When do you get an i7 over an i5? It seems like gaming is fine on 4 year old intel processors. I'm talking about things like encoding.
The CPU doesn't really make much of a difference for vidya. You don't need an i7. Invest that money in a better GPU for better gaming performance.
>>54727390
Do you experience the placebo effect and have money to burn?
If you answered yes, buy an i7.
If you answered no, buy an i5 and enjoy the lower cost and greater thermal efficiency.
>>54727499
well I'm just talking about what it excels at like a xeon for example? would it be better at encoding than an i7. (an old xeon not the super expensive ones)
Depends on the game, but as long as you have single threaded perfoformace plus multi threded the i7 would be better, example the i7 4790K.
>>54727390
Will you be streaming/recording your gameplay?
>yes
i7
>no
i5
>>54727390
Google it faggot.
>>54727390
i7's are just more comfy. You can have a crapload of things running at once and it all still feels responsive.
Dual Xeon with 8 cores or more is even better.
>>54727520
kek didn't read the post description. ya definitely 4790k. idk if they still sell the 4770k.
>>54727390
For encoding you would benefit from the i7 as more cores matter (hyper threading too).
As for gaming you may as well have the i5 as the i7 does not give you many benefits to be justified for the preferred choice.
If you were to go for an i7 it is worth going for a low tier i7 hex core (current gen or next gen to come very soon ideally) as that would beat down the consumer level i5 (4 cores only, no multi-threading) and quad core (with 2 threads per core) i7 CPU.
Best encoders are the Xeon CPU equivalents of the i7 and even an older hex core Xeon CPU tends to perform encoding much better in most cases than a new generation i7 hex core CPU.
Best that you get the CPU that suits your needs the most. If you are just a gamer an i5 will do in most cases.
Gaming and multi-media editing and you would probably want an i7. How far you go with a i7 or may be a Xeon comes down to how far you would want to pursue a hobby or project and what you can afford.
hyperthreading is just marketing trash
i3 is what you get when you have no money.
i5 is what you get when you can't make use of hyperthreading.
i7 is what you get when you can make use of hyperthreading.
If you're just a lost /v/irgin then get i5. If you plan to use your PC as a workstation, get an i7.
The difference between quad core i5 and i7 is negligible. Intel should either call all their quad cores i5, or rename their 6+ core high end desktop processors to i9
>>54727390
i7 is so cheap right now I see no reason to go with the cuck option.
>>54727390
What about an fx8350?
I've heard it's great for encoding thanks to 8 integer units.
I5 6400, or fx 8350?
theres no reason to buy an i7 for gaming.
unless you want to spend extra money for 1-5 extra frames.
you buy i7s for for work
>>54727812
Why do that when they make LGA 1150 and 1151 Xeons?
>>54727615
dual xeon 2670's sounds comfy as fuck but why are all of the mobo's so expensive?
>>54727390
>anything other than an i5 for gaming
Morons, all of you. An i5 does everything, literally everything you could ever want in gaymen. Consumer i7 is absolutely retarded. Why the fuck would you even need the extra threads? If I needed more cores, then I'd go with the 5820k. Not only is it in the price range of a consumer i7, but it also brings two extra cores with it. I hate all of you. Fuck reviewers. Fuck the jews.
>>54727987
They're meant for professionals and enterprise usage so the price is inflated because corporations just don't care.
$200 for a socket 2011 motherboard is a fraction of what it originally cost.
Stick to LGA 1366 more the moment. 12 cores is still extremely good.
>>54727885
I have an fx 8350 and i'm upgrading to a 6600k for gaming.
I own the 4700k
Its more then I'll ever need probably, haven't actually had anything max it yet.
Clocked @ 4.7
There's really no need for it desu senpai.
>>54728001
Oy vey shut it down, shut this thread down.
>>54727390
>When do you get an i7 over an i5?
Consumer i7? Never.
I got a i5-4690k
When should u expect to upgrade?
