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will apple ever give a shit about the professional market again or do we just get facebook machines from here on out? Jobs used to fight hard that macs were THE fastest computers on the market but now they just throw any old intel chip in an aluminum case and call it a day.
Depends on the kind of professional, they're still used a lot as work devices but not the same work as they became known for. For media work apple got BTFO years ago partly by not keeping their FCP game up and partly by Adobe getting their shit together
That cylindrical dual Xeon workstation they offer has balls, but for 1/4 the price I can build the same thing with better CPUs, more RAM and bigger drives, user-serviceable components and not have a shit Mac OS.
>>55092790
I'm talking more creative professional stuff. They definatley blew it with FCPX though. A lot of video editors, including me, switched to PC after that and I was a big FCP shill back in the day.
>>55092837
The Mac Pro 6,1 is single socket, which is gay, and no you cannot build a better thing for less without forgoing all of the things that make a workstation a workstation.
>>55092754
they expect development to happen on servers and not on internet-connected portable devices
>>55092843
What's wrong with FCPX?
>>55092858
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDmOHU6lmRw
you CAN build a better thing for less though. Maybe not when the Mac Pro was first released but that was years ago now.
>>55092843
I shoot stills a lot and never bothered with a macbook, partly because I worked in IT and lurked /g/ so knew they weren't essential.
Only media professionals I see still using macs are photographers and the odd low end videographer these days. I assisted for someone before who used to bring an imac on set with him for editing videos, I suppose they have better things to be worried about then the specs or potential of their editing benches
>>55092875
just became more like "iMovie Pro" when it first came out and abandoned a lot of the stuff I worked so hard to learn and master. Granted I will say now it's better and if you don't edit in FCP on a mac you're a fucking fool thanks to all the tight integration with the hardware and background rendering.
>>55092900
>gay men card
Already into the trash.
>>55092900
>muh overclocking
>muh video games
Fucking man children
>>55092935
Oh, I'm no expert and it seemed fairly feature rich so I didn't know what I was missing. I can't believe how fast it is, though.
>>55092900
Like I said, the thing you build for less is not a workstation. It doesn't have a Xeon, doesn't have workstation graphics, doesn't have ECC, etc.
The Mac Pro is dated as a workstation, but you aren't building better out of consumer parts.
I use my macbook pro as a $3,000 web site browser machine.
>>55093796
my man
>>55092861
Apple quit producing servers.
Now is prime time for them to up their game with so many people pissed at windows 10.
>>55093958
They expect you to use the Mac Pro as a server.
>>55093881
Indeed brother.
>>55092900
>consumer parts
>for a workstation
Why isn't coincidence that almost all the niggers who say macs sucks as computers are the muh gaymen type?
Anyway, the new mac pro is shit as workstation. I'm sticking with my old good 4.1
>>55093958
Apple always sucked at selling servers, despiste offering a relatively more stable and friendly environment than linux in some ways.
>>55094318
>mactoddler thinks macshit uses anything besides consumer parts
ayylmao
>>55094462
>being so assblasted on the suggestion that Apple makes workstations
:^)
>>55092754
Is that a solar roadway?
>>55092754
Apple has been going downhill ever since they switched to chinktel.
Coincidentally it was around this time that Jobs started to exhibit symptoms from the cancer that would eventually kill him.
>>55094579
>>being so assblasted on the fact that applel uses non-ecc memory and other consumer tier shit in their """""""""""""""""""""workstations""""""""""""""""""
>:^)
>>55094619
And also the time they introduced the iPhone and the related iOS shit.
It's the trend: Mobile shit is killing the desktop and Apple is the most clear example.
>>55094628
But thats wrong
>>55094628
:^)
>>55094658
>feeding a troll
>>55094669
>>55094658
>GDDR5
>>55094742
>GDDR5
What's wrong with that?
>>55092900
>you CAN build a better thing for less though. Maybe not when the Mac Pro was first released but that was years ago now.
No, you simply cannot. Not today, not when it was introduced. Apple gets bulk discounts for the RAM, CPU, GPUs, case and everything.
If they didn't have that, they couldn't sell it and make a profit.
>>55094781
2 rupees have been deposited in your loo Pajeet.
