>Windows
[ ] Unix
[x] Good graphics software
[x] Serviceable hardware
>Linux
[x] Unix
[ ] Good graphics software
[x] Serviceable hardware
>OS X
[x] Unix
[x] Good graphics software
[ ] Serviceable hardware
Why does it have to be like this, /g/?
>>54916739
You forgot to put the x on "It's fucking trash" under linux
You have 30 minutes to explain why 'Unix' is an asset. (pro-tip: you literally can't)
>Windows
[x] Unix
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_POSIX_subsystem
>>54916754
Simply ebin
>>54916739
>Linux
>Unix
>>54916769
or something more modern
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Subsystem_for_Linux
In any case, /g/ on suicide watch
>BSD
[x] Unix
[x] Good graphics software
[x] Serviceable hardware
>>54916769
>It's Unix because of a deprecated subsystem
>>54916769
POSIX and UNIX aren't the same thing, you retard. That UNIX shit they did was for NT and they stopped doing that over a decade ago.
>>54916739
You forgot drivers dickhead. Linux has no drivers and generic ones are too shit for non-autistic people.
>>54916739
>Good graphics software
Do you mean graphics hardware drivers or image manipulation software?
>>54916797
If you want to be a pedantic little faggot then Linux isn't Unix either.
>>54916804
>"Linux has no drivers" meme
>Install Win 7
>Nothing works right
>Can't connect to wi-fi
>Screen resolution won't go above 1024x800
>Install Arch through Architect
>Everything works from first boot
>>54916754
Get a load of this faggot.
>>54916814
Gnu/Linux is an implementation of the UNIX operating system. The windows bullshit is a subsystem.
Checkmate. Also, take immature shit like "faggot" to /b/ ;)
>>54916806
I assume OP is referencing the former
>>54916840
>Expecting out-of-the-box support for new hardware
>in a 7 years-old OS
>>54916840
Your manufacturer provides drivers for your specific model which you can download installers.
Windows 7 is deprecated. 8/10 update everything via Windows update. If you are on Windows you don't have to worry about drivers.
Go be a nigger somewhere else. I have used every major distribution of Linux, they are all garbage with idiotic UI.
>>54916814
I do, Linux is not.
>>54916857
>Gnu/Linux is an implementation of the UNIX operating system
>>54916865
Well, no arguement there. I still can't get the fucking Nvidia Optimus shit to work right for me.
Not being unix is a good thing.
>>54916895
Nuh uh
>>54916874
>Idiotic UI
You are too picky. Make your own UI or use the CLI. also, My drivers are in the kernel ootb.
Stop being so immature and using terms like "nigger" ro justify your choice of operating system.
>>54916754
you might as well put that under all of them and x it off
>>54916763
I use bash in my daily workflow and vim is my primary text editor. I am aware that I can use cygwin and such, but I am stuck with incompatibilities and weird workarounds comparable to the ones I have to use to get various software to work on Linux. OS X, even with all the problems that it has, does a better job at this.
>>54916914
>drivers in the kernel
Windows 8/10 can load 99% of devices on first boot including wifi and sound, something Linux fails to do on most systems.
>>54916739
>[x] Serviceable hardware
>Relevant point
>>54916955
>I'm a lazy nigger who can't be arsed to spend an hour learning Powershell
not an argument
>>54916874
When you first install Windows there are no wifi drivers, dipshit. How the fuck are you gonna download them?
>>54916964
It werks on my mums 3 PCs, my two laptops, and my friends PCs that I've converted.
Get Gud. Nobody i know has a windows partition.
>>54916739
>It's a "argue endlessly and fruitlessly over which OS is best" thread
>Not just accepting that no OS is best and that each has it's strengths and weaknesses
>Not understanding that having multiple competing OSes is good for everyone
>Not accepting that not everyone has the same taste as you, and that what works for one person might not for another
>>54916988
If you are using Windows 7 as your benchmark then you are beyond stupid.
