.
Eh, there's a balance that has to be struck with unions. They can strongarm small business just as much as they help employees.
>>55137397
>"He is rich therefore he can't be bought"
>>55141146
It's pointleas to vote for someone who's not going to win.
>but if le everyone would vote vor...
Fuck off
>>55137474
Normal sized hands
>>55141197
So instead you vote for a candidate that goes against something you believe in?
Your values equal that of Moot.
>>55141197
Not him but if Trump isn't that much better than Clinton that means Clinton isn't that much worse than Trump. If Clinton gets elected not much will change but a Gary Johnson presidency will make things infinitely better.
>>55138392
>I don't want government tyranny replaced with unregulated corporate tyranny.
At least this guy gets it. Unaccountable power is worse than an even mildly accountable power.
>>55141181
Something happened in 73 that changed the course of US economy.
>>55137337
>Trump will be worse for privacy worldwide.
>Hillary will be worse for American's privacy.
Shillary is pro ttip and tpp, afaik Trump has spoken against them
>>55137474
Honestly from his speeches, it's pretty clear he loves America. He's tired of govt incompetency and wants to take control of the wheel to MAGA.
Not saying that he's capable of doing that nor the best person to try it but at least I think we can say he's genuine.
>>55137325
Doesn't matter.
If you're using social networks and free internet services, your internet privacy is mostly likely already long gone.
As for your local data, as long as you don't install anything stupid in your PC and keep your drives encrypted, there's nothing the government can do.
NSA is the least of my concerns when it comes to the candidates.
>>55141167
Self funds go into the same category as candidate loans
>>55141227
Nixon gambit. Freezing wages and prices. Obviously a failed policy.
>>55141227
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_oil_crisis
That was the major catalyst for bringing in all the Neoliberal policies that caused wages to lag behind productivity so much (privatisation, deregulation, trade liberalisation, destruction of unions, tax cuts for the rich, end of capital controls etc.).
>>55141239
It seems to me he focuses to much on some issues I.E, LET'S BUILD A WALL DUDES! and to little on other areas to the point where he himself doesn't even know where he stands and just goes along or against stuff seemingly at random.
>>55141248
Are you sure? Are you sure they don't go under 'Candidate contributions'?
>>55141246
>as long as you don't install anything stupid in your PC and keep your drives encrypted, there's nothing the government can do
If you still want that then the NSA should be of your concerns. Backdoors are troublesome enough as it is. Soon there won't even be any point in encrypting stuff if the NSA gets their way.
>>55141276
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.fec.gov/rad/candidates/documents/CanGuide91013-104.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwiBxKnJ_bHNAhXB6x4KHaU6DRcQFggbMAA&usg=AFQjCNHTr_5XgZpqDdlSdFHne_lmRUqC8g&sig2=MOS9cpgw_fu2p-GZZmsv7Q
>>55137325
Privacy is going down the shitter either way, but Clinton is basically South America tier as far as being transparently corrupt goes.
A lot of people here are probably too young to remember when she kept hundreds of her political enemies' FBI files in the White House for a few years, or how her lacky was caught smuggling secret documents literally jammed down his pants.
Trump will literally wall off beaners and muslims, but Hillary will likely use every ounce of power available (legal or otherwise) to further empower herself and punish her enemies and critics.
Better hope you haven't been too critical of her on the interwebs, ever, or you might just find your future a less pleasant existence.
>>55139857
That was the GOP nomination you twat, do you really think Hillary would lose
Worse comes to worse the results will be fabricated
>>55141268
>too little on other areas to the point where he himself doesn't even know where he stands and just goes along or against stuff seemingly at random
Genuinely curious but do you have an example? Sure, I totally get that he flip-flops a lot but I think he flip flops on the things that really don't matter except to the PC police (i.e. transgendered bathrooms, gay marriage, etc.). His general stance on these social issues is leave it to the states.
>>55141290
That doesn't prove your claim at all.
>>55141341
Yes it does
>>55141297
>Trump will literally wall off beaners and muslims, but Hillary will likely use every ounce of power available (legal or otherwise) to further empower herself and punish her enemies and critics.
