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Did you fall for the itx meme?
I'm downsizing my computer, and I was looking into using this bad boy.
Under 12 liters, pretty good.
Anyways, share your itx builds and experiences itt.
Oh, and do we know what the exact length of the rx480 will be? I can't find it anywhere.
>>54927379
I really like mini ITX. And have always been interested in small form factor.
>>54927379
That case looks pretty radical.
I am one of those really hyped for the A4-SFX.
>>54927379
The only problem i can see with that is no space at all for a decent heatsink... you either have to get one of those expensive top blow ones that wont let you fit the first 2 slots of ram in, or use the shitty stock cooler.
Might be able to fit a clc in there, which is probably the best option.
>>54927379
Just build it into the case of a 3rd-hand goodwill microwave.
>>54927997
>$200+
>>54927379
Now that shit is kawaii, nigga
>>54927379
>Did you fall for the itx meme?
I would,but fuck no that case is ugly.
Fortunately I have a original Xbox case in which I could build one.
>>54928143
Only someone without any knowledge of manufacturing costs would say that.
Considering that it is not in anyway in mass production, special equipment costs a lot to get manufactured.
Just look at simple parts for machine building.
People have a twisted idea of how the price is set for things. Since we have been too accustomed to the very cheap production facilities in the East.
(The case is supposed to be made by Lian Li, so the price is high per default.)
>>54928289
Nobody here cares actually. They don't want to be caught buying $5 of aluminum for 230 euro despite the reality.
>>54927379
yes and I regretted it, though that might have just been because I used an AIO (fractal kelvin s24)
they're still cramped as fuck and you have to manage a lot of heat and noise in a very small space
I switched to a define r5 and haven't looked back
How many case fans do I need in an ITX build to prevent thermal throttling of an aircooled overclocked 980 Ti and 6700k? Is 120mm intake and 120mm exhaust enough? They are Gentle Typhoon 1850 rpm fans.
Got a desktop PC in this case, though I typically use my laptop hooked to the same monitor and keyboard/mouse.
It's pretty rad, although the cables from the PSU interfere with long GPUs and I was really lucky I got a modular one with all connectors at the very bottom.
Why do ITX cases never have dust filters?
>>54928817
I dunno, very few ATX/mATX ones do. But you can always install your own.
>>54927997
No, my builds require a decent cpu cooler.
>no dust filters
>cramped as fuck
>noisy
>a box the size of that silverstone ain't really "compact" now is it?
iTX is a total meme. Unless you're an enthusiast who can put together a decent custom loop, itx should be avoided.
>>54928817
>never
Never say never.
>>54927379
I'll be gutting a DVD player when Bristol Ridge hits the market. The heatsink will be difficult but the DC/DC PSU should be easy.
>>54929157
You can now have quad core processors that stay under 50W without clocks going to shit.
>>54928817
corsair 250d has dust filters on all intakes including power supply intake
>>54929229
>>no dust filters
See >>54929255
>>cramped as fuck
Yes, small size comes at the premium of size. Shocking, isn't it?
>>noisy
You what? Since when did physical size become directly related to volume?
>>a box the size of that silverstone ain't really "compact" now is it?
Yes, because the silvestone case in the OP is the only ITX case out there. Even if we're ignoring the other tiny cases in this thread, that case is not exactly large. It would easily fit in a TV bench without being obtrusive if it weren't for the absolutely horrendous shade of pink.
>>54929229
>no dust filters
easily solved, also dust is not a problem if you think about the airflow and don't live in a sty
>cramped as fuck
you mean space efficient
>noisy
if you're a retard, any case will be noisy
>a box the size of that silverstone ain't really "compact" now is it?
it's half the volume of an average atx case
>>54927379
fucking silverstone chinks make an all pink one but making an all white one is too much of a challenge.
>no dust filters
no one is forcing you to buy shit cases.
>>54929376
There is a white one.
I bought one for my NAS/home server and regretted it, for the lack of ability to keep adding more hard drives. Was also a pain to work on and a pain to cool. Replaced with a full-ATX system.
>>54929583
the front is black.
>>54929338
The massive side grille is an intake for the graphics card and I don't see a filter on it.
>>54928817
>never
If YOURS doesn't have dust filters you can probably buy some in a store near you.
>>54929623
The horror
>>54929623
paint it
>>54929255
I love the look of the 202 but is there any worry with like actually decent parts? they all seem to have access to the outside air, but the psu's only 450.
