Daily reminder Linux has now over 2000 gaymes on Steam, so muh gaymes excuse is now irrelevant
You have now 0 reasons to use wangblows 10 telemetry
And opengl btfo directx
MICROSHILLS ON SUICIDE WATCH
BTFO
https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linux-gaming-exploding-steam
http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/133824-valve-opengl-is-faster-than-directx-even-on-windows
>>54966069
muh enterprise systems compatibility
>>54966069
>Still no (proper) Flash
>Still no (proper) Photoshop
>Still no Clip Studio Paint
>Still no FL Studio
And no, using buggy ass WINE, pen-pressure-less GIMP, or any ass-pulled alternative for FL studio that 100% guaranteed doesn't have proper audio support, is not a viable option.
Face it, Linux is a niche OS. Computers have been to assimilated to break the mold.
>>54966069
2000 indies and 10 years old games, nice.
>>54966069
LOL LINUX AND GAYMESS U GOT US GEWD LULUZLZUZLPZOZL WE SHOULD ALL SWITCH KTHX OP
>>54966069
>Still no relevant AAA games
>>54966152
>needing flash
lowlife
>>54966152
>>Still no (proper) Flash
Troll
>>Still no (proper) Photoshop
Wine
>>Still no Clip Studio Paint
Gimp, Krita, Inkscape..
>>Still no FL Studio
Audacity
>100% guaranteed doesn't have proper audio support, is not a viable option.
troll again
>>54966152
>>>Still no (proper) Flash
>>Still no (proper) Photoshop
>>Still no Clip Studio Paint
>>Still no FL Studio
luckily, the GNU/Linux community doesn't aim for market share and proprietary driver/software support, something that OP doesn't realize
>>54966190
A+ job not reading the post.
>>54966152
>>Still no FL Studio
>>54966152
>Still no (proper) Photoshop
Fuck Flash.
>>54966152
>using flash in 2016
moron
>>54966171
>Still no relevant AAA games
Civ5
Left4dead2
CSGO
Team Fortress
Dota 2
Which AAA games do you mean besides these, which are all on Linux?
>>54966203
A++ reply would read again
You can tell OP isn't a Linux user. Actual Linux users don't want gamers moving to Linux. There's a reason your house fire cards don't have good drivers for Linux. Linux software is made by people who care about being able to do that on Linux. Anyone who wants to use their computer to heat their room in the winter is going to compile something.
>>54966152
>Needing flash in the year 2016
Your shitty porn games aren't that important.
I moved to Linux once but whenever I saw the quality of the ports on stuff like CS:GO and the support for the drivers I switched back.
It's too bad, I actually really liked it.
>>54966203
A+ job never having tried Linux or Wine
There's pepperflash-plugin for chromium or already in chrome if you're a noob
That isn't deprecated, try again
>>54966190
FL Studio and Audacity ain't even close to the same program...
>Not DirectX
>>54966222
Does OpenCL work in Photoshop?
>>54966238
Witcher 3? Fallout 4? GTA V?
>>54966225
>>54966183
>>54966222
Can any of you name a alternative animation software that utilizes timelines, tweening, object movieclip creation, vector graphics, and batch exports in .png?
Legitimately asking, because I come from ye old Newgrounds animation days. (and no, ToonBoom is not what I'm looking for)
>>54966152
>pen-pressure-less GIMP
Are you stupid?
>>54966248
>OP isn't a Linux user
>Let me continue with a rant which shows I know nothing about Linux
>>54966069
2000 games is closer to the amount of games I bought and never played than a list of reasons to switch to linux. 2000 games is a console argument.
>>54966069
I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
>>54966238
Kek
>>54966152
It's GNU/Linux. Linux is the kernel, GNU is the OS.
>No Proper flash
Pepperflashplayer-nonfree + Freshplayerplugin.
>No proper photoshop
GIMP has pen pressure support. Works with my Huion 420, Friend.
You're correct with the rest, (Other then GNU/Linux being a niche OS.)
>>54966277
>Witcher 3? Fallout 4? GTA V?
I don't play those anyway :^)
>>54966259
>>54966255
You both misunderstood my post.
I don't need the flash player, because I don't use the flash player. I need the software, Been using Adobe Flash Professional cs5.5 for years.
>>54966190
linuxfag here, Audacity has nothing to do with FL
>>54966329
This is pretty much every loonix fag reply to a question.
>>54966069
Can I play killer instinct on Linux?
>>54966315
>pen pressure
Nobody uses Photoshop or GIMP with a drawing tablet, ew.
>>54966329
do you play Hipster Pixel Platformer #2934
>>54966288
gr8 b8 m8
>>54966345
If you're going to cherrypick AAA games just to prove your point
>>54966335
>>54966280
You're just doomed.
I hope you learned your lesson about proprietary software.