That's a good point. If Trump wins nothing will really happen. He's too wacky and extreme for a lot of his stuff to ever go anywhere. He's not a medieval king, a president is more just a figure head that slightly stear the country in certain directions. While if Hillary wins she might actually do smaller stuff that while it looks small at first, will end up having big consequences down the line.
>>55141351
Oh sorry, I thought you'd actually read it. Seems like you didn't.
That's for reporting TO the FEC. Not getting information FROM the FEC. It also says that contributions and loans are handled differently.
ie. You're wrong.
>>55141309
Well. He whole abortion issue springs to mind.
>>55141388
Again, Trump probably thinks that abortion either way doesn't really matter when it comes to improving the government. The poor are going to have kids either way if we subsidize it.
>>55140707
Funny how everyone bought into the Bernie memes created by HRC shills even here on 4chan
>>55141420
>The poor are going to have kids either way if we subsidize it.
Abortion is cheaper. Economically it makes sense to allow it.
>>55141420
>Again, Trump probably thinks that abortion either way doesn't really matter when it comes to improving the government.
He would be right if that was the case
>>55141396
I'm sorry words confuse you. Especially the words 'loan' and 'contribution'
>>55139635
People were afraid that Sanders was going to raise their taxes. You can't really win on a "I'm going to raise taxes" platform. It doesn't matter if there will be long term savings because people don't think long term.
Everyone knows that Hillary is corrupt as fuck, but they don't care because she's the status quo candidate. People who are happy with the way things are are voting for Hillary.
Interestingly it may well be that the Democrats are becoming the "conservative" party and Republicans are becoming something else altogether.
It's a long shot for Trump because by trying to shift the GOP platform, he's alienated millions of old voters who simply want traditional GOP values. When Trump spouts off crazy shit, these old people literally can't wrap their minds around it.
>>55141447
Lol, you still haven't proved me wrong.
>>55137325
What are the odds that Hilary paid Trump to act like a retard so she'll get those votes?
>>55137506
t. Ben Shapiro
>>55141214
>>55141214
It's not gonna be someone different than trump and Hillary, you need to accept it because there is nothing that you could do about it. I don't agree with with anything on trump, but he is infinitely better than Hillary. She's fucking evil, she's responsible for thousands of deaths and its much note likely that there will be war under Hillary than there will be under trump.
>>55141443
Not exactly, if the government pays for food and education and a *little* extra, it's going to be a net plus for your household income. Again, this assumes you're on welfare though.
>>55141459
You proved yourself wrong when you couldn't tell the difference between a loan and a contribution.
Hint: a contribution doesn't come up under the 'debts' in the FEC summary page. Because you don't repay them.
Mark my words, Trump will be elected by clutch numbers, and Hillary will shadow-govern via something FBI-like.
>>55141500
LOL just stop
>>55141297
trump also wants to increase the nsa spying and thinks snowden was a spy planted by a foreign government.
back to /pol/ you go!
>>55141451
Trump is simply using the 21st century Southern strategy with few modifications.
He might win due to the american south being retarded and the backlash against what others see as failed liberal policies.
>>55141552
But in the primaries, he won the north too. NH and PA are now swing states as a result.
>>55141497
I think we're referring to different entities saving money. The public saves money with abortion because the child isn't raised off taxes. Although it could be argued that the individual adds to the future workforce, they would most likely add to the bottom (which will ultimately be replaced by robots).
>>55137403
Good bern, anon!
>>55141529
>trump also wants to increase the nsa spying
Here's your source for you:
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/261673-trump-sides-with-rubio-over-cruz-in-nsa-surveillance
Use it so next time you don't look like your pulling shit out your ass
>>55141582
Yeah, I think so too. Still though, my point is that if a family is going to make money by making more babies, they won't have abortions (even if they're legal) and it will have a net negative effect on the country.
We want to incentivize less poor children not encourage abortions among the poor. they can use contraceptives too but they *choose* not to because the children will bring more welfare.
>>55141642
>December 2015
yeah, with trump anything that old isnt a valid source since he changes his mind whenever people give him shit.
nice try though shill, he still said snowden was a spy planted by foreign governments.
sorry kiddo but i will not play along, go play back some the recent debates before you try to pull sources from a fucking year ago out of YOUR ass
>>55141580
NH has always been a republican state, they swing in recent years but thats that.
PA will probably go Demo, but yeah they're swing states.