>>54916990
>Nobody i know has a windows partition
Stop hanging out with unemployed people
>>54917001
>it's an autist not recognizing a shitposting thread
>>54917008
This, if you're gonna compare driver support you should use the latest version of the OS that's available.
>>54917001
Agree, except competing OSs are not good for everyone. If Linux had an equal use share to OSX/Windows, then you'd see a lot better software being released to support it
Also, just to dispel this driver bullshit, the Linux kernel started being more liberal with it's driver inclusions ages ago. Linux supports almost all compliant hardware now.
>>54917032
>Defending shitposting
It's like you don't want mature, inteligent discussion on this Peruvian Shoemaking board.
>>54917033
Latest Linux kernel has no driver problems
Everything just works
>>54916739
>macshit
>unix
Pick one.
>>54917056
You and I both know where to go for mature, intelligent discussion.
>>54916981
powershell sucks
>>54917078
It does everything bash does.
OP is a philosopher and a cool
>>54917057
>Update Arch to Linux 4.6 bleeding edge
>Bootloader fucks up, Windows partition disappears
>Can't login to my account, stuck in infinite loop
I had to spend several hours reinstalling Windows as even startup repair disc could not undo the damage of Linux on my HDD.
Good riddance.
>>54917073
http://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/brand3612.htm
>>54917073
>you
>clinically retarded
pick both
>>54917075
>Implying that place is intelligent or mature
>>54917008
They're all employed. One guy uses libreoffice and the rest don't have tech jobs.
Checkmate again. Not everyone has a tech job.
>>54916914
Man fuck you nigga.
I installed i3 and what the fuck? I have to write the config myself to do anything a normal computer does out of the box? I wanted to try your stupid piece of shit meme software and it is a pile of hacks that I have to scavenge the internet for just to get it to a sorta useable state.
Where the fuck is my compositing? Where the fuck is my lock shortcut? Where the fuck is my language switching? Where the fuck are my volume buttons? Why the fuck is the clock updating once per 5 seconds? Why the fuck do I have to open a terminal to put the machine to sleep?
Sure, go ahead and fucking tell me that i3 is hurdd durr minimalism do-it-yourself whatever, but then name a tiling wm that isn't like that?
Let's go ahead and shit on anything that normal people use and circlejerk about bullshit that only works to take a screenshot of me watching anime in a meme video player (actually it only works for just the screenshot because if you try to set up compositing it will make mpv skip frames and tear), not realizing that it is incompatible with anything a real human may want to do on a computer and falls apart once you try to do something a 5 year old low-end Android phone does without an issue.
I'm honestly more enjoying hanging out with code artisans who write meme JavaScript frameworks because they are at least a couple of levels closer to the real world than this autismfest.
>>54916964
You're literally just lying, though. What is the point?
>>54917088
Not sure what your user error has to do with drivers kiddo
>>54917001
>>Not just accepting that no OS is best and that each has it's strengths and weaknesses
this meme was actually never good so fuck off please
>>54917107
Install gnome.
>>54917109
>>54917114
>>54917101
>>54917057
Grow up and get a job. Watching anime all day on your riced up Loonix shitbox is not a way to live.
>>54917073
I wish it were copland.
>>54917075
>implying there's a place on the internet where mature and intelligent discussion exists
>>54917088
>Update Arch to Linux 4.6 bleeding edge
>Bootloader still works fine
>Can boot into Windows perfectly well
>>54917057
And so does Windows 10.
Let's try the reverse logic:
>have a 2012 computer
>try to install a 2008 linux live cd
>nothing works properly without having to patch the kernel
>>54917085
really? sorry I actually don't know much about powershell
does it support regex and stuff? also are there anything like man pages or gnu info pages? what terminal text editors are there?
>>54917138
Neogaf
>>54917126
I did, it's good, but autists complain when I talk about it.
>>54917088
but it's Windows that is the special snow flake with its proprietary software not getting along with other stuff...
