>go to college for four years
>graduate with a bachelors degree in computer science
>total student loans = $32,000
>struggle for over a year to get a job
>finally get hired as a Jr. Java developer
>starting salary $53,000
>increases to $68,000 over a two year period of time
>today meet newly hired programmer
>community college graduate. (Associate Degree)
>no experience, graduated a week ago.
>pell grant paid for all of it, including books. no student loans
>tells me his starting salary is $61,000
>boss calls me into her office
>tells me I have to train him
this gives me hope
>>54762656
>he fell for the college scam
lmaoing at your life
Graduating CC in a year there are a few students who are actually good at programming, you may get lucky and not have to train a dumbass.
>>54762689
No one who attends a community college is intellectually capable of understanding programming.
>>54762656
Shouldn't have fallen to the /g/ CS meme.
>>54762656
who is the bigger fuck tard
you for falling for the college loan scam
or him for getting it for free
>>54762701
>I paid more for the same classes, therefore I am smarter
nice meme
I can make that much money with only a two year degree?
>>54762701
Well, it's web development, https://fiddle.jshell.net/tfcoe70u/show/light/
>>54762720
you say that like it's a lot of money
>>54762656
Firstly, Community colleges give more relevant educations than a 4 year university for entry level jobs. As such CC graduates have a higher pay rate right out of college than a 4 year university. However as time goes the 4 year degree will earn more as it unlocks management and senior technical positions.
Also you probably suck at negotiating and he was good. Don't fault him because you are stupid.
In your next life go to a CC first and transfer to get a 4 year degree, it's what I did. My AS cost me about 1 grand and my BS cost me about 15 grand because I only had to do junior and senior year.
>>54762738
It's better than hard labor.
>>54762656
>mfw I'm that Pajeet
>>54762701
Codemonkeys do not need deep understanding of coding, that's why you TRAIN them, not TEACH them.
>>54762715
I am. The quality of my instruction was superior. The people who teach at community colleges are losers who can't get a real teaching position at a real college.
The notion of someone who barely studied in high school, who graduated high school with a 2.1 GPA, who wasn't even qualified to get into a four year school being considered my equal is offensive.
>>54762770
You sound just like those retards who majored in gender studies.
>>54762656
threaten to quit
>>54762770
Hey faggot, if you are smart you use a CC for your first 2 years of college because it is cheaper and it gives you a stepping stone degree in case you feel like taking a break.
Also many of my professors at my university also taught at community colleges.
The first 2 years of a university are usually taught by adjunct professors which are professors who don't even have PhDs and will have the exact same qualifications as some instructors at a CC.
>>54762770
You started off your working life with 50k in debt and now you're being forced to train your replacement.
Who's stupid now?
>>54762796
Don't threaten. Just quit. With two years experience as a Java developer, you should be making ~$90k
>>54762770
I have an associate's degree, bachelor's degree and master's degree. Shut your fucking mouth you idiot.
>>54762656
Did you do CS in the hope that you would get a job as a programmer? That's pretty sad.
Programming is like being a mechanic or plumber these days. It's a fairly specialised thing that any retard can do if they try and do the training.
>>54762827
>in silicon valley
>>54762842
Of course some mechanics install radios while others replace or modify entire drive trains.
>>54762842
My dad is a mechanic. He owns his own diesel shop repairing 18 wheelers and has 7 employees.
I know for a fact that he makes well over $200k
That's nothing, one day you WILL meet someone who got into it completely on the fact that they were the boss's shitty friend. Used to work at a mom and pop computer store that was at least attempting to get business clients, owner was smart but the dipshit he left to run it that I had to work with was flagrantly retarded.
>hippie
>macfag
>anti-government protestfag
>into new-age shit tier beliefs and never shuts up about "acquiring information" and how we should all be open to "new information" (try to remember that in a moment)
>doesn't know what an IP address is
>doesn't know the difference between router and switch
My favorite thing he did was
>kept repeating "managed switch" or "unmanaged switch"
I'm like, we need to do X on the router
>You mean the managed switch
Holy shit nigger this isn't a "managed switch" it's a router
>...That's just another word for managed switch
so fucking bad. The final straw was when he spent over 7 hours at a client whose router died trying to plug in a modem directly to a switch ("managed switch" lol), wasn't working. Called me to get over, brought a router, didn't even config its subnet and just plug it in, everything works. Fucker turns off DHCP because "it is ruining their network", and is THE MOST stingy fuck about any new information (shit tier hippie beliefs out the fucking door) I'm trying to give him
>Look we need a DHCP server and router, we have no nat, you can't configure the switch to do this. Does it make any difference that their box that died says ROUTERBOARD on it?
>He just stares at the monitor pretending I'm not talking being a stingy unapproachable fuck
>wow/10
so now you DO know how to admin a router to turn off the one feature they actually NEED... I secretly turn it back on via wi-fi, he isn't smart enough to go back and check. Client's happy.
The worst part about all this was that night he brainwashed the owner and the next day I got a lecture about being "selfish". I fucking quit on the spot.
>>54762861
Hey mate. Of course I understand that. At the same time, neither of them are engineers designing and testing new components. In turn, the engineer isn't at the cutting edge of research...
Well duh, something is wrong with you, you literally took over a year to find a job.
>>54762656
>Unqualified
Your story says a lot more about your technical skillset than it does about your "unqualified" co-workers.
You can be replaced by someone with less experience. Spend less time on 4chan. git gud.
You must have been terrible in school if you ended up at a job meant for CC graduates.
>>54762889
Where did I suggest that wouldn't be possible.
