now that they made a good ass affordable gpu
good ass affordable cpus when?
get a job pajeet
>>55095118
Never
>>55095118
>Immersive
It's amazing how quickly humanity advances. We're already out of the Information Age, and in the age of Immersion.
>>55095127
i do mother chode
Between Q4 2016 and Q1 2017
It all takes to shutdown this whole stragety "master plan" is for Nvidia to release a card with 6GB(completely destroy AMD 4GB sales) and one with 8GB, just slightly stronger than the 480 and costing just $20 more.
>>55095118
Wait for Zen.
>>55095405
Nvidia has been king jew for so long that they won't price it nearly that low.
>>55095434
They are smart, releasing a card that cheap with that performance will cannibalize their own sales for years.
They're already affordable though.
I'm guessing that's the plan for Zen. Hopefully they can pull it off twice.
>>55095118
LEAVE NVIDIA TO ME
>>55095118
kabini
is zen the second coming of a64?
>>55095700
probably since we know that based certified shit wrecker Jim Keller designed it
Intel CPUs are not affordable?
WTF are you on?
they have been 200€ for the same mid-range 4-cores for the past 10 years and before that 200€ for various pre-core architecture CPUs even when AMD was good.
so what are you smoking?
>>55096616
>4-cores
Look at the 8 core CPUs and compare the cost to AMD's 8 core CPUs.
>>55096879
>8-"cores"
Look at the "8 core" CPUs and compare the performance to Intels 4 core CPUs.
>>55095118
it's not even as good as a 1070 and more importantly
>no 490
I don't know what AMD is doing but they're clearly behind Nvidia as far as peak performance goes now. I just want an HBM 2 card FFS and not buy another intergenerational money milking Jew card
>>55096616
>even mobiles phones have quadcores
>have to pay 200Euromonies for Intel Quadcore
So will Zen be strictly 8-core? Seems a bit excessive. If they could just release a competitive quad-core (doesn't even need HT) for dirt cheap, we'd be set. I would like to see a Haswell i5 performing Zen CPU for say $120.
>>55095118
Probably not going to have anything that the poor faggots on /g/ will approve of until Raven Ridge launches. I imagine a middle of the line binning will please all the individuals still hanging on to their original Athlons, Phenoms, and Phenom IIs.
I'm betting that top end Summit Ridge will sell for $500, and top end Raven Ridge will sell for $250. A binned Raven Ridge with IGP fused off and no HBM on package could sell for $100~ just so they don't lose money on the wafer.
>>55095118
Why are you so poor? Doesn't AMD pay you enough to shill?
>>55095118
>>55097099
Zen is a core architecture, it is not a code name for a CPU line.
>>55097120
I don't get it. Whats the problem with the price?
>>55097099
Quadcores will be in APUs.
The pure CPUs will be 6 and 8 cores
>>55097120
>>55097119
>>55096948
>>55095405
>>55095127
>>55097120
>Omitting the 1070 prices that were $530 or more
GG shill.
>>55096616
An intel i5-2500 for 200€ from 2011 has the same speed as an i5-6400 which costs 200€ right now.
There is no progress. They keep their same overpriced costs.
>>55097180
Yes, we get it, you're a poorfag. Stop crying.
>>55097237
>i5 2500 is same as i5 6400
Got a source for that? Shouldn't you be comparing to the i5 6500? Since i5 6400 is heavily gimped and only 2.7ghz.
>>55095405
No it doesn't.
The market will automatically drop the price of the GTX 980 to sub $250 and AMD can shill till the cows come home and they will still have bad PR because of drivergate.
>>55097267
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=803&cmp[]=2578
8 CORE - 16 THREADS
$199.
8 CORE - 8 THREADS
$149
4 CORE 8 THREADS
$99
>>55097267
> Uses poorfag
> thinks sub 1000 dollar gaymer cards make him rich
Have you ever held a job before?
>>55095127
>have jerb
>work full time
>have to feed/house/myself
>have actual friends and going out is expensive
>have other hobbies and several thousands of dollars worth of music and sports gear
you know you're dealing with a NEET child or part-time worker kid still in college when they suggest everybody with an income should have a fucking 800$ GPU
>>55097339
they said they are targeting the high end desktop market. That's more than $200
>>55097349
>implying anyone is telling you to get an 800 dollar part
You're a retard.
But go ahead and keep buying that 5 year old "8 core" CPU.
>>55097366
Pay no attention to day dreaming NEETs.