>>54917085
False. Also, you can get bash in Windows. Bash is not the issue, it's the Windows system arch vs the Unix arch. Unix is just more sensible, and bash capitalises on that sensibility, giving you a really simple clean CLI.
>>54917121
So you believe there's an OS that's objectively the best for every human being on Earth?
>>54916783
[X] It's fucking trash
>>54917170
Ubuntu Linux
>>54917126
>No taskbar
>Any time mouse pointer goes top right, my screen disappears
>Can't modify shit without gnome tweak tool
>The fucking global bar requires its own shell skin
>Fucking rounded edges on the side
>Retarded UI that combines 4 elements in one sub-menu
No
>>54917147
>does it support regex and stuff? also are there anything like man pages or gnu info pages?
yes to both
>what terminal text editors are there?
pic rel
>>54917170
Sort of. Not exactly. GNU is probably the closest we have to one, but honestly, rather than believing there is one best, I believe there is one worst, and it is Windows. The unix-like operating systems have a ton in common so it's mostly just nitpicking which of them is best, unless you start discussing free software and such.
>>54917179
Mint has pretty much the same software minus the creepy adware. And aesthetically saner defaults.
>>54917187
well, fug :DD
>>54917187
>pic rel
am I being bullied or did you fuck up
>>54917179
>>54916763
Bash is literally the only reason why I use Ubuntu at all. In fact Microsoft's decision to bring in native Bash into Windows makes total sense. Now you might as well check the "Unix" box for Windows and there's literally no good reason to use Mac or Ubuntu.
>>54917203
ah cool dude, I fucking love vim
good for you
I don't think I will ever go back to Windows, nor would I wish it on my friends, but I'm happy for you, at least.
>>54917208
Not him [I'm >>54917192 ], but Ubuntu isn't that bad...
>>54917107
i3 is for speed. It's for running on shit hardware and sparing as much RAM as possible while also having a workable WM. Most of your complains are about DE things, not WM things. You just need to install some tray icons for that shit.
>>54916739
>Windows
>[ ] Unix
>[x] Good graphics software
>[x] Serviceable hardware
[x] Plays my pedophile chinese cartoon visual novels.
>Linux
>[x] Unix
>[ ] Good graphics software
>[x] Serviceable hardware
[x] Too retarded to understand how to do what I do on Windows on it.
>OS X
>[x] Unix
>[x] Good graphics software
>[ ] Serviceable hardware
[x] Look like every other kid in the cs program at my school.
The choice is clear, my friends.
>>54917307
>Windows
>[x] Best OS ever made
>[x] Plays gaymes and shit
>[x] Proprietary drivers
>[x] Most widely supported system in the world
>[x] Biggest library of software available, 99% Windows exclusive
>[x] Works with most hardware systems, unlike Linux and OSX
>>54917334
>unironically thinking proprietary anything is actually a good thing.
>>>/out/
>>54917385
The best software and drivers are proprietary closed source. There is no debate here.
>>54917385
Most people, I think, don't even know what proprietary software is, so why should they care about it?
>>54917334
>>[x] Best OS ever made
>>54917188
The worst operating system ever made is unix, and so by default, windows is the best, because it's essentially the only operating system you can use that isn't unix.
>Linux
[x] Just werks on my machine
>>54917134
>get a job
>sysadmin
>use gnu/linux on the daily
>get a job
>be retail / legal / tech support / anything
>use gnu/linux on the daily
Name one job [one] that requires winshit. One.
>>54916739
Windows literally includes Ubuntu in the Windows Store.
>>54917434
Market share and user base don't lie. When you need assurance that your system and applications will work, you use Windows.
Desktop threads were full of VM posers, they all use Windows when they need to get shit done.
>>54917452
>Name one job [one] that requires winshit. One.
Windows developer
>>54917464
>judging how good something is based on marketshare
You're even more retarded than I thought. Windows is normally my example for why you can't do such a thing.
