Literally the best browser ever
>>54954823
I agree.
It's a browser
Try opening this with it without any 3rd party software.
>>54954838
and it's not shit like firefox
>>54954838
The best one.
>>54954853
Try opening it with a browser thats not third party compared to your OS.
>>54954853
omfg why doesn't it work
>tfw can't webm
>>54954853
>Apple logic
>condemn flash and other 3rd party apps
> html5/webms? Who dat?
>>54954853
>can't use 3rd party software
>chrome and firefox is literally 3rd party software
>>54954884
that's pretty retarded
>>54954902
you sure got him there, yeah safari has aspergers
>>54954866
Works in Chrome OS and Android :^)
>>54954823
> watch youtube while browsing 4chan
> close youtube tab
> whole Mac freezes
> force shutdown required
> happens every week
> "best browser"
>>54954823
That's not Opera 12.16
.webm support when? It's not fair that the best browser doesn't support it
>>54954952
Works on my machine.™
>>54954866
:^)
Just use the VLC plugin. Safari's only the best on a MacBook.
>>54955094
Next task, have a good browser.
>>54954884
Is there any way to fix that?
>>54955815
yes there is
>>54955855
How?
>>54955878
fuck tim cook
>>54955341
Edge is good, at least for me, it runs better than Chrome and Firefox combined, if only it didn't have those shit animations.
>>54954823
I've been using Safari on my rMBP because it doesn't rape my battery life as much as Chrome.
Here's a quick performance test between Safari/Chrome/Firefox. Make sure that each browser has a warm cache too:
>go to https://boards.4chan.org/v/archive
>see how long it takes for page to load and to be able to start scrolling down
>after the page is loaded, try scrolling down quickly
>go back to the top and click the 'Replies' field
>see how long it takes to sort
Safari is a nice browser and all, but it is sluggish on that shit. Firefox and especially Chrome seem to perform nicely.
>>54954823
it's good because of the content blocker feature
I didn't expect such good feedback here. so not all apples are shit?
I always ditched it in my hackintosh
>>54954853
qt cat desu
If I buy a Mac I can't view fucking webms on Safari?
>>54956621
Yep, and sometimes opening/closing/switching tabs is a bit laggy (especially HTTPS 4chan tabs have a noticeable delay). There's also a delay on HTML5 audio (try clicking the SANIC on Safari and compare to Chrome/Firefox http://erogames.website).
>>54954823
It requires os x, a shitty operating system. Even windows 10 is better.
>>54956836
I wonder why Safari gets so much better battery life though. Is it because they use magical, special APIs that only Apple knows of (or only Apple knows how to leverage best), or is it because performance is kinda ass sometimes?
>>54956873
Software designed for specific hardware
>>54956887
I hear this meme a lot: "Apple software works great with Apple hardware because they're designed in-tandem."
Okay, I buy that. But in what ways? Nobody has ever specified how or why in detail.
>>54956873
Don't really know about the performance, but I think the audio delay is a result of not preloading audio from <audio> tags.
>>54956913
Because it's not public information.
>>54955815
VLC plug in. Pretty buggy, but better than chrome/firefox.
>>54956945
Because what isn't public information?
If you mean private APIs, then where's the proof it even uses private APIs at all?
>>54956968
Hello anon, I'm not the guy you're responding to, but I have an inkling on why it's the case.
The problem with designing a software system is backwards compatibility. The comfy app that you're writing on Android & iOS has to work on everything from an iPhone 3 to a Galaxy s7, so you're targetting a lot of different hardware configurations, and you spend a lot of time in Xamarin/Java/C++/whatever just definign different scenarios for different platforms.
Do you know what happens when your app doesn't work on a blackberry? Some douchelord makes a post somewhere going "REASONS WHY COMPANY XYZ CANT ENGINEER SOFTWARE!!! LOOK!! THIS SHIZ DOESNT EVEN WORK"
This is why it's easier to target a game to xbox One than PC. This is why PC ports often suck.
By limiting scope, you can focus on delivering quality customer experience on a single platform, rather than providing an even experience on multiple platforms at once.
>>54957043
Anon you were replying to here..
... wat? Your reply doesn't address the *specific ways* in which Apple designs their software to be more performant/better on battery, and is more-or-less just reiterating "Apple makes their software and hardware work well together since they control both".
I don't think I'll ever get any specifics to this myth.
>>54957136
You'll never get specifics without becoming a software engineer at apple tbqh, I'm just trying to give insight on how the software process is.
Imagine this. You're an engineer, and you can do three tasks in a sprint (unit of time before you have to demo a feature). This is what your tasks can be:
Cross platform:
Implement feature on Android
Implement feature on iOS
Test feature on both
Apple exclusive:
Implement feature on iOS
Test feature on iOS
Optimize feature on iOS
You simply spend MORE man hours on the one ecosystem, you become an expert with that ecosystem, and you can learn ways to use the APIs in more performant ways by sticking to one ecosystem.