>>54966386
I play Fallout 4 and Witcher 3, they just got new expansions, also GTA V multiplayer from time to time.
Those are like the most popular games right now, how is that cherry picking?
>>54966329
>Loonix tip 231:
If you don't use or need something, no one else does.
>>54966386
>cherrypick AAA games
>cherrypick games people actually want to play
I was surprised by the performance of Saint's Row IV on my piddling rig. But most games that I can buy on Linux are also coming out on Windows, and if I get both versions when I purchase, I can switch between OS and still help the Linux gaming community, so...you know.
>>54966069
>tfw no leenox stalker
>>54966386
Asking about the most relevant new titles , is not cherry picking. When the argument is "has all these games!" and the number is a fraction at best of the windows options, the titles in this small list are very important. Especially went 300 of them are bejeweled clones
>>54966451
we have loonix stalker with beer, i mean wine.
>>54966069
They all run worse than they would on Windows, though.
>>54966396
>I hope you learned your lesson about proprietary software.
I've learnt that open source keks cant compete :^>
>>54966466
why does every shit troll on this board use 'kek' as a noun
>>54966451
Make it yourself
https://github.com/OpenXRay
>>54966386
Wanting the most popular AAA is cherrypicking now, ok.
>>54966477
desu
>>54966466
Then you're just a bad learner, I guess. I'm a bad learner too, btw.
Gee bill TWO THOUSAND gaymes. That's almost (not even close to) 1% of the over seven hundred eighty one million titles on Steam for Windows. Not to mention the non-Steam titles available for Windows and not Linux.
>>54966465
Did you even read the posts?
OpenGL on Linux outperforms DirectX and OpenGL on Windows.
>>54966465
eventhough opengl reks directx
>>54966444
full house trips baby
>>54966069
Indie trash does not count as meaningful content.
>>54966491
>seven hundred eighty one million titles on Steam
Holy crap.
>>54966494
>>54966497
That's no good on its own when the drivers are shit.
>>54966491
>Gee bill
faggot
>>54966508
half of those games are clones
>>54966069
>using steam
>>54966491
>Not to mention the non-Steam titles
Like what?
The most popular are on steam for sure
>>54966519
Sorry Bill, I know it sucks when people forget to capitalize your name.
>>54966524
And half of the games on Linux are indietrash or clones. When I say not even close to 1% you need to realize I mean not even a little close. At all.
> 2000 games
> Swapped to Linux
> Installed Steam
> Like maybe a dozen of my library of over a hundred were compatible
> None of which I had interest in playing at that time
Nah, probably not gonna fully swap for realsies until gamedevs themselves consider it a serious competitor and worthy of attention.
>>54966410
Exactly. Until all the major AAA games [not just steam made ones] come out with Linux releases Linux will not be relevent to the main stream gamer that is into all the AAA games.
>>54966536
It's bretty gud. Spent a lot of time in Steam and I do not regret it, because it was fun.
Sure, DRM sucks and I hate that I cannot resell the shit (especially 'rust' was the worst buy ever), but it's a perfect all in one game center. No doubt.
>>54966479
What the fuck even is this? I wasn't aware source for that engine is even available. One of the readmes says something about it being leaked?
>>54966576
> I hate that I cannot resell the shit (especially 'rust' was the worst buy ever)
Steam refunds are a thing, though.
>>54966069
2000 versions of tux racer?
Reminder that the Unreal Editor works almost flawlessly on GNU/Linux and that making your game multi-platform is literally a matter of clicking a checkbox.
The catalogue is probably going to grow a lot in the near future.
>>54966152
>implying FL studio is good
Linux has plenty of DAWs. Ardour is surprisingly capable and would feel familiar to any pro, bitwig just werks and Renoise is fucking great.
>buggy ass WINE
git gud
>pen-pressure-less GIMP
Stop buying shitty chinese wacom knockoffs
>>54966465
>>54966494
>>54966497
Except it isn't true.
>>54966491
>number of total sales is the same as the number of unique game titles for sale
Is this hypberbole, trolling, or are you literally that simple?
>>54966617
>>54966564
>gamedevs themselves consider it a serious competitor and worthy of attention
not to get a /v/ on you, but AAA game devs have been trying to cut ties with PC gaming for awhile, for favor of a more company-controlled console system.
They barely patch shit for Windows, if they ever feel like porting it in the first place. If it's not some FPS, then chances are it's buggier than their console counterparts.
>>54966617
.
>>54966644
I guess you're not wrong.
Considering how piracy is still pretty rampant, I'm surprised many PC gamedevs haven't just called it quits.
well I dunno the games I can emulate and natively run on linux will probably last me my whole lifetime.
The PSX and SNES RPGs alone that I still have to play are several years worth of gameplay. And I want to master all characters in Street fighter 2. Couch multiplayer is great with an N64 emulator. Gaming is so much fun.
