http://wccftech.com/radeon-rx-480-3d-mark-benchmarks/
>>54998273
is the 390 overclocked though?
>>54998273
It was always poised to be slower than the 390.
I have no idea why some people said it would be between 390 and 390x.
>>54998273
amd=isis
>>54973996
>>54998273
>rx480 to be minimum vr spec capable
>HORRY SHIT WHY ISN'T IT FASTER THAN COMPARABLE MINIMUM VR SPEC CARDS
>wccftech
But what will the Pajeets shitpost about now?
>>54998273
On early beta or even alpha drivers... in a few months it might creep ahead of the 390
>>54998273
Samsung can't really 14nm, not a big surprise
>wccftech
GOES
>>54998273
>wccftech
Nice reliable source fucking nvidia shill
>>54998273
DELETE THIS
It's a 4GB mid range card, who care...
poo
>>54998273
>they are literally selling the 290x again
>amdrones are going apeshit for it
this is embarrassing
>1266 Mhz
So either this is an overclocked RX 480 or not an RX 480.
>>54998393
You didn't even look at it you meme spouting fuck, the card in question is 8GB.
>>54998299
If it isn't faster than a 390, is it just another re branded 280? Why not just drop the price of the 380? Fuck amd is run by retards.
>>54998353
>samsung delivering best in class SoC's and Memory modules for large mainstream segments
>look guys, they can't compete
>>54998427
>Why not just drop the price of the 380? Fuck amd is run by retards.
they are hopping some retards will sell the 380 and buy the 480.
>>54998421
>>54998427
your knowledge is embarassing
i'll get 2 though for epic crossfire at under 300 watts
>>54998424
>4/8 GDDR5
Looks like that's the 470. Groovy.
>>54998470
Not saying the 4/8 has anything to do with it not being the RX 480, just calling out the shill who was too lazy to even click the link.
>>54998439
My point is TSMC are better.
>>54998495
ok, and what's your argument?
I should just leave /g/ until actual benches show up. These last several weeks have been worse than usual.
>>54998495
Because Nvidia uses it right?
>>54998458
>going multi GPU ever
Dumb lmao poster.
>>54998540
Samsung 14nm is hotter and not better than 16nm TSMC.
>>54998623
proof?
Wait, there isn't any.
>>54998623
DELETE THIS
>>54998565
i agree to that.
40 gpu threads a day without actual discussions, not to mention constructiveness and conclusions
>>54998592
dx12 and liquid vr will change the crossfire landscape once and for ever
>>54998623
okay, do you have insight knowledge about how smartphone archs compare to gpu archs or why do you think this?
>>54998273
>graphics score 18060
literally confirms this benchmark >>54998471
Nvidiots on suicide watch.
IT'S OVER, AYYMD IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/05/27/from_ati_to_amd_back_journey_in_futility/
>In the simplest terms AMD has created a product that runs hotter and slower than its competition's new architecture by a potentially significant margin.
>THEY FELL FOR THE POOLARIS PAJEET MEME
Why nvidia going on damage control mode?
The rx 480 is meant to compete with the 1060 not the 1070.
Also they are contradicting themselves.
Back when the Titan Z released nvidiots were having a fucking hard-on for multi gpu stuff until they realized how horribly bad nvidia's gpu's scale in SLI, even today, with a double SLI bridge.
Also stop with the misinformation about everything, samsung's LPE is shit compared to TSMC's 16nm-whatever but samsungs LPP process is way better than TSMC's shit.
Why are nvidiots arguing about perf. per dollar when they never had any nvida product that was good at that, they always came with a catch like 3.5 or a 128 bus width.
Misinformation is the worst kind of arguments you can use, only Israel uses it.
Into the loo it goes
>>54998660
>two RX380 with 50% of utilisation TDP: ~300w
>one GTX 1080 TDP: 180w
>>54998471
LAWL wccftech are fucking morons.
>>54998744
forgot pic, the RX380 is hotter and draw more power...
>>54998744
TDP: """"""180w"""""" with """"""premium"""""" components.
also
>Double Jew Sissy HEF Tech
>AMD thread
Did someone post an Ashes of Singularity benchmark yet or am I too late?
>>54998675
>>54998775
>470
>8GB of vram
>>54998273
You guys recognized that they wrote about the 67DF:C7 and that the rx480 is the 67DF:C7 CF?
>>54998775
Max TDP does not equal its actual power draw. The fact that AMD says 2 480s in mGPU are "more efficient" than the 1080 could mean that in total both cards are actually drawing under 180W on load.
But you're probably too stupid to understand any of this and you'll just respond with memes.
I don't get the point of this card
Is it just for VR purposes cheaply, somehow improving VR performance from AMD?
'Cuz for me, You can get a gpu that's around the presumed cost of a 480 that will perform just as good for most mid level gaming anyway, even then most of the low end gpus are spent playing CPU heavy games like LoL and CSGO etc.
So what's the point? VR? Getting 5-10 fps over a 970?
>>54998802
>Graphics Score 18060
>Graphics Score 18060
>Graphics Score 18060
>Graphics Score 18060
The 3dmark score is lower because i7-4770 sucks at the physics benchmark which is dragging down the overall score. It has nothing to do with the GPU.
OP is a cock munching tech illiterate faggot pooinloo shill
>>54998857
>Max TDP does not equal its actual power draw
Mostly
>>54998811
are you actually this stupid or just pretending?
>>54998886
>So what's the point? VR? Getting 5-10 fps over a 970?
Uh, yeah? All of this? What the fuck do you think? It's like having the power of an OC 970 for about $100 less than what that card is offered at while being more power efficient. What's not to like?
>>54998888
>don't anwsers
Why 8GB if thats not the 480?
>>54998958
It is the 480 you dumbfuck.
67DF:C7. Faster than 390x, Faster than 980, Almost as fast as Fury for $229
>>54998989
>Faster than 980, Almost as fast as Fury
pls
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/11263084
>>54998273
>le vr card
AMD is once again the ultimate choice for the poorfag cuck
>poolaris
>>54998928
Not really, the prices for me will be £200-230, and a 970 is £230-250
Implying that they sell at what they say they will sell at,which is never the fucking case anyway..