Summit Ridge is a HEDT part competing directly against the intel i7 Extreme line of processors. It isn't going to be cheap, and if Raven Ridge actually features HBM it won't be cheap either.
AMD is not going to be the a budget alternative any longer. They'll compete directly on feature support and price point. They aren't going to offer an 8core CPU priced against a locked mainstream i5.
>>55097339
Why would AMD release a chip with the hyper threading disabled? It would not reduce production costs and AMD needs a high profit margin with every CPU.
Nvidia is ready to commit suicide
http://videocardz.com/61116/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-ti-gtx-980-and-gtx-970-receive-a-price-cut
We’ve just received a word from Hardware.Info that NVIDIA is issuing a price cuts for its high-end GeForce GTX 900 series.
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Ti, 980, 970 are now cheaper
In the last 24 hours the prices of many GTX 900 cards has dropped by almost 20%. According to the information provided by HWI, GeForce GTX 900 series receive the following price cuts:
GeForce GTX 980 Ti: 125 USD
GeForce GTX 980: 75 USD
GeForce GTX 970: 25 USD
>>55097468
SMT requires a special set of registers that ops get tagged in before they're handled in the load/stores to be pumped through the ALUs. If they don't yield at 100% then they get fused off, and you have a chip without hyper threading. Intel's i5 don't exist just because they like artificial segmentation, there is a legitimate reason behind it.
Though again, this retard is out of his mind for thinking Summit Ridge is going to be a bargain bin poorfaggot CPU.
>>55097525
AMD btfo
Price cuts on 2 year old cards make them better deals than AMD's flagship!!!
Its over AMD is finished and bankrupt.
>>55097237
You have no idea what you're talking about. Sandy Bridge was amazing, but it's not as fast as a Skylake chip. The latter is about 20% faster.
>>55097339
You are out of your mind. I would be surprised if high end Summit Ridge(8 cores/16 threads) was less than $600.
>>55097349
> I will be a music producer in my bedroom
Found your problem you deluded fuck
>>55096985
almost Titan performance at ~$150 level, looks bretty damn gud
>>55096985
>that close to a 290
>$150
Yo what the fuck man. What am I going to do with this boner.
>>55097431
But wouldn't AMD want to release a CPU or two that directly competes with the i5 K edition and the i7 K that uses the mainstream motherboards. Those CPUs sell very well due to them being the gaming sweet spot.
>>55098077
Get off the internet and murder yourself you neet faggot. Stop rubbing you 2 inch dick all over every thread. You are a disgusting cuck piece of shit.
>>55097273
PISSSSSSSSSSSS
>>55095405
And it'll only take another six months for Nvidia to build up enough stock to execute their strategy. Nvidia is brilliant!
>>55096879
Intel's CPUs have hyperthreading, AMD's don't. That makes a massive difference in core count vs performance.
>>55097273
>The market
njewia doesn't give a fuck when their fanboys still buy their shit no matter what. Enjoy getting walletcucked nvidifags
>>55098537
Zen CPUs have hyperthreading too.
>>55095118
Just buy a used 2500k/2600k
I plan on getting one of these suckers in a couple of months when I move, but I imagine it'll be a pretty hot item.
I'm wondering if I should just buy it on release then shelve it until I make my new computer since I've heard problems with some more popular cards being bought out and scalped for a higher price.
rx 480 for 1080p/144hz
y/n
>>55098602
Zen isn't out and the price hasn't been announced so it's currently irrelevant to this discussion of cost comparison.
>>55098722
Why not? If it's at least the meme card performance, then you're good to go.
>>55098757
okay time to wait til june 29th thx bro
>>55097273
>GTX980
>sub $250
extreme delusion
>>55095118
So is it both cheaper, and better then my 390?
>>55098820
They are already down to $300
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASUS-GeForce-GTX-980-STRIX-GTX980-DC2OC-4GD5-4GB-256-Bit-GDDR5-PCI-Express-3-0-H-/122016720632
One thing at once I guess. Intel I7's are getting cheaper which is good.
>>55098757
w8 is the rx 480 capable of running 144hz at 1080p or is 1070 better for that
>>55098878
Yeah why would you want to buy a brand new graphics card for 200 dollars, when you can get a used graphics card on ebay for 300 dollars?
>>55099031
The 1070 is obviously better for it. If you want to pay double now, then go for it. The 1070 is a good valued card, but you can't get it at a good price right now.
>>55099031
Neither will keep anything modern running at 144fps constantly.
>>55096985
assuming ~160% CF scaling, CF 470s comes in around ~15000, slotting between Fury X and 980ti
for $300
with ~170w tdp
I want to buy a <$300 video card. What should I get?