>>55141642
Thats half a year old. Your point is invalid. It might be valid with Bernie shitter, but with Hilary or Trump, neither can keep their word.
>>55141690
>he still said snowden was a spy planted by foreign governments.
Ok then faggot, where's your source for this, recent past or during the year 2016?
http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/267826-government-software-may-have-let-in-foreign-spies ?
>>55141227
This is actually a good thing, it means we're efficient
>>55141762
>we
If you're not part of the 1%, then you don't count. Wealth/economic policy has made them efficient. Not you. You've stayed same or rather decreased in inefficiency. The same money you earn now mean much less than it used to do.
>>55137397
Hillary already *is* bought.
Trump is ignorant about most things and will probably propose a lot of really dumb things to appeal to dumb republicans. I'm pretty sure Hillary is not ignorant she just acts like it.
>>55141803
Is 70k close enough?
>>55141167
he loaned himself that money from his company you massive fucking idiot
please don't vote, you're uninformed as fuck
never thought I'd see huffingtonpoz memes and idiots on 4chan, but this place has really gone to shit
Trump is broke, he has no money.
>>55137474
Well he wants to be president apparently.
>>55137474
He wants to make America great again
>>55141836
yeah dumb republicans who care about things like jobs and having things every country should have, like a border, and not informed democrats who care about the """wage gap""", having a "woman president" and tranny bathrooms
>>55141917
Republicans were the ones that brought up tranny bathrooms though. Before they brought it up everyone just went were they felt comfortable.
>>55141197
My point is that enough people agree with Gary that he could win, if only those people actually voted for him. Even if he doesn't win, this will be his best election yet and will pave the way for a win in the future.
>>55141917
>having a "woman president"
I think only Hillary's actual supporters care about that, liberal faggots care about Bernie. They'd vote for Hillary given the choice between Trump and Hillary but they wont vote for her because she's a woman they're voting against Trump.
>>55141945
Well, democrats brought us radical Islam, which is quite a bit more problematic that some tranny faggots.
>>55141841
Average income in '73 is around $13000. Average NEW house was around 2.5x that.
Average new house costs ~300K in US. Thats 4.3X your salary.
I'd say its a negative inefficiency.
>>55137325
RMS supports Bernie
>>55137325
clinton already has the election bought and paid for. had it since before trump came into the picture.
he made it easier for her, actually, since she could just pay to have him win all the primaries instead of his competitors.
>>55141945
democrats run their platform on promising to fix bullshit issues of "inequality" and phantom discrimination and then never doing anything to fix so they can run their campaign on it again next year, these are banana republic strategies, hence why they're trying to turn the country into one
>>55141977
bernie supports are fucking retards too, like him, who required an economic growth of 10% a year to supplement his atrocious tax policies
>>55139635
Because he's a socialist you fucking dipshit.
>>55142014
>never doing anything
Like Obama?
You should read up on why they "never do anything". Its because the Republican congress blocks democratic pollicies. The congress won't do anything and therefore Obama has to force stuff via executive orders. (Protip, Bush used more if you don't recall.)
>>55137325
the free college guy
>>55142014
I think with Bernie it's a pretty safe bet nothing would get passed. With Hillary she's sneaky enough she'd probably be able to pass some things but not everything that the liberals expect. Trump would probably end up somewhere between those two. He'd probably get some things passed but a lot of his plans would be stopped in the house or senate because they're just too far out there.
I'm expecting 4 more years of basically nothing getting done.
>>55142068
If bush used more, how come the Republicans don't complain about getting cock blocked?
>>55142092
myopia bias
>>55141197
>It's pointleas to vote for someone who's not going to win.
By that logic it's pointless to vote for someone who is already going to win
>>55139452
>Either way, America is totally royally fucked no matter which one you vote for.
this
>>55142110
>>55142092
http://www.politico.com/story/2007/12/obstruction-who-cares-007371
Story from 2007. It should sound eerily similar, except switch republicans and democrat.
People in the political business seem "out of touch with reality" when reality is people are out of touch with politics. We as people only selectively tune in and out and selectively remember events and then forget others.
Those in the political business have long memory because of their focus/work/job. They seem out of touch with reality because the reality is we're out of touch.