It's a great trade. I'm not putting trades down. We need these guys.
What I was saying is that I think it's time that programming was seen as a trade rather than a profession.
>>54762891
THE OWNER WASN'T SMART IF HE LET A RETARD RUN HIS SHITTY STORE
>>54762925
I didn't suggest that you suggested that it wouldn't be possible. Stop being so defensive.
>>54762918
Finally we get to the meat of this thing...
>>54762891
>>54762934
It's not what you know, it's who you know. You clearly have poor social skills.
>>54762770
This guy's straight up fucking retarded.
>>54762958
What the fuck are you talking about? I get unsolicited job offers from former bosses, my social skills are fine.
>>54762934
Excellent point. I'm assuming the hippie was possibly good at one point in time but when I was there he had most certainly given up. I would have enjoyed the opportunity at the time but when some people are given it what happens is
>Hmmm we're going to stay in business either way soooo... I guess I don't really have to try anymore
also if you lie perfectly 24/7 for years and act properly when the owner is around, it's hard for him to actually know. Either way I am most certainly quite the fuck out of there.
>>54762849
actually, in any major city
90K if not more
>>54762958
This is half the battle, to get you in the door. The other half comes from you and at some point you actually have to have some form of skill or talent.
>>54762891
you just described a series of activities that my 14 year old nephew does for free
>>54763005
no you don't. you just have to get others to do your work for you while you and the boss go to the strip club during lunch.
>that's how I got promoted.
>>54762656
I know guys who quit uni in the second year and went working. They are rich bastards now
>>54762656
>drop out of highschool
>get factory job
>study computer programming independently while getting high as fuck on every mind altering substance imaginable.
>quit factory job for support engineer role at $55,00
>Get promoted to $70k role writing code in less than 2 years
I have no degree and literally dropped out in my freshman year in highschool.
OP, like 50% of any job is soft skills
>>54762656
No college degree...make 75k a year...top out at 82k...have pension and 401k...my children's college is covered..
Have awesome medical (the best motherfuckers) get shitloads of vacation time...NO STUDENT DEBTS!
American manufacturing pays fucking well.
>>54762770
>this ass hurt
>this fucking stupid
>Projecting
>yelling
>couldn't find a job, probably shit personality
>Complains on /g/
Literally kill yourself
>>54762770
>computer science
I love how he is so proud of himself
I work with a web developer that only knows basic HTML and CSS. He makes around $90,000 per year because of seniority. He is essentially paid to keep WordPress running.
>>54763125
how does either child afford college?
at 75K you can barely afford a new car
>>54763346
We live in the land of parents who buy cars for their dumbfuck children just for not flunking highschool.
>>54763346
>this nigga doesn't know how to budget
6k a month is plenty to live on anywhere except the largest cities.
>>54763355
>tfw my parents bought me a new car after I dropped out of highschool
>>54763372
oh, you live in a trailer home
>boss
>her
what did you expect
>>54763355
Actually, my parents paid for part of my college, which runs about 60K a year. I bought the car myself, used.
>>54763394
30% of 6k a month is $2,000. Are you really telling me you can't find a decent house for 2k a month? The average family net is 50-60k in the US. He's doing fine.
>>54763384
>tfw I use public transportation and constantly have to listen to idiots bitching about traffic and parking and insurance
>tfw I set up a portable wifi hotspot with my phone and use my laptop on the bus while a professional driver takes me to/from work
>tfw I can learn new things or play games while most idiots are raging about traffic and forced to stare at the road
>tfw public transportation is far cheaper and a more productive use of my time
>>54763346
>>54763372
>>54763125
why do I have to say this every time?
>huge city: $2,000 a month will barely afford the most shitty, one room nothing apartment
>country nowhere: $2,000 a month will get you a large house
>>54763394
Lmao, okay Mr.richguy 6k a month is more than enough to live in a nice 3b2b while paying for college. Been doing it on less for years.
>>54763414
Not him, but my studio apartment costs $1,100
>>54763418
2k will buy you a 4-5 bedroom house in the suburbs of any city. Who the hell wants to raise a family in the city?
>>54763417
>UNASHAMED BUS RIDER
Good on you for riding the bus buddy. Less traffic at night for me to rip skids.
>>54763418
the thing with "living in the country" is you wind up with shitty healthcare, shitty services rendered by the dumbest people in the state, shitty access to cultural events, and just a lot of stupid people
i mean, if that's your thing, fine, but a lot of people move to the city to avoid the mud-racing, drink while snowmobiling crowd
>>54762656
>needing bachelors degree to support legacy java servlets
>>54763421
you make 72K after taxes and healthcare insurance?
>>54763430
All apartments start out at 900-1000 dollars. For a few hundred more you could rent a house and split it 3 ways.
>>54763444
>what are the suburbs
>>54763437
yeah, not in boston-metro burbs it wont
>>54763472
>All apartments start out at 900-1000 dollars. For a few hundred more you could rent a house and split it 3 ways.
You clearly don't understand how expensive some areas are. Houses in this area are basically all subletted for $2k+ per bedroom. The few houses that are actually for sale around here are between 600K and 1.5mil and they are old and falling apart and will require a lot of work/money to maintain
>>54763472
the cost of a 3br house in the "burbs of boston" is about 400K to 1200K
in the 1990s, my uncle's 125K home quintupled in value over ten years -- he luckily had two pensions, and had squirreled away about 600K in savings, otherwise he wouldn't be able to afford the real estate taxes
>>54763477
>>54763504
In the Pittsburgh suburbs you can get a 4/3 house on a golf course for 300k. Get out of that shithole.