>>54917452
Finance
Economics
Marketing
Engineering
Design
Game development
Now what dickhead?
>>54917452
Most organizations use in house intranet with custom software that primarily runs on XP or 7 systems. Same is true for the university from where I graduated. Despite have Google docs, all of us were given free subscription to Office 365 which is how we create and exchange docs.
Last I checked Linux can't run Office 365 or any custom applications written for Windows.
>>54917490
>Finance
Fair enough.
>Economics
Fair enough.
>Marketing
Not true.
>Enginerring
Fair enough.
>Design
Depends on what you're designing.
>Game Development
>>>/v/
>>54917450
Does it really though? The main purpose of an operating system is running applications, which is a bit difficult to do when there are none to run.
>>54917452
Adobe After Effects
>>54917529
Forget Linux, even OSX is deprecated. We had a dumb bitch in our office who bought a Macbook Air. She could not connect to our office WiFi or access any of the printers. Apparently OSX versions matters and can only work with specific older printers.
Let's face it, in practical life outside of CS, every industry runs Windows on their front end systems.
>>54917452
Professional league of legends player.
>>54916754
Get the fuck off of /g/ you tech illiterate swine.
>>54917436
you're just being contrarian though, you probably don't even believe what you said
>>54917520
>Last I checked Linux can't run Office 365 or any custom applications written for Windows.
You should probably check again.
>>54917571
kek
>>54917579
that picture is the equivalent of people posting those irc conversartions with moot and mods.
completely baseless. but naturally all of the /g/ tools will post it, and anyone who dares to grow a brain and question it will be called a shill
>>54917571
Wine
>>54916754
fucking summer
>>54917752
I was memeing, but would that actually work? Has anyone tried this?
>>54917648
No, actually, I can't stand unix. I use windows for the specific reason that it is the only thing I can use with modern applications that isn't unix.
I would rather use anything than unix.
>>54916754
Here's your (You), fresh out of the oven.
>>54917752
>>54917771
They're not going to install Wine for you at tournaments
>>54916981
>Powershell
>power
>shell
neither of these words accurately describes powershell.
>>54916889
distro?
>>54916739
>>Linux
>[x] Unix
>[x ] Good graphics software
>[x] Serviceable hardware
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_proprietary_software_for_Linux#Graphics
Not all graphics software is made by Adobe.
Also:
http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1148854-pixar-uses-red-hat-linux/
http://www.linuxjournal.com/magazine/emphasisthe-day-earth-stood-stillemphasis
>>54917976
Arch. Also tried Xubuntu, though, and still couldn't get it to work.
>>54917997
card?
>>54916739
>Windows
[ ] Unix
[x] Suitable for client
[x] Suitable for server (in some situations)
>Linux
[x] Unix
[ ] Suitable for client
[x] Suitable for server
>OS X
[x] Unix
[x] Suitable for client
[x] Suitable for server
>BSD
[x] Unix
[ ] Suitable for client
[x] Suitable for server
The right tool for the right job. Stop trying to shoehorn your favorite OS into roles it sucks at because of your feelings.
>>54918017
>Stop trying to shoehorn your favorite OS into roles it sucks at
literally the point of the thread anon
>>54918007
NVS 4200m.
>>54918017
>le ebin windows server meme
>>54918017
>Stop trying to shoehorn your favorite OS into roles it sucks at because of your feelings.
People say that about every OS.
>>54917752
>Wine
Why run software natively when you can run it on top of a compatibility layer that makes it run like shit. All your friends will think you're a l33t hacker this way.
>>54917334
>Works with most hardware systems, unlike Linux
>>54916754
Linux (the kernel) is awesome, but userland and GNU is a complete shit.
>>54918037
>Active Directory
>Group Policy
>Exchange
There are open source alternatives but they're shit. What is the value to the business in spending weeks of trying to set up samba 4 as a domain controller when you can spend $200 and get it set up in 20 minutes?