>>54966617
..
>>54966238
Hearthstone.
>>54966581
The sources were leaked like two years ago arond the time Lost Alpha was released.
>>54966659
Yes, I have a Raspberry Pi for that too connected to my TV with two DS3 controllers.
But we are talking about real PC gayming, like the other anon sayd, hard AAA titles.
>>54966069
Bait 0/10
>>54966451
Maybe one day
https://vimeo.com/145925044
>>54966238
>released in 2010
>released in 2009
>released in 2012
>1 was released in 1997, 2 was released 2007
>released in 2013
>were in 2016
any games younger than 2 years, anon?
>>54966722
Soma was fun.
>>54966697
Ok fair enough, I'm only a casual gamer and my desktop is worth only for older and less intensive games
I still think it's impressive Linux having these much titles, almost on par with OSX already when it only got support on steam a couple of years ago
>>54966722
>any games younger than 2 years, anon?
Only garbage, anon.
>>54966069
Call me when GTA and Battlefield work on Linux and they get proper drivers.
>>54966676
I play that in my ubuntu mate and mint machine.
>>54966722
And the source ones are just here because Steam OS.
>>54966152
>still no FL studios
>implying keeping musical plebs out of a OS is a bad thing
>>54966785
>using both Ubuntu mate and mint
Why?
I personally would love to definitively switch from Win10 to GNU/Linux, however there is definitively no proper audio tool under that OS. Find me an equivalent of RX5, and a proper way of using the VST or AU format under GNU/Linux and I might do the switch, but as an audio dev, I absolutely cannot leave these tools.
And no, wine is not good for these, and no, VM aren’t any good for audio work.
As for now, my only solution is dual-boot.
>>54966190
>>>Still no FL Studio
>Audacity
top kek
>>54966610
>>implying FL studio is good
There are people implying GIMP is good, you know
>>54966697
Oh well, I don't really care for those. It's a meme to think only new stuff is good. I played SOMA recently, which was available on Linux and it was really great, but then I switched back to two weeks of Tetris. Gaming is a leisure activity and dependant on good gameplay which lasts forever. Good games were released in the past as well as now, so why should I need new ones, it's not like owning and playing the newest games is some kind of social obligiation. They're GAMES! It's cheaper as well.
And what's AAA supposed to mean? The big games were so much money is poured in that you just HAVE to play them? Normally I love cutting edge technology, but with games it just doesn't make any difference. I played the new doom with my friend which looks great and all, but after some time you forget the looks and the core of the game is what shines or not. This works for old games as it works with new ones.
>>54966722
Dead Island?
>>54966760
It's not a fault in linux, its just the market, same goes for drivers.
>>54966238
>Games everyone already played years ago
>Have to install closed source DRM client to play them
>>54966760
> I still think it's impressive Linux having these much titles, almost on par with OSX already when it only got support on steam a couple of years ago
I would genuinely never touch Windows again if it had a 1:1 games library with Windows. Still, new games are being added all the time.
>>54966819
This physically hurt's.
>>54966862
Don't forget about drivers.
>>54966069
still no decent video editor it's why everyone mocks linuxfags
>>54966760
>almost on par with OSX
>impressive
>>54966691
That sounds like a pretty dangerous area legally, distributing modifications of it. What about reimplementing the entire game logic in a separate project based on this code? I'm assuming the issues would be the same?
>>54966900
OSX has been on steam longer and has a bigger marketshare than Linux on desktop
>>54966873
In this case it's "hurts" with the apostrophe left out.
The crux of the bisquit is the apostrophe.
>>54966819
>A title considered to be AAA is therefore expected to be a high quality game or to be among the year's bestsellers.
The things you learn, uh?
I played a few Steam games on Mint and they didn't work well. Some time after that Steam also somehow fucked itself in such a way that Mint's update and package management systems completely ceased working. I couldn't even uninstall Steam normally to correct the situation, and had to do something or other on the command line.
Not really an encouraging experience.
>>54966819
yeah, yeah, but we're not talking about leisure gaming.
OP started the thread perpetuating the notion that Linux was finally becoming on-par with modern PC gaming as a viable OS, when it isn't.
In reality, it's about as supported as the OUYA, which isn't bad. Linux was never meant to be a home for gaming.
>>54966069
> opengl > direct x
muh sides are in orbit
nigga have you ever programmed with opengl and direct x? direct x is so much fucking nicer
you fa/g/ots keep preaching linux and security, bitch you need to get please.
Common sense 2k16 is my anti virus and it's strong as fuck.
LINUX KUKS ON SUICIDE WATCH, NEARING WARNING!
>>54966896
Blender is not decent?
>>54966955
>Blender
>Video editor
u fucking wot m*
>>54966819
>it's a meme to think only new stuff is good.