Outside of VR it seems like a pointless purchase compared to a 970...Maybe in USA only it will stick to the price they intend it to be
>$199
oh boy, muh coins
>>54999067
>R-real gaymers only play PC games on $800 graphics cards
Nope.
Nvidia is becoming the brand for trendwhore homosexuals, like the GPU equivalent of a designer fashion label. They've cultivated TWIMTBP culture.
>Be reasonable consumer
>See Kadouri present Polaris
>"This might be an interesting product at this price range, offering 390-level performance"
>Be buttmad AMD shill
>NVIDIA ON SUICIDE WATCH, 480 BEATS 980 IN ASHES OF SHILARITY, ALMOST CATCHES UP TO TITAN, NVIDIA DEAD AND BANKRUPT
>>54999094
>the prices for me will be £200-230
>europoors btfo
You guys just get shit pricing on AMD products. It's no wonder you guys are always sticking up for Nvidia.
Literally nowhere on that bench page does it actually state that the GPU is the 67DF:C7.
I mean, it must be a Polaris card, but it could be any card with 8 GB VRAM.
>>54999045
>Graphics Score 18 060
>Graphics Score 18 060
>Graphics Score 18 060
>Graphics Score 18 060
>Graphics Score 18 060
>>54998273
>FALLING FOR AMD'S SHADY MARKETING
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04ITA1_XoqM
>>54999118
>Be reasonable consumer
>Buy reasonably priced AMD graphics card
Disregarded whatever else you wrote.
>>54999087
That's the Zen logo you daft cunt.
>>54998273
>wccftech
>payed nvidia shills
yeah ok bruh
>>54999151
The fact that you fucking currynigger shills trying to tell people 480 will be better than 980ti?
It won't be, deal with it. It's another rehashed 290, just more power efficient and with a few gimmicks.
>moronic NoVideo shill accidentally confirms 480 outperforming 980
This thread is fucking golden.
>>54999149
rofl is this that same guy that does the Nvidia vs AMD comparison with like a 770 and some old-ass AMD card. Fucking hilarious.
So why does it have the exactly same graphics score as the 470 if it's a 480? This shit doesn't make sense at all.
>>54999184
Elaborate
>>54998471
its the exact same score they used there. Wccftech is just slow as shit.
btw its takes 2 seconds to see its higher than a 390 3dm11 score, your bait thread is pointless.
>>54999149
AMD is shapeshifting into jews.
Now both dominant GPU companies will be money-grubbing kikes, shilling us from all sides.
>>54999171
>you fucking currynigger shills trying to tell people 480 will be better than 980ti
Literally nobody is saying this. Cool exaggerations, bro.
>>54998427
>is it just another re branded 280?
You have to be retarded to think this, not even the same lithography
>>54998660
Apple's A9 chip or whatever it was.
I don't know if the people in this thread are brain damaged or it's just THIS summer already.
Why do people that know nothing about graphics cards feel the need to weigh in with the stupidest comments?
Like these two morons. >>54998427
>>54998456
>>54998740
>Why nvidia going on damage control mode?
The RX480 is poised to take all of the market, only the most hardcore fanboys will buy the 1080/1070, most people will get the RX480 as a placeholder until the 1080Ti and Vega land
>>54999257
>taking shills seriously
>calling anyone else summer
>Polaris VR experience
>20fps
>the human eye can't...
>>54998273
>in the top 10% of results for $199-$229
>"AyyMD btfo... R-right guys?"
>>54999195
>Elaborate
See
>>54998471
It's just old news that some poor shill thought he would be able to rehash into muh Nvidia
straight from videocardz
>>54999135
This is literally how it works anywhere outside of America..
Original price + VAT + Bullshit "import tax" and that's the end result. Not even mentioning times when they consider $1 to be £1 or when they uses excuses like "Lol ur country is richer on average therefore u can afford to pay more xD"
1080 is supposed to be $600, which means £414, but the end result in stores is £620.
Even if you add on the 20% tax to $600 it comes to £500, not £620. Sure they will maybe lower the price in future but that's what it is for now.
So when 480 comes out if it follows the same typical trend of dumb pricing, I just don't see why it should exist, however if it somehow has no import taxed bullshit prices it might work out and be better than a 970 realistically. The gap between the 970 and 980 is huge but the performance is like 5fps
I guess it could take the place of a 970 or be better for VR, but if you're spending $600+ on a VR kit you might wanna reconsider why the fuck your VR headset costs as much as the majority of your pc, rather than just spending a bit more and getting 2x the performance by buying a 1070
>All this AMD butt mad and damage control
>>54998357
>wccftech
IN
>>54998673
dual-gpu setups will forever remain a niche at best with game bugs and driver incompatibility.
>>54998350
Only if AMD gimps the 390. Isn't that what AMDrones constantly accuse Nvidia of doing?
What exactly is a "Premium DirectX12 Experience" /g/?
The 199$ is pure bullshit because who will buy the 4GB version...
>>54999461
The Premium you pay for your Nvidiot card
>>54999468
People with a 1080p screen, so about 80% of the gamers.
>>54998421
>nvidia selling overclocked 980ti
>call it a 1080 and charge more for it
>nvidiacucks going apeshit for it
this is embarrassing
>>54999566
>>54999171
Nice strawman opening there.
The real Irony is Nvidya came out with the rehashed Maxwell, shrunk the node, and added a few software features this time around.
AMD actually came up with a whole new design.
>>54999579
>>54999171
480 isn't supposed to be a direct competition to the 1080.
It's supposed to take the market of "people who want to game but don't want to spend $600 on a gpu"
Basically, the market that plays csgo, dota2, league and other shit.
Nvidia is trying to grab the enthusiast market with the 1080 and 1070 while amd wants to grab the general market.
I personally like Nvidia because I want all power i can get, but most people just want a cheep card that can run shit.