>>55142068
is the fact presidents abuse executive orders supposed to be a good thing?
man sure glad Obama is abusing executive orders to remove terrorists from a watch list and supplant unvetted rapefugees, sure has done a lot for income inequality and race relations too, but I guess even after executive overreach everything is those dastardly republicans fault
>>55142192
Constitution gives the president Executive Order power.
Abuse is usage outside the norm.
>>55141226
>he doesn't realize the government is a corporation
>>55137506
>ban a nation
How do people still say this? Do you believe every single immigrant is illegal in the US too? I saw a video of a nigger who strongly believed so.
The opinions ITT are hilarious.
>>55141884
Okay, I doubt that, but okay.
Now, how is that relevant to the thread?
Besides, how is having no money relevant to his presidency?
>>55142688
People have short memory. If you don't keep up the ads/put him on TV, then they will forget about him soon enough. Right now he's popular because he's been on the TV more htan almost every other candidate's TV coverage combined.
>Hitler or stalin
Oh man what choices
>>55137325
Definitely Donald Trap will be worse for American's and worldwide privacy.
>>55139936
Wish granted
>>55137325
hillary because she knows how it feels
>>55142732
How does that answer my questions?
I'm starting to believe that people who oppose trump are dumb ones.
>>55141529
>>55141642
>>55141690
>>55141726
Trump will certainly expand surveillance as would Hillary, but I at least have some degree of trust it wouldn't be for personal gain.
He seems to be almost certainly a megalomaniac, and I don't see him doing anything nonsensical except to increase his personal reputation, even if only by proxy by trying to make his country, administration, etc. look better.
Hillary OTOH is basically a less scrupulous version of Nixon plus menopause plus low grade brain trauma from concussions/clotting.
Both candidates will be bad for the country, but Hillary will do more harm, faster, and be shielded by the media while she does it.
Remember how much flak Bush 2.0 got for the wars and domestic spying, with nightly death tolls on half the major networks? And how much opposition do you recall to Obama's incursions/regime topplings (undeclared wars not voted on by Congress) in Libya, Syria, etc.? Conservative administrations at least keep the media half way honest, even if policies aren't all that different.
>>55141517
Seems like he has you anon don't play dumb now
There is absolutely nothing that could be said or done to get me to vote for Hillary.
>>55143003
If he has no money to pay for tv ads, then there would be no exposure. Presidency is all about who can get the most exposure these days.
No exposure = loss of presidency
>>55140665
Clinton did no censor results. The same searches don't come up for Trump
These candidates are both complete shit.
If you ameritards don't vote in a third party this time around you'll be beholden to the oligarchy forever.
>most are "with HER" on this board
I didn't know /g/ was so manly and filled with real men
>>55146622
Trump is better than any EU politician.
>>55146653
Talking about "better" here makes no sense.
>>55146622
>implying it's not the Jew who decides who gets in and that average voter doesn't count for shit
at the end of the day i'd take illegals and muslims over niggers every day of the week. since trump panders to the latter and shits on the former it's impossible for me to vote for him.
>>55146769
and shillary panders to both
your point?
>>55137325
well considering that privacy is already FUBAR.
Clinton will do and say nothing, and actively cover up anything they are doing (same as now)
Trump will constantly talk about how shit the NSA is, and proceed to make it incrementally worse citing terrorism.
So either no change and silent, or make it worse while actively talking against it. I think that means Trump would be worse, but one could argue that the media attention he would garner will help future presidents actually fix the issue.
>>55141984
>democrats brought us radical islam
oh it was democrats that invaded the middle east and fucked their shit so the only governing bodies were extremists?
are democratic officials secretly muslims converting their constituents into muslims?
Most of the terrorism that takes place in the US is from US citizens, who buy weapons legally. Even Trump's ban wouldn't so shit to stop this, unless he actually plans on making the Auschwitz of Islam.
>>55147864
yeah Omar Mateen sounds as American as apple pie
>unless he actually plans on making the Auschwitz of Islam
would be nice
>>55147864
>implying terrorism is a major issue
>>55147864
>most terrorism comes from """US""" citizens, so we should import more jihadis
you're dumb as fuck, if his mudslime parents weren't allowed in then Orlando wouldn't have happened
>>55147908
What happened last week in Orlando?