Not if the game is really good, like those. Also, AAA is a game made by a well know game developer, like Rockstar that invest a fuckton of $ to make a really good game. Not every game made by big developers is a AAA tho.
>>54966928
I have heard of Call of Duty games referred to as "AAA" so who cares. This can't be a category I'm interested in.
>>54966819
And that's why I said, leasure gaming, that's great I can do that with the RasPi connected to my TV. But people where saying that Linux is a gaming platform not, but clearly it's not.
If I can play osu on Linux with my Wacom tablet preferences like I do on Windows, without sacrificing frames or performance, I'll join. Till then, Windows it isi want out of this hell please port osu when it's open source
>>54966952
>oh no a new windows update
>I hope this doesn't add more hidden telemetry ',:^)
>>54966955
I use it for video editing and while I like it it certainly is nowhere near decent.
>>54966967
Blender can do anything.
>>54966908
Sergei doesn't care. Buy him some pepsi if he gets mad.
>>54966971
Yup, there are AAA movies like romance ones I don't like either, does not mean I don't like AAA sci-fi movies.
You stepped in a bucked here, didn't you.
>>54966238
>I have all of these
are you me?
>>54966952
>nigga have you ever programmed with opengl and direct x? direct x is so much fucking nicer
Great arguments, no technical explanation whatsoever, just a subjective "feels nicer"
>>54966942
Clearly for me it is. A compentetive gamer I know uses it to, I don't want to say pro gamer because he only made 50000 dollars once, but he uses Linux for CS:Go and he plays nothing else.
So actually we're talking only about the people who want to be able to play absolutely everything. I can't blame them.
>>54966069
they don't even have Rollercoaster Tycoon
>>54967009
I had a great experience with Braid. Would you consider it a AAA title? I don't think so. I liked it a lot, better than the whole Half-Life series even. So what should the label AAA tell me?
>>54967022
It can be easily translated into "Direct X is a nice crutch that does even more heavy lifting for me so I can mindlessly code 1080p vidya without worrying about revving up the GTX 1080 cards"
>>54966069
>so muh gaymes excuse is now irrelevant
unless there's a specific game you want to play that linux doesn't support which is pretty fucking common considering how small 2000 games is as a subset of all available steam games.
I hate wangblows as much as the next /g/uy but linux still lags far behind in both gaming performance and compatibility. This is no better than a microshill thread, a shitpost is a shipost is a shitpost.
>>54967029
Anon kun, you do know they don't allow Linux in game tournaments, even for CS:GO.
You know, cheating and stuff.
>>54967022
Aren't DirectX and OpenGL created for different tasks?
IIRC, DirectX uses OpenGL, no?
>>54966785
You have to use a hack for it to run
Having to use wine or play on Linux is not what having game support means.
>>54967054
Right now you are saying that AAA can't be good. That's why you say Linux does not need them. Sounds rather retarded.
>>54967066
No, I have never heard of that. Can you link me up to a source?
I do a lot of video editing, mainly on Sony Vegas. What options do I have on Linux?
Lightworks is currently not compatible with my AMD graphics card (which can only use free drivers on the current Linux kernel and AMD no longer provides proprietary drivers)
Something like kdenlive is not a valid alternative as it lacks many advanced features of Sony Vegas and still feels closer to Windows Movie Maker than a professional piece of software.
>>54967054
he's meming you
AAA = Hollywood games. Always. Sometimes hollywood comes out with a good product, but most of the time it's poorly-thought out shit
Indie = Independent films. Always. Low-budget, and vary's in release based on amount of effort * size of team. Sometimes independent films end up being good product, but most of the time it's poorly-thought out shit
>>54967022
>>54966617
>>54966634
>>54966650
>>54966668
Vulkan is coming anyway, so no worries.
>>54967088
No I'm not saying that. I'm just saying AAA is not necessarily synoymous with game quality and for that reason rather arbitrary and completely useless to me.
>>54967099
>AMD graphics card
o shit, which one do you have?
>>54966925
OS X as a gaming platform is a joke. Having less games than OS X makes Linux even more of a joke for anyone who isn't a diehard freetard and why would a diehard freetard install closed source DRM shitware on his free as in freedom system?
>>54967099
Blender?
>>54967112
AAA is game quality, (budget)x(how many people liked it).
AAA games have different flavors, you can't generalize them like that.
See
>>54967105
>>54966955
it's movie maker tier
>>54967114
Radeon HD 7900. Can only use free drivers at this point, they underperform and lack compatibility.
>>54967127
Never actually tried Blender for video editing as I have no interest in its' 3D modelling/animating features. Might give it a try.
>>54967131
>>54967112
What I wanted to say, is that AAA games are directly linked with Linux being a usable gayming platform, because without them it's not.