>>54763499
Get out of that shithole. 2k a bedroom is clearly not the norm, its very unlilely that that anon lives in such a place.
>>54763417
>tfw she realizes that you don't own a car
>>54763543
>tfw I live in Vancouver
>1k + a month for 1 bedroom is normal
At least asian parents don't kick you out right when you graduate
>>54763472
http://www.apartmentguide.com/apartments/North-Carolina/Greensboro/Lindley-Park-Manor/7873/
>$550 a month
>2 bedrooms
>Hardwood floors
>dishwasher
>a block from god tier arboretum
>literally no crime, can sleep soundly with car unlocked
>less than an hour away from Research Triangle Park
>>54763637
Hey Thomas.
>>54763637
>North Carolina
What good is all of that if you don't even have running water and every time you have to take a shit you have to go outside to use the outhouse?
>boss
>her office
C U C K
U
C
K
>>54762770
>The quality of my instruction was superior
>The notion of someone who barely studied in high school, who graduated high school with a 2.1 GPA, who wasn't even qualified to get into a four year school being considered my equal is offensive.
Man, you must have a fucking aneurysm over the thought that my fucking 63-year old father, who dropped out of high school makes >$100k a year as a Chief Engineer/Director of Engineering with no degree or formal teaching on the subject.
Or how my also degree-lacking older brother makes almost as much as OP just managing community youtube channels that just repost shit from other channels/facebook/vimeo/etc.
Shit, you're gonna fucking die when you learn about the millions of people who are/have been more successful than you ever will be on a fraction of the education, even in more complex fields.
>>54763679
>this guy is on a tech board and has never heard of the research triangle
It's only behind NYC and Silicon Valley for tech jobs, anon.
>>54763731
John Carmack is pretty educated but he literally taught himself rocket science. No formal education. OP must think his computer science degree is still superior.
>>54763731
>my boomer dad makes easy bank
wew lad
simply mindblowing
>>54762656
It's not really an unqualified worker story but still keks none the less about how idiotic some people can be because they get a higher position in what ever it is they are in.
>Be part of ACM at my college
>oh shit officer elections are up
>run for vice chairman and got the position
>guy who was friend at the time gets chairman position
>I'm a network engi major, this guy is a programming major
>guy turns into total douche mode and stops communicating with me about future ACM events
>ACM hosts a LAN party on campus at the end of the fall and spring semesters
>show up to LAN party with my fairly new rig core i5, gtx 960 nothing too great, but does what I need it to do.
>dick face mcgee shows up with his rig sees the evga ssc ftw 960 in my rig
>your graphics card is fucking huge, I have a 970 in mine and it's half the size of that
>oh shit what is this nigger on?
>try to explain to him its an evga card with the acx cooler and dual bios on it but he isn't having it
>tries blabing some shit about chip redesign makes smaller cards no fucking clue pretty sure he's bsing
>kinda blow him off cause I wanna have a good time with my classmates from my structured cabling class
>idiot keeps bragging about his core i7 970 machine
>lets everyone get on it to play witcher 3 which is running horribly fucking slow
>I get on it when he's not looking open up his speccy
>core i3 and 750ti
>keking internally
>decide not to call him out on his shit cause people started gathering around my computer to look at the insides
>to this day even though he is chairman of the ACM on my campus he still does not talk to me.
>>54763821
He's just bitter, lol.
>>54763911
Not funny
Gb2r
>>54763438
>When your lifters start getting noisy out of nowhere
>>54764040
Get bacon to rayquan? Okay tell that nigga It'll take me 20 minutes top.
>>54764040
Actually, it is pretty funny, the programmer was pretty much bitter anon had a better build than him that he had to lie to everyone about his build to try and be in the lime light. He'd probably fit in with the rest of the populace on this board.
>tfw I got a job that paid $91k straight out of my 3 month javascript bootcamp.
don't hate the player hate the stackoverflow
>>54764131
kek
>>54764131
I hope you're not lying anon
good job
>>54762770
>he thinks he's in a state of euphoric intelligence because he's tens of thousands of dollars in the red for what is effectively identical education
>>54762656
>$53k starting salary
Holy shit you did something wrong. I get twice that out of college without even factoring in bonus or stock.
>>54762770
Here's the thing. Unless you're in your countries top 3 universities, there is no fucking reason for you to think yourself superior intellectually than others.
There are people who couldn't give less fucks about high-school and just autopilot through it, but get a wakeup-call between high-school and university/college and start working their ass off.
The only advantage you have over those people is that you have good grades from a reputable school. On the job market, that actually counts. However, if you're in "generic college plz pay tuition" then you're in the same bunch as the community college kids when it comes to the job market.
Usually the people from reputable schools get hired by companies who send recruiters to the universities/colleges. I'm in one of the top 3 unis of my country and 70-80% of my class got hired before they were even out of uni without even trying.
If you're a shit tier pleb going to a shit tier school and have average/below average grades, what the fuck makes you think you're better than a community college student with good grades?
>>54764215
Depends where you live. You can get 6 golf courses for like $35 in Arizona or some other garbage state
probably.
>>54764242
Why the fuck would I want six golf courses?
>>54762656
You probably didn't get a single job during your time in college. A graduate without work experience is useless. I bet the community college guy had worked several jobs in his life prior to working there.
>>54764266
why not?
>>54762806
If you really were smart then you would just get a scholarship to a GOOD university like I did. I have nothing against the transfer option and know plenty of people who have done it, but those people are most definitely smart (crafty perhaps, but not smart)
>>54764288
Because it's fucking stupid and I would have to maintain them.