Yeah, the 1080 is faster, but it's $600, while the 480 is slower, but still high end (comparatively) at a much lower price.
Nvidia: higher power, higher cost
Amd: good power, consumer grade cost
>>54999118
Who is saying that Nvidia is on suicide watch, aside from shitposters who want (you's)
>AMD, 150W, Performance from 3 years ago that everyone already had
>Nvidia, 150W, Enthusiast level performance for everyone
AYYMDPOORFAGS KEKED ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>54999722
You just described literally everything a 970 already does
>>54999787
>$300-350
>3.5gb
>480
>$200
>4gb-8gb memory
This is coming from someone who uses a 970
>>54999722
>I personally like Nvidia because I want all power i can get, but most people just want a cheep card that can run shit.
Was the 970 the best selling card of the last generation? We shouldn't expect the 1070 to be the same this generation?
The 980 owner asspain is real
So?
It's about like the 390 for $100 less, it's going to be the absolute best choice for 99% of builders when it hits unless nvidia comes out with something out of nowhere.
>>54998273
>wccftech
>>54998740
>Titan Z
you could buy TWO-2-(MORE THAN 1 LESS THAN 3) 295X2 for the price of a SINGLE(1) titan Z
>>54999905
1070 will he really popular, no doubt, I plan on getting it for my next build, but having the 480 priced at $199 is really competitive and it really shows the market amd wants to get into, the general console/csgo shitter.
We're all have to see the actual performance of the 480 first to really tell whether or not it will be successful, otherwise, all the shilling is based on speculation.
If amd can snatch up the general consumer market with a cheep, "vr ready" (we will see) gpu, your average Joe is going to eat that shit up, but to a guy who had a 980ti or a titan, and they are moving up to the new 1080/1070, they aren't going to really care, mainly because it's not really marketed towards them, judging by the price.
>>54999877
$200 will be the cheap card, and the $250 (8gb version) +tax will be around $300.
The same price as a 970.
Sure it might be better for vr and give a small fps boost but if your vr headset is $600 and your gpu is $200 you've made a huge mistake.
Could fit nicely between 970 and 980 though, I guess..
>>54999905
It's $400.
480 is $200 and yet 80% as fast
>>55000008
On mobile, so a bunch of shit is mispelled.
>>55000008
>If amd can snatch up the general consumer market with a cheep
Wouldn't this require outselling the 1070? Don't all current indicators point to this not happening?
Why do you continue to argue this if the previous two questions are accurate unless you are an AMDrone?
>>54999468
>199$ is pure bullshit because who will buy the 4GB version
I'd consider it as a cheaper stopgap if I had more confidence in Vega/GP102 coming out sooner rather than later.
>>55000025
Isn't the 380 about 80% of the power of the GTX 970 for less $200? Did the 970 outsell that as well?
>>55000056
>AMDdrone
Coming from someone who's liteeally only used nvida
Went from 660ti, to a 750ti, to a 970
>all indicators point to this not happening
First off, we still have to see real world benchmarks.
Nvidia decided to go "oh look, 1080 is running at like, 50°c" when in rality it actually has some thermal throttling issues.
Secondly, I'm talking about its pricing compared to the 1080-1070
It does look like the 1070 will sell well (I plan on buying it), but that's mainly coming from people who currently own a 970, all the way up to a titan
Your average consumer isn't going to want to but a $400-$500 gpu
The 1070 may outsell the 480 in the enthusiast grade market, but consumer wise, the might be able to pull in your average console gamer who wants to get into pc gaming or your general csgo/league player who wants to upgrade without breaking the bank.
>>55000171
Reality*
Literally*
I hate mobile sometimes.
>>55000163
380 was 65% of the performance for 60% of the price.
480 is 75-80% of the performance for 55% of the price
>>54999366
THE
>>55000171
1080 has no thermal throttling issues m8, it's a software thing and people have stupid fan curves.
If you set a normal fan curve, you'll not go past 75c at 100% fans, which will be enough to keep the boost clock maxed out even on reference cards.
>>54999045
Not him but
>>55000232
>1080 has no thermal throttling issues m8
with the stock cooler it has overheating issues, actually.
>>55000171
>Coming from someone who's liteeally only used nvida
You have no idea what you are talking about so I'd suggest you stop there.
>First off, we still have to see real world benchmarks.
You want to disregard inconvenient indicators? Or go off into speculationland in drawing up a conclusion?
>Secondly, I'm talking about its pricing compared to the 1080-1070
Bullshit. You raised a point about:
>snatch up the general consumer market
One part of that involves the pricing compared to the 1080-1070 but it is not limited merely to pricing unless you want to ignore, or cherry-pick around, historic data.
>Your average consumer isn't going to want to but a $400-$500 gpu
It seems you are determined to ignore historic data which is why I brought up the previous point about the 970 being the best seller last generation. It is clear based upon the 970 being the best seller that the average consumer _is_ going to want a $400 gpu.
>>55000023
>$200 will be the cheap card, and the $250 (8gb version) +tax will be around $300.
>The same price as a 970.
Is this trolling, or the true financial prowess of an average nvidiot?
Even the People's Republics of NYC and Chicago don't have 20% sales taxes, nor will the 8GB versions even be $250 to begin with.
>>55000056
>Wouldn't this require outselling the 1070? Don't all current indicators point to this not happening?
The research shows the biggest chunk of people don't want to spend more than $300 on a graphics card. Nvidia knows the 1070 is pushing the upper limits of what the average chad is going to spend on a graphics card with the 1070 but the card is good enough to attract budget conscious enthusiasts that might be on aging platforms like old Titans, 7970s, 780 ti's etc while also being a significant upgrade. Plus they're offloading defective 1080s so it's all gravy. The 1070 is going to be a successful card, no doubt.
The 970 was a very popular card at $330 but there's an entire chunk of people using aging midrange and budget GPUs that can and will pony up $200 for a clear upgrade. That's where the 480 comes in. A card for the masses that will bring ultra settings and high refresh rates at 1080p under $200.