>>55094799
>I have no rebuttal so I resort to "le dank meymeyz"
>>55094822
>>I have no rebuttal so I resort to "le appel sez so it mus b tru"
>>55094751
>no X for ultra fast gaymen performance
>>55094822
CURRY UP NOW PAJEET
>>55094318
Just bought a 2012 5,1. Shit is nice. Definitely a collector piece when I'm done with it.
>>55094852
>I unironically play vidya gaymes
If you're over 25 you need to seriously reevaluate your life, son.
>>55094865
>toddler toy
>collector piece
>>55094865
That machine will last another 5 years at least.
Take good care of yours :>
>>55094781
>you simply cannot
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/pYvcf8
>>55092900
that gaymen pc doesnt compare to the mac pro at all
0/10
>>55095170
>that gaymen pc doesnt compare to the mac pro at all
This.
No one makes machines as underpowered and crippled like applel does. You would literally need to buy 5000 poptarts with the PC to match the mac pleb in price, and then cram all the poptarts into the case with a singulatiry to make it throttle and overheat like the mac pleb.
>>55095133
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/173695-apples-new-overpriced-10000-mac-pro-is-2000-cheaper-than-the-equivalent-windows-pc
>>55095266
>comparing FirePro W9000s to the literal antique trash applel tossed into the mac """""""""""""""""pro""""""""""""""""
>>55094935
Thanks, I know it will!
>>55095266
>December 30, 2013
What if Apple decided to offer Mac Pro SE with standard E-ATX motherboard and chassis?
What if it was as user-upgradable as old Mac Pros?
What if you could mount your own ATX motherboard in it after it becomes obsolete after years of service?
What if you could get $800 just by selling the case because of the casefags wanting dat Apple metal look?
What if?
>>55095463
>what if applel decided not to rip off their retarded customer base?
Not happening.
>>55095495
It'd still have $500 Apple tax on top of what similar offerings from HP or Dell would cost.
>>55095313
>so desesperate to discredit apple
Average Chinkpad owner
>>55095463
I don't want standard E-ATX. I want the CPU tray and backplane logic board back. And I wouldn't put consumer bullshit in it, either.
>>55095313
Implying you'd ever be able to afford a W9000...
>>55095523
So, you want the G5 although how QPI has to be wired on new Xeons means ridiculous amount of engineering effort and expensive custom chips will be required to pull CPUs off of the main board and onto mezzanine boards?
>>55095514
>so desperate to defend applel
Average mactard
Can't fucking wait for summer to end.
>>55095556
>that fucktard logic
We don't want G5 again, we want the old Mac Pro form factor back.
>>55095567
>implying someone is defending apple
>le summer meme
>>55095556
>So, you want the G5
No? What are you talking about? 4,1 and 5,1 Mac Pros had a mezzanine for the CPUs.
>how QPI has to be wired on new Xeons means ridiculous amount of engineering effort and expensive custom chips will be required to pull CPUs off of the main board and onto mezzanine boards?
No, it doesn't.
>>55094852
>gaming on a PC
I literally came here to laugh at you
>>55095266
or $400 more
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/kMJZLD
$9276.87
http://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/mac-pro?product=MD878LL/A&step=config#
$9,599.00
>>55095756
Now make it at least Mini-ITX.
>>55095787
>muh formfactor
>>55095860
Do it or your comparison is meaningless.
> fcp
> professional
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahHhhahahHbHahahahahHbHbHb
>>55095952
What's missing?
>>55092754
>Jobs used to fight hard that macs were THE fastest computers on the market
lolno, when was that supposed to be?
>>55096830
G5 years.
WTF is that a laserdisc*
>>55095965
after like 5 years of constant updates its allmost back to fcp 7 standards
all it needs now is propper workflow support with what people actualy use
that and maybe a decent color grading interface
>>55096892
y dey do dis tho?
alienate all existing users, then take 5 years to build it back up to where it was all while competitors are moving ahead with newer and better features
>inb4 fcp7's internals were nightmare -- i know, but that really doesn't matter that much from user stand-point; fcp was a money-making product with huge user draw to high-end macs, apple should have hired more developers to maintain fcp 7 line while developing fcp x in parallel
>>55096838
during the early 2000s this wasn't an entirely unreasonable claim.