>>54764235
THIS
>>54764235
Top 3 is a bit excessive, I would say top 10 make sense. Its kind of stupid to discount schools Columbia and UChicago just because they aren't it the top 3. Plus the difference between the top 10 and top 3 schools in any ranking is largely arbitrary.
>>54762701
[Citation needed]
america you fucked up with your college system
t. european master race
>>54762656
>boss calls me into her office
>tells me I have to train him
even your boss knows you're a cuck
>>54764371
The "top X" is relevant to population count and university count of the country, of course.
>>54763615
I own a car, but only use it for when I need to go somewhere that takes over 30 minutes by public transport or requires more than one switch. Fuck driving in the city center. Hippies have made it unbearable.
Not him btw
>>54762656
Gtfo you butthurt cuck
>>54>>54762656
He's smarter then you, he graduated college debt free.
>>54763911
>LAN party
>people giving a fuck about each others computers
>"oh, let me see the inside!! woww, so cool!!!"
What kind of fucking nerd group do you go to UNI with. I'm in computer engineering and I bet my entire class seems like chads next to your group.
>>54764622
>go to a LAN party
>complain when people are nerds
Its like I'm on twitstagrambookapp
After 10y of work experience, 6 of it in EE
No one asks me for a degree, last time I switched jobs I got hired on the spot the morning after I sent an application.
I'm working on getting the degree part time but I also do subcontractor projects on the side cuz money and personal amusement.
Moral of the story
You are hired to get the job done
GIT GUD
>tfw useless tech illiterate neet
I'm terrified of the future.
>>54764622
that's nice anon
[spoiler]Nobody cares by the way[/spoiler]
It is fun how diferent it is in America compared to Europe:
In America smart people get accepted to expensive colleges while not so smart people go to public colleges.
In Europe, smart people get accepted in public colleges while not so smart people must pay more to have an education in a private college.
If the government wants to pay part of your education it's because you are potenially good.
I can't understand the American way. You are loosing lots of very intelligent people who may not have enough money to pay for top education.
>>54763637
Holy crap. That apartment in a neighborhood that nice would cost +$1,800 a month in San Fransisco.
>>54764971
How do you know how nice the neighborhood is?
>>54765002
Google street view. duh.
Then I googled Greensboro Arboretum and it's a gorgeous park. Paying only $550 a month to be a 30 second walk from that park, are you fucking kidding me? Hardwood floors? DISHWASHER??
I pay over $1,200 and I don't even have a dishwasher. My apartment is half that size and I live basically on the border of a ghetto.
>>54765021
Research Triangle Park, dude. Make Silicon Valley salary in a place a third of its cost of living. Seriously.
>tfw first year of a Network Admin course
>tfw not sure if I want to configure routers and fix other people's stupidity all day
Should I continue or look for a different IT field?
>>54762770
>I am
He is much smarter than you, that's why he earns more. In two years you will be fired and his salary will be in the skies.
>>54764920
>I can't understand the American way. You are loosing lots of very intelligent people who may not have enough money to pay for top education.
To be entirely fair, at least in theory the VERY smart people are supposed to be able to get different kinds of stipends(+student loans, of course), so if you're actually a genius, you can get to a top university even if you're poor.
>>54762770
>The people who teach at community colleges are losers who can't get a real teaching position at a real college.
Very ignorant thing to say. The reality is you're better off being taught by an actual professor at a CC in many cases, instead of the Grad Students and unreachable celebrity "professors" you get in many 4 year universities.
>>54762770
You only need high quality instruction if you're an inferior specimen incapable of comprehending knowledge on your own
Ergo, CC is spoonfeeding for lazy geniuses who would rather spend $5k in tuition than do serious independent research, and "proper" uni is for rich retards who can't figure out what gravity is unless an experience instructor babies them through it.
>>54765367
nope. if you're driven and social, you get top university. if you're actually a genius, it doesn't matter unless you're in a shitload of clubs at a proper school. reclusive savant? no grants or loans for you, because there's nothing on paper that bureaucrats are willing to understand and verify that proves that you're worth anything according to their narrow legally defined concept of "worth".
Lol op is a fucking idiot.
Also.
>cs
Enjoy your bottom of the barrel degree
>>54765475
I did say in theory. I have no idea how well it actually works, seeing as I'm European.
>>54765498
It works like it always has. It's liberal arts education, not trade school, so there's only one kind of "genius" they want enough to give a free ride. A social, passionate man that would take management over trades, not a technical autist that wants to design hardware at NASA.
>>54762770
>Be me
>Barely graduated through high school
>Opt not to go into debt getting a useless degree and wasting 4 years like all of my other peers
>Do security work 35,000k/yr full time for a few years
>Apply for law enforcement position
>Get in
>After 3 years
>85,000-100,000/yr (depending on OT)
>In my off time make youtube channel/videos
>Channel makes me an extra 20,000/yr subscriber base is building
No university degree, no university debt. Before I even had a good job I owned a fucking sports 35,000$ sports car at 22 while my peers were slaving away studying for exams.
God I'm glad I never fell into the University meme of shit tons of debt for some useless piece of paper that proves nothing. I'm glad that guy is making more than your elitist entitled ass. Enjoy your debt and shitty pay.
>>54762656
should have gone to school for computational erection analysis
>>54763437
My retarded gf, we pay 1800 a mo for a single bedroom apt in a 'city', and not even one of the major ones.
>>54765653
>misses out on the literal best days of his life
>becomes a filthy piggy
>thinks he made it
ayy lmao
>>54762656
>tfw not a single day in college and making 55k starting as a network admin
>>54765736
>he thinks college is where true friends and nice bonds are made
>the guy is making a killing in life so he's jelly
guess what the guy actually made it you mongoloid
ayyy lmao to you nigga
>>54762746
This.