>>54729719
who is this fucky succubi
>>54730093
>the year of our lord 2016
Can't into google image search
>>54729719
When the way cpu's are made changes. People with 2500k still have no reason to upgrade. Cpu have basically hit a plateau in performance and newer cpu focus more on reduced heat and power draw.
>>54727390
DX12 takes advantage of hyperthreading. So going forward getting the i7 seems like the logical choice.
>>54731694
I'm thinking of doing a whole new build this year but seems like I can pair my 2500k with the new cards that come out this year and be fine
>>54732046
Yeah, gotta future proof that build.
DX12 is going to be relevant in a few years, we're not quite there yet.
It really depends on how long one should expect between upgrades, as most of the time it is less costly to have several mid end upgrades than minimal huge upgrades.
>>54727390
gaming is fine on a core 2 quad
>>54727390
>When do you get an i7 over an i5?
When you do things other than gaming.
If you do just about anything else you will see a benefit from the HT.
>>54727390
>I'm talking about things like encoding.
Hyperthreading is about 30% performance increase in best-case scenario. If spending an extra $100 for that seems like a good deal, you should probably consider getting x99 platform instead - it's only an extra $100 over 6700k to get a real hexacore once you factor in the motherboard cost.
>>54727499
>>54727517
except it does. tests have shown that you don't gain much fps from using an i7 over an i5 but they have shown you get much better frame times with an i7 over an i5.
>>54734250
Yeah but the point is the money would be better spent on a better graphics card.
If you are running an i7 without the best card for vidya, you fucked up.
>>54727770
You obviously dont know what you are talking about.
This guy does >>54727812
>>54727523
This
Ignore the poor people who hate being poor and just buy an i7 because you can.
Also you aren't rich because you can afford an i7; the people who can't afford it are just extremely poor.
For gaming an i5 is more than enough.
For encoding, get the best you can afford. Why? Because all you're saving is time. If your time isn't worth much then you can't afford much, and so time saved isn't actually so valuable.
How big of a difference is going from i5-4460 to i7-4790k?
>CPU doesnt matter for gaming meme
I was quite surprised when I watched some digitalfoundry videos and saw that an i7 6700k was like 20% faster in games than an i7 2600k. All these memesters saying "CPU doesnt matter, my i7 2600k will last another 5 years" are just plain wrong, they think it doesnt matter because they haven't been exposed to anything better. Its like someone who uses PHP, he doesnt see anything wrong with it until he uses a proper programming language like C, Java, C++, C#, etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sx1kLGVAF0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDo-j00vUtw
Expect to lose like 10-30% performance in modern AAA games like COD, Witcher, GTA, Battlefield, Far Cry. Yeah youll still get over 50 fps or so but youre gonna be bottlenecking your GPU if you have a high end one.
>>54734637
>Yeah youll still get over 50 fps
This is why we say it doesn't matter, idiot.
If you want to shoot for framerates above what your monitor can support, go wild dude.
Or get a better monitor.
>>54734637
Isn't that just because the 6700K is like 20% faster clock for clock than the 2600K?
I think what most of the memesters are saying is that if you get an i5 that is clocked the same or better than the i7 and is the same generation chip you shouldn't see lower performance, and you shouldn't.
When you compare across generations you have to start taking into account general processing performance improvements.
yes
What if the i7 is 250 dollars and the i5 is 200? Would you not throw the extra 50 in for the longevity and the e-peen status?
>>54734663
>This is why we say it doesn't matter, idiot.
Ever hear of mins? There are times when the i7 2600k drops to 40fps while the new i7s are pushing 60+. Yes its average is 50, but thats not the whole story, sometimes its 90 other times its 40.
>>54734674
>I think what most of the memesters are saying is that if you get an i5 that is clocked the same or better than the i7 and is the same generation chip you shouldn't see lower performance, and you shouldn't.
Depends on the game, but you can lose up to 10-30% or so performance by getting an i5 6600k over an i7 6700k. Seems that the hyperthreading actually matters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhaB1dqYv_I
See gta 5, that game seems to like multiple cores a lot!
why is encoding popular on /g/? i mean, why there is so many people who need to do video work so hard they're willing to spend serious money just to get their video one hour faster? it should be niche usage, what the fuck
>>54735422
It is a niche usage. Autists are just trying to justify spending a fuckton of money on things they don't even need.