>>55096830
Mid 90's to mid 2000's
>>55096892
Oh I guess that's why I don't notice anything missing. I just downloaded it a few days ago and it seems fine.
>>55092754
The next macbook pro will be fast as hell. Google Nvidia Omnitech gpus.
Software dev here.
The thing that recently appears to be radiating from our Apple corner (besides the Apple logo on the back of their machines) appears to be regret.
The Apple corner being that one dude who hasn't yet switched to the company's ubongo install.
Apple is now victim of his own reality distortion field.
At least Jobs was capable of break it internally.
How he would reacted to the Trashcan mac pro?
>>55097378
Cool story.
>>55097433
He always had a hard-on for trash cans.
The only person who actually wanted this thing was Steve Jobs.
>>55097571
this
Hell, this fucking thing looks A E S T H E T H I C C af now but back in the day it was stupid and useless
![maxresdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vHMRmny.jpg "maxresdefault[1].jpg")
>>55097571
Jobs had a hardon for cubes in general.
>>55097683
Being fair with Jobs: The TAM was made when he was outside from Apple.
>>55097683
Am I remembering wrong or did Jerry Seinfeld have one of these at some point?
>>55097777
i know, even without him they made some disgusting computers.
but more importantly DEM QUADS YO!
>>55092837
And it will be ugly.
Apple has began to follow the same fool errands that they did after Jobs left in the 80's.
Apple WAS Jobs.
>>55097720
Those NeXT cubes are sweet. A truly 90's OS in the 80's
>>55097571
desu i thought that was pretty cool.
>>55092754
>macs were THE fastest computers on the market
This was literally never true
>>55097830
>Apple has began to follow the same fool errands that they did after Jobs left in the 80's.
You mean designing good computers and the company's most successful years and largest market share? MacWorld magazine was like an inch thick in the early '90s.
>>55097720
Those weren't the only cube workstations, though. Cube shaped workstations were a 90s thing.
>>55097849
>it makes me mad, it can't be true
Sorry, but there was a period where PowerPC processors were more faster than Intel ones.
Then Intel developed Netburst and the story is know by any one by in this board.
>>55094388
>despiste offering a relatively more stable and friendly environment than linux
>Linux is one thing just like apple
No, leave.
>>55097875
The Octane came nine years after the Next Computer.
>>55097874
Hope you're right. But I don't want them to convert in a company of iDevices only.
>>55097905
>in some ways
Can you read?
No?
Then >>>/out/
>>55097905
OSX is a better desktop operating system than anything you can get with any linux distribution.
>>55097899
Learn to speak English Pajeet, Jesus fuck.
>>55097912
So?
>>55097932
>My opinions are facts
hue
>>55097939
Can you be gentle and tell me where are my errors, Mohandas?
>>55097957
But that's a fact.
>>55097960
Are you illiterate?
>>55097978
Yes, Rajeesh.
Are you too?
>>55098014
No. Not since siri just reads everything to me.
>>55092858
What arbitrary bullshit opinion decisions in your workstation builds could possibly not be gotten for cheaper, if not free?
>>55097846
It overheated like motherfucker, the fan ran at 100% non-stop, and the case cracked from the heat and/or the board died within six months.
>>55098144
Jobs' designs tend to do that. The early Macs were prone to heat failure and so were the early iMacs.
When Jobs left the company in the '80s the first they did was put a fan into the classic Mac chassis.
>>55098144
i know, i'm just saying i thought the design was pretty cool at the time.
>>55097822
Wrong
>>55097849
Holy shit how accurate is this chart tho
>apple shitting the bed worse than they did in the 90s
>hopefully bankrupt by 2018
>renaissance begins 2019
the only good thing about the new mac pros is that it has a smart cooling design. but it's way too expensive... but i blame the workstation gpus for that. dual workstation gpus will drive a lot of computer prices up.
>>55092754
>THE fastest computers on the market
Working overtime tonight Rajeesh?
>>55092754
>hurr you dont NEEEaaeEEED more than 1.4 ghz
>>55092754
what is that faggot rainbow disc he is holding?
>>55101424
WMDs.