>>54930043
>the psu's only 450
I don't think you can put a 150W CPU + 250W GPU in there without causing a fire, so 450 should be enough.
>>54930043
>but the psu's only 450.
You can buy it without a PSU for $30 cheaper and get a PSU of your choosing. It's an SFX PSU slot, the highest rated of which that I've seen is good for 650 watts. I also think you're greatly underestimating how much 450 watts is.
>>54929255
I love the design of this case but I wish there was a higher end version that ditched the chintzy looking plastic, supported standard ATX PSUs, and was wider and more shallow so it'd fit underneath a monitor without protruding into the desk space in front too much. Something with the shape of this render maybe.
>>54930233
oh I definitely am. but I was thinking of a 390 and 6500 and the combo of heat and ventilation and psu were worrying me.
>>54930277
You have very specific tastes. You'd probably be better served by making your own. It's a box, so it's not all that difficult, you'd just need to buy a few switches, standoffs and pieces of mesh.
>>54930514
The ventilation doesn't look like it would be a problem. The GPU goes in its own separate compartment with an air vent and the possibility of fans. Surely a 6500 wouldn't be that hard to cool?
I was very interested in the case until I decided to go with my idea to gut a DVD player. I barely use Kaveri to its full potential, I doubt Bristol Ridge would hamper me.
Should I give up on mITX if I value function over form?
>>54929345
>Since when did physical size become directly related to volume?
Ummmm length * width * height = volume you plebian
>>54930703
You can find form-over-function cases of any format. ITX is mostly about compactness when you don't need expansion cards or 10 hard drives.
>>54930731
But I still need to cool my overclocked cpu and gpu.
>>54930716
>SFX PSU plus a separate laptop PSU that's also inside the case
>>54930716
>I am deliberately ignoring context so I can misinterpret the meaning of a word to appear stupid
Well done you mucous eating oaf.
>>54930703
Depends on what your function is. Will you be running a very minimal system with at most a GPU and a limited number of storage drive? Then mITX is function over form, as opposed to getting a mostly empty full tower EATX case.
>>54930758
ITX is just about the lack of expansion slots on the mainboard. You can find bigger ITX cases that can handle overclocked stuff.
>>54930761
Not him but where do you see the laptop PSU? I see nothing of the sort.
>>54927379
what's the smallest atx case available? i don't want to drop sli/crossfire
>>54930761
>What is the display psu
>>54930663
>You have very specific tastes. You'd probably be better served by making your own. It's a box, so it's not all that difficult, you'd just need to buy a few switches, standoffs and pieces of mesh.
You're probably right, but making it look good would require tools, skills, and experience that I most certainly do not have. Living in an apartment in the city kinda precludes me from some types of tools, too. Still worth a shot I guess, though.
>>54930810
>>54930815
Can't they power the display from the same PSU as everything else, like in every all-in-one prebuilt? The power required for it should be peanuts compared to that 1080.
>>54930835
>>54930835
holy shit desu familia
>>54930823
>but making it look good would require tools, skills, and experience that I most certainly do not have
You are capable of cutting in a straight line, are you not? You could very easily make this from cardboard, give it a coat of paint when you're done to hide the fact and make the air vents of steel mesh that you can cut with some robust scissors.
>>54930835
I'm going blind, sorry anon. As the other anon pointed out, probably powers the display.
>>54930869
Displays can require some funny voltages. I've seen a pretty big range between 8V and 36V. Dell used to bundle monitors with their towers that would take 12V from the back of the PSU with an external cable but I'm not aware of anyone else doing anything similar.
There are probably EE reasons for it as well, large power draw causing fluctuations in the supply leading to poor quality picture and so on and so forth.
>>54930835
>>54930835
i wonder what kind of heat dissipation this thing has.
i mean it's no secret that display panels suffer in terms of longevity and color accuracy when too much heat is applied
>>54930987
>Displays can require some funny voltages.
There's nothing in a modern LCD that requires a funny voltage. Backlight can be made to work with pretty much any voltage above 3.3V, and controller chips are driven with low voltage through their own separate converters.
I guess they either couldn't get a SFX PSU with enough power output for everything, or they used pre-existing display circuitry with 19V input and couldn't be arsed to modify it.
>>54931058
There's probably a couple big fans on the rear cover.
>>54927997
Excellent layout!