Honestly the 1070 and the 480 both seem like awesome cards depending on the individual budget and display. This is a good time to need a GPU.
>>55000023
That's retail price retard
>>55000284
>Titan
>780Ti
>aging
This is the future nvidiots chose
>>55000262
It doesn't, if you're referring to that jayztwocents video, go watch it back and look at his fans speeds. Low fan speeds and high temp = stupid.
If you watch a video from someone who isn't using retarded settings you'll see the GPU can run at 100% usage at around 75c.
https://youtu.be/mrRhV6qfrr0?t=238
100% gpu, 2kmhz, 74c.
>>55000284
>The research shows the biggest chunk of people don't want to spend more than $300 on a graphics card.
Source? I know I'm mainly going off of Steam's statistics that show the 970 as being the best selling of last generation but it does seem to be a rather damning bit of information if an accurate representation.
>there's an entire chunk of people using aging midrange and budget GPUs
Straw man? No claim was made that there are not a lot of people who are going not going to pay the difference and choose the cheaper card but the statement that is the current topic of discussion was:
>most people just want a cheep card that can run shit.
>most people
>>55000276
>It seems you are determined to ignore historic data which is why I brought up the previous point about the 970 being the best seller last generation. It is clear based upon the 970 being the best seller that the average consumer _is_ going to want a $400 gpu.
The 970's MSRP was $330, genius.
And it sold as well as it did due to the 980 selling for $550, the next cheaper card (960 at $200) being shit, and AMD doing mostly rebrands.
The $200-$300 market is a lot healthier than the $300-$400 one, so it's in the majority of consumers' interest that better competition exist in that segment.
>>55000401
>And it sold as well as it did due to the 980 selling for $550
>The $200-$300 market is a lot healthier than the $300-$400 one
Source?
As far as I can see, it is selling well because it hit the right price point for the market. I just don't see people who will spend $500 for a CPU, $150-200 for a MB, or $600-800 for a VR headset (that really strikes me as a retarded sales pitch) is going to hold back on spending $400 on a GPU.
>>55000276
I think a good reason that the 970 sold well was because there were almost no good cards in the $200 range.
Everything was $300 or so, unless you wanted to stick with a 750 ti (still a good card btw)
970 was the only decently priced card on the market at the time.
>>55000441
>implying people are only going to buy a gpu because of vr
I do think the while "vr ready" thing is kind of dumb, but it seems to be more of a marketing ploy to get normies interested.
>>55000441
> $500 cpu
Literally the only person who would buy a $500 cpu is already going to be buying a 1080
>>55000477
>I think a good reason that the 970 sold well was because there were almost no good cards in the $200 range.
I thought the 380 and 960 were good cards in the $200 range?
>>55000387
Are you statistically impaired?
iPhone is the best selling phone, but 80% of people don't buy iPhones.
>>55000336
For the enthusiast segment, the people that spend $500 on a brand new top tier GPU, those cards are pretty fucking old man. I was talking about the first Titan of course, which is now over 3 years old. Not that they are bad or anything, but in the eyes of people that spend big money on graphics cards they may be looking forward to the 1080 and 1070 (or Vega) as logical upgrades depending on how demanding they are as a consumer. I mean come on, the 780 ti has 3 GB of VRAM. That's less than my cheap ass 380 and certainly not enough juice for 4K/VR.
>>55000387
The 970 was the best selling card but it's still only like 5% of the entire user base. The vast majority of people that are actually playing games on their PC have a far worse GPU than the 970 and far, far worse GPU than the 1070. I'm not straw manning.
>most people just want a cheep card that can run shit
Yes, which is why the 480 should be very successful. When Nvidia gets around to releasing a 1060, it will also be successful.
>>55000524
>Are you statistically impaired?
I'm still waiting for a relevant statistic or as I asked earlier:
>Source?
>>55000538
>PC have a far worse GPU than the 970
Have you filtered out previous generation cards/onboard video and how do similar generation cards compare?
>>55000558
>Have you filtered out previous generation cards/onboard video and how do similar generation cards compare?
How is that at all relevant? I'm beginning to think you're just trolling at this point.
>>55000519
I would never buy a $500 GPU
I'm selling my 7950 on ebay for $80 to get the RX480
>>55000574
>How is that at all relevant?
Isn't the topic of this discussion comparing the 480 to the 1070 in regards to what "most people" will buy? Should we not project the coming trend based upon the past trend?
>>55000521
Judging by how little people use the 960, and how many people dislike it.
750ti is on the same level as the 960 in terms of use, there is a 2% increase in use of the 970.
The 960 was an okay card, but it was relitively crap and sacrificed a lot of features to get it down to the $200 range
>>55000588
Didn't most people buy the 970 because there were no other cards good enough for the price range?
960 had plenty of flaws and the amd cards were expensive.
The best bet was a 750ti or a 970.
Nvidia had no competition for the 970 and a lot of people bought the 970 because they didn't want to spend more than they had.
>>55000604
Well then let's try to distill the point a little more clearly. You are arguing that because there were not any good options people choose to pry almost twice the amount of money to buy the 970? This time because there is a better option than last time people will not still pry almost twice the amount (60% more) of money to buy the 1070?
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-Zen-Intel-KBL-Delay
Zen delayed 1 year.
Samshit 14nm process not going well.
>>55000646
Why would you pry twice the amount when there is an actual competing card?
Only reason I went for a 970 is because there was nothing else to get at a decent price.
Now that there is a cheer $200 card that (hopefully) isn't crap, don't you think that people might consider buying it?
The 390 (the only direct competition to the 970) costed almost $400, the same as a 970, but had less performance.
>>55000691
We're trying to discuss GPUs in this thread without someone trying to derail the discussion.
>>55000644
390 was faster for the same price.
970 only sold well because of very aggressive marketing. Even after the 3.5GB debacle they made sure most of the hardware press kept quiet about it and just paid enough poolinoos to spam "I don't need more than 3.5GB anyway" in all social media.
>>55000588
>Should we not project the coming trend based upon the past trend?