>>54733622
Wew lad
Get the xeon equvialent of the i7, buy a 10$ second hand gpu if you need a backup because xeons don't have integrated graphics
>>54731694
2500k masterrace, easily the best hardware I've ever bought.
>>54727390
Xeon retard. Why are you paying for an extra graphics processor that you don't need
>>54734637
>Sandy bridge not oc'd ,5ghz higher than all the other shit they've released since
Not realistic.
>>54734250
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx7PnLAVUC8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhaB1dqYv_I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lCq8Qk9wjY
there really isn't much of a difference to justify the extra price over a i5 of the same generation,unless your running other heavy duty stuff in the back round while gaming.
Potential intel shills can go away now if any of you are reading this.
>>54736829
MUH 2500K
ITS SO GOOD RIGHT GUYS? PLEASE VALIDATE MY HARDWARE
>>54727390
have you ever done something on the computer that just took way too fucking long? do you do that thing regularly?
then get an i7
>>54727390
>hey /g/ when do you buy something that's better than something else xD
>>54727615
16 cores and 32 threads here. Managed to snag one of those asus workstation boards that allows for sli/crossfire. Comfy as fuck.
>>54727390
>i7
>gaming
kek, have fun wasting your money
I have 8 VMs up and running and I'm running out of RAM sooner than I'm running out of CPU power with by i7.
I have to run virus scans every hour just to keep my threads entertained.
>>54737134
how much did 2500k cost when it came out?
>>54737215
I got mine for 170 or so.
you don't need the i7. the i5 is sufficient for gaymen and video encoding on the CPU is a meme, all intel igpus support quicksync and nvidia/amd gaymen gpus all have their own fixed function hardware for encoding h264. maxwell even has h265 encoders.
>>54735422
they're the audiophiles of video. they think spending hours to do a CPU encode makes a difference from just encoding in a few minutes on the GPU.
>>54737248
quicksync quality isn't exactly the best, using hardware encoders like that have set defined quality.Same with GPU encoders. Using CPU for encoding can allow much greater fidelity, assuming you have the processing power.
>>54737248
But none of them can encode my heart
>>54737278
the quality is almost indistinguishable. CPU is a massive meme for encoding, at least for the typical pleb youtuber/gaymer/streamer
>>54737301
>the quality is almost indistinguishable
lololol wuuuut
quicksync was basically created for speed and NOT quality, the quality difference can be pretty drastic if you're using ivy bridge or earlier quicksync.
Haswell improved the quality a bit, but it's still not even close to what you can get with CPU encoding and proper settings.
>>54737134
Why are you so butthurt over nothing?
>>54737317
nice try chaim.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfM4esnQz7E
>>54737337
>game encoding
nigger.... i'm talking about actual encoding here. 30GB+ bluray movies at 1080p and similar.
>>54737337
>X264 preset veryfast.
>QS preset High Quality.
so he sets x264 for very fast and QS for high quality and we're shocked x264 doesn't look better?
Dumbass, of course not when you're using the very fast preset.
>>54737337
>using youtube to compare video quality
Are you serious?
>>54727390
I personally think i7s are worth it, if you're going to overclock, buy the unlocked K edition, and especially if you don't upgrade often. You don't need i7s so much for gaming most of the time, but stuff like encoding they well help dramatically. However, overall if you multitask a lot, i7s will be beneficial as you have the extra hyperthreaded cores to take some of the workload. If you even do a handful of things that could benefit from extra cores, go for it.
Honestly the cost is not that great between high end i5 and i7, so go for the i7 unless you're really on a budget.
>>54737370
>30GB+ bluray movies at 1080p and similar.
bluray is already encoded as h264 on the disk. transcoding it would only lose quality, even if you used the exact same settings as the source did.