>>55097349
Get a better job.
>>55099103
RX 480
>>55095118
End of the year for desktop, next year are the Zen APUs (Summit Ridge).
>>55095405
1060 would be 3/6GB probably, not 6/8GB.
>>55095459
We're on a node shrink, and GPUs will probably be back on the tick-tock cycle, so they can produce refined but large and hot GPUs for the 500/1100 series then another die shrink will provide massive performance/watt gains again, at which time APUs will easily drive AAA games at 1080p and probably higher.
>>55096948
>I just want an HBM 2 card FFS and not buy another intergenerational money milking Jew card
If you think you need that card, you're already a good goy
>>55096985
Not sure where you got that, but I'm so glad I sold my 280x for 190USD. RX470 here I cumm
>>55097099
>>55097177
Four core and up
>>55097339
In my dreams, but I'm betting the eight core will have approximately the same launch price as the previous "eight core" FX CPUs, so 250 - 300 at the absolute least.
>>55098722
Depends on the games you're playing, check benckmarks fgt
>>55099103
8GB 480, but you'd probably be just as happy with a 4GB 470
>>55096899
let's see your 4 core bench this
>>55096307
Jim "unloading my 9 at the nvidia line" Keller
>>55097525
>GeForce GTX 980 Ti: 125 USD
>>55099990
No, you god damned nigger, that's the discount.
>>55099990
Nawwww.....you just cant read.
>>55097237
>>55098610
Unless you OC that shit to the moon and back, it will not compete with modern chips.
>>55099935
Jim 'more cores than Auschwitz had floors' Keller
>>55100386
>Exactly the same performance
>Only reason i3 is better is iGPU
Looks to me like they are very completable.
>>55095118
You have the FX 8300 at near $100, as well as the i3 6100, pick one
if you want cheaper new, there's the Athlon 845, or AM1 5350
470 or 480?
My monitor's refresh rate is apparently 75. Build im working toward an i5 6500. Mostly gonna be used for light gaming(overwatch, mmos,). Want an 480 but I don't know it'd I'll update my monitor anytime soon to take full advantage and its one less check I have to save up.
>>55100913
Refresh rate is 75Hz, but what's the resolution?
1080p+, go 480. Below 1080p, the 470 sounds like the best choice.
>>55100913
Got an i5-6500, if all you want is light gaming and don't care about gfx quality the iGPU should be fine
But make sure you provision for a gfx card just in case I'm full of shit or something
>>55099059
You can't get it at all right now. Which is why the prices are fucked.
>>55100913
>>55100998
Skylake's iGPU can't do modern gaming at all
if you don't care about max settings the 470 will be fine, I'd make your next upgrade 1440p 144hz IPS when vega GPUs drop
>>55100913
You could also just wait for AM4/Bristol Ridge APUs, which will be fairly capable at 1080p with the upgrade to DDR4 from kaveri
>>55101142
This.
>DDR4 APU's
My dick can only get so hard AMD.
>>55100963
1080
>>55100998
I'd feel more comfortable with a discrete solution.
>>55101130
Since its an fps I'd like it to be at least getting good fps on high. If I ever do upgrade my monitor it would definitely be 1440p
>>55101142
This base build is happening in the next week. The gfx will be saved up for over my next few checks. My computer is beyond toaster. Its a Stonehenge 80 gb 1 ram walmart machine from a decade ago.
>>55101219
It's a million times better to buy everything at once
>>55101262
Well I thought I'd enjoy using an actually good computer for once in my life while I waited for the gfx card.
>>55095405
Do you mean 5.5GB and 7.5GB cards?
>>55101262
Why
>>55101350
Sales mostly
>>55101361
Give an example
>>55101387
There's usually sales for shit as time goes on and prices drop
I suppose everything but the GPU would be decent, although gaming on intel's iGPU just won't really work, waiting for AM4 is probably the better option if he's poor
>>55101288
>getting owned by 5.5gb and 7.5gb cards
That really talks numbers about how shitty AMD truly is.
>>55095118
AMD drivers for Linux are terrible.
Avoid like the plague
>>55101460
The nvidia cards are 200-300% more expensive? Why wouldn't they be faster?
>>55101470
AMD just did a thing for open sourcing their drivers for linux so people can fix them
also who gives a shit about linux gaming, do a GPU passthrough
These low cost GPUs exist because of competition. AMD may be doing well in the GPU market, but all they've had in the CPU market is that trash Piledriver. Which by the way is coming up on 4 years old, and it was a questionable buy when it was new. I bought one, and it's a workhorse for encoding video but it's not so good at everything else. It's an inferno that heats up my entire room and its single core performance sucks.