>>54918035
Let's check if it's recognizedlspci -k | grep -A 2 -E "(VGA|3D)"
nvc 4200m looks compatable with the nvidia package, so install that.
try to install bumblebee as well
follow instructions on wiki
>>54918076
The kernel is fucking garbage too. Changes from womyn developers are committed because no one wants to look like they don't want women to program.
>>54918076
Post more knife-wielding birds please
>>54918122
I have just this.
>>54918099
It's showing up compatible. I've already tried bumbleebee, and have gotten it to sort of work, but never consistantly. It's not a huge deal in any case, I don't do any gay men on this asside from some SNES games and Doom. Appreciate the help, though.
>>54918099
>follow instructions on wiki
Ah yes the open source "community support" that consists of "read the volunteer written documentation that hasn't been updated for 3 years"
The next step is to berate this user for following exactly what the documentation says. It isn't your fault they aren't a part of the inner circle jerk that knows about undocumented changes.
>>54918100
Any examples of this?
>>54918143
make sure you are in the bumblebee group and you prefix the commands withoptirun <command>
>>54918100
[citation needed]
>>54918169
also make sure the bumblebeed service is runningsystemctl status bumblebeed.service
>>54918153
documentation has failed for me when Google failed me for a bunch of ubuntu users having the same problems. At least you can do is try.
>>54918169
>>54918193
Yeah, I've done both of those.
Just ran glxspheres, though and seems to work. Maybe it's an issue with Steam. Thanks again.
>>54918242
realized glxgears don't show card. Tryoptirun glxspheres<32|64>
depending on 32 or 64 bit.
game?
steam is weird when it comes to optirun.
try to follow https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Steam#Tips_and_tricks
>>54916785
>your yfw face when Unix is deprecated
>>54918100
Say what you want about Linux, at least it's not doing stupid shit like handing scrollbars and font rendering
>>54918293
Realistically the only truly meritocratically developed OS out there is OpenBSD.
>>54918363
Feels good to be masterrace
>>54918363
>>54918393
Seems like there's a lot more BSD shilling on here than usual. Why would I want to use an OS that makes Linux look mainstream.
>>54917096
>mactoddler thinks a piece of paper magically changes apple skiddie spaghetti code into unix code
lmao
>>54918444
Nobody's shilling anything you dumbass, we're just discussing technology on a technology board.
>>54916754
based
>>54918444
Because it nets you exponentially more hipster credit if you use an OS that makes an OS that makes a hipster OS (like OS X) look mainstream look mainstream.
I think I did that right.
>>54918444
Its hip to get fucked in the ass by corporations but still stay out of the mainstream by not writing proprietary software, so the logical thing to do is to jump out of GNU to the BSD world where people will make money out of your code without asking you a thing.
>>54918508
Oh look, another idiot that doesn't understand the BSD license
>>54918444
I don't know what matters to you, but to me what matters is technical prowess and practicality. OpenBSD quite frankly just werx for me. The defaults are sane and everything just behaves the way it should, and it has all the capabilities I need for my personal and business needs. Almost all the servers I deploy run OpenBSD.
Again, I don't know what matters to you, but if you care about something being or looking "mainstream" or not, then by the looks of it it seems like you're not concerned about objective and measurable criteria, but what other people think.
>>54918531
>what is Apple's history with BSD licenced software
BSD-fags, everyone. I think the word "cuck" would suit this situation so very well its incredible.
>>54918508
>more restrictions means more freedom
GNU logic, ladies and gentlemen!
>>54918553
BSD is like plopping source code on the table and saying look what I made. You can use it if you want, or not. I don't really care either way. Just give me credit if you do.
Apple is simply a company that decided to use it.
>le epik cuck meme
We need the filter back
>>54918553
Seems like you don't know the history.
Mac OS X isn't "FreeBSD with a cute GUI". You are very uninformed and speaking out of your own ass. Only the userland and the libc on Mac OS X derive from FreeBSD code. Most of the operating system has nothing to do with FreeBSD.