>>54737447
Undervolted mine to about 1.08V and it's running 44 degrees at 80% load with an NZXT x61 Kraken
Feels good man
>>54737448
Oh boy we're dealing with a retard here.
A bluray is compressed from source, BUT it is VERY good quality and not particularly lossy. When you put a bluray in your computer you can copy the entire contents of the disk UNCOMPRESSED in an M2TS file format, this file you can then take an re-encode using your CPU, you can even clean up some of the shit the post processing people left in (film grain and banding can be issues that you can resolve if you know how).
Encoding a bluray can be transparent (or as close to it as possible) and can even be better than the source if they did shit encoding in the first place.
You obviously know SOME stuff, but you've also obviously never done any serious encoding yourself.
>>54737448
>madVR can't improve the quality of the source material
>>54737559
>you can even clean up some of the shit the post processing people left in (film grain...
kill yourself
it is because of plebs like you that most blurays have ridiculous filtering
>>54737624
Riiiiight.
Well I'll just continue doing HDB encodes on my own senpai, you do you. Just know quicksync quality is far inferior to a real CPU encoding process with someone who knows what the fuck they're doing in control of the encoding settings.
>>54737193
interesting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b-01q09bLU
>>54734694
>Stock clock
>>54727390
I just want something primary for gaming. I do use some editing software in my spare time, but I want to gun for better framerate. Right now, I'm using an i5-2300 and I'm trying to figure out what's the best CPU to replace it.
>>54738545
just get thee 6700k
>>54738545
>I do use some editing software
5820k.
>spare time
i5 6600k.
>>54738710
5820k or 6700k? is the 2 cores worth it?
>>54738740
They're basically the same price, if you're considering something at that price the 5820k is the only thing that makes sense really.
If you have a microcenter nearby you'd be even more of a retard to go with the 6700k.
>>54738740
2 cores will of course be worth it for multiple core applications. Consumer i7 is retarded.
>>54727524
>le streaming, rendering and le recording
Fuck off back to lereddit.
I'm building a budget PC to use just for next year before college and want to know what CPU would be better for medium gaming and watching movies
i5 - 2500k (on a strict budget so will only get a $55 board for it which means no over clocking )
i5 - 4460
i3 - 6100
i3 - 4170
ZEN
E
N
>>54738893
Buy a i3-6100. That way you can either upgrade to a much better i5 down the line and use your i3 for a back-up gaming rig or NAS or give the CPU build away to a relative for the least impact on your wallet.
>>54738893
For value, get an i3. For "better" get 4460. 2500k is a beast, but it isn't going to beat a haswell i5 without overclocking.
An i7 in the ~$300-400 price range will give you about 25-30% more performance in multithreaded tasks compared to an unlocked i5 of the same generation. Recently, i7 CPUs come with slightly higher clock speeds, but since people tend to overclock, it doesn't really matter. You also get more cache.
>>54738632
>>54738710
These CPUs support LGA 1151, while I'm using LGA 1155. In the case I want any of those CPU, I'd have to get a new mobo, right? Are there any good CPUs worth getting that use socket LGA 1155?
>>54738958
Is 2500K + motherboard for £100 a good deal?
>>54738943
Do games not run a lot better quad core though? And some do/will require quad core
>>54727390
Xeon E3 1231, essentially an i7 (4 cores & hyperthreading), but no OC'ing, and for the price of a 4690k.
>>54738994
Intel likes to move to new sockets all the time. 2011-v3 doesn't look like it's going away anytime soon with Broadwell-E on the horizon.
>>54739021
Four threads, not cores. An i3 will run those games just fine, albeit with somewhat of a performance hit in certain games that uses all four threads. It's a good hold-over CPU until you can stop being poor and upgrade to a somewhat decent system.
Don't pair it with anything stronger than an R9 390/GTX 970 and you're all set.
Or if you want lulz, buy a 4K monitor and pair two R9 390X, Furys, Nanos, or GTX 980s together and run 4K medium to low settings. Most of the work is offloaded to your GPU, so your i3 won't take much of the work.
