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Blue, Black, Green, Red, Purple.
Which one and why, /g/?
>>54818846
RED, if not RE4s.
Get the ones that are the same color as your wife
It says right on the drives in your image.
Blue for storage
Black is faster than Blue and used for OS/software
Green for backups
Red for RAID
Purple for surveillance cameras
>>54818846
RE
Reliability.
>WD
Not even once.
>blue
Crappy OEM
>black
runs hot and loud
>green
99% powered down cold storage
>red
vibration tolerance
>purple
24/7 red/write
>>54818868
lmao
>>54818868
White?
>>54818960
>HGST (A Western Digital Company)
>lowest fail rate out of them all
?
>>54818960
Why does WD have 5% the sample size of seagate and HGST?
Is toshiba literally a single order for some reason toshiba fanboy sysadmin?
>>54819029
because they operated as an independent company until very recently
interestingly all of wd's senior management have been replaced with hgst people
>>54818960
>>54819036
Blackblaze even said that the sample sizes for WD aren't enough to draw any conclusions.
>>54818927
What if I want to store lots of software, movies, etc? Is blue still the way to go? I heard black can get quite loud, not sure about that.
>he can't afford SAS
>>54818960
Literally every of these graphs says something different.
Any other good brands though?
>>54819126
The question isn't if you want to store data, but where, how quiet you want it to be, how much power you want it to draw, and how fast you need to retrieve it.
>>54819142
SAS won't benefit you.
>>54819161
where doesn't matter, but preferrably quiet, fast, and reliable. (and not as expensive as SSDs are at the moment)
>>54819163
Enterprise drives are more durable, no?
>>54819235
Set up a FreeNAS box with some HDDs in RaidZ1/2
>>54819261
Sounds good, but which HDDs should I take?
>>54818846
HGST Ultrastar
>>54818868
Blacks and Blues, got it.
>>54818960
Why did Seagate improve so much?
seagate desktop for backup or storage
hgst or wd black for normal storage
you can use wd black or hgst for backup if your rich tho
>>54819036
The chart is retarded fud. They compare hard disks meant for different tasks, like NAS drive to general consumer disks.
>>54819321
Doesn't matter too much. Just get a drive that is made for 24/7 raid use. Theire firmware doensnt try to correct read errors that would cause trouble in RAID.
I use 5 WD Red 4TB in Raid Z1
>>54818960
I have a 256gb seagate that's almost 10 years old, it just werks.
>>54819257
Yes, but that has nothing to do with SAS. SAS is used because it is full duplex.
>>54819457
Yeah because manufacturing quality doesn't change over time or anything
Just look at HGST, their old drives are known as Deathstars and with good reason, today they make the best HDDs money can buy.
>>54818846
black for performance
red for the 5 year warranty
otherwise just buy an HGST
>>54818960
And hitachi?
Its a shame they sold to wd, if only they had actually good marketing and availability
>>54819584
>Its a shame they sold to wd
makes perfect sense why, it's a shitty business to be in
high volume, low margin commodity products
>>54819584
>Hitachi
That's what HGST is.
>>54819513
Enterprise drives are durable because they're meant to be accessed 24/7 and still last a reasonable time.
SAS is used because it scales way better than SATA.
>>54818927
Black is also more reliable.
Blues above 1TB are rebranded greens.
>>54818960
The 2016 ones are Reds. The earlier ones may be too.
Blackblaze isn't a good source since reds aren't supposed to be used in a high vibration enterprise environments.
Either Black or Re.
Don't cheap out
HGST is also good.
>>54819561
>red for the 5 year warranty
You mean Red Pro.
And Black has a 5 year warranty too.
Fucking moron.
>>54819652
Thank you for saying exactly what I said but with different words.
>>54818846
green = earth power
red = fire power
blue = water power
Anybody else remember when hitachi used to have the highest failrate years ago?
>>54818977
>red
>vibration tolerance
>>54819703
SAS drives are just another way of saying enterprise drives, because no serious enterprise would use SATA.