>>54966808
another one is old laptop and other is desktop.
>>54967131
I'm not generalizing the term, I'm individualizing it. I don't derive anything from the term as I would from "Fast paced first person shooter with upgrade mechanics added to the mix". As you said, an AAA title can be anything. This means it's a term that's absolutley bogus to even think about to me. Maybe if you're discussing the industry and hyped titles, okay I see the reasons why you would use terms like that. But to me as someone who has a massive backlog of good titles that I don't have to hassle with it's very pointless.
>>54967065
>I hate wangblows as much as the next /g/uy but linux still lags far behind in both gaming performance and compatibility.
Compatibility obviously
I don't see where it lags on actual graphical performance desu
>>54967107
Can you sum up Vulkan for retards? Is it similar to DX12?
Really what this thread (and what the majority of these Windows v. Linux threads) come down to is this.
Just use both. Either dual-boot for your needs, or have two computers with both OS's installed.
It's like trying to use Sailfish over Android. You're always gonna need at least ONE industry standard if your in (or involved) in a industry.
>>54966996
Well alright then I guess. Interesting project, wouldn't they be better off implementing vulkan instead of opengl though at this point
>>54967185
I use Windows on my gayming rig and Debian on my laptop, also OS X on my graphical workstation.
>>54967195
you're the true master race.
>>54967176
lack of directx is pretty crippling for certain games.
>>54966069
Still no fallout 4
>>54967143
As I said, you're talking about new games here. The gaming fun I had with linux machines is not measurable.
This is my spirit:
"Let's all get up and dance to a song that was a hit before your mother was born, although she was born a long long time ago". I'm thinking in cosmic aeons baby. 20 years ago is like no time has passed at all. Philip K. Dick postulated we still live under the roman empire around the time of the birth of christ... Extra extra read all about it. Philip K. Dick's Valis. Must have. I believe so as well. The NES console was yesterday. WW2 was a week ago. Don't let advertising fool you.
>>54967225
But Billy the PS4 faggot want's to come over to PC gayming he will use Windows because Linux does not have most of the new popular games.
>>54967181
>Wikipedia
Vulkanis a low-overhead,cross-platform3D graphicsandcomputeAPI first announced atGDC2015 by the Khronos Group.The Vulkan API was initially referred to as the "next generationOpenGLinitiative" by Khronos, but use of those names were discontinued once the Vulkan name was announced.Vulkan is derived from and built upon components of AMD'sMantleAPI, which was donated by AMD to Khronos with the intent of giving Khronos a foundation on which to begin developing a low-level API that they could standardize across the industry, much like OpenGL.
LikeOpenGL, Vulkan targets high-performancerealtime 3D graphics applicationssuch as games and interactive media across all platforms, and offers higher performance and lower CPU usage, much likeDirect3D 12 andMantle. In addition to its lower CPU usage, Vulkan is also able to better distribute work amongst multiple CPU cores.
It's a low level API, this sums everything.
>>54966069
Nothing worth playing though.
>>54967203
That's compatibility again, tard. Not performance.
>>54967263
I've read the page on APIs like four times and I still have no fucking clue what it actually is or does. Top retard.
>>54966069
>over 2000 games on steam
>except the ones i want to play
>>54967181
>>54967263
Read on Wikipedia, 4chan fucked the formatting.
>>54966069
"Working on LeLnux"
>Waste massive amount of time downloading dota 2 to check performance
>Start the game
>Nothing happens
>Profile saying "Playing dota 2"
>Try to quit Steam
>"You cannot quit Dota is still running"
>ps
>No dota in sight
>killall
>Delete
Wew lad, reminder that Linux is a full blown IDE OS useful only for programming and other limited use cases.
>>54967308
Servers, don't forget servers.
Fuck, also Android.
>>54967297
An API is a set of instructions for drawing on the screen that a programmer can easily use instead of writing everything for himself over and over again.
For example, instead of adding three points on the screen and then drawing lines between them, there is a function called DrawTriangle().
Well, it's more complex of course, with libraries having gigantic optimizatzion and functionality but that's the abstract principle.
>>54967261
Billy can die in a fire along with the entire industry as far as I care.
>>54967371
Thread is literary about that Linux would be a viable option for Billy to gayme on.
Most of the thread says otherwise, even you right now.
Fucking Loonix threads.
>>54967277
well performance due to compatibility. semantics I guess
>>54967355
Ah, I understand, finally! Thanks, dude!
So Vulkan is just a new, more powerful way to get things drawn onto the screen for games, right?
>>54967413
Nope. DirectX does not run on Linux. That doesn't mean it runs slow, it does not run at all. Because it's incompatible. Literal retardation.
>>54967308
>reminder that Linux is a full blown IDE OS useful only for programming and other limited use cases
Welp at least you recognise it's good at something, unlike most winfags
>>54967422
Unless you translate system calls.