>>54739057
>2011-v3 doesn't look like it's going away anytime soon with Broadwell-E on the horizon.
Yup, I wouldnt be surprised if skylake made it into 2011-v3 before updating the socket again.
Meaning a 5820k or 6800k now will be able to have a drop in 10+ core broadwell-e/skylake CPU in 4-5 years (if you want)
>>54739057
>still using X99 chipset
Please Allah, why did they have to reuse that chipset?
I need more PCIe 3.0 lanes, not PCIe 2.0.
>>54739080
I can get a 2500k for much cheaper and leave it at stock and it should run most games, also I have DDR3 ram and I've heard i3 kinda ruins that
>>54739192
You clearly want a 2500K so just buy it and stop asking us
>>54739173
X99 already has 8 PCIe 2.0 lanes on the chipset plus another minimum 28 3.0 lanes on the CPU.
If you need more lanes then get a 5930k or 5960x with 16 more 3.0 lanes.
Give me an example of why or how you would need more.
>>54727390
>no money
i3
>gaming
i5
>work station
Xeon
>rich bitch daddy has $$$
i7 extreme ultra gaming performance
>>54739223
>two port SFP+ 10Gbit NIC (PCIe 3.0 x8)
8
>two Titan Blacks (PCIe 3.0 x16 each)
32+8
That's 40 lanes right there. I still need to use a PCIe SSDs, but I'm now limited to PCIe 2.0 bandwidth for a x4 OCZ PCIe SSD.
>>54739214
Thanks! I'll buy a 2500K
>>54739264
You're retarded if you're running that on a single socket board in the first place to be honest with you. Anyone needing that many PCI devices should be using dual socket xeon with ECC memory anyway. Especially if you're doing any sort of RAID.
>>54739173
They didn't. Haswell-E uses different chipset from Ivy-e despite both being 2011 socket.
>>54739292
He knows ivy-e was X79, he is saying why are they using X99 again for broadwell-e (since it was introduced with haswell-e as you pointed out)
>>54739288
No don't do it
Is an I7 worth it if I like to have 50+ tabs open while seeding and gayming?
>>54741013
Too late desu
>pick up recent core i3 from ebay
>overclock it
>runs as well as a core i7 in games
ayyyyyy
SKip the intro but this whole video pretty much puts xeons on suicide watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2Kr_yjQiDU
>>54727390
i think the extra 4 threads on the i7 is generally equal to having one extra core in things like encoding. just what i've heard anyway
>>54734265
this, I cringe when i see a i7 paired with a 970
I don't really know much about all that shit
But I simply bought a xeom e3-1230v3 4 years ago
And everything still works perfectly fine
Rendering videos for youtube or webms is fast enough, too
So as far as I understand the only difference is xeon doesn't have integrated gpu so you need a graphics card but it's cheaper than i5\i7
Sound useless to me, you will get a graphics card anyways so xeon is good enough
Or am I missing something
I'm just confused because I never read about xeon, but always muh i7
>>54741854
They still sell motherboards with external clocks so you can overclock locked CPUs.
>>54742269
e3-1230 v3 came out 3 years ago. And the e3-1230 specifically has gotten talked about quite a bit. It just can't be overclocked, and 3 years ago the majority of games could barely use 4 threads let alone 8, so lots of people ignored it. And new xeons apparently work in consumer-grade motherboards at all, so they're no longer as attractive option, since most of the savings you might've gotten will have to be spent on a more expensive MOBO.
>tfw 2500k (another memer I know) but legitimately thinking of 'upgrading' to a 2600k/2700k
i don't know why. i just want a new cpu but can't afford a new mobo as well
>>54741980
>have 970
>could have bought an i5 4460 + matx mobo
>chose to buy an used i7 3770 + itx mobo with more features for cheaper
"no"
Still on the fence it doesn't seem like the 5820k is worth it considering that the 6700k has less tdp and holds up with it. 14nm is no bullshit
>>54742556
>holds up with it.
only in single threaded performance
once you find something that can use the extra cores the 5820k destroys a 6700k by 20-30%.