I didn't even go into a tech-related field. I studied to be a high school teacher.
Going to CC for two years really helped me save a lot of money and when I got my bachelors I didn't have to worry about any debt.
My salary may not be amazing (~$57k a year) but since I have no debt to pay off I get by great on it.
>>54767710
This bullshit 4chan 57k is the average salary is so stupid. About 85% of jobs pays less than that, actually go on indeed or pay scale once and just browse the salaries and averages but 4chan acts like there is a 100K average, its retarded.
>>54763518
>Pittsburgh
Just no
>>54763637
That's rare these days. Didn't know it was that cheap in NC.
>>54764535
Topkek
>>54763465
>Falling for the health care scam
Enjoy being rejected payment for your kidney transplant because your condition existed before you accepted the policy
Hey OP, I'm getting a $15/hr part-time internship through my community college that's guaranteed to turn into a full-time position after I'm out, I get tuition reimbursement for my Bacehlor's, and I built up a 4.0 entirely on a Pell Grant.
I got the internship because the company says community college CS students are better at actual work than autistic 4-year-only students.
>>54767977
Oh, and how does it feel knowing that a guy who misspelled "Bachelor's" is getting paid more than you starting?
>>54762656
Community Colleges are better at teaching you workplace skills and graduate schools are better at teaching you how to teach. Hahaha
>>54762891
It will only get worse as multifunction appliances increase on the market.
>>54762958
I second this
>>54763092
Well, at least you could teach yourself. Some people have difficulty teaching themselves due to having been programmed to sit in a class.
>>54765736
>Asshurt 14 year old detected
>>54762656
Thanks, this really gives me hope to watch all the newboston's videos ;^)
>I'm in planning on joining the military for a few years
>I'll be able to get my associates degree for free for my first couple years
>They'll also train me for free in the tech field I'm studying
>I'll have a degree and experience when I leave
>The GI bill will also pay me money to to back to college to get my bachelor's for FREE
>Plus I'll get to travel and see the world for free
OP is a fucking moron
>>54768095
I hope you get killed by an IED.
>>54763834
i honestly don't get what it is with these younger people and blaming the boomers for everything, take responsibility once for you inability to do anything. ffs.
>>54762770
>I am. The quality of my instruction was superior.
Irrelevant, if you're stupid you stay stupid regardless of the quality of your teachers.
>The notion of someone who barely studied in high school, who graduated high school with a 2.1 GPA, who wasn't even qualified to get into a four year school being considered my equal is offensive.
Has more truth in it, but maybe he was an underachiever in HS or you simply memorized more while you're still as stupid as him.
Memorizing shit in HS isn't really an achievement.
Parallely getting a degree only means you have the will to get through it, not that you necessarily know jack shit about your field.
>(btw this is guy's post is a 2/10 bait ladies and gentlemen and we fell for it)
>>54768116
>Comms usually don't go into combat
>>54767917
It's like that in many places in the south.
Hell, here in Marietta, GA, you can get nice 2-4 bedroom apartments between $500-1000. These are apartments near malls and other stores for easy access with bus routes. Not to mentions many businesses.
>>54768305
they deploy signal with everyone else and 9 times out of 10 you are expected to be a good infantry pick up your niggerstick and die for israel whenever possible
letter me preface this post by saying I am of average intelligence, and I make up for this by being exceptionally lazy.
therefore I did not do well in high school, chiefly due to ignoring homework assignments. As such, and with my financial position, an associates degree from a "totally not a community college but we don't do bachelor's programs" school is my primary option at the moment, because I dont want to have to move, take out loans, or change jobs.
I'm trying to get into their Sonography program because fuck it why not, but supposedly it's competitive and since my transcript is mediocre, I may not get in.
trouble is, their other programs are sparce, I could choose Engineering technology(what even is this, I have never heard of it but apparently it's CAD and other jobs where you are making shit with technology but not actually doing engineering),
Information Technology, which I assume would put me in a position to not get a job that 30,000,000 other Fuckers with that same degree have
Health Information Technology, which apparently is the same shit but even more mindless and pays more.
or take a fucking business degree or some shit, but I won't ask about that on /g/
is IT as barren as I think it is?, should I find another school and just say fuck my job and find another as needed?
>>54769128
>letter me
great job autocorrect, thanks for either proving my point about being lazy, or making me look like a dumbass. I guess both are equally true.
>>54762656
ask for a raise?
>>54762770
>He doesn't realize that there are community colleges with University-equivalent tech programs
Nice ignorance. He deserves to be your boss. Let us know when you're fired for being insufferable, fat, neckbearded, and socially retarded.
>>54769176
This. speak to your boss about your concerns. be respectful, be assertive, cite your reasons
>I have a higher degreend
>I have more experience
>I have been with this company longer
>you are asking me to perform leadership tasks, even if it is only training
>I deserve to be above his pay track
don't be a bitch
>>54767890
>He doesn't know that some states are better for work than others
You seem upset, Clem. Maybe you ought to try looking for work outside West Virginia.
>>54768163
>Im ignorant and everyone else is just dumb haha!
>>54769329
>DESERVE
Never use this with you boss ever. I work in management and the second I hear "I deserve something" the first word that comes to mind is entitled. You bring forward record of your achievements and contributions to the company as proof of your dedication and investment into your workplace. If you even mention deserving something you will be shut down so fast your head will spin.