>>54967430
B-but anon, that only works up to DX9, and it's not surprising if a DX9 game happens to work better on linux than windows.
DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12 DX12
>>54967429
Windows is an absolute meme for programming anything not Microsoft related and even then.
>>54967447
Yes it works better if it's so fucking broken it's only rendering half the shit it should.
Less shit to render, more performance.
>>54967480
>autism
I'd expect nothing less from a Microcock shill
>>54967297
APIs a set of instructions, without them you would have to write a bunch of shit every time. Also, if a API is low level like Vulkan, it means it got direct access to the hardware, it's faster.
Pretty much this >>54967355
>>54967457
Communist Cat! What do you mean with DX12?! WHAT DO YOU MEAN?!
>>54967422
no, but it means that games built primarily for directx have poor performance on linux due to the lack of directx on linux, which is what I'm trying to say. I'm not saying linux has poor performance, I'm saying many games do not perform well on linux as a result of incompatibility. It's really not that difficult to understand.
>>54967414
Yes, and vulkan as well as directX12 offers "low level functionality".
Explained with my example, a very crude way would be:
NVIDIA graphics cards are faster drawing triangles when I call DrawTriangleX() and with ATI graphics cards I better call DrawTriangleY().
So I check what hardware I have and then call one of the functions and get optimized performance or special effects through that.
Previous iterations of the APIs were more abstract and tried to keep such specialized functionality to a minimum. There was only a DrawTriangle(). With these new low level functionalities you might sacrifice a bit of compatibility, but on the other hand you can optimize better.
When thinking about graphics, you can imagine this queue:
Program (i.E. game, Operating system) -> API -> Drivers -> graphics card -> cable -> monitor
>>54967501
I see what you're saying, I just don't see how you can pin poor performance on linux because of incompatibility. If you mentioned all the crappy ports that suffer with performance, then sure.
>>54967505
Gotcha. I remember the FFXV DX12 demo and it looked really nice, but that was like over a year ago now.
These sorts of technologies usually take a while to be accepted by the industry as a whole, don't they? Like, ARMA 3's bunch, Bohemia, are looking into getting DX12 up and running on ARMA 3, but they said it won't be in for a loooooooooooong time.
>>>54967569
Yeah it's not exactly a part of the software which can be exchanged by a flick of a switch, especially when the specifications of the api to be implemented are not known or considered in the initial planning phase of a game. It's pretty hard to abstract your programming so it works with any API (you would need something called an API wrapper) and with Arma 3 which is one of the most complex software monstrosities ever unleashed upon mankind, I say it's impossible without losing performance to the level of unplayability.
So basically they have to go in to the code that's for the direct x 11 api and add code to it when the DX12 option is chosen in the menu of the simulation.
If you want to try out the apis or watch comparisons you can check DX12 in ashes of the singularity, Vulkan in The talos principle and Dx12 again in the upcoming deus ex sequel
>>54967760
I don't think I have anything that can run DX12. Can the GTX 760 do it?
Shame, because ARMA 3 already looks and plays pretty decent (with a good system, anyway - although online kills FPS for some reason). Wonder if there's ever gonna be an ARMA 4. It'll probably be worse for that generation of computers than the original Crysis was.
>>54966069
> no witcher 3
> no dark souls
> no fallout
> no skyrim
> no reason to use linux as a main os
>>54967828
>no crappy overrated overpriced game
>no crappy overrated overpriced game
>no crappy overrated overpriced buggy piece of crap game
>no crappy overrated overpriced game (that works perfectly in WINE if you really have a hardon for Grinding: The Game)
Linux protects us
>>54967794
Dunno if your card is compatible but I'm sure you can look it up.
The problem with Arma is that they are still dragging along software from the original operation Flashpoint. They need a fresh start and a new base of code. Just get into the (old) editor and learn the scripting language for it. It's total shit, worse than what Microsoft is dragging along with their windows releases (see: the directory structure, the goddamn registry) , but not as dangerous. There are multiple functions for re positioning objects and only some of them work, some only under special conditions that are not well documented. Programming these bloated games must be total horror of the scripting is so shit. That's why the games always release as a total buggy mess that has to be fixed in post.
>>54966069
>Support for Mass Effect Andromeda
>Delivers the same performance with 3840x2160 resolution
Whenever this happens I'm going to switch.
>>54966154
And not before.
>>54966069
>gaymes
>Wangblows
>btfo
>Microshills
>BTFO
Jesus Christ dude, cool it with the memespeak.
>>54966722
the metro and witcher series
>>54967861
That's exactly the point people try to make in this thread, Linux does not have games. Thanks.
>>54967921
the metro series?
are you referring to the metro series created by the company that went bankrupt, and that was supposed to be their final sendoff?