>>54927379
I like it, but if only it were pinker
looks like an easy bake oven
>>54927379
that's kawaii as fuck senpai
>>54931123
>or they used pre-existing display circuitry with 19V input and couldn't be arsed to modify it.
My point exactly, they probably just grabbed an off the shelf part. There's also the possible concern of inconsistencies in the supply if shared with the rest of the components.
My dad wants a small build to convert videos and such. Nothing else. He's concerned about space and such.
So I decided I would buy him a mini ITX build with an i3 6100, 8gb of RAM and a 240gb SSD. Is this good?
>>54931052
>>54931216
Wouldn't he want a pretty beefy CPU if he's going to do a lot of re-encoding videos?
>>54931216
The i3 and the storage space might be lacklustre if he's going to be converting videos. Throw in an additional HDD an upgrade to the cheapest i5 because video converting is one of those cases where more cores are definitely better.
>>54928185
>Fortunately I have a original Xbox case in which I could build one.
>TFW no nano-ITX boards to build a Gamecube size PC with
>>54931273
If the video conversion software can make use of intel's quicksync, he wouldn't.
>>54931273
His budget is fairly limited, but I guess I could go farther. BTW he just wants more speed and he's been using a 10 year old dual core processor. His PC died there.
I'm looking at 350€ of so, maybe I could go cheaper on the SSD but I think an i5 6400 is a bit of a huge jump in price there.
>>54931313
Sure, if he's willing to give up quality.
Hey I want a slim itx build in like a node 202 or something but i also want a 6700k and gtx 1080 and overclock the shit out of them
Can it be done?
>>54931376
if you're deaf maybe
>itx case
>no milo ml07
>>54931376
From Silverstone similar cases are (pic related)+ml 08+rvz01+rvz02+(some fortress edition)
>>54931376
No a modern highend CPU and GPU have no business in an ITX case unless you are going full watercooling somehow.
>>54931488
GTX 970 and 6700K work just fine in my Node 304 with none of the fans at full speed.
I want my next build to be mITX but I would need a case that can fit a full water cooling loop.
Options?
>>54931654
>GTX 970
>high end
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hcSpSC8T0M&t=2
>>54931484
Accept no compromise
>>54930716
>seperate monitor psu when all it does is feed 12v to the inverter and 5v to the monitor electronics
power that fucker from a molex connector lol.
>>54931863
>support graphics card up to 13 inches
S-senpai, stop! It's too big!
>>54932000
>inverter
>5v electronics
Holy shit, we have a time traveler from 1995
>>54931488
What about in a box like 250D?
Im not doing mid size atx again that's fucking retarded
>>54932031
This is an "inverter" used for driving cfl tubes.
Most lcd monitors have a similar one, and most lcd monitors have a psu that outputs 12v and 5v. Even if the electronics of the monitor needed 3.3v, thats easy enough to pull from the computer's psu.
>>54932095
>cfl tubes
You really should consider going back to 1995
>>54932095
actually that miiiiiight be an audio amp.
Still, the monitor would not require any specilized power supply requirements. 12v, 5v, 3.3v can all be supplied by an atx psu in high amperage.
Better build a custom case that will be directly suited for the parts you plan on using.
Buy some aluminum sheets, good quality food or thick plastic or plexi
![Thermaltake%20Core%20V1%2010[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/dlCqbuh.jpg "Thermaltake%20Core%20V1%2010[1].jpg")
>>54927379
Fell for it and love it. Got this case and it's perfection.
>>54927379
This week on ITX or EasyBake
>>54932160
The one with the square front is nicer looking.
>>54932087
If I was doing an ITX build I'd get a AIO cooled gpu and 120mm CPU AIO cooler and call it a day. Only way to keep temps down without insane noise in a small case like that and none of the hassle of a full loop. If you find building and maintaining loops fun though go for it.
![main[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/k71RJiC.jpg "main[1].jpg")
>>54932198
The front is square anon-kun
>>54932273
I mean this one.
>>54932304
I hope they do a square version of the V21. My GPU is too long for this ones.
Always wanted to build a couple of these for stupid amounts of storage.
I have a Mini-ITX motherboard on a Full ATX Tower. I'm enjoying all the room anon.
>>54932414
>all the room
posts a picture of a hanger that is absolutely stuffed full of planes.
>>54932414
That's pretty dumb. ITX boards are more expensive usually.
>>54932406
That case has been tested to have bad hard disk ventilation.