I think that's a simplistic approach. I don't think AMD had any direct answer to the 970 last generation. It delivered 290x like performance for way cheaper than AMD ever wanted to price Hawaii GPUs. The eventual 390 with its 8 GB came out way later and was just on par with it while still being less power efficient.
If you want to argue that the 1070 will sell more units than 480s based on its name alone and past market trends then you may end up being right since more people seem comfortable buying Nvidia than AMD, but that doesn't mean that AMD won't sell "enough" 480s to get them back in the game with mainstream users.
>>55000724
>derail
Samshit process is also used for Polaris which is why it is performing badly.
>>55000714
>Why would you pry twice the amount when there is an actual competing card?
What is your definition of "competing?" I hope it is not something that is analogous in price-performance to arguing that the 960 was "competing" with the 970.
>Only reason I went for a 970 is because there was nothing else to get at a decent price.
I'm sure there are some people who are like you would be happy to buy a mediocre cheap gpu. But does that extend to most people? I believe most people would get the best video card they can afford regardless of brand. Isn't that what is generally suggested on /g/?
>>55000745
>I think that's a simplistic approach.
Simplistic? Maybe. But the refutation presented was "relevant?"
>I don't think AMD had any direct answer to the 970 last generation.
What is the 390/x?
![1465494106090[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/syB0cgS.jpg "1465494106090[1].jpg")
I understand that OP is a stupid nvidia shill but still. Facepalm.
>>55000691
>Zen delayed 1 year.
It says it's delayed until early next year, that's way too different from 1 year
>Samshit 14nm process not going well.
Literally no source for that and Samshit/GloFo process has proven itself on mobile SoC's for a year now
Before people get b8
>The reason for the few month delay for both Zen and Kabylake is said to be due to supply chain issues and slow market demand. It's really sad to hear Zen being delayed while Kabylake is just Intel's successor to Skylake before Cannonlake and is less to get excited about, but now the Intel Linux developers will have a few extra months to ensure the Kabylake support is in good standing for launch, particularly on the graphics side.
So it's supply issues, thanks to the dying PC market, not because of Samsung/GloFo
Also
>According to reports, AMD's Zen processors have been delayed until the start of the next year and it's also affecting Intel's Kabylake launch.
Literally no source but the writer writing from his ass, this is wccf tier journalism, pretty bad for Phoronix desu senpai
>>55000746
And you have any source for that? Your link had nothing to do with Samsung, it didn't even had Samsung written at all
Are you just spreading FUD? Have you forgotten Samsung process has already been used for a year now?
>>55000787
>∆le Mobile soc
Low power, small size, low frequency, etc
>>55000812
Just like Polaris
>>54998744
>>54998775
>>54998857
>>54998889
reminder: 280, 280X, 290, and 290X all have the same TDP
>>55000803
Mobile soc do not compare to high performance CPU and GPU
>>55000754
To elaborate, the 480 should possibly be a $199 card that should fit snugly between the 970-980, making it appealing for consolefags and average Joe's, which in turn can pull them into buying the gpu.
Consolefags will fight over a fucking $50 price difference between the two consoles, you don't think they will buy a card that's $200 cheaper?
From what I see, amd is marketed towards your normal consumer, who tries to spend the least amount of money and get the most for it.
Your average Joe doesn't look at his bank account and go "hmm, what is the most expensive card I can buy"
>>55000770
>What is the 390/x?
Those came way too late and were just Hawaii rebrands anyway. The 970 had already kicked AMD's ass six ways to Sunday during the 290/290x days before they had to rebrand the 200 series to 300 due to no 20nm node availability.
The details and release dates matter. We can't just look at "what sold more" to get our answers.
>>55000819
480 is Poolaris 10
>>55000441
VR is a meme, i hope YOU didnt fall for it
>>55000812
>>55000827
>>55000691
It's not even the same process dumbfucks, Polaris will be manufactured by Global Foundries 14nm FinFET, not by Samsung 14nm LPP
>>55000833
>making it appealing for consolefags
Do you understand what you just said? You presented an argument about a niche part of the gpu purchasing market in an discussion about "most people buying gpus?"
>average Joe's
Because average Joe's did not overwhelming purchase the 970 in comparison to any other single gpu in the same generation?
>>55000842
annnd now the 390 is making memes of the 970
>>55000863
Let me explain again
I said "most of the people that will buy the 480 are average joes"
I didn't say, "most people are going to buy the 480"
There is a big difference
And secondly, a big reason most average joes bought the 970 was because it was basically the only good price to performance card on the market, compared to the 750ti
A big reason not a lot of people bought a 380-390 is because it basically costed the same as a 980, and not a lot of people wanted to shell out $100 more for a 980
>>54998348
>Brown people are the only people shit posting about AMD
>Hurr glorious nvidia master race
Why do people care so much about computer hardware brand?
>>55000842
>Those came way too late and were just Hawaii rebrands anyway.
They were still a competitor to the 970 of the same generation but I will concede that they were a turbocharged rebrand.
>>55000911
>I said "most of the people that will buy the 480 are average joes"
Let me get this straight. You jumped into a discussion about "most people will buy 480s" without bothering to discuss the topic of "most people will buy 480s?" You are not the same poster who posted >>54999722
>most people just want a cheep card that can run shit.
>>55000349
>kmhz
That's gigahertz.
>>55000962
Excuse me if i mispoke, what I meant to say I'm that post is
"Most average people want a cheep card that can run shit"
The 970 and 750ti were cheep cards that ran shit.
I wanted to try to convey that in my post but I over generalized.
>>54998273
>wccftech
I wouldnt trust wccftech if it told me that NVidea was selling the 1080... after its release, and especially when it comes to a benchmark for a card thats been confirmed not to have come out yet for testing (june 12th)
>>55000863
>average Joe's did not overwhelming purchase the 970 in comparison to any other single gpu in the same generation?
Actually, the 750 Ti and 960 outsold the 970, and continue to outsell it. Sure, they're two different cards, but they both target the same segment of the market-- the same segment that the 480 targets.