I thought Metro last light was the only one.
>>54967861
>I don't like, so it's creepy overrated!!1
>Gaymes
>Mostly niche indies and only some are meh
I dualboot simply because the games on linux aren't good for most people.
>>54967861
>I have never played half these games
Dark Souls is retarded. GTA V is meh. The rest are fucking amazing.
>>54968182
GTA online is pretty good tho
>>54968077
Yeah, the Last Light Redux was released in '13.
>>54968077
>>54968343
oh, I have no idea desu, I thought metro was released a couple years ago, turns out, that was the linux port
anyway, there is also the unreal engine and all the vulkan stuff that is already supported by linux
No more room in hell is actually entertaining
its very nice for a gratis game
>>54968707
>>54968343
>>54968077
What is Metro 2033
Currentply playing Wargame RD and Insurgency on Ubuntu, i only use Windows for BF4.
>>54968844
A game that came out in 2010, with a Redux in '14. So it's still 2 years old, and it's still just a rehash of the first with better graphics. Colour me unimpressed.
>>54968886
2033 and Last Light ain't the same game, bleb.
>>54968923
I am aware of this.
2033 came out first, followed by Last Light in '13, followed by the Redux of both in '14.
>>54969000
Yup.
>>54967107
>Vulkan is coming
Vulkan is already released.
>>54966248
I assume by "house fire cards" you refer to nvidia. In which case, any actual Linux user would know they make very good drivers for Unix systems, and they update them fairly often (new version ~every month).
>>54966509
Only the open source drivers are shit. Both Nvidia and AMD have proprietary drivers that run great and better on Linux than on Windows.
Some people get better performance on the open source drivers due to having older cards, because the proprietary drivers don't care for older cards.
I'm rather new to linux. I have a very high resolution screen but it's not very big (laptop.) Therefore everything on Linux is fucking small (icons, text) to the point of being almost unusable. I tried tweaks and they just made things really fucking ugly.
>>54969143
>proprietary drivers
wait, do you have to buy certain drivers for linux?
It doesn't just come with your GPU
>>54969171
>1 ▶
>>>54969143 (You)
>>proprietary drivers
>wait, do you have to buy certain drivers for linux?
>It doesn't just come with your GPU
They're free, you just have to install them just like you would on Windows.
>>54969171
Free software doesn't mean you won't have to buy it and proprietary software doesn't mean you will have to buy it.
>>54966509
The reason it outperforms is because of the drivers themselves, and how much better they can interact with the hardware.
>>54969182
>>54969216
oh, so what's the problem. Why wouldn't you just install the proprietary drivers? Why even need open source drivers?
>>54966152
>>Still no (proper) Flash
only dumb people uses and programs in flash
>>54969336
b8 or newfriend?
>>54968182
>fallout
>amazing
try the buggiest piece of crap I've played, second only to skyrim. Why bethesda games get so much hype, I'll never understand.
>>54969371
sorry, really am new as fuck when it comes to any linux distro stuff that's not ChromeOS.
I wanted to build a PC and put good ol' fashioned Debian on it, but I don't wanna fuck my shit up
NO TUX, NO BUX
>>54969404
It's the name, both games needed half a year of patches to be playable but it was tottaly worth it.
>>54966069
2000 isn't all the game on steam
Also not all games are on steam so yeah windows 7 is still handy when it comes to gaymes
Besides if VR become a thing I don't think you have any option for that on linux
>>54969468
Never played fallout, but I'm not sure skyrim was worth it. Sure, it was fun and I enjoyed myself, but after a while it just turned into one big grindfest.
>>54969491
It get interesting once in a while after a expansion, when it become a grindfest you outplayed the enjoyment of the game, time to call it quits.
>mfw almost play Linux games exclusively now
>>54969336
you do just install the proprietary drivers.
the open source drivers are for people who dont trust them, or wish to distribute drivers that "just work" with the system, since it is illegal to distribute the proprietary drivers with the distribution.
>>54969595
>then I wake up and I'm in my moms basement and my loonix box is kernel panicking
segmentation fault anon, SEGMENTATION FAULT
>>54966896
https://www.lwks.com/
>>54966816
>There are people implying GIMP is good, you know
you conveniently ignored the main part of the argument though:
>Linux has plenty of DAWs. Ardour is surprisingly capable and would feel familiar to any pro, bitwig just werks and Renoise is fucking great.
>>54966819
I think your argument is pretty reasonable but for them this is like a tribal war, they'll keep increasing the victory requirements and disregarding the progress done on the linux side forever just to win the argument.
>>54966190
THIS NIGGA SAID AUDACITY
>>54969917
http://www.bitwig.com/en/bitwig-studio.html
>>54966190
Enjoy your four figure sample rate.