SAS being full duplex as opposed to SATA has nothing to do with why it's the preferred protocol.
>>54819672
>Blackblaze isn't a good source since reds aren't supposed to be used in a high vibration enterprise environments.
Stop trying to defend shitty drives
>>54819843
It's not a good source because who seriously buys Reds for anything other than NAS?
Is the noise with Blacks as bad as some people say?
>>54819996
Yes
>>54819257
Sure, because they are enterprise drives, not because they are SAS. Enterprise SATA drives exist.
>>54819770
>SAS drives are just another way of saying enterprise drives,
No, it isn't.
>SAS being full duplex as opposed to SATA has nothing to do with why it's the preferred protocol.
It's a huge reason along with I/O multipathing for expansion/failover. Interface technology has nothing to do with individual drive reliability.
>>54819688
there was no red pro last time i bought one
>>54819996
i have 1tb blacks in raid 0 and don't hear a thing, but i also have a very quiet case
>falling for the meme colours
If you want speed and reliability, get an enterprise drive, if you want to store your shitty animes and furryporn then just get any cheap Hitachi/Toshiba/HGST.
>>54818846
>Blue, Black, Green, Red, Purple
I'm glad seagate doesn't fuck around with this color shit.
>>54818960
Blackblaze buys external HDD's from walmart and target and takes them out of the case to use in servers.
>>54819996
I like the sound wd blacks make when they start up
>>54820270
what if I want both?
also
>recommending literally everything else
>>54820593
Seagate has numerous models too.
>>54820624
This was only done in 2011 or whenever the floods happened.
>>54819770
>because no serious enterprise would use SATA.
O'RLY
https://static.googleusercontent.com/media/research.google.com/en//archive/disk_failures.pdf
COTS hardware is best hardware.
how come the seagate hdd's at walmart only have a 1 year warranty, but the same ones at best buy have a 2 year warranty?
>>54820935
Profit margin supplying the same drive to walmart is probably lower, so they make it up with shorter warranty.
>>54820803
flood was a cover up. The hdd shortage was because the NSA was buying every hdd they could
What is /g/ opinion on LaCie?
>>54821066
seagate bought them
>>54819996
2.5 inch blacks are loud as fuck. 3.5 are not that bad.
>>54820710
Then get HGST enterprise drives you pleb.
>>54818846
>prosumertard meem color drives
disgusting
>>54821350
Most that you'll find are used and quite loud as well. Or expensive. There's nothing wrong with WD, really.
>>54818867
Get Greens and take the time to disable parking with WDIDLE3
They're ideally the same drive, with Reds having maybe one or two features that Greens don't have that ends up being negligible when it comes to perfomance
Also, read the memo--Greens are Blues now
>>54821778
Buy new ones then? If you want reliability and speed then you shouldn't be worrying about noise.
Enterprise stuff always comes with an elevated price tag. If you don't like the noise and pride tag stick with any cheap sub 7200rpm drive.
>>54818867
Red are slow and overpriced trash. I can get 2x 3tb 7200rpm toshiba drives for less than one gimped 4tb red.
>>54818846
I have a 2TB Red as my main drive. It's shit.
>>54821989
Fuck mang I couldn't imagine going back to mechanical drives as OS drive, nevermind the gimped 5400rpm or whatever those reds are.
I mainly use mine for backups.
>falling for the meme colors to build muh professhiunul geer
I love this meme
>>54822426
Do you really?
>>54823000
No.
I do love your digits however
>>54818846
None Seagate 4TBs are objectively the best HDDs on the market.
>>54823013
Well thank you very much.
>>54823049
The shitty 5400rpm ones?
>>54823049
I think you meant Non-Seagate
>>54821839
Do Greens do TLER, at least? Are they rated for 24/7?
>>54821920
They're not particularly slow and they're the only ones I had confirmed to not fuck with my specific setup.
>>54823336
Reds have TLER.
>>54818846
None of those. HGST, it's the only way to fly.