For reference:
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/
Next time you shouldn't make things up without any point of reference, ok?
![82d[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/g3FXBRq.jpg "82d[1].jpg")
>>55000226
>>55001020
>Actually, the 750 Ti and 960 outsold the 970
I'm looking at Steam and the 970 is the top used (and thus top selling) gpu. More than 50% more people bought the 970 compared to the 960 and the 750ti. I don't see what you are trying to say _unless_ you are adding the two numbers together as if people are buy _both_ a 960 and 750ti?
>>55001020
The 970 is more than 50% greater use (and thus sales) in comparison to the 960 or the 750ti. I don't see what you are trying to say unless you are _adding them together_ as if every person who bought a 960 _also_ bought a 750ti.
>>55001020
>>55000863
960: 175$
750ti: 100$
970: $290
960 & 750 ti use: 6.45% of all users who took the survey
970 : 5.13 of all users who took the survey
>>55001056
>>55001091
see
>>55001096
This is about market segmentation. If you don't understand why the 750Ti and 960 should be grouped together for the purposes of this conversation, then you're too ignorant to participate, and I'm sorry about that.
>>55000519
Nobody buying a $500 CPU would waste their time with the 1080. 1080Ti. next Titan, or Vega senpai.
>>55001096
>960 & 750 ti use: 6.45% of all users who took the survey
You cannot use a 960 and a 750ti in the same computer. Why are you adding the numbers together?
>>55001091
>>55001056
>>55001096
So what you're saying the 960 and 750ti don't both fill the same niche?
The 960 and 750ti both sit in the same price range and both have great performance to price ratio, that's probably why they are both still Sidley used.
Why would almost 6% of all steam users still use the same two cards if the 970 is so good?
The 750ti and 960 are both in the 100$-$200 range, but they both compete with the 970.
>>55001191
>You cannot use a 960 and a 750ti in the same computer.
One caveat. You can if you want to use the 750ti as a Physx-only card but that's just in case the guy is going to be ridiculously pedantic.
>>55001214
Let me get this straight. You are arguing that people bought BOTH a 960 and a 750ti INSTEAD OF a 970?
>>55001243
He isn't, are you retarded? He says that the majority of the market is in the 100-300 range, despite the generation having awful cards in that range and the 970 being much better value
>>55001191
>>55001243
That's literally not what I'm saying, you are strawmanning hard right now.
See >>55001214
They are to cards under $200 that are both widely used by the same market.
Your literally just arguing in fallacy right now.
The reason we group the 960 and 750ti is because they are both cards in the same price range and both have the same range in performance to price.
>>55001268
100-200 range*
>>55001243
Literally what I'm saying is that the same person who would buy a 750ti would also consider a 960, because they are both on the same playing field of price to performance.
>>55001268
>He isn't, are you retarded? He says that the majority of the market is in the 100-300 range
Ah. Okay. That makes sense. Then that raises the question. How many people bought the 750ti when it came out and still using it, ie were not in the market to buy a new card when the 960 and 970 were available?
>>55001298
>Literally what I'm saying is that the same person who would buy a 750ti would also consider a 960
See >>55001302
>>55000232
>people have stupid fan curves
Nigga turning a blower up to 70% is stupid. I'm not a poorfag CoD nigger, I have a legit 7.2 surround system not shitty headphones.
I buy aftermarket GPU coolers for my aftermarket-design GPUs just so I can run them overclocked at 40% fan speed.
I have 7 case fans and two on the CPU so I can run them all as low as possible so I don't have to hear shit.
>Just turn up the fan retard
Pfffft, you spent $700 to listen to a fan instead of the game. Chump
>>55001302
There is no way to find that out,
But judging by how nearly 3.40% of people are still using a 960 and 3.05% are still using a 750ti, don't you think the numbers would be a little lower if they upgraded to a 970?
Why stay with the 750ti if the 960 and 970 are better?
>>55001371
>There is no way to find that out,
Thus why I limit comparison to cards of the same generation.>>55001371
>don't you think the numbers would be a little lower if they upgraded to a 970
No, because this isn't a zero sum game. There are always new people getting into their first GPU included with people who are replacing an old one.
>>55001371
What I'm trying to get across Is this:
If there are more people using cards under $200
(Aka, 750ti, 960, etc.) than a single card that's almost $300
Won't all those same people want to buy another card that's also $200 or under? (Aka, the 480)
You're trying to tell me that there are more people using a $300 gpu than there are people using ones in the $100-$200 range
>>55001440
Meant to reply to this >>55001403
>>54998299
It's faster than a 390x you smartass retard, look at graphics, not combined scores
>>55001440
>If there are more people using cards under $200
That's nice but not entirely relevant. The point is about people who are _going to buy a gpu_ and part of your argument functions only if you include people who did not and are not going to buy a gpu.
>>55001403
The 750Ti and 960 are both Maxwell. You know that, right? It's part of why the value they offer is so similar. The 960 is the direct replacement for the 750Ti, and despite being released AFTER the 970. It's not even a question that if people who own a 750Ti were in the market for a new card last year when the 960 was launched, they'd have bought a 960-- it's a fact. And right now, the 480 is looking MIGHTY compelling to NOT ONLY that 6% of the market, but ALSO anyone else who has a card that's slower, but hasn't been able to justify spending over $150 to get a card that might only perform 30% better relative to what they already have. Unless Nvidia release a 1060 with value as compelling as the 480, AMD will own the mainstream market.
>>55001472
All I'm saying is that amd is trying to grab the people using gpus in the ~$200-$100 range
It may or may not make the people using cards less than $200 want to upgrade, but the way they priced the 480 makes it seem like they want to give them a reason to.
Basically, they want to give the people that want an upgrade, but don't want to spend anymore than $200, since there are a lot of people sticking with gpus that cost $200 or less. They either don't see a reason to upgrade or don't see a price low enough to buy a new gpu at, that's why the 960, 750ti, and other gpus under 200 are still so widely used, because for some that's the max they are willing to pay. If you use words like "vr ready" the general consumer is going to think "wow, then it must be powerful" and possibly be enticed.