>>54932452
I'm well aware, this board had a Cost of $400, I bought off eBay for $60 fully working, it's been two years now, no problems so far. Jackpot!
>>54932443
Hard disks anon, those are the Hard Disks.
Is there any non shitty CPU Cooler for Mini-ITX boards? I was even considering to CNC machine a Waterblock for the CPU.
>>54932551
Depends on your case not your board.
>>54932540
Really? It has room for two fans right next to the hard drives and one at the back.
>>54929665
Why don't you just go ahead and Google that case before you post about it friendo
>>54932599
I have a Full ATX case. >>54932414
Where can I find such Fan anon?
>>54932655
Noctua nh-d15
>>54932599
Jesus christ
>>54932599
WE HAVE TAKEOFF
>>54932599
>no third fan at the end
Triggered
I'd kind of like to get an ITX case that i can put my monitor on top of. And my monitor is heavy as fuck thanks to dell's stand mechanism
>>54932808
How about a case made from metal?
>>54932249
oh man what a pain in the ass
how about mATX then?
>>54932894
Most mATX cases with a single GPU will have plenty of slots for ventilation fans if you want to air cool or to install rads.
>>54930835
>speakers on the back
>>54931227
I have this with a custom loop. Almost no wasted/unnecessary space.
I plan on making my next build an ITX, assuming I can find a nice case with dust filters and shit that can fit a mid range GPU without having to cram shit in and worry about airflow.
>>54932623
Because the hard disk cages are fashioned such that they block almost all air from the fans. Check out the Lian Li mini-ITX with 10 hard disk cages instead. That one has decent airflow.
>>54932716
The graphics card wouldn't fit with the third fan.
>>54933337
No one needs that shit.
>>54933143
so you spent the money on a custom loop but only paid 60 bucks for a case, what the fuck nigger?
>>54933210
have you read the fucking thread, you daft faggot?
Since I travel a lot for work 3-4 days a week, I've started taking my monitor in my suitcase and mATX build in a gym bag. I have a SG09 case, but I think with my next build I will go with an ITX case.
Where would you start with a CPU and mobo if you were going ITX right now?
The case will be the tricky part as I'd want to reuse some of my parts, mainly my 170-180mm PSU. My SG09 barely fits it so I wonder if I'd have to go to a smaller PSU.
Is there an itx case that will fit a 295x2
>>54933642
Wanted to have more than one shitty slim rad. That case just seemed to fit everything well. Also it's a fucken shoe box, how could you justify paying more.
(only photo I got at the moment)
>>54934106
>parts outside case
oh boy
>>54934106
Where can I get a monitor with a glossy display? Is it an Acer?
>>54933830
mITX boards only have 1 PCIE slot.
>>54934208
That is a single card, anon.
>>54934239
My mistake, you could get an NZXT manta, that would easily fit your card and have space for both your radiator and another radiator for your cpu
>>54934188
I was a bit dubious as well but the EK rad and chassis have the same finish. Looks made for it.
>>54934200
Tell you the truth I don't know off the top of my head. Had it lying around broken somewhere when I sold ALL my last PC. Looking for a decent screen now.
>>54932304
>Doesn't come in white
Fug DDDDDDD:
>tfw you'll be dead before they invent mass-less computers rendering cases obsolete
I built an mITX last year for a media PC. I like it. I just put every movie or show onto a 2TB (soon to be 8TB) hard drive, and keep it hooked up to my TV at all times. It cost me bugger-all, and I can download new shows directly to it. It's pretty tiny and takes up almost no room, so I'm really happy with it.
I think it's cool that some people can build some pretty decent gayming rigs in such a small footprint, but I prefer more space to work with on those sorts of builds.
>>54927997
It's nice but 230 euros? Really? No thanks.
Which ITX case was it that has the profile of a briefcase and has a handle?
I think it was a Raven something.
>>54935663
the tard went to lian li to build the case. they over price the fuck out of everything they make.
i'm sure if he contacted jonsbo they would make it for less. maybe even silverstone would agree to make it. the thing is tiny so it's not like the cost of materials is high.
>>54935704
>the thing is tiny so it's not like the cost of materials is high.
Nah, I bet 50% of the cost goes into "R&D".
>>54935696
silverstone ml08 has it. there might be another one.
>>54935704
>it's not like the cost of materials is high
It's not, but material cost isn't what makes small-run cases expensive. It's the machine time and labor - all the cutting and bending - that does. Also specific to the DAN A4 is the cost of the included 3M PCI express riser cable, which is ~$70 by itself.