Apple did contribute and still contributes a LOT of code back to FreeBSD, including a whole C++ stack and compiler.
>>54917920
they should have named it "dystopian pseudo-VB.net REPL"
>>54917977
damn skippy. linux can do basically any "graphical" task. the only thing windows is good for is the CAD shit
>>54918483
Anons is it really going to be like this for the whole summer
>>54918508
>the BSD world where people will make money out of your code without asking you a thing
I wonder why this argument only comes up when we're discussing Linux vs. BSD, not when we're discussing other software, given that most free software out there is BSD-style licensed. Oh wait, I know, it's because there's no technical argument against BSD and in favour of Linux.
Stay rectally shattered, Lincuck.
>>54918600
They give only enough to say "HEY LOOK WE'RE CONTRIBUTING TO OPEN SOURCE"
>>54918627
I'm not defending Apple, I'm just dissipating FUD.
>>54918627
So what if they do? They don't need to give shit
>>54918644
I didn't say they did. I'm saying they're doing it strictly as a marketing move to make it look like "HEY WERE CONTRIBUTING" while actually not doing a whole lot. It's deceptive. Same way Microsoft is force upgrading users to pad its adoption numbers. It's not technically lying but it's dishonest.
>yfw lintards have to pay for something BSD offers for free
LOL who are the cucks?
>>54918017
>OS X
>[x] Suitable for server
>The right tool for the right job.
Is that why Apple stopped selling xserve machines (the right tool to run OS X server) five years ago?
>>54918929
It's not like an Apple shill could leave some box unchecked, it has to look perfect in every way. At least the other systems generously received more than one box checked.
>>54917471
I bet they compile using Linux
>>54917539
Name applications that a normal user wouldn't be able to find on linux
>>54919527
Game Maker: Studio :^)
>>54917977
That is for the rendering machines.
Modellers and animators still use windows and os x.
>>54919527
Microsoft Edge
>>54916739
Linux is not UNIX certified. Linux also has nothing to do with serviceable hardware. Unless you mean driver "less driver problems". In which case it's the worst. You should consider the shells as well.
Linux/osx have a better shell, as an environment. Windows has a far better shell, as a scripting language tightly integrated with the os. Shame its not intended to run cli-focused programs like tmux or irc. Or at least nobody's done it.
>>54920050
>Linux is not UNIX certified
Depends on the distro
>>54916739
Linux is not Unix
>>54919527
AutoCAD.
Illustrator. Any professional modelling suite program. Excel, and other macro-enabled spreadsheet interfaces to declarative number-crunching and logic suitable for export to graphs, histograms and other formats for professional analysis. Pretty much any professional financial or accounting software. That stuff doesn't even tier l get ported to OSX.
Windows is free like sex is free for a rape victim.
>>54916754
fuck you you fucking nigger faggot linux is the god damn best
>>54916783
what graphics software does BSD have that linux doesn't?
>>54917307
>Calling a OS/Software retarded
it's like calling an horse retarded because youu don't want to do what the fuck you want. It's just means that you are retarded.
>>54917771
yes it does
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/League_of_Legends
(works on every Linux distro, not only on Arch)
>>54916754
Lol, this
>>54916867
>>54916874
> Windows 7 is deprecated
summerfaggots won't probably know what such a big word means.
Windows 7 is fucking far from deprecated. It's in use everywhere. Every fucking piece of software which is aimed for windows pretty much has to work on 7, apart from ms' own pieces of shit, but that's a different matter
>>54916814
Linux is not unix. It's not even unix compatible. So fucking what, unix haven't been used anywhere in the last 20 years.
Unix compatibility is not a positive thing in a modern os. It's weight, bloat, unneeded.
>>54919760
He said applications, not apps.
>>54917180
works for me familia
>>54917520
Do you have even the slightest clue what Office365 is? Are you somehow unaware that it can run completely in your browser?