>>55001472
>people who did not and are not going to buy a gpu
Do you think the fucking tooth fairy gave them their 750Ti or 960? Jesus what a retarded thing to say
>>55001513
>The 750Ti and 960 are both Maxwell.
Yes, the 750 was the first Maxwell card and the last of the 700 series. It was a popular card when it went on sale eight months before the 970 was launched. The point still remains. How many of those who bought a gpu in those eight months affects the comparison that includes both the 960 and the 750ti when compared to the sales of the 970. If we cannot account for those numbers we cannot compare the sales of the 750 ti in comparison to sales of 970s.
>>55001540
>All I'm saying
Might I suggest you "just say it" in a post without linking another anon's post? It is only fair to expect that what you are "just saying" is materially relevant to the post you link to.
>>55001541
>Do you think the fucking tooth fairy gave them their 750Ti or 960?
No. Are you functioning under some retarded concept that everyone who was shopping for a video card before the 970 it was launched were going to buy a 970 after it was launched? That, good sir, is retarded.
>>55001472
The reason I say most people are going to buy ~$200 gpus
Is because if you look on the steam hardware survey, most people are using ~$200 gpus
Some people are still using Intel HD graphics.
While the 970 reigns supreme as the single most used card, it is not the most used card in its price range.
the 480 wants to be the 970 of the $300 gpus
It wants to be the best out of the ~$200 gpus
You can't deny that more people are using gpus that cost about $200 than those that cost $300, $400, and up.
>>55000883
hey man, I'm a pretty big AMD shiller myself, but no one's using a 390 or 970 for 4k
>>55001602
We aren't trying to compare direct cards, you are trying to compare the 970 to all other cards.
What we are comparing is its price point.
Like I said in >>55001606
The 970 is the most bought $300 card, I can't deny that, but what the 480 is trying to do is become the most bought $200 card, since that's where the majority of people lie, in the $200 range
>>54999501
you know you don't have to make up the numbers right?
As someone who games on 1920x1200 and uses a 4k 60hz tv as a monitor, the idea that you put me in pleb town with the other 96% of pc gamers. I am the 4%
>>55001606
>Is because if you look on the steam hardware survey, most people are using ~$200 gpus
Yes, I understand you are using a comparison that includes people who bought gpus before the 960/970 were launch. But that has limited bearing on the comparison of buying a 480 compared to a 1070. In that situation the two cards are coming out roughly contemporaneously. It does not accurately reflect people who are going to choose a GPU for the first time. It does not accurately reflect people who are going to upgrade from an old $200 gpu to either a new $200/230 gpu or a new $370 gpu.
>>55001660
I missed my pic because I'm retarded.
>>55001658
>We aren't trying to compare direct cards, you are trying to compare the 970 to all other cards.
You might be trying to compare them to all other cards but that is not analogous to the comparison of the 480 to the 1070. New to this thread?
>>55001656
What's up brah?
>>55001672
>>55001685
The only reason I'm comparing the 1070 to the 480 is because more people are using cards $200 or less, the 480 is $199, which is why I think that it may sell well due to the majority of the market being in the $200 range.
Sure, some people will upgrade to a 970, but that doesn't account for how more people use the same 2-3 cards that are under $200 than one $300 card
More people have stuck with the same cheep gpus than those who have upgraded to the 970.
>>54999406
AMD loves to gimp GPUs. Just look at what happened to VLIW4 and 5 after GCN 1.0 came out.
>>55001745
>are using cards $200 or less
But the point is about BUYING not simply USING. Unless you function under some belief that they are going to just get a 480 or 1070 for free?
>Sure, some people will upgrade to a 970
No one has made an argument about upgrading to a 970. Again, the point is only about _buying_ a new card including people who are buying a gpu for the first time. This is not a zero sum game comparison.
>>55001781
Are you saying that AMD affirmatively acted to reduce the capabilities of cards using VLIW4 and 5 to sell more cards that use GCN1.0?
>>54999406
The 390 is a chip that's been in the market like what, 4 years now? The RX480 will be a brand new chip with lots of room for optimization. Can't really call it gimping when it's just a card getting better as opposed to getting worse.
t. 390 owner
>>55001706
show me running a game at playable settings
>>54998273
Wow OP, you mean Nvidia came out with a killer card and AMD responded with "No guys wait til you see our new line, its gunna be cheap AND beat Nvidia's new cards!" then the benchmarks came out and showed that AMD was full of shit?
I've never seen this happen before. This is literally the first time this exact thing has ever happened. Unprecedented.
>>55001809
>BUYING not USING
Most people buy a card first, then start using it.
>no one has made an argument about upgrading to a 970
>>55001302
Does this mean the RX 480 isn't the super value everyone thought it was?
Will it still be a great card for maxing games @ 1080p @ 60fps?
>>54998421
if it's the 290x again, why does it only require 1 6-pin connector
>>55001809
didnt you use steam statistics to support your argument, and are now bringing in the people who are going to get a gpu for the first time?
>>55001658
>but what the 480 is trying to do is become the most bought $200 card, since that's where the majority of people lie, in the $200 range
That's such an awesome strategy and will never backfire once Nvidia drops the 970s price to $200 to beat AMD at the pricepoint.
>>55001926
Never mind I saw the benchmark ITT showing the rx480 outperforming the 980.
>>54998471
>>55001870
I was blocked for 5 minutes so i decided to fill your request.
Though I'm not sure what it has to do with your claim of
>hey man, I'm a pretty big AMD shiller myself, but no one's using a 390 or 970 for 4k
I am, that's a given.
But d3:ros, This runs at 60fps.
>>55001964
Whoops, without the weird error and the fps counter.
>>55001950
they probably will, though, we can't make assumptions.
But judging by how aggressive Nvidia is, they most likely will.
But If am can get third party manufacturers to lower the price to about $175, they can still snatch up the 750ti and 960 users, which make up the most of strams userbase with an equal priced, but more powerful card than a 960.