>>55092900
>video title: "another fagot youtuber talks about stupid shit for 40 minutes before showing what the title of his video was"
>>55101424
Silicon wafer with, I'm guessing, 970 dies on it.
>>55092754
they are killing their professional software lineup anyway
i miss aperture
>>55101532
>Silicon wafer with, I'm guessing, 970 dies on it.
Thanks.
Any idea why its round and has the edges of some of the chips cut off?
>>55101551
It's round because that's how they come. As for the other question, I hope someone can answer. I usually see them without the cut off ones etched. I'm going to guess it simply works to fit the maximum usable number of dies as well as simplify production.
>>55094619
You're a fucking moron.
Their switch to Intel was a huge contributing factor to their desktop and laptop line finally becoming profitable and actually popular/usable. They literally went 20 years of non-profitability. It's one of the great achievements in scamming; managing to be in the red for so fucking long without completely tanking.
>>55095884
>let's move the goalposts
Next you'll be complaining that it's not in a cylindrical chassis.
Protip: the few ITX LGA2011 mobos are all cheaper than $266 anyway, so the cost would actually go down.
>>55101551
>>55101791
It's how the silicon wafer is made.
They machine a giant fucking column of pure silicon with as few defects as possible then slice it. Kind of like salami/pepperoni.
It's a much cheaper manufacturing method than making a square column (try a square roll of cookie dough; really pointlessly difficult when you could just stamp out square cookies).
>>55092754
>Jobs used to fight hard that macs were THE fastest computers on the market
He fought hard for that perception. They were always class-A douchbag machines.
>>55101917
Right, but what's up with the cut off dies?
>>55092754
Do they still manufacture anything in the US, or does China still build all their stuff? China doesn't give out the good aluminum to stuff destined for the US. What does make a MAC a MAC anymore? FreeBSD OS, Intel CPU, Chinese aluminum. Whatever.
>>55101950
You don't know what you're talking about, but Mac Pros and custom configuration Macs are assembled in Texas.
>>55101964
From parts made in China.
>>55101928
>>55101917
I would be mad/10 if I bought some expensive as shit cpu only to have had them fuck up and put a cutoff die inside of it
>>55101972
You say that like it means anything at all.
>>55102013
It means that all of the parts are still made in China, so the location where they actually put together the grown-up legos doesn't mean anything at all.
>>55102025
What difference does it make?
>>55102053
It means, why don't you just buy a cheap PC and install FreeBSD on it? It is cheaper.
>>55102082
Are you retarded?
>>55092843
Macs are PC's faggot. You switched to Windows. Pc is personal computer.
Apple released 5k iMacs that were cheaper than every 4k standalone monitors at the time.
>>55102104
Apple would disagree with you.
>it's another le steve is a hero thread
>>55096967
the one thing is FCP 7 was based in Carbon and Carbon could only do so much, i mean hell Final Cut Studio 3 could only be a 32bit application because of the limitations of the Carbon Framework.
They wrote FCP X from scratch using the basis of the iMovie remake as the base for it's building up. Which is why it didn't have any support for EDL and OMF at release.
I switched to Adobe Premiere myself as well when FCPX came out it was just not good and was a from group up rewrite and CS 6 Premiere had amazing support with After Effects and Motion graphics support and integration for assets generation in illustrator and photoshop.
But 5 years now into it FCP X finally added things EDL and OMF support as well as importing old FCP files in with third party XML readers. The real time rendering and made deals to get better support with things like color grading with third party applications.
But basically Apple had to white slate the entire thing and start from scratch which from the fact they were the biz to be for video was pretty fucking brave
>>55102146
Apple's marketing department disagrees, but only because they don't want to have their ass sued five ways from Sunday by Microsoft for spreading bullshit about Windows by name.
>>55102163
Steve Jobs was a right mighty wanker cunt and we all know that. The only thing he did well was force people to go from concept and match it on output usually. But the cunt was still a might alrighty prat.
>all theae fags who can't into researching their own hardware and would rather spend hundreds more for
>muh mac looks!!
>>55095567
that sad sad look in their eyes
>>55092754
>He thinks the Mac Pro is a good workstation.
https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/g/thread/S48233973#p48234172