>>54769578
fair enough, do you just not bring up your peers salaries that were disclosed voluntarily? That's one of the oldest ways employers use to fuck over employees. Not saying it's super common or always justified but if a worker feels they are not treated equitably they should be able to at least address it.
>>54768749
>living in ga
pass
>>54762701
I can teach myself that shit at home. Its not that complicated my friend.
>>54763372
6K a month where I live will allow you to buy a huge house in a nice area and still have loads of cash left over
>>54765653
What is the channel?
>>54768095
you forgot the part where you piss away 4 years of your life.
>>54770031
might as well not pay for it
>>54762720
I make that much money with no degree.
>>54763019
>This is what McDonalds managers actually believe
>>54762770
kek. I got a 3.9 GPA at a community college, almost completed the degree before I got accepted to the University of Texas. I got into McCombs and finished with a 3.7 at UT, and even got my CC degree by transferring the credit back as I took the classes at uni.
The level of scholarship among my CC professors was outstanding, as many of them actually got degrees in things BESIDES teaching. They actually liked what they taught.
Some of us don't have regrets because our experiences were what we made of them. Just because you went to community college in the fucking hills doesn't mean anything.
>>54762770
>mfw many people come from universities to my community college to learn hands-on programming because it's known for being very good
>mfw I have several projects in my portfolio because of this including a blood sugar calculator with tons of functionality and a battleship game that communicates with a server so you can battle AI or other players
>mfw you couldn't be more wrong
>>54764266
>>54764288
>>54764300
>playing the white man's sport
>not playing superior pooloo baseball
>>54770145
My community college faculty seems to be made up of people who did actual work before more or less retiring early and taking on a teaching job.
>>54770031
So college? But I get paid, then end up in a better position than most people who went to college? I'll even apply to be stationed in Japan or Germany, that way I get paid to travel the world, without debt.
>>54762656
>>54762770
This thread made me chuckle.
>>54770347
you get paid shit and you'll blow all the money because you're retarded.
military can be useful but when you pick a MOS that transfers to a civilian job not pissing away 4 years to get free college.
>>54769824
keep telling yourself that.
>>54762770
>le superior gentlemen
Elliot, pls
>>54764044
>>54763438
My 2000 Cavalier lost compression the other day, I tore the head off and sent it to get machined, they ended up telling me that I should just get a new head, anyone wanna see how bad the block is because the previous owner used water instead of fucking coolant?
>>54770913
You do know that there's water in your coolant right?
>>54762925
>What I was saying is that I think it's time that programming was seen as a trade rather than a profession.
I've always thought programming is more of a trade and less of a "science". I have no idea why people think it requires 4-10 years of study under a mentor like being a doctor, literally anyone can do it given the proper resources and time.
>>54771061
>waiter I ordered the stew, this is only a bowl of carrots
>you do know carrots are an ingredient of the stew right?
>>54764731
why do you have a picture of a closeup of an ugly nigger's face saved on your hard drive anon?
>>54770622
Somebody seems a bit Asshurt
>>54771061
No shit? Its also not normal water, its distilled water, if you mix your own and you dont use distilled your not very smart, the impurities in the water is what made such a mess of my head, the cylinder head is all aluminium, but the block is cast iron, therefore when the impurities got hot they dug little pits all over the water jets of my cylinder head, and now the inside of the block is a mess as well, although because its iron its not that bad and can be cleaned up.
>>54763834
>implying I'm american
Dollar figures because american board. Literally don't understand why other bits/europoors still post shit in their local money when it's a fucking american site and board.
>>54771304
I'm English, stop posting in my language.
for all of you who haven't been to college who are in programing, IT, or anything really and make decent money, how do you stand out when applying to these jobs? particularly how do you find your first job in these fields when every job I can find "requires associates/bachelor's degree and/or experience"
>>54762994
True, I make $105k in Portland doing web /mobile dev. No college degree, I just self-studied and took any job I could get. After a year at some shithole and using LinkedIn like Tinder, I had recruiters sucking my uneducated fat cock.
Suck it, CS fag. You paid too much to feel as arrogant as you are.
>>54762701
>>54770638
lol what? >>54769824 is absolutely right. I dont even think you know what it means to be in university. autodidacticism is the biggest part of university. going to lectures is not even mandatory where i live. if you wanna pass university you need to learn/study for YOURSELF. You go to the exams: if you pass, you got your bachelor, if you fail, you fucked up. and teaching yourself to code is no big fucking deal. read some book on syntax/techniques and apply it and youre done
>listen to my parents telling me i should study and go to college wasting 5-6 years from my life living in poverty for a college degree
>2 years studying
>fuck up and leave out 2 semesters
>work while I paused the while thing
>realize /g/ was right all along
>the whole system is a meme and your degree won't matter shit
>confused whether I should finish college now
>tfw i should not have listened to my parents but how would i know what should i do when i was 18
>>54771815
Rip
>>54762656
Kek. What shit college did you go to? I earned 78K directly out of college, and was making $27.50/hour at my freshman internship.
>>54762656
Sounds like you're more butthurt than anything.
>>54763637
>Greensboro
>no crime
Your state is infested with niggers and Mexicans
>>54764654
and how exactly do you show how skilled you are using your CV?
apart from years of work + qualifications, there's nothing an HR department would find interesting
>>54771815
Your degree does matter, depending on the field you're trying to get into. That said, not everyone is cut for college.
>going to 7k/year uni
honestly, even if it is a meme, I would pay 7k for a place to simply live and eat.