>>54823336
Whats your setup?
For the price and density they should be faster but WD makes you pay a big fuckoff premium for the red pro just for 7200rpm.
They really aren't anything fancy and I wish I got 4x4tb HGST drives than these slow shits.
>>54823376
I know, that's one of the reasons I bought them.
>>54819371
seagates had become a meme brand known for failing
They stepped it up
What's a good HDD for seeding a bunch of torrents?
>>54818868
You mean your wifes son?
>>54823396
HP DL380 G6s don't like oddly reported SMART data, they ramp the fans up to 100%. I don't think they're the best drives, but they were cheaper than the HGST 7K1000s where I got them from and I knew they wouldn't fuck anything up. They're just bulk storage for FreeNAS, I don't use mechanical drives for my ESXi datastores.
>>54823456
Any.
>>54823406
So they wouldn't give away that feature in a lower priced green drive. Reds and greens/blues are pretty much identical except TLER and maybe some firmware changes.
>>54819532
Deskstars werent even made by HGST back then.
>>54823477
>they ramp the fans up to 100%
kek good to know not only the HP microserver has fan trouble. That was fixed with a bios update though.
>>54819457
i have a 21 year old WD 512MB hard drive that still just werks
>>54823474
>wifes
>>54818846
>Buying anything colored
>Buying consumer grade ever
Enterprise or bust faggot
Step it up.
This is the dreaded seagate barracuda 7200.11.
>>54821350
Pretty sure enterprise and consumer HGST are pretty much the same with just different firmware.
I remember the HDD to get was the Samsung Spinpoint, but that was back in the olden /g/ days.
>>54823619
So, then, what is your point? You said they were identical, but they're not.
>>54823643
It's not HP's fault, as far as I can tell. Any drive that reports SMART data properly works fine, but I wasn't going to waste money and time trying to figure out which ones those were.
>>54823869
step up famalam
[spoiler]
% sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdb | grep -E "Power_On|Model|Reallo"
Model Family: Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 and 7200.7 Plus
Device Model: ST3200822AS
5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 099 099 036 Pre-fail Always - 41
9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 026 026 000 Old_age Always - 64876
[/spoiler]
>>54824081
uh, meant to do that with code blocks% sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdb | grep -E "Power_On|Model|Reallo"
Model Family: Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 and 7200.7 Plus
Device Model: ST3200822AS
5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 099 099 036 Pre-fail Always - 41
9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 026 026 000 Old_age Always - 64876
I should really get some sleep
>>54818846
>Blue
Storage
>Black
Boot drive (if not an SSD)
>Green
Deathstar-tier
>Red
NAS
>Purple
Iunno same shit
>>54823784
seriously at least give some reasoning
>>54824159
He can't.
>>54824134
>Deathstar-tier
As long as you disable head parking completely, Greens are very good for the price. Last a couple of years easily. If you have your HDD set to turn off when not used for an hour, they'll last even longer.
Purples are meant to be put in devices that do continuous writes, like security cameras. Not sure how much snake oil that is, though.
Reds are awesome for storage, basically they are half way between Greens and RE enterprise drives.
Black is worthless.
Blue is an average cheap drive for low-end systems, neither good nor bad.
>>54824043
>So, then, what is your point? You said they were identical, but they're not.
My point is reds are greens with some software tweaks and definitely not worth the price difference.
That's neat but the 7200.7 wasn't renowned for fucking dying real quick.
>>54824314
Iunno if this has changed recently but at least back in the Caviar days Greens were the lower binned, cheaper drives that failed, basically became a meme for being deathstar-tier. Maybe that's changed with the new ones but I'd much sooner buy a Blue than a Green.
>>54824367
>definitely not worth the price difference.
They become worth their weight in gold when TLER allows the drive to not drop out of your array. Thanks for playing, though. Also there are no 1TB 2.5" Greens.
I know that a few years ago someone figured out that Blacks are just Blues with a better warranty. Literally the same drive with a different sticker.