It's like doingwhile ((*a)++ = (*b)++);[\code]
to do memcpy instead of an explicit loop.
>>54957213
Same anon here (and sorry if I may have seemed harsh in my last reply).
I think the concept of Apple's software only having to target one piece of hardware -- and thus being more-performant, etc. -- was implicitly understood and encoded in the statement "Apple controls both their software and hardware".
I don't know what to say aside from, again, there's no details and you're just repeating what everyone already knows. And it kinda feels like you're just saying fluff to show-off the fact you're a mobile developer.
>>54957286
Sure I'm showing off anonymously. Yay me.
If you don't like my answers, you might be able to find some blogs from ex apple devs that can help more. Then post them here and we'll both know more :)
At the end of the day, true optimizations come at the instruction level. Less instructions to the CPU for the same work = less heat, less energy and more battery. Because they don't HAVE to expose their inner guts, they can just write in-house kernel drivers to help them out on hard stuff.
I heard that Nintendo systems are built to demonstrate Mario games, the same that mario games are built to demonstrate Nintendo hardware. It's probably the same deal.
Dev team : "We need this Api all the time"
Kernel team : "Okay, we'll optimise it"
Kernel team : "We can't optimise this because there isn't an opcode for (insert random thing)"
HW team : "That's either physically impossible or we'll put extra money into more nand gates."
I'm actually an embedded dev btw
>>54957384
Same anon here, yet again.
Also an embedded dev here, so maybe that's why your comments were unsatisfactory, because it's kinda telling me basic stuff I already know very well. Though maybe I underestimate their value for others who might not know as much.
Anyhow, cheers, friend. Was nice chatting.
>>54954893
webm is only used on 4chan
>>54957488
same to you
>>54956086
I find it confusing and annoying as hell. first you have to turn off all the keyloggers, then turn off msn. When you open a new tab, the bar is in the middle of the screen, so confusing.
I would also lack the ability to share the bookmarks, tabs, etc. with my phone and other devices. Same would go for hand-off.
>>54957526
>what is imgur and gfycat
>>54957651
They also encode H.264 so it doesn't matter
Anyone miss Safari back when it used to be on Windows?
>>54954823
Enjoy hard refreshing everything
>>54956968
The fact that Apple software runs better on Apple devices proves that
>>54956833
nope, just get an addon
>>54957688
yeah Im sad it's not on windows. It's a bit conflicting since I use my macbook for work when I'm not at home with my desktop
>>54956864
Safari 4 worl on Windows
>>54954823
opera next might be a lot like chrome + the battery power savings of safari, so i heard on /g/ yesterday.
>>54954823
this is not firefox nor nakedbrowser.
just kys appleshill.
>>54957899
nah, apple is just bad at software development, even at their own devices, and it seems like it's keep getting worse at it lately.
so how to you expect them to deliver proper software on stuff that isn't applel.
See:
-OS updates (both iOS/OSX) that fuck up the whole system and make the devices unusable
-funny bugs like the file:/// one, or the one with the calendar
-big Security flaws - CVEdetail report (and they take a fuck huge of time to fi them, if they even fix them)
-itunes
-FinalCut
Best browser coming through.
>>54959126
>posting the botnet
>>54959156
look up the definition of botnet first.
>>54958855
>os x and ios
el capitan was a bit of a step down in some aspects, but still added a bunch of useful features. ios has never been any better, unless you mean the "planned obsolescence", which just is older hardware trying to keep up with all the additions.
>file:///
what bug? i am intrigued?
>calendar
you mean the one on ios that breaks the os?
>big security flaws
every major os has them
>itunes
what? it works perfectly.
>finalcut
the software is known to be high end for movie production, go check it out in hollywood. literally nothing wrong with it.
>>54958855
>-OS updates (both iOS/OSX) that fuck up the whole system and make the devices unusable
Never had that happen. Have had it happen with my Samsung and HTC phones.
>>54956950
>VLC plug in. Pretty buggy, but better than chrome/firefox.
>VLC plug in
>better than chrome/firefox
hahah fuck no.
>>54957488
If you were an embedded dev you would understand exactly why single target optimization works. Fucking NEET
I'm not gonna lie, I love Safari. It has really grown on me the past couple of years. If it weren't for muh webms I'd switch to using it full-time. Firefox is a shitshow in comparison.
>>54959478
playing the webm in a seperate tab will prevent the main one from getting too resource heavy.
check power/resource consumption of safari vs chrome
>>54959321
>el capitan was a bit of a step down in some aspects, but still added a bunch of useful features. ios has never been any better, unless you mean the "planned obsolescence", which just is older hardware trying to keep up with all the additions.
their stuff only really works on the newest products, but sometimes not even then. see Wi-Fi issues.
all the others are fucked, no wifi at all, ethernet does not work, performance slow down (especially on iphones), battery drain... etc.