>>54762770
I had a Harvard professor teach my writing 101 class in community college and he was suck a fucking prick he would fail everyone. One girl walked up to his desk during class and started crying. The final was a 20 page essay on hamlet. You had to come up with a idea /thesis to discuss regarding hamlet and write a 20 page paper and use like 6 sources. I didn't even hand the final in, he gave me a D-.
>>54762656
git gud scrub
Just train him bad. How hard is that?
>be me
>left school at 16
>spend time at home on computer doing nothing
>get job in office as a temp due to fast typing ability
>get some internal moves
>get transferred to another continent for 5 years
>then another for 5 more
>come home. 200k Base
No education. No student debts.
No mortgage.
Currently 32 years old.
>>54762656
>>tells me I have to train him
I hope I will never have to train a developer.
>>54771194
not as much as you will be when you get a dishonorable discharge for being a retard.
>>54773747
then you woke up.
>>54763437
you clearly don't live anywhere near New York
>>54763430
What state?
>>54773834
Afraid not my man. I've done London, New York, Hong Kong. All from growing up in a shit type town in the south of England.
>>54773875
>hurr durr in [insert large city], it cost an outrageous amount to live so the vast majority of the country's cost of living is irrelevant
Do us all a favor and stay there. Take Shillary and Drumpf back too, we don't want them.
>>54774445
You're the one who said "ANY city", idiot.
>>54774586
>living in NYC
>calling anyone else an idiot
>>54774640
But muh street gyros
>>54762656
>not knowing how to negotiate for a salary
wew
>>54773816
Oh really now, Okay
>>54762656
Welcome to Capitalism.
Sucker.
>>54762656
Dear diary,
OP was blown out so hard today I giggled.
>>54762770
>Go to CC because it's cheaper and the smaller classes mean more interaction with the professors
>Take all the important/difficult classes there
>Transfer to good name University to take basket weaving in c++
>Receive degree that looks great on resume without going in debt
Plebs
>>54762669
same
>>54762656
OP- you got scammed into a teaching job, there are so many job offers at startups for using the latest hipster functional programming langauges and frameworks, and the tip off to these job ads is that they want you to get everyone at the startup 'up to speed' on these latest technologies. So basically they are going to use you to teach people who can barely do fizzbuzz in javascript how to use cutting edge programming techniques. In your case you are going to teach some clueless kids from junior college how to program at CS level, once you do that they will fire you and continue to pay shit wages. Your career will continue to flatline because you havent learned anything new or built anything worthwhile so you will never get a chance to work with people who are at the same level you are. have fun being stuck at dead end coding jobs and always making $60k a year or less
>tfw burgers dare to complain about their salaries even though they earn 10 times as much and have everything cheaper
>>54762656
>be a retard
>do the bare min. in my classes
>struggle to find a job because I'm a retard with no projects/experience/internships to show.
>complain when new guy smarter than me is better than me even though he had a harder life.
How do you guys fuck up so hard on easy mode? No wonder you guys complain about pajeet so much
>>54762704
>CS
people are still falling for that meme ?
jesus guys.
tfw comfy ES job.
>>54765653
does pretending something you're not make you feel better anon ?
dont worry. you'll leave that basement someday, your parents wont like a 220kg rotting body that much.
>>54762891
Dude stop working at the geek squad. Configuring a router and shit doesn't make you smart.
>born to college educated hispanic parents
>father is electrical engineer, mother is a college administrator
>solid upper middle class life in good Chicago suburb
>save up tons of money for me to go to college
>senior year of high school
>apply for every hispanic scholarship I can get my hands on
>end up graduating debt free from UIUC
>get a cushy SE job making just over $100,000/year
>one year post college, I've been living extremely comfortably and already have 15k in savings
Hell yeah, life is good motherfuckers.
>>54765653
link the channel
>>54776899
ES?
>>54762656
>college dropout, never finished 12th grade, too lazy
>drinking, parting, fucking all the time
>did some quite not so legal jobs
>always been a techie since a boy
>friends mom works in a school, needing a IT guy
>get hired without any previous experience, because *cough* *cough*
>making 1600€ a month in a country where a pack of smokes costs 2.70€
>actually rarely going in for "work", mostly just installing powerpoint and projectors
>latter make a linkedin page, sisters husband works at a big IT corp
>get all kinds of recommendations on linkedin, even fake shit from people that I've worked at big projects
>and actually good at my job
>mfw
>mfw uneducated 26 year old
>3rd world country
>only jobs are bilingual call centers that pay less than 3k USD a year
>shy, consider myself bad at school and math but still not dumb
>still have always loved computer related stuff and have played around with shit like programming and linux as a teenager but never really self taught myself much
>have a shitton of money saved up because live with parents.
What the fuck can I even do?
Should I go to collage and get a bachelors degree or just a 3 year one?
>>54778063
Get educated in something simple-ish yet in demand so that can get yourself one of those shitty work visas that companies in the US are using to provide cheap ass wages, work on becoming a citizen from there.
Welding seems to be the go to meme job right now it seems but electricians are pretty stable.
>>54778245
Don't you need to have a steady hand for welding?
>>54778291
I have a friend who did a welding course and he's a bit of a sperg, so not particularily unless you have parkinsons or something.
>>54778340
Just looked at welding jobs in my country
All require absurds amounts of experience and the top one pays 750 USD per month.
This doesn't look safe.
Would it be really bad to go to collage? Is it really too late at 26y/o?
>>54778368
Well the suggestion sort of pended on getting a work visa to a country where
A:Not much experience is needed.
B:It has first world regulations and pay
C:And there's a large demand for it
If that's not an option then college is probably your best bet, it's never too late to go but it does get harder the longer you wait.