>>55001950
Not gonna happen, champ. There's a lower bound to how cheap a chip can be and it's based on die size. The price for a 970 won't go much lower than it is now until it goes on clearance next year, at which point the 970 will be irrelevant.
>>55002008
Steams*
Mobile
>>55002021
and 3.5gb actually comes into play for sli.
>>55001781
>>55001830
https://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970/images/perfrel_1920.gif
https://tpucdn.com/reviews/MSI/HD_7970_Lightning/images/perfrel_1920.gif
https://tpucdn.com/reviews/Sapphire/HD_7970_Toxic_6_GB/images/perfrel_1920.gif
https://tpucdn.com/reviews/HIS/HD_7970_X_Turbo/images/perfrel_1920.gif
https://tpucdn.com/reviews/MSI/R9_280X_Gaming/images/perfrel_1920.gif
https://tpucdn.com/reviews/ASUS/R9_270X_Direct_Cu_II_TOP/images/perfrel_1920.gif
First one is December 2011, last one is November 2013, after which it was dropped from the chart. Notice the 6970 stays pretty much stable with the cards it was released with? It's a 570 / 480 competitor.
now compare those numbers, the 680 and 770 in there, with a recent 770 >>55000883
>>55001964
>>55001981
alright fine, but i still think 4k gaming at high settings isn't viable yet with a single card
yes, yes, low settings 4k looks as good as 1080p ultra i get it
>>55002146
That's max settings in d3. I don't even play like that normally(playing in 4k), but it's something I can/could do. since I'm using a 55 inch monitor/tv I use a ~29 inch window to play diablo 3 while I have the other shit i'm listening to /watching on the rest of it. 4k and 4k gaming are different animals, since I'm sitting 2-3 feet from my monitor I don't want 4k gaming, I want a 4k desktop and a ~2500x~1600 game. 4k gaming isn't a thing for me. When I play a game I don't care about the graphics I care about the game. I will shoot a block at a block if it means I get better performance.
My current plan is to buy four 480's if i can preorder them at 230ish a piece. I need 2 for this rig, one for my fiance/girlfriend and one for my computer at another location. Up until this release amd hasn't had hdmi 2.0 which is why I upgraded to a 970. I would have bought a 390x or a 390x2[spoiler]I really wanted a 390x2[/spoiler] But they don't do 4k@60 on tv's. the 970 solo does.
>>55002227
>fiance
whoops i ment
>fiancee
I'm not a gay, didn't know they were different words.
>>55002244
don't worry we all know she's actually a he, it's ok
>>55002270
You caught me m8 I'm a gay guy that loves 4k so who even want's 4k, 4k is for fags. Lets outlaw 4k tv's and monitors, 1080p only.
Paid for by big money 1080p investors.
>>55001917
>no one has made an argument about upgrading to a 970
Did you fail at basic reading comrpehension?
>were not in the market to buy a new card
Because that does not include first time buyers?
>>54998273
Did you really expect anything different, you retarded asshole? That's like being surprised that a 1070 is slower than a 980 ti.
>>55001949
>now bringing in the people who are going to get a gpu for the first time?
I don't see the problem you asking about. Can you elaborate?
why does /g/ care about gfx cards when /g/ doesnt even play video games
>>55001949
Are you for real? I'm the 4k 970 guy. At some point people bought a 970, unless you are going to try to argue that people only upgrade to 970's the rate at which first time buyers is irreverent to how many 970's are out there.
Unless you see a reason why 970 owners were more likely to be first buyers, but 480 owners are only upgrading then not then it's not related to this argument.
So my question is.
the 970 is mostly owned by (upgraders, first time buyers)
The 480 is going to be bought by (upgraders, first time buyers)
And if first time buyers how are we going to run stats on it?
>>55002892
Half of us mine bitcoins with those nvidia cuda cores :^)
>>55002935
citation needed.
>>54998273
>390 for 120bux less
I see no problem with this at all.
>>55002928
>And if first time buyers how are we going to run stats on it?
Are you asking how are we going to run stats on the 480, a card that is not for sale yet?
>>55000023
$250 + tax = $300
Holy shit, where do you live that has a 20% tax rate? Even if you do, just order off amazon or another site that doesn't charge you tax.
>>55002952
Yes. Sales figures.
What is your current expected sales numbers and how do you intend to calculate them?
>>54998273
>http://wccftech.com/radeon-rx-480-3d-mark-benchmarks/
look at the specs its obvious the Rx 480 was not meant to beat the 390
AMD just eanted to have a minium card for VR that's why it sits under the R9 390 while using half the power.
Like AMD's CEO Lisa Su said they want to get the low end into VR that was the goal.
it has nothing to do with anything else.
>>55003100
>What is your current expected sales numbers
I don't have sales numbers. I have a trend projection based upon the sales of the last generation of cards. Do you have specific numbers because all we've been working off is percentage of people who use specific model gpus on steam.
>>55003126
So what's your prediction?
>>55003111
What an idiotic post you've made.
>>55003131
I didn't make a prediction. Use the backlinks. They are there for a reason.
>>55003158
I see that, which is why i asked you for your prediction.
>>55003166
>I see that
You are jumping into the tail end of a discussion to discuss something that was not previously discussed?
>>55003194
You dodged the question, and made no prediction.
Come back when you can tell me what you think will happen.
But good job on shit talking people while not being willing to put yourself out there?
>>54999579
>Performancerating
Like I'm gonna trust benchmarks done by someone that doesn't even know how to use a fucking space bar.
>>54998353
But Polaris is fabbed by GlobalFoundries.
>>55003207
>You dodged the question, and made no prediction.
Oh, the irony? Why do I have to make a prediction? Because you asked me to?
The question you asked me was not relevant to the current discussion and it seems you want to make it part of the discussion. In case you haven't figured it out yet, I'm not posting on 4chan to answer your ever whim.
>>55003242
>call someone out
>Well you said it m8, i'm just saying you are wrong I don't have a solution.
Thanks. I really appreciate your comments.