>>54742556
5930K was at 6700K price last black friday.
>>54742556
The 5820k is also almost 50% faster, if you can saturate all the threads.
>>54742556
>has less tdp
the 6700k has 1.75B transistor and the 5820k has 2.6B transistors, no shit it has a lower TDP.
>>54742449
fuck, I didn't specify. I meant an i7 6700K or an i7 4770K paired with shitshow 4GB -0.5
>>54742574
Nice figures you pulled out your ass. Post benchmarks or fuck right off.
I want to stream games at 720p 60FPS.
I have a 4670k, it will stream at 720p60 easily using maybe 40% of the CPU.
It allows me to play low intensity games, but I cant play new games.
I have spent the day setting up my old Q9300 to be the dedicated capture card and stream computer.
It doesnt quite have the power to do it. I can stream at 720 30, with lots of artifacts at a lowbitrate.
What do you think would be the cheapest CPU to do it, used or not?
>>54742984
a dedicated gpu you fucking retard. jesus christ
>>54727390
I built a low-end using AMD x4 860k black. Never understood why I should buy intel. I only got a gtx 950 and I'm happy. When should I use Intel over Amd? I don't see any problems with my Amd and Intel costs about 3 times as much over here.
>>54743289
What are you talking about?
My main PC has a GTX 780 in it, streaming from it while gaming is causes a CPU bottleneck in games.
To run my main PC at full power, you use a second computer to capture and stream from, and that requires very little GPU power.
Im just looking for the cheapest CPU suitable to build around, as my core2 quad just isnt quite powerful enough.
>>54743396
a 780ti won't play new games at ultra settings anymore fyi, you should check your current hardware because i have seen people stream triple a games with less horsepower than this. Check nothing's faulty and then I'd suggest getting a used xeon if possible or upgrading to 1080 when possible
>>54743438
Im kind of dumbfounded by this post, honestly.
>on one hand try to tell me that my rig cant run games at high settings
>in the same sentence telling me people can stream the same games with lower specced machines
>then try to tell me that a very clear CPU bottleneck when I am streaming vs when I am just playing without OBS rendering and a browser open is probably faulty hardware.
>then tell me to upgrade my main rig when I have made it clear I am going to build a second rig to handle the streaming.
I mean you clearly dont understand the concept of having a dedicated streaming machine, because the large majority of streamers do it for a reason.
I guess its my own fault for posting in a shitposting thread.
>>54727390
I use it for Blender physics processing and running servers, but that's about it.
>>54743740
Yeah, I make very complicated posts. I didn't read your original post correctly, if you need a good LGA 775 CPU you can get xeons dirt cheap,
When you play unoptimized games :(
Fallout 4 was the only reason why I upgraded from an i5 3570K and R9 290X.
>>54743367
You're missing out, man. You're on a dead socket and will start feeling the pace of technology by the end of 2017. Zen or Kaby Lake will be a huge leap for you.
>>54727390
They are basically the same processor, but one as hyper-threading enabled.
The i5 should fit you for encoding, if anything get a GPU and an encoder with OpenCL or CUDA support, if you get a card 100 dollars more expensive instead of the i7 you will see better performance for that workflow.
An i7 is not cost effective, and honestly if the work you are doing is not feasible with a modern i5 it is also not feasible with an i7.
>>54727390
I bought an i7 3770k in 2012 so my PC will be future proof.
Turns out an i5 2500k would have been enough.
>>54744788
if you'd asked literally anyone remotely paying attention to the CPU market in 2012 if you should upgrade they'd have told you to shut the fuck up and not be retarded. It's not our fault you obviously didn't seek advice before your purchase.
>>54744812
I had a Core2Quad Q8400 before that, and I didn't say I regret it.
My train of thought was that when the new consoles come 8 core support in games will go through the roof.
I didn't really expect the "next gen" to be THAT weak.
Also it's not like it's 100% useless. Some games and programs actually use all 8 threats.
>>54743767
>Blender
>Not industry standard Maya or objectively superior MODO