>>54762689
I am studying IT engineering now, did a CC-like program previously (outside of US) and I have to say even though I was good at programming compared to most people in my program, I only had a surface level understanding of the work, as a technician, now halfway through my studies I have learned a lot more about software design and architecture, business concerns and project management. I don't think a fresh graduate in the situation I was would be worth anywhere near 61k (depends on the region though I guess), and I probably wouldn't trust them to make any design choices beyond simple implementation for a project.
>>54778433
Gotta half agree with >>54762701 though, most people in my program were retarded and dropped out between when they figured out computer science isn't funtimes and video games, and linux/c++/data structures classes.
>>54778413
Well I live in Mexico, 1 hour drive to Texas and I have a visa so that work visa thing is a possibility, problem is that if that is somehow not achievable for whatever reason.
I'm toast and wasted more time.
Why does it get harder?
money wise I could cover it completley by myself so there woudln't be any debt.
>>54762656
>work up from dish bitch to Sous Chef in five years
>constant stream of mostly talentless, unmotivated chumps who just want a paycheck
>occasional 19 year old know it all that plagiarizes online recipes and acts like billy badass while ruining everything they touch
The life of a high end chef is essentially competing with ~40000 other people to make $12 an hour. When you get to ~2000 people you're salaried at $35k a year.
Fast food is in every sense the better career option.
>>54778474
Well it does depend on what you choose to go into but the two main reasons for it getting harder to go to school later in life are not remembering certain skills and diminished ability to learn, languages for example are a bitch to learn later in life.
>>54778529
Is it really plagiarism if they're freely available online
>>54777446
I'm assuming Environmental Sciences
>>54778781
Wanting to hang in the big leagues but having no sense of taste or creativity of your own is a mortal sin. Can't trust those people to do anything unsupervised.
>>54778474
Ya te vi cabeza de vaca.
>live with parents in northwest georgia
>graduate highschool
>work some shitty warehouse job for $10/hour
>save cash
>buy nice used car for $8k
>went to CC for software engineering
>got a job for $55k/yr as jr java codemonkey
>still live with parents
>blow shit tons of cash
>still manage to save up $35k over 2 years (could've easily save $45k)
>get promoted to $65k/year
>waited until the county auctioned off tax delinquent houses
>check all the potential houses for liens
>several come back clean
>buy house at auction that is worth $120k in small suburb for $25k
>wait one year for grace period to expire
>(for those of you who don't know, the original owner has one year to pay the county the delinquent taxes in full and if they do I get all my money back plus interest so I had nothing to lose)
>buy brand new car for $30k, sell old car for $6k
So I'm 23 now and I own my own house, property, and a brand new car.
Everything I need is a 5 minute drive away and I live in a relatively small town.
Utilities are cheap. My power bill is about $160 a month, water/trash/sewage is all $35 and I spend about $20 a week on gas. Internet is $60 a month from Comcast buy my town is going to get fiber soon so I'm going to give Comcast the middle finger soon.
I have no kids and I have so much excess cash left over at the end of the month that I just toss it all in savings and my 401k. I literally just pay bills, buy food and I spend maybe $50 a week on entertainment. I could lose my job and literally live off my savings comfortably for years.
But I won't let that happen and my boss has told me he personally thinks I'd do great in management but I'd need a bachelor's to even get started so I plan on going back to college and getting a bachelor's which, if I estimate right, should bump me up to $80-95k a year giving me even more excess cash to toss into savings and my 401k.
What liberal shitholes do you people live in?
>Majored in math
>Only Child
>Going to inherit 2 million dollars
>Parents don't care if I ever work
>I don't care if I ever get a job
>Studying what I like and not comparing my status in society based on salary or position
>Very good looking, not a virgin (But sex is mostly a waste of time anyway)
Life's good
>>54778943
Nice job anon, keep living the American dream
>>54778943
>CC for software engineering
doubt you can legally call yourself an engineer without doing a real (university) program...
then again every retard brogrammer in the US calls themselves an engineer
>>54779007
"An engineer is a practitioner of engineering, concerned with applying scientific knowledge, mathematics, and ingenuity to develop solutions for technical, social and commercial problems."
Which is exactly what I do.
You generally don't need a legal certificate to be an engineer, especially most kinds of software engineering roles.
>>54779068
Alright, seems like you can call yourself an engineer but not a professional engineer. Over here you legally cannot call yourself an engineer without an professional engineering degree but you still get "engineering" positions filled by technicians so I assumed it was the same in the US.
>>54778971
Two million ain't enough to live as a NEET for the rest of your life.
>>54778943
>buy house at auction that is worth $120k in small suburb for $25k
>buy brand new car for $30k, sell old car for $6k
You paid more for your car than your house? Bullshit.
>>54779113
The only software engineering related positions off the top of my head that I can think of that require legal papers to work are positions related to medicine and finance.
Other positions in the field of engineering that require papers would be again in medicine and finance, but also in things like structural engineering and so on. Basically anything where a human life or shit tons of money are at stake.
And even then you don't have to go to college to get them, you can literally just pay the company for the test, take the test, pass and have your certificate sent to you.
You'd be surprised how many people get cushy jobs over here by simply building a portfolio and honing their skills in their free time.
Hint: Employers look for skill and past projects, your education rarely plays a role for positions lower than management, hence the OP. The only difference is you have to seek the information yourself instead of having your professor spoon feed you. I didn't discover this until after I graduated CC but I still plan on getting a bachelor's anyway to please HR and move up the chain.
Hell my cousin became a freelance web developer and all he had was a GED and he is also making bank running his own business playing with meme frameworks.
>>54776848
lel