>>55147864
>Most of the terrorism that takes place in the US is from US citizens, who buy weapons legally. Even Trump's ban wouldn't so shit to stop this, unless he actually plans on making the Auschwitz of Islam.
...wait what? I'm pretty sure Orlando and 911 were perpetrated by Muslims. All he's advocating is a temporary ban on immigration until we have a solution to Islamic extremism. We're not obligated to import all the Syrian refugees are we?
>>55149477
>50 people died
Big deal
In terms of deaths from certain things terrorism is quite low on the list
>>55149508
>I'm pretty sure Orlando and 911 were perpetrated by Muslims.
Because US Citizens can't be Muslim, huh.
>>55137397
Trump is the asshole buying out politicians, basically he just decided it was better to cut out the middle man/woman.
>>55149565
This. Your chance of being shot to death by the police while unarmed is greater. Worldwide, the per capita death rate due to Islamic terrorism is only something like 8x greater than the rate US police shoot unarmed suspects in the States.
The "religion of war and murder," with 1.7 billion active participants is really, really, really, really bad at killing people.
>>55151270
Not to mention that the orlando shooting wasn't actually an act of terror, but a butthurt self-hating faggot.
People say Trump can't be bought, but he hasn't shown any signs that he thinks he has enough money, he's always wanted more.
>>55151331
Well the 'trump can't be bought' thing usually stems from him already having money.
Not sure you run for president if you want more money. If he wanted more money he'd have just paid shillary to have the US government reduce his taxes (from 0% ?) or something.
>>55151347
The Clintons already have money too, so that argument falls apart.
>>55151374
Well the clintons got their money from the politics (mostly personal donations from the chinese to pass trade laws making it harder to manufacture things in america), trump got his from business.
>>55137397
>trump can't be bought
>will sell out literally anyone for profit
top kek, he's literally the big business that you fucks are complaining the country is being cucked by.
How is this /pol/ thread still here?
What are the mods even doing?
>>55151400
I'm sure he could adapt.
>>55137325
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9tkPALA42A
Daily reminder that Trump is a sack of shit that will literally slander any one that gets in his way and defend himself by saying 'it's free speech and I'm not politcally correct' This includes blatant lies and character assassination by using his money to smother the messaging.
If you enjoy this, very soon you'll be a 'pedophile nerd that hides in his basement and doesn't deserve the freedom of this great country'. And that 'Anyone who has anything to hide is a terrorist and needs to be tortured and detained indefinitely without trial'. He's already this much of a retarded asshole now, just wait till he gets to be president.
>>55151331
Not being able to be bought isn't even a plus when you're clinically retarded. The buyer's goal is probably not in my best interest, but it's also not likely in my worst, because they're still quite keen on having the world still be around. The Koch brothers aren't going to lobby Trump to launch ICBMs at Russia, but if Putin publicly disagrees with Trump, Trump might do that on his own.
I'll take measured self-serving greed over batshit egomania.
>>55151499
He already sold his soul to money years ago, I don't understand why everyone says he can't be 'bought'
He's already bought by corporate interests because he literally is a giant blob of corporate interest.
>>55151270
>muslim apologists
Clean my shoe Ahmed and shut up
>>55151519
Trump is a psychopath. He never had any morals to sell in the first place. Everything is a con with him.
Trump doesn't have corporate interests in mind, he has nobody's interest in mind except his own very short-term gain. He builds houses of cards, and he's only made money because a few times the bullshit he peddled actually worked, and other times it squeaked out a success after years of endless toil by his investors who couldn't afford to lose everything.
Trump is very good at convincing others to invest in him, and most of them do not come out the better for it.
>>55151662
>Doesn't have corporate interests in mind
He's a walking talking corporation.
>>55151676
There's nothing corporate about him.
>China China China China China China China
Corporations don't want less China, they want more. More cheap labor and access to 1.4 billion consumers.
>wall wall wall wall wall wall wall
The housing market is already seeing the cost of new construction skyrocket because the Mexicans are staying home.
Exactly what corporate interest has he peddled? "I'm gonna be so good with the economy," says literally nothing. He has no plan about anything and that's blatantly obvious.
>>55151519
Trump can't be bought by corporate interests because he is corporate interests.
Instead of having foxes donate money to 'help design' the chicken coop, the foxes are just running to design the coop directly.