>>54966152
>Still no Clip Studio Paint
There's krita:
https://krita.org/
http://www.peppercarrot.com/es/tag/krita
http://www.peppercarrot.com/en/article243/episode-4-moment-of-genius
As long as there is at least one game that requires windows, there is no reason to switch.
If you play games you have no reason to use linux, that is the fucking 100% fact.
>>54970049
>As long as there is at least one game that requires windows, there is no reason to switch.
This is a bit extreme, by this logic as long there's one game that requires a ps4 there's no reason to play games on windows.
>If you play games you have no reason to use linux
But what if you like more linux and you want to play games?, well now you can
> that is the fucking 100% fact.
Like it's a fact that the number of linux games has increased a lot in the recent years.
https://steamdb.info/linux/
Look, not telling you to switch to linux but think for a moment if the current MS monopoly on games and lock-in using APIs and formats benefits you in any way. The only thing you win by spreading FUD about linux is shooting yourself in the foot. OP is a faggot btw.
>>54966967
>>54967133
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58hP5iPFemE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XZGulDxz9o
>>54969628
Gladly that happens much less often than bsod's
>>54966722
XCOM 2
>>54970103
If I have to reboot just once to play a game, why would I boot into linux in the first place?
Arma3 is a literal 'experimental beta' that is never going to be finished, and I can't play bf4.
No reason at all, switching to linux for games is just literally succumbing to the garbage valve monopoly locking you into steam.
>>54966069
enjoy your scraps freetard
and I play none of them,dota and cs:go can suck it.
>>54969976
>clip studio paint
>krita
nice choice
>>54970848
>lacking this much self awareness
So microsoft's NSA OS monopoly is totally okay, but Valve wanting competition in the PC gaming market isn't? Autism.
>>54970848
>If I have to reboot just once to play a game, why would I boot into linux in the first place?
>switching to linux for games is
again, i said:
>But what if you like more linux and you want to play games?, well now you can
>Arma3 is a literal 'experimental beta' that is never going to be finished
Maybe but it's playable on linux with good performance, the part about never going to be finished is jut a prediction, also why are you mentioning arma3?
>and I can't play bf4
True but there's other games, the point is that now there's a catalog with good games.
>succumbing to the garbage valve monopoly locking you into steam.
There's gog and humble bundle, also valve allows you to choose your desired platform which MS doesn't. Seriously, no one is obligated to like windows the same way no one is obligated to like linux or mac.
Friendly reminder that Linux has more native games on Steam alone than the PS4 and XBOne combined. That's not even including non-steam or non-native games.
>Loonicks has ALL the games!
>Well not that game
>And neither this one
>Why would you want to play this?
typical linuxfags
>>54973142
Fuck you we have Snakebird.
>>54973862
How do you use your piss soaked iPhone on Linux? Do you dual boot windows?
>>54973862
tripcodes suck
>>54973918
Why so salty?
>>54973931
I'm curious.
>>54966238
Holy shit did you borrow the Delorean from Doc Brown?
New AAA games.
>>54973862
Fuck I got stuck on level 5.
>>54966069
Good job Mr pingu
>>54973977
Did you piss on it?
>>54966069
I'd just like to interject for moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!
>>54966305
No, Richard, it's 'Linux', not 'GNU/Linux'. The most important contributions that the FSF made to Linux were the creation of the GPL and the GCC compiler. Those are fine and inspired products. GCC is a monumental achievement and has earned you, RMS, and the Free Software Foundation countless kudos and much appreciation.
Following are some reasons for you to mull over, including some already answered in your FAQ.
One guy, Linus Torvalds, used GCC to make his operating system (yes, Linux is an OS -- more on this later). He named it 'Linux' with a little help from his friends. Why doesn't he call it GNU/Linux? Because he wrote it, with more help from his friends, not you. You named your stuff, I named my stuff -- including the software I wrote using GCC -- and Linus named his stuff. The proper name is Linux because Linus Torvalds says so. Linus has spoken. Accept his authority. To do otherwise is to become a nag. You don't want to be known as a nag, do you?
(An operating system) != (a distribution). Linux is an operating system. By my definition, an operating system is that software which provides and limits access to hardware resources on a computer. That definition applies whereever you see Linux in use. However, Linux is usually distributed with a collection of utilities and applications to make it easily configurable as a desktop system, a server, a development box, or a graphics workstation, or whatever the user needs. In such a configuration, we have a Linux (based) distribution. Therein lies your strongest argument for the unwieldy title 'GNU/Linux' (when said bundled software is largely from the FSF). Go bug the distribution makers on that one. Take your beef to Red Hat, Mandrake, and Slackware. At least there you have an argument. Linux alone is an operating system that can be used in various applications without any GNU software whatsoever. Embedded applications come to mind as an obvious example.
Thanks for listening.