>>54935735
Well, it's close enough. Considering getting one because I need to move to between labs.
>>54935755
i'm aware of the price of the raiser, but he is still charging almost $200 for the case. he also said the high price is due to VAT being included for EU customers, so why the the fuck do i not get a discount as a US customer? i remember reading some shit about US customers getting discounted shipping due to not having to pay the VAT, but the shipping is almost the same price as for european countries.
>>54928801
What GPU do you use in it?
>>54935818
just found it on the kickstarter page.
>EU-based customers are required to pay the German 19% VAT tax. The tax is included in the overall case price and will not incur an additional increase.
>Customers outside of the EU will not pay the 19% German VAT, but may have to cover local taxes. To make reward tiers handling easier, the VAT tax will be cleared with shipping costs for those customers. Therefore, they can expect to pay much less in shipping charges.
yeah 20 euro to ship to the US vs 22 in the EU for a tiny fucking case. i'll stick with silverstone for my SFF needs.
My desktop computer is mini-itx in a m350 case. It is awesome and I love it but I think we need a smaller solution than mini-itx.
I would like to see low cost x86 solutions from intel with passively-cooled current gen BGA chips. No Atom garbage. I want this in a mini-STX form factor or smaller.
>>54935882
I think the closest you can get is one of those Xeon D boards.
>>54935818
>>54935845
He's shipping the cases from Germany, so US while US customers don't have to pay VAT, they do have to pay more for shipping, so it works out to about the same.
>>54935894
with the german VAT being 19% that would mean the price of the case pre-VAT is ~193. he is still charging an extra 20 euro to ship to the US. i somehow doubt it costs 57 euro total to ship a tiny case from europe to the US when i looked at mid towers shipped from britain costing about 40 USD to ship.
for 230 USD i would probably bite. for nearly 300 USD he can go fuck himself.
>>54927379
Buy a fucking laptop you retard.
If you don't need to move your computer around, a normal build would do just fine and if you want mobility/space a laptop would be the obvious choice.
What a fucking meme.
>>54935985
Business travel with my $700 build is pretty nice. A gaming laptop that can give a 390 or in a month a RX 480 level of performance would cost a shit ton more than that and I'd have now ability to upgrade as I see fit.
When I'm home it's stationary like any PC, but I can throw it in a gym bag and put my monitor in my suitcase when I need to drive out of town for business.
As much as I love huge desktops, I also love the thought of packing 8 cores, 32GB RAM, and 16TB drive space into a tiny little cube. I think mini ITX is going to be my next form factor
>>54928289
>bent sheet metal
>extremely expensive to manufacture
Ok.
Any opinions on the Fractal Define Design Nano S? I'm buying that for my first ITX build. Going with a i7-6700 and either a 480 or 1070. What do you /g/uys think?
Just finished building my own meme.
Used Xeon v3 for pennies and the AsRock x99 board in a Node 304 case. Bought the only available aftermarket cooler and I'm happy with it.
I'll soon get 6 HDDs and I'll just dump the thing in a close.
>>54938060
Lian Li is probably charging him $70-80 FOB for the case, excluding the 3M riser, which will add at least another $50-65. So his cost just for the physical product is somewhere between $120 and $145. That's before the freight shipping cost to Germany, unloading 1500+ cases, transporting them, and shipping them out to end customers, all of which will likely take several people at least a few days.
Pre-VAT and end-customer shipping, he's getting $193 per case, so subtracting the manufacturing cost he's looking at between $73 and $48 per case to cover everything I just mentioned, plus some profit. That's really not a lot, and if you want a sustainable business, you should aim for at least "keystone markup" which is 50% gross profit margin: https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/193986
>>54927379
Why do you need two USB ports on a microwave oven?
I love the Elite 110 build I did. It was for my mother for her home-business and it's perfect for her needs. Anyone who does a mid-ATX (or fucking full-ATX) for a 1 GPU/1 SSD/2 HHD build, is an idiot.
>>54929255
Gonna build my pfsense box in this
>>54927379
Yes, though I'm still waiting for my case to arrive. Should be here before the end of the week.
Then I need to pick a graphics card and another SSD.
>>54935882
nuc?
>>54930835
>stock intel fan
Is this shit real?
>>54941619
perfectly fine if you're not overclocking
>>54941644
I was thinking more about space it takes. There must be a lower profile cooler that does the job same if not better.