>>55151792
>corporatiosn don't want less China,
He doesn't like China because it's not in his corporate interest. Corporations don't all like China dumb dumb.
>Build a wall
The cost of construction literally has nothing to do with him, if the cost of construction goes up uniformly, he'll just jack up the prices of his wares and make more money ultimately citing 'labor costs'. Please eat shit and die if you drank the koolaid.
>>55151792
Yeah he's going to stop 'illegal immigration' then give out visas to all comers so he can finance his construction endeavors while freezing out other industries.
>We need more workers to build the Great America we're now living in, I love tacos.
>>55137325
Clinton is part of the crowd who put America in the situation it is in now. If you don't believe me; look at her voting record, the bills she endorsed, the defense contractors she recently appointed to help the DNC.
People who are left of center would be foolish for voting for her, they forget to soon the Clinton administration was responsible for three strikes laws, the defense of marriage act, and are the people who initiated the don't ask don't tell policy. People who are worded about privacy need to remember their administration passed CALEA which was a major wiretapping law. Trump is an idiot but the worst he will do is showboat and waste money, Hilary will expand dangerous legislation.
>>55152075
>He doesn't like China because it's not in his corporate interest.
He says he doesn't like China because he knows rednecks eat that up. "Dey took our jerbs!"
>The cost of construction literally has nothing to do with him, if the cost of construction goes up uniformly, he'll just jack up the prices of his wares
What wares? Don't you know that Trump doesn't make anything?
>>55152232
Trump has most of his money in construction.
>Trump doesn't make anything
It might be well hidden behind shell companies to pay little to no tax but Trump is literally big gambling and construction.
Which candidate is the best for Europe?
>>55152268
None of the above
>>55152289
Nice non-answer. I mean overall.
>>55152254
>Trump has most of his money in construction.
No he doesn't. Jesus Christ, people think Trump not only still builds things, but that he has ever built anything with his own money?
>>55152254
Trump licenses his name to buildings other people build though. His money is actually in real estate.
>>55152347
>>55152358
He really does, he owns lots and lots of land fucktard. He'll just demolish his own shit and rebuild it once it gets old.
>He has ever built anything with his own money
He fucking buys giant plots of land and builds golf courses and resorts. You're a real fucking fucktard if you don't know that that's construction.
Just because he sells it away doesn't mean he didn't make his money in construction and it's basically all he knows, He buys land, turns it into giant developments and sells it for profit or collects taxes with one arm bandits and blackjack tables instead.
>>55140929
>self funded
Not even true.
>>55152268
Well, if you're scared of Russia, Clinton, since Trump has said "fuck Europe, let them defend themselves if Russia flips".
>>55152401
Not really, most Trump hotels and resorts are bought, designed, and owned by other people. He collects royalties on licensing his name, marketing them, and putting them in touch with his suppliers.
>>55152495
>not really
>Resorts are bought designed and owned by other people
>he collects royalties by licensing his name
Jesus fuck nobody gives a shit about Donald Trump, he makes money by roping in investors and selling junk bonds to fund massive developments fuckface. Can you please stop being a retard and read up on Donald Trump before blindly following the pied piper?
>>55152401
>golf courses
And that's all he has. Trump's only success is in hiring people who can grow grass.
>>55152487
I'm more scared of muslims despite bordering Russia.
>>55152521
Aren't most professional grass growers in the USA Mexicans?
>>55152514
Trump hotels like most chains are independently owned and operated. Nothing I said was wrong, he doesn't own most of the buildings. I never said I cared about him, simply pointing out he isn't some massive mogul he reports to be.
The only positive thing I have to say about Trump is as bad as he is he has no blood on his hands, and is far less evil than most American politicians. Clinton is a warmonger, look at who backs her and her voting record.
Clinton.
Trump has been sent by God to save the West.
>>55152583
That's literally like the icing on the trump cake.
His name licensing deals are minuscule, His real estate holdings can fluctuate and cut his fucking fortune by HALF.
You're fucking retarded if you think he made billions selling his shitty name through licensing deals.