Also it seems like they don't do any testing lately.
http://www.eweek.com/mobile/ios-update-causes-new-bricking-problem-this-time-with-ipad-pro-9.7.html
http://www.engadget.com/2016/05/20/apple-ipad-pro-ios-update-pulled/
>what bug? i am intrigued?
http://thenextweb.com/shareables/2013/02/02/typing-these-eight-characters-will-crash-almost-any-application-on-your-mac/
>you mean the one on ios that breaks the os?
http://9to5mac.com/2016/02/15/apple-acknowledges-iphone-bricking-1970-date-bug-says-upcoming-software-update-will-fix/
>every major os has them
yeah but apple is leading. and also leading in not fixing them, or not fixing them fully.
https://www.cvedetails.com/top-50-products.php?year=2015
>what? it works perfectly.
what? itunes is literally the worst software apple ever produced.
https://blog.vellumatlanta.com/2016/05/04/apple-stole-my-music-no-seriously/
http://www.imore.com/apple-confirms-reports-potential-bug-itunes-safeguard-patch-expected-next-week
http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/07/apple-music-is-unintentionally-deleting-users-itunes-libraries/
>the software is known to be high end for movie production, go check it out in hollywood. literally nothing wrong with it.
is that why most hollywood production companies switched to avid or lightworks, since apple fucked it up with the updates.
>>54959332
>HTC
>Samsung
there is your problem. BE thankful that you even got an update with these shitty OEMS. HTC and Samsung both bloat the shit out of Android, it isn't even android anymore. more like some fucking abortion of it.
if you don't get their flagship you are fucked even more.
>>54959558
>running two program instead of one for one and the same thing will magically make it less resource heavy for one of the two.
wow you are some special kind of retard
>>54955094
How did you fixed the webm format on Edge?
This thing doesn't work for me:
https://tools.google.com/dlpage/webmmf/
>>54959586
>wifi issues
i have an early 2013 rmbp and a 2010 mbp i use for server stuff from now and then, neither have ever had wifi issues, i guess its just some devices?
>itunes bug
thats only one bug, had to do with apple music, didn't experience myself, was very rare. the bug is already fixed. yes its annoying as hell, but if you dont keep backups then that's your own fault. time machine got my back.
>>54959613
they are both in safari, no second program. its a plugin to run it in a seperate tab, only loads in when prompted or needed.
>>54959515
Please explain for those of us not in-the-know anon
>>54959586
>their stuff only really works on the newest products
Bullshit. They're still supporting the iPhone 4S in iOS9.
>Also it seems like they don't do any testing lately.
The yearly release cycle is retarded, yea. It's all been half baked ever since.
>>54954866
Firefox.
Done.
>>54958332
>Safari 4
wow
>>54959712
>Bullshit. They're still supporting the iPhone 4S in iOS9.
True, but it runs like total shit and is literally unusable as daily driver.
The Performance and battery life went better with every update on my nexus.
and i can support myself with updates if google stops to officialy support my phone.
>>54959558
>check power/resource consumption of safari vs chrome
why? I'm not running this in a celeron made in 2005 with 1gb of ram, honestly don't give a fuck about the amount of ram that a cat/porn webm could take.
hell, even in my shittiest laptop I don't get more than 2.5gbs of ram used in general while shitposting.
>>54959893
You have a 5 year old Nexus?
>>54954853
>Lirik
>on my 16GB ram rmbp
>takes 3 secs to close a tab
>>54960123
How do I reproduce this?
>>54959893
>True, but it runs like total shit
No it doesn't.
>The Performance and battery life went better with every update on my nexus.
Opposite of my friend who swears by those shits. He upgrades every couple of years because updates fuck his shit up.
>and i can support myself with updates
????
>>54959515
>>54959695
I'm still waiting.
>>54960261
You gon die waiting.
>>54960123
> things that never happen
Mac's can't right click, and Safari is expensive. Chrome feeds my kids, and protects my wife's honour whilst I'm away. Google would never hurt me, Google loves me. Finder burnt down my shed once, fucking Apple.
The worst. It's the new IE. Holding back all the progress.
Literally the only browser with no interest in service workers, houdini and web components, which are the most important new technologies we have.
Also damn bugged. Especially the IOS version is fucked up.
>>54960934
For the sake of argument, ES6 compatibility was completed in Webkit before any other major browser.
https://kangax.github.io/compat-table/es6/
> most important new technologies
Not even fully spec'd
>>54961025
Custom Elements & Shadow Dom V1 are done.
>No support for WebP
into the trash it goes
test
>>54961038
https://webkit.org/status/?#feature-custom-elements
https://webkit.org/status/?#feature-shadow-dom
>>54961173
Post evidence of Apple working on the future of the web and the army of naysayers goes silent.
>>54954823
That's a strange way to spell worst.
https://nolanlawson.com/2015/06/30/safari-is-the-new-ie/