Fast forward to 2016, and AMD has desperately been trying to get the hype train going on Zen. All enthusiasts need to hope that Zen delivers, or we're just going to continue getting fucked by Intel. The current i7 line should be at $250. But people can't even fathom that scenario because Intel has been fucking us for so long.
wanted to get a 1080 or 1070 but they're all sold out online. all that is left are scalpers reselling their pre-orders. fuck that. i have no idea when are they going to restock and i probably pick up 480 if that happens before then
>>55101477
>AMD just did a thing for open sourcing their drivers for linux so people can fix them
No, they dropped support entirely for fglrx and forced people to switch to the open source drivers which were even worse.
>>55101477
>do a GPU passthrough
Come on bro, people can barely be fucked to install Mint, which is even easier to set up than Windows these days. GPU passthrough is tough even for someone who's comfortable using Linux. Even people who know what they're doing need to cross their fingers and sacrifice their firstborn to the altar of Stallman for even a chance for it to work.
It would be nice if someone came up with a wizard so that all the tedious bullshit that's involved could be automated and be made simple for the enduser.
>>55101483
They exist because superior die area scaling, and Samsung's 14nm FinFET process actually seeing a reduction in cost per transistor from 28nm planar. Getting better control over growing fins and simplifying their production reduced a couple mask layers and made the whole process a bit cheaper. It isn't much, but its a huge improvement vs 20nm planar which saw a marked increase in cost from 28nm.
Samsung's 14nm process is mature, its electrostatic characteristics are favorable to dense logic with moderate clocks, and above all its economical.
Thats why AMD can afford to sell a GPU like the RX 480 for $200. Global Foundries has been a burden on them, even before it was spun off their fab was second rate, but they finally caught a break in adopting a process designed by a 3rd party.
>>55097349
>music gear
Fucking kek
>>55101535
OpenCL is built to do GPU virtualization, it's just that no one has done it yet I guess, you need it built into the VM software I'd think
how shit is the 9800gt? found one for 20 bucks and figured I could use it til the rx 480 releases. currently using integrated graphics of i5 6600k.
>>55102544
It's actually decently solid for DX9 stuff anyways
>>55102544
Worse
>What really
Yes it's worse.
how much of a performance gain is there from a 280x to a rx 480?
>>55102611
We don't know. Use the 970 as a baseline and look how well it performs in comparison.
>>55102682
The rx470 is 5% slower than 970 (official amd test). The 480 will be up there with the 980.
>>55096879
Didn't they sued AMD for the exact nimber of cores?
>>55102707
We have to wait and see. Every single chart out there means shit to me until the card is officially released. We can speculate with the amount of cores, the AotS benchmarks, and AMD's claims; but it's all noise to me until it actually hits out. I'd love for it to have 980 performance, it would be incredible. If so, I would have put that shit on Computex instead of another AotS benchmark.
>>55102727
Some scam artist, an actual shitposter from /g/ as a matter of fact, tried to sue AMD stating they lied about their arch. His basis for the claim was that he bought TWO FX 9590 just last year, and they didn't offer the performance he expected.
His complaint was filled with a lot of nonsense and images pulled straight out of anandtech articles.
The case was dismissed immediately.
For a while the guy was spamming threads about the suit here as anon, and he would autistically defend himself every time he was called out for not understanding what X86 was, or what a "core" was.
>>55102727
Yeah. I think it was because of the FP modules? Their integer modules are fine, but it's not a true 8 core like Intel's.
>>55102761
Ah, Tony Dickey. Thats his name.
Honestly I think hes the guy who spams the "AMD POORFAGGOTS" shit in every thread.
I bet he cried for weeks after he got stuck with the legal fees. Tried to supplement his NEETbucks with a frivolous lawsuit, and it totally backfired on him.
Never ever.
AMD can't into single core performance and Intel can't into reasonable pricing.
>>55095118
>AMD ARE THE GOOD GUYS THEY SET THE PRICES SO SO LOW
>Implying retailers won't jack the prices up because pajeets can't into supply so you end up paying $300 for a $200 card
Just you wait. It happened with the 290x and it'll happen again.
>>55102913
Tony please
>>55102913
>It happened with the 290x and it'll happen again.
>buttcoins will happen again
I wonder what the price difference between the 4GB and 8GB VRAM version will be.