>>55146596
Bro... you honestly think a Bernie bot or Trump Cuck would use logic or facts in their arguments? For christ's sake, they fucking chastized Obama for supporting her and actually think Bernie has a fucking chance of passing ANY of his legislation even with a fucking super-majority in both houses. If Obama can barely get Dems to pass the ACA which was so diluted by the time it actually got a vote, what makes them think a fucking full on Universal Single-Payer system would ever pass?
>>55152602
>You're fucking retarded if you think he made billions selling his shitty name through licensing deals.
His real estate holdings aren't related to his hotel and resort chains. I have never claimed he owns no property, merely that he doesn't own the majority of the properties with his name on them. Also it is worth noting his licensing deals bring in hundreds of millions a year.
>>55152809
He's a billionaire because of his real estate holdings, not because he's selling his shitty name.
His licensing deals are a one off fee
$100 million dollars in total. I really don't know where you're getting your information from outside of your own ass.
What kind of idiot trusts Trump? The man is a bloviating liar who will say anything to appease his retarded base.
>>55140929
>the one who has their search results altered by google
Wish /pol/ faggots would stop repeating this meme because it's hilariously false.
Google doesn't autocomplete "hillary clinton crimes" just like it doesn't autocomplete "ted kaczynski crimes" or "bernie madoff crimes"
>>55152865
I don't get why some people respond to "I will make Mexico pay for the wall" with "FUCK YEAH TRUMP" instead of "How the fuck do you plan on doing that?"
>>55152865
How is that different from HIllary?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHI
>>55152888
This is probably due to either
A) legal reasons
B) google developers are uncomfortable with developing algorithms that suggest the guilt of people
>>55137325
Both are psychopathic liars.
She's a narcissistic, unscrupulous, lying, power-hungry reptile.
He's a narcissistic manbaby who was born rich, has no sympathy whatsoever for the common man, he used illegal workers, he says whatever populistic shit will make him popular, since he got addicted to being a TV primadonna what with those reality shows which allowed him to become famous.
What can I say?
You guys got duped into voting a gay black man, who was probably born in Kenya and registered in Hawaii, to benefit from USA citizenship. You're just changing one psychopath for another.
Pick your poison.
Is it going to be the first lesbian and female president, after the first gay and black president?
Is it going to be one of the good ole rich boys who doesn't give a shit about anybody but his popularity and his Wall Street buddies?
>>55152923
It's not. You assume that because I say Trump voters are idiots that I'm a Hillary voter? Get real nigga, you're being conned by a very charismatic and skilled salesman.
I don't think Trump is an idiot, I think he's a sophisticated individual using sales and persuasion techniques on idiots to get them to vote for him.
>>55137325
Absolute Shillary
>>55152487
>Well, if you're scared of Russia, Clinton, since Trump has said "fuck Europe, let them defend themselves if Russia flips".
I think clinton plans to use Europe as a shield while she intervenes in Syria. Probably wants some sort of Euro/islamist alliance to absorb the losses while they push Russia hard enough that it splits apart from civil unrest.
To avoid nukes I imagine they will try and bait Russia into eastern europe hoping to draw them into a long and expensive conventional conflict.
>>55153016
Got a source for that?
>>55153129
His own ass, please stop listening to unemployed NEETs on geopolitics.
>>55153129
>Got a source for that?
Her leaked emails indicate she was largely behind the US attacking Libya while the Obama admin has been aggressive towards Russia the entire time. The obsession with trying to overthrow Syria makes no sense unless they consider denying Russia an ally more important than destroying countries, flooding europe with refugees and arming terrorists that often attack the west.
Trump's going to build a wall. So you can count on all those lucrative tomato picking jobs again.
>>55151573
You are basically using the same line of thinking as the people who want to ban assault rifles you tard
>>55141464
>Hilary paid Trump to act like a retard
>People like retarded Trump and vote for him
Is Sanders not running anymore?
>>55137325
You know who Trump reminds me of? This guy
>both are charming and won over a lot of people by telling them unrealistic things they want to hear
>both are basically just celebrities in politics
>both have no idea how to run a country
>both have no actual plan to fix their respective countries
It's just that one is hard left while the other is hard right, just more proof that if you go too far in either direction you go full retard
>>55146769
At least the illegals will actually do menial labour here unlike niggers
>>55152917
Because they're idiots
>>55153678
You know we subsidize illegal immigrant health care, education, and welfare right? It isn't only about dem jobs.