>>55102932
>LOL YOU'RE AGAINST AMD YOU MUST BE AN NVIDIA SHILL
I buy and own AMD products, I'm just not delusional enough to think that retailers and board partners won't jack up the prices.
>>55102945
Well considering the pajeets are taking so long to produce the cards afte announcement, I'm going to assume that supply is going to be scarce.
>>55102946
Realistically probably around $50, give or take. I'm sure some vendors will put fancier LED fans on their 8GB models to justify a higher price. The pricing gamut for any GPU tends to have a fairly wide spread depending on the brand.
>>55102957
Of course they will, but those cards in theory should also clock higher.
>>55103047
>in theory
In theory Nvidia will cut prices by 50% and monopolize the market.
>>55103246
AMD would then have to really get their shit together for crossfire, and would probably release a dual 480 card
>>55103260
You mean just buy 3 it's like 1 card only triple the tdp, frametimes and you get the benefit of 1/3 the effective RAM.
>980 ti rumored to be cut in price
aww yiss. hopefully i can grab one for £400.
>>55103328
Nvidia aren't making any more Maxwells they're at this point just store inventory.
>>55100413
Yup, but that's a 2-core CPU you retard. It's half the price of i5-2500 when it was new.
>>55103379
yeah there's only 2 left in stock. i'll probably get this on at £399.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Zotac-GeForce-Graphics-Card-PCI-E/dp/B00Z9D1AIE/ref=sr_1_15?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1466059844&sr=1-15&keywords=gtx+980+ti
>>55095405
>5.5GB
fixed it for you
We're literally half way through the year and the only CPUs AMD has released are just meme APUs based off a 3 year old architecture.
Wasn't Zen supposed to come out in February?
>>55101142
>>55101413
When will this be releasing?
>>55103662
Carrizo/Bristol Ridge is using Excavator cores, and they're brand new.
Kaveri/Godavari is using Steamroller cores and they're sort of new.
Summit Ridge was never, ever supposed to launch at the beginning of 2016. It was always slated for a release at the end of the year. Back in May of 2015 AMD stated explicitly that 2017 would be the first full fiscal year for Zen based parts, and later detailed how Summit Ridge and enterprise parts would start sampling in late 2016.
>>55103734
Bristol Ridge mobile SKUs is already in the hands of OEMs, but its looking like it may not come to desktop. And FYI the memory controller is the exact same one featured in Kaveri. It cannot use high speed memory, it tops out at 2400mhz. You can't use anything higher frequency without increase bclk, and doing so breaks everything on the APU. About 2600mhz~ is the highest mem OC possible on Kaveri, and even at that point system stability is super sketchy.
Its a cheap and sloppy 3rd party memory controller chosen to get a design out the door as fast as possible.
No one should be waiting on Bristol Ridge unless you want a budget laptop.
AMD should just use the same numbers as NVIDIA, they make a gtx1080, AMD make an RX1080 or whatever, shits too confusing as it is for average consumer and having a lower number just makes it seem shittier
>>55104897
>having a lower number just makes it seem shittier
Introducing the RX400000000000000080
>>55095405
Nvidia is charging 2.8x per fps what AMD is.
Why do AMD cards have so much worse fps/watt?
>>55096985
Where is the 380 4GB op that image? I'm assuming it scored higher than a GTX 750 and the 2GB version is also there.
>>55096985
Where is the 380 4GB on that image? The 2GB version is there so...
>>55098192
20% faster after FIVE YEARS of development is fucking nothing. They might as well be the same speed.
Back in the 90s and early 00s you had performance doubling every 12-18 months.
>>55095118
Anyone have that comic of the girl explaining how AMD makes gpus to match the color of their customers food stamps?
>>55098284
You realize that's the Kepler Titan, right? A card from 2 whole generations ago?
>>55097339
Hnnnnnngggg
>>55096616
$333 for an i5 6600 in Aus
Hardware is bloody expensive down here. So jealous of the prices in the US.
>>55106219
Diminishing returns anon.
>>55095118
Can't we just make an AMD general - Broken promises and dreams edition as a moving sticky so we don't have those shills shitposting 24/7 until their crap cards come out and turn out to be worse than 3 years old Nvidia GPUs?
>>55106253
I never said anything about the Titan. Look at the 960's score, it's way down.
>>55096985
>mfw
>mfw i realise it's the 470 and not the 480
greenie-weenies btfo
>>55095118
Oh you mean the new card that according to their own bench is slightly weaker than a GTX 970?
